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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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nothing the uk government is doing is suggesting they are preparing for a hard brexit , so from an EU point of view they must be going to agree to some kind of customs agreement that will cover the entire UK ,
There is 10 months to brexit at this stage the government would want to be well on the way to replacing regulatory and governance bodies , there would be plans in place for customs at ports and air ports and nothing is happening , so that means the uk won't be going down the hard brexit approach , if they can't use that as credible threat then they will have to do a deal that's
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"They need a massive building programme at ports and airports to accomodate the extra customs checks. As yet they haven't done this, and that will take a lot longer than 10m."
People (remainers) keep saying it would be illegal to leave the customs union and the EU without a deal and the UK would face huge fines from the WTO if the UK did not enforce it's borders. This is simply not the case, is false and is yet more lies from remainers. As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday in his interview on the BBC Andrew Marr show the UK could legally leave the EU and the customs union without a deal and not have to put in any border controls for upto 10 years. Rees Mogg did cite the exact law/rule/clause or whatever you want to call it, I suggest you watch the Andrew Marr show yesterday on BBC iplayer and listen to someone who knows what he's talking about on these issues. |
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Ya but my point is if they had a plan in place and ready to act on, then they would have notation strength , there no point saying we are leaving and are willing to go hard brexit , if they ant showing any signs of actually being prepared for that , |
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"Ya but my point is if they had a plan in place and ready to act on, then they would have notation strength , there no point saying we are leaving and are willing to go hard brexit , if they ant showing any signs of actually being prepared for that , "
They don't need to be fully prepared for it. As Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday on the BBC Andrew Marr show we would legally have upto 10 years to be able to put in place the extra infrastructure needed at airports, ports and other border points. The max fac technology solutions even remainers have admitted would be ready within 5 years. |
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"They need a massive building programme at ports and airports to accomodate the extra customs checks. As yet they haven't done this, and that will take a lot longer than 10m.
People (remainers) keep saying it would be illegal to leave the customs union and the EU without a deal and the UK would face huge fines from the WTO if the UK did not enforce it's borders. This is simply not the case, is false and is yet more lies from remainers. As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday in his interview on the BBC Andrew Marr show the UK could legally leave the EU and the customs union without a deal and not have to put in any border controls for upto 10 years. Rees Mogg did cite the exact law/rule/clause or whatever you want to call it, I suggest you watch the Andrew Marr show yesterday on BBC iplayer and listen to someone who knows what he's talking about on these issues. "
but the uk will need some kind of control on what gets into the uk you got to protect your own industry some how
If in the morning there is a trade deal done with let's say the US , how much goods of a particular type are you letting in tariff free all trade deals will work two ways UK takes 10 ton of beef for 1 ton of British steel to the US ,
If there ant propped controls in place how will you know how much beef came in ? |
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"Ya but my point is if they had a plan in place and ready to act on, then they would have notation strength , there no point saying we are leaving and are willing to go hard brexit , if they ant showing any signs of actually being prepared for that ,
They don't need to be fully prepared for it. As Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday on the BBC Andrew Marr show we would legally have upto 10 years to be able to put in place the extra infrastructure needed at airports, ports and other border points. The max fac technology solutions even remainers have admitted would be ready within 5 years. "
If borders are left open for 10 years there won't be an indigenous industry left in the UK , you got to protect them from cheap imports |
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"Ya but my point is if they had a plan in place and ready to act on, then they would have notation strength , there no point saying we are leaving and are willing to go hard brexit , if they ant showing any signs of actually being prepared for that ,
They don't need to be fully prepared for it. As Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday on the BBC Andrew Marr show we would legally have upto 10 years to be able to put in place the extra infrastructure needed at airports, ports and other border points. The max fac technology solutions even remainers have admitted would be ready within 5 years. "
He's talking about negotiation power. If we have no viable back up plan for no deal, we're effectively saying to the Eu "we'll take what you give us".
Btw, the article Rees-Mogg was talking about was 24 or 29. He memtioned it again on Daily politics during the week. However, this only covers the border issue.
Anyway, with regards to the OP, I think a customs arrangement is, in effect, a trade deal (especially if we're not staying in the current one but negotiating a new one) so I don't understand why the fuss. Is it because it's with Europe specifically? Would people go up in arms if we went into a customs arrangement with another block after brexit? Me thinks not. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"They need a massive building programme at ports and airports to accomodate the extra customs checks. As yet they haven't done this, and that will take a lot longer than 10m.
People (remainers) keep saying it would be illegal to leave the customs union and the EU without a deal and the UK would face huge fines from the WTO if the UK did not enforce it's borders. This is simply not the case, is false and is yet more lies from remainers. As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday in his interview on the BBC Andrew Marr show the UK could legally leave the EU and the customs union without a deal and not have to put in any border controls for upto 10 years. Rees Mogg did cite the exact law/rule/clause or whatever you want to call it, I suggest you watch the Andrew Marr show yesterday on BBC iplayer and listen to someone who knows what he's talking about on these issues. "
So your idea of a successful Brexit is one where there are no border controls for 10 yrs?  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Ya but my point is if they had a plan in place and ready to act on, then they would have notation strength , there no point saying we are leaving and are willing to go hard brexit , if they ant showing any signs of actually being prepared for that ,
They don't need to be fully prepared for it. As Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday on the BBC Andrew Marr show we would legally have upto 10 years to be able to put in place the extra infrastructure needed at airports, ports and other border points. The max fac technology solutions even remainers have admitted would be ready within 5 years.
