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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So I've just heard on the news that our government will match pound for pound the money raised during this year's soccer aid. Now I know it's all for a good cause, however it's for other countries again, so rather than keep sending money over seas why don't they help people in our country. We have more people homeless than ever before and the numbers are still increasing, charity should begin at home |
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"So I've just heard on the news that our government will match pound for pound the money raised during this year's soccer aid. Now I know it's all for a good cause, however it's for other countries again, so rather than keep sending money over seas why don't they help people in our country. We have more people homeless than ever before and the numbers are still increasing, charity should begin at home "
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"So I've just heard on the news that our government will match pound for pound the money raised during this year's soccer aid. Now I know it's all for a good cause, however it's for other countries again, so rather than keep sending money over seas why don't they help people in our country. We have more people homeless than ever before and the numbers are still increasing, charity should begin at home
Earth is my home. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Correct, this country is crazy, other country's we give aid to, goes into nothing useful and usually wasted.
There shouldn't be any aid unless natural disaster, nothing. "
Careful, your and the OP’s privilege is showing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Correct, this country is crazy, other country's we give aid to, goes into nothing useful and usually wasted.
There shouldn't be any aid unless natural disaster, nothing. "
How about food shortages caused by lack of water or vegetation? These are natural things no?
If the UK was attacked and we ended up a war torn country would you not want help? Your government caused it, you had no influence on military action and have no way of escaping cos you have nothing would you accept it's your own doing and refuse aid? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Whole heartedly agree, we give far too much money to countries which don't need it. India for example, £600 million a year we give to them and they have a space programme, more billionaires then any other country and an unbelievable lax tax system. What we should be doing is giving free advice to such countries about raising taxes and looking after their own people. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I knew this would get differs t opinions from different people. All I'm saying is why don't they look after people of Britain, not being funny but how many of these other countries ha e ever helped us, we've had major floods, grenfull tower....... No one helped us for these. Sending money to third world countries constantly, however they still keep producing children. This country is going to the dogs and it's the leaders who are running us that are to blame |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Correct, this country is crazy, other country's we give aid to, goes into nothing useful and usually wasted.
There shouldn't be any aid unless natural disaster, nothing.
How about food shortages caused by lack of water or vegetation? These are natural things no?
If the UK was attacked and we ended up a war torn country would you not want help? Your government caused it, you had no influence on military action and have no way of escaping cos you have nothing would you accept it's your own doing and refuse aid?"
Yes we would help as we are the UK, however no other country would. Think you may of misunderstood the thread |
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Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Totally agree our own country has its own problems that need to be sorted out,nhs is being drip dried,benefits system totally abused,the police cuts the state of some of the roads,the hospitals the list is endless! Spend our money on our country it’s as simple as that,no one gives us money! Our previous generations have fought wars and worked hard to have this country looking good and being stable not to be ruined by others who don’t respect or look after it.All the money we have gave abroad is all bung money to corrupt governments and warlords! All the hundreds of millions Africa has since the 80s and it’s still in the same state today! Look after your own |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes we would help as we are the UK, however no other country would. Think you may of misunderstood the thread "
I think you may misunderstand how forein and international aid works |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I knew this would get differs t opinions from different people. All I'm saying is why don't they look after people of Britain, not being funny but how many of these other countries ha e ever helped us, we've had major floods, grenfull tower....... No one helped us for these. Sending money to third world countries constantly, however they still keep producing children. This country is going to the dogs and it's the leaders who are running us that are to blame "
Who would help us and why?
And as for the people in the third world producing children how would you control it? Contraception costs money. Sex is a natural act that expresses love, shall we just tell them to stop? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The selfishness shown on this thread, if it reflects society as a whole is heartbreaking.
I assume all you people so opposed to aid do plenty to help the needy and vulnerable in the UK. I;d love to hear your tales to offset the negativity that seems to be overwhelming on this thread |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves. "
there are people in the UK fitting that criteria. I advocate aid overseas but I think that's a rather blinkered view?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Totally agree our own country has its own problems that need to be sorted out,nhs is being drip dried,benefits system totally abused,the police cuts the state of some of the roads,the hospitals the list is endless! Spend our money on our country it’s as simple as that,no one gives us money! Our previous generations have fought wars and worked hard to have this country looking good and being stable not to be ruined by others who don’t respect or look after it.All the money we have gave abroad is all bung money to corrupt governments and warlords! All the hundreds of millions Africa has since the 80s and it’s still in the same state today! Look after your own "
Totally agree with this comment |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It's not even about being selfish, if we had bundles of money and our country was perfect then fair enough help others, however this country is a mess and needs money being invested, however the government would rather rather send it abroad. We are taxed on tax, you pay into pensions all your live a which is then subject to tac when you retire. We are a backwards country and it'll only get worse. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I knew this would get differs t opinions from different people. All I'm saying is why don't they look after people of Britain, not being funny but how many of these other countries ha e ever helped us, we've had major floods, grenfull tower....... No one helped us for these. Sending money to third world countries constantly, however they still keep producing children. This country is going to the dogs and it's the leaders who are running us that are to blame
Who would help us and why?
And as for the people in the third world producing children how would you control it? Contraception costs money. Sex is a natural act that expresses love, shall we just tell them to stop? "
third world countries a lot of it is not consensual to be polite and they don’t know any better than have kid after kid because they have no standard of living at all,simple people with simple lives |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves. "
Let's hope you never become homeless from no fault of your own as I'd make damm sure I didn't give you any money to help with views like that |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves. "
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research. |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves. there are people in the UK fitting that criteria. I advocate aid overseas but I think that's a rather blinkered view?"
