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"Of course England will get worse deal how would a smaller market get equal or better trade deal than a market the size of Europe " Because, because, because... Fooking Remoaners  | |||
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"Of course England will get worse deal how would a smaller market get equal or better trade deal than a market the size of Europe " Have I missed something or what when did England become the UK I always thought the UK was made up of four nations not just one | |||
"Btw, have you read about what Japan is saying/asking for?https://www.ft.com/content/8f0724b8-5a84-11e8-b8b2-d6ceb45fa9d0" Need to be A FT subscriber to view | |||
"Will the UK get a worse trade deal, outside of the EU, than the one they could have had (by remaining), should the EU trade talks underway with Australia and New Zealand complete well?" Yeah, we'll get a worse deal. | |||
"Of course England will get worse deal how would a smaller market get equal or better trade deal than a market the size of Europe " Smaller market?? The UK economy is bigger than Australia's. According to remainers logic which has been stated many times in this forum before the bigger economy will have the upper hand in any trade deal. So using remainers own logic the UK will have the upper hand in a trade deal with Australia. | |||
"Of course England will get worse deal how would a smaller market get equal or better trade deal than a market the size of Europe Smaller market?? The UK economy is bigger than Australia's. According to remainers logic which has been stated many times in this forum before the bigger economy will have the upper hand in any trade deal. So using remainers own logic the UK will have the upper hand in a trade deal with Australia. " The question was who will get a better deal, the UK, or the EU? Ask yourself, which economy is bigger? The UK, or the EU?  | |||
" Smaller market?? The UK economy is bigger than Australia's. According to remainers logic which has been stated many times in this forum before the bigger economy will have the upper hand in any trade deal. So using remainers own logic the UK will have the upper hand in a trade deal with Australia. The question was who will get a better deal, the UK, or the EU? Ask yourself, which economy is bigger? The UK, or the EU? "Britains hand is further weakened by virtue of the fact that if they're outside the single market they'll be under immense pressure to get a lot of trade deals done very quickly. Australia (or anyone else) can afford to slow negotiations down if theyre not getting all they want whereas the UK wont have that option which will likely lead to more concessions on their part. | |||
"Of course England will get worse deal how would a smaller market get equal or better trade deal than a market the size of Europe Smaller market?? The UK economy is bigger than Australia's. According to remainers logic which has been stated many times in this forum before the bigger economy will have the upper hand in any trade deal. So using remainers own logic the UK will have the upper hand in a trade deal with Australia. The question was who will get a better deal, the UK, or the EU? Ask yourself, which economy is bigger? The UK, or the EU? "The UK by doing a 1 to 1 trade deal with Australia can tailor the trade deal more specific to suit the uk's needs. You can't do that in the EU as you're competing to get your needs recognised by 27 other EU member states. An EU trade deal is a compromise amongst 27 members. A UK trade deal doesn't need any compromise, we dont have to take anyone else's needs into consideration. | |||
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" Smaller market?? The UK economy is bigger than Australia's. According to remainers logic which has been stated many times in this forum before the bigger economy will have the upper hand in any trade deal. So using remainers own logic the UK will have the upper hand in a trade deal with Australia. The question was who will get a better deal, the UK, or the EU? Ask yourself, which economy is bigger? The UK, or the EU?
Britains hand is further weakened by virtue of the fact that if they're outside the single market they'll be under immense pressure to get a lot of trade deals done very quickly. Australia (or anyone else) can afford to slow negotiations down if theyre not getting all they want whereas the UK wont have that option which will likely lead to more concessions on their part."Can afford to slow the negotiations, LMAO! Comedy gold right there. 
Even if Australia did that the UK could still do a quicker trade deal than the EU. How long did the EU/Canada trade deal take again? Maybe you can remind everyone why it took so long because 27 EU members were squabbling like rats in a sack amongst each other over what they wanted from the deal. | |||
"Of course England will get worse deal how would a smaller market get equal or better trade deal than a market the size of Europe Smaller market?? The UK economy is bigger than Australia's. According to remainers logic which has been stated many times in this forum before the bigger economy will have the upper hand in any trade deal. So using remainers own logic the UK will have the upper hand in a trade deal with Australia. The question was who will get a better deal, the UK, or the EU? Ask yourself, which economy is bigger? The UK, or the EU?
The UK by doing a 1 to 1 trade deal with Australia can tailor the trade deal more specific to suit the uk's needs. You can't do that in the EU as you're competing to get your needs recognised by 27 other EU member states. An EU trade deal is a compromise amongst 27 members. A UK trade deal doesn't need any compromise, we dont have to take anyone else's needs into consideration. "So what do you think the main differences will be between the EU and UK trade deals will be? | |||
" So what do you think the main differences will be between the EU and UK trade deals will be? " the amount of feces that the uk will have to wade through to eventually be turned doen on a deal will be monumentally larger than the deal the eu | |||
" Smaller market?? The UK economy is bigger than Australia's. According to remainers logic which has been stated many times in this forum before the bigger economy will have the upper hand in any trade deal. So using remainers own logic the UK will have the upper hand in a trade deal with Australia. The question was who will get a better deal, the UK, or the EU? Ask yourself, which economy is bigger? The UK, or the EU?
Britains hand is further weakened by virtue of the fact that if they're outside the single market they'll be under immense pressure to get a lot of trade deals done very quickly. Australia (or anyone else) can afford to slow negotiations down if theyre not getting all they want whereas the UK wont have that option which will likely lead to more concessions on their part.
Can afford to slow the negotiations, LMAO! Comedy gold right there.
