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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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A question for EU supporters -
In 2019 Juncker steps down and there are new elections for MEP’s. Now following the rise in support across Europe for far right partys/politicians it is not beyond the realms of possibility, even if the intention is simply a protest vote, that the largest party in the European Parliament could be a far right party who could then elect party member ‘Adolf’ as the next President of the EU commission.
So, do you still support the EU? And if not, what can you do about it?
And what would be the consequences for the world?
In my opinion this institution is dangerous and not fit for purpose. I’ll gladly accept any criticism for my opinion but that scenario is not as far fetched as some might think
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Jesus Christ, half the time people are complaining there is not enough democracy in the EU, now you're complaining there is too much! "
Question too tough? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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From bbc bite size on how hustler came to power.
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Hitler was a great speaker, with the power to make people support him.
The moderate political parties would not work together, although together they had more support than the Nazis.
The depression of 1929 created poverty and unemployment, which made people angry with the Weimar government. People lost confidence in the democratic system and turned towards the extremist political parties such as the Communists and Nazis during the depression.
The Nazi storm troopers attacked Hitler's opponents.
Goebbels' propaganda campaign was very effective and it won support for the Nazis. The Nazis targeted specific groups of society with different slogans and policies to win their support.
Hitler was given power in a seedy political deal by Hindenburg and Papen who foolishly thought they could control him.
German people were still angry about the Treaty of Versailles and supported Hitler because he promised to overturn it.
Industrialists gave Hitler money and support."
If we want to play straw man politics I would say the read across here is more towards UKIP and brexit than the EU... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"From bbc bite size on how hustler came to power.
Hitler was a great speaker, with the power to make people support him.
The moderate political parties would not work together, although together they had more support than the Nazis.
The depression of 1929 created poverty and unemployment, which made people angry with the Weimar government. People lost confidence in the democratic system and turned towards the extremist political parties such as the Communists and Nazis during the depression.
The Nazi storm troopers attacked Hitler's opponents.
Goebbels' propaganda campaign was very effective and it won support for the Nazis. The Nazis targeted specific groups of society with different slogans and policies to win their support.
Hitler was given power in a seedy political deal by Hindenburg and Papen who foolishly thought they could control him.
German people were still angry about the Treaty of Versailles and supported Hitler because he promised to overturn it.
Industrialists gave Hitler money and support.
If we want to play straw man politics I would say the read across here is more towards UKIP and brexit than the EU..."
I don’t get your point |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Maybe I misunderstood but you’re suggesting the Eu could be heading to the fourth reich ?
Whereas I’m saying the conditions which paved way for the third reich are more aligned to us in the uk as Eu ...
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Maybe I misunderstood but you’re suggesting the Eu could be heading to the fourth reich ?
Whereas I’m saying the conditions which paved way for the third reich are more aligned to us in the uk as Eu ...
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Really? And I’m not talking about the EU, I’m talking about the people who elect MEP’s. Have you not noticed what has happened in elections across Europe? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Right winger speaks up in warning about dangerous right wingers."
So? You going to answer the question or are you too busy swapping ideas on women and meritocracy with Donald Trump? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Yes. And I include the uk.
I’m lost tho as your original post talked about the EU ...
And the title of the thread. Despite mentioning the EU, it's now not about the EU?  "
If you can’t answer the question just say so |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes. And I include the uk.
I’m lost tho as your original post talked about the EU ...
And the title of the thread. Despite mentioning the EU, it's now not about the EU?
If you can’t answer the question just say so"
Whats the question ? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Yes. And I include the uk.
I’m lost tho as your original post talked about the EU ...
And the title of the thread. Despite mentioning the EU, it's now not about the EU?
If you can’t answer the question just say so
Whats the question ? "
If the largest party in the European Parliament is far right and the EU president is far right would you still support the EU and if not what would or could you do about it? |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"A question for EU supporters -
In 2019 Juncker steps down and there are new elections for MEP’s. Now following the rise in support across Europe for far right partys/politicians it is not beyond the realms of possibility, even if the intention is simply a protest vote, that the largest party in the European Parliament could be a far right party who could then elect party member ‘Adolf’ as the next President of the EU commission.
So, do you still support the EU? And if not, what can you do about it?
And what would be the consequences for the world?
In my opinion this institution is dangerous and not fit for purpose. I’ll gladly accept any criticism for my opinion but that scenario is not as far fetched as some might think
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes. And I include the uk.
I’m lost tho as your original post talked about the EU ...
And the title of the thread. Despite mentioning the EU, it's now not about the EU?
If you can’t answer the question just say so
Whats the question ?
If the largest party in the European Parliament is far right and the EU president is far right would you still support the EU and if not what would or could you do about it?"
If this was the case, I’d rather we’d be in a place to influence/veto than on the outside looking in.
But what you’re really asking is if democracy gives me the wrong answer should i reject the democratic institution ? |
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The EPP is not a political party in the usual meaning of the term. It is a coalition of those on the right and includes both modorates and hard right political parties. So the idea that a Hitler could emerge to rule the EU in 2019 seem far fetched to me |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Yes. And I include the uk.
I’m lost tho as your original post talked about the EU ...
And the title of the thread. Despite mentioning the EU, it's now not about the EU?
If you can’t answer the question just say so
Whats the question ?