Many people in middle income countries (e.g. india) have problems that British people don't even know are problems. That's without even getting into the problems people have in shit hole countries like the Congo. How many British people do you know that had to seperate from their families to move abroad so they could work and send money home to feed their kids? Oh yeah - none. How many British people sleeping rough are alcohol or drug addicts? Most. The foreign aid budget is a fucking rounding error on the DWP budget. |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Let's hope you never become homeless from no fault of your own as I'd make damm sure I didn't give you any money to help with views like that "
Ok well i'll add it to my worry list just below being bitten by a vampire. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves. "
Not all homless people have been put out on the street by their own doing. Take for example ex soldiers come back from war zones with mental health issues they cant hold down a job so end up in the street. Yeah fuck the homless
All we hear is austerity and cut backs so cut back on the foreign add and use it at home |
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"So I've just heard on the news that our government will match pound for pound the money raised during this year's soccer aid. Now I know it's all for a good cause, however it's for other countries again, so rather than keep sending money over seas why don't they help people in our country. We have more people homeless than ever before and the numbers are still increasing, charity should begin at home "
Why do you think we give foreign aid?
Do you think it's because "we're just nice like that"? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves. there are people in the UK fitting that criteria. I advocate aid overseas but I think that's a rather blinkered view?
Many people in middle income countries (e.g. india) have problems that British people don't even know are problems. That's without even getting into the problems people have in shit hole countries like the Congo. How many British people do you know that had to seperate from their families to move abroad so they could work and send money home to feed their kids? Oh yeah - none. How many British people sleeping rough are alcohol or drug addicts? Most. The foreign aid budget is a fucking rounding error on the DWP budget."
Your talking out of your backside, how do you know that percentage of people are homeless because of addictions, where does studies identify this. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves. there are people in the UK fitting that criteria. I advocate aid overseas but I think that's a rather blinkered view?
Many people in middle income countries (e.g. india) have problems that British people don't even know are problems. That's without even getting into the problems people have in shit hole countries like the Congo. How many British people do you know that had to seperate from their families to move abroad so they could work and send money home to feed their kids? Oh yeah - none. How many British people sleeping rough are alcohol or drug addicts? Most. The foreign aid budget is a fucking rounding error on the DWP budget.
Your talking out of your backside, how do you know that percentage of people are homeless because of addictions, where does studies identify this. "
I know a few people that have worked away to support families as well so more crap being spouted |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
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Slightly derailing...but soccer aid? Really? a sport full of overpaid 'stars', supported by multi millionaire/billionaire oligarchs/dodgy dealers, ask the already fleeced public to dip in their pocket & raise money? To hell where it is going to, where is it coming from? |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Not all homless people have been put out on the street by their own doing. Take for example ex soldiers come back from war zones with mental health issues they cant hold down a job so end up in the street. Yeah fuck the homless
All we hear is austerity and cut backs so cut back on the foreign add and use it at home"
Homelessness is an issue caused by much more than financial issues. What about lack of housing? What about all the people who own more than one home and charge extortionate rent or have a "holiday home" that sits empty for most of the year? It's a societal issue not financial. |
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"The selfishness shown on this thread, if it reflects society as a whole is heartbreaking.
I assume all you people so opposed to aid do plenty to help the needy and vulnerable in the UK. I;d love to hear your tales to offset the negativity that seems to be overwhelming on this thread"
It's like the Daily Mail comments section.
On the upside threads like this are great for finding out the people with such shitty attitudes you'd never consider having sex with them. It's block-tastic! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The selfishness shown on this thread, if it reflects society as a whole is heartbreaking.
I assume all you people so opposed to aid do plenty to help the needy and vulnerable in the UK. I;d love to hear your tales to offset the negativity that seems to be overwhelming on this thread
It's like the Daily Mail comments section.
On the upside threads like this are great for finding out the people with such shitty attitudes you'd never consider having sex with them. It's block-tastic!"
Not sure people will be loosing sleep over you blocking them haha |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I knew this would get differs t opinions from different people. All I'm saying is why don't they look after people of Britain, not being funny but how many of these other countries ha e ever helped us, we've had major floods, grenfull tower....... No one helped us for these. Sending money to third world countries constantly, however they still keep producing children. This country is going to the dogs and it's the leaders who are running us that are to blame
Who would help us and why?
And as for the people in the third world producing children how would you control it? Contraception costs money. Sex is a natural act that expresses love, shall we just tell them to stop? third world countries a lot of it is not consensual to be polite and they don’t know any better than have kid after kid because they have no standard of living at all,simple people with simple lives"
So we should just leave them to it? |
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By *ddibleMan
over a year ago
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We're a NATO country and part of the United Nations. It's actually part of the agreement we made at the beginning. Foreign aid is price we pay.
Yes our country is in a mess with much the same problems as any other European country and to some degree America. We can't shut ourselves off from the rest of the world when we're actually quite dependant on it
I do actually agree that more could be done for our own causes and I'm no bleeding heart liberalist but we only give 4% of our GDP in real cash terms it's a drop in the ocean compared to how much we waist on failed political exercises, enquests and think tanks
Not saying you are wrong OP but as a senior civil servant I'd have to say there is a much bigger picture to consider
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research. "
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested. |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested. "
Oh I hadn’t realised you’d met every homeless person in the UK. I actually know a homeless person who was a child sex slave trafficked from the Phillipines. And I’m not joking. |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves. there are people in the UK fitting that criteria. I advocate aid overseas but I think that's a rather blinkered view?
