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"England are through! Yay! "Very mature. Pat yourself on the back  | |||
"England are through! Yay!
Very mature. Pat yourself on the back "Well there were more interesting things happening tonight for those with a life. Or maybe I just posted in the wrong thread | |||
"England are through! Yay!
Very mature. Pat yourself on the back
Well there were more interesting things happening tonight for those with a life. Or maybe I just posted in the wrong thread "More interesting than the long term prosperity of your country? | |||
"England are through! Yay!
Very mature. Pat yourself on the back
Well there were more interesting things happening tonight for those with a life. Or maybe I just posted in the wrong thread
More interesting than the long term prosperity of your country?"What’s my country? | |||
"England are through! Yay!
Very mature. Pat yourself on the back
Well there were more interesting things happening tonight for those with a life. Or maybe I just posted in the wrong thread
More interesting than the long term prosperity of your country?
What’s my country?"Germany, 1938? | |||
"England are through! Yay!
Very mature. Pat yourself on the back
Well there were more interesting things happening tonight for those with a life. Or maybe I just posted in the wrong thread
More interesting than the long term prosperity of your country?
What’s my country?
Germany, 1938?"Scotland? | |||
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"England are through! Yay!
Very mature. Pat yourself on the back
Well there were more interesting things happening tonight for those with a life. Or maybe I just posted in the wrong thread
More interesting than the long term prosperity of your country?
What’s my country?
Germany, 1938?
Scotland?"Wait with the EU it's Belgium. It would be a political dilemma England Vs Belgium. The sun and the daily mail will have a ball game. | |||
"England are through! Yay!
Very mature. Pat yourself on the back
Well there were more interesting things happening tonight for those with a life. Or maybe I just posted in the wrong thread
More interesting than the long term prosperity of your country?
What’s my country?
Germany, 1938?"Well watching the football for a couple of hours was more interesting than digging up obscure reports and posting them on a swingers website to be read by about 3 people. My country is England, the origin of the greatest game ever invented which has brought prosperity and standing to this country and many poor countries around the world because football is more than just a game, it is a multi billion dollar business with multinationals and world leaders flocking to endorse it, FIFA is one of the largest and richest organisations in the world with more members, and probably more influence, than the United Nations. So with success in the World Cup comes great reward and future influence. Stock markets rise and fall on the results of games. But it is more than that. It heals divisions in divided societies and brings people from all walks of life together. It brings countries and cultures together in a shared love of the ‘religion’ of football. It is a power for good around the world. It is far more important and Interesting for the future of my country than some trade speculation report. So put down your pc and pick up your England flag if you are interested in the future prosperity of your country | |||
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"Come on hen pls tell us all all 24 million who tuned in to support our team how football was the loser?" Come on now, it was two hours of a farce masquerading as a football game. The ref lost control early, which didn't help, and both sides played ugly, ugly football. If there was a way for both teams to lose and put Japan back in, I'd have taken it. But sure, focus on the awful football and not the oncoming catastrofuck. | |||
"England are through! Yay!
Very mature. Pat yourself on the back
Well there were more interesting things happening tonight for those with a life. Or maybe I just posted in the wrong thread
More interesting than the long term prosperity of your country?
What’s my country?
Germany, 1938?
Well watching the football for a couple of hours was more interesting than digging up obscure reports and posting them on a swingers website to be read by about 3 people.
My country is England, the origin of the greatest game ever invented which has brought prosperity and standing to this country and many poor countries around the world because football is more than just a game, it is a multi billion dollar business with multinationals and world leaders flocking to endorse it, FIFA is one of the largest and richest organisations in the world with more members, and probably more influence, than the United Nations. So with success in the World Cup comes great reward and future influence. Stock markets rise and fall on the results of games. But it is more than that. It heals divisions in divided societies and brings people from all walks of life together. It brings countries and cultures together in a shared love of the ‘religion’ of football. It is a power for good around the world.
It is far more important and Interesting for the future of my country than some trade speculation report.
So put down your pc and pick up your England flag if you are interested in the future prosperity of your country "All hail the tax dodging multinational sport business faith | |||
"Come on hen pls tell us all all 24 million who tuned in to support our team how football was the loser? Come on now, it was two hours of a farce masquerading as a football game. The ref lost control early, which didn't help, and both sides played ugly, ugly football. If there was a way for both teams to lose and put Japan back in, I'd have taken it. But sure, focus on the awful football and not the oncoming catastrofuck." I’m sure you would love japan to take our place in the quarter finals all you do is come on here to rip into the English you never stop anyone who read the other thread about England in the World Cup can see you you get joy from winding the English up brexit it nothing more than viagra for you | |||
"England are through! Yay! "
Yep brilliant result last night and on we go.
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"Come on hen pls tell us all all 24 million who tuned in to support our team how football was the loser? Come on now, it was two hours of a farce masquerading as a football game. The ref lost control early, which didn't help, and both sides played ugly, ugly football. If there was a way for both teams to lose and put Japan back in, I'd have taken it. But sure, focus on the awful football and not the oncoming catastrofuck." Remind us again when canada were last in a world cup | |||
"Come on hen pls tell us all all 24 million who tuned in to support our team how football was the loser? Come on now, it was two hours of a farce masquerading as a football game. The ref lost control early, which didn't help, and both sides played ugly, ugly football. If there was a way for both teams to lose and put Japan back in, I'd have taken it. But sure, focus on the awful football and not the oncoming catastrofuck. I’m sure you would love japan to take our place in the quarter finals all you do is come on here to rip into the English you never stop anyone who read the other thread about England in the World Cup can see you you get joy from winding the English up brexit it nothing more than viagra for you " The poster you quoted reminds me of the Colombia players last night, trying to wind opponents up, making digs and just generally guilty of twatish behaviour. Don't rise to it, do what the England players did last night, smile and carry on even in the face of extreme provocation, as we saw last night England triumphed in the end and Colombia didn't deserve to win after employing dirty tactics, they rightly got knocked out and frankly it was all Colombia deserved in the end. England won against Colombia and Brexiters will win against remoaners because we are leaving the EU. | |||
"Come on hen pls tell us all all 24 million who tuned in to support our team how football was the loser? Come on now, it was two hours of a farce masquerading as a football game. The ref lost control early, which didn't help, and both sides played ugly, ugly football. If there was a way for both teams to lose and put Japan back in, I'd have taken it. But sure, focus on the awful football and not the oncoming catastrofuck. Remind us again when canada were last in a world cup" I think he's Irish but Republic of Ireland are about as good as Canada in the football stakes at the moment.  | |||
"The British Chambers of Commerce, that would be the organisation that had a Vote Leave supporting Brexiter as Director General by the name of John Longworth during the EU referendum. "So you should respect the organisation then an question the government on their progress if the BCC is so worried about the lack of clarity from the government. You certainly can't try your usual trick of disregarding any organisation which airs concerns as disgruntled Remoaners. | |||
"Come on hen pls tell us all all 24 million who tuned in to support our team how football was the loser? Come on now, it was two hours of a farce masquerading as a football game. The ref lost control early, which didn't help, and both sides played ugly, ugly football. If there was a way for both teams to lose and put Japan back in, I'd have taken it. But sure, focus on the awful football and not the oncoming catastrofuck. I’m sure you would love japan to take our place in the quarter finals all you do is come on here to rip into the English you never stop anyone who read the other thread about England in the World Cup can see you you get joy from winding the English up brexit it nothing more than viagra for you The poster you quoted reminds me of the Colombia players last night, trying to wind opponents up, making digs and just generally guilty of twatish behaviour. Don't rise to it, do what the England players did last night, smile and carry on even in the face of extreme provocation, as we saw last night England triumphed in the end and Colombia didn't deserve to win after employing dirty tactics, they rightly got knocked out and frankly it was all Colombia deserved in the end. England won against Colombia and Brexiters will win against remoaners because we are leaving the EU. "Pot calling the kettle black?! Seriously?! | |||
"Come on hen pls tell us all all 24 million who tuned in to support our team how football was the loser? Come on now, it was two hours of a farce masquerading as a football game. The ref lost control early, which didn't help, and both sides played ugly, ugly football. If there was a way for both teams to lose and put Japan back in, I'd have taken it. But sure, focus on the awful football and not the oncoming catastrofuck. Remind us again when canada were last in a world cup I think he's Irish but Republic of Ireland are about as good as Canada in the football stakes at the moment. "Of course. Because only people from the *republic* are Irish. Those from N.I. must denounce their Irishness and change their country's name while they're at it | |||
"Come on hen pls tell us all all 24 million who tuned in to support our team how football was the loser? Come on now, it was two hours of a farce masquerading as a football game. The ref lost control early, which didn't help, and both sides played ugly, ugly football. If there was a way for both teams to lose and put Japan back in, I'd have taken it. But sure, focus on the awful football and not the oncoming catastrofuck. Remind us again when canada were last in a world cup I think he's Irish but Republic of Ireland are about as good as Canada in the football stakes at the moment. "Well, not quite, but I know that facts aren't really too important to you. Of course, other nations not being good at football isn't much of a counter argument. After all, both things can be true at the same time, Ireland (or Canada) can have not qualified AND the England - Columbia can have been one of the low points of the WC so far. They're not mutually exclusive. | |||
"England are through! Yay!
