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"You mean "our trade deal" is in doubt. "See that is the thing with Centy, he only sees things he considers as positive brexit news and anything that is or could be disruptive to the EU is good news. The idea that that disruption could harm the UK would never cross his mind. I guess Italy has decided that it is going to become the EU's special member now that we are leaving. I wonder if the EU are going to make the same mistake again with them or if they will tell Italy's equivalent of Thatcher to go fuck themselves this time round? | |||
"You mean "our trade deal" is in doubt. "We're leaving. Remember there was a vote on it in 2016.  | |||
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"You mean "our trade deal" is in doubt.
We're leaving. Remember there was a vote on it in 2016. "It’s still “our trade deal” at least until 2020 | |||
"You mean "our trade deal" is in doubt.
We're leaving. Remember there was a vote on it in 2016.
It’s still “our trade deal” at least until 2020
"The leader of Canada, Justin Trudeau said to Theresa May on the recent visit to London by Commonwealth leaders that Canada would do a separate equivalent EU-Canada deal with the UK after Brexit (maybe including more, such as deal on services). The way things are looking in the EU with Italy now, the UK could well have an agreement signed and fully ratified on a 1 to 1 basis with Canada before the EU does.  | |||
"You mean "our trade deal" is in doubt.
We're leaving. Remember there was a vote on it in 2016. "Hmmm I take it you don't want a trade deal with the Eu ? That could hurt a few people ? | |||
"You mean "our trade deal" is in doubt.
We're leaving. Remember there was a vote on it in 2016.
It’s still “our trade deal” at least until 2020
"And then there is our exit deal and our trade deal with the EU to consider. Do you think that maybe Italy may decide to refuse to ratify any part of that? Is it possible that Italy will block everything thus resulting in there being no international flights in or out of the UK from the 30th March 2019? And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I wonder how many people could find themselves laid off overnight if that happened? On a brighter note, as Centy says we are leaving the EU so it will not be our problem soon. | |||
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"The leader of Canada, Justin Trudeau said to Theresa May on the recent visit to London by Commonwealth leaders that Canada would do a separate equivalent EU-Canada deal with the UK after Brexit (maybe including more, such as deal on services). The way things are looking in the EU with Italy now, the UK could well have an agreement signed and fully ratified on a 1 to 1 basis with Canada before the EU does. "Yea! We get to replace a market of 450 million that is 20 odd miles away with a market of 37 million some 2500 to 7000 miles away. What a great plan for the future! I'm surprised that it has taken so long for such an obvious way to improve our economy to have been spotted. I just cant understand why Canada would be wanting a trade deal with the EU when Australia is such an obviously more attractive market! | |||
"The leader of Canada, Justin Trudeau said to Theresa May on the recent visit to London by Commonwealth leaders that Canada would do a separate equivalent EU-Canada deal with the UK after Brexit (maybe including more, such as deal on services). The way things are looking in the EU with Italy now, the UK could well have an agreement signed and fully ratified on a 1 to 1 basis with Canada before the EU does.
Yea! We get to replace a market of 450 million that is 20 odd miles away with a market of 37 million some 2500 to 7000 miles away.
What a great plan for the future! I'm surprised that it has taken so long for such an obvious way to improve our economy to have been spotted. I just cant understand why Canada would be wanting a trade deal with the EU when Australia is such an obviously more attractive market! "But we might get special access to their maple syrup market! -Matt | |||
"No international flights in or out the uk come on going overboard now it will never happen ffs " What do you think will happen if any EU state block the most basic of leaving deals? Do you think that the whole world is just going to ignore international air transport regulations and violate EU airspace to land plans in the UK? Or do you think that the world going to say 'you got yourselves into this mess you get yourselves out, and here is the bill for the problems you have caused us'? You see the problem with the problem with the 'it will never happen' approach is when it does everyone is right royally screwed! And afterwards when everyone is looking to not be the scapegoat we get to hear 'lessons learned' line. But the lesson we never learn is that things that will never happen happen all the time! | |||
"No international flights in or out the uk come on going overboard now it will never happen ffs " Well, if we don't manage to negotiate a deal on several fronts that is exactly what will happen. Currently our aircraft and parts are safety certified by EASA. And abiding by the ECJ is a pre-requisite of membership at the very least. I have to say I've lost track of where we are with our plans on the ECJ... I can't remember if we've realised we have to stay a part of it or not. But we will need to negotiate membership back of the EASA or a similar body in order to safety certify our planes and parts. And if we don't there is way in hell our plans are going to be allowed to take off... let alone land anywhere. Then there is the issue of flying into the EU. At the moment we only have the right for UK carriers to fly into the EU by fact we are members of the EU. Once we leave, and unless we negotiate something else (and it is agreed by all) then UK carriers will simply not be legally able to fly into the EU. Now considering the aviation industry and tourism/travel industry need to be planning many months in advance, this is not looking all that promising right now. -Matt | |||
"The leader of Canada, Justin Trudeau said to Theresa May on the recent visit to London by Commonwealth leaders that Canada would do a separate equivalent EU-Canada deal with the UK after Brexit (maybe including more, such as deal on services). The way things are looking in the EU with Italy now, the UK could well have an agreement signed and fully ratified on a 1 to 1 basis with Canada before the EU does.
Yea! We get to replace a market of 450 million that is 20 odd miles away with a market of 37 million some 2500 to 7000 miles away.
What a great plan for the future! I'm surprised that it has taken so long for such an obvious way to improve our economy to have been spotted. I just cant understand why Canada would be wanting a trade deal with the EU when Australia is such an obviously more attractive market! "The EU market of 450 million people you quote includes the UK. UK has a population of around 65 million so once the UK leaves the EU, the EU market will be around 385 million. Also the commonwealth which you so easily dismiss is home to around 1/3rd of the population of the whole world! IMF forecasts which remainers usually take as Gospel say that over the next 10 to 20 years the vast majority of world economic growth will come from outside of the EU. Face it the EU is going down the tubes. | |||
"No international flights in or out the uk come on going overboard now it will never happen ffs What do you think will happen if any EU state block the most basic of leaving deals? Do you think that the whole world is just going to ignore international air transport regulations and violate EU airspace to land plans in the UK? Or do you think that the world going to say 'you got yourselves into this mess you get yourselves out, and here is the bill for the problems you have caused us'? You see the problem with the problem with the 'it will never happen' approach is when it does everyone is right royally screwed! And afterwards when everyone is looking to not be the scapegoat we get to hear 'lessons learned' line. But the lesson we never learn is that things that will never happen happen all the time!" So why did you vote Leave? | |||
"No international flights in or out the uk come on going overboard now it will never happen ffs What do you think will happen if any EU state block the most basic of leaving deals? Do you think that the whole world is just going to ignore international air transport regulations and violate EU airspace to land plans in the UK? Or do you think that the world going to say 'you got yourselves into this mess you get yourselves out, and here is the bill for the problems you have caused us'? You see the problem with the problem with the 'it will never happen' approach is when it does everyone is right royally screwed! And afterwards when everyone is looking to not be the scapegoat we get to hear 'lessons learned' line. But the lesson we never learn is that things that will never happen happen all the time!" Personally I don't think the likes of Donald Trump would give a toss about so called 'EU airspace'. If the UK left the EU without a deal then planes coming from America over the Atlantic would go directly from American airspace into UK airspace flying directly over Northern Ireland and North of Northern Ireland. Same route for Canada and flights from South America would be taken. | |||
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"Bloody hell iv already book my hols for next summer best cancel now there’s going to be no more flights I’ll let Thomas cook know aswell lol" Cornwalls nice in the summer. Maybe I'll see you there! | |||
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"Anyone who has been to the very south of Italy lately will understand why they have had enough. " Rome was bad enough! | |||
"I wouldn’t dare go to Cornwall bob would get me d*unk on that strong cider take me out on his boat dump me overboard lol " Put some lager in his cider when he's not looking, then tell the landlord he's making snake bites. Used to get chucked out of pubs for that. | |||
"You mean "our trade deal" is in doubt.
We're leaving. Remember there was a vote on it in 2016.
It’s still “our trade deal” at least until 2020
The leader of Canada, Justin Trudeau said to Theresa May on the recent visit to London by Commonwealth leaders that Canada would do a separate equivalent EU-Canada deal with the UK after Brexit (maybe including more, such as deal on services). The way things are looking in the EU with Italy now, the UK could well have an agreement signed and fully ratified on a 1 to 1 basis with Canada before the EU does. "In the first post you and cheerful as hell that Italian food producers don't get enough protection, now you are happy that British food producers wont get protections...  | |||
"I wouldn’t dare go to Cornwall bob would get me d*unk on that strong cider take me out on his boat dump me overboard lol Put some lager in his cider when he's not looking, then tell the landlord he's making snake bites. Used to get chucked out of pubs for that." now your talking I love snakebites I know chucked out for a snakebite but you could get a shot of the the full top shelf in one glass times have changed lol | |||
"No international flights in or out the uk come on going overboard now it will never happen ffs What do you think will happen if any EU state block the most basic of leaving deals? Do you think that the whole world is just going to ignore international air transport regulations and violate EU airspace to land plans in the UK? Or do you think that the world going to say 'you got yourselves into this mess you get yourselves out, and here is the bill for the problems you have caused us'? You see the problem with the problem with the 'it will never happen' approach is when it does everyone is right royally screwed! And afterwards when everyone is looking to not be the scapegoat we get to hear 'lessons learned' line. But the lesson we never learn is that things that will never happen happen all the time! Personally I don't think the likes of Donald Trump would give a toss about so called 'EU airspace'. If the UK left the EU without a deal then planes coming from America over the Atlantic would go directly from American airspace into UK airspace flying directly over Northern Ireland and North of Northern Ireland. Same route for Canada and flights from South America would be taken. " would this be the same donald trump you hang almost everything on that has actually offered a deal to the UK which involves less landing spots in the US post brexit? which means less flights to less destinations... which would lead to higher prices | |||
"No international flights in or out the uk come on going overboard now it will never happen ffs What do you think will happen if any EU state block the most basic of leaving deals? Do you think that the whole world is just going to ignore international air transport regulations and violate EU airspace to land plans in the UK? Or do you think that the world going to say 'you got yourselves into this mess you get yourselves out, and here is the bill for the problems you have caused us'? You see the problem with the problem with the 'it will never happen' approach is when it does everyone is right royally screwed! And afterwards when everyone is looking to not be the scapegoat we get to hear 'lessons learned' line. But the lesson we never learn is that things that will never happen happen all the time! Personally I don't think the likes of Donald Trump would give a toss about so called 'EU airspace'. If the UK left the EU without a deal then planes coming from America over the Atlantic would go directly from American airspace into UK airspace flying directly over Northern Ireland and North of Northern Ireland. Same route for Canada and flights from South America would be taken. " Awesome. And what about our own aviation industry? Or are you saying that it doesn't matter if that is all grounded because we can just give our business to the US instead? -Matt | |||
"The new coalition government in Italy has said they will refuse to ratify the EU free trade deal with Canada. All 28 EU member states must approve the agreement for it to take full effect. Italy have complained the EU trade deal agreement does not ensure sufficient protection for the country's speciality foods. Italy also clashed with the EU in recent days over the migration crisis when it refused to let migrant boats dock in Italian ports. Boats were rerouted to Spain. The new Italian government are making clear early signs that they don't intend to play ball with Brussels on a range of subjects. Yet more headaches for the clowns Juncker and Tusk. With the EU already facing new tariffs from the USA on steel and aluminium, it looks like it's trade deal with Canada has also now been cast in doubt. " Another reason to leave the EU,but why put the country first when your a remainer?No they just want to cause havoc because they cannot be in the corrupt EU | |||
"No international flights in or out the uk come on going overboard now it will never happen ffs What do you think will happen if any EU state block the most basic of leaving deals? Do you think that the whole world is just going to ignore international air transport regulations and violate EU airspace to land plans in the UK? Or do you think that the world going to say 'you got yourselves into this mess you get yourselves out, and here is the bill for the problems you have caused us'? You see the problem with the problem with the 'it will never happen' approach is when it does everyone is right royally screwed! And afterwards when everyone is looking to not be the scapegoat we get to hear 'lessons learned' line. But the lesson we never learn is that things that will never happen happen all the time! Personally I don't think the likes of Donald Trump would give a toss about so called 'EU airspace'. If the UK left the EU without a deal then planes coming from America over the Atlantic would go directly from American airspace into UK airspace flying directly over Northern Ireland and North of Northern Ireland. Same route for Canada and flights from South America would be taken. " Do you know anything at all about aviation law? I am guessing not. The CAA delegated almost all of its authority to EASA years ago and on a scale of 1-10 in being prepared to take over all UK airspace and airworthiness issues - they are at about 1. Further, U.K. airspace is currently EU airspace and so without a meaningful agreement with EASA (whenever the CAA has the manpower and ability to do it) the U.K. does not have the ability to contractually offer access to U.K. airspace to any aircraft (currently above Light Sport Aircraft size). In essence this means that UK airspace will be in legal limbo until such time as “a deal” is made with both EASA and the FAA and do no matter what Donald Trump thinks or wants aircraft will not fly into airspace that is not legally defined because the aircraft would not be insured to do so. What this actually means is that the CAA has to upscaled massively in the next 12 months and in this timeframe be in a position to make deals with IATA, EASA and every other Avation Agency that represents any country that wishes to fly into and from the U.K. Just this one sector of industry/commerce highlights the total idiocy of the “no deal” argument. The country would be devastated, not by anyone doing anything wrong - but by U.K. airspace becoming legally undefinable overnight. | |||
"The leader of Canada, Justin Trudeau said to Theresa May on the recent visit to London by Commonwealth leaders that Canada would do a separate equivalent EU-Canada deal with the UK after Brexit (maybe including more, such as deal on services). The way things are looking in the EU with Italy now, the UK could well have an agreement signed and fully ratified on a 1 to 1 basis with Canada before the EU does.
