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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
Today’s Brexit Committee hearing has opened up what is inevitably going to be the next Maybot cock up..
Replying to questions from the Committee
Q: Has the government had legal advice saying whether or not the UK can leave with no deal with no vote in parliament?
Suella Braverman says she has not had legal advice on this.
Oh dear... Does this mean that the Govt are prepared to follow through with their promise that no deal is better than a bad deal and not have even take any kind of legal advice over the last two years? Or does it mean that there never was ever going to be a no deal scenario?
In the same hearing today it appears that the current text of the withdrawal agreement provides no provision whatsoever for the £39 billion “so called” Brexit Bill to be conditional on any future arrangements or agreements. Oh.......
So nothing is agreed until everything is agreed? Or just more ineptitude from our hapless Brexit Negotiators??
For the benefit of Brexiters who don’t know who Suella Braverman is, she is the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State at the Department for Exiting the European Union. So remember that she is on your side before you trash her. |
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The agreement in December is not based on any further agreement on trade.
The phase 1 negotiation is independent of phase 2. If phase 2 fails the phase 1 will still be in effect unless the negotiations fail before its formalised and passed and the UK reneges on the deal by breaking their word. But phase 1 will be formalised and passed before phase 2 negotiations will succeed or fail so its a moot point. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Today’s Brexit Committee hearing has opened up what is inevitably going to be the next Maybot cock up..
Replying to questions from the Committee
Q: Has the government had legal advice saying whether or not the UK can leave with no deal with no vote in parliament?
Suella Braverman says she has not had legal advice on this.
Oh dear... Does this mean that the Govt are prepared to follow through with their promise that no deal is better than a bad deal and not have even take any kind of legal advice over the last two years? Or does it mean that there never was ever going to be a no deal scenario?
In the same hearing today it appears that the current text of the withdrawal agreement provides no provision whatsoever for the £39 billion “so called” Brexit Bill to be conditional on any future arrangements or agreements. Oh.......
So nothing is agreed until everything is agreed? Or just more ineptitude from our hapless Brexit Negotiators??
For the benefit of Brexiters who don’t know who Suella Braverman is, she is the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State at the Department for Exiting the European Union. So remember that she is on your side before you trash her."
The reality is that Teressa May doing a great job in difficult circumstances and her party are more popular than any other party or they would not have won the last election. I am certain that where necessary any relevant legal advice has been taken . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Tories:We havent taken the relevant legal advice
Brexiters: Im sure theyve taken the relevant legal advice
Sums up the Brexiter mindset pretty much. They live in a parallel universe to reality."
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
" The reality is that Teressa May doing a great job in difficult circumstances and her party are more popular than any other party or they would not have won the last election. I am certain that where necessary any relevant legal advice has been taken . "
Suella Braverman is the Deputy under Secretary for the Dept for exiting the European Union. She is also a Leave voting Conservative MP. She is in a position of responsibility and authority and has given evidence today to the Brexit Committee.
She has stated that no legal advice has been sought about leaving with a no deal without Parliamentary approval. Do you think that she would lie to MP’s and expose herself to a charge of misleading Parliament?
What makes you do sure that legal advice has been sought when very clearly and explicitly an MP who ought to know says that it hasn’t? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Yes, if you are buying a car. No, if it’s co-operation between countries.
Mind you, there are extremists who actually want no deal. I call them ideological vandals, people who want to tear up every regulation and completely redesign society, irrespective of the damage they inflict. To do that, they need to sever every tie to what they see as socialist regulation.
The damage and misery would be enormous. But such is there blind faith in unfettered free market ideology that they think it a price worth paying. They are dangerous and extreme, and Theresa May is surrounded by them. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"No deal IS the bad deal, always has been.
No deal is always better than a bad deal. Always has been. In every part of life."
So, what in your opinion would constitute a ‘bad deal’ in this scenario then?
-Matt |
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"Yes, if you are buying a car. No, if it’s co-operation between countries.
Mind you, there are extremists who actually want no deal. I call them ideological vandals, people who want to tear up every regulation and completely redesign society, irrespective of the damage they inflict. To do that, they need to sever every tie to what they see as socialist regulation.
The damage and misery would be enormous. But such is there blind faith in unfettered free market ideology that they think it a price worth paying. They are dangerous and extreme, and Theresa May is surrounded by them."
Funny how Len McCluskey has said to the SNP that remaining in the single market and customs union in not Brexit.