Even if Australia did that the UK could still do a quicker trade deal than the EU. How long did the EU/Canada trade deal take again? Maybe you can remind everyone why it took so long because 27 EU members were squabbling like rats in a sack amongst each other over what they wanted from the deal. "Well youre a big fan of Donald, how long has the NAFTA negotiation taken? The China-Australia deal took ten years. India takes an average of 7 years to do trade deals, China nearly 6 years, Australia 5 years, New Zealand 4 and a half. And those deals arent as ambitious as the one the UK will be seeking. But you already know this because its been pointed out to you directly repeatedly. And I havent even mentioned that the UK hasnt got the capacity to negotiate all those deals concurrently, never mind the dozens of other countries that the UK will need to do deals with. | |||
"Btw, have you read about what Japan is saying/asking for?https://www.ft.com/content/8f0724b8-5a84-11e8-b8b2-d6ceb45fa9d0 Need to be A FT subscriber to view" Japan to push for visa exemption in post Brexit trade deal Negotiators plan to make fewer concessions to UK than they did in EU trade deal Japan’s prime minister Shinzo Abe regards its recent EU free trade deal as an important victory © FT Montage/Dreamstime/AP May 20, 2018 12:27 pm by Robin Harding and Leo Lewis in Tokyo Japanese companies want UK visa carve-out Tokyo will push for tougher trade deal with UK than with EU Japan has said terms of EU deal will apply to UK during transition Japanese companies are pushing for their employees to be exempt from strict visa quotas in any future trade deal with Britain after Brexit. “Even now the situation is becoming more difficult for us getting Japanese staff into the UK and our fear is that it will not become easier during the transition period,” said a senior executive at one of Japan’s largest trading houses. “The Japanese companies in the UK are experiencing a huge issue around people. Japanese expats are not getting in and the companies are tearing their hair out,” said Pernille Rudlin, the head of Japan Intercultural Consulting, a training and consulting firm based in the UK. “Japanese companies want to bring in highly skilled people — design engineers and other positions that they not only need in the UK but need to have moving around the EU,” she added, referring to recent figures that showed Britain turned down more than 6,000 Tier 2 skilled worked visa applications between December 2017 and March 2018 — a key period of the year for Japanese companies bringing specialists into the UK. Automotive tariffs are another focus Other items on the wish list for Japanese negotiators, as they begin to plan for future trade talks, are a faster phase-out of UK tariffs on cars and less UK access to Japan’s luxury goods market than it granted to the EU in its prospective deal. While the UK is hoping to duplicate the wide-ranging access embodied in the Japan-EU trade pact, Japanese officials are hardening against the idea of offering an identical deal to a much smaller economy. “The UK’s position is that it wants a copy and paste [of the Japan-EU deal], but that is not where we are. We want something better,” said one Japanese official involved in preparations. “There is a feeling within the ministries that although the [Japan-EU] Economic Partnership Agreement as a whole is good, there are areas where Japan could have done much better in its negotiations, and these will probably be areas where we press harder with the UK.” Japan would prefer UK to stay in customs union Officials in Tokyo emphasised that all of their planning is hypothetical since it is not clear whether the UK will pursue an independent trade policy or stay in a customs union with the EU. Japan, a big investor in the UK, would strongly prefer a customs union. “There is still no clarity from the UK. Japanese industry is becoming increasingly frustrated and concerned,” said a second official from a different ministry. The framework for a future deal with the UK is another open question. One constituency within the Japanese government is keen for the UK to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership, arguing it would increase pressure on Washington to return to the eleven-member trade deal. Donald Trump quit the TPP in one of his first acts as US president. Important agricultural constituencies in Japan, such as the dairy sector, think Tokyo gave too much away to the EU. Industrial players such as the automotive industry will use trade talks to seek deeper market access in the UK. Tokyo will not seek concessions during transition The UK is likely to have its own requests, potentially seeking greater access for financial services exports to Japan. Japanese and UK officials outlined areas where they might go beyond the EPA at the second meeting of a trade and investment working group, held in London in early May. Participants say the UK gave a debriefing on exit talks with the EU and the two sides discussed how to proceed with trade talks once Brexit is complete. There were no negotiations since that is not possible while the UK remains a member of the EU. Japan’s top priority is to implement its recent EU free trade deal, regarded as an important policy victory for prime minister Shinzo Abe, with both sides aiming for ratification by the summer. In one significant positive for the UK, Tokyo signalled it is willing to apply the terms of the EU deal to the UK until the end of 2020, and will not seek concessions during the transition period after Brexit. Both sides are still considering how to give that legal effect. Japan may attach an explanatory note to ratification legislation for the EPA signalling its intention. Japanese industry is postponing decisions about UK investment until there is more clarity about the future relationship with the EU. Yaskawa Electric, one of Japan’s top industrial robotics companies, last week decided to build a new components factory in Slovenia instead of expanding an existing site in Scotland. Hiroshi Ogasawara, the company’s chief executive, told the Nikkei newspaper: “For risk management we need a supply system inside the EU.” However, the company denied claims it plans to cut off investment or close the plant in Glasgow, which exports industrial servo motors to Europe. | |||
" Smaller market?? The UK economy is bigger than Australia's. According to remainers logic which has been stated many times in this forum before the bigger economy will have the upper hand in any trade deal. So using remainers own logic the UK will have the upper hand in a trade deal with Australia. The question was who will get a better deal, the UK, or the EU? Ask yourself, which economy is bigger? The UK, or the EU?
Britains hand is further weakened by virtue of the fact that if they're outside the single market they'll be under immense pressure to get a lot of trade deals done very quickly. Australia (or anyone else) can afford to slow negotiations down if theyre not getting all they want whereas the UK wont have that option which will likely lead to more concessions on their part.
Can afford to slow the negotiations, LMAO! Comedy gold right there.
Even if Australia did that the UK could still do a quicker trade deal than the EU. How long did the EU/Canada trade deal take again? Maybe you can remind everyone why it took so long because 27 EU members were squabbling like rats in a sack amongst each other over what they wanted from the deal. "And yet the EU has more trade deals with more countries than The USA, Canada, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand combined. It has more trade deals than Brazil, Russia, India and China combined. It has more trade deals than both those two groups combined. In fact it has more trade deals than any group of nations in the world you could name. | |||
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" Smaller market?? The UK economy is bigger than Australia's. According to remainers logic which has been stated many times in this forum before the bigger economy will have the upper hand in any trade deal. So using remainers own logic the UK will have the upper hand in a trade deal with Australia. " So, all new post Brexit trade deals will be better than we currently have then Centaur ? | |||
" Smaller market?? The UK economy is bigger than Australia's. According to remainers logic which has been stated many times in this forum before the bigger economy will have the upper hand in any trade deal. So using remainers own logic the UK will have the upper hand in a trade deal with Australia. The question was who will get a better deal, the UK, or the EU? Ask yourself, which economy is bigger? The UK, or the EU?
Britains hand is further weakened by virtue of the fact that if they're outside the single market they'll be under immense pressure to get a lot of trade deals done very quickly. Australia (or anyone else) can afford to slow negotiations down if theyre not getting all they want whereas the UK wont have that option which will likely lead to more concessions on their part.
Can afford to slow the negotiations, LMAO! Comedy gold right there.