Yea! We get to replace a market of 450 million that is 20 odd miles away with a market of 37 million some 2500 to 7000 miles away.
What a great plan for the future! I'm surprised that it has taken so long for such an obvious way to improve our economy to have been spotted. I just cant understand why Canada would be wanting a trade deal with the EU when Australia is such an obviously more attractive market!
The EU market of 450 million people you quote includes the UK. UK has a population of around 65 million so once the UK leaves the EU, the EU market will be around 385 million.
Also the commonwealth which you so easily dismiss is home to around 1/3rd of the population of the whole world! IMF forecasts which remainers usually take as Gospel say that over the next 10 to 20 years the vast majority of world economic growth will come from outside of the EU.
Face it the EU is going down the tubes. "You keep on saying this but you keep ignoring the fact that India has what, approx a 7th of the world population, its part of the commonwealth. Guess what, they're not proportionally growing a middle class or affluent working class. In proportion to the western world they are not a growing market for us. They are sctually a source of outcompetition for us regarding services. Also its easy to say theres a lot f economic growth going on in the commonwealth and globally when you consider we are lifying about 2 billion people out of subsistance farmer levels of income to low skilled labour levels. What do these people provide us? Cheap machinary? We want high quality in small amounts as we are a sma but develpoed nation. Cheap food. Yes we can import it if we pass health risks onto our consumers. Honestly, can you actually find some statistical averages which disprove what I say? I always post this but you never respond. All your positive news comes from the already developed nations of the common wealth which are the minority of the population. | |||
"No international flights in or out the uk come on going overboard now it will never happen ffs What do you think will happen if any EU state block the most basic of leaving deals? Do you think that the whole world is just going to ignore international air transport regulations and violate EU airspace to land plans in the UK? Or do you think that the world going to say 'you got yourselves into this mess you get yourselves out, and here is the bill for the problems you have caused us'? You see the problem with the problem with the 'it will never happen' approach is when it does everyone is right royally screwed! And afterwards when everyone is looking to not be the scapegoat we get to hear 'lessons learned' line. But the lesson we never learn is that things that will never happen happen all the time! Personally I don't think the likes of Donald Trump would give a toss about so called 'EU airspace'. If the UK left the EU without a deal then planes coming from America over the Atlantic would go directly from American airspace into UK airspace flying directly over Northern Ireland and North of Northern Ireland. Same route for Canada and flights from South America would be taken. Do you know anything at all about aviation law? I am guessing not. The CAA delegated almost all of its authority to EASA years ago and on a scale of 1-10 in being prepared to take over all UK airspace and airworthiness issues - they are at about 1. Further, U.K. airspace is currently EU airspace and so without a meaningful agreement with EASA (whenever the CAA has the manpower and ability to do it) the U.K. does not have the ability to contractually offer access to U.K. airspace to any aircraft (currently above Light Sport Aircraft size). In essence this means that UK airspace will be in legal limbo until such time as “a deal” is made with both EASA and the FAA and do no matter what Donald Trump thinks or wants aircraft will not fly into airspace that is not legally defined because the aircraft would not be insured to do so. What this actually means is that the CAA has to upscaled massively in the next 12 months and in this timeframe be in a position to make deals with IATA, EASA and every other Avation Agency that represents any country that wishes to fly into and from the U.K. Just this one sector of industry/commerce highlights the total idiocy of the “no deal” argument. The country would be devastated, not by anyone doing anything wrong - but by U.K. airspace becoming legally undefinable overnight. " None of the airlines or for that matter those who invest in then seen too bothered. I think Ryanair have just announced additional investment in the UK. If we walkd out with no deal we would simply use part of the 49 billion saved to pay into the relevant regulatory bodies. At least we could then monitor what we are paying for and assess how effectively the money is spent. | |||
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"No international flights in or out the uk come on going overboard now it will never happen ffs What do you think will happen if any EU state block the most basic of leaving deals? Do you think that the whole world is just going to ignore international air transport regulations and violate EU airspace to land plans in the UK? Or do you think that the world going to say 'you got yourselves into this mess you get yourselves out, and here is the bill for the problems you have caused us'? You see the problem with the problem with the 'it will never happen' approach is when it does everyone is right royally screwed! And afterwards when everyone is looking to not be the scapegoat we get to hear 'lessons learned' line. But the lesson we never learn is that things that will never happen happen all the time! Personally I don't think the likes of Donald Trump would give a toss about so called 'EU airspace'. If the UK left the EU without a deal then planes coming from America over the Atlantic would go directly from American airspace into UK airspace flying directly over Northern Ireland and North of Northern Ireland. Same route for Canada and flights from South America would be taken. Do you know anything at all about aviation law? I am guessing not. The CAA delegated almost all of its authority to EASA years ago and on a scale of 1-10 in being prepared to take over all UK airspace and airworthiness issues - they are at about 1. Further, U.K. airspace is currently EU airspace and so without a meaningful agreement with EASA (whenever the CAA has the manpower and ability to do it) the U.K. does not have the ability to contractually offer access to U.K. airspace to any aircraft (currently above Light Sport Aircraft size). In essence this means that UK airspace will be in legal limbo until such time as “a deal” is made with both EASA and the FAA and do no matter what Donald Trump thinks or wants aircraft will not fly into airspace that is not legally defined because the aircraft would not be insured to do so. What this actually means is that the CAA has to upscaled massively in the next 12 months and in this timeframe be in a position to make deals with IATA, EASA and every other Avation Agency that represents any country that wishes to fly into and from the U.K. Just this one sector of industry/commerce highlights the total idiocy of the “no deal” argument. The country would be devastated, not by anyone doing anything wrong - but by U.K. airspace becoming legally undefinable overnight. None of the airlines or for that matter those who invest in then seen too bothered. I think Ryanair have just announced additional investment in the UK. If we walkd out with no deal we would simply use part of the 49 billion saved to pay into the relevant regulatory bodies. At least we could then monitor what we are paying for and assess how effectively the money is spent. " We haven't saved any money! It's cost us £100+bn already and we haven't even paid the divorce bill yet, ie the lump sum. We still have to pay into the pension pot until the 2060s and the PM has said she wants to continue to pay I to the science budget indefinitely. How can you honestly still come out with this kind of bollocks, when even the guy who ran the campaign has testified to parliament to say that he lied to you, didn't you facts and lead you up the garden path. For fucks sake, what is wrong with you lot? Seriously? Even after being told it was a lie by the guy who said it, you still believe it's true. Why??? | |||
"Bloody hell iv already book my hols for next summer best cancel now there’s going to be no more flights I’ll let Thomas cook know aswell lol" The defeatist scaremongering of Project Fear has reared it's ugly head again. Remain prophets of doom, gloom, Armageddon and grounded planes, lol. If Remainers think countries like Greece, Portugal and Spain who are already experiencing sky high unemployment rates and whose economies are highly dependent on tourism, will allow British planes packed full of UK tourists bound for their countries to be grounded, then frankly they are living in cloud cookoo land. | |||
"The leader of Canada, Justin Trudeau said to Theresa May on the recent visit to London by Commonwealth leaders that Canada would do a separate equivalent EU-Canada deal with the UK after Brexit (maybe including more, such as deal on services). The way things are looking in the EU with Italy now, the UK could well have an agreement signed and fully ratified on a 1 to 1 basis with Canada before the EU does.
Yea! We get to replace a market of 450 million that is 20 odd miles away with a market of 37 million some 2500 to 7000 miles away.
What a great plan for the future! I'm surprised that it has taken so long for such an obvious way to improve our economy to have been spotted. I just cant understand why Canada would be wanting a trade deal with the EU when Australia is such an obviously more attractive market!
The EU market of 450 million people you quote includes the UK. UK has a population of around 65 million so once the UK leaves the EU, the EU market will be around 385 million.
Also the commonwealth which you so easily dismiss is home to around 1/3rd of the population of the whole world! IMF forecasts which remainers usually take as Gospel say that over the next 10 to 20 years the vast majority of world economic growth will come from outside of the EU.
Face it the EU is going down the tubes.
You keep on saying this but you keep ignoring the fact that India has what, approx a 7th of the world population, its part of the commonwealth.
Guess what, they're not proportionally growing a middle class or affluent working class. In proportion to the western world they are not a growing market for us.
They are sctually a source of outcompetition for us regarding services.
Also its easy to say theres a lot f economic growth going on in the commonwealth and globally when you consider we are lifying about 2 billion people out of subsistance farmer levels of income to low skilled labour levels.
What do these people provide us? Cheap machinary? We want high quality in small amounts as we are a sma but develpoed nation.
Cheap food. Yes we can import it if we pass health risks onto our consumers.
Honestly, can you actually find some statistical averages which disprove what I say?
I always post this but you never respond. All your positive news comes from the already developed nations of the common wealth which are the minority of the population."Do you keep up on current events? Only reason I ask is because the new Home Secretary Sajid Javid has just removed the cap on highly skilled migrants from outside of the EU. In particular highly skilled Doctors from India which will be encouraged to come and work in the NHS. You've just basically trashed India in your post and said they have nothing to offer us. I suggest you go and have a chat with Sajid Javid or better still some managers in The NHS from Hospitals who are desperate for these Indian doctors. | |||
"No international flights in or out the uk come on going overboard now it will never happen ffs What do you think will happen if any EU state block the most basic of leaving deals? Do you think that the whole world is just going to ignore international air transport regulations and violate EU airspace to land plans in the UK? Or do you think that the world going to say 'you got yourselves into this mess you get yourselves out, and here is the bill for the problems you have caused us'? You see the problem with the problem with the 'it will never happen' approach is when it does everyone is right royally screwed! And afterwards when everyone is looking to not be the scapegoat we get to hear 'lessons learned' line. But the lesson we never learn is that things that will never happen happen all the time! Personally I don't think the likes of Donald Trump would give a toss about so called 'EU airspace'. If the UK left the EU without a deal then planes coming from America over the Atlantic would go directly from American airspace into UK airspace flying directly over Northern Ireland and North of Northern Ireland. Same route for Canada and flights from South America would be taken. Do you know anything at all about aviation law? I am guessing not. The CAA delegated almost all of its authority to EASA years ago and on a scale of 1-10 in being prepared to take over all UK airspace and airworthiness issues - they are at about 1. Further, U.K. airspace is currently EU airspace and so without a meaningful agreement with EASA (whenever the CAA has the manpower and ability to do it) the U.K. does not have the ability to contractually offer access to U.K. airspace to any aircraft (currently above Light Sport Aircraft size). In essence this means that UK airspace will be in legal limbo until such time as “a deal” is made with both EASA and the FAA and do no matter what Donald Trump thinks or wants aircraft will not fly into airspace that is not legally defined because the aircraft would not be insured to do so. What this actually means is that the CAA has to upscaled massively in the next 12 months and in this timeframe be in a position to make deals with IATA, EASA and every other Avation Agency that represents any country that wishes to fly into and from the U.K. Just this one sector of industry/commerce highlights the total idiocy of the “no deal” argument. The country would be devastated, not by anyone doing anything wrong - but by U.K. airspace becoming legally undefinable overnight. None of the airlines or for that matter those who invest in then seen too bothered. I think Ryanair have just announced additional investment in the UK. If we walkd out with no deal we would simply use part of the 49 billion saved to pay into the relevant regulatory bodies. At least we could then monitor what we are paying for and assess how effectively the money is spent. We haven't saved any money! It's cost us £100+bn already and we haven't even paid the divorce bill yet, ie the lump sum. We still have to pay into the pension pot until the 2060s and the PM has said she wants to continue to pay I to the science budget indefinitely. How can you honestly still come out with this kind of bollocks, when even the guy who ran the campaign has testified to parliament to say that he lied to you, didn't you facts and lead you up the garden path. For fucks sake, what is wrong with you lot? Seriously? Even after being told it was a lie by the guy who said it, you still believe it's true. Why???" Isn't it you telling lies here. Aaron Banks didn't run the official leave campaign. He ran a campaign that didn't even come 2nd place in the electoral commission selection process. His campaign was a bit part player, a sideshow which had zero, zilch, none, nil number of candidates on the televised debates during the referendum campaign. | |||