If the largest party in the European Parliament is far right and the EU president is far right would you still support the EU and if not what would or could you do about it?"
You would absolutely want to be on the inside trying to prevent it rather than being on the outside as a helpless observer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The original question doesn't take sense.
You seem to be saying that it's the fault of the current regime that they will be replaced with something potentially worse.
I don't know if I support the EU fully, I was against the Lisbon treaty and furious about having to vote twice but that said much of what I see about harmonisation of standards and freedoms of movement (for myself) are positive and not something I'd like to lose.
I hear plenty of doomsday prophets but I'm not seeing it personally myself yet. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Yes. And I include the uk.
I’m lost tho as your original post talked about the EU ...
And the title of the thread. Despite mentioning the EU, it's now not about the EU?
If you can’t answer the question just say so
Whats the question ?
If the largest party in the European Parliament is far right and the EU president is far right would you still support the EU and if not what would or could you do about it?
You would absolutely want to be on the inside trying to prevent it rather than being on the outside as a helpless observer."
That would have been through our biggest contingent of mep’s UKIP? Why would they prevent it?And what influence did Cameron or any of the other MEP’s really have? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The EPP is not a political party in the usual meaning of the term. It is a coalition of those on the right and includes both modorates and hard right political parties. So the idea that a Hitler could emerge to rule the EU in 2019 seem far fetched to me"
I know it’s not but if you don’t align yourself with the EPP then you have little influence in the EU parliament . Seperate partys or ‘blocs’ shouldn’t be allowed in the EU parliament. Each mep should get a free vote which in reality doesn’t happen. Who has ever voted for the EPP? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Yes. And I include the uk.
I’m lost tho as your original post talked about the EU ...
And the title of the thread. Despite mentioning the EU, it's now not about the EU?
If you can’t answer the question just say so
Whats the question ?
If the largest party in the European Parliament is far right and the EU president is far right would you still support the EU and if not what would or could you do about it?
If this was the case, I’d rather we’d be in a place to influence/veto than on the outside looking in.
But what you’re really asking is if democracy gives me the wrong answer should i reject the democratic institution ? "
I probably am and what alternative is there if there is a fault with the supposed democratic institution? |
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"I know it’s not but if you don’t align yourself with the EPP then you have little influence in the EU parliament . Seperate partys or ‘blocs’ shouldn’t be allowed in the EU parliament. Each mep should get a free vote which in reality doesn’t happen. Who has ever voted for the EPP?"
Really?
So in your world a moderate party from a member country cannot move from the EPP to the ESP and thus change the balance of power? |
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"The EPP is not a political party in the usual meaning of the term. It is a coalition of those on the right and includes both modorates and hard right political parties. So the idea that a Hitler could emerge to rule the EU in 2019 seem far fetched to me"
I would agree with that.
However the OP does make a valid point.
At the moment the EU is dominated by centre and centre left parties.
So would the liberal left still support it if it was suddenly dominated by right and far right parties? That situation isn't far fetched.
Austria, Italy, Holland, France, Finland, and now even Germany have strong right wing parties.
The old eastern bloc countries are either right, far right, or drifting that way.
It isn't beyond the realms of possibility that a right wing group could dominate the parliament.
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"The EPP is not a political party in the usual meaning of the term. It is a coalition of those on the right and includes both modorates and hard right political parties. So the idea that a Hitler could emerge to rule the EU in 2019 seem far fetched to me
I would agree with that.
However the OP does make a valid point.
At the moment the EU is dominated by centre and centre left parties.
So would the liberal left still support it if it was suddenly dominated by right and far right parties? That situation isn't far fetched.
Austria, Italy, Holland, France, Finland, and now even Germany have strong right wing parties.
The old eastern bloc countries are either right, far right, or drifting that way.
It isn't beyond the realms of possibility that a right wing group could dominate the parliament.
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The largest party in the European parliament is centre right.
Again, the brexiters are the least informed about the institution they hate. |
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"The EPP is not a political party in the usual meaning of the term. It is a coalition of those on the right and includes both modorates and hard right political parties. So the idea that a Hitler could emerge to rule the EU in 2019 seem far fetched to me
I would agree with that.
However the OP does make a valid point.
At the moment the EU is dominated by centre and centre left parties.
So would the liberal left still support it if it was suddenly dominated by right and far right parties? That situation isn't far fetched.
Austria, Italy, Holland, France, Finland, and now even Germany have strong right wing parties.
The old eastern bloc countries are either right, far right, or drifting that way.
It isn't beyond the realms of possibility that a right wing group could dominate the parliament.
The largest party in the European parliament is centre right.
Again, the brexiters are the least informed about the institution they hate."
I didn't say the largest party.
I said "dominated by"
The largest party (EPP) have 217 seats.
Combined left and centre left 360 seats. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I like the eu, but yes it is dominated by the extreme left and as a result we have seen how bad it have gone in europe, they should get some advice from the slavic countries that are leading by example. |
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"You've obviously never heard of a 3 line whip.
You obviously have never heard of defying a 3 line whip and crossing the house...
(Something Winston Churchill did twice.)"
Of course I've heard of it, but how many actually do it?
I'll bet the number is so small it would hardly make a full percentage point per parliament. |
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"I like the eu, but yes it is dominated by the extreme left and as a result we have seen how bad it have gone in europe, they should get some advice from the slavic countries that are leading by example."