He's talking about negotiation power. If we have no viable back up plan for no deal, we're effectively saying to the Eu "we'll take what you give us".
Btw, the article Rees-Mogg was talking about was 24 or 29. He memtioned it again on Daily politics during the week. However, this only covers the border issue.
Anyway, with regards to the OP, I think a customs arrangement is, in effect, a trade deal (especially if we're not staying in the current one but negotiating a new one) so I don't understand why the fuss. Is it because it's with Europe specifically? Would people go up in arms if we went into a customs arrangement with another block after brexit? Me thinks not."
Customs agreement and a trade deal are two very different things ,
Having a customs agreement will go part of the way to keeping borders open , But don't guarantee what's covered in trade deal |
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"Ya but my point is if they had a plan in place and ready to act on, then they would have notation strength , there no point saying we are leaving and are willing to go hard brexit , if they ant showing any signs of actually being prepared for that ,
They don't need to be fully prepared for it. As Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday on the BBC Andrew Marr show we would legally have upto 10 years to be able to put in place the extra infrastructure needed at airports, ports and other border points. The max fac technology solutions even remainers have admitted would be ready within 5 years.
He's talking about negotiation power. If we have no viable back up plan for no deal, we're effectively saying to the Eu "we'll take what you give us".
Btw, the article Rees-Mogg was talking about was 24 or 29. He memtioned it again on Daily politics during the week. However, this only covers the border issue.
Anyway, with regards to the OP, I think a customs arrangement is, in effect, a trade deal (especially if we're not staying in the current one but negotiating a new one) so I don't understand why the fuss. Is it because it's with Europe specifically? Would people go up in arms if we went into a customs arrangement with another block after brexit? Me thinks not.
Customs agreement and a trade deal are two very different things ,
Having a customs agreement will go part of the way to keeping borders open , But don't guarantee what's covered in trade deal "
Hence why the term "arrangement" is used. It could be modified to resemble a trade deal but include parts of the customs union too. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Ya but my point is if they had a plan in place and ready to act on, then they would have notation strength , there no point saying we are leaving and are willing to go hard brexit , if they ant showing any signs of actually being prepared for that ,
They don't need to be fully prepared for it. As Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday on the BBC Andrew Marr show we would legally have upto 10 years to be able to put in place the extra infrastructure needed at airports, ports and other border points. The max fac technology solutions even remainers have admitted would be ready within 5 years.
He's talking about negotiation power. If we have no viable back up plan for no deal, we're effectively saying to the Eu "we'll take what you give us".
Btw, the article Rees-Mogg was talking about was 24 or 29. He memtioned it again on Daily politics during the week. However, this only covers the border issue.
Anyway, with regards to the OP, I think a customs arrangement is, in effect, a trade deal (especially if we're not staying in the current one but negotiating a new one) so I don't understand why the fuss. Is it because it's with Europe specifically? Would people go up in arms if we went into a customs arrangement with another block after brexit? Me thinks not.
Customs agreement and a trade deal are two very different things ,
Having a customs agreement will go part of the way to keeping borders open , But don't guarantee what's covered in trade deal
Hence why the term "arrangement" is used. It could be modified to resemble a trade deal but include parts of the customs union too."
Think that's what the EU called cherry picking ,  and Ian Paisley Jr described as being half pregnant , |
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"They need a massive building programme at ports and airports to accomodate the extra customs checks. As yet they haven't done this, and that will take a lot longer than 10m.
People (remainers) keep saying it would be illegal to leave the customs union and the EU without a deal and the UK would face huge fines from the WTO if the UK did not enforce it's borders. This is simply not the case, is false and is yet more lies from remainers. As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday in his interview on the BBC Andrew Marr show the UK could legally leave the EU and the customs union without a deal and not have to put in any border controls for upto 10 years. Rees Mogg did cite the exact law/rule/clause or whatever you want to call it, I suggest you watch the Andrew Marr show yesterday on BBC iplayer and listen to someone who knows what he's talking about on these issues.
So your idea of a successful Brexit is one where there are no border controls for 10 yrs? "
Border controls with the rest of the world outside of the EU will carry on as they are now. It's no great stretch to accommodate the EU under that same system once we leave the EU. The point Jacob Ress Mogg was making was specific to the irish land border which only applies to less than 5% of the overall trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK. Over 90% of trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK goes direct between Rep of Ireland and Wales, England and Scotland. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"They need a massive building programme at ports and airports to accomodate the extra customs checks. As yet they haven't done this, and that will take a lot longer than 10m.
People (remainers) keep saying it would be illegal to leave the customs union and the EU without a deal and the UK would face huge fines from the WTO if the UK did not enforce it's borders. This is simply not the case, is false and is yet more lies from remainers. As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday in his interview on the BBC Andrew Marr show the UK could legally leave the EU and the customs union without a deal and not have to put in any border controls for upto 10 years. Rees Mogg did cite the exact law/rule/clause or whatever you want to call it, I suggest you watch the Andrew Marr show yesterday on BBC iplayer and listen to someone who knows what he's talking about on these issues.
So your idea of a successful Brexit is one where there are no border controls for 10 yrs?