"No international flights in or out the uk come on going overboard now it will never happen ffs What do you think will happen if any EU state block the most basic of leaving deals? Do you think that the whole world is just going to ignore international air transport regulations and violate EU airspace to land plans in the UK? Or do you think that the world going to say 'you got yourselves into this mess you get yourselves out, and here is the bill for the problems you have caused us'? You see the problem with the problem with the 'it will never happen' approach is when it does everyone is right royally screwed! And afterwards when everyone is looking to not be the scapegoat we get to hear 'lessons learned' line. But the lesson we never learn is that things that will never happen happen all the time! Personally I don't think the likes of Donald Trump would give a toss about so called 'EU airspace'. If the UK left the EU without a deal then planes coming from America over the Atlantic would go directly from American airspace into UK airspace flying directly over Northern Ireland and North of Northern Ireland. Same route for Canada and flights from South America would be taken. Do you know anything at all about aviation law? I am guessing not. The CAA delegated almost all of its authority to EASA years ago and on a scale of 1-10 in being prepared to take over all UK airspace and airworthiness issues - they are at about 1. Further, U.K. airspace is currently EU airspace and so without a meaningful agreement with EASA (whenever the CAA has the manpower and ability to do it) the U.K. does not have the ability to contractually offer access to U.K. airspace to any aircraft (currently above Light Sport Aircraft size). In essence this means that UK airspace will be in legal limbo until such time as “a deal” is made with both EASA and the FAA and do no matter what Donald Trump thinks or wants aircraft will not fly into airspace that is not legally defined because the aircraft would not be insured to do so. What this actually means is that the CAA has to upscaled massively in the next 12 months and in this timeframe be in a position to make deals with IATA, EASA and every other Avation Agency that represents any country that wishes to fly into and from the U.K. Just this one sector of industry/commerce highlights the total idiocy of the “no deal” argument. The country would be devastated, not by anyone doing anything wrong - but by U.K. airspace becoming legally undefinable overnight. None of the airlines or for that matter those who invest in then seen too bothered. I think Ryanair have just announced additional investment in the UK. " actually ryanair have done the opposite... they are upscaling other european hubs to potentially take away jobs from stansted..... also if anyone has notice yet if they have bought either a holiday or a flight post apr 19.... it will likely have an asterix in the terms and cons saying they can't guarentee the flights will operate and they will not be held respeonsible if this causes issues with hotel bookings and bookings onto further connections.... see.... centy likes to call everything bad "project fear" when actually the reality of the aviation situation is that airline like to schedule 12 months in advance.....and yet we are now 9 months from the uk leaving "open skies" and nothing has been agreed post open skies... except the centys lover trump offering the uk government less landing slots for uk carriers to land at us airports!!!! people have been saying open skies had to be one of the first things agreed... heck michael o'leary, of whom i am no fan of, has been saying the same thing since the leaving date was announced and he has not budged of his position!!! he told you what would happen, he is preparing for what will happen... so when does project fear actually become just the truth staring you in the face and you being too blind or just too stubborn to actually notice! | |||
" Do you keep up on current events? Only reason I ask is because the new Home Secretary Sajid Javid has just removed the cap on highly skilled migrants from outside of the EU. In particular highly skilled Doctors from India which will be encouraged to come and work in the NHS. You've just basically trashed India in your post and said they have nothing to offer us. I suggest you go and have a chat with Sajid Javid or better still some managers in The NHS from Hospitals who are desperate for these Indian doctors. " and part of the reason that the NHS and jeremy hunt was desperate for this measure is that the amount of EU doctors they would normally get into the NHS had basically taken a dive off a cliff! doctors from outside the EU won't take up all the slack! if that is how you read whats going on try actually talking to people who work in the nhs! the grim truth is that the nhs relies on the backbone of EU staff.... about 10-15% of NHS staff come from the EU, especially in specialised areas such as radiology, all the stuff they hope to get in on the visa's wont cover a problem that is being compounded! | |||
" Do you keep up on current events? Only reason I ask is because the new Home Secretary Sajid Javid has just removed the cap on highly skilled migrants from outside of the EU. In particular highly skilled Doctors from India which will be encouraged to come and work in the NHS. You've just basically trashed India in your post and said they have nothing to offer us. I suggest you go and have a chat with Sajid Javid or better still some managers in The NHS from Hospitals who are desperate for these Indian doctors. and part of the reason that the NHS and jeremy hunt was desperate for this measure is that the amount of EU doctors they would normally get into the NHS had basically taken a dive off a cliff! doctors from outside the EU won't take up all the slack! if that is how you read whats going on try actually talking to people who work in the nhs! the grim truth is that the nhs relies on the backbone of EU staff.... about 10-15% of NHS staff come from the EU, especially in specialised areas such as radiology, all the stuff they hope to get in on the visa's wont cover a problem that is being compounded!" In July 2016 55,000 out 1.2 Million NHS staff were from the EU. https://fullfact.org/immigration/immigration-and-nhs-staff/ From the house of Commons library in Feb 2018, 62,000 NHS staff were from the EU. Doctors in Mar 2017 10,200 - 9.3% from EU In Feb 2018 10,599 - 9.6% Nurses in June 2016 7.4% In Feb 2018 7.1%. | |||
" Do you keep up on current events? Only reason I ask is because the new Home Secretary Sajid Javid has just removed the cap on highly skilled migrants from outside of the EU. In particular highly skilled Doctors from India which will be encouraged to come and work in the NHS. You've just basically trashed India in your post and said they have nothing to offer us. I suggest you go and have a chat with Sajid Javid or better still some managers in The NHS from Hospitals who are desperate for these Indian doctors. and part of the reason that the NHS and jeremy hunt was desperate for this measure is that the amount of EU doctors they would normally get into the NHS had basically taken a dive off a cliff! doctors from outside the EU won't take up all the slack! if that is how you read whats going on try actually talking to people who work in the nhs! the grim truth is that the nhs relies on the backbone of EU staff.... about 10-15% of NHS staff come from the EU, especially in specialised areas such as radiology, all the stuff they hope to get in on the visa's wont cover a problem that is being compounded! In July 2016 55,000 out 1.2 Million NHS staff were from the EU. https://fullfact.org/immigration/immigration-and-nhs-staff/ From the house of Commons library in Feb 2018, 62,000 NHS staff were from the EU. Doctors in Mar 2017 10,200 - 9.3% from EU In Feb 2018 10,599 - 9.6% Nurses in June 2016 7.4% In Feb 2018 7.1%. " I was just going to say the guy was talking bollocks but you put it much better  | |||
"Do you keep up on current events? Only reason I ask is because the new Home Secretary Sajid Javid has just removed the cap on highly skilled migrants from outside of the EU. In particular highly skilled Doctors from India which will be encouraged to come and work in the NHS. You've just basically trashed India in your post and said they have nothing to offer us. I suggest you go and have a chat with Sajid Javid or better still some managers in The NHS from Hospitals who are desperate for these Indian doctors. " Fantastic! we get doctors and nurses trained in tropical countries treating us... I guess we will have little or no worries if we have a malaria, dengue fever or Leishmaniasis. Not sure how well they will manage with European illnesses, but I am sure that after 1 or 2 years retraining they will be up to the job (shame we don't really have 1 or 2 years to spare). | |||
"Do you keep up on current events? Only reason I ask is because the new Home Secretary Sajid Javid has just removed the cap on highly skilled migrants from outside of the EU. In particular highly skilled Doctors from India which will be encouraged to come and work in the NHS. You've just basically trashed India in your post and said they have nothing to offer us. I suggest you go and have a chat with Sajid Javid or better still some managers in The NHS from Hospitals who are desperate for these Indian doctors. Fantastic! we get doctors and nurses trained in tropical countries treating us... I guess we will have little or no worries if we have a malaria, dengue fever or Leishmaniasis. Not sure how well they will manage with European illnesses, but I am sure that after 1 or 2 years retraining they will be up to the job (shame we don't really have 1 or 2 years to spare)." Shame government after government after government have failed our country and people by not investing in training our own, preferring instead to take trained people from countries that can ill afford to train others for us to take them. Amd then giving billions in foreign aid to those very same countries. | |||
" Do you keep up on current events? Only reason I ask is because the new Home Secretary Sajid Javid has just removed the cap on highly skilled migrants from outside of the EU. In particular highly skilled Doctors from India which will be encouraged to come and work in the NHS. You've just basically trashed India in your post and said they have nothing to offer us. I suggest you go and have a chat with Sajid Javid or better still some managers in The NHS from Hospitals who are desperate for these Indian doctors. and part of the reason that the NHS and jeremy hunt was desperate for this measure is that the amount of EU doctors they would normally get into the NHS had basically taken a dive off a cliff! doctors from outside the EU won't take up all the slack! if that is how you read whats going on try actually talking to people who work in the nhs! the grim truth is that the nhs relies on the backbone of EU staff.... about 10-15% of NHS staff come from the EU, especially in specialised areas such as radiology, all the stuff they hope to get in on the visa's wont cover a problem that is being compounded! In July 2016 55,000 out 1.2 Million NHS staff were from the EU. https://fullfact.org/immigration/immigration-and-nhs-staff/ From the house of Commons library in Feb 2018, 62,000 NHS staff were from the EU. Doctors in Mar 2017 10,200 - 9.3% from EU In Feb 2018 10,599 - 9.6% Nurses in June 2016 7.4% In Feb 2018 7.1%. I was just going to say the guy was talking bollocks but you put it much better "Fabio often talks bollox so it's no surprise. If Fabio thinks those figures is, in his words 'taking a dive off a cliff' then he is seriously deluded. | |||
"Do you keep up on current events? Only reason I ask is because the new Home Secretary Sajid Javid has just removed the cap on highly skilled migrants from outside of the EU. In particular highly skilled Doctors from India which will be encouraged to come and work in the NHS. You've just basically trashed India in your post and said they have nothing to offer us. I suggest you go and have a chat with Sajid Javid or better still some managers in The NHS from Hospitals who are desperate for these Indian doctors. Fantastic! we get doctors and nurses trained in tropical countries treating us... I guess we will have little or no worries if we have a malaria, dengue fever or Leishmaniasis. Not sure how well they will manage with European illnesses, but I am sure that after 1 or 2 years retraining they will be up to the job (shame we don't really have 1 or 2 years to spare)." Every GP Doctor I've ever had has been Indian. | |||
"Every GP Doctor I've ever had has been Indian. " Not sure what your saying or what your point is. Have they been Indian or of Indian extraction? Have they been trained in India or trained in Europe? And do you understand that to become a GP takes a qualified doctor at least 3 years training. | |||
"No international flights in or out the uk come on going overboard now it will never happen ffs Well, if we don't manage to negotiate a deal on several fronts that is exactly what will happen. Currently our aircraft and parts are safety certified by EASA. And abiding by the ECJ is a pre-requisite of membership at the very least. I have to say I've lost track of where we are with our plans on the ECJ... I can't remember if we've realised we have to stay a part of it or not. But we will need to negotiate membership back of the EASA or a similar body in order to safety certify our planes and parts. And if we don't there is way in hell our plans are going to be allowed to take off... let alone land anywhere. Then there is the issue of flying into the EU. At the moment we only have the right for UK carriers to fly into the EU by fact we are members of the EU. Once we leave, and unless we negotiate something else (and it is agreed by all) then UK carriers will simply not be legally able to fly into the EU. Now considering the aviation industry and tourism/travel industry need to be planning many months in advance, this is not looking all that promising right now. -Matt" That also means that EU planes will not be able to land in the UK so then all the EU countries will loose all flights also. Jyst saying it's not a one way issue. | |||
"You mean "our trade deal" is in doubt.
We're leaving. Remember there was a vote on it in 2016.
It’s still “our trade deal” at least until 2020
And then there is our exit deal and our trade deal with the EU to consider. Do you think that maybe Italy may decide to refuse to ratify any part of that? Is it possible that Italy will block everything thus resulting in there being no international flights in or out of the UK from the 30th March 2019? And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I wonder how many people could find themselves laid off overnight if that happened?
On a brighter note, as Centy says we are leaving the EU so it will not be our problem soon."Methinks Benidorm could be a bit quiet next Easter. | |||
"No international flights in or out the uk come on going overboard now it will never happen ffs What do you think will happen if any EU state block the most basic of leaving deals? Do you think that the whole world is just going to ignore international air transport regulations and violate EU airspace to land plans in the UK? Or do you think that the world going to say 'you got yourselves into this mess you get yourselves out, and here is the bill for the problems you have caused us'? You see the problem with the problem with the 'it will never happen' approach is when it does everyone is right royally screwed! And afterwards when everyone is looking to not be the scapegoat we get to hear 'lessons learned' line. But the lesson we never learn is that things that will never happen happen all the time! Personally I don't think the likes of Donald Trump would give a toss about so called 'EU airspace'. If the UK left the EU without a deal then planes coming from America over the Atlantic would go directly from American airspace into UK airspace flying directly over Northern Ireland and North of Northern Ireland. Same route for Canada and flights from South America would be taken. Do you know anything at all about aviation law? I am guessing not. The CAA delegated almost all of its authority to EASA years ago and on a scale of 1-10 in being prepared to take over all UK airspace and airworthiness issues - they are at about 1. Further, U.K. airspace is currently EU airspace and so without a meaningful agreement with EASA (whenever the CAA has the manpower and ability to do it) the U.K. does not have the ability to contractually offer access to U.K. airspace to any aircraft (currently above Light Sport Aircraft size). In essence this means that UK airspace will be in legal limbo until such time as “a deal” is made with both EASA and the FAA and do no matter what Donald Trump thinks or wants aircraft will not fly into airspace that is not legally defined because the aircraft would not be insured to do so. What this actually means is that the CAA has to upscaled massively in the next 12 months and in this timeframe be in a position to make deals with IATA, EASA and every other Avation Agency that represents any country that wishes to fly into and from the U.K. Just this one sector of industry/commerce highlights the total idiocy of the “no deal” argument. The country would be devastated, not by anyone doing anything wrong - but by U.K. airspace becoming legally undefinable overnight. " I've seen some red herrings over the years but this one is the equivalent of a red Tiger Shark. 
Firstly my little Benidorm quip above was only partly in jest.
Over 10 million Brits visit Spain every year. Does anyone really think that the Spanish are going to refuse to allow British planes to land? It's preposterous.
Secondly almost every trans Atlantic flight from Europe to north America passes through British airspace. If you don't believe me then just spend a few minutes on flight radar 24 or similar. Do you really think that Lufthansa or Air France are going to sit quietly while all their flights are re-routed?
On every subject the remainers like to imply that the EU have all the aces and Britain has nothing.
Every sanction (and make no mistake that is what they are) they can throw at Britain. Britain can throw one back.
Whether it be cars, food, wine or, as in this case, air travel. The EU have a hell of a lot to lose if they want to play silly buggers.
