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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Is this not the Biggest White Elephant Ever ?

Why not build Coastal Motor Ways to revive our resorts and Ports instead ?

Imagine a Moterway linking Hull to Newcastle ?

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By *oxychick35Couple  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


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lol . I wasn't expecting any support !

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is this not the Biggest White Elephant Ever ?

Why not build Coastal Motor Ways to revive our resorts and Ports instead ?

Imagine a Moterway linking Hull to Newcastle ?"

Lack of demand has most probably been a major factor

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Is this not the Biggest White Elephant Ever ?

Why not build Coastal Motor Ways to revive our resorts and Ports instead ?

Imagine a Moterway linking Hull to Newcastle ?

Lack of demand has most probably been a major factor "

Transport links create demand tho .

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

But if it's linking one turd to another does that create "demand"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is this not the Biggest White Elephant Ever ?

Why not build Coastal Motor Ways to revive our resorts and Ports instead ?

Imagine a Moterway linking Hull to Newcastle ?"

Is it any coincidence that all that traffic would then avoid the A1(M) and Wetherby?

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By *ercuryMan  over a year ago

Grantham

The UK has been slow to embrace High Speed train travel. Belgium, Holland, Germany, France and Spain have all realised that you can't run modern high speed trains on Victorian infrastructure.

For some reason, they just get on and do it. No protracted delays, no mass protests and it works.

HS2 is necessary. My worry is that costs will spiral, and by the time it's complete, it will be already outdated.

Time to be bold. Just like Heathrow, think out of the box for major infrastructure. Third runway at Heathrow? No, build a fourth whilst we are at it. HS2? No, think Hyperloop.

Time for the UK to show the world what we can do.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Hs2 just to increase the spread of London commuter belt,be out of date before it's built,can't see the benefit apart from increased house prices in areas travel able for the lemmings to head to london

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By *igsteve43Man  over a year ago

derby

Mine and most peoples main problem with hs2 is location , phase 1 is going on a route with no real current issues and for what?to save ten minutes wow what value for money . Phase 1 should be liverpool tohull via manchester and leeds, phase 2 manchester to glasgow or ediburgh and then only then should we link to london

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By *illwill69uMan  over a year ago

moston

I think HS 2 is long overdue the problem is by the time it is built it will be obsolete.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central

The current HS2 is one version of many that could have transpired - it's route has been varied too. Part of the problem is that UK rail infrastructure and services are fragmented, so that any 'joined-up thinking', if it ever happens, includes that fragmentation and potentially adds further fragmentation to the whole system. This fragmentation is largely a sacred cow, whilst any government is in power that supports its retention. Fragmentation may or may not be in the UK's national interest - I'm inclined to believe, based on how it's operated, its costs to the taxpayer, the value to the public and how well it might be fit for the future, that it is not the best solution.

The above needs are just part of the picture of course, it's a complex matter - and how the UK could increase rail usage take-up is another and I think that this should be a priority. The thinking on whether this should be, is perhaps suggested by the government inspired review of rail fares:

there is a complex fare system in place and whilst simplification is potentially a wonderful thing, one publicised option is to create flat fares, with the overall average cost of travelling remaining the same but this could equal increases to off-peak travel, when services quieter. If increasing fares on average, during quiet periods is being considered, it doesn't hint that they're considering increasing rail usage as a priority, even though this is a substantial review of the ticket options system that is infrequently undertaken.

Part of the problem with HS2 imo is that it becomes another bolt-on travel option, that creates new stations, more interchanging for passengers and thus more journey complexity. Complexity likely results in traveller deterrence in many instances, having created a new barrier. Are further barriers needed, in order to sustain or increase rail travel? Almost certainly not.

Part of the issue with HS2 is that it potentially sustains or increases the south-centric divide between north and south: it potentially makes more commuting from London jobs more feasible: this could increase the property prices towards London's, in those areas where people work in London but commute from outside. The alternative is to increase the business activity outside of London instead, via relocation etc.

Just as with the London Garden Bridge, which swallowed £37 million, without a brick or girder laid, thanks to Boris, HS2 has also consumed vast amounts of taxpayers' money. I don't think the public are particularly in favour of it and I don't believe it's the right solution either, for many reasons.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

We live on an island that's 900 miles tip to tip!!.

London to Manchester is what? 200 miles?.

There's absolutely no need for super fast trains, what we actually need is increased train travel and increased routes with cheaper prices, linked to good bus, tram and cycle ways, we need inner city transport sorting, there's 40,000 people a year dying from air pollution but 80 at Grenfell takes the limelight.

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By *mmabluTV/TS  over a year ago

upton wirral


"Is this not the Biggest White Elephant Ever ?

Why not build Coastal Motor Ways to revive our resorts and Ports instead ?

