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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It comes after tommy robinson got send down for 13 month with not his own lawyer representing him, the case is now lifted, whats your view?"
Democratic? Dependants on your personal views on how much power an individual should have in the decision making process of governance.
Better question is:
"Is freedom of speech under threat in the UK?"
And the answer is yes. |
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"It comes after tommy robinson got send down for 13 month with not his own lawyer representing him, the case is now lifted, whats your view?"
This happened last week, I’m Irish but I’ve lived in this county 20yrs. I’ve never met Tommy but i think what’s happened is discusting. He’s been sentenced to 13m, what have the grooming gangs been sentenced to ? |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"What exactly had he done ?
Thier does seem to be a witch hunt against him ."
despite having a suspended sentence for breaking a court ordered gagging order he broadcast from the court during an ongoing trail that is part of an ongoing series of trials of a peopdophilegrooming gang therefore putting the all trails at risk .so despite being told not to and having a suspended sentence he did it anyway wethr that was a deliberate act or just sheer stupidity is another question he was arrested and brought before the courts for contempt the suspended sentence was activated oh and he pleaded guilty so knew what he was doing .the judge placed reporting restrictions so as not to risk the original cases he was protesting about . this has subsequently been lifted and is being reported in mainstream media boom tommy or whatever his name is now has got the publicity he wanted . the victims well there ordeal may have been prolonged if he had caused a misstrial .
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
A publicity stunt designed to enable his supporters to post threads on the internet depicting him as a victim.
People were on trial for serious crimes. Their right to a fair trial outweighs his right to pronounce them guilty during that trial and broadcast to all and sundry on the internet. In fact, he has no right - it is subjudice.
He'd been warned.
Funny thing is I have not seen any threads about the other court case where an EDF supporter was convicted of being a peadophile.
Where is the angry mob demanding the lynching of all EDF supporters for being paedophiles?
There isn't one. EDF attracts a peculiarly ignorant type of person.
And there are two less of them on the streets now. Hurrah!
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"A publicity stunt designed to enable his supporters to post threads on the internet depicting him as a victim.
People were on trial for serious crimes. Their right to a fair trial outweighs his right to pronounce them guilty during that trial and broadcast to all and sundry on the internet. In fact, he has no right - it is subjudice.
He resigned from the EDF in 2013
He'd been warned.
Funny thing is I have not seen any threads about the other court case where an EDF supporter was convicted of being a peadophile.
Where is the angry mob demanding the lynching of all EDF supporters for being paedophiles?
There isn't one. EDF attracts a peculiarly ignorant type of person.
And there are two less of them on the streets now. Hurrah!
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"It comes after tommy robinson got send down for 13 month with not his own lawyer representing him, the case is now lifted, whats your view?"
What is the issue at hand? Democracy, or the judiciary? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Every who thinks Yaxley-Lennon (lets the bastard's real name, at least) got a raw deal, google a blog called The Secret Barrister and read up on what actually happened. He got what was coming to him. |
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In answer to your thread question, OP, no, Briton is not a democracy, in fact Briton never claims to be a democracy. It is a Parliamentary Democracy, which is not the same thing regardless of how many believe otherwise.
As for the question you pose in your OP, what has the verdict of a jury and the sentence handed down by a judge in a criminal court and the administration of justice got to do with democracy? |
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"Better question is:
"Is freedom of speech under threat in the UK?"
And the answer is yes."
There is and never has been freedom of speech in any part of the UK. We have limited freedom of expression under the law, and that has been the way always.
Up until relatively recently it was possible for the state to have any subject of the Crown executed if their speech was deemed to be treasonous regardless of where they spoke. The last time we killed someone for what they said was Lord Haw-Haw was a nickname applied to the Irish-American William Joyce. There are then the defamation laws which restrict speech against others, the blasphemy laws which restrict speech against god and the established church, the Race Relations Act that restricts speech based on ethnic background and the anti terrorism acts that restrict speech in so many ways. then of course there are the publications laws that require anyone printing anything to be licensed.
So please stop with the our freedom of speech nonsense. And just to be clear if anything our freedom to speak has grown not shrunk in the last 50 years because we are no longer at risk of execution if the state do not approve of what we say! |
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The only "freedom of speech" exists in the press. If any single, private person was shouting out some of the stuff the Daily Mail publishes, he/she'd be charged with "inciting hatred" despite the fact that his/her audience was nowhere near as big as the DM's. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"In answer to your thread question, OP, no, Briton is not a democracy, in fact Briton never claims to be a democracy. It is a Parliamentary Democracy, which is not the same thing regardless of how many believe otherwise.
As for the question you pose in your OP, what has the verdict of a jury and the sentence handed down by a judge in a criminal court and the administration of justice got to do with democracy?"
Yes, when a right is taken away from you like this, it is down to not so democratic society. |
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"Yes, when a right is taken away from you like this,
it is down to not so democratic society."
What does this word salad mean?
What right was taken away?
It is what?
By the way the same law he was convicted of breaking applies to all of us. Further, if the right taken away you refer to is his right to liberty, are you suggesting that he (and by extension all of us) should not be subject to the rule of law and imprisonment?
Please stop trying to out Trump Trump, it does not suit you and lowers the standard of debate. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Nah.
This isn't about freedom of speech.
It's about the right of any citizen being prosecuted to the state to a fair trial, free from prejudicial commentary that could influence a jury.
It's a serious crime. |
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"Nah.