Very mature. Pat yourself on the back
Well there were more interesting things happening tonight for those with a life. Or maybe I just posted in the wrong thread
More interesting than the long term prosperity of your country?
What’s my country?
Germany, 1938?
Well watching the football for a couple of hours was more interesting than digging up obscure reports and posting them on a swingers website to be read by about 3 people.
My country is England, the origin of the greatest game ever invented which has brought prosperity and standing to this country and many poor countries around the world because football is more than just a game, it is a multi billion dollar business with multinationals and world leaders flocking to endorse it, FIFA is one of the largest and richest organisations in the world with more members, and probably more influence, than the United Nations. So with success in the World Cup comes great reward and future influence. Stock markets rise and fall on the results of games. But it is more than that. It heals divisions in divided societies and brings people from all walks of life together. It brings countries and cultures together in a shared love of the ‘religion’ of football. It is a power for good around the world.
It is far more important and Interesting for the future of my country than some trade speculation report.
So put down your pc and pick up your England flag if you are interested in the future prosperity of your country "But FIFA set laws which the FA have to follow. Sure we have preferential treatment within this, but that’s not the point. What if we don’t like the offside law. Plus, have you seen how many foreigners have come into our game ? Changing our culture and making us keep the ball on the ground. We need restrictions before it gets too many. And let me tell you, all that growth in money in the English game. There would have been more if we’d have been out of fifa. And more transfers from South America. That’s FIfA getting in the way y’know. Ignore the fact Spain seem to do well in getting them in. Surely, all things considered we should be leaving FIFA? We invented the game. So everyone will want to play with us anyway. | |||
"Come on hen pls tell us all all 24 million who tuned in to support our team how football was the loser? Come on now, it was two hours of a farce masquerading as a football game. The ref lost control early, which didn't help, and both sides played ugly, ugly football. If there was a way for both teams to lose and put Japan back in, I'd have taken it. But sure, focus on the awful football and not the oncoming catastrofuck. Remind us again when canada were last in a world cup I think he's Irish but Republic of Ireland are about as good as Canada in the football stakes at the moment.
Well, not quite, but I know that facts aren't really too important to you.
Of course, other nations not being good at football isn't much of a counter argument.
After all, both things can be true at the same time, Ireland (or Canada) can have not qualified AND the England - Columbia can have been one of the low points of the WC so far.
They're not mutually exclusive."Lol, is this your version of trying to scuff up the penalty spot when the ref isn't looking like Colombia did last night?
Won't work as I said I just smile and carry on.
You can try and wind people up all you like, really doesn't bother me, as Leave already won the referendum and we are leaving the EU in March, you've already lost, maybe that's why you appear angry and bitter on here most of the time. | |||
"Come on hen pls tell us all all 24 million who tuned in to support our team how football was the loser? Come on now, it was two hours of a farce masquerading as a football game. The ref lost control early, which didn't help, and both sides played ugly, ugly football. If there was a way for both teams to lose and put Japan back in, I'd have taken it. But sure, focus on the awful football and not the oncoming catastrofuck. Remind us again when canada were last in a world cup I think he's Irish but Republic of Ireland are about as good as Canada in the football stakes at the moment.
Of course. Because only people from the *republic* are Irish. Those from N.I. must denounce their Irishness and change their country's name while they're at it "Many people from Northern. Ireland consider themselves to be British, sorry if that bothers you. | |||
"Come on hen pls tell us all all 24 million who tuned in to support our team how football was the loser? Come on now, it was two hours of a farce masquerading as a football game. The ref lost control early, which didn't help, and both sides played ugly, ugly football. If there was a way for both teams to lose and put Japan back in, I'd have taken it. But sure, focus on the awful football and not the oncoming catastrofuck. Remind us again when canada were last in a world cup I think he's Irish but Republic of Ireland are about as good as Canada in the football stakes at the moment.
Well, not quite, but I know that facts aren't really too important to you.
Of course, other nations not being good at football isn't much of a counter argument.
After all, both things can be true at the same time, Ireland (or Canada) can have not qualified AND the England - Columbia can have been one of the low points of the WC so far.
They're not mutually exclusive.
Lol, is this your version of trying to scuff up the penalty spot when the ref isn't looking like Colombia did last night?
Won't work as I said I just smile and carry on.
You can try and wind people up all you like, really doesn't bother me, as Leave already won the referendum and we are leaving the EU in March, you've already lost, maybe that's why you appear angry and bitter on here most of the time. "If it didn't bother you, why would you bring up how poorly the Irish national side have been performing? Not very "smile and carry on" is it? | |||
"Come on hen pls tell us all all 24 million who tuned in to support our team how football was the loser? Come on now, it was two hours of a farce masquerading as a football game. The ref lost control early, which didn't help, and both sides played ugly, ugly football. If there was a way for both teams to lose and put Japan back in, I'd have taken it. But sure, focus on the awful football and not the oncoming catastrofuck. Remind us again when canada were last in a world cup I think he's Irish but Republic of Ireland are about as good as Canada in the football stakes at the moment.
Of course. Because only people from the *republic* are Irish. Those from N.I. must denounce their Irishness and change their country's name while they're at it
Many people from Northern. Ireland consider themselves to be British, sorry if that bothers you. "I consider myself to be a spatula. It doesn't make me any less human. Loopy yes, but still human. Btw, if they're British, either the Republic should revoke their citizenship entitlement or we should all be able to get it too  | |||
"Come on hen pls tell us all all 24 million who tuned in to support our team how football was the loser? Come on now, it was two hours of a farce masquerading as a football game. The ref lost control early, which didn't help, and both sides played ugly, ugly football. If there was a way for both teams to lose and put Japan back in, I'd have taken it. But sure, focus on the awful football and not the oncoming catastrofuck. Remind us again when canada were last in a world cup I think he's Irish but Republic of Ireland are about as good as Canada in the football stakes at the moment.
Of course. Because only people from the *republic* are Irish. Those from N.I. must denounce their Irishness and change their country's name while they're at it
Many people from Northern. Ireland consider themselves to be British, sorry if that bothers you.
I consider myself to be a spatula. It doesn't make me any less human. Loopy yes, but still human.
Btw, if they're British, either the Republic should revoke their citizenship entitlement or we should all be able to get it too"Ah so you're a spatula, I thought I recognised you from the Button Moon show. | |||
"England are through! Yay!
Very mature. Pat yourself on the back
Well there were more interesting things happening tonight for those with a life. Or maybe I just posted in the wrong thread
More interesting than the long term prosperity of your country?
What’s my country?
Germany, 1938?