Imagine a Moterway linking Hull to Newcastle ?"

Yes a complete waste of money,we need a rail link from Liverpool through Manchester,Leeds and Hull but as allways the North West is ignored.Also third runway at Heathrow is wrong,everything is for London and the South East

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By *oo hotCouple  over a year ago

North West

The West Coast mainline is running at virtual 100% capacity. Yes, platforms can be lengthened where possible and certain stations may get longer trains increasing capacity slightly,

HS2 immediately doubles capacity (if not more) by adding entirely new track and rolling stock. If you are going to build a new track - should it be build to modern standards in order that large trains can run fast, efficiently and at maximum capacity or do we build more Victorian era rail track and use out of date rolling stock?

The extra capacity is needed anyway - so why not plan and build the best that is available instead of making unnecessary compromises?

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By *oo hotCouple  over a year ago

North West

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By *andS66Couple  over a year ago

Derby


"Is this not the Biggest White Elephant Ever ?

Why not build Coastal Motor Ways to revive our resorts and Ports instead ?

Imagine a Moterway linking Hull to Newcastle ?"

I am....but there is a reason why there's only one road in and out of Hull.

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By *ensualtouch15Man  over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Is this not the Biggest White Elephant Ever ?

Why not build Coastal Motor Ways to revive our resorts and Ports instead ?

Imagine a Moterway linking Hull to Newcastle ?"

It's because of the Eu

When the UK leaves all of its inhabitants will totally agree with one another for the countries direction and what ever government is elected the will only do the exact will me the people , thus your motorways will be agreed and built in just over 9 months time xxx

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Is this not the Biggest White Elephant Ever ?

Why not build Coastal Motor Ways to revive our resorts and Ports instead ?

Imagine a Moterway linking Hull to Newcastle ?

It's because of the Eu

When the UK leaves all of its inhabitants will totally agree with one another for the countries direction and what ever government is elected the will only do the exact will me the people , thus your motorways will be agreed and built in just over 9 months time xxx

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Brilliant ?? I always knew we could do it !

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By *igsteve43Man  over a year ago

derby


"The West Coast mainline is running at virtual 100% capacity. Yes, platforms can be lengthened where possible and certain stations may get longer trains increasing capacity slightly,

HS2 immediately doubles capacity (if not more) by adding entirely new track and rolling stock. If you are going to build a new track - should it be build to modern standards in order that large trains can run fast, efficiently and at maximum capacity or do we build more Victorian era rail track and use out of date rolling stock?

The extra capacity is needed anyway - so why not plan and build the best that is available instead of making unnecessary compromises?"

We use the west mainline quite a lot going from crew to edinburgh or london and never have a problem getting a seat , though i agree where new rail is needed it should be hs or hyperloop , i am saying there are plenty of areas in more need than the west mainline. Also you say it doubles capacity but seeming as phase 1 has no stops between london and birmingham it cannot possibly double capacity for the whole line?

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By *amelhunterMan  over a year ago

newcastle


"Hs2 just to increase the spread of London commuter belt,be out of date before it's built,can't see the benefit apart from increased house prices in areas travel able for the lemmings to head to london"

Truth.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is this not the Biggest White Elephant Ever ?

Why not build Coastal Motor Ways to revive our resorts and Ports instead ?

Imagine a Moterway linking Hull to Newcastle ?"

Save tbe nhs, police and fire service too. Or provide for the eldetly, sick and disabled!

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By *oo hotCouple  over a year ago

North West


"The West Coast mainline is running at virtual 100% capacity. Yes, platforms can be lengthened where possible and certain stations may get longer trains increasing capacity slightly,

HS2 immediately doubles capacity (if not more) by adding entirely new track and rolling stock. If you are going to build a new track - should it be build to modern standards in order that large trains can run fast, efficiently and at maximum capacity or do we build more Victorian era rail track and use out of date rolling stock?

The extra capacity is needed anyway - so why not plan and build the best that is available instead of making unnecessary compromises?

We use the west mainline quite a lot going from crew to edinburgh or london and never have a problem getting a seat , though i agree where new rail is needed it should be hs or hyperloop , i am saying there are plenty of areas in more need than the west mainline. Also you say it doubles capacity but seeming as phase 1 has no stops between london and birmingham it cannot possibly double capacity for the whole line?"

The West Coast main line operates multiple trains between London and Birmingham - some stop, some don’t. The same line goes on to split at Birmingham before coming back together in Staffordshire and services Manchester as well as Preston and northwards. It is a very, very busy track.

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By *ercuryMan  over a year ago

Grantham

A high speed line between South and North is essential; whether HS2 is the answer is open to debate.

Over here, the East Coast mainline is also at capacity. Some tinkering may be possible but it won't allow for anything substantial.

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