As Einstein said: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. | |||
" Do you keep up on current events? Only reason I ask is because the new Home Secretary Sajid Javid has just removed the cap on highly skilled migrants from outside of the EU. In particular highly skilled Doctors from India which will be encouraged to come and work in the NHS. You've just basically trashed India in your post and said they have nothing to offer us. I suggest you go and have a chat with Sajid Javid or better still some managers in The NHS from Hospitals who are desperate for these Indian doctors. and part of the reason that the NHS and jeremy hunt was desperate for this measure is that the amount of EU doctors they would normally get into the NHS had basically taken a dive off a cliff! doctors from outside the EU won't take up all the slack! if that is how you read whats going on try actually talking to people who work in the nhs! the grim truth is that the nhs relies on the backbone of EU staff.... about 10-15% of NHS staff come from the EU, especially in specialised areas such as radiology, all the stuff they hope to get in on the visa's wont cover a problem that is being compounded! In July 2016 55,000 out 1.2 Million NHS staff were from the EU. https://fullfact.org/immigration/immigration-and-nhs-staff/ From the house of Commons library in Feb 2018, 62,000 NHS staff were from the EU. Doctors in Mar 2017 10,200 - 9.3% from EU In Feb 2018 10,599 - 9.6% Nurses in June 2016 7.4% In Feb 2018 7.1%. I was just going to say the guy was talking bollocks but you put it much better
Fabio often talks bollox so it's no surprise. If Fabio thinks those figures is, in his words 'taking a dive off a cliff' then he is seriously deluded. "Actually the reason why I used the term taking a dive off a cliff is that the amount of new Eu medical staff registered has dropped by 96% and the amount of Eu staff leaving has increased 67% on last year....... nursing is suffering... midwifery is suffering... doctor number have suffered And if you think that doesn’t have an effect I would take a look at the number of Eu staff working in major city hospitals For example... around 20% of staff at the royal Brompton and at harefield, around 15% at papworth, around 10% at frimley Less coming more leaving and you think opening this up to non Eu will solve all the issues then you and your friends are delusional | |||
"Bloody hell iv already book my hols for next summer best cancel now there’s going to be no more flights I’ll let Thomas cook know aswell lol The defeatist scaremongering of Project Fear has reared it's ugly head again. Remain prophets of doom, gloom, Armageddon and grounded planes, lol. If Remainers think countries like Greece, Portugal and Spain who are already experiencing sky high unemployment rates and whose economies are highly dependent on tourism, will allow British planes packed full of UK tourists bound for their countries to be grounded, then frankly they are living in cloud cookoo land. " Yes. So the UK will have to NEGOTIATE. Firstly it needs to get the CAA up to speed and strength so that it is fit for purpose and able to conduct itself as the National Airspace and Airworthiness body. Secondly, the CAA will have to negotiate with EASA as to how UK airspace will be disconnected from EASA airspace and how the CAA will handle UK/EU carriers and respective airworthiness issues. You don't seem to understand that this is not about what people want it is about law. If the CAA is not able to negotiate with EASA then UK airspace and UK airworthiness become a legal black hole and without legal protection, aircraft cannot get insurance coverage. This all comes back to the very heart of the completely nonsensical statement of "no deal being better than a bad deal." | |||
"No international flights in or out the uk come on going overboard now it will never happen ffs What do you think will happen if any EU state block the most basic of leaving deals? Do you think that the whole world is just going to ignore international air transport regulations and violate EU airspace to land plans in the UK? Or do you think that the world going to say 'you got yourselves into this mess you get yourselves out, and here is the bill for the problems you have caused us'? You see the problem with the problem with the 'it will never happen' approach is when it does everyone is right royally screwed! And afterwards when everyone is looking to not be the scapegoat we get to hear 'lessons learned' line. But the lesson we never learn is that things that will never happen happen all the time! Personally I don't think the likes of Donald Trump would give a toss about so called 'EU airspace'. If the UK left the EU without a deal then planes coming from America over the Atlantic would go directly from American airspace into UK airspace flying directly over Northern Ireland and North of Northern Ireland. Same route for Canada and flights from South America would be taken. Do you know anything at all about aviation law? I am guessing not. The CAA delegated almost all of its authority to EASA years ago and on a scale of 1-10 in being prepared to take over all UK airspace and airworthiness issues - they are at about 1. Further, U.K. airspace is currently EU airspace and so without a meaningful agreement with EASA (whenever the CAA has the manpower and ability to do it) the U.K. does not have the ability to contractually offer access to U.K. airspace to any aircraft (currently above Light Sport Aircraft size). In essence this means that UK airspace will be in legal limbo until such time as “a deal” is made with both EASA and the FAA and do no matter what Donald Trump thinks or wants aircraft will not fly into airspace that is not legally defined because the aircraft would not be insured to do so. What this actually means is that the CAA has to upscaled massively in the next 12 months and in this timeframe be in a position to make deals with IATA, EASA and every other Avation Agency that represents any country that wishes to fly into and from the U.K. Just this one sector of industry/commerce highlights the total idiocy of the “no deal” argument. The country would be devastated, not by anyone doing anything wrong - but by U.K. airspace becoming legally undefinable overnight. None of the airlines or for that matter those who invest in then seen too bothered. I think Ryanair have just announced additional investment in the UK. If we walkd out with no deal we would simply use part of the 49 billion saved to pay into the relevant regulatory bodies. At least we could then monitor what we are paying for and assess how effectively the money is spent. We haven't saved any money! It's cost us £100+bn already and we haven't even paid the divorce bill yet, ie the lump sum. We still have to pay into the pension pot until the 2060s and the PM has said she wants to continue to pay I to the science budget indefinitely. How can you honestly still come out with this kind of bollocks, when even the guy who ran the campaign has testified to parliament to say that he lied to you, didn't you facts and lead you up the garden path. For fucks sake, what is wrong with you lot? Seriously? Even after being told it was a lie by the guy who said it, you still believe it's true. Why??? Isn't it you telling lies here. Aaron Banks didn't run the official leave campaign. He ran a campaign that didn't even come 2nd place in the electoral commission selection process. His campaign was a bit part player, a sideshow which had zero, zilch, none, nil number of candidates on the televised debates during the referendum campaign. " I never said he ran the "official" campaign | |||
"No international flights in or out the uk come on going overboard now it will never happen ffs What do you think will happen if any EU state block the most basic of leaving deals? Do you think that the whole world is just going to ignore international air transport regulations and violate EU airspace to land plans in the UK? Or do you think that the world going to say 'you got yourselves into this mess you get yourselves out, and here is the bill for the problems you have caused us'? You see the problem with the problem with the 'it will never happen' approach is when it does everyone is right royally screwed! And afterwards when everyone is looking to not be the scapegoat we get to hear 'lessons learned' line. But the lesson we never learn is that things that will never happen happen all the time! Personally I don't think the likes of Donald Trump would give a toss about so called 'EU airspace'. If the UK left the EU without a deal then planes coming from America over the Atlantic would go directly from American airspace into UK airspace flying directly over Northern Ireland and North of Northern Ireland. Same route for Canada and flights from South America would be taken. Do you know anything at all about aviation law? I am guessing not. The CAA delegated almost all of its authority to EASA years ago and on a scale of 1-10 in being prepared to take over all UK airspace and airworthiness issues - they are at about 1. Further, U.K. airspace is currently EU airspace and so without a meaningful agreement with EASA (whenever the CAA has the manpower and ability to do it) the U.K. does not have the ability to contractually offer access to U.K. airspace to any aircraft (currently above Light Sport Aircraft size). In essence this means that UK airspace will be in legal limbo until such time as “a deal” is made with both EASA and the FAA and do no matter what Donald Trump thinks or wants aircraft will not fly into airspace that is not legally defined because the aircraft would not be insured to do so. What this actually means is that the CAA has to upscaled massively in the next 12 months and in this timeframe be in a position to make deals with IATA, EASA and every other Avation Agency that represents any country that wishes to fly into and from the U.K. Just this one sector of industry/commerce highlights the total idiocy of the “no deal” argument. The country would be devastated, not by anyone doing anything wrong - but by U.K. airspace becoming legally undefinable overnight. I've seen some red herrings over the years but this one is the equivalent of a red Tiger Shark.
Firstly my little Benidorm quip above was only partly in jest.
Over 10 million Brits visit Spain every year. Does anyone really think that the Spanish are going to refuse to allow British planes to land? It's preposterous.
Secondly almost every trans Atlantic flight from Europe to north America passes through British airspace. If you don't believe me then just spend a few minutes on flight radar 24 or similar. Do you really think that Lufthansa or Air France are going to sit quietly while all their flights are re-routed?
On every subject the remainers like to imply that the EU have all the aces and Britain has nothing.
Every sanction (and make no mistake that is what they are) they can throw at Britain. Britain can throw one back.
Whether it be cars, food, wine or, as in this case, air travel. The EU have a hell of a lot to lose if they want to play silly buggers.
As Einstein said: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."There is not much wrong in your argument - assuming that the CAA is capable of once again becoming the nations airspace and airworthiness agency. The problem is that it is nowhere near ready or capable and this is why the UK needs to negotiate with the EU on many issues for long-term transitions (but this one in particular that we are debating). To leave with "no deal" puts UK airspace and airworthiness in legal limbo. What people may want is irrelevant because without legal certainty there cannot be insurance coverage and without insurance coverage aircraft won't fly. | |||
"No international flights in or out the uk come on going overboard now it will never happen ffs What do you think will happen if any EU state block the most basic of leaving deals? Do you think that the whole world is just going to ignore international air transport regulations and violate EU airspace to land plans in the UK? Or do you think that the world going to say 'you got yourselves into this mess you get yourselves out, and here is the bill for the problems you have caused us'? You see the problem with the problem with the 'it will never happen' approach is when it does everyone is right royally screwed! And afterwards when everyone is looking to not be the scapegoat we get to hear 'lessons learned' line. But the lesson we never learn is that things that will never happen happen all the time! Personally I don't think the likes of Donald Trump would give a toss about so called 'EU airspace'. If the UK left the EU without a deal then planes coming from America over the Atlantic would go directly from American airspace into UK airspace flying directly over Northern Ireland and North of Northern Ireland. Same route for Canada and flights from South America would be taken. Do you know anything at all about aviation law? I am guessing not. The CAA delegated almost all of its authority to EASA years ago and on a scale of 1-10 in being prepared to take over all UK airspace and airworthiness issues - they are at about 1. Further, U.K. airspace is currently EU airspace and so without a meaningful agreement with EASA (whenever the CAA has the manpower and ability to do it) the U.K. does not have the ability to contractually offer access to U.K. airspace to any aircraft (currently above Light Sport Aircraft size). In essence this means that UK airspace will be in legal limbo until such time as “a deal” is made with both EASA and the FAA and do no matter what Donald Trump thinks or wants aircraft will not fly into airspace that is not legally defined because the aircraft would not be insured to do so. What this actually means is that the CAA has to upscaled massively in the next 12 months and in this timeframe be in a position to make deals with IATA, EASA and every other Avation Agency that represents any country that wishes to fly into and from the U.K. Just this one sector of industry/commerce highlights the total idiocy of the “no deal” argument. The country would be devastated, not by anyone doing anything wrong - but by U.K. airspace becoming legally undefinable overnight. I've seen some red herrings over the years but this one is the equivalent of a red Tiger Shark.
Firstly my little Benidorm quip above was only partly in jest.
Over 10 million Brits visit Spain every year. Does anyone really think that the Spanish are going to refuse to allow British planes to land? It's preposterous.
Secondly almost every trans Atlantic flight from Europe to north America passes through British airspace. If you don't believe me then just spend a few minutes on flight radar 24 or similar. Do you really think that Lufthansa or Air France are going to sit quietly while all their flights are re-routed?
On every subject the remainers like to imply that the EU have all the aces and Britain has nothing.
Every sanction (and make no mistake that is what they are) they can throw at Britain. Britain can throw one back.
Whether it be cars, food, wine or, as in this case, air travel. The EU have a hell of a lot to lose if they want to play silly buggers.
As Einstein said: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
There is not much wrong in your argument - assuming that the CAA is capable of once again becoming the nations airspace and airworthiness agency. The problem is that it is nowhere near ready or capable and this is why the UK needs to negotiate with the EU on many issues for long-term transitions (but this one in particular that we are debating).
To leave with "no deal" puts UK airspace and airworthiness in legal limbo. What people may want is irrelevant because without legal certainty there cannot be insurance coverage and without insurance coverage aircraft won't fly."That is probably true. However it isn't beyond the realms of possibility (or more likely probability) that, even in the case of no deal, neither side will allow it to happen. Of course there are lots of things to be ironed out and most will be. But to say that no-one will be able to fly in or out of Britain on 30th March next year is ridiculous and nothing more than blatant scare mongering.. | |||
"But to say that no-one will be able to fly in or out of Britain on 30th March next year is ridiculous and nothing more than blatant scare mongering.. " Really? I would say to refuse to acknowledge that there is a potential for the grounding of all commercial air movements through UK airspace is folly. I for one can see a situation arising where international flights are diverted to EU hubs and UK passengers have to use road rail and ferries to get to EU hubs to catch international flights. This outcome may be unlikely but the fact is commercial air transport like many other vital services are now run by the EU and I have seen no signs that our government are preparing to take over running them. In fact the inaction is astounding and the lack of any government statements on the subject is deafening and in no way reassuring. But you are right questioning our preparedness is nothing but project fear, we have nothing to worry about (and your perfectly OK in Germany, or is it Spain?). | |||
"The leader of Canada, Justin Trudeau said to Theresa May on the recent visit to London by Commonwealth leaders that Canada would do a separate equivalent EU-Canada deal with the UK after Brexit (maybe including more, such as deal on services). The way things are looking in the EU with Italy now, the UK could well have an agreement signed and fully ratified on a 1 to 1 basis with Canada before the EU does.
Yea! We get to replace a market of 450 million that is 20 odd miles away with a market of 37 million some 2500 to 7000 miles away.
What a great plan for the future! I'm surprised that it has taken so long for such an obvious way to improve our economy to have been spotted. I just cant understand why Canada would be wanting a trade deal with the EU when Australia is such an obviously more attractive market!
The EU market of 450 million people you quote includes the UK. UK has a population of around 65 million so once the UK leaves the EU, the EU market will be around 385 million.
Also the commonwealth which you so easily dismiss is home to around 1/3rd of the population of the whole world! IMF forecasts which remainers usually take as Gospel say that over the next 10 to 20 years the vast majority of world economic growth will come from outside of the EU.
Face it the EU is going down the tubes.
You keep on saying this but you keep ignoring the fact that India has what, approx a 7th of the world population, its part of the commonwealth.
Guess what, they're not proportionally growing a middle class or affluent working class. In proportion to the western world they are not a growing market for us.
They are sctually a source of outcompetition for us regarding services.
Also its easy to say theres a lot f economic growth going on in the commonwealth and globally when you consider we are lifying about 2 billion people out of subsistance farmer levels of income to low skilled labour levels.
