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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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Yesterday Liam Fox said that the U.K. should be stepping up it’s preparations for a no deal Brexit.
Today Liam Fox said that “a no deal will be bad for Britain, but it will be bad for the EU too.” This was in his reaction to being questioned about the Airbus statement when he also said that Airbus should also be making statements that a no deal will be bad for the EU.
So - am I understanding this correctly? Liam Fox knows that a no deal will be bad for Britain but thinks that we should be stepping up preparations for it because it will also be bad for the EU?... isn’t that just more than a little bit bonkers? Shouldn’t he be promoting a concept that the U.K. steps up its preparations to do what is best for the U.K.?
I suppose this could be Fox and friends (sic) thinking that they are playing the clever game and completely outwitting the dumb foreigners in Brussels - thing is - I know that they are not that bright. I keep seeing the Sherriff in Blazing Saddles holding a gun to his own head whilst negotiating. |
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I think that some of these dangerous politicians find it hard not to show their true colours at times. There are a fair few of them in the cons party atm who would actually prefer to do anything but have a softer Brexit. Nudging the country towards an extreme Brexit is a job well done, in their opinion. Watch out for further whisperings of preparation for a hard Brexit.
Whilst it seems obvious that this will be against the UK's interest, these people are so ideologically driven that they blind themselves to this. The addictive lure for them of the filthy lucre that they and their mates will pick-up from some catastrophe here and there is coupled with their own hunger for power.
It's important that the ordinary citizens of the UK keep their eyes on what the powerful are doing and to speak up at every opportunity. |
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over a year ago
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Did airbus make statement that brexit will be bad for the UK ? Or just brexit will be bad for their uk operations ?
Tbh we probably should be preparing for a nondeal brexit as even if we can find a better deal (for both sides) this takes time. And time is running out. Although there is nothing like a ticking clock to focus minds on both sides. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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Not only that, but whatever deal we come up with has to be agreed by the other side anyway. All 27 of them. so all it takes is one member to be just as vindictive as May and friends are being and just needs to say 'no, fuck it, let them rot' and we'll go over the deadline.
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Not only that, but whatever deal we come up with has to be agreed by the other side anyway. All 27 of them. so all it takes is one member to be just as vindictive as May and friends are being and just needs to say 'no, fuck it, let them rot' and we'll go over the deadline.
-Matt"
Come on Matt, don't be silly, we are British! The whole of the EU will just bend over and take it, no lube. |
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David Cameron and George Osborne surely have to take the crown as king of the dickheads, as it was them who failed to plan for a vote to Leave in 2016. It was the height of arrogance and extreme negligence on their part. I think this government now must plan for all eventualities, however unlikely and must plan for no deal. Liam Fox is just making the case and highlighting it. |
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"Yesterday Liam Fox said that the U.K. should be stepping up it’s preparations for a no deal Brexit.
Today Liam Fox said that “a no deal will be bad for Britain, but it will be bad for the EU too.” This was in his reaction to being questioned about the Airbus statement when he also said that Airbus should also be making statements that a no deal will be bad for the EU.
(...) "
If you haven't watched it, try and find the Sophy Ridge interview on sky news from this morning. Very very interesting!
Amongst other things (and for the benefit of those who can't find/watch the Sophy Ridge interview), he said:
(when asked whether he had any assurances from the US that their current tariffs won't apply to us after we leave the EU) : "This is not a European issue and we have to try and stop viewing everything through a Brexit lens. This is a unilateral action carried out in what we believe is in breach of WTO rules. We believe in that rules-based system and we will stand up for that and for the concept of free trade and, therefore, if we are forced into the position of taking countermeasures in WTO law, then we will do so".
(When asked about trade deals with other countries around the world, after Brexit, like India for example, and whether he'd be prepared to see relaxation of the visa requirements for these countries, in return for a good trade deal) : "Movement of people is always one of the things that's considered in any trade agreement and that would be something that we would look at in a bilateral negotiation".