I would really like to love the EU and in the past I did.
However the current version has gone way too far in its power grab, spends far too much money and, although remainers are in denial, is far too unaccountable.
The movement to "ever closer union" which translates as a European super state for the future is abhorrent for many if not a majority, if they only knew what it meant.
The EU needs root and branch reform but, as Cameron found out, it will never do so.
If nothing else the arrogance of people like Juncker and Barnier should be enough for anyone to see that Britain is much better off out.
At first I thought that the threat of Brexit would focus a few minds and make the EU think about reform. Sadly I was wrong, if anything they intend to even push harder for more and more power.
Thankfully there is a glimmer of hope in that the so called "populist" parties in other countries are gaining ground and we can only hope that one day they will be strong enough to bring the EU to heel. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I like the eu, but yes it is dominated by the extreme left and as a result we have seen how bad it have gone in europe, they should get some advice from the slavic countries that are leading by example.
I would really like to love the EU and in the past I did.
However the current version has gone way too far in its power grab, spends far too much money and, although remainers are in denial, is far too unaccountable.
The movement to "ever closer union" which translates as a European super state for the future is abhorrent for many if not a majority, if they only knew what it meant.
The EU needs root and branch reform but, as Cameron found out, it will never do so.
If nothing else the arrogance of people like Juncker and Barnier should be enough for anyone to see that Britain is much better off out.
At first I thought that the threat of Brexit would focus a few minds and make the EU think about reform. Sadly I was wrong, if anything they intend to even push harder for more and more power.
Thankfully there is a glimmer of hope in that the so called "populist" parties in other countries are gaining ground and we can only hope that one day they will be strong enough to bring the EU to heel. "
The UK has an opt out to ever closer union.  |
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"I like the eu, but yes it is dominated by the extreme left and as a result we have seen how bad it have gone in europe, they should get some advice from the slavic countries that are leading by example.
I would really like to love the EU and in the past I did.
However the current version has gone way too far in its power grab, spends far too much money and, although remainers are in denial, is far too unaccountable.
The movement to "ever closer union" which translates as a European super state for the future is abhorrent for many if not a majority, if they only knew what it meant.
The EU needs root and branch reform but, as Cameron found out, it will never do so.
If nothing else the arrogance of people like Juncker and Barnier should be enough for anyone to see that Britain is much better off out.
At first I thought that the threat of Brexit would focus a few minds and make the EU think about reform. Sadly I was wrong, if anything they intend to even push harder for more and more power.
Thankfully there is a glimmer of hope in that the so called "populist" parties in other countries are gaining ground and we can only hope that one day they will be strong enough to bring the EU to heel.
The UK has an opt out to ever closer union. "
Who said I was talking about the UK?
There is more than just one country under the EU jackboot. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I like the eu, but yes it is dominated by the extreme left and as a result we have seen how bad it have gone in europe, they should get some advice from the slavic countries that are leading by example.
I would really like to love the EU and in the past I did.
However the current version has gone way too far in its power grab, spends far too much money and, although remainers are in denial, is far too unaccountable.
The movement to "ever closer union" which translates as a European super state for the future is abhorrent for many if not a majority, if they only knew what it meant.
The EU needs root and branch reform but, as Cameron found out, it will never do so.
If nothing else the arrogance of people like Juncker and Barnier should be enough for anyone to see that Britain is much better off out.
At first I thought that the threat of Brexit would focus a few minds and make the EU think about reform. Sadly I was wrong, if anything they intend to even push harder for more and more power.
Thankfully there is a glimmer of hope in that the so called "populist" parties in other countries are gaining ground and we can only hope that one day they will be strong enough to bring the EU to heel.
The UK has an opt out to ever closer union.
Who said I was talking about the UK?
There is more than just one country under the EU jackboot."
The EU jackboot? How? The MEPs come from the member states, the commissioners come from the member states, the treaties are signed by the democratically elected heads of government from the member states. The judges in the ECJ come from the member states, there is not 1 single man at arms that does not come from the military of the individual member states. It is patently absurd to say that the member states are under the jackboot of the EU. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I like the eu, but yes it is dominated by the extreme left and as a result we have seen how bad it have gone in europe, they should get some advice from the slavic countries that are leading by example.
I would really like to love the EU and in the past I did.
However the current version has gone way too far in its power grab, spends far too much money and, although remainers are in denial, is far too unaccountable.
The movement to "ever closer union" which translates as a European super state for the future is abhorrent for many if not a majority, if they only knew what it meant.
The EU needs root and branch reform but, as Cameron found out, it will never do so.
If nothing else the arrogance of people like Juncker and Barnier should be enough for anyone to see that Britain is much better off out.
At first I thought that the threat of Brexit would focus a few minds and make the EU think about reform. Sadly I was wrong, if anything they intend to even push harder for more and more power.
Thankfully there is a glimmer of hope in that the so called "populist" parties in other countries are gaining ground and we can only hope that one day they will be strong enough to bring the EU to heel. "
Yes, the eu in the past was the best when it started, lets hope they can win and even form a new eu, maibe even a leader such as victor orban to change things up.
The reason I beleive the slavic countries dont got the same problems is cos they focus on religion and culture first. |
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"A question for EU supporters -
In 2019 Juncker steps down and there are new elections for MEP’s. Now following the rise in support across Europe for far right partys/politicians it is not beyond the realms of possibility, even if the intention is simply a protest vote, that the largest party in the European Parliament could be a far right party who could then elect party member ‘Adolf’ as the next President of the EU commission.