I can't see Theresa May being surrounded by him anytime soon! |
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The Maybot was never good with details, as her programming had focused on repetition of meaningless phrases ad nauseam, 'No deal is better than a bad deal' was an early favorite. (The software engineer was a fan and inspired by Noel Edmonds TV show).
It was effective with the facile, immature mindsets of people who'd not gained complexity beyond trying to argue with mum and dad to be allowed to stay up later at night.
The comprehensive complexities of what no deal could in fact mean were lost on their very simple heads. It had been wondered if it was blue sky thinking for a while, until it was obvious that they managed to think in black and white.
The Maybot designers had spawned Shitbots around the country, who were compelled to verbal diarrhea outbursts of thick projectile streams, whenever Brexit challenges arose. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No, she is a civil servant, and the civil service is doing its best to undermine Brexit.or the conservative MP for Fareham. And campaigned to leave. "
Are you sure? Completely sure as _eedsandy is never wrong. Leedsandy please respond to this blatant lie. |
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"No, she is a civil servant, and the civil service is doing its best to undermine Brexit.or the conservative MP for Fareham. And campaigned to leave.
Are you sure? Completely sure as _eedsandy is never wrong. Leedsandy please respond to this blatant lie."
Yes, I'd like to know how a leave voting tory mp and government minister has suddenly become a brexit undermining civil servant. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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Funny how Len McCluskey has said to the SNP that remaining in the single market and customs union in not Brexit.
I can't see Theresa May being surrounded by him anytime soon!"
I don't think you'll hear Len McLuskey argue for the scrapping of the Working Time Directive, employee protections etc.
The Eurosceptic left have different reasons for wanting to distance themselves from the EU - its rules on state aid, for example, curb the sort of socialist intervention that the current leadership is in favour of.
Those on the right, on the other hand, want to remove the state from the market altogether, particularly in those areas where it legislates to protect the interests of workers from capitalist exploitation. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Today’s Brexit Committee hearing has opened up what is inevitably going to be the next Maybot cock up..
Replying to questions from the Committee
Q: Has the government had legal advice saying whether or not the UK can leave with no deal with no vote in parliament?
Suella Braverman says she has not had legal advice on this.
Oh dear... Does this mean that the Govt are prepared to follow through with their promise that no deal is better than a bad deal and not have even take any kind of legal advice over the last two years? Or does it mean that there never was ever going to be a no deal scenario?
In the same hearing today it appears that the current text of the withdrawal agreement provides no provision whatsoever for the £39 billion “so called” Brexit Bill to be conditional on any future arrangements or agreements. Oh.......
So nothing is agreed until everything is agreed? Or just more ineptitude from our hapless Brexit Negotiators??
For the benefit of Brexiters who don’t know who Suella Braverman is, she is the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State at the Department for Exiting the European Union. So remember that she is on your side before you trash her. The reality is that Teressa May doing a great job in difficult circumstances and her party are more popular than any other party or they would not have won the last election. I am certain that where necessary any relevant legal advice has been taken . "
They didn't win the last election though. A 1 billion bung was needed  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"No, she is a civil servant, and the civil service is doing its best to undermine Brexit.or the conservative MP for Fareham. And campaigned to leave. "
what can we say.... andy with the "hot take" again and getting it wrong again...... 
so disparaging the person AND disparaging the civil service.... thats mighty big of you |
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"No deal IS the bad deal, always has been.
No deal is always better than a bad deal. Always has been. In every part of life."
Really? Always? Id be fascinated to hear how no deal was better when it came to the Good Friday Agreement.
Or what exactly a bad deal for Brexit looks like? Instead of throwing out half thought slogans what exactly is a bad deal when it comes to Brexit? |
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"No, she is a civil servant, and the civil service is doing its best to undermine Brexit."
She is an MP and was formerly Chair of the ERG which is now chaired by the odious JRMogg. Why are you pretending otherwise? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Today’s Brexit Committee hearing has opened up what is inevitably going to be the next Maybot cock up..
Replying to questions from the Committee
Q: Has the government had legal advice saying whether or not the UK can leave with no deal with no vote in parliament?
Suella Braverman says she has not had legal advice on this.
Oh dear... Does this mean that the Govt are prepared to follow through with their promise that no deal is better than a bad deal and not have even take any kind of legal advice over the last two years? Or does it mean that there never was ever going to be a no deal scenario?
In the same hearing today it appears that the current text of the withdrawal agreement provides no provision whatsoever for the £39 billion “so called” Brexit Bill to be conditional on any future arrangements or agreements. Oh.......
So nothing is agreed until everything is agreed? Or just more ineptitude from our hapless Brexit Negotiators??