Many people in middle income countries (e.g. india) have problems that British people don't even know are problems. That's without even getting into the problems people have in shit hole countries like the Congo. How many British people do you know that had to seperate from their families to move abroad so they could work and send money home to feed their kids? Oh yeah - none. How many British people sleeping rough are alcohol or drug addicts? Most. The foreign aid budget is a fucking rounding error on the DWP budget.
Your talking out of your backside, how do you know that percentage of people are homeless because of addictions, where does studies identify this. "
Research by 'Crisis'-educate yourself |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested. "
Bit of a sweeping generalisation there no? One third of families in the UK are one pay check from homelessness. Is that their fault? They work hard, they pay their bills and contribute to the country but an accident means they can't work. Is that their fault? |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Not all homless people have been put out on the street by their own doing. Take for example ex soldiers come back from war zones with mental health issues they cant hold down a job so end up in the street. Yeah fuck the homless
All we hear is austerity and cut backs so cut back on the foreign add and use it at home
Homelessness is an issue caused by much more than financial issues. What about lack of housing? What about all the people who own more than one home and charge extortionate rent or have a "holiday home" that sits empty for most of the year? It's a societal issue not financial. "
people who own more than one home or have a home abroad have probably worked dam hard for it and have become successful,as for the lack of housing it’s mostly for the families who don’t work and the average working British family haven’t got a chance in hell of getting a council house! I was on a waiting list for a house with a partner for 9 years and nothing got offered to us! We worked and wanted to pay for it and contribute back into the council and do it the right way not through the dss,the lady who filled in the paperwork who works for the council said you know you both haven’t got a chance of getting a house? We said why? Well because you both work and your white and you haven’t got any children with needs and your not a foreigner! That is true and and that was early 2000s |
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"Why do you think we give foreign aid?
Do you think it's because "we're just nice like that"?"
I'm genuinely curious as to your (OP) answer to this?
Given we're quite happy to force OAP's out of their specially adapted home because one of them is disabled and requires a special bed which means they need a two bedroom place, but we'll still charge them a bedroom tax they can't afford.
Given we'll sack serving soldiers a week before they're due to retire, so that they can't collect their pensions.
Given that we'll happily close down refuges for housewives that have been beaten and abused by their husbands...
Do you think we give foreign aid out of altruism? Do you think it's because we take our moral and ethical obligations so seriously? |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested.
Oh I hadn’t realised you’d met every homeless person in the UK. I actually know a homeless person who was a child sex slave trafficked from the Phillipines. And I’m not joking. "
Yes people who don't understand how statistics work often think you need to meet every single person rather than take a sample.
Tell me, of your homeless buddies, how many are not regular drug users and how many have not used crack or heroin in the last month? |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves. there are people in the UK fitting that criteria. I advocate aid overseas but I think that's a rather blinkered view?
Many people in middle income countries (e.g. india) have problems that British people don't even know are problems. That's without even getting into the problems people have in shit hole countries like the Congo. How many British people do you know that had to seperate from their families to move abroad so they could work and send money home to feed their kids? Oh yeah - none. How many British people sleeping rough are alcohol or drug addicts? Most. The foreign aid budget is a fucking rounding error on the DWP budget.
Your talking out of your backside, how do you know that percentage of people are homeless because of addictions, where does studies identify this.
Research by 'Crisis'-educate yourself "
The same research will show you that not all those who are homeless are though, hence the use of most. And the same research will often show that the substance misuse is often what happens when and once on the streets as a form of escapism and trying to survive reality. And the same research...I’ll stop for now and would draw people’s attention to Crisis’ plan to end homelessness launched today.
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Not all homless people have been put out on the street by their own doing. Take for example ex soldiers come back from war zones with mental health issues they cant hold down a job so end up in the street. Yeah fuck the homless
All we hear is austerity and cut backs so cut back on the foreign add and use it at home
Homelessness is an issue caused by much more than financial issues. What about lack of housing? What about all the people who own more than one home and charge extortionate rent or have a "holiday home" that sits empty for most of the year? It's a societal issue not financial. people who own more than one home or have a home abroad have probably worked dam hard for it and have become successful,as for the lack of housing it’s mostly for the families who don’t work and the average working British family haven’t got a chance in hell of getting a council house! I was on a waiting list for a house with a partner for 9 years and nothing got offered to us! We worked and wanted to pay for it and contribute back into the council and do it the right way not through the dss,the lady who filled in the paperwork who works for the council said you know you both haven’t got a chance of getting a house? We said why? Well because you both work and your white and you haven’t got any children with needs and your not a foreigner! That is true and and that was early 2000s"
So how will money solve it? |
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"I knew this would get differs t opinions from different people. All I'm saying is why don't they look after people of Britain, not being funny but how many of these other countries ha e ever helped us, we've had major floods, grenfull tower....... No one helped us for these. Sending money to third world countries constantly, however they still keep producing children. This country is going to the dogs and it's the leaders who are running us that are to blame
Who would help us and why?