What do these people provide us? Cheap machinary? We want high quality in small amounts as we are a sma but develpoed nation.
Cheap food. Yes we can import it if we pass health risks onto our consumers.
Honestly, can you actually find some statistical averages which disprove what I say?
I always post this but you never respond. All your positive news comes from the already developed nations of the common wealth which are the minority of the population.
Do you keep up on current events? Only reason I ask is because the new Home Secretary Sajid Javid has just removed the cap on highly skilled migrants from outside of the EU. In particular highly skilled Doctors from India which will be encouraged to come and work in the NHS. You've just basically trashed India in your post and said they have nothing to offer us. I suggest you go and have a chat with Sajid Javid or better still some managers in The NHS from Hospitals who are desperate for these Indian doctors. "I'm on about bloody trade. Any nation which is industrialised can offer us medical or STEM professionals - of course they'll come here we have high demand + plus do not train enough of our own so they get an inflated wage compared to their native countries. So I ask again, purely on the basis of material goods and consumer services, what can India offer us that meets our current standards? In addition you didn't address the other point to the question. What do they want from us which we can supply as a large market? Rolls Royce, maybe our exports will increase in cars by aout 5%? Not economy changing though is it? Given that India still operates under a caste system outside of international companies and government departments, I cannot see them suddenly growing their affluent working consumer class or their middle class proportionally. Address the issues in full. | |||
"Do you keep up on current events? Only reason I ask is because the new Home Secretary Sajid Javid has just removed the cap on highly skilled migrants from outside of the EU. In particular highly skilled Doctors from India which will be encouraged to come and work in the NHS. You've just basically trashed India in your post and said they have nothing to offer us. I suggest you go and have a chat with Sajid Javid or better still some managers in The NHS from Hospitals who are desperate for these Indian doctors. Fantastic! we get doctors and nurses trained in tropical countries treating us... I guess we will have little or no worries if we have a malaria, dengue fever or Leishmaniasis. Not sure how well they will manage with European illnesses, but I am sure that after 1 or 2 years retraining they will be up to the job (shame we don't really have 1 or 2 years to spare). Shame government after government after government have failed our country and people by not investing in training our own, preferring instead to take trained people from countries that can ill afford to train others for us to take them. Amd then giving billions in foreign aid to those very same countries." Well we now we actually have a clear agreement on an issue. This is the issue though, every pro-brexit argument about immigration, and skill training shortages and disparity boils down to: "Well the government in power didn't address what skills we really need and fund the training appropriately for ouur own citizens, so the public and private sector became overly reliant on immigration, and this doesn't work for that decently educated working class kid who could be trained as a computer programmer, radiologist ect if the state provided better resources. So I'm fed up of this and I'm going to vote to rage quit out of an organisation which will have little positive impact on these issues." | |||
" Do you keep up on current events? Only reason I ask is because the new Home Secretary Sajid Javid has just removed the cap on highly skilled migrants from outside of the EU. In particular highly skilled Doctors from India which will be encouraged to come and work in the NHS. You've just basically trashed India in your post and said they have nothing to offer us. I suggest you go and have a chat with Sajid Javid or better still some managers in The NHS from Hospitals who are desperate for these Indian doctors. and part of the reason that the NHS and jeremy hunt was desperate for this measure is that the amount of EU doctors they would normally get into the NHS had basically taken a dive off a cliff! doctors from outside the EU won't take up all the slack! if that is how you read whats going on try actually talking to people who work in the nhs! the grim truth is that the nhs relies on the backbone of EU staff.... about 10-15% of NHS staff come from the EU, especially in specialised areas such as radiology, all the stuff they hope to get in on the visa's wont cover a problem that is being compounded! In July 2016 55,000 out 1.2 Million NHS staff were from the EU. https://fullfact.org/immigration/immigration-and-nhs-staff/ From the house of Commons library in Feb 2018, 62,000 NHS staff were from the EU. Doctors in Mar 2017 10,200 - 9.3% from EU In Feb 2018 10,599 - 9.6% Nurses in June 2016 7.4% In Feb 2018 7.1%. I was just going to say the guy was talking bollocks but you put it much better
Fabio often talks bollox so it's no surprise. If Fabio thinks those figures is, in his words 'taking a dive off a cliff' then he is seriously deluded.
Actually the reason why I used the term taking a dive off a cliff is that the amount of new Eu medical staff registered has dropped by 96% and the amount of Eu staff leaving has increased 67% on last year....... nursing is suffering... midwifery is suffering... doctor number have suffered
And if you think that doesn’t have an effect I would take a look at the number of Eu staff working in major city hospitals
For example... around 20% of staff at the royal Brompton and at harefield, around 15% at papworth, around 10% at frimley
Less coming more leaving and you think opening this up to non Eu will solve all the issues then you and your friends are delusional "What's 15% of 1.2 Million? 55,000? 62,000? Or 180,000? There were, at the time of the referendum, 55,000 EU citizens employed in the NHS. This has since increased by 10% to 62,000. These are official figures. However, at your 15% of NHS staff come from other EU countries statement, there would have to be 180,000 employed. You're wrong. There aren't. | |||
" Do you keep up on current events? Only reason I ask is because the new Home Secretary Sajid Javid has just removed the cap on highly skilled migrants from outside of the EU. In particular highly skilled Doctors from India which will be encouraged to come and work in the NHS. You've just basically trashed India in your post and said they have nothing to offer us. I suggest you go and have a chat with Sajid Javid or better still some managers in The NHS from Hospitals who are desperate for these Indian doctors. and part of the reason that the NHS and jeremy hunt was desperate for this measure is that the amount of EU doctors they would normally get into the NHS had basically taken a dive off a cliff! doctors from outside the EU won't take up all the slack! if that is how you read whats going on try actually talking to people who work in the nhs! the grim truth is that the nhs relies on the backbone of EU staff.... about 10-15% of NHS staff come from the EU, especially in specialised areas such as radiology, all the stuff they hope to get in on the visa's wont cover a problem that is being compounded! In July 2016 55,000 out 1.2 Million NHS staff were from the EU. https://fullfact.org/immigration/immigration-and-nhs-staff/ From the house of Commons library in Feb 2018, 62,000 NHS staff were from the EU. Doctors in Mar 2017 10,200 - 9.3% from EU In Feb 2018 10,599 - 9.6% Nurses in June 2016 7.4% In Feb 2018 7.1%. I was just going to say the guy was talking bollocks but you put it much better
Fabio often talks bollox so it's no surprise. If Fabio thinks those figures is, in his words 'taking a dive off a cliff' then he is seriously deluded.
Actually the reason why I used the term taking a dive off a cliff is that the amount of new Eu medical staff registered has dropped by 96% and the amount of Eu staff leaving has increased 67% on last year....... nursing is suffering... midwifery is suffering... doctor number have suffered
And if you think that doesn’t have an effect I would take a look at the number of Eu staff working in major city hospitals
For example... around 20% of staff at the royal Brompton and at harefield, around 15% at papworth, around 10% at frimley
Less coming more leaving and you think opening this up to non Eu will solve all the issues then you and your friends are delusional
What's 15% of 1.2 Million?
55,000?
62,000?
Or 180,000?
There were, at the time of the referendum, 55,000 EU citizens employed in the NHS. This has since increased by 10% to 62,000.
These are official figures.
However, at your 15% of NHS staff come from other EU countries statement, there would have to be 180,000 employed.
You're wrong. There aren't. "The numbers have increased from 58698 to 61974. However there has been a decrease in the number of “nationality unknowns” so any changes which didn’t account for this should be regarded with due scepticism Allowing for this the make up has been broadly stable (5.5% versus 5.6%) However there has been a fall (as a %) of Eu joiners and an increase in leavers. So maybe the balance will change, but I suspect it will take time for this to play through if it is a persistent trend. This effect is most pronounced within the nurse population. | |||
"But to say that no-one will be able to fly in or out of Britain on 30th March next year is ridiculous and nothing more than blatant scare mongering.. Really? I would say to refuse to acknowledge that there is a potential for the grounding of all commercial air movements through UK airspace is folly. I for one can see a situation arising where international flights are diverted to EU hubs and UK passengers have to use road rail and ferries to get to EU hubs to catch international flights. This outcome may be unlikely but the fact is commercial air transport like many other vital services are now run by the EU and I have seen no signs that our government are preparing to take over running them. In fact the inaction is astounding and the lack of any government statements on the subject is deafening and in no way reassuring. But you are right questioning our preparedness is nothing but project fear, we have nothing to worry about (and your perfectly OK in Germany, or is it Spain?). " I could live on the bloody moon but I'm still entitled to have my say. 
So you think that pretty much every European flag carrier is going to sit nicely while all their trans Atlantic flights a re-routed! If they can be at all.
Or are you counting on the British government rolling over and letting the EU ban British flights without retaliation?
Then again if comrade Jezza is in charge then that could be a possibility.  | |||
" Do you keep up on current events? Only reason I ask is because the new Home Secretary Sajid Javid has just removed the cap on highly skilled migrants from outside of the EU. In particular highly skilled Doctors from India which will be encouraged to come and work in the NHS. You've just basically trashed India in your post and said they have nothing to offer us. I suggest you go and have a chat with Sajid Javid or better still some managers in The NHS from Hospitals who are desperate for these Indian doctors. and part of the reason that the NHS and jeremy hunt was desperate for this measure is that the amount of EU doctors they would normally get into the NHS had basically taken a dive off a cliff! doctors from outside the EU won't take up all the slack! if that is how you read whats going on try actually talking to people who work in the nhs! the grim truth is that the nhs relies on the backbone of EU staff.... about 10-15% of NHS staff come from the EU, especially in specialised areas such as radiology, all the stuff they hope to get in on the visa's wont cover a problem that is being compounded! In July 2016 55,000 out 1.2 Million NHS staff were from the EU. https://fullfact.org/immigration/immigration-and-nhs-staff/ From the house of Commons library in Feb 2018, 62,000 NHS staff were from the EU. Doctors in Mar 2017 10,200 - 9.3% from EU In Feb 2018 10,599 - 9.6% Nurses in June 2016 7.4% In Feb 2018 7.1%. I was just going to say the guy was talking bollocks but you put it much better
Fabio often talks bollox so it's no surprise. If Fabio thinks those figures is, in his words 'taking a dive off a cliff' then he is seriously deluded.
Actually the reason why I used the term taking a dive off a cliff is that the amount of new Eu medical staff registered has dropped by 96% and the amount of Eu staff leaving has increased 67% on last year....... nursing is suffering... midwifery is suffering... doctor number have suffered
And if you think that doesn’t have an effect I would take a look at the number of Eu staff working in major city hospitals
For example... around 20% of staff at the royal Brompton and at harefield, around 15% at papworth, around 10% at frimley
Less coming more leaving and you think opening this up to non Eu will solve all the issues then you and your friends are delusional
What's 15% of 1.2 Million?
55,000?
62,000?
Or 180,000?
There were, at the time of the referendum, 55,000 EU citizens employed in the NHS. This has since increased by 10% to 62,000.
These are official figures.
However, at your 15% of NHS staff come from other EU countries statement, there would have to be 180,000 employed.
You're wrong. There aren't. "Does this include agency staff? They aren't directly employed by the nhs, hence they wouldn't appear in the official figures. Plus, agency staff is quite expensive, compared to what the nhs pays staff directly employed by them, which is why some people prefer to work for the nhs "indirectly", whatever their nationality. | |||
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"Nice of them to let people drown...that's populism for you. " How many would have drowned if they’d turned the first boat back? | |||
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"Brexiters: We dont need to do a deal! We'd be fine without one!! Remainers: All our flights would be grounded. Brexiters: Thats just project Fear, we'll do a deal to fix it. Remainers: But you said we'd be fine without a deal. Brexiters: Exactly!! No deal, two fingers to the EU!! Remainers: And the planes? Brexiters: Yeah, we'll just do a deal" A bit like a brexiter on here the other day saying we should walk away from the negotiating table, so the EU would be desperate to do a deal with us. | |||
"It is strange how all the investors in the airlines are not to concerned about what will happen to flights after we leave the EU. There are probably two groups of people in life. a. Those who moan and groan and achieve nothing . b. Those who prefer solutions to problems and achieve results. The ideas of flights being stopped after Brexit is laughable. As a reality check I checked the share price of all major airlines based in the UK yesterday. . " again you may what to check what michael o'leary has said on the subject... you might want to check what the CEO of easyjet have said on the subject.... you might want to check what the head of IAG (who are the parent company of BA) have said..... again at the moment buy a flight from april 2019 onward and see the special next provision being put on flight tickets to protect themselves.... “This flight is subject to the regulatory environment allowing the flight to take place.” that is what people are talking about.... | |||
"It is strange how all the investors in the airlines are not to concerned about what will happen to flights after we leave the EU. There are probably two groups of people in life. a. Those who moan and groan and achieve nothing . b. Those who prefer solutions to problems and achieve results. The ideas of flights being stopped after Brexit is laughable. As a reality check I checked the share price of all major airlines based in the UK yesterday. . " There are 2 types people, those who diligently weigh up the options and make an informed decision, and those who ignore all the experts and support the side that admits they lied to everyone and lead them up the garden path. | |||
"I don't know or care....the point remains that populism is all about compassion for the ordinary working class man or woman who are fed up and have had enough. Except when they are "foreign".. in which case fuck them they deserved it. You can't see your own stupidity nor can you admit that you've been played for a fool in buying the "fed up" narrative spun to you by the people working against you but ten steps ahead. But keep championing the greater good theory Alan Turing. "You don’t know or care. At least that’s honest. You don’t know what populism is either. If such a thing even exists | |||
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"I don't know or care....the point remains that populism is all about compassion for the ordinary working class man or woman who are fed up and have had enough. Except when they are "foreign".. in which case fuck them they deserved it. You can't see your own stupidity nor can you admit that you've been played for a fool in buying the "fed up" narrative spun to you by the people working against you but ten steps ahead. But keep championing the greater good theory Alan Turing. "Are you feeling ok? Only you just managed to construct an entire post without having a go a feminism. I'm shocked | |||
"I know more about it than you I think Ben. Tell me about all your unique opinions that you came up with all on your own. " I wouldn’t be arrogant enough to assume I had unique opinions. What are yours? | |||
" Are you feeling ok? Only you just managed to construct an entire post without having a go a feminism. I'm shocked "Populism and feminism are the same thing....fear of an exaggerated enemy, extreme gullibility, a love of false dogma, an erosion of truth all ending with a lack of compassion bordering on hatred for anyone but your preferred club. Conducted by the disturbed and malevolent and followed by an army of low to average intelligence lemmings who couldn't think their way out of a paper bag. | |||
" Are you feeling ok? Only you just managed to construct an entire post without having a go a feminism. I'm shocked
Populism and feminism are the same thing....fear of an exaggerated enemy, extreme gullibility, a love of false dogma, an erosion of truth all ending with a lack of compassion bordering on hatred for anyone but your preferred club.