So, do you still support the EU? And if not, what can you do about it?
And what would be the consequences for the world?
In my opinion this institution is dangerous and not fit for purpose. I’ll gladly accept any criticism for my opinion but that scenario is not as far fetched as some might think
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It'd probably make you (and some others like you) to warm towards it then. Right wing leadership is fine for the UK but for the EU is a no-no, hey?
While our government only has the Lords to keep them in check (yes, those Lords that you guys want to abolish and give the JRMs, and the like, free reign) the EU has 27 actual countries as their type of "Lords", in the sense that they are accountable to them and their representatives. Unlike the version of parliament that you guys want to create in the UK, the EU is not a dictatorship.
You hate the EU because it promotes solidarity. Something that doesn't quite fit with the "we're the best, fuck the rest" ideology some of you have. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"A question for EU supporters -
In 2019 Juncker steps down and there are new elections for MEP’s. Now following the rise in support across Europe for far right partys/politicians it is not beyond the realms of possibility, even if the intention is simply a protest vote, that the largest party in the European Parliament could be a far right party who could then elect party member ‘Adolf’ as the next President of the EU commission.
So, do you still support the EU? And if not, what can you do about it?
And what would be the consequences for the world?
In my opinion this institution is dangerous and not fit for purpose. I’ll gladly accept any criticism for my opinion but that scenario is not as far fetched as some might think
It'd probably make you (and some others like you) to warm towards it then. Right wing leadership is fine for the UK but for the EU is a no-no, hey?
While our government only has the Lords to keep them in check (yes, those Lords that you guys want to abolish and give the JRMs, and the like, free reign) the EU has 27 actual countries as their type of "Lords", in the sense that they are accountable to them and their representatives. Unlike the version of parliament that you guys want to create in the UK, the EU is not a dictatorship.
You hate the EU because it promotes solidarity. Something that doesn't quite fit with the "we're the best, fuck the rest" ideology some of you have."
If you think the Tories are far right I’m sorry you don’t have much of an idea of politics. They are mainly liberal.
And I think Labour MP Frank Field, one of the few Labour MP’s I have any time for, is this week calling for the House of Lords to be abolished. Why is that |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"A question for EU supporters -
In 2019 Juncker steps down and there are new elections for MEP’s. Now following the rise in support across Europe for far right partys/politicians it is not beyond the realms of possibility, even if the intention is simply a protest vote, that the largest party in the European Parliament could be a far right party who could then elect party member ‘Adolf’ as the next President of the EU commission.
So, do you still support the EU? And if not, what can you do about it?
And what would be the consequences for the world?
In my opinion this institution is dangerous and not fit for purpose. I’ll gladly accept any criticism for my opinion but that scenario is not as far fetched as some might think
It'd probably make you (and some others like you) to warm towards it then. Right wing leadership is fine for the UK but for the EU is a no-no, hey?
While our government only has the Lords to keep them in check (yes, those Lords that you guys want to abolish and give the JRMs, and the like, free reign) the EU has 27 actual countries as their type of "Lords", in the sense that they are accountable to them and their representatives. Unlike the version of parliament that you guys want to create in the UK, the EU is not a dictatorship.
You hate the EU because it promotes solidarity. Something that doesn't quite fit with the "we're the best, fuck the rest" ideology some of you have."
Ok, I’ve stopped laughing now.
So where is the solidarity between Northern and Southern Europe? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"OP, can you give us some examples of you think might happen?
Have you thought of any?"
I know comprehension isn’t your strong point but help me out here with your composition |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"OP, can you give us some examples of you think might happen?
Have you thought of any?
I know comprehension isn’t your strong point but help me out here with your composition "
What do you think will happen? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"OP, can you give us some examples of you think might happen?
Have you thought of any?
I know comprehension isn’t your strong point but help me out here with your composition
What do you think will happen?"
Not a clue |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"OP, can you give us some examples of you think might happen?
Have you thought of any?
I know comprehension isn’t your strong point but help me out here with your composition
What do you think will happen?
Not a clue "
Then why start the thread? You must have had some concerns or worries about what might happen, otherwise you wouldn't have started the thread. |
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"A question for EU supporters -
In 2019 Juncker steps down and there are new elections for MEP’s. Now following the rise in support across Europe for far right partys/politicians it is not beyond the realms of possibility, even if the intention is simply a protest vote, that the largest party in the European Parliament could be a far right party who could then elect party member ‘Adolf’ as the next President of the EU commission.
So, do you still support the EU? And if not, what can you do about it?
And what would be the consequences for the world?
In my opinion this institution is dangerous and not fit for purpose. I’ll gladly accept any criticism for my opinion but that scenario is not as far fetched as some might think
It'd probably make you (and some others like you) to warm towards it then. Right wing leadership is fine for the UK but for the EU is a no-no, hey?
While our government only has the Lords to keep them in check (yes, those Lords that you guys want to abolish and give the JRMs, and the like, free reign) the EU has 27 actual countries as their type of "Lords", in the sense that they are accountable to them and their representatives. Unlike the version of parliament that you guys want to create in the UK, the EU is not a dictatorship.