Well watching the football for a couple of hours was more interesting than digging up obscure reports and posting them on a swingers website to be read by about 3 people.
My country is England, the origin of the greatest game ever invented which has brought prosperity and standing to this country and many poor countries around the world because football is more than just a game, it is a multi billion dollar business with multinationals and world leaders flocking to endorse it, FIFA is one of the largest and richest organisations in the world with more members, and probably more influence, than the United Nations. So with success in the World Cup comes great reward and future influence. Stock markets rise and fall on the results of games. But it is more than that. It heals divisions in divided societies and brings people from all walks of life together. It brings countries and cultures together in a shared love of the ‘religion’ of football. It is a power for good around the world.
It is far more important and Interesting for the future of my country than some trade speculation report.
So put down your pc and pick up your England flag if you are interested in the future prosperity of your country
But FIFA set laws which the FA have to follow. Sure we have preferential treatment within this, but that’s not the point. What if we don’t like the offside law.
Plus, have you seen how many foreigners have come into our game ? Changing our culture and making us keep the ball on the ground. We need restrictions before it gets too many.
And let me tell you, all that growth in money in the English game. There would have been more if we’d have been out of fifa. And more transfers from South America. That’s FIfA getting in the way y’know. Ignore the fact Spain seem to do well in getting them in.
Surely, all things considered we should be leaving FIFA? We invented the game. So everyone will want to play with us anyway. "The only thing FIFA and the EU have in common is the corruption element. Unfortunately that is what you get in large organisations. And actually there was talk of leaving FIFA but the bad apples seem to have been rooted out. It’s a pity the same cannot be said of the EU. Yet | |||
"England are through! Yay!
Very mature. Pat yourself on the back
Well there were more interesting things happening tonight for those with a life. Or maybe I just posted in the wrong thread
More interesting than the long term prosperity of your country?
What’s my country?
Germany, 1938?
Well watching the football for a couple of hours was more interesting than digging up obscure reports and posting them on a swingers website to be read by about 3 people.
My country is England, the origin of the greatest game ever invented which has brought prosperity and standing to this country and many poor countries around the world because football is more than just a game, it is a multi billion dollar business with multinationals and world leaders flocking to endorse it, FIFA is one of the largest and richest organisations in the world with more members, and probably more influence, than the United Nations. So with success in the World Cup comes great reward and future influence. Stock markets rise and fall on the results of games. But it is more than that. It heals divisions in divided societies and brings people from all walks of life together. It brings countries and cultures together in a shared love of the ‘religion’ of football. It is a power for good around the world.
It is far more important and Interesting for the future of my country than some trade speculation report.
So put down your pc and pick up your England flag if you are interested in the future prosperity of your country
But FIFA set laws which the FA have to follow. Sure we have preferential treatment within this, but that’s not the point. What if we don’t like the offside law.
Plus, have you seen how many foreigners have come into our game ? Changing our culture and making us keep the ball on the ground. We need restrictions before it gets too many.
And let me tell you, all that growth in money in the English game. There would have been more if we’d have been out of fifa. And more transfers from South America. That’s FIfA getting in the way y’know. Ignore the fact Spain seem to do well in getting them in.
Surely, all things considered we should be leaving FIFA? We invented the game. So everyone will want to play with us anyway.
The only thing FIFA and the EU have in common is the corruption element. Unfortunately that is what you get in large organisations. And actually there was talk of leaving FIFA but the bad apples seem to have been rooted out. It’s a pity the same cannot be said of the EU. Yet"Not true, perennial scrounger Nigel Farage has been cut off from his gravy train with Brexit. He'll have to find somewhere else to get paid money not to do his job. | |||
"England are through! Yay!
Very mature. Pat yourself on the back
Well there were more interesting things happening tonight for those with a life. Or maybe I just posted in the wrong thread
More interesting than the long term prosperity of your country?
What’s my country?
Germany, 1938?
Well watching the football for a couple of hours was more interesting than digging up obscure reports and posting them on a swingers website to be read by about 3 people.
My country is England, the origin of the greatest game ever invented which has brought prosperity and standing to this country and many poor countries around the world because football is more than just a game, it is a multi billion dollar business with multinationals and world leaders flocking to endorse it, FIFA is one of the largest and richest organisations in the world with more members, and probably more influence, than the United Nations. So with success in the World Cup comes great reward and future influence. Stock markets rise and fall on the results of games. But it is more than that. It heals divisions in divided societies and brings people from all walks of life together. It brings countries and cultures together in a shared love of the ‘religion’ of football. It is a power for good around the world.
It is far more important and Interesting for the future of my country than some trade speculation report.
So put down your pc and pick up your England flag if you are interested in the future prosperity of your country
But FIFA set laws which the FA have to follow. Sure we have preferential treatment within this, but that’s not the point. What if we don’t like the offside law.
Plus, have you seen how many foreigners have come into our game ? Changing our culture and making us keep the ball on the ground. We need restrictions before it gets too many.
And let me tell you, all that growth in money in the English game. There would have been more if we’d have been out of fifa. And more transfers from South America. That’s FIfA getting in the way y’know. Ignore the fact Spain seem to do well in getting them in.
Surely, all things considered we should be leaving FIFA? We invented the game. So everyone will want to play with us anyway.
The only thing FIFA and the EU have in common is the corruption element. Unfortunately that is what you get in large organisations. And actually there was talk of leaving FIFA but the bad apples seem to have been rooted out. It’s a pity the same cannot be said of the EU. Yet
Not true, perennial scrounger Nigel Farage has been cut off from his gravy train with Brexit. He'll have to find somewhere else to get paid money not to do his job."He got elected and paid to get us out of the EU. Job done
To educate yourself a little you might want to read ‘The Great European Rip Off ‘ or ‘The Great Conspiacy’. | |||
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"England are through! Yay!
Very mature. Pat yourself on the back
Well there were more interesting things happening tonight for those with a life. Or maybe I just posted in the wrong thread
More interesting than the long term prosperity of your country?
What’s my country?
Germany, 1938?
Well watching the football for a couple of hours was more interesting than digging up obscure reports and posting them on a swingers website to be read by about 3 people.
My country is England, the origin of the greatest game ever invented which has brought prosperity and standing to this country and many poor countries around the world because football is more than just a game, it is a multi billion dollar business with multinationals and world leaders flocking to endorse it, FIFA is one of the largest and richest organisations in the world with more members, and probably more influence, than the United Nations. So with success in the World Cup comes great reward and future influence. Stock markets rise and fall on the results of games. But it is more than that. It heals divisions in divided societies and brings people from all walks of life together. It brings countries and cultures together in a shared love of the ‘religion’ of football. It is a power for good around the world.
It is far more important and Interesting for the future of my country than some trade speculation report.
So put down your pc and pick up your England flag if you are interested in the future prosperity of your country
But FIFA set laws which the FA have to follow. Sure we have preferential treatment within this, but that’s not the point. What if we don’t like the offside law.
Plus, have you seen how many foreigners have come into our game ? Changing our culture and making us keep the ball on the ground. We need restrictions before it gets too many.
And let me tell you, all that growth in money in the English game. There would have been more if we’d have been out of fifa. And more transfers from South America. That’s FIfA getting in the way y’know. Ignore the fact Spain seem to do well in getting them in.
Surely, all things considered we should be leaving FIFA? We invented the game. So everyone will want to play with us anyway.
The only thing FIFA and the EU have in common is the corruption element. Unfortunately that is what you get in large organisations. And actually there was talk of leaving FIFA but the bad apples seem to have been rooted out. It’s a pity the same cannot be said of the EU. Yet
Not true, perennial scrounger Nigel Farage has been cut off from his gravy train with Brexit. He'll have to find somewhere else to get paid money not to do his job."I think his reported £7000-8000 per month EU pension will see him alright. | |||
"England are through! Yay!
Very mature. Pat yourself on the back
Well there were more interesting things happening tonight for those with a life. Or maybe I just posted in the wrong thread
More interesting than the long term prosperity of your country?