Even if Australia did that the UK could still do a quicker trade deal than the EU. How long did the EU/Canada trade deal take again? Maybe you can remind everyone why it took so long because 27 EU members were squabbling like rats in a sack amongst each other over what they wanted from the deal. "Lol squabbling like rats in a sack
Bit like the uk government so | |||
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"Has everyone forgotten about The Commonwealth?" What about it? | |||
"Has everyone forgotten about The Commonwealth? What about it?" Trade deal? | |||
"Has everyone forgotten about The Commonwealth? What about it? Trade deal?" isnt this thread pretty much entirely on the commonwealth ? | |||
"Has everyone forgotten about The Commonwealth? What about it? Trade deal?" You know the commonwealth isn't a trading block, right? | |||
"Has everyone forgotten about The Commonwealth? What about it? Trade deal?" Thats what we've been discussing so Im not sure why you think we've forgotten 
But the commonwealth isnt going to confer on the UK any special concessions. Some Brexiters think it might but never consider that it should be the UK that makes extra concessions to the other commonwealth countries...cant think why... | |||
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"the commonwealth ... you know, the countries that are getting more and more fucked off with the UK because they keep illegally deporting 2nd generation british folks back to where their parents emigrated from .... those guys" Because we are doing that with Australia and New Zealand and Canada? And when it comes to trade, as if politicians are bothered about such things. | |||
"the commonwealth ... you know, the countries that are getting more and more fucked off with the UK because they keep illegally deporting 2nd generation british folks back to where their parents emigrated from .... those guys Because we are doing that with Australia and New Zealand and Canada? And when it comes to trade, as if politicians are bothered about such things. " You havent answeres what your commonwealth comment was all about. | |||
"the commonwealth ... you know, the countries that are getting more and more fucked off with the UK because they keep illegally deporting 2nd generation british folks back to where their parents emigrated from .... those guys Because we are doing that with Australia and New Zealand and Canada? And when it comes to trade, as if politicians are bothered about such things. You havent answeres what your commonwealth comment was all about. " It was obvious. | |||
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"the commonwealth ... you know, the countries that are getting more and more fucked off with the UK because they keep illegally deporting 2nd generation british folks back to where their parents emigrated from .... those guys Because we are doing that with Australia and New Zealand and Canada? And when it comes to trade, as if politicians are bothered about such things. " They do. Its used as leverage on both sides. Also you addressed the common wealth as if it were a trade block its not. Outside of the angloshere commonwealth nations and india, can you actually name other common wealth nations which want large exports of our goods and services, and can you tell me what we will want from them beyond food? | |||
 . The desperate attempts that some of the brexit lot make, including Gove, as time ticks away and the magical brexit unicorns appear more as the fantasies of some warped minds, isn't funny, it's dire tragedy. | |||
"the commonwealth ... you know, the countries that are getting more and more fucked off with the UK because they keep illegally deporting 2nd generation british folks back to where their parents emigrated from .... those guys Because we are doing that with Australia and New Zealand and Canada? And when it comes to trade, as if politicians are bothered about such things. You havent answeres what your commonwealth comment was all about. It was obvious." No it wasnt. We were talking about trade deals with commonwealth countries and you asked if we'd forgotten about the commonwealth as if they were a trading block which theyre not. | |||
"the commonwealth ... you know, the countries that are getting more and more fucked off with the UK because they keep illegally deporting 2nd generation british folks back to where their parents emigrated from .... those guys Because we are doing that with Australia and New Zealand and Canada? And when it comes to trade, as if politicians are bothered about such things. You havent answeres what your commonwealth comment was all about. It was obvious. No it wasnt. We were talking about trade deals with commonwealth countries and you asked if we'd forgotten about the commonwealth as if they were a trading block which theyre not." The blatant ineptitude of your average brexiter. | |||
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"I'm slightly more worried about what the EU will want to buy from NZ especially - we are a net exporter of lamb and compete with NZ. Up until now, Europe has taken much of our surplus AND paid a premium for it. Will they do that post brexit? Aus and NZ can supply all sorts of Agricultural products cheaper than us.. " We'll have moggy and gove telling us to deregulate oyr livestock standards. Cause nothing says CONSERVATIVISM like royally fucking up your food production and creating an unsustainable problem to manage. | |||
"I'm slightly more worried about what the EU will want to buy from NZ especially - we are a net exporter of lamb and compete with NZ. Up until now, Europe has taken much of our surplus AND paid a premium for it. Will they do that post brexit? Aus and NZ can supply all sorts of Agricultural products cheaper than us.. We'll have moggy and gove telling us to deregulate oyr livestock standards. Cause nothing says CONSERVATIVISM like royally fucking up your food production and creating an unsustainable problem to manage." You can deregulate sheep production all you like, it won't make the blindest bit of difference. The only reason sheep production is viable is because they are marginal graders and can produce meat on land that would otherwise be unfarmable. | |||
" Smaller market?? The UK economy is bigger than Australia's. According to remainers logic which has been stated many times in this forum before the bigger economy will have the upper hand in any trade deal. So using remainers own logic the UK will have the upper hand in a trade deal with Australia. The question was who will get a better deal, the UK, or the EU? Ask yourself, which economy is bigger? The UK, or the EU?
Britains hand is further weakened by virtue of the fact that if they're outside the single market they'll be under immense pressure to get a lot of trade deals done very quickly. Australia (or anyone else) can afford to slow negotiations down if theyre not getting all they want whereas the UK wont have that option which will likely lead to more concessions on their part.
Can afford to slow the negotiations, LMAO! Comedy gold right there.
Even if Australia did that the UK could still do a quicker trade deal than the EU. How long did the EU/Canada trade deal take again? Maybe you can remind everyone why it took so long because 27 EU members were squabbling like rats in a sack amongst each other over what they wanted from the deal. "28 countries, not 27. The UK remains a member of the EU and no doubt behaved like all the other “rats” too. | |||
"the commonwealth ... you know, the countries that are getting more and more fucked off with the UK because they keep illegally deporting 2nd generation british folks back to where their parents emigrated from .... those guys Because we are doing that with Australia and New Zealand and Canada? And when it comes to trade, as if politicians are bothered about such things. You havent answeres what your commonwealth comment was all about. It was obvious. No it wasnt. We were talking about trade deals with commonwealth countries and you asked if we'd forgotten about the commonwealth as if they were a trading block which theyre not." Of course they are countries that trade and want trade deals. We already have an association with them, and so why shouldn't we be able to reach trade deals with them? | |||
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"I’m sure it is possible. But remember it is 52 separate trade deals and the UK has not negotiated a trade deal for 50 years, so has no experience to call upon. But of course, these will be the easiest things in the world to clinch. Especially when other countries want to include special immigration status for their citizens, as India has already alludec to. "We are the 5th largest economy in the world. Home to some of the largest businesses in the world. You think none of those people have ever negotiated a trade deal? That there is not a massive pool of talent that can be recruited to help if necessary? How tiny and how cut off are New Zealand? They are pretty good at trade deals. They offered to help as a small English speaking country on the day that the results of the Brexit vote were announced. | |||
"I’m sure it is possible. But remember it is 52 separate trade deals and the UK has not negotiated a trade deal for 50 years, so has no experience to call upon. But of course, these will be the easiest things in the world to clinch. Especially when other countries want to include special immigration status for their citizens, as India has already alludec to.
We are the 5th largest economy in the world. Home to some of the largest businesses in the world. You think none of those people have ever negotiated a trade deal? That there is not a massive pool of talent that can be recruited to help if necessary?
How tiny and how cut off are New Zealand? They are pretty good at trade deals. They offered to help as a small English speaking country on the day that the results of the Brexit vote were announced."LeedsAndy, I have finally figured out that you are a parody account, trolling all of us and pretending to be your average brexiter. No honest, dyed in the wool brexiter could say, with a straight face, that our trade deal with NZ will be great, because they are going to lend us negotiators, to negotiate a trade deal with themselves!