And as for the people in the third world producing children how would you control it? Contraception costs money. Sex is a natural act that expresses love, shall we just tell them to stop? third world countries a lot of it is not consensual to be polite and they don’t know any better than have kid after kid because they have no standard of living at all,simple people with simple lives
So we should just leave them to it? "
of course not our problem... |
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The good thing about charity is you can choose who you wish to give it to.
The government only went as far to cover it up 5 million which is a literal drop in the ocean. I don’t begrudge them a penny.
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested.
Oh I hadn’t realised you’d met every homeless person in the UK. I actually know a homeless person who was a child sex slave trafficked from the Phillipines. And I’m not joking.
Yes people who don't understand how statistics work often think you need to meet every single person rather than take a sample.
Tell me, of your homeless buddies, how many are not regular drug users and how many have not used crack or heroin in the last month? "
Correlation does not equal causation.
How do you know that they haven't become addicts to cope with living on the street?
I'm always slightly bemused by the "fuck 'em, they'll only spend it on drugs" attitude...they live on the street, what do you expect them to spend it on, fucking scatter cushions?
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Not all homless people have been put out on the street by their own doing. Take for example ex soldiers come back from war zones with mental health issues they cant hold down a job so end up in the street. Yeah fuck the homless
All we hear is austerity and cut backs so cut back on the foreign add and use it at home
Homelessness is an issue caused by much more than financial issues. What about lack of housing? What about all the people who own more than one home and charge extortionate rent or have a "holiday home" that sits empty for most of the year? It's a societal issue not financial. people who own more than one home or have a home abroad have probably worked dam hard for it and have become successful,as for the lack of housing it’s mostly for the families who don’t work and the average working British family haven’t got a chance in hell of getting a council house! I was on a waiting list for a house with a partner for 9 years and nothing got offered to us! We worked and wanted to pay for it and contribute back into the council and do it the right way not through the dss,the lady who filled in the paperwork who works for the council said you know you both haven’t got a chance of getting a house? We said why? Well because you both work and your white and you haven’t got any children with needs and your not a foreigner! That is true and and that was early 2000s
So how will money solve it? "
by putting money back into the pot rather than constantly taking out and not putting in,its like a piggy bank the money has to come from somewhere if you don’t top it up there will be no money to dip into if you keeping taking out. |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested.
Oh I hadn’t realised you’d met every homeless person in the UK. I actually know a homeless person who was a child sex slave trafficked from the Phillipines. And I’m not joking.
Yes people who don't understand how statistics work often think you need to meet every single person rather than take a sample.
Tell me, of your homeless buddies, how many are not regular drug users and how many have not used crack or heroin in the last month? "
What’s the reason for using the term “buddies”, professional boundaries are important to me..?
And I refer you to the research. I’m not countering the couple of global statements you made. I do disagree with you in terms of cutting off empathy if someone does have substance misuse issues though. And I understand the stats. I helped compile the research you’re referring to. |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested.
Oh I hadn’t realised you’d met every homeless person in the UK. I actually know a homeless person who was a child sex slave trafficked from the Phillipines. And I’m not joking.
Yes people who don't understand how statistics work often think you need to meet every single person rather than take a sample.
Tell me, of your homeless buddies, how many are not regular drug users and how many have not used crack or heroin in the last month?
What’s the reason for using the term “buddies”, professional boundaries are important to me..?
And I refer you to the research. I’m not countering the couple of global statements you made. I do disagree with you in terms of cutting off empathy if someone does have substance misuse issues though. And I understand the stats. I helped compile the research you’re referring to. "
Am countering* erroneous ‘not’ |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested.
Bit of a sweeping generalisation there no? One third of families in the UK are one pay check from homelessness. Is that their fault? They work hard, they pay their bills and contribute to the country but an accident means they can't work. Is that their fault? "
Depends what you mean by homeless. If you mean 'people without a permanent dwelling' then I'd agree with you. If you mean 'people with no roof above their head' then those figures are vastly exaggerated. |
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"I knew this would get differs t opinions from different people. All I'm saying is why don't they look after people of Britain, not being funny but how many of these other countries ha e ever helped us, we've had major floods, grenfull tower....... No one helped us for these. Sending money to third world countries constantly, however they still keep producing children. This country is going to the dogs and it's the leaders who are running us that are to blame
Who would help us and why?
And as for the people in the third world producing children how would you control it? Contraception costs money. Sex is a natural act that expresses love, shall we just tell them to stop? third world countries a lot of it is not consensual to be polite and they don’t know any better than have kid after kid because they have no standard of living at all,simple people with simple lives
So we should just leave them to it? of course not our problem..."
Who is the "our" referring to? I'm Scottish, I'm also British, European and human. I don't know anyone in the world I don't belong in a group with. |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested.
Oh I hadn’t realised you’d met every homeless person in the UK. I actually know a homeless person who was a child sex slave trafficked from the Phillipines. And I’m not joking.
Yes people who don't understand how statistics work often think you need to meet every single person rather than take a sample.
Tell me, of your homeless buddies, how many are not regular drug users and how many have not used crack or heroin in the last month?
What’s the reason for using the term “buddies”, professional boundaries are important to me..?