You hate the EU because it promotes solidarity. Something that doesn't quite fit with the "we're the best, fuck the rest" ideology some of you have.
Ok, I’ve stopped laughing now.
So where is the solidarity between Northern and Southern Europe?"
I said "promotes", not "enforces".
As for leadership, I said "right wing", not "far right".
I even used fewer * this time, yet you still misread (or *chose* to read differently) what I wrote  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"OP, can you give us some examples of you think might happen?
Have you thought of any?
I know comprehension isn’t your strong point but help me out here with your composition
What do you think will happen?
Not a clue
Then why start the thread? You must have had some concerns or worries about what might happen, otherwise you wouldn't have started the thread. "
I started the thread to see who blindly follows something they don’t understand and will support it come what may. My concerns and worries are for things that have already happened and are happening now. If you have no concerns or worries about the EU and where it will take you....you should |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"A question for EU supporters -
In 2019 Juncker steps down and there are new elections for MEP’s. Now following the rise in support across Europe for far right partys/politicians it is not beyond the realms of possibility, even if the intention is simply a protest vote, that the largest party in the European Parliament could be a far right party who could then elect party member ‘Adolf’ as the next President of the EU commission.
So, do you still support the EU? And if not, what can you do about it?
And what would be the consequences for the world?
In my opinion this institution is dangerous and not fit for purpose. I’ll gladly accept any criticism for my opinion but that scenario is not as far fetched as some might think
It'd probably make you (and some others like you) to warm towards it then. Right wing leadership is fine for the UK but for the EU is a no-no, hey?
While our government only has the Lords to keep them in check (yes, those Lords that you guys want to abolish and give the JRMs, and the like, free reign) the EU has 27 actual countries as their type of "Lords", in the sense that they are accountable to them and their representatives. Unlike the version of parliament that you guys want to create in the UK, the EU is not a dictatorship.
You hate the EU because it promotes solidarity. Something that doesn't quite fit with the "we're the best, fuck the rest" ideology some of you have.
Ok, I’ve stopped laughing now.
So where is the solidarity between Northern and Southern Europe?
I said "promotes", not "enforces".
As for leadership, I said "right wing", not "far right".
I even used fewer * this time, yet you still misread (or *chose* to read differently) what I wrote "
How does it *promote* solidarity between north and south?
And the Tories are not even ‘right wing’ |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"OP, can you give us some examples of you think might happen?
Have you thought of any?
I know comprehension isn’t your strong point but help me out here with your composition
What do you think will happen?
Not a clue
Then why start the thread? You must have had some concerns or worries about what might happen, otherwise you wouldn't have started the thread.
I started the thread to see who blindly follows something they don’t understand and will support it come what may. My concerns and worries are for things that have already happened and are happening now. If you have no concerns or worries about the EU and where it will take you....you should "
Why? What will happen? |
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over a year ago
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"OP, can you give us some examples of you think might happen?
Have you thought of any?
I know comprehension isn’t your strong point but help me out here with your composition
What do you think will happen?
Not a clue
Then why start the thread? You must have had some concerns or worries about what might happen, otherwise you wouldn't have started the thread.
I started the thread to see who blindly follows something they don’t understand and will support it come what may. My concerns and worries are for things that have already happened and are happening now. If you have no concerns or worries about the EU and where it will take you....you should
Why? What will happen? "
Dunno, do you? |
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"A question for EU supporters -
In 2019 Juncker steps down and there are new elections for MEP’s. Now following the rise in support across Europe for far right partys/politicians it is not beyond the realms of possibility, even if the intention is simply a protest vote, that the largest party in the European Parliament could be a far right party who could then elect party member ‘Adolf’ as the next President of the EU commission.
So, do you still support the EU? And if not, what can you do about it?
And what would be the consequences for the world?
In my opinion this institution is dangerous and not fit for purpose. I’ll gladly accept any criticism for my opinion but that scenario is not as far fetched as some might think
It'd probably make you (and some others like you) to warm towards it then. Right wing leadership is fine for the UK but for the EU is a no-no, hey?
While our government only has the Lords to keep them in check (yes, those Lords that you guys want to abolish and give the JRMs, and the like, free reign) the EU has 27 actual countries as their type of "Lords", in the sense that they are accountable to them and their representatives. Unlike the version of parliament that you guys want to create in the UK, the EU is not a dictatorship.
You hate the EU because it promotes solidarity. Something that doesn't quite fit with the "we're the best, fuck the rest" ideology some of you have.
Ok, I’ve stopped laughing now.
So where is the solidarity between Northern and Southern Europe?
I said "promotes", not "enforces".
As for leadership, I said "right wing", not "far right".
I even used fewer * this time, yet you still misread (or *chose* to read differently) what I wrote
How does it *promote* solidarity between north and south?
And the Tories are not even ‘right wing’ "
What makes you think there's no solidarity between north and south?
The tories are not right wing?! Now it's *my* turn to laugh!  |
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"A question for EU supporters -
In 2019 Juncker steps down and there are new elections for MEP’s. Now following the rise in support across Europe for far right partys/politicians it is not beyond the realms of possibility, even if the intention is simply a protest vote, that the largest party in the European Parliament could be a far right party who could then elect party member ‘Adolf’ as the next President of the EU commission.
So, do you still support the EU? And if not, what can you do about it?
And what would be the consequences for the world?