Border controls with the rest of the world outside of the EU will carry on as they are now. It's no great stretch to accommodate the EU under that same system once we leave the EU. The point Jacob Ress Mogg was making was specific to the irish land border which only applies to less than 5% of the overall trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK. Over 90% of trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK goes direct between Rep of Ireland and Wales, England and Scotland. "
But a lot of UK trade with the rest of the world is brought into Rotterdam where it clears customs before going on to the uk , now the uk will have to handle that as well |
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The problem with JMRs "solution" is two fold:
1. It only covers land borders and not mainland Britain so it wont work for the majority of trade.
And 2. It still requires agreement from Ireland/EU to do it and thats not going to happen.
Shouldnt this idea be in the Brexiter fantasy thread? Seems more on topic there. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"They need a massive building programme at ports and airports to accomodate the extra customs checks. As yet they haven't done this, and that will take a lot longer than 10m.
People (remainers) keep saying it would be illegal to leave the customs union and the EU without a deal and the UK would face huge fines from the WTO if the UK did not enforce it's borders. This is simply not the case, is false and is yet more lies from remainers. As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday in his interview on the BBC Andrew Marr show the UK could legally leave the EU and the customs union without a deal and not have to put in any border controls for upto 10 years. Rees Mogg did cite the exact law/rule/clause or whatever you want to call it, I suggest you watch the Andrew Marr show yesterday on BBC iplayer and listen to someone who knows what he's talking about on these issues.
So your idea of a successful Brexit is one where there are no border controls for 10 yrs?
Border controls with the rest of the world outside of the EU will carry on as they are now. It's no great stretch to accommodate the EU under that same system once we leave the EU. The point Jacob Ress Mogg was making was specific to the irish land border which only applies to less than 5% of the overall trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK. Over 90% of trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK goes direct between Rep of Ireland and Wales, England and Scotland. "
Yes. There is. Hence my post that you quoted.
We Will need a massive building programme at all of our ports. The Road Haulage Association have previously said that if EU cargo is treated the same as the rest of the world's cargo, then the queue will stretch from Dover to Newmarket. |
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"They need a massive building programme at ports and airports to accomodate the extra customs checks. As yet they haven't done this, and that will take a lot longer than 10m.
People (remainers) keep saying it would be illegal to leave the customs union and the EU without a deal and the UK would face huge fines from the WTO if the UK did not enforce it's borders. This is simply not the case, is false and is yet more lies from remainers. As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday in his interview on the BBC Andrew Marr show the UK could legally leave the EU and the customs union without a deal and not have to put in any border controls for upto 10 years. Rees Mogg did cite the exact law/rule/clause or whatever you want to call it, I suggest you watch the Andrew Marr show yesterday on BBC iplayer and listen to someone who knows what he's talking about on these issues.
So your idea of a successful Brexit is one where there are no border controls for 10 yrs?
Border controls with the rest of the world outside of the EU will carry on as they are now. It's no great stretch to accommodate the EU under that same system once we leave the EU. The point Jacob Ress Mogg was making was specific to the irish land border which only applies to less than 5% of the overall trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK. Over 90% of trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK goes direct between Rep of Ireland and Wales, England and Scotland.
But a lot of UK trade with the rest of the world is brought into Rotterdam where it clears customs before going on to the uk , now the uk will have to handle that as well "
The UK is an Island and has many more ports than the Netherlands. The extra demand could easily be evenly distributed around the uk's various ports. The UK could after Brexit develop and construct superports and this would create new jobs and provide more growth for the UK. The plan for a new Superport in the UK has already been suggested by Richard Tice who is co-leader of the Leave means Leave Brexit campaign group along with ex director general of The British Chambers of Commerce John Longworth. |
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"They need a massive building programme at ports and airports to accomodate the extra customs checks. As yet they haven't done this, and that will take a lot longer than 10m.
People (remainers) keep saying it would be illegal to leave the customs union and the EU without a deal and the UK would face huge fines from the WTO if the UK did not enforce it's borders. This is simply not the case, is false and is yet more lies from remainers. As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday in his interview on the BBC Andrew Marr show the UK could legally leave the EU and the customs union without a deal and not have to put in any border controls for upto 10 years. Rees Mogg did cite the exact law/rule/clause or whatever you want to call it, I suggest you watch the Andrew Marr show yesterday on BBC iplayer and listen to someone who knows what he's talking about on these issues.
So your idea of a successful Brexit is one where there are no border controls for 10 yrs?
Border controls with the rest of the world outside of the EU will carry on as they are now. It's no great stretch to accommodate the EU under that same system once we leave the EU. The point Jacob Ress Mogg was making was specific to the irish land border which only applies to less than 5% of the overall trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK. Over 90% of trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK goes direct between Rep of Ireland and Wales, England and Scotland.
But a lot of UK trade with the rest of the world is brought into Rotterdam where it clears customs before going on to the uk , now the uk will have to handle that as well
The UK is an Island and has many more ports than the Netherlands. The extra demand could easily be evenly distributed around the uk's various ports. The UK could after Brexit develop and construct superports and this would create new jobs and provide more growth for the UK. The plan for a new Superport in the UK has already been suggested by Richard Tice who is co-leader of the Leave means Leave Brexit campaign group along with ex director general of The British Chambers of Commerce John Longworth. "
So the UK consumers are going to bear the cost of the extra transport costs to ship directly to the UK rather than through a hub like rotterdam?
And youre going to have all this extra capacity ready and these super ports built, finished and ready by the end of the transition period?
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"They need a massive building programme at ports and airports to accomodate the extra customs checks. As yet they haven't done this, and that will take a lot longer than 10m.