What’s my country?
Germany, 1938?
Well watching the football for a couple of hours was more interesting than digging up obscure reports and posting them on a swingers website to be read by about 3 people.
My country is England, the origin of the greatest game ever invented which has brought prosperity and standing to this country and many poor countries around the world because football is more than just a game, it is a multi billion dollar business with multinationals and world leaders flocking to endorse it, FIFA is one of the largest and richest organisations in the world with more members, and probably more influence, than the United Nations. So with success in the World Cup comes great reward and future influence. Stock markets rise and fall on the results of games. But it is more than that. It heals divisions in divided societies and brings people from all walks of life together. It brings countries and cultures together in a shared love of the ‘religion’ of football. It is a power for good around the world.
It is far more important and Interesting for the future of my country than some trade speculation report.
So put down your pc and pick up your England flag if you are interested in the future prosperity of your country
But FIFA set laws which the FA have to follow. Sure we have preferential treatment within this, but that’s not the point. What if we don’t like the offside law.
Plus, have you seen how many foreigners have come into our game ? Changing our culture and making us keep the ball on the ground. We need restrictions before it gets too many.
And let me tell you, all that growth in money in the English game. There would have been more if we’d have been out of fifa. And more transfers from South America. That’s FIfA getting in the way y’know. Ignore the fact Spain seem to do well in getting them in.
Surely, all things considered we should be leaving FIFA? We invented the game. So everyone will want to play with us anyway.
The only thing FIFA and the EU have in common is the corruption element. Unfortunately that is what you get in large organisations. And actually there was talk of leaving FIFA but the bad apples seem to have been rooted out. It’s a pity the same cannot be said of the EU. Yet
Not true, perennial scrounger Nigel Farage has been cut off from his gravy train with Brexit. He'll have to find somewhere else to get paid money not to do his job.
He got elected and paid to get us out of the EU. Job done
To educate yourself a little you might want to read ‘The Great European Rip Off ‘ or ‘The Great Conspiacy’. "Really now? And how was his inability to turn up to meetings and act the arse in European Parliament key to Cameron's decision to play chicken with the future of the country and call a referendum on EU membership. If Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon has taught us anything, being a racist rabble rouser is something you can do for free if you're motivated enough. Seems to me that Nigel got himself a cushy gig where he could be paid well to do nothing, and halfwits back home would chortle with delight at his "sticking it to the man" while in the same breath condemn the EU as a wasteful gravy train. Might be a bit put out his con actually worked - wasn't he bitching he was skint a while back. Should probably upskill.... | |||
"Sorry, ‘The Great Deception ‘ not ‘Conspiracy’. It’s early ". Ohh. Fab politics book club. I may well read this to see a different view than I’ve read before. Can I recommend all out war it’s on the run up to the reforendum. | |||
"England are through! Yay!
Very mature. Pat yourself on the back
Well there were more interesting things happening tonight for those with a life. Or maybe I just posted in the wrong thread
More interesting than the long term prosperity of your country?
What’s my country?
Germany, 1938?
Well watching the football for a couple of hours was more interesting than digging up obscure reports and posting them on a swingers website to be read by about 3 people.
My country is England, the origin of the greatest game ever invented which has brought prosperity and standing to this country and many poor countries around the world because football is more than just a game, it is a multi billion dollar business with multinationals and world leaders flocking to endorse it, FIFA is one of the largest and richest organisations in the world with more members, and probably more influence, than the United Nations. So with success in the World Cup comes great reward and future influence. Stock markets rise and fall on the results of games. But it is more than that. It heals divisions in divided societies and brings people from all walks of life together. It brings countries and cultures together in a shared love of the ‘religion’ of football. It is a power for good around the world.
It is far more important and Interesting for the future of my country than some trade speculation report.
So put down your pc and pick up your England flag if you are interested in the future prosperity of your country
But FIFA set laws which the FA have to follow. Sure we have preferential treatment within this, but that’s not the point. What if we don’t like the offside law.
Plus, have you seen how many foreigners have come into our game ? Changing our culture and making us keep the ball on the ground. We need restrictions before it gets too many.
And let me tell you, all that growth in money in the English game. There would have been more if we’d have been out of fifa. And more transfers from South America. That’s FIfA getting in the way y’know. Ignore the fact Spain seem to do well in getting them in.
Surely, all things considered we should be leaving FIFA? We invented the game. So everyone will want to play with us anyway.
The only thing FIFA and the EU have in common is the corruption element. Unfortunately that is what you get in large organisations. And actually there was talk of leaving FIFA but the bad apples seem to have been rooted out. It’s a pity the same cannot be said of the EU. Yet
Not true, perennial scrounger Nigel Farage has been cut off from his gravy train with Brexit. He'll have to find somewhere else to get paid money not to do his job.
He got elected and paid to get us out of the EU. Job done
To educate yourself a little you might want to read ‘The Great European Rip Off ‘ or ‘The Great Conspiacy’. " Plus Farage already has another job with his own radio show on LBC. | |||
"Sorry, ‘The Great Deception ‘ not ‘Conspiracy’. It’s early . Ohh. Fab politics book club. I may well read this to see a different view than I’ve read before. Can I recommend all out war it’s on the run up to the reforendum. "You always seem rather quick to reply to my posts. I noticed there was no response to ‘Bimarried’ couple on the creation of Europe thread that you started, where the husband who was educated in Europe said that Forsyth was right. Any particular reason for that? | |||
"Sorry, ‘The Great Deception ‘ not ‘Conspiracy’. It’s early . Ohh. Fab politics book club. I may well read this to see a different view than I’ve read before. Can I recommend all out war it’s on the run up to the reforendum.
You always seem rather quick to reply to my posts. I noticed there was no response to ‘Bimarried’ couple on the creation of Europe thread that you started, where the husband who was educated in Europe said that Forsyth was right. Any particular reason for that?"To be honest, there was two reasons. One it was imo a considered post without obvious logical fallacies. And I realise why I come across as a strong remainer, I’m not. My *intellectual sport* is to engage with arguments I see as weak, contradictory or lead to false conclusions. This is particularly true on statistics. Maybe it’s my academia leanings but I critique everything and always go back to source where I can. Regardless of the side. And two, my OP was for sources to help my knowledge on the journey how we got to the EU from WW2. I will admit I was a little disappointed on both sides with people providing their opinions rather than any place to go research. Which is why I genuinely meant I would go look at those books. However an article by an author carries no credibility as being “right” without being able to judge where there views are coming from. And someone who I don’t know on a forum does not add to its credibility just because they are European. | |||
"Sorry, ‘The Great Deception ‘ not ‘Conspiracy’. It’s early . Ohh. Fab politics book club. I may well read this to see a different view than I’ve read before. Can I recommend all out war it’s on the run up to the reforendum.
You always seem rather quick to reply to my posts. I noticed there was no response to ‘Bimarried’ couple on the creation of Europe thread that you started, where the husband who was educated in Europe said that Forsyth was right. Any particular reason for that?To be honest, there was two reasons. One it was imo a considered post without obvious logical fallacies. And I realise why I come across as a strong remainer, I’m not. My *intellectual sport* is to engage with arguments I see as weak, contradictory or lead to false conclusions. This is particularly true on statistics. Maybe it’s my academia leanings but I critique everything and always go back to source where I can. Regardless of the side.