In my opinion this institution is dangerous and not fit for purpose. I’ll gladly accept any criticism for my opinion but that scenario is not as far fetched as some might think
It'd probably make you (and some others like you) to warm towards it then. Right wing leadership is fine for the UK but for the EU is a no-no, hey?
While our government only has the Lords to keep them in check (yes, those Lords that you guys want to abolish and give the JRMs, and the like, free reign) the EU has 27 actual countries as their type of "Lords", in the sense that they are accountable to them and their representatives. Unlike the version of parliament that you guys want to create in the UK, the EU is not a dictatorship.
You hate the EU because it promotes solidarity. Something that doesn't quite fit with the "we're the best, fuck the rest" ideology some of you have.
If you think the Tories are far right I’m sorry you don’t have much of an idea of politics. They are mainly liberal.
And I think Labour MP Frank Field, one of the few Labour MP’s I have any time for, is this week calling for the House of Lords to be abolished. Why is that"
Because they’re not doing what he wants?
Ps it’s not really abolisih but make smaller. And aligned to political split. Which is a bit odd imo. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"OP, can you give us some examples of you think might happen?
Have you thought of any?
I know comprehension isn’t your strong point but help me out here with your composition
What do you think will happen?
Not a clue
Then why start the thread? You must have had some concerns or worries about what might happen, otherwise you wouldn't have started the thread.
I started the thread to see who blindly follows something they don’t understand and will support it come what may. My concerns and worries are for things that have already happened and are happening now. If you have no concerns or worries about the EU and where it will take you....you should
Why? What will happen?
Dunno, do you?"
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"A question for EU supporters -
In 2019 Juncker steps down and there are new elections for MEP’s. Now following the rise in support across Europe for far right partys/politicians it is not beyond the realms of possibility, even if the intention is simply a protest vote, that the largest party in the European Parliament could be a far right party who could then elect party member ‘Adolf’ as the next President of the EU commission.
So, do you still support the EU? And if not, what can you do about it?
And what would be the consequences for the world?
In my opinion this institution is dangerous and not fit for purpose. I’ll gladly accept any criticism for my opinion but that scenario is not as far fetched as some might think
It'd probably make you (and some others like you) to warm towards it then. Right wing leadership is fine for the UK but for the EU is a no-no, hey?
While our government only has the Lords to keep them in check (yes, those Lords that you guys want to abolish and give the JRMs, and the like, free reign) the EU has 27 actual countries as their type of "Lords", in the sense that they are accountable to them and their representatives. Unlike the version of parliament that you guys want to create in the UK, the EU is not a dictatorship.
You hate the EU because it promotes solidarity. Something that doesn't quite fit with the "we're the best, fuck the rest" ideology some of you have.
Ok, I’ve stopped laughing now.
So where is the solidarity between Northern and Southern Europe?
I said "promotes", not "enforces".
As for leadership, I said "right wing", not "far right".
I even used fewer * this time, yet you still misread (or *chose* to read differently) what I wrote
How does it *promote* solidarity between north and south?
And the Tories are not even ‘right wing’
What makes you think there's no solidarity between north and south?
The tories are not right wing?! Now it's *my* turn to laugh! "
The Tories these days are the most liberal party we have had in government for years and are not right wing.
If you think there is solidarity between north and south maybe you need to travel around Europe a little more and speak to people.
If you don’t believe me then maybe listen to what EU supporter George Soros had to say last month? -
‘The EU is mired in an existential crisis ‘
‘Since the financial crisis of 2008 the EU seems to have lost its way. It adopted a program of fiscal retrenchment which led to the Euro crisis and transformed the Eurozone into a relationship between creditors and debtors. The creditors set the conditions that the debtors had to meet, yet could not meet. This created a relationship that was neither voluntary nor equal- the very opposite of the credo on which the EU was based’.
‘As a result many young people today regard the EU as an enemy that has deprived them of jobs and a secure and promising future ‘.
Couldn’t have put it better myself.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A question for EU supporters -
In 2019 Juncker steps down and there are new elections for MEP’s. Now following the rise in support across Europe for far right partys/politicians it is not beyond the realms of possibility, even if the intention is simply a protest vote, that the largest party in the European Parliament could be a far right party who could then elect party member ‘Adolf’ as the next President of the EU commission.
So, do you still support the EU? And if not, what can you do about it?
And what would be the consequences for the world?
In my opinion this institution is dangerous and not fit for purpose. I’ll gladly accept any criticism for my opinion but that scenario is not as far fetched as some might think
It'd probably make you (and some others like you) to warm towards it then. Right wing leadership is fine for the UK but for the EU is a no-no, hey?
While our government only has the Lords to keep them in check (yes, those Lords that you guys want to abolish and give the JRMs, and the like, free reign) the EU has 27 actual countries as their type of "Lords", in the sense that they are accountable to them and their representatives. Unlike the version of parliament that you guys want to create in the UK, the EU is not a dictatorship.
You hate the EU because it promotes solidarity. Something that doesn't quite fit with the "we're the best, fuck the rest" ideology some of you have.
Ok, I’ve stopped laughing now.
So where is the solidarity between Northern and Southern Europe?
I said "promotes", not "enforces".
As for leadership, I said "right wing", not "far right".
I even used fewer * this time, yet you still misread (or *chose* to read differently) what I wrote
How does it *promote* solidarity between north and south?