People (remainers) keep saying it would be illegal to leave the customs union and the EU without a deal and the UK would face huge fines from the WTO if the UK did not enforce it's borders. This is simply not the case, is false and is yet more lies from remainers. As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday in his interview on the BBC Andrew Marr show the UK could legally leave the EU and the customs union without a deal and not have to put in any border controls for upto 10 years. Rees Mogg did cite the exact law/rule/clause or whatever you want to call it, I suggest you watch the Andrew Marr show yesterday on BBC iplayer and listen to someone who knows what he's talking about on these issues.
So your idea of a successful Brexit is one where there are no border controls for 10 yrs?
Border controls with the rest of the world outside of the EU will carry on as they are now. It's no great stretch to accommodate the EU under that same system once we leave the EU. The point Jacob Ress Mogg was making was specific to the irish land border which only applies to less than 5% of the overall trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK. Over 90% of trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK goes direct between Rep of Ireland and Wales, England and Scotland.
But a lot of UK trade with the rest of the world is brought into Rotterdam where it clears customs before going on to the uk , now the uk will have to handle that as well
The UK is an Island and has many more ports than the Netherlands. The extra demand could easily be evenly distributed around the uk's various ports. The UK could after Brexit develop and construct superports and this would create new jobs and provide more growth for the UK. The plan for a new Superport in the UK has already been suggested by Richard Tice who is co-leader of the Leave means Leave Brexit campaign group along with ex director general of The British Chambers of Commerce John Longworth. "
Fucking hell Centaur! Are you even aware that the ports and airports are private companies? You expect them to give work to their competitors because the government has planned to fail by failing to plan?
This has nothing to do with the Netherlands, but thanks for trying to divert us.
There is NOTHING stopping the UK building a "Super Port", we haven't done it in the last 40 yrs, I don't know why you think this will change in the next 40 yrs.
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By *oo hotCouple
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"They need a massive building programme at ports and airports to accomodate the extra customs checks. As yet they haven't done this, and that will take a lot longer than 10m.
People (remainers) keep saying it would be illegal to leave the customs union and the EU without a deal and the UK would face huge fines from the WTO if the UK did not enforce it's borders. This is simply not the case, is false and is yet more lies from remainers. As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday in his interview on the BBC Andrew Marr show the UK could legally leave the EU and the customs union without a deal and not have to put in any border controls for upto 10 years. Rees Mogg did cite the exact law/rule/clause or whatever you want to call it, I suggest you watch the Andrew Marr show yesterday on BBC iplayer and listen to someone who knows what he's talking about on these issues.
So your idea of a successful Brexit is one where there are no border controls for 10 yrs?
Border controls with the rest of the world outside of the EU will carry on as they are now. It's no great stretch to accommodate the EU under that same system once we leave the EU. The point Jacob Ress Mogg was making was specific to the irish land border which only applies to less than 5% of the overall trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK. Over 90% of trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK goes direct between Rep of Ireland and Wales, England and Scotland.
But a lot of UK trade with the rest of the world is brought into Rotterdam where it clears customs before going on to the uk , now the uk will have to handle that as well
The UK is an Island and has many more ports than the Netherlands. The extra demand could easily be evenly distributed around the uk's various ports. The UK could after Brexit develop and construct superports and this would create new jobs and provide more growth for the UK. The plan for a new Superport in the UK has already been suggested by Richard Tice who is co-leader of the Leave means Leave Brexit campaign group along with ex director general of The British Chambers of Commerce John Longworth.
Fucking hell Centaur! Are you even aware that the ports and airports are private companies? You expect them to give work to their competitors because the government has planned to fail by failing to plan?
This has nothing to do with the Netherlands, but thanks for trying to divert us.
There is NOTHING stopping the UK building a "Super Port", we haven't done it in the last 40 yrs, I don't know why you think this will change in the next 40 yrs.
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"guess nobody on the thread has been to stanford-le-hope in the last 8 years then .... jeez, you cats really should get out more often  "
What's the biggest ship it can handle ?? |
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"guess nobody on the thread has been to stanford-le-hope in the last 8 years then .... jeez, you cats really should get out more often
What's the biggest ship it can handle ??"
THE biggest ... go look |
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"They need a massive building programme at ports and airports to accomodate the extra customs checks. As yet they haven't done this, and that will take a lot longer than 10m.
People (remainers) keep saying it would be illegal to leave the customs union and the EU without a deal and the UK would face huge fines from the WTO if the UK did not enforce it's borders. This is simply not the case, is false and is yet more lies from remainers. As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday in his interview on the BBC Andrew Marr show the UK could legally leave the EU and the customs union without a deal and not have to put in any border controls for upto 10 years. Rees Mogg did cite the exact law/rule/clause or whatever you want to call it, I suggest you watch the Andrew Marr show yesterday on BBC iplayer and listen to someone who knows what he's talking about on these issues.
So your idea of a successful Brexit is one where there are no border controls for 10 yrs?
Border controls with the rest of the world outside of the EU will carry on as they are now. It's no great stretch to accommodate the EU under that same system once we leave the EU. The point Jacob Ress Mogg was making was specific to the irish land border which only applies to less than 5% of the overall trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK. Over 90% of trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK goes direct between Rep of Ireland and Wales, England and Scotland.