And two, my OP was for sources to help my knowledge on the journey how we got to the EU from WW2. I will admit I was a little disappointed on both sides with people providing their opinions rather than any place to go research. Which is why I genuinely meant I would go look at those books. However an article by an author carries no credibility as being “right” without being able to judge where there views are coming from. And someone who I don’t know on a forum does not add to its credibility just because they are European. "Fair point and thanks for your reply. I always try to look at both sides of the argument myself and for years I was ambivalent towards the EU, but thinking yes, on the whole seems like a good idea. And then came the Euro and Tony Blair. And I questioned everything. But going back to the creation of the EU thing and the ‘elites’ desire to take away democracy from the people because they were too stupid and caused wars etc. in 1939 the free market economist Friedrich Hayek, the intellectual architect of Neo-Liberalism, called for interstate federalism in Europe to prevent voters from using democracy to interfere with the operation of the free market. And this is what has happened or is happening. You don’t think so? Understand the words of John Claude Juncker when he said “there can be no democratic choice against the European Treaties” and what that actually means | |||
"And this is what has happened or is happening. You don’t think so? Understand the words of John Claude Juncker when he said “there can be no democratic choice against the European Treaties” and what that actually means " Well, how could someone be sure of what that means, seeing as you didn't use the full quote, robbing it of it's context. "There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties, one cannot exit the euro without leaving the EU". Rather less sinister when you're not being dishonest. | |||
"And this is what has happened or is happening. You don’t think so? Understand the words of John Claude Juncker when he said “there can be no democratic choice against the European Treaties” and what that actually means Well, how could someone be sure of what that means, seeing as you didn't use the full quote, robbing it of it's context. "There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties, one cannot exit the euro without leaving the EU". Rather less sinister when you're not being dishonest." And bonus points for you, any idea what was being referred to when Jean Claude Junker made those comments? | |||
"And this is what has happened or is happening. You don’t think so? Understand the words of John Claude Juncker when he said “there can be no democratic choice against the European Treaties” and what that actually means Well, how could someone be sure of what that means, seeing as you didn't use the full quote, robbing it of it's context. "There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties, one cannot exit the euro without leaving the EU". Rather less sinister when you're not being dishonest. And bonus points for you, any idea what was being referred to when Jean Claude Junker made those comments? " Yes, the Greek people. Which make his comments even worse | |||
"And this is what has happened or is happening. You don’t think so? Understand the words of John Claude Juncker when he said “there can be no democratic choice against the European Treaties” and what that actually means Well, how could someone be sure of what that means, seeing as you didn't use the full quote, robbing it of it's context. "There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties, one cannot exit the euro without leaving the EU". Rather less sinister when you're not being dishonest. And bonus points for you, any idea what was being referred to when Jean Claude Junker made those comments? Yes, the Greek people. Which make his comments even worse " Not at all. It's a simple premise, really. If you sign up to a treaty, you cannot then pick and choose which bits you adhere to, and stay in. And you certainly don't get to use 'democracy' as a fig leaf for picking and choosing. If the terms are untenable, then you must leave. Devoid of context, you can stamp your feet and say it's nefarious, but thankfully, others will provide context where you deceitfully exclude it. | |||
"And this is what has happened or is happening. You don’t think so? Understand the words of John Claude Juncker when he said “there can be no democratic choice against the European Treaties” and what that actually means Well, how could someone be sure of what that means, seeing as you didn't use the full quote, robbing it of it's context. "There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties, one cannot exit the euro without leaving the EU". Rather less sinister when you're not being dishonest. And bonus points for you, any idea what was being referred to when Jean Claude Junker made those comments? Yes, the Greek people. Which make his comments even worse Not at all. It's a simple premise, really. If you sign up to a treaty, you cannot then pick and choose which bits you adhere to, and stay in. And you certainly don't get to use 'democracy' as a fig leaf for picking and choosing. If the terms are untenable, then you must leave. Devoid of context, you can stamp your feet and say it's nefarious, but thankfully, others will provide context where you deceitfully exclude it." So signing up to EU treaties is a bit like taking a flight and once in the air being told if you don’t like the direction we’re flying in you can always jump out and fuck you. What a sick organisation | |||
" So signing up to EU treaties is a bit like taking a flight and once in the air being told if you don’t like the direction we’re flying in you can always jump out and fuck you. What a sick organisation " If I was on a flight, and someone demanded the plane go to a different destination, I'd call that a hijack. | |||
" So signing up to EU treaties is a bit like taking a flight and once in the air being told if you don’t like the direction we’re flying in you can always jump out and fuck you. What a sick organisation If I was on a flight, and someone demanded the plane go to a different destination, I'd call that a hijack. " I’m talking about the pilot | |||
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"And this is what has happened or is happening. You don’t think so? Understand the words of John Claude Juncker when he said “there can be no democratic choice against the European Treaties” and what that actually means Well, how could someone be sure of what that means, seeing as you didn't use the full quote, robbing it of it's context. "There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties, one cannot exit the euro without leaving the EU". Rather less sinister when you're not being dishonest. And bonus points for you, any idea what was being referred to when Jean Claude Junker made those comments? Yes, the Greek people. Which make his comments even worse Not at all. It's a simple premise, really. If you sign up to a treaty, you cannot then pick and choose which bits you adhere to, and stay in. And you certainly don't get to use 'democracy' as a fig leaf for picking and choosing. If the terms are untenable, then you must leave. Devoid of context, you can stamp your feet and say it's nefarious, but thankfully, others will provide context where you deceitfully exclude it. So signing up to EU treaties is a bit like taking a flight and once in the air being told if you don’t like the direction we’re flying in you can always jump out and fuck you. What a sick organisation " Only democratically elected heads of government can sign EU treaties on behalf of their nation. Even the smallest country in the EU can veto any new treaties, and of course countries know what the previous treaties are before they join. Therefore if they don't like the treaties before they join, they don't have to join. If they don't like changes whilst they are a member, they can veto them. If they decide to leave, they can at any point. Sounds fair enough to me, and not sick in anyway. | |||
"I’m having a lost day. If a state is the pilot who / what is the EU ?" The EU is the pilot | |||
"I’m having a lost day. If a state is the pilot who / what is the EU ? The EU is the pilot " who’s Greece ? | |||
"I’m having a lost day. If a state is the pilot who / what is the EU ? The EU is the pilot who’s Greece ?" The guy who is told to jump out if he doesn’t like it. | |||
"I’m having a lost day. If a state is the pilot who / what is the EU ? The EU is the pilot who’s Greece ? The guy who is told to jump out if he doesn’t like it. " so why was Hijack comment refuted ? If you get on a plane you can’t ask it to change course just because you’ve changed your mind. | |||
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"“There can be no democratic choice against the European Treaties “ When the Greeks voted for anti austerity. So. This led to a quarter cut in hospital budgets and spending on drugs halved while rates of HIV spiked, cases of major depression doubled, suicide attempts rose by a third and the number of stillborn babies rose by 21%, 4 in 10 children were pushed into poverty and one survey estimated that 54% of Greeks had become undernourished. All in 21st century Western Europe. Yes the Greeks made a mistake signing up to the treaties but who can foresee the future? “Greece you must suffer because the project cannot be derailed” Yes the EU is a sick organisation " Yet the Greeks don't want to leave. They obviously have a better view of the EU than you. | |||
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"And this is what has happened or is happening. You don’t think so? Understand the words of John Claude Juncker when he said “there can be no democratic choice against the European Treaties” and what that actually means Well, how could someone be sure of what that means, seeing as you didn't use the full quote, robbing it of it's context. "There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties, one cannot exit the euro without leaving the EU". Rather less sinister when you're not being dishonest. And bonus points for you, any idea what was being referred to when Jean Claude Junker made those comments? Yes, the Greek people. Which make his comments even worse Not at all. It's a simple premise, really. If you sign up to a treaty, you cannot then pick and choose which bits you adhere to, and stay in. And you certainly don't get to use 'democracy' as a fig leaf for picking and choosing. If the terms are untenable, then you must leave. Devoid of context, you can stamp your feet and say it's nefarious, but thankfully, others will provide context where you deceitfully exclude it. So signing up to EU treaties is a bit like taking a flight and once in the air being told if you don’t like the direction we’re flying in you can always jump out and fuck you. What a sick organisation " Analogies are terrible, yours doubly so. | |||