And the Tories are not even ‘right wing’
What makes you think there's no solidarity between north and south?
The tories are not right wing?! Now it's *my* turn to laugh!
The Tories these days are the most liberal party we have had in government for years and are not right wing.
If you think there is solidarity between north and south maybe you need to travel around Europe a little more and speak to people.
If you don’t believe me then maybe listen to what EU supporter George Soros had to say last month? -
‘The EU is mired in an existential crisis ‘
‘Since the financial crisis of 2008 the EU seems to have lost its way. It adopted a program of fiscal retrenchment which led to the Euro crisis and transformed the Eurozone into a relationship between creditors and debtors. The creditors set the conditions that the debtors had to meet, yet could not meet. This created a relationship that was neither voluntary nor equal- the very opposite of the credo on which the EU was based’.
‘As a result many young people today regard the EU as an enemy that has deprived them of jobs and a secure and promising future ‘.
Couldn’t have put it better myself.
Solidarity my arse"
This government, propped up by the DUP and wanting to use Henry VIII powers is more liberal than the same party in coalition with the Lib Dem’s. And the Labour Party before that ? Bold claim.
Looking at the soros statement I agree there is friction, although I also think while some of this can be pointed at the EU/euro some of it is more localised. As with brexit the Eu are an easy target for a complicated position.
Also, I agree with soros when he says ...
... that Brexit was an "immensely damaging process" for both sides that would "probably" take more than five years to sort out.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"A question for EU supporters -
In 2019 Juncker steps down and there are new elections for MEP’s. Now following the rise in support across Europe for far right partys/politicians it is not beyond the realms of possibility, even if the intention is simply a protest vote, that the largest party in the European Parliament could be a far right party who could then elect party member ‘Adolf’ as the next President of the EU commission.
So, do you still support the EU? And if not, what can you do about it?
And what would be the consequences for the world?
In my opinion this institution is dangerous and not fit for purpose. I’ll gladly accept any criticism for my opinion but that scenario is not as far fetched as some might think
It'd probably make you (and some others like you) to warm towards it then. Right wing leadership is fine for the UK but for the EU is a no-no, hey?
While our government only has the Lords to keep them in check (yes, those Lords that you guys want to abolish and give the JRMs, and the like, free reign) the EU has 27 actual countries as their type of "Lords", in the sense that they are accountable to them and their representatives. Unlike the version of parliament that you guys want to create in the UK, the EU is not a dictatorship.
You hate the EU because it promotes solidarity. Something that doesn't quite fit with the "we're the best, fuck the rest" ideology some of you have.
Ok, I’ve stopped laughing now.
So where is the solidarity between Northern and Southern Europe?
I said "promotes", not "enforces".
As for leadership, I said "right wing", not "far right".
I even used fewer * this time, yet you still misread (or *chose* to read differently) what I wrote
How does it *promote* solidarity between north and south?
And the Tories are not even ‘right wing’
What makes you think there's no solidarity between north and south?
The tories are not right wing?! Now it's *my* turn to laugh!
The Tories these days are the most liberal party we have had in government for years and are not right wing.
If you think there is solidarity between north and south maybe you need to travel around Europe a little more and speak to people.
If you don’t believe me then maybe listen to what EU supporter George Soros had to say last month? -
‘The EU is mired in an existential crisis ‘
‘Since the financial crisis of 2008 the EU seems to have lost its way. It adopted a program of fiscal retrenchment which led to the Euro crisis and transformed the Eurozone into a relationship between creditors and debtors. The creditors set the conditions that the debtors had to meet, yet could not meet. This created a relationship that was neither voluntary nor equal- the very opposite of the credo on which the EU was based’.
‘As a result many young people today regard the EU as an enemy that has deprived them of jobs and a secure and promising future ‘.
Couldn’t have put it better myself.
Solidarity my arse
This government, propped up by the DUP and wanting to use Henry VIII powers is more liberal than the same party in coalition with the Lib Dem’s. And the Labour Party before that ? Bold claim.
Looking at the soros statement I agree there is friction, although I also think while some of this can be pointed at the EU/euro some of it is more localised. As with brexit the Eu are an easy target for a complicated position.
Also, I agree with soros when he says ...
... that Brexit was an "immensely damaging process" for both sides that would "probably" take more than five years to sort out.
"
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"A question for EU supporters -
In 2019 Juncker steps down and there are new elections for MEP’s. Now following the rise in support across Europe for far right partys/politicians it is not beyond the realms of possibility, even if the intention is simply a protest vote, that the largest party in the European Parliament could be a far right party who could then elect party member ‘Adolf’ as the next President of the EU commission.
So, do you still support the EU? And if not, what can you do about it?
And what would be the consequences for the world?
In my opinion this institution is dangerous and not fit for purpose. I’ll gladly accept any criticism for my opinion but that scenario is not as far fetched as some might think
It'd probably make you (and some others like you) to warm towards it then. Right wing leadership is fine for the UK but for the EU is a no-no, hey?
While our government only has the Lords to keep them in check (yes, those Lords that you guys want to abolish and give the JRMs, and the like, free reign) the EU has 27 actual countries as their type of "Lords", in the sense that they are accountable to them and their representatives. Unlike the version of parliament that you guys want to create in the UK, the EU is not a dictatorship.