And I refer you to the research. I’m not countering the couple of global statements you made. I do disagree with you in terms of cutting off empathy if someone does have substance misuse issues though. And I understand the stats. I helped compile the research you’re referring to. "
So on some level, do you understand why i reserve my empathy for people who never had choices over people who made bad ones? I realise that in a perfect world we'd be nice to everyone but I'm sick of hearing how we need to stop a poxy spend on foreign aid. |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Not all homless people have been put out on the street by their own doing. Take for example ex soldiers come back from war zones with mental health issues they cant hold down a job so end up in the street. Yeah fuck the homless
All we hear is austerity and cut backs so cut back on the foreign add and use it at home
Homelessness is an issue caused by much more than financial issues. What about lack of housing? What about all the people who own more than one home and charge extortionate rent or have a "holiday home" that sits empty for most of the year? It's a societal issue not financial. people who own more than one home or have a home abroad have probably worked dam hard for it and have become successful,as for the lack of housing it’s mostly for the families who don’t work and the average working British family haven’t got a chance in hell of getting a council house! I was on a waiting list for a house with a partner for 9 years and nothing got offered to us! We worked and wanted to pay for it and contribute back into the council and do it the right way not through the dss,the lady who filled in the paperwork who works for the council said you know you both haven’t got a chance of getting a house? We said why? Well because you both work and your white and you haven’t got any children with needs and your not a foreigner! That is true and and that was early 2000s
So how will money solve it? by putting money back into the pot rather than constantly taking out and not putting in,its like a piggy bank the money has to come from somewhere if you don’t top it up there will be no money to dip into if you keeping taking out."
But where will the money go? How will it help? There are no houses. |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested.
Oh I hadn’t realised you’d met every homeless person in the UK. I actually know a homeless person who was a child sex slave trafficked from the Phillipines. And I’m not joking.
Yes people who don't understand how statistics work often think you need to meet every single person rather than take a sample.
Tell me, of your homeless buddies, how many are not regular drug users and how many have not used crack or heroin in the last month?
Correlation does not equal causation.
How do you know that they haven't become addicts to cope with living on the street?
I'm always slightly bemused by the "fuck 'em, they'll only spend it on drugs" attitude...they live on the street, what do you expect them to spend it on, fucking scatter cushions?
Fuck it, I'd probably spend it on drugs if that was my life"
Because i know what the minimum wage is, how easy minimum wage jobs are because I've done them and how much rent is. Do the maths. |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested.
Oh I hadn’t realised you’d met every homeless person in the UK. I actually know a homeless person who was a child sex slave trafficked from the Phillipines. And I’m not joking.
Yes people who don't understand how statistics work often think you need to meet every single person rather than take a sample.
Tell me, of your homeless buddies, how many are not regular drug users and how many have not used crack or heroin in the last month?
What’s the reason for using the term “buddies”, professional boundaries are important to me..?
And I refer you to the research. I’m not countering the couple of global statements you made. I do disagree with you in terms of cutting off empathy if someone does have substance misuse issues though. And I understand the stats. I helped compile the research you’re referring to.
So on some level, do you understand why i reserve my empathy for people who never had choices over people who made bad ones? I realise that in a perfect world we'd be nice to everyone but I'm sick of hearing how we need to stop a poxy spend on foreign aid. "
I totally do understand. But do you understand that trauma in the key stages of childhood can lead people to not having the best chances to make positive choices - in which case where did choice come from or should we only support children’s charities and not the knowledge we have of how trauma can impact on people? |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested.
Oh I hadn’t realised you’d met every homeless person in the UK. I actually know a homeless person who was a child sex slave trafficked from the Phillipines. And I’m not joking.
Yes people who don't understand how statistics work often think you need to meet every single person rather than take a sample.
Tell me, of your homeless buddies, how many are not regular drug users and how many have not used crack or heroin in the last month?
What’s the reason for using the term “buddies”, professional boundaries are important to me..?
And I refer you to the research. I’m not countering the couple of global statements you made. I do disagree with you in terms of cutting off empathy if someone does have substance misuse issues though. And I understand the stats. I helped compile the research you’re referring to.
So on some level, do you understand why i reserve my empathy for people who never had choices over people who made bad ones? I realise that in a perfect world we'd be nice to everyone but I'm sick of hearing how we need to stop a poxy spend on foreign aid.
I totally do understand. But do you understand that trauma in the key stages of childhood can lead people to not having the best chances to make positive choices - in which case where did choice come from or should we only support children’s charities and not the knowledge we have of how trauma can impact on people? "
Yes i get that. The difference is that nobody is screaming that we should take money away from government services aimed at vulnerable british children. Somehow people think it's acceptable when those children are in other countries... |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested.
Bit of a sweeping generalisation there no? One third of families in the UK are one pay check from homelessness. Is that their fault? They work hard, they pay their bills and contribute to the country but an accident means they can't work. Is that their fault? "
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested.
Oh I hadn’t realised you’d met every homeless person in the UK. I actually know a homeless person who was a child sex slave trafficked from the Phillipines. And I’m not joking.
Yes people who don't understand how statistics work often think you need to meet every single person rather than take a sample.
Tell me, of your homeless buddies, how many are not regular drug users and how many have not used crack or heroin in the last month?
What’s the reason for using the term “buddies”, professional boundaries are important to me..?
And I refer you to the research. I’m not countering the couple of global statements you made. I do disagree with you in terms of cutting off empathy if someone does have substance misuse issues though. And I understand the stats. I helped compile the research you’re referring to.
So on some level, do you understand why i reserve my empathy for people who never had choices over people who made bad ones? I realise that in a perfect world we'd be nice to everyone but I'm sick of hearing how we need to stop a poxy spend on foreign aid.