"“There can be no democratic choice against the European Treaties “ " Most people have the presence of mind not to tell the same lie twice, especially after they've been caught out. | |||
" If I was on a flight, and someone demanded the plane go to a different destination, I'd call that a hijack. I’m talking about the pilot " OK, the pilot is appointed by 28 democracies and those 28, including the UK, decide where the pilot is flying to. One of the 28, having signed up to the trip, changes their mind halfway through the journey. The other 27 want to carry on to their original destination. There's the door. Hope you brought a parachute. | |||
"And this is what has happened or is happening. You don’t think so? Understand the words of John Claude Juncker when he said “there can be no democratic choice against the European Treaties” and what that actually means Well, how could someone be sure of what that means, seeing as you didn't use the full quote, robbing it of it's context. "There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties, one cannot exit the euro without leaving the EU". Rather less sinister when you're not being dishonest. And bonus points for you, any idea what was being referred to when Jean Claude Junker made those comments? Yes, the Greek people. Which make his comments even worse Not at all. It's a simple premise, really. If you sign up to a treaty, you cannot then pick and choose which bits you adhere to, and stay in. And you certainly don't get to use 'democracy' as a fig leaf for picking and choosing. If the terms are untenable, then you must leave. Devoid of context, you can stamp your feet and say it's nefarious, but thankfully, others will provide context where you deceitfully exclude it. So signing up to EU treaties is a bit like taking a flight and once in the air being told if you don’t like the direction we’re flying in you can always jump out and fuck you. What a sick organisation Only democratically elected heads of government can sign EU treaties on behalf of their nation. Even the smallest country in the EU can veto any new treaties, and of course countries know what the previous treaties are before they join. Therefore if they don't like the treaties before they join, they don't have to join. If they don't like changes whilst they are a member, they can veto them. If they decide to leave, they can at any point. Sounds fair enough to me, and not sick in anyway. " I wish I'd read this before I responded on the other thread. This is pretty much what I was talking about as well, when responding to ben's post about what the EU is,why it doesn't want to preserve what it already has, reform, etc. Even if there was *one* "ruler" behind the whole union, by not allowing for reform/evolution, he would, in effect, condemn the whole thing to extinction/dissolution. And that would kinda leave him with nothing to rule. But since the union is actually "ruled" by all its members, it's on every member state's interest for the whole "project" to succeed and prosper, therefore when/if changes/reforms/evolution is needed, either it comes about organically or through talks when certain issues do arise. That's the whole point of being in a union. Like in marriage/relationship, you cross bridges when you get to them and you achieve it through communication and compromise rather than walking off and slamming the door behind you. Unless you don't want to stay in that marriage regardless, in which case the "bridge" is the excuse and not the reason. | |||
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"Ruled by all its members? Deluded. For example, what say did it’s members have over austerity measures? As I said earlier, the EU is ruled by business and bankers or what is commonly known as The European Round Table of Industrialists (ERT) As for reform? Tinkering around the edges is not reform. It has plans for its own treasury and the creation of a fiscal union, the European Energy Union, The Digital Single Market, The Common Defence Fund, The European Education Area etc etc., more and more power and control over all our lives The EU will never repatriate or downgrade its powers to its member states because that defeats the purpose of the whole project which is to form one political entity or the United States of Europe. To that aim it cannot be reformed " Government in some shape or form already has complete control over all these aspects of your life. That ain't gonna change, whether UK is in or out. No, the question is whether it is better for nation states to pool their resources and sovereignty. A fragmented Europe with bickering neighbours pulling in different directions, or a united bloc with common goals. | |||
"Ruled by all its members? Deluded. For example, what say did it’s members have over austerity measures? As I said earlier, the EU is ruled by business and bankers or what is commonly known as The European Round Table of Industrialists (ERT) As for reform? Tinkering around the edges is not reform. It has plans for its own treasury and the creation of a fiscal union, the European Energy Union, The Digital Single Market, The Common Defence Fund, The European Education Area etc etc., more and more power and control over all our lives The EU will never repatriate or downgrade its powers to its member states because that defeats the purpose of the whole project which is to form one political entity or the United States of Europe. To that aim it cannot be reformed Government in some shape or form already has complete control over all these aspects of your life. That ain't gonna change, whether UK is in or out. No, the question is whether it is better for nation states to pool their resources and sovereignty. A fragmented Europe with bickering neighbours pulling in different directions, or a united bloc with common goals. " Ask the USSR | |||
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"Former USSR dissident Vladimir Bokovsky addressing the people of Europe - “I have lived in your future and it didn’t work”" whats the difference between the ussr and USA ? (Other than one has a crazy megalomaniac leader he’ll bunt on destruction. And the other is Russia  ololololetc) | |||
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"Ruled by all its members? Deluded. For example, what say did it’s members have over austerity measures? As I said earlier, the EU is ruled by business and bankers or what is commonly known as The European Round Table of Industrialists (ERT) As for reform? Tinkering around the edges is not reform. It has plans for its own treasury and the creation of a fiscal union, the European Energy Union, The Digital Single Market, The Common Defence Fund, The European Education Area etc etc., more and more power and control over all our lives The EU will never repatriate or downgrade its powers to its member states because that defeats the purpose of the whole project which is to form one political entity or the United States of Europe. To that aim it cannot be reformed Government in some shape or form already has complete control over all these aspects of your life. That ain't gonna change, whether UK is in or out. No, the question is whether it is better for nation states to pool their resources and sovereignty. A fragmented Europe with bickering neighbours pulling in different directions, or a united bloc with common goals. " I assume this is rhetorical? Centralisation and Standardisation would obviously improve efficiency. The type medieval nationalism you described would lead to a mob of competing 'petty kingdoms' arguing over who is in charge of which patch of mud. | |||
"Former USSR dissident Vladimir Bokovsky addressing the people of Europe - “I have lived in your future and it didn’t work”" Well he was wrong. Even if the EU became a federal superstate, it still wouldn't be any thing like the USSR as it isn't a communist dictatorship. Business and banking are it's primary interests. | |||
"Former USSR dissident Vladimir Bokovsky addressing the people of Europe - “I have lived in your future and it didn’t work”whats the difference between the ussr and USA ? (Other than one has a crazy megalomaniac leader he’ll bunt on destruction. And the other is Russia ololololetc)"Har har har | |||
"Former USSR dissident Vladimir Bokovsky addressing the people of Europe - “I have lived in your future and it didn’t work” Well he was wrong. Even if the EU became a federal superstate, it still wouldn't be any thing like the USSR as it isn't a communist dictatorship. Business and banking are it's primary interests." So not its people. At least we agree on that | |||
"Comparison with a totalitarian dictatorship is just ridiculous. The cornerstone of the EU is its adherence to the principles of a free market. Not exactly communism at work, is it? You already live in a union of states, one much more heavily centralised than anything the EU could concoct. Are you also in favour of its disintegration? Is it the USSR by another name, too?" The USSR also had a Parliament. What was the difference between that and the EU one? It is not a ridiculous comparison at all | |||
"Former USSR dissident Vladimir Bokovsky addressing the people of Europe - “I have lived in your future and it didn’t work” Well he was wrong. Even if the EU became a federal superstate, it still wouldn't be any thing like the USSR as it isn't a communist dictatorship. Business and banking are it's primary interests. So not its people. At least we agree on that " Yep. So exactly the same as every other economic system, nationstate or political system on the planet. | |||