Conducted by the disturbed and malevolent and followed by an army of low to average intelligence lemmings who couldn't think their way out of a paper bag. "It's called freedom of choice and democracy, sorry if that doesn't fit well with you. That's the problem with the EU, it absolutely refuses to accommodate any alternative point of view or any deviation from its desireed path. Lack of freedom and lack of choice, individuality must be crushed, and individual nation states must be crushed to conform under one EU flag, one EU anthem and one centralised power base parliament in Brussels. If anyone is guilty of a lemming like mentality here it is those who blindly follow the EU. The UK has chosen to be different though, through means of a peaceful democratic vote, Brexit has chucked a huge wrench in the engine of the EU steam roller. Your EU steam roller is now coughing and spluttering like and old banger spewing parts (Italy) out all over the road. The EU has become outdated (much like your views on feminism) and is no longer fit for purpose in the modern world. The EU is a 20th century idea that no longer works in the 21st century. | |||
" Are you feeling ok? Only you just managed to construct an entire post without having a go a feminism. I'm shocked
Populism and feminism are the same thing....fear of an exaggerated enemy, extreme gullibility, a love of false dogma, an erosion of truth all ending with a lack of compassion bordering on hatred for anyone but your preferred club.
Conducted by the disturbed and malevolent and followed by an army of low to average intelligence lemmings who couldn't think their way out of a paper bag.
It's called freedom of choice and democracy, sorry if that doesn't fit well with you. That's the problem with the EU, it absolutely refuses to accommodate any alternative point of view or any deviation from its desireed path. Lack of freedom and lack of choice, individuality must be crushed, and individual nation states must be crushed to conform under one EU flag, one EU anthem and one centralised power base parliament in Brussels. If anyone is guilty of a lemming like mentality here it is those who blindly follow the EU. The UK has chosen to be different though, through means of a peaceful democratic vote, Brexit has chucked a huge wrench in the engine of the EU steam roller. Your EU steam roller is now coughing and spluttering like and old banger spewing parts (Italy) out all over the road. The EU has become outdated (much like your views on feminism) and is no longer fit for purpose in the modern world. The EU is a 20th century idea that no longer works in the 21st century. "The irony being you’re refusing accommodate another’s point if view... | |||
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"The leader of Canada, Justin Trudeau said to Theresa May on the recent visit to London by Commonwealth leaders that Canada would do a separate equivalent EU-Canada deal with the UK after Brexit (maybe including more, such as deal on services). The way things are looking in the EU with Italy now, the UK could well have an agreement signed and fully ratified on a 1 to 1 basis with Canada before the EU does.
Yea! We get to replace a market of 450 million that is 20 odd miles away with a market of 37 million some 2500 to 7000 miles away.
What a great plan for the future! I'm surprised that it has taken so long for such an obvious way to improve our economy to have been spotted. I just cant understand why Canada would be wanting a trade deal with the EU when Australia is such an obviously more attractive market!
The EU market of 450 million people you quote includes the UK. UK has a population of around 65 million so once the UK leaves the EU, the EU market will be around 385 million.
Also the commonwealth which you so easily dismiss is home to around 1/3rd of the population of the whole world! IMF forecasts which remainers usually take as Gospel say that over the next 10 to 20 years the vast majority of world economic growth will come from outside of the EU.
Face it the EU is going down the tubes.
You keep on saying this but you keep ignoring the fact that India has what, approx a 7th of the world population, its part of the commonwealth.
Guess what, they're not proportionally growing a middle class or affluent working class. In proportion to the western world they are not a growing market for us.
They are sctually a source of outcompetition for us regarding services.
Also its easy to say theres a lot f economic growth going on in the commonwealth and globally when you consider we are lifying about 2 billion people out of subsistance farmer levels of income to low skilled labour levels.
What do these people provide us? Cheap machinary? We want high quality in small amounts as we are a sma but develpoed nation.
Cheap food. Yes we can import it if we pass health risks onto our consumers.
Honestly, can you actually find some statistical averages which disprove what I say?
I always post this but you never respond. All your positive news comes from the already developed nations of the common wealth which are the minority of the population.
Do you keep up on current events? Only reason I ask is because the new Home Secretary Sajid Javid has just removed the cap on highly skilled migrants from outside of the EU. In particular highly skilled Doctors from India which will be encouraged to come and work in the NHS. You've just basically trashed India in your post and said they have nothing to offer us. I suggest you go and have a chat with Sajid Javid or better still some managers in The NHS from Hospitals who are desperate for these Indian doctors.
I'm on about bloody trade.
Any nation which is industrialised can offer us medical or STEM professionals - of course they'll come here we have high demand + plus do not train enough of our own so they get an inflated wage compared to their native countries.
So I ask again, purely on the basis of material goods and consumer services, what can India offer us that meets our current standards?
In addition you didn't address the other point to the question.
What do they want from us which we can supply as a large market?
Rolls Royce, maybe our exports will increase in cars by aout 5%? Not economy changing though is it?
Given that India still operates under a caste system outside of international companies and government departments, I cannot see them suddenly growing their affluent working consumer class or their middle class proportionally.
Address the issues in full."Who is it that has a large stake in Jaguar/Land Rover and has been instrumental in the turn around of its fortunes since 2008? The answer is India, more specifically the Indian company Tata motors who invested heavily in the company. Tata steel also invested heavily in the UK steel industry. India can offer the UK a lot in terms of business investment and business partnerships (besides Doctors for the NHS). India is projected and forecast to be one of the world's future powerhouse economies. Jaguar/Land Rover is doing very well from its links with India. As mentioned on the other thread about wetherspoons pubs ditching EU champagne, wines and beers in favour of products from the UK and outside of the EU, Indian beer companies like Kingfisher beer and Cobra beer also sell their products here in the UK. They may be licensed and brewed here in the UK but they are Indian companies who own the brand. It's also looking increasingly likely that the UK will now leave the EU Galileo GPS satellite project. Theresa May and chancellor Philip Hammond have already indicated that in this event the UK would look to launch its own GPS satellite project with other partners like Australia. Other partners in the commonwealth could also invest in and join this project and considering that India has its own Space programme could be a likely partner. A commonwealth based GPS satellite project consisting of UK, Australia, India and others could be very good for both UK and Indian business and could lead to hundreds of millions (possibly billions) of pounds in new Investments and business partnerships between UK and Indian companies. | |||
"Does the concept of maybe ever cross your mind? The EU may be a "basket case" and you will be right in the long term....but MAYBE you are wrong and the EU will continue just fine? Is it arrogance or vanity or stupidity that leads people to 100% certainty in far fetched outcomes? What are your confidence limits? Is it a need to believe?" "Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies" - Nietzsche | |||
"So many examples of how Brexit has been taken over by a fog of ideological dogma. Such is the need for Brexiters to justify their choices that everything and anything to do with The EU is now described in derogatory, bordering on hateful terms. It is a perfectly reasonable assumption to think that a huge percentage of Brexiters have forgotten that the agenda for Brexit should have been... “Will the United Kingdom be better remaining in the Eu, or leaving it.” Now It has become so personal to so many that it appears to be about destroying any EU involvement in U.K. life because to be supportive of anything to to with the EU is seen as an act of Brexit betrayal. We need to stop this ideological battle of wills and think about what is going to be best for the country and everyone who lives here. Demanding that Brexit happens quickly and at any cost is truly an act of betrayal to this country and those who make such demands appear to be forgetting about the country at large and focusing purely on their own ideological obsessions. A perfect example of this dogmatic ridiculousness is the way that Dominic Grieve is being treated in certain quarters. The Govt have thus far done a terrible job in the Brexit negotiations and his bill amendment would hold them to account if they continued to deliver poorly. If they suddenly delivered a great Brexit then his bill amendment would be moot. He is though getting hammered as a traitor and great betrayer simply because he is thinking and he cares. It really is time to dial back all of this ideological fog and everyone to recognise that both sides now have to compromise in order for the country as a whole to progress." Exactly! All the government has to do is go and get the a good deal for the country. If they do that, they have no amendments/votes in the parliament to worry about. But, instead of being in Brussels to push a unified, clear position, they've been here fighting with each other for the last 2 years. This war on Grieve is, clearly, stemming from the hard line Brexiteers, who would rather we left with no deal, regardless of whether a good deal was available, and this is exactly what they're pursuing by making sure there's no meaningful way out of it. | |||
"The leader of Canada, Justin Trudeau said to Theresa May on the recent visit to London by Commonwealth leaders that Canada would do a separate equivalent EU-Canada deal with the UK after Brexit (maybe including more, such as deal on services). The way things are looking in the EU with Italy now, the UK could well have an agreement signed and fully ratified on a 1 to 1 basis with Canada before the EU does.
Yea! We get to replace a market of 450 million that is 20 odd miles away with a market of 37 million some 2500 to 7000 miles away.
What a great plan for the future! I'm surprised that it has taken so long for such an obvious way to improve our economy to have been spotted. I just cant understand why Canada would be wanting a trade deal with the EU when Australia is such an obviously more attractive market!
The EU market of 450 million people you quote includes the UK. UK has a population of around 65 million so once the UK leaves the EU, the EU market will be around 385 million.
Also the commonwealth which you so easily dismiss is home to around 1/3rd of the population of the whole world! IMF forecasts which remainers usually take as Gospel say that over the next 10 to 20 years the vast majority of world economic growth will come from outside of the EU.
Face it the EU is going down the tubes.
You keep on saying this but you keep ignoring the fact that India has what, approx a 7th of the world population, its part of the commonwealth.
Guess what, they're not proportionally growing a middle class or affluent working class. In proportion to the western world they are not a growing market for us.
They are sctually a source of outcompetition for us regarding services.
Also its easy to say theres a lot f economic growth going on in the commonwealth and globally when you consider we are lifying about 2 billion people out of subsistance farmer levels of income to low skilled labour levels.
What do these people provide us? Cheap machinary? We want high quality in small amounts as we are a sma but develpoed nation.
Cheap food. Yes we can import it if we pass health risks onto our consumers.
Honestly, can you actually find some statistical averages which disprove what I say?
I always post this but you never respond. All your positive news comes from the already developed nations of the common wealth which are the minority of the population.
Do you keep up on current events? Only reason I ask is because the new Home Secretary Sajid Javid has just removed the cap on highly skilled migrants from outside of the EU. In particular highly skilled Doctors from India which will be encouraged to come and work in the NHS. You've just basically trashed India in your post and said they have nothing to offer us. I suggest you go and have a chat with Sajid Javid or better still some managers in The NHS from Hospitals who are desperate for these Indian doctors.
I'm on about bloody trade.
Any nation which is industrialised can offer us medical or STEM professionals - of course they'll come here we have high demand + plus do not train enough of our own so they get an inflated wage compared to their native countries.
So I ask again, purely on the basis of material goods and consumer services, what can India offer us that meets our current standards?
In addition you didn't address the other point to the question.
What do they want from us which we can supply as a large market?
Rolls Royce, maybe our exports will increase in cars by aout 5%? Not economy changing though is it?
Given that India still operates under a caste system outside of international companies and government departments, I cannot see them suddenly growing their affluent working consumer class or their middle class proportionally.
Address the issues in full.