I totally do understand. But do you understand that trauma in the key stages of childhood can lead people to not having the best chances to make positive choices - in which case where did choice come from or should we only support children’s charities and not the knowledge we have of how trauma can impact on people?
Yes i get that. The difference is that nobody is screaming that we should take money away from government services aimed at vulnerable british children. Somehow people think it's acceptable when those children are in other countries..."
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested.
Oh I hadn’t realised you’d met every homeless person in the UK. I actually know a homeless person who was a child sex slave trafficked from the Phillipines. And I’m not joking.
Yes people who don't understand how statistics work often think you need to meet every single person rather than take a sample.
Tell me, of your homeless buddies, how many are not regular drug users and how many have not used crack or heroin in the last month?
What’s the reason for using the term “buddies”, professional boundaries are important to me..?
And I refer you to the research. I’m not countering the couple of global statements you made. I do disagree with you in terms of cutting off empathy if someone does have substance misuse issues though. And I understand the stats. I helped compile the research you’re referring to.
So on some level, do you understand why i reserve my empathy for people who never had choices over people who made bad ones? I realise that in a perfect world we'd be nice to everyone but I'm sick of hearing how we need to stop a poxy spend on foreign aid.
I totally do understand. But do you understand that trauma in the key stages of childhood can lead people to not having the best chances to make positive choices - in which case where did choice come from or should we only support children’s charities and not the knowledge we have of how trauma can impact on people?
Yes i get that. The difference is that nobody is screaming that we should take money away from government services aimed at vulnerable british children. Somehow people think it's acceptable when those children are in other countries...
Oh I am in agreement with you there. Hence my first response on the thread. Yep "
Good. So what did we agree - i got a bit side tracked on the drugs issue - tell the homeless to fuck off or be nice to the homeless? |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Not all homless people have been put out on the street by their own doing. Take for example ex soldiers come back from war zones with mental health issues they cant hold down a job so end up in the street. Yeah fuck the homless
All we hear is austerity and cut backs so cut back on the foreign add and use it at home
Homelessness is an issue caused by much more than financial issues. What about lack of housing? What about all the people who own more than one home and charge extortionate rent or have a "holiday home" that sits empty for most of the year? It's a societal issue not financial. people who own more than one home or have a home abroad have probably worked dam hard for it and have become successful,as for the lack of housing it’s mostly for the families who don’t work and the average working British family haven’t got a chance in hell of getting a council house! I was on a waiting list for a house with a partner for 9 years and nothing got offered to us! We worked and wanted to pay for it and contribute back into the council and do it the right way not through the dss,the lady who filled in the paperwork who works for the council said you know you both haven’t got a chance of getting a house? We said why? Well because you both work and your white and you haven’t got any children with needs and your not a foreigner! That is true and and that was early 2000s
So how will money solve it? by putting money back into the pot rather than constantly taking out and not putting in,its like a piggy bank the money has to come from somewhere if you don’t top it up there will be no money to dip into if you keeping taking out.
But where will the money go? How will it help? There are no houses. "
There is houses being chucked up everywhere! New builds new estates everywhere to try and cope with the over population of this small island.The issue is who’s paying for them houses and are the occupants paying to live there or is the state paying to keep them and the kids that life in them that’s the issue. |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Not all homless people have been put out on the street by their own doing. Take for example ex soldiers come back from war zones with mental health issues they cant hold down a job so end up in the street. Yeah fuck the homless
All we hear is austerity and cut backs so cut back on the foreign add and use it at home
Homelessness is an issue caused by much more than financial issues. What about lack of housing? What about all the people who own more than one home and charge extortionate rent or have a "holiday home" that sits empty for most of the year? It's a societal issue not financial. people who own more than one home or have a home abroad have probably worked dam hard for it and have become successful,as for the lack of housing it’s mostly for the families who don’t work and the average working British family haven’t got a chance in hell of getting a council house! I was on a waiting list for a house with a partner for 9 years and nothing got offered to us! We worked and wanted to pay for it and contribute back into the council and do it the right way not through the dss,the lady who filled in the paperwork who works for the council said you know you both haven’t got a chance of getting a house? We said why? Well because you both work and your white and you haven’t got any children with needs and your not a foreigner! That is true and and that was early 2000s
So how will money solve it? by putting money back into the pot rather than constantly taking out and not putting in,its like a piggy bank the money has to come from somewhere if you don’t top it up there will be no money to dip into if you keeping taking out.
But where will the money go? How will it help? There are no houses. There is houses being chucked up everywhere! New builds new estates everywhere to try and cope with the over population of this small island.The issue is who’s paying for them houses and are the occupants paying to live there or is the state paying to keep them and the kids that live* in them that’s the issue."
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested.
Oh I hadn’t realised you’d met every homeless person in the UK. I actually know a homeless person who was a child sex slave trafficked from the Phillipines. And I’m not joking.
Yes people who don't understand how statistics work often think you need to meet every single person rather than take a sample.
Tell me, of your homeless buddies, how many are not regular drug users and how many have not used crack or heroin in the last month?
Correlation does not equal causation.
How do you know that they haven't become addicts to cope with living on the street?
I'm always slightly bemused by the "fuck 'em, they'll only spend it on drugs" attitude...they live on the street, what do you expect them to spend it on, fucking scatter cushions?
Fuck it, I'd probably spend it on drugs if that was my life
Because i know what the minimum wage is, how easy minimum wage jobs are because I've done them and how much rent is. Do the maths. "
Right. And how are you supposed to even get an interview when your address is "No fixed abode"?