But what I found extraordinary, is that, when he was commenting on the airbus statement, he said : "people who are making these comments need to understand that they may be actually putting the UK into a disadvantage when it comes to our negotiations" (in responding why he wouldn't take the no-deal option off the table). I really hope he included BoJo in those "people" too, because it's a bit rich asking companies to think before speaking because they undermine our negotiations, yet a cabinet minister (a Foreign secretary no less) is doing that almost every day with his comments, interviews, threats etc!
However, he did admit that "companies are right to say that if there's no deal that won't be good for Britain" and then continued on to say that "they should be making the same case to European governments as well because a no-deal wouldn't be good for them either because of the integrated complex supply chains we have".
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"David Cameron and George Osborne surely have to take the crown as king of the dickheads, as it was them who failed to plan for a vote to Leave in 2016. It was the height of arrogance and extreme negligence on their part. I think this government now must plan for all eventualities, however unlikely and must plan for no deal. Liam Fox is just making the case and highlighting it. "
wait, two big remainers who were being pressured into agreeing a reforendum should have spent immense amount of time and effort to determine a position for what leave would have looked like. And wouldn’t it have been undermimef by the leave campaign as another part of project fear ? Or have I miss understood your point ?
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"Yesterday Liam Fox said that the U.K. should be stepping up it’s preparations for a no deal Brexit.
Today Liam Fox said that “a no deal will be bad for Britain, but it will be bad for the EU too.” This was in his reaction to being questioned about the Airbus statement when he also said that Airbus should also be making statements that a no deal will be bad for the EU.
(...)
If you haven't watched it, try and find the Sophy Ridge interview on sky news from this morning. Very very interesting!
Amongst other things (and for the benefit of those who can't find/watch the Sophy Ridge interview), he said:
(when asked whether he had any assurances from the US that their current tariffs won't apply to us after we leave the EU) : "This is not a European issue and we have to try and stop viewing everything through a Brexit lens. This is a unilateral action carried out in what we believe is in breach of WTO rules. We believe in that rules-based system and we will stand up for that and for the concept of free trade and, therefore, if we are forced into the position of taking countermeasures in WTO law, then we will do so".
(When asked about trade deals with other countries around the world, after Brexit, like India for example, and whether he'd be prepared to see relaxation of the visa requirements for these countries, in return for a good trade deal) : "Movement of people is always one of the things that's considered in any trade agreement and that would be something that we would look at in a bilateral negotiation".
But what I found extraordinary, is that, when he was commenting on the airbus statement, he said : "people who are making these comments need to understand that they may be actually putting the UK into a disadvantage when it comes to our negotiations" (in responding why he wouldn't take the no-deal option off the table). I really hope he included BoJo in those "people" too, because it's a bit rich asking companies to think before speaking because they undermine our negotiations, yet a cabinet minister (a Foreign secretary no less) is doing that almost every day with his comments, interviews, threats etc!
However, he did admit that "companies are right to say that if there's no deal that won't be good for Britain" and then continued on to say that "they should be making the same case to European governments as well because a no-deal wouldn't be good for them either because of the integrated complex supply chains we have".
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I watched Sophia Ridge and the businesses interviewed in Sheffield were confident about life after Brexit. Did you miss that? |
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"Yesterday Liam Fox said that the U.K. should be stepping up it’s preparations for a no deal Brexit.
Today Liam Fox said that “a no deal will be bad for Britain, but it will be bad for the EU too.” This was in his reaction to being questioned about the Airbus statement when he also said that Airbus should also be making statements that a no deal will be bad for the EU.
(...)
If you haven't watched it, try and find the Sophy Ridge interview on sky news from this morning. Very very interesting!
Amongst other things (and for the benefit of those who can't find/watch the Sophy Ridge interview), he said:
(when asked whether he had any assurances from the US that their current tariffs won't apply to us after we leave the EU) : "This is not a European issue and we have to try and stop viewing everything through a Brexit lens. This is a unilateral action carried out in what we believe is in breach of WTO rules. We believe in that rules-based system and we will stand up for that and for the concept of free trade and, therefore, if we are forced into the position of taking countermeasures in WTO law, then we will do so".