But a lot of UK trade with the rest of the world is brought into Rotterdam where it clears customs before going on to the uk , now the uk will have to handle that as well
The UK is an Island and has many more ports than the Netherlands. The extra demand could easily be evenly distributed around the uk's various ports. The UK could after Brexit develop and construct superports and this would create new jobs and provide more growth for the UK. The plan for a new Superport in the UK has already been suggested by Richard Tice who is co-leader of the Leave means Leave Brexit campaign group along with ex director general of The British Chambers of Commerce John Longworth.
So the UK consumers are going to bear the cost of the extra transport costs to ship directly to the UK rather than through a hub like rotterdam?
And youre going to have all this extra capacity ready and these super ports built, finished and ready by the end of the transition period?
More fantasy."
I think Brexit really has affected your ability to read and count. The other day you couldn't count to 3 on a thread and now it seems you struggle to understand basic English. Where did I say superports had to be ready by the end of the transition period??? What I actually said was that the existing UK ports could cope with the extra demand if it was evenly distributed. Then Superports could be financed and built in future creating more jobs and extra growth. Did you understand that or do I need to explain it to you for a 3rd time? |
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"guess nobody on the thread has been to stanford-le-hope in the last 8 years then .... jeez, you cats really should get out more often
What's the biggest ship it can handle ??
THE biggest ... go look "
Wrong again ,
That port has a max draft of 17 meters, which means it can at most take a Panamax ship which has a draft of 12 meters ,
That means the bigger ships that go to Rotterdam can't get in there
They are chinamax ships which have a laden draft of 24 meters ,
So no it can't take the biggest ships , |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"guess nobody on the thread has been to stanford-le-hope in the last 8 years then .... jeez, you cats really should get out more often
What's the biggest ship it can handle ??
THE biggest ... go look
Wrong again ,
That port has a max draft of 17 meters, which means it can at most take a Panamax ship which has a draft of 12 meters ,
That means the bigger ships that go to Rotterdam can't get in there
They are chinamax ships which have a laden draft of 24 meters ,
So no it can't take the biggest ships , "
don't know what port you're looking at chap ... but it ain't DP London Gateway |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"They need a massive building programme at ports and airports to accomodate the extra customs checks. As yet they haven't done this, and that will take a lot longer than 10m.
People (remainers) keep saying it would be illegal to leave the customs union and the EU without a deal and the UK would face huge fines from the WTO if the UK did not enforce it's borders. This is simply not the case, is false and is yet more lies from remainers. As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday in his interview on the BBC Andrew Marr show the UK could legally leave the EU and the customs union without a deal and not have to put in any border controls for upto 10 years. Rees Mogg did cite the exact law/rule/clause or whatever you want to call it, I suggest you watch the Andrew Marr show yesterday on BBC iplayer and listen to someone who knows what he's talking about on these issues.
So your idea of a successful Brexit is one where there are no border controls for 10 yrs?
Border controls with the rest of the world outside of the EU will carry on as they are now. It's no great stretch to accommodate the EU under that same system once we leave the EU. The point Jacob Ress Mogg was making was specific to the irish land border which only applies to less than 5% of the overall trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK. Over 90% of trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK goes direct between Rep of Ireland and Wales, England and Scotland.
But a lot of UK trade with the rest of the world is brought into Rotterdam where it clears customs before going on to the uk , now the uk will have to handle that as well
The UK is an Island and has many more ports than the Netherlands. The extra demand could easily be evenly distributed around the uk's various ports. The UK could after Brexit develop and construct superports and this would create new jobs and provide more growth for the UK. The plan for a new Superport in the UK has already been suggested by Richard Tice who is co-leader of the Leave means Leave Brexit campaign group along with ex director general of The British Chambers of Commerce John Longworth.
So the UK consumers are going to bear the cost of the extra transport costs to ship directly to the UK rather than through a hub like rotterdam?
And youre going to have all this extra capacity ready and these super ports built, finished and ready by the end of the transition period?
More fantasy.
I think Brexit really has affected your ability to read and count. The other day you couldn't count to 3 on a thread and now it seems you struggle to understand basic English. Where did I say superports had to be ready by the end of the transition period??? What I actually said was that the existing UK ports could cope with the extra demand if it was evenly distributed. Then Superports could be financed and built in future creating more jobs and extra growth. Did you understand that or do I need to explain it to you for a 3rd time? "
Again, you seem to be ignorant of the fact that these are private businesses.
Secondly, What proof do you have to support your claim that we could handle it now if spread around the country.
Thirdly, why does this new port need to be built in the future? Why not today, or 2 years ago, or 5, or 10? |
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"They need a massive building programme at ports and airports to accomodate the extra customs checks. As yet they haven't done this, and that will take a lot longer than 10m.
People (remainers) keep saying it would be illegal to leave the customs union and the EU without a deal and the UK would face huge fines from the WTO if the UK did not enforce it's borders. This is simply not the case, is false and is yet more lies from remainers. As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday in his interview on the BBC Andrew Marr show the UK could legally leave the EU and the customs union without a deal and not have to put in any border controls for upto 10 years. Rees Mogg did cite the exact law/rule/clause or whatever you want to call it, I suggest you watch the Andrew Marr show yesterday on BBC iplayer and listen to someone who knows what he's talking about on these issues.
So your idea of a successful Brexit is one where there are no border controls for 10 yrs?
Border controls with the rest of the world outside of the EU will carry on as they are now. It's no great stretch to accommodate the EU under that same system once we leave the EU. The point Jacob Ress Mogg was making was specific to the irish land border which only applies to less than 5% of the overall trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK. Over 90% of trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK goes direct between Rep of Ireland and Wales, England and Scotland.