"Ruled by all its members? Deluded. For example, what say did it’s members have over austerity measures? As I said earlier, the EU is ruled by business and bankers or what is commonly known as The European Round Table of Industrialists (ERT) As for reform? Tinkering around the edges is not reform. It has plans for its own treasury and the creation of a fiscal union, the European Energy Union, The Digital Single Market, The Common Defence Fund, The European Education Area etc etc., more and more power and control over all our lives The EU will never repatriate or downgrade its powers to its member states because that defeats the purpose of the whole project which is to form one political entity or the United States of Europe. To that aim it cannot be reformed " You say it CAN'T be reformed, in the same post as you say it IS being reformed. Which is it???? | |||
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"Continuing to build something isn’t reforming something. To reform something you would have to start from scratch, which it cannot do" reform r?'f??m/ verb 1. make changes in (something, especially an institution or practice) in order to improve it. "the Bill will reform the tax system" synonyms:improve, make better, better, ameliorate, refine, mend, rectify, correct, rehabilitate;More | |||
"Comparison with a totalitarian dictatorship is just ridiculous. The cornerstone of the EU is its adherence to the principles of a free market. Not exactly communism at work, is it? You already live in a union of states, one much more heavily centralised than anything the EU could concoct. Are you also in favour of its disintegration? Is it the USSR by another name, too? The USSR also had a Parliament. What was the difference between that and the EU one? It is not a ridiculous comparison at all " Jeeeze! Do you really need someone to explain the communist system to you? North Korea has a parliament, too. So does China. In each, the candidates are all from the same party. | |||
"Former USSR dissident Vladimir Bokovsky addressing the people of Europe - “I have lived in your future and it didn’t work” Well he was wrong. Even if the EU became a federal superstate, it still wouldn't be any thing like the USSR as it isn't a communist dictatorship. Business and banking are it's primary interests. So not its people. At least we agree on that Yep. So exactly the same as every other economic system, nationstate or political system on the planet." So the EU system and USSR system can be the same then. And Bokovsky was wrong? Well frankly, having looked at his life experiences and his CV I would take his opinion more seriously than some random guy on a swingers site forum, no offence. I imagine he was having similar arguments with brainwashed Soviets to the ones I am having with brainwashed Europhiles before they locked him up for 12 years | |||
"Comparison with a totalitarian dictatorship is just ridiculous. The cornerstone of the EU is its adherence to the principles of a free market. Not exactly communism at work, is it? You already live in a union of states, one much more heavily centralised than anything the EU could concoct. Are you also in favour of its disintegration? Is it the USSR by another name, too? The USSR also had a Parliament. What was the difference between that and the EU one? It is not a ridiculous comparison at all Jeeeze! Do you really need someone to explain the communist system to you? North Korea has a parliament, too. So does China. In each, the candidates are all from the same party." With about just as much power as the EU Parliament | |||
"Comparison with a totalitarian dictatorship is just ridiculous. The cornerstone of the EU is its adherence to the principles of a free market. Not exactly communism at work, is it? You already live in a union of states, one much more heavily centralised than anything the EU could concoct. Are you also in favour of its disintegration? Is it the USSR by another name, too? The USSR also had a Parliament. What was the difference between that and the EU one? It is not a ridiculous comparison at all Jeeeze! Do you really need someone to explain the communist system to you? North Korea has a parliament, too. So does China. In each, the candidates are all from the same party. With about just as much power as the EU Parliament " Like the European parliament's power to elect the president of the European commission, to dismiss the collision, to vote on legislation, to vote on the Brexit deal (an actual meaningful vote, like the one you don't want the BRITISH parliament to have), to vote on the EU budget, to make key appointments etc. | |||
"Continuing to build something isn’t reforming something. To reform something you would have to start from scratch, which it cannot do reform r?'f??m/ verb 1. make changes in (something, especially an institution or practice) in order to improve it. "the Bill will reform the tax system" synonyms:improve, make better, better, ameliorate, refine, mend, rectify, correct, rehabilitate;More " I see Bennie choses to simply ignore the fact the the definition of reform is not what he understood it to be! | |||
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"(...) the purpose of the whole project which is to form one political entity or the United States of Europe (...) " I have to remind you (and I already posted this on the "creation of eu" thread) that the first person to call for a "united states of Europe" was Churchill. Google "telegraph european union timeline" to see the timeline up to 2009 (the date of publication) if you want. It starts with: "1946 Winston Churchill calls for a "kind of United States of Europe" in a speech at Zurich University. 1949 France, UK and the Benelux countries decide to set in place a Council of Europe. 1950 Robert Schuman, the French Foreign Minister, proposes that France, Germany and any other European country wishing to join pool coal and steel resources. (...)." So, if anything, you have a Brit to blame for coming up with the idea 
Ben I respect your disapproval of the EU and, according to your perception, your reasons for it. It's blatantly obvious that your mind is made up and NO ONE (whether someone you fully trust or not), *no matter what* they say/prove, could convince you otherwise. I, personally, would respect that even more (not that you give a shit about *my* respect, but anyway!) if you accepted/admitted (even just to yoyrself and not necessarily publicly) some of the facts from the other side of the coin and then maintain your disapproval based on even just 1 *generally accepted* fact, which even if it sounds good in theory and/or appeals to many, it's just not for you. IMHO, that would make more sense and your argument more credible.
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"Ruled by all its members? Deluded." That is literally how it works. You're not going to achieve anything by insisting that reality is something you get to have your own version of. | |||
"(...) the purpose of the whole project which is to form one political entity or the United States of Europe (...) I have to remind you (and I already posted this on the "creation of eu" thread) that the first person to call for a "united states of Europe" was Churchill. Google "telegraph european union timeline" to see the timeline up to 2009 (the date of publication) if you want. It starts with: "1946 Winston Churchill calls for a "kind of United States of Europe" in a speech at Zurich University. 1949 France, UK and the Benelux countries decide to set in place a Council of Europe. 1950 Robert Schuman, the French Foreign Minister, proposes that France, Germany and any other European country wishing to join pool coal and steel resources. (...)." So, if anything, you have a Brit to blame for coming up with the idea
Ben I respect your disapproval of the EU and, according to your perception, your reasons for it. It's blatantly obvious that your mind is made up and NO ONE (whether someone you fully trust or not), *no matter what* they say/prove, could convince you otherwise. I, personally, would respect that even more (not that you give a shit about *my* respect, but anyway!) if you accepted/admitted (even just to yoyrself and not necessarily publicly) some of the facts from the other side of the coin and then maintain your disapproval based on even just 1 *generally accepted* fact, which even if it sounds good in theory and/or appeals to many, it's just not for you. IMHO, that would make more sense and your argument more credible.
Anyway, I'm probably talking bollocks. It's toor hot! "But just blindly screaming 'Rule Britannia!' regardless of proof, evidence, fact or logical reasoning is the go to rebuttal for all the blindly head in the sand nationalists. | |||
"Ruled by all its members? Deluded. That is literally how it works. You're not going to achieve anything by insisting that reality is something you get to have your own version of." He thinks of it as an existential other. Forgetting it was created by the members, the treaties are signed by the democratically elected heads of government of government, the commissioners come from the member states, so do the judges, so do the MEPs, etc. | |||
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"Guys, I understand it’s hard for you to accept that you’ve been conned all these years and have fallen for it. Fortunately the majority of the British voting public aren’t so gullible ". Counterpoint - a slight majority are exactly that gullible. And as demonstrated here, those who votes for brexit are incapable of expressing why they're so upset, which emboldens the idea that they're hapless rubes. | |||
"Guys, I understand it’s hard for you to accept that you’ve been conned all these years and have fallen for it. Fortunately the majority of the British voting public aren’t so gullible .
Counterpoint - a slight majority are exactly that gullible.
And as demonstrated here, those who votes for brexit are incapable of expressing why they're so upset, which emboldens the idea that they're hapless rubes."So. What is the ultimate goal of the EU? | |||
" So. What is the ultimate goal of the EU?" 
To promote peace and prosperity by improving the communications
and infrastructure between members. Same as it's always been. | |||
" So. What is the ultimate goal of the EU?
To promote peace and prosperity by improving the communications
and infrastructure between members. Same as it's always been."Peace and prosperity? lol. Yes, I’m sure the millions of unemployed Southern Europeans will consider themselves prosperous. And policies which have encouraged the rise of the far right has nothing to do with peace, quite the opposite | |||
" So. What is the ultimate goal of the EU?
To promote peace and prosperity by improving the communications
and infrastructure between members. Same as it's always been.