For the benefit of Brexiters who don’t know who Suella Braverman is, she is the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State at the Department for Exiting the European Union. So remember that she is on your side before you trash her. The reality is that Teressa May doing a great job in difficult circumstances and her party are more popular than any other party or they would not have won the last election. I am certain that where necessary any relevant legal advice has been taken . "
So you are saying you are certain that a Brexit supporting conservative politician just lied to parliament? Are you sure that's what you want to say? |
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"No, she is a civil servant, and the civil service is doing its best to undermine Brexit.
Would you like to provide evidence.."
Ever heard of the former head? "Comrade Bob" as he is nicknamed?
Ever heard what Government ministers dealing with Brexit have said about the civil service? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"No, she is a civil servant, and the civil service is doing its best to undermine Brexit.
Would you like to provide evidence..
Ever heard of the former head? "Comrade Bob" as he is nicknamed?
Ever heard what Government ministers dealing with Brexit have said about the civil service?"
If the civil service are crap, why do you have so much faith in them to get better trade deals than the EU civil service?
Why do you expect the UK civil service to run a farm subsidies programme better than the EU, to run scientific funding better than the EU, to run nuclear regulation better than the EU, to run medicines evaluation better than the EU?
If they are shit, why do you want them running stuff? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"No, she is a civil servant, and the civil service is doing its best to undermine Brexit.
Would you like to provide evidence..
Ever heard of the former head? "Comrade Bob" as he is nicknamed?
Ever heard what Government ministers dealing with Brexit have said about the civil service?"
So not going to admit you were wrong....
government ministers dictate civil service policy, not the other way around!
So again..... is she the civil servant you claimed, or is she actually the conservative mp who actively campaigned for leave? |
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"No, she is a civil servant, and the civil service is doing its best to undermine Brexit.
Would you like to provide evidence..
Ever heard of the former head? "Comrade Bob" as he is nicknamed?
Ever heard what Government ministers dealing with Brexit have said about the civil service?
So not going to admit you were wrong....
government ministers dictate civil service policy, not the other way around!
So again..... is she the civil servant you claimed, or is she actually the conservative mp who actively campaigned for leave?"
The Civil Service has always been left-wing and it is doing its best to undermine Brexit. I am not going to change my opinion on that.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"No, she is a civil servant, and the civil service is doing its best to undermine Brexit.
Would you like to provide evidence..
Ever heard of the former head? "Comrade Bob" as he is nicknamed?
Ever heard what Government ministers dealing with Brexit have said about the civil service?
So not going to admit you were wrong....
government ministers dictate civil service policy, not the other way around!
So again..... is she the civil servant you claimed, or is she actually the conservative mp who actively campaigned for leave?
The Civil Service has always been left-wing and it is doing its best to undermine Brexit. I am not going to change my opinion on that.
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Again... the person who said this to the committee yesterday was a conservative mp who advocated for leave and took part in the leave campaign
And any legal advice would not come from the civil service anyway.. that would come from the attorney general.. who also happens to be a leave supporting conservative mp |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"No, she is a civil servant, and the civil service is doing its best to undermine Brexit.
Would you like to provide evidence..
Ever heard of the former head? "Comrade Bob" as he is nicknamed?
Ever heard what Government ministers dealing with Brexit have said about the civil service?
If the civil service are crap, why do you have so much faith in them to get better trade deals than the EU civil service?
Why do you expect the UK civil service to run a farm subsidies programme better than the EU, to run scientific funding better than the EU, to run nuclear regulation better than the EU, to run medicines evaluation better than the EU?
If they are shit, why do you want them running stuff? "
So come on Andy, if they are so shit, why do you want them to be bigger and have more control? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No, she is a civil servant, and the civil service is doing its best to undermine Brexit.
Would you like to provide evidence..
Ever heard of the former head? "Comrade Bob" as he is nicknamed?
Ever heard what Government ministers dealing with Brexit have said about the civil service?
So not going to admit you were wrong....
government ministers dictate civil service policy, not the other way around!
So again..... is she the civil servant you claimed, or is she actually the conservative mp who actively campaigned for leave?
The Civil Service has always been left-wing and it is doing its best to undermine Brexit. I am not going to change my opinion on that.
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Come on _eedsandy man up and admit you were Wrong!!! |
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Come on _eedsandy man up and admit you were Wrong!!!