(When asked about trade deals with other countries around the world, after Brexit, like India for example, and whether he'd be prepared to see relaxation of the visa requirements for these countries, in return for a good trade deal) : "Movement of people is always one of the things that's considered in any trade agreement and that would be something that we would look at in a bilateral negotiation".
But what I found extraordinary, is that, when he was commenting on the airbus statement, he said : "people who are making these comments need to understand that they may be actually putting the UK into a disadvantage when it comes to our negotiations" (in responding why he wouldn't take the no-deal option off the table). I really hope he included BoJo in those "people" too, because it's a bit rich asking companies to think before speaking because they undermine our negotiations, yet a cabinet minister (a Foreign secretary no less) is doing that almost every day with his comments, interviews, threats etc!
However, he did admit that "companies are right to say that if there's no deal that won't be good for Britain" and then continued on to say that "they should be making the same case to European governments as well because a no-deal wouldn't be good for them either because of the integrated complex supply chains we have".
I watched Sophia Ridge and the businesses interviewed in Sheffield were confident about life after Brexit. Did you miss that?"
HSBC also did a survey of around 6000 UK businesses in March/April of this year and around 3 quarters of them (72%) were also confident about life after Brexit in the UK. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"David Cameron and George Osborne surely have to take the crown as king of the dickheads, as it was them who failed to plan for a vote to Leave in 2016. It was the height of arrogance and extreme negligence on their part. I think this government now must plan for all eventualities, however unlikely and must plan for no deal. Liam Fox is just making the case and highlighting it. "
Hubris. They did the same with the Scottish referendum - no contingency plan. Riding their luck. And thought it would work again. He’ll go down in history as one of the worst.
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"David Cameron and George Osborne surely have to take the crown as king of the dickheads, as it was them who failed to plan for a vote to Leave in 2016. It was the height of arrogance and extreme negligence on their part. I think this government now must plan for all eventualities, however unlikely and must plan for no deal. Liam Fox is just making the case and highlighting it.
Hubris. They did the same with the Scottish referendum - no contingency plan. Riding their luck. And thought it would work again. He’ll go down in history as one of the worst.
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For giving the people what they wanted? |
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By *athy1Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"David Cameron and George Osborne surely have to take the crown as king of the dickheads, as it was them who failed to plan for a vote to Leave in 2016. It was the height of arrogance and extreme negligence on their part. I think this government now must plan for all eventualities, however unlikely and must plan for no deal. Liam Fox is just making the case and highlighting it.
Hubris. They did the same with the Scottish referendum - no contingency plan. Riding their luck. And thought it would work again. He’ll go down in history as one of the worst.
For giving the people what they wanted? "
No for being a dickhead as the op states |
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"Yesterday Liam Fox said that the U.K. should be stepping up it’s preparations for a no deal Brexit.
Today Liam Fox said that “a no deal will be bad for Britain, but it will be bad for the EU too.” This was in his reaction to being questioned about the Airbus statement when he also said that Airbus should also be making statements that a no deal will be bad for the EU.
(...)
If you haven't watched it, try and find the Sophy Ridge interview on sky news from this morning. Very very interesting!
Amongst other things (and for the benefit of those who can't find/watch the Sophy Ridge interview), he said:
(when asked whether he had any assurances from the US that their current tariffs won't apply to us after we leave the EU) : "This is not a European issue and we have to try and stop viewing everything through a Brexit lens. This is a unilateral action carried out in what we believe is in breach of WTO rules. We believe in that rules-based system and we will stand up for that and for the concept of free trade and, therefore, if we are forced into the position of taking countermeasures in WTO law, then we will do so".
(When asked about trade deals with other countries around the world, after Brexit, like India for example, and whether he'd be prepared to see relaxation of the visa requirements for these countries, in return for a good trade deal) : "Movement of people is always one of the things that's considered in any trade agreement and that would be something that we would look at in a bilateral negotiation".