This isn't about freedom of speech.
It's about the right of any citizen being prosecuted to the state to a fair trial, free from prejudicial commentary that could influence a jury.
It's a serious crime."
Are you claiming that there was prejudicial commentary and that the Judge conspired to pervert the course of justice and thus corrupted their public office by not enforcing the law as it relates to the reporting of justice?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Yes, when a right is taken away from you like this,
it is down to not so democratic society.
What does this word salad mean?
What right was taken away?
It is what?
By the way the same law he was convicted of breaking applies to all of us. Further, if the right taken away you refer to is his right to liberty, are you suggesting that he (and by extension all of us) should not be subject to the rule of law and imprisonment?
Please stop trying to out Trump Trump, it does not suit you and lowers the standard of debate."
Everyone still have the basic right to a fair trial with their own lawyer. |
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"Everyone still have the basic right to a fair trial with their own lawyer."
Actually they don't.
One of the rights 'PigFuckerDave' removed from everyone was that. you only have a right to choose your own lawyer if you can pay for them yourself. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes, when a right is taken away from you like this,
it is down to not so democratic society.
What does this word salad mean?
What right was taken away?
It is what?
By the way the same law he was convicted of breaking applies to all of us. Further, if the right taken away you refer to is his right to liberty, are you suggesting that he (and by extension all of us) should not be subject to the rule of law and imprisonment?
Please stop trying to out Trump Trump, it does not suit you and lowers the standard of debate.Everyone still have the basic right to a fair trial with their own lawyer."
Actually, in contempt of court, there's no right to a trial at all. The judge has the power to deal with the issue immediately on a summary basis. Yaxley-Lennon did receive legal representation; his first-choice solicitor may not have been available, but a solicitor was made available and he was represented in court by an experienced barrister.
No matter how you twist it, no rights were violated - except those of the accused and victims in the trial he tried to sabotage, and those rights were violated by him alone. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Everyone still have the basic right to a fair trial with their own lawyer.
Actually they don't.
One of the rights 'PigFuckerDave' removed from everyone was that. you only have a right to choose your own lawyer if you can pay for them yourself."
The innocence tax is a whole other matter. |
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"It comes after tommy robinson got send down for 13 month with not his own lawyer representing him, the case is now lifted, whats your view?
Democratic? Dependants on your personal views on how much power an individual should have in the decision making process of governance.
Better question is:
"Is freedom of speech under threat in the UK?"
And the answer is yes."
You do know that Mr Yaxley-Lennon pleaded guilty to the charges dont you? |
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"Yes, when a right is taken away from you like this,
it is down to not so democratic society.
What does this word salad mean?
What right was taken away?
It is what?
By the way the same law he was convicted of breaking applies to all of us. Further, if the right taken away you refer to is his right to liberty, are you suggesting that he (and by extension all of us) should not be subject to the rule of law and imprisonment?
Please stop trying to out Trump Trump, it does not suit you and lowers the standard of debate.Everyone still have the basic right to a fair trial with their own lawyer."
He appointed his own QC actually. Get your facts right |
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"He appointed his own QC actually. Get your facts right"
So what is the problem? He had the means to pay for his won defence and therefore there can be no excuse that he was represented by second class legal minds to save the public purse (as happens to so many innocents who cant afford to pick their own lawyers).
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"He appointed his own QC actually. Get your facts right
So what is the problem? He had the means to pay for his won defence and therefore there can be no excuse that he was represented by second class legal minds to save the public purse (as happens to so many innocents who cant afford to pick their own lawyers).
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Oops i didnt mean to quote you. I was trying to point out to the conspiracy theorists that Yaxley-Lennon had his own QC and pleaded guilty. That hardly makes him a martyr nor this a conspiracy |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The innocence tax is a whole other matter.
Quietly_Kinky, I think you and I are on the same side here. Just I like to use hyperbole to really drive home my point.
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I'm pretty sure we are, but if we start on the innocence tax we'll never have time to properly deal with the racist apologists. |
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"Oops i didnt mean to quote you. I was trying to point out to the conspiracy theorists that Yaxley-Lennon had his own QC and pleaded guilty. That hardly makes him a martyr nor this a conspiracy"
No worries, between us we drove a point home...
No doubt soon we will be accused of conspiring to make the obvious Chrystal clear!
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"I'm pretty sure we are, but if we start on the innocence tax we'll never have time to properly deal with the racist apologists. "
I am suitable humbled and will now retire to my trolling abode under the alt right fascist enabling bridge... |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Nah.
This isn't about freedom of speech.
It's about the right of any citizen being prosecuted to the state to a fair trial, free from prejudicial commentary that could influence a jury.
It's a serious crime.
Are you claiming that there was prejudicial commentary and that the Judge conspired to pervert the course of justice and thus corrupted their public office by not enforcing the law as it relates to the reporting of justice?
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You need to get some spectacles  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's not a witch hunt against him.
He's a racist prick who knew exactly what he was doing, why would he have it all filmed otherwise.
Also, to all the "Free Tommy" morons, he pleaded 'guilty'! |
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He doesn't seem a particularly pleasant man and he appears to hold UK law in contempt, which should spark alarm when the person has been involved politically as well as when harmed children should get the justice they deserve.
He's potentially opening the way for other children to be seriously harmed. Dangerous and he knew what he was doing as well as the consequences. I hope he disappears away from making efforts that would harm people and especially children. |
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