Well played sir, we'll played. | |||
"I’m sure it is possible. But remember it is 52 separate trade deals and the UK has not negotiated a trade deal for 50 years, so has no experience to call upon. But of course, these will be the easiest things in the world to clinch. Especially when other countries want to include special immigration status for their citizens, as India has already alludec to.
We are the 5th largest economy in the world. Home to some of the largest businesses in the world. You think none of those people have ever negotiated a trade deal? That there is not a massive pool of talent that can be recruited to help if necessary?
How tiny and how cut off are New Zealand? They are pretty good at trade deals. They offered to help as a small English speaking country on the day that the results of the Brexit vote were announced.
LeedsAndy, I have finally figured out that you are a parody account, trolling all of us and pretending to be your average brexiter.
No honest, dyed in the wool brexiter could say, with a straight face, that our trade deal with NZ will be great, because they are going to lend us negotiators, to negotiate a trade deal with themselves!
Well played sir, we'll played. "All you do is twist words to make posts to fill your boring day and succeed in making yourself look stupid. Where did I say that NZ would lend us a negotiator to negotiate against them? They would like to do a trade deal with the UK. They said that at the announcement of the results of the vote. They also offered to advice us on how to negotiate on the world stage from their experience as a small, English speaking country. That is what I posted. I did not say that they were offering help to negotiate against them. You just invented that. You can call me a parody. You can say that I will change my name. I haven't. I am not here all day, because unlike you, I have other things to do. Unlike you, I do not have a left-wing, Remoaner attitude. Nor do the majority of the country. You can moan all you like, pushing your left-wing, Remoaner agenda all you like, but sadly for you, the UK is not run by a left-wing, Remoaner government. | |||
"I’m sure it is possible. But remember it is 52 separate trade deals and the UK has not negotiated a trade deal for 50 years, so has no experience to call upon. But of course, these will be the easiest things in the world to clinch. Especially when other countries want to include special immigration status for their citizens, as India has already alludec to.
We are the 5th largest economy in the world. Home to some of the largest businesses in the world. You think none of those people have ever negotiated a trade deal? That there is not a massive pool of talent that can be recruited to help if necessary?
How tiny and how cut off are New Zealand? They are pretty good at trade deals. They offered to help as a small English speaking country on the day that the results of the Brexit vote were announced.
LeedsAndy, I have finally figured out that you are a parody account, trolling all of us and pretending to be your average brexiter.
No honest, dyed in the wool brexiter could say, with a straight face, that our trade deal with NZ will be great, because they are going to lend us negotiators, to negotiate a trade deal with themselves!
Well played sir, we'll played.
All you do is twist words to make posts to fill your boring day and succeed in making yourself look stupid.
Where did I say that NZ would lend us a negotiator to negotiate against them?
They would like to do a trade deal with the UK. They said that at the announcement of the results of the vote.
They also offered to advice us on how to negotiate on the world stage from their experience as a small, English speaking country.
That is what I posted. I did not say that they were offering help to negotiate against them.
You just invented that.
You can call me a parody. You can say that I will change my name.
I haven't. I am not here all day, because unlike you, I have other things to do.
Unlike you, I do not have a left-wing, Remoaner attitude. Nor do the majority of the country.
You can moan all you like, pushing your left-wing, Remoaner agenda all you like, but sadly for you, the UK is not run by a left-wing, Remoaner government.
"On the other thread you are complaining it's run by a left wing remoaner civil service!
Haha, well played! | |||
"I’m sure it is possible. But remember it is 52 separate trade deals and the UK has not negotiated a trade deal for 50 years, so has no experience to call upon. But of course, these will be the easiest things in the world to clinch. Especially when other countries want to include special immigration status for their citizens, as India has already alludec to.
We are the 5th largest economy in the world. Home to some of the largest businesses in the world. You think none of those people have ever negotiated a trade deal? That there is not a massive pool of talent that can be recruited to help if necessary?
How tiny and how cut off are New Zealand? They are pretty good at trade deals. They offered to help as a small English speaking country on the day that the results of the Brexit vote were announced.
LeedsAndy, I have finally figured out that you are a parody account, trolling all of us and pretending to be your average brexiter.
No honest, dyed in the wool brexiter could say, with a straight face, that our trade deal with NZ will be great, because they are going to lend us negotiators, to negotiate a trade deal with themselves!
Well played sir, we'll played.
All you do is twist words to make posts to fill your boring day and succeed in making yourself look stupid.
Where did I say that NZ would lend us a negotiator to negotiate against them?
They would like to do a trade deal with the UK. They said that at the announcement of the results of the vote.
They also offered to advice us on how to negotiate on the world stage from their experience as a small, English speaking country.
That is what I posted. I did not say that they were offering help to negotiate against them.
You just invented that.
You can call me a parody. You can say that I will change my name.
I haven't. I am not here all day, because unlike you, I have other things to do.
Unlike you, I do not have a left-wing, Remoaner attitude. Nor do the majority of the country.
You can moan all you like, pushing your left-wing, Remoaner agenda all you like, but sadly for you, the UK is not run by a left-wing, Remoaner government.
On the other thread you are complaining it's run by a left wing remoaner civil service!
Haha, well played! "Yes. The left-wing Remoaner civil service is trying the put as many spanners in the works of Brexit. Luckily the Government is not left-wing or Remoaner. So your unemployed, bored with daytime tv so on here pushing your left-wing, Remoaner attitude is just going to leave you disappointed as we leave the EU. | |||
"I’m sure it is possible. But remember it is 52 separate trade deals and the UK has not negotiated a trade deal for 50 years, so has no experience to call upon. But of course, these will be the easiest things in the world to clinch. Especially when other countries want to include special immigration status for their citizens, as India has already alludec to.
We are the 5th largest economy in the world. Home to some of the largest businesses in the world. You think none of those people have ever negotiated a trade deal? That there is not a massive pool of talent that can be recruited to help if necessary?
How tiny and how cut off are New Zealand? They are pretty good at trade deals. They offered to help as a small English speaking country on the day that the results of the Brexit vote were announced.
LeedsAndy, I have finally figured out that you are a parody account, trolling all of us and pretending to be your average brexiter.
No honest, dyed in the wool brexiter could say, with a straight face, that our trade deal with NZ will be great, because they are going to lend us negotiators, to negotiate a trade deal with themselves!
Well played sir, we'll played.
All you do is twist words to make posts to fill your boring day and succeed in making yourself look stupid.
Where did I say that NZ would lend us a negotiator to negotiate against them?
They would like to do a trade deal with the UK. They said that at the announcement of the results of the vote.
They also offered to advice us on how to negotiate on the world stage from their experience as a small, English speaking country.
That is what I posted. I did not say that they were offering help to negotiate against them.
You just invented that.
You can call me a parody. You can say that I will change my name.
I haven't. I am not here all day, because unlike you, I have other things to do.
Unlike you, I do not have a left-wing, Remoaner attitude. Nor do the majority of the country.