Yes. There is. Hence my post that you quoted.
We Will need a massive building programme at all of our ports. The Road Haulage Association have previously said that if EU cargo is treated the same as the rest of the world's cargo, then the queue will stretch from Dover to Newmarket. "
Strangely there are no queues at any of the East Coast container ports so it is difficult to see why leaving the EU would make any difference. |
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"They need a massive building programme at ports and airports to accomodate the extra customs checks. As yet they haven't done this, and that will take a lot longer than 10m.
People (remainers) keep saying it would be illegal to leave the customs union and the EU without a deal and the UK would face huge fines from the WTO if the UK did not enforce it's borders. This is simply not the case, is false and is yet more lies from remainers. As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday in his interview on the BBC Andrew Marr show the UK could legally leave the EU and the customs union without a deal and not have to put in any border controls for upto 10 years. Rees Mogg did cite the exact law/rule/clause or whatever you want to call it, I suggest you watch the Andrew Marr show yesterday on BBC iplayer and listen to someone who knows what he's talking about on these issues.
So your idea of a successful Brexit is one where there are no border controls for 10 yrs?
Border controls with the rest of the world outside of the EU will carry on as they are now. It's no great stretch to accommodate the EU under that same system once we leave the EU. The point Jacob Ress Mogg was making was specific to the irish land border which only applies to less than 5% of the overall trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK. Over 90% of trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK goes direct between Rep of Ireland and Wales, England and Scotland.
But a lot of UK trade with the rest of the world is brought into Rotterdam where it clears customs before going on to the uk , now the uk will have to handle that as well
The UK is an Island and has many more ports than the Netherlands. The extra demand could easily be evenly distributed around the uk's various ports. The UK could after Brexit develop and construct superports and this would create new jobs and provide more growth for the UK. The plan for a new Superport in the UK has already been suggested by Richard Tice who is co-leader of the Leave means Leave Brexit campaign group along with ex director general of The British Chambers of Commerce John Longworth.
Fucking hell Centaur! Are you even aware that the ports and airports are private companies? You expect them to give work to their competitors because the government has planned to fail by failing to plan?
This has nothing to do with the Netherlands, but thanks for trying to divert us.
There is NOTHING stopping the UK building a "Super Port", we haven't done it in the last 40 yrs, I don't know why you think this will change in the next 40 yrs.
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I didn't bring the Netherlands into this debate, it was someone else who mentioned Rotterdam by the way. But thanks for ignoring that fact. 
You point out Ports and airports are private companies, as someone else said the UK will be getting a lot of extra business from the port of Rotterdam. So I expect the private companies you mention will be very happy about all the extra business coming their way, and the increased profits that will come with it.
On your last point the reason why we haven't built a super port in the last 40 years is because we've been in the EU. Brexit will fundamentally change things that's why I expect it will change in the next 40 years after we've left and why Richard Tice and John Longworth's ideas and proposals are very sensible, and a logical step forward after Brexit.
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"guess nobody on the thread has been to stanford-le-hope in the last 8 years then .... jeez, you cats really should get out more often
What's the biggest ship it can handle ??"
Felixstowe can handle the world's largest container ship. |
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"They need a massive building programme at ports and airports to accomodate the extra customs checks. As yet they haven't done this, and that will take a lot longer than 10m.
People (remainers) keep saying it would be illegal to leave the customs union and the EU without a deal and the UK would face huge fines from the WTO if the UK did not enforce it's borders. This is simply not the case, is false and is yet more lies from remainers. As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday in his interview on the BBC Andrew Marr show the UK could legally leave the EU and the customs union without a deal and not have to put in any border controls for upto 10 years. Rees Mogg did cite the exact law/rule/clause or whatever you want to call it, I suggest you watch the Andrew Marr show yesterday on BBC iplayer and listen to someone who knows what he's talking about on these issues.
So your idea of a successful Brexit is one where there are no border controls for 10 yrs?
Border controls with the rest of the world outside of the EU will carry on as they are now. It's no great stretch to accommodate the EU under that same system once we leave the EU. The point Jacob Ress Mogg was making was specific to the irish land border which only applies to less than 5% of the overall trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK. Over 90% of trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK goes direct between Rep of Ireland and Wales, England and Scotland.
Yes. There is. Hence my post that you quoted.
We Will need a massive building programme at all of our ports. The Road Haulage Association have previously said that if EU cargo is treated the same as the rest of the world's cargo, then the queue will stretch from Dover to Newmarket. Strangely there are no queues at any of the East Coast container ports so it is difficult to see why leaving the EU would make any difference."
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"They need a massive building programme at ports and airports to accomodate the extra customs checks. As yet they haven't done this, and that will take a lot longer than 10m.
People (remainers) keep saying it would be illegal to leave the customs union and the EU without a deal and the UK would face huge fines from the WTO if the UK did not enforce it's borders. This is simply not the case, is false and is yet more lies from remainers. As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday in his interview on the BBC Andrew Marr show the UK could legally leave the EU and the customs union without a deal and not have to put in any border controls for upto 10 years. Rees Mogg did cite the exact law/rule/clause or whatever you want to call it, I suggest you watch the Andrew Marr show yesterday on BBC iplayer and listen to someone who knows what he's talking about on these issues.
So your idea of a successful Brexit is one where there are no border controls for 10 yrs?