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested.
Oh I hadn’t realised you’d met every homeless person in the UK. I actually know a homeless person who was a child sex slave trafficked from the Phillipines. And I’m not joking.
Yes people who don't understand how statistics work often think you need to meet every single person rather than take a sample.
Tell me, of your homeless buddies, how many are not regular drug users and how many have not used crack or heroin in the last month?
What’s the reason for using the term “buddies”, professional boundaries are important to me..?
And I refer you to the research. I’m not countering the couple of global statements you made. I do disagree with you in terms of cutting off empathy if someone does have substance misuse issues though. And I understand the stats. I helped compile the research you’re referring to.
So on some level, do you understand why i reserve my empathy for people who never had choices over people who made bad ones? I realise that in a perfect world we'd be nice to everyone but I'm sick of hearing how we need to stop a poxy spend on foreign aid.
I totally do understand. But do you understand that trauma in the key stages of childhood can lead people to not having the best chances to make positive choices - in which case where did choice come from or should we only support children’s charities and not the knowledge we have of how trauma can impact on people?
Yes i get that. The difference is that nobody is screaming that we should take money away from government services aimed at vulnerable british children. Somehow people think it's acceptable when those children are in other countries...
Oh I am in agreement with you there. Hence my first response on the thread. Yep
Good. So what did we agree - i got a bit side tracked on the drugs issue - tell the homeless to fuck off or be nice to the homeless? "
The latter. But that if *you* had to prioritise you would want to support the children before you supported those in need in adulthood. And that you like to be thanked when you provide charity. |
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Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested.
Oh I hadn’t realised you’d met every homeless person in the UK. I actually know a homeless person who was a child sex slave trafficked from the Phillipines. And I’m not joking.
Yes people who don't understand how statistics work often think you need to meet every single person rather than take a sample.
Tell me, of your homeless buddies, how many are not regular drug users and how many have not used crack or heroin in the last month?
Correlation does not equal causation.
How do you know that they haven't become addicts to cope with living on the street?
I'm always slightly bemused by the "fuck 'em, they'll only spend it on drugs" attitude...they live on the street, what do you expect them to spend it on, fucking scatter cushions?
Fuck it, I'd probably spend it on drugs if that was my life
Because i know what the minimum wage is, how easy minimum wage jobs are because I've done them and how much rent is. Do the maths.
Right. And how are you supposed to even get an interview when your address is "No fixed abode"?
Riddle me that..."
If you go through life without being a cunt to everyone, something addicts find near impossible, then it's basically implausible you wouldn't know someone who would let you use their postal address to help get back on your feet. Or 'have some real friends' to put it simply. |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested.
Oh I hadn’t realised you’d met every homeless person in the UK. I actually know a homeless person who was a child sex slave trafficked from the Phillipines. And I’m not joking.
Yes people who don't understand how statistics work often think you need to meet every single person rather than take a sample.
Tell me, of your homeless buddies, how many are not regular drug users and how many have not used crack or heroin in the last month?
What’s the reason for using the term “buddies”, professional boundaries are important to me..?
And I refer you to the research. I’m not countering the couple of global statements you made. I do disagree with you in terms of cutting off empathy if someone does have substance misuse issues though. And I understand the stats. I helped compile the research you’re referring to.
So on some level, do you understand why i reserve my empathy for people who never had choices over people who made bad ones? I realise that in a perfect world we'd be nice to everyone but I'm sick of hearing how we need to stop a poxy spend on foreign aid.
I totally do understand. But do you understand that trauma in the key stages of childhood can lead people to not having the best chances to make positive choices - in which case where did choice come from or should we only support children’s charities and not the knowledge we have of how trauma can impact on people?
Yes i get that. The difference is that nobody is screaming that we should take money away from government services aimed at vulnerable british children. Somehow people think it's acceptable when those children are in other countries...
Oh I am in agreement with you there. Hence my first response on the thread. Yep
Good. So what did we agree - i got a bit side tracked on the drugs issue - tell the homeless to fuck off or be nice to the homeless?
The latter. But that if *you* had to prioritise you would want to support the children before you supported those in need in adulthood. And that you like to be thanked when you provide charity. "
Ok i'll start now. Don't read the post above. It starts now. 3, 2, 1... |
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested.
Oh I hadn’t realised you’d met every homeless person in the UK. I actually know a homeless person who was a child sex slave trafficked from the Phillipines. And I’m not joking.
Yes people who don't understand how statistics work often think you need to meet every single person rather than take a sample.
Tell me, of your homeless buddies, how many are not regular drug users and how many have not used crack or heroin in the last month?
What’s the reason for using the term “buddies”, professional boundaries are important to me..?
And I refer you to the research. I’m not countering the couple of global statements you made. I do disagree with you in terms of cutting off empathy if someone does have substance misuse issues though. And I understand the stats. I helped compile the research you’re referring to.
So on some level, do you understand why i reserve my empathy for people who never had choices over people who made bad ones? I realise that in a perfect world we'd be nice to everyone but I'm sick of hearing how we need to stop a poxy spend on foreign aid.
I totally do understand. But do you understand that trauma in the key stages of childhood can lead people to not having the best chances to make positive choices - in which case where did choice come from or should we only support children’s charities and not the knowledge we have of how trauma can impact on people?