You can moan all you like, pushing your left-wing, Remoaner agenda all you like, but sadly for you, the UK is not run by a left-wing, Remoaner government.
On the other thread you are complaining it's run by a left wing remoaner civil service!
Haha, well played!
Yes. The left-wing Remoaner civil service is trying the put as many spanners in the works of Brexit.
Luckily the Government is not left-wing or Remoaner.
So your unemployed, bored with daytime tv so on here pushing your left-wing, Remoaner attitude is just going to leave you disappointed as we leave the EU."Nope, sorry to disappoint you. | |||
"I’m sure it is possible. But remember it is 52 separate trade deals and the UK has not negotiated a trade deal for 50 years, so has no experience to call upon. But of course, these will be the easiest things in the world to clinch. Especially when other countries want to include special immigration status for their citizens, as India has already alludec to.
We are the 5th largest economy in the world. Home to some of the largest businesses in the world. You think none of those people have ever negotiated a trade deal? That there is not a massive pool of talent that can be recruited to help if necessary?
How tiny and how cut off are New Zealand? They are pretty good at trade deals. They offered to help as a small English speaking country on the day that the results of the Brexit vote were announced.
LeedsAndy, I have finally figured out that you are a parody account, trolling all of us and pretending to be your average brexiter.
No honest, dyed in the wool brexiter could say, with a straight face, that our trade deal with NZ will be great, because they are going to lend us negotiators, to negotiate a trade deal with themselves!
Well played sir, we'll played.
All you do is twist words to make posts to fill your boring day and succeed in making yourself look stupid.
Where did I say that NZ would lend us a negotiator to negotiate against them?
They would like to do a trade deal with the UK. They said that at the announcement of the results of the vote.
They also offered to advice us on how to negotiate on the world stage from their experience as a small, English speaking country.
That is what I posted. I did not say that they were offering help to negotiate against them.
You just invented that.
You can call me a parody. You can say that I will change my name.
I haven't. I am not here all day, because unlike you, I have other things to do.
Unlike you, I do not have a left-wing, Remoaner attitude. Nor do the majority of the country.
You can moan all you like, pushing your left-wing, Remoaner agenda all you like, but sadly for you, the UK is not run by a left-wing, Remoaner government.
On the other thread you are complaining it's run by a left wing remoaner civil service!
Haha, well played!
Yes. The left-wing Remoaner civil service is trying the put as many spanners in the works of Brexit.
Luckily the Government is not left-wing or Remoaner.
So your unemployed, bored with daytime tv so on here pushing your left-wing, Remoaner attitude is just going to leave you disappointed as we leave the EU.
Nope, sorry to disappoint you. "Yeah right! You are so bitter and twisted because we are leaving the EUSSR and you cannot contain your hatred of that decision. You fill your unemployed days on here moaning on about it. | |||
"I’m sure it is possible. But remember it is 52 separate trade deals and the UK has not negotiated a trade deal for 50 years, so has no experience to call upon. But of course, these will be the easiest things in the world to clinch. Especially when other countries want to include special immigration status for their citizens, as India has already alludec to.
We are the 5th largest economy in the world. Home to some of the largest businesses in the world. You think none of those people have ever negotiated a trade deal? That there is not a massive pool of talent that can be recruited to help if necessary?
How tiny and how cut off are New Zealand? They are pretty good at trade deals. They offered to help as a small English speaking country on the day that the results of the Brexit vote were announced.
LeedsAndy, I have finally figured out that you are a parody account, trolling all of us and pretending to be your average brexiter.
No honest, dyed in the wool brexiter could say, with a straight face, that our trade deal with NZ will be great, because they are going to lend us negotiators, to negotiate a trade deal with themselves!
Well played sir, we'll played.
All you do is twist words to make posts to fill your boring day and succeed in making yourself look stupid.
Where did I say that NZ would lend us a negotiator to negotiate against them?
They would like to do a trade deal with the UK. They said that at the announcement of the results of the vote.
They also offered to advice us on how to negotiate on the world stage from their experience as a small, English speaking country.
That is what I posted. I did not say that they were offering help to negotiate against them.
You just invented that.
You can call me a parody. You can say that I will change my name.
I haven't. I am not here all day, because unlike you, I have other things to do.
Unlike you, I do not have a left-wing, Remoaner attitude. Nor do the majority of the country.
You can moan all you like, pushing your left-wing, Remoaner agenda all you like, but sadly for you, the UK is not run by a left-wing, Remoaner government.
On the other thread you are complaining it's run by a left wing remoaner civil service!
Haha, well played!
Yes. The left-wing Remoaner civil service is trying the put as many spanners in the works of Brexit.
Luckily the Government is not left-wing or Remoaner.
So your unemployed, bored with daytime tv so on here pushing your left-wing, Remoaner attitude is just going to leave you disappointed as we leave the EU."Bit rude to extrapolate that someone is on here during the day because they are unemployed, the same could be said for yourself, or even myself. Also the Civil Service is objectionist. They work with spreadsheets and statistics. It's up to the political think tanks, MP's, Lords and legal groups to portray those statistics honestly. And it's up to opposing groups to correct or highlight ata that has been misrepresented or 'appropriately' disregarded. Given that Mr Rees Mogg's think tank recently lobbied Teresa May to get the food standards agency to stop producing country but country food safety standards of production reports from the angle of trade potential, we can see where this is going. | |||
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" You havent answeres what your commonwealth comment was all about. It was obvious. No it wasnt. We were talking about trade deals with commonwealth countries and you asked if we'd forgotten about the commonwealth as if they were a trading block which theyre not. Of course they are countries that trade and want trade deals. We already have an association with them, and so why shouldn't we be able to reach trade deals with them? " Its funny, your reply has literally nothing to do with what I or anyone else has said. No one at all said you couldnt do a deal with Commonwealth countries, in fact just the opposite. People said a deal would be done but were devating who'd have the upper hand in negotiations. So, again, we were talking about doing deals with commonwealth countries and you asked if we'd forgotten about them as if they were a trade organisation. Why? Maybe you should spend less time lashing out on forums about the imagined employment status of strangers and work on your anger issues. You know its not normal to get as worked up as you are over the internet. | |||
"(...) But of course, these will be the easiest things in the world to clinch. Especially when other countries want to include special immigration status for their citizens, as India has already alludec to. "AND Japan, as per the FT article I have pasted earlier. Japan, in fact, also said that they won't give the UK as good a deal as they have the EU. The whole article makes for very interesting reading and gives a good indication of things to come in our negotiations as a single country with countries around the world. | |||
"I’m sure it is possible. But remember it is 52 separate trade deals and the UK has not negotiated a trade deal for 50 years, so has no experience to call upon. But of course, these will be the easiest things in the world to clinch. Especially when other countries want to include special immigration status for their citizens, as India has already alludec to.