Brexiters arent wrong, its reality thats mistaken.  "
I seem to recall you were wrong a few days ago when you denied there was a poll which put Remain 10 points ahead of Leave on the eve of the EU referendum. You couldn't even do a simple Google search to find the poll and it had to be basically spelled out to you. Did you 'man up and admit you were wrong' in that instance? Isn't it your reality that's mistaken? |
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Come on _eedsandy man up and admit you were Wrong!!!
Brexiters arent wrong, its reality thats mistaken.
I seem to recall you were wrong a few days ago when you denied there was a poll which put Remain 10 points ahead of Leave on the eve of the EU referendum. You couldn't even do a simple Google search to find the poll and it had to be basically spelled out to you. Did you 'man up and admit you were wrong' in that instance? Isn't it your reality that's mistaken? "
I said that there werent multiple major polls on the eve of the election saying that. While you didnt say "major polls" (although why we should be paying attention to Asdas marketing company who has no track record I have absolutely no idea) you did say pollS. As in more than one. Which there were not.
What you dont understand about polling is what you'd hear in an introductory class in statistics. Some companies are good at what they do, some arent. If you want to gain useful information you start with discerning between whats a reliable poll and whats statistical noise. Thats why I was able to point out multiple polls that were correct or within the margin of error in the 4 days before the election. Because they were major polling results completed by people with a track record, not a firm used by Asda to find out the popularity of green socks over red. |
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Come on _eedsandy man up and admit you were Wrong!!!
Brexiters arent wrong, its reality thats mistaken.
I seem to recall you were wrong a few days ago when you denied there was a poll which put Remain 10 points ahead of Leave on the eve of the EU referendum. You couldn't even do a simple Google search to find the poll and it had to be basically spelled out to you. Did you 'man up and admit you were wrong' in that instance? Isn't it your reality that's mistaken?
I said that there werent multiple major polls on the eve of the election saying that. While you didnt say "major polls" (although why we should be paying attention to Asdas marketing company who has no track record I have absolutely no idea) you did say pollS. As in more than one. Which there were not.
What you dont understand about polling is what you'd hear in an introductory class in statistics. Some companies are good at what they do, some arent. If you want to gain useful information you start with discerning between whats a reliable poll and whats statistical noise. Thats why I was able to point out multiple polls that were correct or within the margin of error in the 4 days before the election. Because they were major polling results completed by people with a track record, not a firm used by Asda to find out the popularity of green socks over red."
Still not man enough to admit you were wrong then? Can't say I'm surprised by your response.
You keep saying it wasn't a 'major poll' yet it surveyed more people than some of the YouGov polls which is arguably the most well known and well respected polling names around. I did actually point out 3 instances (I'd call that multiple) cases which were outside the margin of error in the last week before the EU referendum on the other thread. I even quoted the figures from The Telegraph for you which showed the vast majority of polls during the EU referendum campaign turned out to be wrong and yet still you can't admit you're wrong. |
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Come on _eedsandy man up and admit you were Wrong!!!
Brexiters arent wrong, its reality thats mistaken.
I seem to recall you were wrong a few days ago when you denied there was a poll which put Remain 10 points ahead of Leave on the eve of the EU referendum. You couldn't even do a simple Google search to find the poll and it had to be basically spelled out to you. Did you 'man up and admit you were wrong' in that instance? Isn't it your reality that's mistaken?
I said that there werent multiple major polls on the eve of the election saying that. While you didnt say "major polls" (although why we should be paying attention to Asdas marketing company who has no track record I have absolutely no idea) you did say pollS. As in more than one. Which there were not.
What you dont understand about polling is what you'd hear in an introductory class in statistics. Some companies are good at what they do, some arent. If you want to gain useful information you start with discerning between whats a reliable poll and whats statistical noise. Thats why I was able to point out multiple polls that were correct or within the margin of error in the 4 days before the election. Because they were major polling results completed by people with a track record, not a firm used by Asda to find out the popularity of green socks over red.
Still not man enough to admit you were wrong then? Can't say I'm surprised by your response.
You keep saying it wasn't a 'major poll' yet it surveyed more people than some of the YouGov polls which is arguably the most well known and well respected polling names around. I did actually point out 3 instances (I'd call that multiple) cases which were outside the margin of error in the last week before the EU referendum on the other thread. I even quoted the figures from The Telegraph for you which showed the vast majority of polls during the EU referendum campaign turned out to be wrong and yet still you can't admit you're wrong. "
I said you were wrong about multiple polls on the eve of the election showing a 10 point lead. I also used the qualifier "major polls". If Im wrong Ill be happy to say so, you just need to provide multiple polls from the eve of the election that show a 10+ point lead. Ill even drop the qualifier of "major polls" and let you use any poll published in any newspaper on the eve of the election that shows 10+ for Leave.