Yes i get that. The difference is that nobody is screaming that we should take money away from government services aimed at vulnerable british children. Somehow people think it's acceptable when those children are in other countries...
Oh I am in agreement with you there. Hence my first response on the thread. Yep
Good. So what did we agree - i got a bit side tracked on the drugs issue - tell the homeless to fuck off or be nice to the homeless?
The latter. But that if *you* had to prioritise you would want to support the children before you supported those in need in adulthood. And that you like to be thanked when you provide charity.
Ok i'll start now. Don't read the post above. It starts now. 3, 2, 1..."
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"Fuck the homeless. I don't have to have sympathy for people because they were born on the same island as me. Go travel the world OP and see people with real problems that they didn't create for themselves.
Would you be willing to come and meet the homeless I work with and listen to why they are?
It might be educational for you. I know you like proper research.
Hell no. I have done work with them before and that's why i can't stand them. They aren't the least bit grateful for anything other than drug money. As i say, i'll save my charity for people with real problems they didn't create.
An orphanage that rehabilitates filipino child sex slaves is one of my priority donations if you're interested.
Oh I hadn’t realised you’d met every homeless person in the UK. I actually know a homeless person who was a child sex slave trafficked from the Phillipines. And I’m not joking.
Yes people who don't understand how statistics work often think you need to meet every single person rather than take a sample.
Tell me, of your homeless buddies, how many are not regular drug users and how many have not used crack or heroin in the last month?
Correlation does not equal causation.
How do you know that they haven't become addicts to cope with living on the street?
I'm always slightly bemused by the "fuck 'em, they'll only spend it on drugs" attitude...they live on the street, what do you expect them to spend it on, fucking scatter cushions?
Fuck it, I'd probably spend it on drugs if that was my life
Because i know what the minimum wage is, how easy minimum wage jobs are because I've done them and how much rent is. Do the maths.
Right. And how are you supposed to even get an interview when your address is "No fixed abode"?
Riddle me that...
If you go through life without being a cunt to everyone, something addicts find near impossible, then it's basically implausible you wouldn't know someone who would let you use their postal address to help get back on your feet. Or 'have some real friends' to put it simply. "
Nonsense, there are myriad reasons why someone might end up homeless and have no friends - they could have been through the care system, run away from an abusive home, you're treating this as though these people can be lumped under one umbrella instead of being individuals |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Whole heartedly agree, we give far too much money to countries which don't need it. India for example, £600 million a year we give to them and they have a space programme, more billionaires then any other country and an unbelievable lax tax system. What we should be doing is giving free advice to such countries about raising taxes and looking after their own people."
Just think of it as reparations if it helps.... |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Two separate questions and so easily conflated.
Should the UK Government spend money looking after the citizens of the UK - the NHS, housing, welfare etc.
Yes.
Should the UK Government, as one of the wealthier countries on the planet, spend money helping the less well-off.
Yes.
It's not an either/or question.
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"Two separate questions and so easily conflated.
Should the UK Government spend money looking after the citizens of the UK - the NHS, housing, welfare etc.
Yes.
Should the UK Government, as one of the wealthier countries on the planet, spend money helping the less well-off.
Yes.
It's not an either/or question.
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"I knew this would get differs t opinions from different people. All I'm saying is why don't they look after people of Britain, not being funny but how many of these other countries ha e ever helped us, we've had major floods, grenfull tower....... No one helped us for these. Sending money to third world countries constantly, however they still keep producing children. This country is going to the dogs and it's the leaders who are running us that are to blame "
Agree, plus as regards to the homeless and poverty in general is part of tory ideology, they don't want to help the homeless |
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Its another Tory piss take OP at the same time as taking money from the poorest in this country they give even more to foreign bodies be it in aid like this or fees for stripping benefits from those who need state aid to make ends meet in this country. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
Just to be clear. This isn't new or extra money. It comes out of our existing Foreign Aid budget, under the Charity Match scheme.
There are many of these schemes, were certain charities can apply to have their donations matched pound for pound by the Government.
This encourages greater giving all round. |
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By *athy1Couple
over a year ago
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"I knew this would get differs t opinions from different people. All I'm saying is why don't they look after people of Britain, not being funny but how many of these other countries ha e ever helped us, we've had major floods, grenfull tower....... No one helped us for these. Sending money to third world countries constantly, however they still keep producing children. This country is going to the dogs and it's the leaders who are running us that are to blame
Agree, plus as regards to the homeless and poverty in general is part of tory ideology, they don't want to help the homeless "
They don’t want to help anyone except themselves forget brexit for a minute this country is in the biggest mess ever
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Just to be clear. This isn't new or extra money. It comes out of our existing Foreign Aid budget, under the Charity Match scheme.
There are many of these schemes, were certain charities can apply to have their donations matched pound for pound by the Government.
This encourages greater giving all round."
Exactly the same as gift aid |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I knew this would get differs t opinions from different people. All I'm saying is why don't they look after people of Britain, not being funny but how many of these other countries ha e ever helped us, we've had major floods, grenfull tower....... No one helped us for these. Sending money to third world countries constantly, however they still keep producing children. This country is going to the dogs and it's the leaders who are running us that are to blame
Agree, plus as regards to the homeless and poverty in general is part of tory ideology, they don't want to help the homeless
They don’t want to help anyone except themselves forget brexit for a minute this country is in the biggest mess ever
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Its Only going to get worse. Everything is increasing, companies are going out of business as they can't afford to trade and all the government can do is talk about brexit |
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