We are the 5th largest economy in the world. Home to some of the largest businesses in the world. You think none of those people have ever negotiated a trade deal? That there is not a massive pool of talent that can be recruited to help if necessary?
How tiny and how cut off are New Zealand? They are pretty good at trade deals. They offered to help as a small English speaking country on the day that the results of the Brexit vote were announced."You realise all those large international businesses don't do business with countries right. A business is a legal entity which operates in one or several countries. They do not need a trade deal to operate, they just need to obey the countries regulations, have the right to operate, and co-operate with the international or regional trade organisation they fall under. So you can't just take a business owner - or more accurately his or her legal team, and just offer them to negotiate for a Nation rather than a private company, they're not going to have the legal knowledge to execute the role. | |||
" Smaller market?? The UK economy is bigger than Australia's. According to remainers logic which has been stated many times in this forum before the bigger economy will have the upper hand in any trade deal. So using remainers own logic the UK will have the upper hand in a trade deal with Australia. So, all new post Brexit trade deals will be better than we currently have then Centaur ?" Decided on an answer yet | |||
" Smaller market?? The UK economy is bigger than Australia's. According to remainers logic which has been stated many times in this forum before the bigger economy will have the upper hand in any trade deal. So using remainers own logic the UK will have the upper hand in a trade deal with Australia. So, all new post Brexit trade deals will be better than we currently have then Centaur ? Decided on an answer yet "The answer was in the original comment if you had been smart enough to work it out. The answer is there is definitely potential there to have better, (more targeted to the UK's needs), trade deals after Brexit. | |||
" Smaller market?? The UK economy is bigger than Australia's. According to remainers logic which has been stated many times in this forum before the bigger economy will have the upper hand in any trade deal. So using remainers own logic the UK will have the upper hand in a trade deal with Australia. So, all new post Brexit trade deals will be better than we currently have then Centaur ? Decided on an answer yet
The answer was in the original comment if you had been smart enough to work it out. The answer is there is definitely potential there to have better, (more targeted to the UK's needs), trade deals after Brexit. "That sounds pretty vague (like most Brexit benefits seem to be). How are the British negotiators going to get these supposed benefits when, by your own admission, they couldnt get the EU to seek them when you had veto power over any trade deal? And that was in a situation where you werent under tremendous time pressure to get dozens of deals done as quickly as possible and you had the EU do all the day to day work. | |||
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". That sounds pretty vague (like most Brexit benefits seem to be). " Isn't it all vague? None of us know what will happen in any trade deals. | |||
"A little lesson in trade deals for our Brexit loving friends. Preamble - Assess weighting protocols. EU Population 400,000,000 Australia 24,000,000 Gross weighting EU 94% Australia 6% Australia will be lucky to get anything other than anal without lube. U.K. population 65,000,000 Australia population 24,000,000 Gross weighting U.K. 63% Australia 37% With more than twice the population the U.K. can leverage good benefits but of course nothing like the clout of an EU weighted deal." If you've ever read Predictioneer (excellent book but a bit math heavy) they actually show how formulas like this can be used to predict how things like this. One of the examples they used was to predict the results of an Indian election, what coalition would result, why it would fall apart in a few months and the next coalition to follow. For something like the UK/Aus trade negotiations you have to look at factors like: Value of UK market x Need to get a deal done x Stability of government x Time pressure x Damage to economy of no deal And then do the same for Australia. Overall its weighted in Australias favour because their government wont suffer unduly if theres no deal while it would be a major black eye to the Tories if they had to announce a failed deal. The UK economy will also suffer more if they cant get deals done and done quickly. The only negotiations the UK have the upper hand in are the ones that will least benefit them. The same situation plays out in negotiations between the US and EU. America has the bigger economy but the EU doesnt need the deal and has no pressure to dona deal (in terms of time or in government stability) so the deal doesnt get done. Australia can live without a deal with little to lose because whatever they might lose from the UK they'll more than make up for in the EU deal. Brexiters thought theyd have their own way in Brexit negotiations and reality has hit hard and the same is going to happen with Australia and other mid to large countries. | |||
"A little lesson in trade deals for our Brexit loving friends. Preamble - Assess weighting protocols. EU Population 400,000,000 Australia 24,000,000 Gross weighting EU 94% Australia 6% Australia will be lucky to get anything other than anal without lube. U.K. population 65,000,000 Australia population 24,000,000 Gross weighting U.K. 63% Australia 37% With more than twice the population the U.K. can leverage good benefits but of course nothing like the clout of an EU weighted deal. If you've ever read Predictioneer (excellent book but a bit math heavy) they actually show how formulas like this can be used to predict how things like this. One of the examples they used was to predict the results of an Indian election, what coalition would result, why it would fall apart in a few months and the next coalition to follow. For something like the UK/Aus trade negotiations you have to look at factors like: Value of UK market x Need to get a deal done x Stability of government x Time pressure x Damage to economy of no deal And then do the same for Australia. Overall its weighted in Australias favour because their government wont suffer unduly if theres no deal while it would be a major black eye to the Tories if they had to announce a failed deal. The UK economy will also suffer more if they cant get deals done and done quickly. The only negotiations the UK have the upper hand in are the ones that will least benefit them. The same situation plays out in negotiations between the US and EU. America has the bigger economy but the EU doesnt need the deal and has no pressure to dona deal (in terms of time or in government stability) so the deal doesnt get done. Australia can live without a deal with little to lose because whatever they might lose from the UK they'll more than make up for in the EU deal. Brexiters thought theyd have their own way in Brexit negotiations and reality has hit hard and the same is going to happen with Australia and other mid to large countries." Did they predict the result of the EU referendum? | |||
"A little lesson in trade deals for our Brexit loving friends. Preamble - Assess weighting protocols. EU Population 400,000,000 Australia 24,000,000 Gross weighting EU 94% Australia 6% Australia will be lucky to get anything other than anal without lube. U.K. population 65,000,000 Australia population 24,000,000 Gross weighting U.K. 63% Australia 37% With more than twice the population the U.K. can leverage good benefits but of course nothing like the clout of an EU weighted deal. If you've ever read Predictioneer (excellent book but a bit math heavy) they actually show how formulas like this can be used to predict how things like this. One of the examples they used was to predict the results of an Indian election, what coalition would result, why it would fall apart in a few months and the next coalition to follow. For something like the UK/Aus trade negotiations you have to look at factors like: Value of UK market x Need to get a deal done x Stability of government x Time pressure x Damage to economy of no deal And then do the same for Australia. Overall its weighted in Australias favour because their government wont suffer unduly if theres no deal while it would be a major black eye to the Tories if they had to announce a failed deal. The UK economy will also suffer more if they cant get deals done and done quickly. The only negotiations the UK have the upper hand in are the ones that will least benefit them. The same situation plays out in negotiations between the US and EU. America has the bigger economy but the EU doesnt need the deal and has no pressure to dona deal (in terms of time or in government stability) so the deal doesnt get done. Australia can live without a deal with little to lose because whatever they might lose from the UK they'll more than make up for in the EU deal. Brexiters thought theyd have their own way in Brexit negotiations and reality has hit hard and the same is going to happen with Australia and other mid to large countries. Did they predict the result of the EU referendum?" Maybe the Populous poll which put Remain 10 points ahead of Leave on the eve of the EU referendum used this formula? | |||