Border controls with the rest of the world outside of the EU will carry on as they are now. It's no great stretch to accommodate the EU under that same system once we leave the EU. The point Jacob Ress Mogg was making was specific to the irish land border which only applies to less than 5% of the overall trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK. Over 90% of trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK goes direct between Rep of Ireland and Wales, England and Scotland.
But a lot of UK trade with the rest of the world is brought into Rotterdam where it clears customs before going on to the uk , now the uk will have to handle that as well
The UK is an Island and has many more ports than the Netherlands. The extra demand could easily be evenly distributed around the uk's various ports. The UK could after Brexit develop and construct superports and this would create new jobs and provide more growth for the UK. The plan for a new Superport in the UK has already been suggested by Richard Tice who is co-leader of the Leave means Leave Brexit campaign group along with ex director general of The British Chambers of Commerce John Longworth.
Fucking hell Centaur! Are you even aware that the ports and airports are private companies? You expect them to give work to their competitors because the government has planned to fail by failing to plan?
This has nothing to do with the Netherlands, but thanks for trying to divert us.
There is NOTHING stopping the UK building a "Super Port", we haven't done it in the last 40 yrs, I don't know why you think this will change in the next 40 yrs.
I didn't bring the Netherlands into this debate, it was someone else who mentioned Rotterdam by the way. But thanks for ignoring that fact.
You point out Ports and airports are private companies, as someone else said the UK will be getting a lot of extra business from the port of Rotterdam. So I expect the private companies you mention will be very happy about all the extra business coming their way, and the increased profits that will come with it.
On your last point the reason why we haven't built a super port in the last 40 years is because we've been in the EU. Brexit will fundamentally change things that's why I expect it will change in the next 40 years after we've left and why Richard Tice and John Longworth's ideas and proposals are very sensible, and a logical step forward after Brexit.
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It will present an opportunity for all the East Coast Ports to build on their current success. One only has to observe the movement of containers through Felixstowe to see how efficient the whole process is. Customs clearance is all done electronically and data mining used to detect risk areas . Times have moved on . |
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"guess nobody on the thread has been to stanford-le-hope in the last 8 years then .... jeez, you cats really should get out more often
What's the biggest ship it can handle ??
THE biggest ... go look
Wrong again ,
That port has a max draft of 17 meters, which means it can at most take a Panamax ship which has a draft of 12 meters ,
That means the bigger ships that go to Rotterdam can't get in there
They are chinamax ships which have a laden draft of 24 meters ,
So no it can't take the biggest ships ,
don't know what port you're looking at chap ... but it ain't DP London Gateway "
Definitely is max draft there is 11.4m go look it up |
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"They need a massive building programme at ports and airports to accomodate the extra customs checks. As yet they haven't done this, and that will take a lot longer than 10m.
People (remainers) keep saying it would be illegal to leave the customs union and the EU without a deal and the UK would face huge fines from the WTO if the UK did not enforce it's borders. This is simply not the case, is false and is yet more lies from remainers. As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday in his interview on the BBC Andrew Marr show the UK could legally leave the EU and the customs union without a deal and not have to put in any border controls for upto 10 years. Rees Mogg did cite the exact law/rule/clause or whatever you want to call it, I suggest you watch the Andrew Marr show yesterday on BBC iplayer and listen to someone who knows what he's talking about on these issues.
So your idea of a successful Brexit is one where there are no border controls for 10 yrs?
Border controls with the rest of the world outside of the EU will carry on as they are now. It's no great stretch to accommodate the EU under that same system once we leave the EU. The point Jacob Ress Mogg was making was specific to the irish land border which only applies to less than 5% of the overall trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK. Over 90% of trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK goes direct between Rep of Ireland and Wales, England and Scotland.
Yes. There is. Hence my post that you quoted.
We Will need a massive building programme at all of our ports. The Road Haulage Association have previously said that if EU cargo is treated the same as the rest of the world's cargo, then the queue will stretch from Dover to Newmarket. Strangely there are no queues at any of the East Coast container ports so it is difficult to see why leaving the EU would make any difference.
Really? You are really ignorant of the topic at hand then. "
Hi. Proud to be called ignorant if it makes you feel happy. |
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"guess nobody on the thread has been to stanford-le-hope in the last 8 years then .... jeez, you cats really should get out more often
What's the biggest ship it can handle ??
THE biggest ... go look
Wrong again ,
That port has a max draft of 17 meters, which means it can at most take a Panamax ship which has a draft of 12 meters ,
That means the bigger ships that go to Rotterdam can't get in there
They are chinamax ships which have a laden draft of 24 meters ,
So no it can't take the biggest ships ,
don't know what port you're looking at chap ... but it ain't DP London Gateway "
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"guess nobody on the thread has been to stanford-le-hope in the last 8 years then .... jeez, you cats really should get out more often
What's the biggest ship it can handle ??
THE biggest ... go look
Wrong again ,
That port has a max draft of 17 meters, which means it can at most take a Panamax ship which has a draft of 12 meters ,
That means the bigger ships that go to Rotterdam can't get in there
They are chinamax ships which have a laden draft of 24 meters ,
So no it can't take the biggest ships ,
don't know what port you're looking at chap ... but it ain't DP London Gateway
Definitely is max draft there is 11.4m go look it up "
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"They need a massive building programme at ports and airports to accomodate the extra customs checks. As yet they haven't done this, and that will take a lot longer than 10m.