Peace and prosperity? lol. Yes, I’m sure the millions of unemployed Southern Europeans will consider themselves prosperous. And policies which have encouraged the rise of the far right has nothing to do with peace, quite the opposite "your argument rests in showing this is because of the Eu. And not despite of it. It’s not an easy argument to prove as we don’t know what the world would have been like without the Eu. Other than pointing to far right influences pre Eu. And areas who were suffering. | |||
" So. What is the ultimate goal of the EU?
To promote peace and prosperity by improving the communications
and infrastructure between members. Same as it's always been.
Peace and prosperity? lol. Yes, I’m sure the millions of unemployed Southern Europeans will consider themselves prosperous. And policies which have encouraged the rise of the far right has nothing to do with peace, quite the opposite "The southern European states have always had high unemployment. But at least the EU aspires to help. Your medievalists view of everybody for themselves would leave them to suffer. And as for the sick far right, well, you do seem to be the expert. And yes the EU has made Europe peaceful. There hasn't been an armed conflict between members since it started. I know you've been brainwashed by the alt-right so I'm fairly sure you won't even admit that fact is a good thing. | |||
"Guys, I understand it’s hard for you to accept that you’ve been conned all these years and have fallen for it. Fortunately the majority of the British voting public aren’t so gullible "Can't answer any questions about how the EU is driven by its members, so instead he is moving the goal posts, yet again! Classic trolling. | |||
"Come on hen pls tell us all all 24 million who tuned in to support our team how football was the loser? Come on now, it was two hours of a farce masquerading as a football game. The ref lost control early, which didn't help, and both sides played ugly, ugly football. If there was a way for both teams to lose and put Japan back in, I'd have taken it. But sure, focus on the awful football and not the oncoming catastrofuck. Remind us again when canada were last in a world cup I think he's Irish but Republic of Ireland are about as good as Canada in the football stakes at the moment.
Of course. Because only people from the *republic* are Irish. Those from N.I. must denounce their Irishness and change their country's name while they're at it
Many people from Northern. Ireland consider themselves to be British, sorry if that bothers you. "That's true, many, currently still probably most, people in Northern Ireland consider themselves British but don't confuse that with thinking that those same people think of themselves as English, Scotish or Welsh because they don't; they think of themselves as Irish and British. In the same way as they consider themselves Irish and British and a traitor to neither, many people in the rest of the UK consider themselves British patriots and European too. | |||
" So. What is the ultimate goal of the EU?
To promote peace and prosperity by improving the communications
and infrastructure between members. Same as it's always been.
Peace and prosperity? lol. Yes, I’m sure the millions of unemployed Southern Europeans will consider themselves prosperous. And policies which have encouraged the rise of the far right has nothing to do with peace, quite the opposite
The southern European states have always had high unemployment. But at least the EU aspires to help. Your medievalists view of everybody for themselves would leave them to suffer.
And as for the sick far right, well, you do seem to be the expert.
And yes the EU has made Europe peaceful. There hasn't been an armed conflict between members since it started.
I know you've been brainwashed by the alt-right so I'm fairly sure you won't even admit that fact is a good thing. "Aspires to help? How? That there hasn’t been an armed conflict between members has nothing to do with the EU. And what makes you think I am coming from the right? The biggest opponents of the EU have always come from the far left. It shows how little you understand. But I will ask again. What is the ultimate goal of the EU? | |||
" Aspires to help? How? All that money you begrudge sending to the EU. Large chunks of it are spent on large infrastructure projects in eastern and southern Europe. Some thing I am absolutely fine with. Bollox to all the Britain First selfish crap. Poorest first! That there hasn’t been an armed conflict between members has nothing to do with the EU. Yes it does. The disaster of WWII was one of the driving forces behind the founding of what became the EU. And what makes you think I am coming from the right? Your disgusting attitude to immigrants and immigration. You are the kind of gullible Brexiter who believed Benefits Street was the norm and not the rare exception. Immigrants are net contributors to the economy. And biggest opponents of the EU have always come from the far left. It shows how little you understand. Half wrong and wrong. The biggest EU opponents have been extremists of left and right and also selfish nationalists. Have proved I understand more than you think with every reasoned point I make. But I will ask again. What is the ultimate goal of the EU?" Read my previous statement. Sorry if this fact doesn't fit in with your view that it exists to purely to create some kind of evil dictatorship | |||
" Aspires to help? How? All that money you begrudge sending to the EU. Large chunks of it are spent on large infrastructure projects in eastern and southern Europe. Some thing I am absolutely fine with. Bollox to all the Britain First selfish crap. Poorest first! That there hasn’t been an armed conflict between members has nothing to do with the EU. Yes it does. The disaster of WWII was one of the driving forces behind the founding of what became the EU. And what makes you think I am coming from the right? Your disgusting attitude to immigrants and immigration. You are the kind of gullible Brexiter who believed Benefits Street was the norm and not the rare exception. Immigrants are net contributors to the economy. And biggest opponents of the EU have always come from the far left. It shows how little you understand. Half wrong and wrong. The biggest EU opponents have been extremists of left and right and also selfish nationalists. Have proved I understand more than you think with every reasoned point I make. But I will ask again. What is the ultimate goal of the EU? Read my previous statement. Sorry if this fact doesn't fit in with your view that it exists to purely to create some kind of evil dictatorship " Excuse me? Where in any post have I ever shown any attitude towards immigrants, disgusting or otherwise? You really don’t know what you are talking about. And you still can’t answer the question  | |||
" So. What is the ultimate goal of the EU?
To promote peace and prosperity by improving the communications
and infrastructure between members. Same as it's always been.
Peace and prosperity? lol. Yes, I’m sure the millions of unemployed Southern Europeans will consider themselves prosperous. And policies which have encouraged the rise of the far right has nothing to do with peace, quite the opposite
The southern European states have always had high unemployment. But at least the EU aspires to help. Your medievalists view of everybody for themselves would leave them to suffer.
And as for the sick far right, well, you do seem to be the expert.
And yes the EU has made Europe peaceful. There hasn't been an armed conflict between members since it started.
I know you've been brainwashed by the alt-right so I'm fairly sure you won't even admit that fact is a good thing.
Aspires to help? How? That there hasn’t been an armed conflict between members has nothing to do with the EU. And what makes you think I am coming from the right? The biggest opponents of the EU have always come from the far left. It shows how little you understand. But I will ask again. What is the ultimate goal of the EU?"now you’re picking and choosing what can be ascribed to the EU and what isn’t. Given the Eu was created in the aftermath of Ww2 and by your own admission was designed to stop this (albeit you claim this is via removal of the electorate) this is probably an area we should most give the Eu credit or debit for it we are to assign consequences to actions. Talking about brain washed masses with no direct evidence or points of arguments is (as I said before) the call song of the conspiracy theorist imo. Now I think you come from a background of critique and discussion, so i struggle to see why you don’t bring this to this debate. I suspect if we were talking flat earth you would be holding any advocates to a higher standard of debate than you are holding yourself on this discussion.... | |||
" Excuse me? Where in any post have I ever shown any attitude towards immigrants, disgusting or otherwise? You really don’t know what you are talking about. And you still can’t answer the question "I do apologise. I just checked back and it wasn't you that hated immigrants. I mixed you up with Leedsandy on the New Customs Arrangements thread. As regards not answering your question, yes I did. To promote peace and prosperity by improving the communications and infrastructure between members of the EU. I should also have said 'to improve trade'. Whether you agree with their methods or not, that is the answer to the question. | |||
"Guys, I understand it’s hard for you to accept that you’ve been conned all these years and have fallen for it. Fortunately the majority of the British voting public aren’t so gullible .
Counterpoint - a slight majority are exactly that gullible.
And as demonstrated here, those who votes for brexit are incapable of expressing why they're so upset, which emboldens the idea that they're hapless rubes.
So. What is the ultimate goal of the EU?"You'd be better off spending your time trying to workshop your theory that the EU cannot be reformed into something workable, instead of asking more questions you've already decided you won't accept the answers to. | |||