"A little lesson in trade deals for our Brexit loving friends. Preamble - Assess weighting protocols. EU Population 400,000,000 Australia 24,000,000 Gross weighting EU 94% Australia 6% Australia will be lucky to get anything other than anal without lube. U.K. population 65,000,000 Australia population 24,000,000 Gross weighting U.K. 63% Australia 37% With more than twice the population the U.K. can leverage good benefits but of course nothing like the clout of an EU weighted deal. If you've ever read Predictioneer (excellent book but a bit math heavy) they actually show how formulas like this can be used to predict how things like this. One of the examples they used was to predict the results of an Indian election, what coalition would result, why it would fall apart in a few months and the next coalition to follow. For something like the UK/Aus trade negotiations you have to look at factors like: Value of UK market x Need to get a deal done x Stability of government x Time pressure x Damage to economy of no deal And then do the same for Australia. Overall its weighted in Australias favour because their government wont suffer unduly if theres no deal while it would be a major black eye to the Tories if they had to announce a failed deal. The UK economy will also suffer more if they cant get deals done and done quickly. The only negotiations the UK have the upper hand in are the ones that will least benefit them. The same situation plays out in negotiations between the US and EU. America has the bigger economy but the EU doesnt need the deal and has no pressure to dona deal (in terms of time or in government stability) so the deal doesnt get done. Australia can live without a deal with little to lose because whatever they might lose from the UK they'll more than make up for in the EU deal. Brexiters thought theyd have their own way in Brexit negotiations and reality has hit hard and the same is going to happen with Australia and other mid to large countries. Did they predict the result of the EU referendum? Maybe the Populous poll which put Remain 10 points ahead of Leave on the eve of the EU referendum used this formula? "Then again maybe Peter Kellner, a former President of pollsters Yougov, who said in the final days before the EU referendum result that Remain would win by an 8.5% margin, perhaps he used Explicitlyrics formula to reach that conclusion? | |||
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In any negotiation the side that needs a deal and has time pressure is going to be in a worse position than the side that doesnt.
The UK has 21 months of a transition period to sign at the absolute minimum a dozen major trade deals. Everyone knows thats the position the UK is in and every country negotiating with them will use that to full advantage. The UK cant wait for Australias average of 5 years per trade deal or anyone elses average. They have to go full throttle from the start and convince their potential partners to do the same. And somehow the UK is going to extract concessions that the UK couldnt manage to get in the past when they had far more leverage? Pipe dreams. | |||
" Smaller market?? The UK economy is bigger than Australia's. According to remainers logic which has been stated many times in this forum before the bigger economy will have the upper hand in any trade deal. So using remainers own logic the UK will have the upper hand in a trade deal with Australia. So, all new post Brexit trade deals will be better than we currently have then Centaur ? Decided on an answer yet
The answer was in the original comment if you had been smart enough to work it out. The answer is there is definitely potential there to have better, (more targeted to the UK's needs), trade deals after Brexit. "So what do you think the main differences will be between the EU and UK trade deals will be? | |||
"Wow Centaur, 3 replies and not one of them on topic. Thats a lot of deflecting even for you. Is the reality of the UKs position starting to trouble you?
In any negotiation the side that needs a deal and has time pressure is going to be in a worse position than the side that doesnt.
The UK has 21 months of a transition period to sign at the absolute minimum a dozen major trade deals. Everyone knows thats the position the UK is in and every country negotiating with them will use that to full advantage. The UK cant wait for Australias average of 5 years per trade deal or anyone elses average. They have to go full throttle from the start and convince their potential partners to do the same. And somehow the UK is going to extract concessions that the UK couldnt manage to get in the past when they had far more leverage? Pipe dreams."21 months isn't even enough time the replicate all the countries that the UK CURRENTLY has with 3rd countries like South Korea and Turkey through the EU. So we will have less deals after we leave than we have today. | |||
"Wow Centaur, 3 replies and not one of them on topic. Thats a lot of deflecting even for you. Is the reality of the UKs position starting to trouble you?
In any negotiation the side that needs a deal and has time pressure is going to be in a worse position than the side that doesnt.
The UK has 21 months of a transition period to sign at the absolute minimum a dozen major trade deals. Everyone knows thats the position the UK is in and every country negotiating with them will use that to full advantage. The UK cant wait for Australias average of 5 years per trade deal or anyone elses average. They have to go full throttle from the start and convince their potential partners to do the same. And somehow the UK is going to extract concessions that the UK couldnt manage to get in the past when they had far more leverage? Pipe dreams."3 replies you say??? I've only posted 2 replies since you last posted, is the reality that the UK is leaving the EU now affecting your ability to count to 3?
As for deflection there was none, my replies were relevant and in direct response to what Scrabble posted after you.
As for your little formula, the fact the UK will be able to negotiate a bespoke 1 to 1 deal with the likes of Australia tailored specific to the uk's needs without compromise to other countries needs in a trade bloc (EU) will be a plus, not a negative.
Using the formula in relation to the EU's trade deals, the fact they have to compromise and negotiate amongst themselves (27 members once the UK leaves) as well as the opposing country in the trade deal is a huge negative. It prolongs time span for deals being made as consensus has to be reached amongst 27 and no country in the EU gets 100% of what they want as they are constantly having to give ground to other EU countries needs and wants, the whole thing is a compromise and being a compromise you can never get what you really want being a member of the EU. | |||
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"Wow Centaur, 3 replies and not one of them on topic. Thats a lot of deflecting even for you. Is the reality of the UKs position starting to trouble you?
In any negotiation the side that needs a deal and has time pressure is going to be in a worse position than the side that doesnt.
The UK has 21 months of a transition period to sign at the absolute minimum a dozen major trade deals. Everyone knows thats the position the UK is in and every country negotiating with them will use that to full advantage. The UK cant wait for Australias average of 5 years per trade deal or anyone elses average. They have to go full throttle from the start and convince their potential partners to do the same. And somehow the UK is going to extract concessions that the UK couldnt manage to get in the past when they had far more leverage? Pipe dreams.
3 replies you say??? I've only posted 2 replies since you last posted, is the reality that the UK is leaving the EU now affecting your ability to count to 3?
As for deflection there was none, my replies were relevant and in direct response to what Scrabble posted after you.
As for your little formula, the fact the UK will be able to negotiate a bespoke 1 to 1 deal with the likes of Australia tailored specific to the uk's needs without compromise to other countries needs in a trade bloc (EU) will be a plus, not a negative.