Who is it that has a large stake in Jaguar/Land Rover and has been instrumental in the turn around of its fortunes since 2008? The answer is India, more specifically the Indian company Tata motors who invested heavily in the company. Tata steel also invested heavily in the UK steel industry. India can offer the UK a lot in terms of business investment and business partnerships (besides Doctors for the NHS). India is projected and forecast to be one of the world's future powerhouse economies. Jaguar/Land Rover is doing very well from its links with India. As mentioned on the other thread about wetherspoons pubs ditching EU champagne, wines and beers in favour of products from the UK and outside of the EU, Indian beer companies like Kingfisher beer and Cobra beer also sell their products here in the UK. They may be licensed and brewed here in the UK but they are Indian companies who own the brand. It's also looking increasingly likely that the UK will now leave the EU Galileo GPS satellite project. Theresa May and chancellor Philip Hammond have already indicated that in this event the UK would look to launch its own GPS satellite project with other partners like Australia. Other partners in the commonwealth could also invest in and join this project and considering that India has its own Space programme could be a likely partner. A commonwealth based GPS satellite project consisting of UK, Australia, India and others could be very good for both UK and Indian business and could lead to hundreds of millions (possibly billions) of pounds in new Investments and business partnerships between UK and Indian companies. "If creating a satellite system with India and Australia is better for UK companies, then why didn't they do that already? I think we all know that Centaur won't answer any difficult questions, so let's point out the obvious answer. The UK was part of the EU project because that was the best available option. | |||
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"Remainers often harp on about compromise but show little sign of offering any on their part. So far all the compromise has come from Brexiters. Enough is enough! The country voted to Leave and yet a small band of disruptive remainers in the conservative party seem hell bent on either reversing Brexit outright or they want to water it down to the point where it would be meaningless. These same conservative MP's like Dominic Grieve stood on a manifesto promise at the general election to leave the EU, leave the single market and leave the customs union, now they seek to not only betray the referendum result but to betray the manifesto upon which they were elected. The likes of Anna Soubry and Ken Clarke should be held in the same contempt for which they show towards the public/electorate. Many Brexiters didn't want a transition period and yet compromised and gave remainers what they wanted in the form of a transition/implementation period. Where has one if at all any compromise come back in the opposite direction from remainers? " A transition period had to happen to allow the UK time to, you know, make the transition. Its no compromise to do what has to be done, it just shows up the hard rights position to be childish antics and temper tantrums. | |||
"Remainers often harp on about compromise but show little sign of offering any on their part. So far all the compromise has come from Brexiters. Enough is enough! The country voted to Leave and yet a small band of disruptive remainers in the conservative party seem hell bent on either reversing Brexit outright or they want to water it down to the point where it would be meaningless. These same conservative MP's like Dominic Grieve stood on a manifesto promise at the general election to leave the EU, leave the single market and leave the customs union, now they seek to not only betray the referendum result but to betray the manifesto upon which they were elected. The likes of Anna Soubry and Ken Clarke should be held in the same contempt for which they show towards the public/electorate. Many Brexiters didn't want a transition period and yet compromised and gave remainers what they wanted in the form of a transition/implementation period. Where has one if at all any compromise come back in the opposite direction from remainers? A transition period had to happen to allow the UK time to, you know, make the transition. Its no compromise to do what has to be done, it just shows up the hard rights position to be childish antics and temper tantrums." If article 50 had been triggered the day after the referendum, with no transition period, we would leave in 8 days time. Is the UK anywhere near ready to leave? NO FUCKING CHANCE. Brexiters should either be counting their lucky stars the date for actually leaving has been pushed back, or foaming at the mouth about the fucktards like Gove, DD, BoJo and Fox for not making us ready. Instead they are still trying to blow smoke up others arses and strutting about the the Emperor's new clothes pretending there isn't a problem. | |||
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"as the square root of naff all has been agreed as the Uks position, I struggle to see where anyone can point to a compromise. Red lines have been drawn ... and that is about it. Where there has been *compromise* it tends to be where the starting point is unworkable. " The red lines need withdrawing and MP’s need to be honest about how ready the U.K. is to leave the EU and then plan accordingly. If it means that the U.K. stays in the CU and SM for the next five years and then eases out over another two to three years by way of EAA membership - then that is the way it should be? By that time the whole if Irand could have a unification referendum and the Scots could have another say and then everyone will know the score and the UK will have made a tactical, structured and organised withdrawal. | |||
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"Ffs with that time scale half the leave voters would be dead lol or is that your cunning plan " And do you think that it's right to make such a fundamental change if the people who supported it will be dead before it's implemented? | |||
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"Ffs with that time scale half the leave voters would be dead lol or is that your cunning plan And do you think that it's right to make such a fundamental change if the people who supported it will be dead before it's implemented? " Well you keep saying Stephen Hawking supports Remain, maybe it passed you by in the news but he's dead. | |||
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"Ffs with that time scale half the leave voters would be dead lol or is that your cunning plan " If Scotland and Northern Ireland did leave the UK then there would be a bigger majority for leave in England and Wales without the Scots and Northern Ireland remain votes. | |||
"Ffs with that time scale half the leave voters would be dead lol or is that your cunning plan If Scotland and Northern Ireland did leave the UK then there would be a bigger majority for leave in England and Wales without the Scots and Northern Ireland remain votes. " Nice to see the "patriots" who wrap themselves in the union Jack, who want a red, white and blue Brexit are willing to sacrifice the UK to achieve it. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ?" As an older voter I voted to join the common market as it was originally envisaged, and still believe in that now. What I didn't sign up to was a gradual reduction in my independence and democrat rights. If it had stayed as it was originally talked about then we would still be able to trade and have a great connection, which we still have. Lots is said about what we will loose by leaving this undemocratic club, not much is said about what they will loose by us not being there. It's a two way street we both need each other as trading partners and we will still trade. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? As an older voter I voted to join the common market as it was originally envisaged, and still believe in that now. What I didn't sign up to was a gradual reduction in my independence and democrat rights. If it had stayed as it was originally talked about then we would still be able to trade and have a great connection, which we still have. Lots is said about what we will loose by leaving this undemocratic club, not much is said about what they will loose by us not being there. It's a two way street we both need each other as trading partners and we will still trade. " Can you expand on what you’ve lost ? As in examples etc ? I sense most people who comment here didn’t vote in the original reforendum so would be interested in your experiences. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ?" And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. " Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? As an older voter I voted to join the common market as it was originally envisaged, and still believe in that now. What I didn't sign up to was a gradual reduction in my independence and democrat rights. If it had stayed as it was originally talked about then we would still be able to trade and have a great connection, which we still have. Lots is said about what we will loose by leaving this undemocratic club, not much is said about what they will loose by us not being there. It's a two way street we both need each other as trading partners and we will still trade. Can you expand on what you’ve lost ? As in examples etc ? I sense most people who comment here didn’t vote in the original reforendum so would be interested in your experiences. " Initially we gained a lot by being in a common market, the phrase everyone used, to be connected in trade agreements. Once it became more than that we lost being able to use a vote unless all the others ratified it. So for example we lost control on how much we could tax our citizens we have to unify in our vat system of tax. We lost our individual farming policy and only, in being jointly organised so to get financial relief, we have to abide by the rules. We lost how much and what fish we could take from our seas by other countries voting and dictating those quotas. Just a few of many examples I would think. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out " Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not?" Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion " There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal." Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you?" Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. " Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go" Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. " That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening " Do you think you would lose? | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? " Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite" Right, so if it would be a landslide, then let the public have their say. As it stands Brexit doesn't have 50%+ of the electorate, let alone the wider population. Such a massive change should have massive support. Brexit doesn't have it. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite Right, so if it would be a landslide, then let the public have their say. As it stands Brexit doesn't have 50%+ of the electorate, let alone the wider population. Such a massive change should have massive support. Brexit doesn't have it." Sorry but your usual EU tactic of making the public vote and vote again until they give the 'right' answer (as you see it) won't work this time. The UK is not Rep. Of Ireland, France, Netherlands or Denmark where you have repeat referendums until the EU gets the answer it wants. The EU referendum in the Uk was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote on this, and the government made clear that it would be a one time vote and that the result would be respected and implemented. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite Right, so if it would be a landslide, then let the public have their say. As it stands Brexit doesn't have 50%+ of the electorate, let alone the wider population. Such a massive change should have massive support. Brexit doesn't have it. Sorry but your usual EU tactic of making the public vote and vote again until they give the 'right' answer (as you see it) won't work this time. The UK is not Rep. Of Ireland, France, Netherlands or Denmark where you have repeat referendums until the EU gets the answer it wants. The EU referendum in the Uk was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote on this, and the government made clear that it would be a one time vote and that the result would be respected and implemented. " Sorry Centaur, but the EU doesn't hold referendums, yet another lie from the Brexit Camp! | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite Right, so if it would be a landslide, then let the public have their say. As it stands Brexit doesn't have 50%+ of the electorate, let alone the wider population. Such a massive change should have massive support. Brexit doesn't have it. Sorry but your usual EU tactic of making the public vote and vote again until they give the 'right' answer (as you see it) won't work this time. The UK is not Rep. Of Ireland, France, Netherlands or Denmark where you have repeat referendums until the EU gets the answer it wants. The EU referendum in the Uk was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote on this, and the government made clear that it would be a one time vote and that the result would be respected and implemented. Sorry Centaur, but the EU doesn't hold referendums, yet another lie from the Brexit Camp! " Where did Centaur say the EU held referendums? | |||
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"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite Right, so if it would be a landslide, then let the public have their say. As it stands Brexit doesn't have 50%+ of the electorate, let alone the wider population. Such a massive change should have massive support. Brexit doesn't have it. Sorry but your usual EU tactic of making the public vote and vote again until they give the 'right' answer (as you see it) won't work this time. The UK is not Rep. Of Ireland, France, Netherlands or Denmark where you have repeat referendums until the EU gets the answer it wants. The EU referendum in the Uk was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote on this, and the government made clear that it would be a one time vote and that the result would be respected and implemented. Sorry Centaur, but the EU doesn't hold referendums, yet another lie from the Brexit Camp! Where did Centaur say the EU held referendums?" In the post that I quoted. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite Right, so if it would be a landslide, then let the public have their say. As it stands Brexit doesn't have 50%+ of the electorate, let alone the wider population. Such a massive change should have massive support. Brexit doesn't have it. Sorry but your usual EU tactic of making the public vote and vote again until they give the 'right' answer (as you see it) won't work this time. The UK is not Rep. Of Ireland, France, Netherlands or Denmark where you have repeat referendums until the EU gets the answer it wants. The EU referendum in the Uk was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote on this, and the government made clear that it would be a one time vote and that the result would be respected and implemented. Sorry Centaur, but the EU doesn't hold referendums, yet another lie from the Brexit Camp! Where did Centaur say the EU held referendums? In the post that I quoted." Could you quote the specific part... | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite Right, so if it would be a landslide, then let the public have their say. As it stands Brexit doesn't have 50%+ of the electorate, let alone the wider population. Such a massive change should have massive support. Brexit doesn't have it. Sorry but your usual EU tactic of making the public vote and vote again until they give the 'right' answer (as you see it) won't work this time. The UK is not Rep. Of Ireland, France, Netherlands or Denmark where you have repeat referendums until the EU gets the answer it wants. The EU referendum in the Uk was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote on this, and the government made clear that it would be a one time vote and that the result would be respected and implemented. Sorry Centaur, but the EU doesn't hold referendums, yet another lie from the Brexit Camp! Where did Centaur say the EU held referendums? In the post that I quoted. Could you quote the specific part..." I did better than that, I quoted the whole thing. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite Right, so if it would be a landslide, then let the public have their say. As it stands Brexit doesn't have 50%+ of the electorate, let alone the wider population. Such a massive change should have massive support. Brexit doesn't have it. Sorry but your usual EU tactic of making the public vote and vote again until they give the 'right' answer (as you see it) won't work this time. The UK is not Rep. Of Ireland, France, Netherlands or Denmark where you have repeat referendums until the EU gets the answer it wants. The EU referendum in the Uk was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote on this, and the government made clear that it would be a one time vote and that the result would be respected and implemented. Sorry Centaur, but the EU doesn't hold referendums, yet another lie from the Brexit Camp! Where did Centaur say the EU held referendums? In the post that I quoted. Could you quote the specific part... I did better than that, I quoted the whole thing." And nowhere does he say that the EU hold referendums. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite Right, so if it would be a landslide, then let the public have their say. As it stands Brexit doesn't have 50%+ of the electorate, let alone the wider population. Such a massive change should have massive support. Brexit doesn't have it. Sorry but your usual EU tactic of making the public vote and vote again until they give the 'right' answer (as you see it) won't work this time. The UK is not Rep. Of Ireland, France, Netherlands or Denmark where you have repeat referendums until the EU gets the answer it wants. The EU referendum in the Uk was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote on this, and the government made clear that it would be a one time vote and that the result would be respected and implemented. Sorry Centaur, but the EU doesn't hold referendums, yet another lie from the Brexit Camp! Where did Centaur say the EU held referendums? In the post that I quoted. Could you quote the specific part... I did better than that, I quoted the whole thing. And nowhere does he say that the EU hold referendums." The way I read it he does. Your comprehension skills must be different to mine if you can't read it. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite Right, so if it would be a landslide, then let the public have their say. As it stands Brexit doesn't have 50%+ of the electorate, let alone the wider population. Such a massive change should have massive support. Brexit doesn't have it. Sorry but your usual EU tactic of making the public vote and vote again until they give the 'right' answer (as you see it) won't work this time. The UK is not Rep. Of Ireland, France, Netherlands or Denmark where you have repeat referendums until the EU gets the answer it wants. The EU referendum in the Uk was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote on this, and the government made clear that it would be a one time vote and that the result would be respected and implemented. Sorry Centaur, but the EU doesn't hold referendums, yet another lie from the Brexit Camp! Where did Centaur say the EU held referendums? In the post that I quoted. Could you quote the specific part... I did better than that, I quoted the whole thing. And nowhere does he say that the EU hold referendums. The way I read it he does. Your comprehension skills must be different to mine if you can't read it." You have a habit of seeing things on the forum which aren't there. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite Right, so if it would be a landslide, then let the public have their say. As it stands Brexit doesn't have 50%+ of the electorate, let alone the wider population. Such a massive change should have massive support. Brexit doesn't have it. Sorry but your usual EU tactic of making the public vote and vote again until they give the 'right' answer (as you see it) won't work this time. The UK is not Rep. Of Ireland, France, Netherlands or Denmark where you have repeat referendums until the EU gets the answer it wants. The EU referendum in the Uk was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote on this, and the government made clear that it would be a one time vote and that the result would be respected and implemented. Sorry Centaur, but the EU doesn't hold referendums, yet another lie from the Brexit Camp! Where did Centaur say the EU held referendums? In the post that I quoted. Could you quote the specific part... I did better than that, I quoted the whole thing. And nowhere does he say that the EU hold referendums. The way I read it he does. Your comprehension skills must be different to mine if you can't read it. You have a habit of seeing things on the forum which aren't there. " You said you think the 'EU's tactic' is to hold referendums again and again until they get the answer they want, but like I said, the EU don't hold referendums. You obviously do think that, and you think they have tactics, but alas as usual, you are wrong, and you're lying about it. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite Right, so if it would be a landslide, then let the public have their say. As it stands Brexit doesn't have 50%+ of the electorate, let alone the wider population. Such a massive change should have massive support. Brexit doesn't have it. Sorry but your usual EU tactic of making the public vote and vote again until they give the 'right' answer (as you see it) won't work this time. The UK is not Rep. Of Ireland, France, Netherlands or Denmark where you have repeat referendums until the EU gets the answer it wants. The EU referendum in the Uk was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote on this, and the government made clear that it would be a one time vote and that the result would be respected and implemented. Sorry Centaur, but the EU doesn't hold referendums, yet another lie from the Brexit Camp! Where did Centaur say the EU held referendums? In the post that I quoted. Could you quote the specific part... I did better than that, I quoted the whole thing. And nowhere does he say that the EU hold referendums. The way I read it he does. Your comprehension skills must be different to mine if you can't read it. You have a habit of seeing things on the forum which aren't there. You said you think the 'EU's tactic' is to hold referendums again and again until they get the answer they want, but like I said, the EU don't hold referendums. You obviously do think that, and you think they have tactics, but alas as usual, you are wrong, and you're lying about it." My post (which you quoted in full) gave a list of countries which held the referendum re-runs on EU issues in the past. This makes it more than obvious who called the referendums I wouldn't have bothered to list the countries otherwise.