And considering you still havent admitted youre wrong about the divorce bill despite being shown how the Tories left 11 billion off their estimate and they finally admitted this week that their estimate was dramatically underselling the final amount I wouldnt talk about anyone being man enough to admit theyre wrong. |
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Really, have you ever met a top ranking official from the civil service. They are from the same background of education and family type of the government. Sewn from the same cloth.
The one difference being that they have common sense and know what can and cannot work. But the ultimate say is that of the minister. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"No, she is a civil servant, and the civil service is doing its best to undermine Brexit.
Would you like to provide evidence..
Ever heard of the former head? "Comrade Bob" as he is nicknamed?
Ever heard what Government ministers dealing with Brexit have said about the civil service?
If the civil service are crap, why do you have so much faith in them to get better trade deals than the EU civil service?
Why do you expect the UK civil service to run a farm subsidies programme better than the EU, to run scientific funding better than the EU, to run nuclear regulation better than the EU, to run medicines evaluation better than the EU?
If they are shit, why do you want them running stuff?
So come on Andy, if they are so shit, why do you want them to be bigger and have more control?"
So Andy never admitted he was wrong then? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Come on _eedsandy man up and admit you were Wrong!!!
Brexiters arent wrong, its reality thats mistaken.
I seem to recall you were wrong a few days ago when you denied there was a poll which put Remain 10 points ahead of Leave on the eve of the EU referendum. You couldn't even do a simple Google search to find the poll and it had to be basically spelled out to you. Did you 'man up and admit you were wrong' in that instance? Isn't it your reality that's mistaken?
I said that there werent multiple major polls on the eve of the election saying that. While you didnt say "major polls" (although why we should be paying attention to Asdas marketing company who has no track record I have absolutely no idea) you did say pollS. As in more than one. Which there were not.
What you dont understand about polling is what you'd hear in an introductory class in statistics. Some companies are good at what they do, some arent. If you want to gain useful information you start with discerning between whats a reliable poll and whats statistical noise. Thats why I was able to point out multiple polls that were correct or within the margin of error in the 4 days before the election. Because they were major polling results completed by people with a track record, not a firm used by Asda to find out the popularity of green socks over red.
Still not man enough to admit you were wrong then? Can't say I'm surprised by your response.
You keep saying it wasn't a 'major poll' yet it surveyed more people than some of the YouGov polls which is arguably the most well known and well respected polling names around. I did actually point out 3 instances (I'd call that multiple) cases which were outside the margin of error in the last week before the EU referendum on the other thread. I even quoted the figures from The Telegraph for you which showed the vast majority of polls during the EU referendum campaign turned out to be wrong and yet still you can't admit you're wrong.
I said you were wrong about multiple polls on the eve of the election showing a 10 point lead. I also used the qualifier "major polls". If Im wrong Ill be happy to say so, you just need to provide multiple polls from the eve of the election that show a 10+ point lead. Ill even drop the qualifier of "major polls" and let you use any poll published in any newspaper on the eve of the election that shows 10+ for Leave.
And considering you still havent admitted youre wrong about the divorce bill despite being shown how the Tories left 11 billion off their estimate and they finally admitted this week that their estimate was dramatically underselling the final amount I wouldnt talk about anyone being man enough to admit theyre wrong. "
Probably a lot simpler just to ignore opinion polls . The only result that is of any relevance is that returned on the day of an election. I cannot see any relevance of the margin of error. On a simplistic basis the polls are either right or wrong . In accurate opinion polls make no difference to people's lives , the results on the day do. |
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over a year ago
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"No, she is a civil servant, and the civil service is doing its best to undermine Brexit.
Would you like to provide evidence..
Ever heard of the former head? "Comrade Bob" as he is nicknamed?
Ever heard what Government ministers dealing with Brexit have said about the civil service?
So not going to admit you were wrong....
government ministers dictate civil service policy, not the other way around!
So again..... is she the civil servant you claimed, or is she actually the conservative mp who actively campaigned for leave?
The Civil Service has always been left-wing and it is doing its best to undermine Brexit. I am not going to change my opinion on that.
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You can hold your opinion but you are only playing ignorant to yourself.
Either parliment sets the civil service agenda and therefore the tories are subtle lefties given that the civil service are in your opinion, left wing.
Or the civil service secretly sets government agenda and therefore when we vote we are really voting for nothing - in which case parliment is undermined by the civil service.
So which is it? |
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