Using the formula in relation to the EU's trade deals, the fact they have to compromise and negotiate amongst themselves (27 members once the UK leaves) as well as the opposing country in the trade deal is a huge negative. It prolongs time span for deals being made as consensus has to be reached amongst 27 and no country in the EU gets 100% of what they want as they are constantly having to give ground to other EU countries needs and wants, the whole thing is a compromise and being a compromise you can never get what you really want being a member of the EU. "Theres so few people supporting Brexit I confused you with Scrabble, apologies and hopefully neither of you takes it as an insult
Are you really pointing to EU negotiations as being chaotic and having to take account of too many points of view when theyve been solidly unified for the Brexit negotiations and the Tories (nevermind including Labour, Lib Dems, Scotland and Northern Irelands point of views in this) cant even decide on what they want after 2 years.
Interestingly the massive CETA deal that was signed took 5 years of negotiation which just so happens to be Australias average for trade deals. And Australias average trade deal is not nearly as large and complicated as CETA. Maybe that says that the EU are quite good and efficient at this negotiating lark.
And what exactly is the UK going to get on these tailored deals thats going to make up for the losses it suffers when it leaves the EU? Its all very well throwing out vague ideas of 1 on 1 being better, but I cant see anything that the UK is going to get that will be that much better. Can you? | |||
"I'm slightly more worried about what the EU will want to buy from NZ especially - we are a net exporter of lamb and compete with NZ. Up until now, Europe has taken much of our surplus AND paid a premium for it. Will they do that post brexit? Aus and NZ can supply all sorts of Agricultural products cheaper than us.. We'll have moggy and gove telling us to deregulate oyr livestock standards. Cause nothing says CONSERVATIVISM like royally fucking up your food production and creating an unsustainable problem to manage." We're already going down the route to intensive beef farming, with upto 3,000 cattle being held in enclosures with no access to pasture. There's likely to be an ever greater race to the bottom, potentially with the UK leading after leaving? | |||
"I'm slightly more worried about what the EU will want to buy from NZ especially - we are a net exporter of lamb and compete with NZ. Up until now, Europe has taken much of our surplus AND paid a premium for it. Will they do that post brexit? Aus and NZ can supply all sorts of Agricultural products cheaper than us.. We'll have moggy and gove telling us to deregulate oyr livestock standards. Cause nothing says CONSERVATIVISM like royally fucking up your food production and creating an unsustainable problem to manage. We're already going down the route to intensive beef farming, with upto 3,000 cattle being held in enclosures with no access to pasture. There's likely to be an ever greater race to the bottom, potentially with the UK leading after leaving? " Your comments just don't tally with reality. Just last week the EU announced they would copy the UK and follow the UK's lead on banning plastic straws, cotton buds and other disposable plastic products. It was the UK environment secretary Michael Gove who announced this measure first, so the EU are lagging behind the UK on environmental issues. A high ranking EU official said over the weekend that the EU was now in a race to the top with the UK. | |||
"I'm slightly more worried about what the EU will want to buy from NZ especially - we are a net exporter of lamb and compete with NZ. Up until now, Europe has taken much of our surplus AND paid a premium for it. Will they do that post brexit? Aus and NZ can supply all sorts of Agricultural products cheaper than us.. We'll have moggy and gove telling us to deregulate oyr livestock standards. Cause nothing says CONSERVATIVISM like royally fucking up your food production and creating an unsustainable problem to manage. We're already going down the route to intensive beef farming, with upto 3,000 cattle being held in enclosures with no access to pasture. There's likely to be an ever greater race to the bottom, potentially with the UK leading after leaving? Your comments just don't tally with reality. Just last week the EU announced they would copy the UK and follow the UK's lead on banning plastic straws, cotton buds and other disposable plastic products. It was the UK environment secretary Michael Gove who announced this measure first, so the EU are lagging behind the UK on environmental issues. A high ranking EU official said over the weekend that the EU was now in a race to the top with the UK. " JRM says that if India's environmental regulations are good enough for India, then they are good enough for the UK. Do you agree ? | |||
"I'm slightly more worried about what the EU will want to buy from NZ especially - we are a net exporter of lamb and compete with NZ. Up until now, Europe has taken much of our surplus AND paid a premium for it. Will they do that post brexit? Aus and NZ can supply all sorts of Agricultural products cheaper than us.. We'll have moggy and gove telling us to deregulate oyr livestock standards. Cause nothing says CONSERVATIVISM like royally fucking up your food production and creating an unsustainable problem to manage. We're already going down the route to intensive beef farming, with upto 3,000 cattle being held in enclosures with no access to pasture. There's likely to be an ever greater race to the bottom, potentially with the UK leading after leaving? Your comments just don't tally with reality. Just last week the EU announced they would copy the UK and follow the UK's lead on banning plastic straws, cotton buds and other disposable plastic products. It was the UK environment secretary Michael Gove who announced this measure first, so the EU are lagging behind the UK on environmental issues. A high ranking EU official said over the weekend that the EU was now in a race to the top with the UK. " Yeah the great re-invented backstabber Gove! If you had paid close attention to the reports, Gove and Timmermans have been having a dick measuring contest about who said what first. Timmermans first suggested the "war on plastic" in January and Gove *copied* his idea in Feb/Mar and put some gravy on the top to make it sound original. In fact the EU are planning to ban a lot more plastic items, including takeaway containers, cutlery, etc. Gove never had an original idea, nor will he ever. Even in running for PM he had to copy his supposed bestie, BoJo!
If you think that after Brexit our government, whoever it may be, will be primarily concerned with standards, rights, environment, etc, you've got another thing coming. They'll be too busy trying to salvage the economy while chasing all them "amazing* deals, that they'll be cutting corners even from circles!
I really mean no disrespect (and I admire your optimism - even though I truly think it's naive) but just because you've been promised (and made to believe) that there's gonna be gold at the end of the rainbow, the likelihood is that, if we ever get there, we'll discover that all that shines is not gold. I hope I'm wrong. | |||
"I'm slightly more worried about what the EU will want to buy from NZ especially - we are a net exporter of lamb and compete with NZ. Up until now, Europe has taken much of our surplus AND paid a premium for it. Will they do that post brexit? Aus and NZ can supply all sorts of Agricultural products cheaper than us.. We'll have moggy and gove telling us to deregulate oyr livestock standards. Cause nothing says CONSERVATIVISM like royally fucking up your food production and creating an unsustainable problem to manage. We're already going down the route to intensive beef farming, with upto 3,000 cattle being held in enclosures with no access to pasture. There's likely to be an ever greater race to the bottom, potentially with the UK leading after leaving? Your comments just don't tally with reality. Just last week the EU announced they would copy the UK and follow the UK's lead on banning plastic straws, cotton buds and other disposable plastic products. It was the UK environment secretary Michael Gove who announced this measure first, so the EU are lagging behind the UK on environmental issues. A high ranking EU official said over the weekend that the EU was now in a race to the top with the UK. " Some sense! We can jointly agree and adhere to increased EU standards that we've helped to create. | |||