But what I found extraordinary, is that, when he was commenting on the airbus statement, he said : "people who are making these comments need to understand that they may be actually putting the UK into a disadvantage when it comes to our negotiations" (in responding why he wouldn't take the no-deal option off the table). I really hope he included BoJo in those "people" too, because it's a bit rich asking companies to think before speaking because they undermine our negotiations, yet a cabinet minister (a Foreign secretary no less) is doing that almost every day with his comments, interviews, threats etc!
However, he did admit that "companies are right to say that if there's no deal that won't be good for Britain" and then continued on to say that "they should be making the same case to European governments as well because a no-deal wouldn't be good for them either because of the integrated complex supply chains we have".
I watched Sophia Ridge and the businesses interviewed in Sheffield were confident about life after Brexit. Did you miss that?
HSBC also did a survey of around 6000 UK businesses in March/April of this year and around 3 quarters of them (72%) were also confident about life after Brexit in the UK. "
What does that have to do with Liam Fox? |
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"Yesterday Liam Fox said that the U.K. should be stepping up it’s preparations for a no deal Brexit.
Today Liam Fox said that “a no deal will be bad for Britain, but it will be bad for the EU too.” This was in his reaction to being questioned about the Airbus statement when he also said that Airbus should also be making statements that a no deal will be bad for the EU.
(...)
If you haven't watched it, try and find the Sophy Ridge interview on sky news from this morning. Very very interesting!
Amongst other things (and for the benefit of those who can't find/watch the Sophy Ridge interview), he said:
(when asked whether he had any assurances from the US that their current tariffs won't apply to us after we leave the EU) : "This is not a European issue and we have to try and stop viewing everything through a Brexit lens. This is a unilateral action carried out in what we believe is in breach of WTO rules. We believe in that rules-based system and we will stand up for that and for the concept of free trade and, therefore, if we are forced into the position of taking countermeasures in WTO law, then we will do so".
(When asked about trade deals with other countries around the world, after Brexit, like India for example, and whether he'd be prepared to see relaxation of the visa requirements for these countries, in return for a good trade deal) : "Movement of people is always one of the things that's considered in any trade agreement and that would be something that we would look at in a bilateral negotiation".
But what I found extraordinary, is that, when he was commenting on the airbus statement, he said : "people who are making these comments need to understand that they may be actually putting the UK into a disadvantage when it comes to our negotiations" (in responding why he wouldn't take the no-deal option off the table). I really hope he included BoJo in those "people" too, because it's a bit rich asking companies to think before speaking because they undermine our negotiations, yet a cabinet minister (a Foreign secretary no less) is doing that almost every day with his comments, interviews, threats etc!
However, he did admit that "companies are right to say that if there's no deal that won't be good for Britain" and then continued on to say that "they should be making the same case to European governments as well because a no-deal wouldn't be good for them either because of the integrated complex supply chains we have".
I watched Sophia Ridge and the businesses interviewed in Sheffield were confident about life after Brexit. Did you miss that?"
No, but obviously you missed the thread title. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Yesterday Liam Fox said that the U.K. should be stepping up it’s preparations for a no deal Brexit.
Today Liam Fox said that “a no deal will be bad for Britain, but it will be bad for the EU too.” This was in his reaction to being questioned about the Airbus statement when he also said that Airbus should also be making statements that a no deal will be bad for the EU.
So - am I understanding this correctly? Liam Fox knows that a no deal will be bad for Britain but thinks that we should be stepping up preparations for it because it will also be bad for the EU?... isn’t that just more than a little bit bonkers? Shouldn’t he be promoting a concept that the U.K. steps up its preparations to do what is best for the U.K.?
I suppose this could be Fox and friends (sic) thinking that they are playing the clever game and completely outwitting the dumb foreigners in Brussels - thing is - I know that they are not that bright. I keep seeing the Sherriff in Blazing Saddles holding a gun to his own head whilst negotiating."
What he is saying is covering all bases no problem with that |
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"Yesterday Liam Fox said that the U.K. should be stepping up it’s preparations for a no deal Brexit.