The EU may have had influence over those countries in calling those referendums (hence the EU tactic term) but nowhere in my post does it directly say the EU calls referendums. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite Right, so if it would be a landslide, then let the public have their say. As it stands Brexit doesn't have 50%+ of the electorate, let alone the wider population. Such a massive change should have massive support. Brexit doesn't have it. Sorry but your usual EU tactic of making the public vote and vote again until they give the 'right' answer (as you see it) won't work this time. The UK is not Rep. Of Ireland, France, Netherlands or Denmark where you have repeat referendums until the EU gets the answer it wants. The EU referendum in the Uk was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote on this, and the government made clear that it would be a one time vote and that the result would be respected and implemented. Sorry Centaur, but the EU doesn't hold referendums, yet another lie from the Brexit Camp! Where did Centaur say the EU held referendums? In the post that I quoted. Could you quote the specific part... I did better than that, I quoted the whole thing. And nowhere does he say that the EU hold referendums. The way I read it he does. Your comprehension skills must be different to mine if you can't read it. You have a habit of seeing things on the forum which aren't there. You said you think the 'EU's tactic' is to hold referendums again and again until they get the answer they want, but like I said, the EU don't hold referendums. You obviously do think that, and you think they have tactics, but alas as usual, you are wrong, and you're lying about it. My post (which you quoted in full) gave a list of countries which held the referendum re-runs on EU issues in the past. This makes it more than obvious who called the referendums I wouldn't have bothered to list the countries otherwise.
The EU may have had influence over those countries in calling those referendums (hence the EU tactic term) but nowhere in my post does it directly say the EU calls referendums. " | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite Right, so if it would be a landslide, then let the public have their say. As it stands Brexit doesn't have 50%+ of the electorate, let alone the wider population. Such a massive change should have massive support. Brexit doesn't have it. Sorry but your usual EU tactic of making the public vote and vote again until they give the 'right' answer (as you see it) won't work this time. The UK is not Rep. Of Ireland, France, Netherlands or Denmark where you have repeat referendums until the EU gets the answer it wants. The EU referendum in the Uk was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote on this, and the government made clear that it would be a one time vote and that the result would be respected and implemented. Sorry Centaur, but the EU doesn't hold referendums, yet another lie from the Brexit Camp! Where did Centaur say the EU held referendums? In the post that I quoted. Could you quote the specific part... I did better than that, I quoted the whole thing. And nowhere does he say that the EU hold referendums. The way I read it he does. Your comprehension skills must be different to mine if you can't read it. You have a habit of seeing things on the forum which aren't there. You said you think the 'EU's tactic' is to hold referendums again and again until they get the answer they want, but like I said, the EU don't hold referendums. You obviously do think that, and you think they have tactics, but alas as usual, you are wrong, and you're lying about it. My post (which you quoted in full) gave a list of countries which held the referendum re-runs on EU issues in the past. This makes it more than obvious who called the referendums I wouldn't have bothered to list the countries otherwise.
The EU may have had influence over those countries in calling those referendums (hence the EU tactic term) but nowhere in my post does it directly say the EU calls referendums.
"I'll take your lack of response as an admission that you're wrong then. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite Right, so if it would be a landslide, then let the public have their say. As it stands Brexit doesn't have 50%+ of the electorate, let alone the wider population. Such a massive change should have massive support. Brexit doesn't have it. Sorry but your usual EU tactic of making the public vote and vote again until they give the 'right' answer (as you see it) won't work this time. The UK is not Rep. Of Ireland, France, Netherlands or Denmark where you have repeat referendums until the EU gets the answer it wants. The EU referendum in the Uk was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote on this, and the government made clear that it would be a one time vote and that the result would be respected and implemented. Sorry Centaur, but the EU doesn't hold referendums, yet another lie from the Brexit Camp! Where did Centaur say the EU held referendums? In the post that I quoted. Could you quote the specific part... I did better than that, I quoted the whole thing. And nowhere does he say that the EU hold referendums. The way I read it he does. Your comprehension skills must be different to mine if you can't read it. You have a habit of seeing things on the forum which aren't there. You said you think the 'EU's tactic' is to hold referendums again and again until they get the answer they want, but like I said, the EU don't hold referendums. You obviously do think that, and you think they have tactics, but alas as usual, you are wrong, and you're lying about it. My post (which you quoted in full) gave a list of countries which held the referendum re-runs on EU issues in the past. This makes it more than obvious who called the referendums I wouldn't have bothered to list the countries otherwise.
The EU may have had influence over those countries in calling those referendums (hence the EU tactic term) but nowhere in my post does it directly say the EU calls referendums.
I'll take your lack of response as an admission that you're wrong then."Just laughing and you desperately trying to rewrite what you said. It's fine, I know you don't know much about the EU or how it works, it's an easy mistake to make to think that the EU holds referendums, but it doesn't. Don't worry about it, I know you haven't studied any of this stuff. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite Right, so if it would be a landslide, then let the public have their say. As it stands Brexit doesn't have 50%+ of the electorate, let alone the wider population. Such a massive change should have massive support. Brexit doesn't have it. Sorry but your usual EU tactic of making the public vote and vote again until they give the 'right' answer (as you see it) won't work this time. The UK is not Rep. Of Ireland, France, Netherlands or Denmark where you have repeat referendums until the EU gets the answer it wants. The EU referendum in the Uk was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote on this, and the government made clear that it would be a one time vote and that the result would be respected and implemented. Sorry Centaur, but the EU doesn't hold referendums, yet another lie from the Brexit Camp! Where did Centaur say the EU held referendums? In the post that I quoted. Could you quote the specific part... I did better than that, I quoted the whole thing. And nowhere does he say that the EU hold referendums. The way I read it he does. Your comprehension skills must be different to mine if you can't read it. You have a habit of seeing things on the forum which aren't there. You said you think the 'EU's tactic' is to hold referendums again and again until they get the answer they want, but like I said, the EU don't hold referendums. You obviously do think that, and you think they have tactics, but alas as usual, you are wrong, and you're lying about it. My post (which you quoted in full) gave a list of countries which held the referendum re-runs on EU issues in the past. This makes it more than obvious who called the referendums I wouldn't have bothered to list the countries otherwise.
The EU may have had influence over those countries in calling those referendums (hence the EU tactic term) but nowhere in my post does it directly say the EU calls referendums.
I'll take your lack of response as an admission that you're wrong then.
Just laughing and you desperately trying to rewrite what you said. It's fine, I know you don't know much about the EU or how it works, it's an easy mistake to make to think that the EU holds referendums, but it doesn't. Don't worry about it, I know you haven't studied any of this stuff. "The only one rewriting stuff here is you, either that or you're hallucinating again and simply seeing things on the forum which are simply not there. No where in any of my posts on this thread does it say that the EU calls referendums. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite Right, so if it would be a landslide, then let the public have their say. As it stands Brexit doesn't have 50%+ of the electorate, let alone the wider population. Such a massive change should have massive support. Brexit doesn't have it. Sorry but your usual EU tactic of making the public vote and vote again until they give the 'right' answer (as you see it) won't work this time. The UK is not Rep. Of Ireland, France, Netherlands or Denmark where you have repeat referendums until the EU gets the answer it wants. The EU referendum in the Uk was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote on this, and the government made clear that it would be a one time vote and that the result would be respected and implemented. Sorry Centaur, but the EU doesn't hold referendums, yet another lie from the Brexit Camp! Where did Centaur say the EU held referendums? In the post that I quoted. Could you quote the specific part... I did better than that, I quoted the whole thing. And nowhere does he say that the EU hold referendums. The way I read it he does. Your comprehension skills must be different to mine if you can't read it. You have a habit of seeing things on the forum which aren't there. You said you think the 'EU's tactic' is to hold referendums again and again until they get the answer they want, but like I said, the EU don't hold referendums. You obviously do think that, and you think they have tactics, but alas as usual, you are wrong, and you're lying about it. My post (which you quoted in full) gave a list of countries which held the referendum re-runs on EU issues in the past. This makes it more than obvious who called the referendums I wouldn't have bothered to list the countries otherwise.
The EU may have had influence over those countries in calling those referendums (hence the EU tactic term) but nowhere in my post does it directly say the EU calls referendums.
I'll take your lack of response as an admission that you're wrong then.
Just laughing and you desperately trying to rewrite what you said. It's fine, I know you don't know much about the EU or how it works, it's an easy mistake to make to think that the EU holds referendums, but it doesn't. Don't worry about it, I know you haven't studied any of this stuff.
The only one rewriting stuff here is you, either that or you're hallucinating again and simply seeing things on the forum which are simply not there. No where in any of my posts on this thread does it say that the EU calls referendums. "It's fine Centaur, I said don't worry about it. | |||
"I’m sure there was older voters on both side does _lcc think there should of been an upper age limit on the vote ? And yet you didn't say that half or remain voters will be dead, you said half of Leave voters would be dead. No there shouldn't be an upper age limit, but not democracy if we are following a plan made by the deceased. Have another referendum before it's too late. Most of the people who voted us in are dead. We have just had another referendum and decided we want out Firstly, I think you need to re-read your history books. Secondly, do you therefore support another referendum, for example once the deal is known? If not, why not? Why would I need to re-read my history books? Unless you are saying that we had a referendum on joining the EEC and not one on joining the EU, which just makes things worse. And no, there can be no second referendum on a deal because that would mean there would be no deal and the EU would reject everything we ask for in the hope of us voting to remain. I have never heard of a more ridiculous suggestion There never was a referendum on joining. That's why you need to re-read your history books. The people should get a say on the final deal. Ok smart arse the referendum on remaining in 1975 and I don’t need history books for that, I remember it. So you are hoping for a 2nd referendum and that the ‘deal’ is really bad are you? Well you obviously don't remember it very well as you had misremembered it. I dont trust this government to secure a deal that people will think is worth leaving the EU for, so I would like the people to decide. Whatever, you know what I meant. Well the people have already decided so sorry sweetheart you won’t be getting another go Seeing as even the cabinet can't agree on what Brexit looks like it's hard to believe that all the people who voted for Brexit knew the outcome of negotiations that hadn't even started. That’s because half the cabinet voted remain. The majority of voters voted for the final deal of leave the EU, the single market, the customs union, the ECJ , end of. You don’t want a vote on a final deal. You just want another in out referendum. It ain’t happening Do you think you would lose? Not a chance. Leave would now win by a mile but that’s not the point. Nite niite Right, so if it would be a landslide, then let the public have their say. As it stands Brexit doesn't have 50%+ of the electorate, let alone the wider population. Such a massive change should have massive support. Brexit doesn't have it. Sorry but your usual EU tactic of making the public vote and vote again until they give the 'right' answer (as you see it) won't work this time. The UK is not Rep. Of Ireland, France, Netherlands or Denmark where you have repeat referendums until the EU gets the answer it wants. The EU referendum in the Uk was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote on this, and the government made clear that it would be a one time vote and that the result would be respected and implemented. Sorry Centaur, but the EU doesn't hold referendums, yet another lie from the Brexit Camp! Where did Centaur say the EU held referendums? In the post that I quoted. Could you quote the specific part... I did better than that, I quoted the whole thing. And nowhere does he say that the EU hold referendums. The way I read it he does. Your comprehension skills must be different to mine if you can't read it. You have a habit of seeing things on the forum which aren't there. You said you think the 'EU's tactic' is to hold referendums again and again until they get the answer they want, but like I said, the EU don't hold referendums. You obviously do think that, and you think they have tactics, but alas as usual, you are wrong, and you're lying about it. My post (which you quoted in full) gave a list of countries which held the referendum re-runs on EU issues in the past. This makes it more than obvious who called the referendums I wouldn't have bothered to list the countries otherwise.
The EU may have had influence over those countries in calling those referendums (hence the EU tactic term) but nowhere in my post does it directly say the EU calls referendums. "Hmm... so "the EU" has influence over "some countries" to call/re-run referendums. What influence is that and why does it extend only to "some countries" and not others? | |||
" (...) Italy also clashed with the EU in recent days over the migration crisis when it refused to let migrant boats dock in Italian ports. Boats were rerouted to Spain. The new Italian government are making clear early signs that they don't intend to play ball with Brussels on a range of subjects. Yet more headaches for the clowns Juncker and Tusk. (...) " Btw, the *day* that Italy asked for the Aquarius to be rerouted, they had *already* accepted other boats that were carrying in excess of 2000 people in total. It was the Aquarius story only that was given to the media, so that the Italian government would appear to be making a stand. It was reported in "All out politics" today. | |||
" (...) Italy also clashed with the EU in recent days over the migration crisis when it refused to let migrant boats dock in Italian ports. Boats were rerouted to Spain. The new Italian government are making clear early signs that they don't intend to play ball with Brussels on a range of subjects. Yet more headaches for the clowns Juncker and Tusk. (...) Btw, the *day* that Italy asked for the Aquarius to be rerouted, they had *already* accepted other boats that were carrying in excess of 2000 people in total. It was the Aquarius story only that was given to the media, so that the Italian government would appear to be making a stand. It was reported in "All out politics" today." 20,000 people marched in Rome in solidarity with the migrants too. | |||