You hate the EU because it promotes solidarity. Something that doesn't quite fit with the "we're the best, fuck the rest" ideology some of you have.
Ok, I’ve stopped laughing now.
So where is the solidarity between Northern and Southern Europe?
I said "promotes", not "enforces".
As for leadership, I said "right wing", not "far right".
I even used fewer * this time, yet you still misread (or *chose* to read differently) what I wrote
How does it *promote* solidarity between north and south?
And the Tories are not even ‘right wing’
What makes you think there's no solidarity between north and south?
The tories are not right wing?! Now it's *my* turn to laugh!
The Tories these days are the most liberal party we have had in government for years and are not right wing.
If you think there is solidarity between north and south maybe you need to travel around Europe a little more and speak to people.
If you don’t believe me then maybe listen to what EU supporter George Soros had to say last month? -
‘The EU is mired in an existential crisis ‘
‘Since the financial crisis of 2008 the EU seems to have lost its way. It adopted a program of fiscal retrenchment which led to the Euro crisis and transformed the Eurozone into a relationship between creditors and debtors. The creditors set the conditions that the debtors had to meet, yet could not meet. This created a relationship that was neither voluntary nor equal- the very opposite of the credo on which the EU was based’.
‘As a result many young people today regard the EU as an enemy that has deprived them of jobs and a secure and promising future ‘.
Couldn’t have put it better myself.
Solidarity my arse"
There's more solidarity amongst 27 separate EU *countries* than there is within *our own* country!
And how exactly is it the EU's fault that certain countries can't manage their own finances?
Solidarity doesn't mean "we lend you money and yeah, no prob. Pay it back whenever". Certain relationships, especially the financial ones, need to be respected regardless. Solidarity isn't another word for philanthropy.
And btw, if Soros didn't think that the EU was fit for purpose, why would he be throwing his millions away by funding pro-EU movements in the UK? How come you agree with his position on that matter but not his actions elsewhere? One of you must be seriously confused! |
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over a year ago
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"A question for EU supporters -
In 2019 Juncker steps down and there are new elections for MEP’s. Now following the rise in support across Europe for far right partys/politicians it is not beyond the realms of possibility, even if the intention is simply a protest vote, that the largest party in the European Parliament could be a far right party who could then elect party member ‘Adolf’ as the next President of the EU commission.
So, do you still support the EU? And if not, what can you do about it?
And what would be the consequences for the world?
In my opinion this institution is dangerous and not fit for purpose. I’ll gladly accept any criticism for my opinion but that scenario is not as far fetched as some might think
It'd probably make you (and some others like you) to warm towards it then. Right wing leadership is fine for the UK but for the EU is a no-no, hey?
While our government only has the Lords to keep them in check (yes, those Lords that you guys want to abolish and give the JRMs, and the like, free reign) the EU has 27 actual countries as their type of "Lords", in the sense that they are accountable to them and their representatives. Unlike the version of parliament that you guys want to create in the UK, the EU is not a dictatorship.
You hate the EU because it promotes solidarity. Something that doesn't quite fit with the "we're the best, fuck the rest" ideology some of you have.
Ok, I’ve stopped laughing now.
So where is the solidarity between Northern and Southern Europe?
I said "promotes", not "enforces".
As for leadership, I said "right wing", not "far right".
I even used fewer * this time, yet you still misread (or *chose* to read differently) what I wrote
How does it *promote* solidarity between north and south?
And the Tories are not even ‘right wing’
What makes you think there's no solidarity between north and south?
The tories are not right wing?! Now it's *my* turn to laugh!
The Tories these days are the most liberal party we have had in government for years and are not right wing.
If you think there is solidarity between north and south maybe you need to travel around Europe a little more and speak to people.
If you don’t believe me then maybe listen to what EU supporter George Soros had to say last month? -
‘The EU is mired in an existential crisis ‘
‘Since the financial crisis of 2008 the EU seems to have lost its way. It adopted a program of fiscal retrenchment which led to the Euro crisis and transformed the Eurozone into a relationship between creditors and debtors. The creditors set the conditions that the debtors had to meet, yet could not meet. This created a relationship that was neither voluntary nor equal- the very opposite of the credo on which the EU was based’.
‘As a result many young people today regard the EU as an enemy that has deprived them of jobs and a secure and promising future ‘.
Couldn’t have put it better myself.
Solidarity my arse
There's more solidarity amongst 27 separate EU *countries* than there is within *our own* country!
And how exactly is it the EU's fault that certain countries can't manage their own finances?
Solidarity doesn't mean "we lend you money and yeah, no prob. Pay it back whenever". Certain relationships, especially the financial ones, need to be respected regardless. Solidarity isn't another word for philanthropy.
And btw, if Soros didn't think that the EU was fit for purpose, why would he be throwing his millions away by funding pro-EU movements in the UK? How come you agree with his position on that matter but not his actions elsewhere? One of you must be seriously confused!"
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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The EU solidarity will be tested on Sunday, when they meet to discuss the migrant crisis.
There are reports circulating that Macron and Merkel want migrants returned to their country of entry.
Italy have stated that they will not take any more brought to them by foreign flagged vessels.
Hungary has now passed legislation making it illegal for groups to aid migrants.
Attitudes are now hardening further. It now remains to be seen how far the richer North will go in abandoning the poorer South. |
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