Today Liam Fox said that “a no deal will be bad for Britain, but it will be bad for the EU too.” This was in his reaction to being questioned about the Airbus statement when he also said that Airbus should also be making statements that a no deal will be bad for the EU.
So - am I understanding this correctly? Liam Fox knows that a no deal will be bad for Britain but thinks that we should be stepping up preparations for it because it will also be bad for the EU?... isn’t that just more than a little bit bonkers? Shouldn’t he be promoting a concept that the U.K. steps up its preparations to do what is best for the U.K.?
I suppose this could be Fox and friends (sic) thinking that they are playing the clever game and completely outwitting the dumb foreigners in Brussels - thing is - I know that they are not that bright. I keep seeing the Sherriff in Blazing Saddles holding a gun to his own head whilst negotiating.What he is saying is covering all bases no problem with that"
I think intelligent people on all sides will applaud politicians if they are only using exceptionally clever negotiating skills for the benefit of the UK electorate. Sadly, this same generosity of spirit doesn't expand to cover dickheads, especially those with ulterior motives that lie elsewhere. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"David Cameron and George Osborne surely have to take the crown as king of the dickheads, as it was them who failed to plan for a vote to Leave in 2016. It was the height of arrogance and extreme negligence on their part. I think this government now must plan for all eventualities, however unlikely and must plan for no deal. Liam Fox is just making the case and highlighting it.
Hubris. They did the same with the Scottish referendum - no contingency plan. Riding their luck. And thought it would work again. He’ll go down in history as one of the worst.
For giving the people what they wanted? "
For gambling the country's future on a yes/no vote, with absolutely no preparation for the outcome he did not want. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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The "threats" made by Fox and others to walk away with no deal . . . well, that reminds me of a cartoon where, having just shot yourself in one foot, you point the gun at the other foot and tell the EU you'll fire unless they give you what you want.
No deal is a calamity for the UK and the EU knows it.
I can't imagine even the most fervent Europhile taking any pleasure from the dislocation and disintegration that would follow.
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over a year ago
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I think big business are stepping up preparations for a no deal scenario, their planning on fucking leaving the UK.... Will the government then take the BILLIONS we'll LOSE & switch it round and champion it as a big business dividend  |
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What staggers me is that a man who resigned in disgrace from Defence because of dodgy dealings, a man who was deeply mired in the expenses scandal, has somehow managed to become a cabinet minister again. He is without doubt a liability |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I think big business are stepping up preparations for a no deal scenario, their planning on fucking leaving the UK.... Will the government then take the BILLIONS we'll LOSE & switch it round and champion it as a big business dividend "
Chickens. Home. To. Roost.
The free market ideologues take great pride in how open Britain is to foreign investment.
So much so that most of our big business is owned by foreign capital.
None of those companies give a shit about brand Britain - all that drives them is the bottom line and "shareholder value".
There is a school of thought that the extremists - the Moggs, Foxes and the like - actually want a crash-and-burn scenario.
From the ashes, they can rebuild the British economy as a deregulated sweatshop, much like Singapore.
It's a cynical view, but not without some merit. |
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"Did anyone else see the cringeworthy clip of him brown-nosing Woody Johnson on "Inside the American Embassy"? "
I watched that and was appalled at the ministers there - including the atrocious defence secretary Gavin Williamson, trying to creep back into the Ambassador's office: when the Ambassador quietly rebuffed him, he didn't have his own diplomacy not to push the issue again 
The Cabinet are atrocious. |
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"Did anyone else see the cringeworthy clip of him brown-nosing Woody Johnson on "Inside the American Embassy"?
I watched that and was appalled at the ministers there - including the atrocious defence secretary Gavin Williamson, trying to creep back into the Ambassador's office: when the Ambassador quietly rebuffed him, he didn't have his own diplomacy not to push the issue again
The Cabinet are atrocious. "
I Agree, i saw Richard Madley interview him, asking him if 'shut up and go away' was too casual and he wouldn't answer th straight forward question.
Madley terminated the interview with "what iis it with these politicians"
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