People (remainers) keep saying it would be illegal to leave the customs union and the EU without a deal and the UK would face huge fines from the WTO if the UK did not enforce it's borders. This is simply not the case, is false and is yet more lies from remainers. As Conservative MP Jacob Rees Mogg said yesterday in his interview on the BBC Andrew Marr show the UK could legally leave the EU and the customs union without a deal and not have to put in any border controls for upto 10 years. Rees Mogg did cite the exact law/rule/clause or whatever you want to call it, I suggest you watch the Andrew Marr show yesterday on BBC iplayer and listen to someone who knows what he's talking about on these issues.
So your idea of a successful Brexit is one where there are no border controls for 10 yrs?
Border controls with the rest of the world outside of the EU will carry on as they are now. It's no great stretch to accommodate the EU under that same system once we leave the EU. The point Jacob Ress Mogg was making was specific to the irish land border which only applies to less than 5% of the overall trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK. Over 90% of trade between Republic of Ireland and the UK goes direct between Rep of Ireland and Wales, England and Scotland.
Yes. There is. Hence my post that you quoted.
We Will need a massive building programme at all of our ports. The Road Haulage Association have previously said that if EU cargo is treated the same as the rest of the world's cargo, then the queue will stretch from Dover to Newmarket. Strangely there are no queues at any of the East Coast container ports so it is difficult to see why leaving the EU would make any difference.
Really? You are really ignorant of the topic at hand then. Hi. Proud to be called ignorant if it makes you feel happy. "
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"guess nobody on the thread has been to stanford-le-hope in the last 8 years then .... jeez, you cats really should get out more often
What's the biggest ship it can handle ??
THE biggest ... go look
Wrong again ,
That port has a max draft of 17 meters, which means it can at most take a Panamax ship which has a draft of 12 meters ,
That means the bigger ships that go to Rotterdam can't get in there
They are chinamax ships which have a laden draft of 24 meters ,
So no it can't take the biggest ships ,
don't know what port you're looking at chap ... but it ain't DP London Gateway
Definitely is max draft there is 11.4m go look it up
wrong ... go look again ... properly this time lol "
I was wrong saying 11.4m that time
It's definitely 17 meters as I said ,
Edith Maersk largest ship ever on the River Thames
Edith Maersk largest ship ever on the River Thames
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The 397-metre-long, 56-metre-wide Edith Maersk has a draught of 16 metres
And that is from the ports own web site |
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I think Brexit really has affected your ability to read and count. The other day you couldn't count to 3 on a thread and now it seems you struggle to understand basic English. Where did I say superports had to be ready by the end of the transition period??? What I actually said was that the existing UK ports could cope with the extra demand if it was evenly distributed. Then Superports could be financed and built in future creating more jobs and extra growth. Did you understand that or do I need to explain it to you for a 3rd time? "
Youre the one claiming that the UK can handle Rotterdams UK bound shipments. If theres no deal what is the UK going to do between now and when these superports are built?
Because looking at the actual reports on port capacity in the UK you cannot just spread them around the UK and it will all be fine. In 2015 the UK ports were processing 8.3m containers with a capacity for 10.2m. In 2013 there were industry warnings that 75% wasnt leaving enough slack in the system so it doesnt seem that the UK could handle the massive volume from Rotterdam as you propose. |
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"guess nobody on the thread has been to stanford-le-hope in the last 8 years then .... jeez, you cats really should get out more often
What's the biggest ship it can handle ??
THE biggest ... go look
Wrong again ,
That port has a max draft of 17 meters, which means it can at most take a Panamax ship which has a draft of 12 meters ,
That means the bigger ships that go to Rotterdam can't get in there
They are chinamax ships which have a laden draft of 24 meters ,
So no it can't take the biggest ships ,
don't know what port you're looking at chap ... but it ain't DP London Gateway
Definitely is max draft there is 11.4m go look it up
wrong ... go look again ... properly this time lol
I was wrong saying 11.4m that time
It's definitely 17 meters as I said ,
Edith Maersk largest ship ever on the River Thames
Edith Maersk largest ship ever on the River Thames
21 October 2014
The 397-metre-long, 56-metre-wide Edith Maersk has a draught of 16 metres
And that is from the ports own web site "
2014 ... bit out of date chap .... your wiki warrior skills appear depleted |
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"guess nobody on the thread has been to stanford-le-hope in the last 8 years then .... jeez, you cats really should get out more often
What's the biggest ship it can handle ??
THE biggest ... go look
Wrong again ,
That port has a max draft of 17 meters, which means it can at most take a Panamax ship which has a draft of 12 meters ,
That means the bigger ships that go to Rotterdam can't get in there
They are chinamax ships which have a laden draft of 24 meters ,
So no it can't take the biggest ships ,
don't know what port you're looking at chap ... but it ain't DP London Gateway
Definitely is max draft there is 11.4m go look it up
wrong ... go look again ... properly this time lol
I was wrong saying 11.4m that time
It's definitely 17 meters as I said ,
Edith Maersk largest ship ever on the River Thames
Edith Maersk largest ship ever on the River Thames
21 October 2014
The 397-metre-long, 56-metre-wide Edith Maersk has a draught of 16 metres
And that is from the ports own web site
2014 ... bit out of date chap .... your wiki warrior skills appear depleted "
You mean the OOCL Hong Kong ? |
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They just don't know what harm they are doing to this country."
get a grip .we are leaving .its time to accept it .still harping on after two years beggers belief and to me says it all about the remoaners being very sore losers .I never wanted in the thing in the first place . go back then and see who told all the lies .the harm was done then not now |
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