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"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss" Never know until you try!  | |||
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"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss" Ooo contentious. In general I stay away from asking about politics and religion... at least until we'd had a good fuck lol. Remoaner here  | |||
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"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss Ooo contentious. In general I stay away from asking about politics and religion... at least until we'd had a good fuck lol. Remoaner here "Great to meet you fellow remained! Obviously it’s nit something i would ask either, but i dunno maybe I will | |||
"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss" Cool by me | |||
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"Brexits paying my bills "That's odd as to my knowledge the UK is still part of the eu | |||
"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss" Not sure I would click with anyone who can't get on with someone who has different views than them | |||
"Brexits paying my bills
That's odd as to my knowledge the UK is still part of the eu "Dont matter if its part of arctic its still paying my bills | |||
"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss" Remainer here and it depends on their reasoning I guess. I know I would not get on with anybody who is on the far right so yes, it might make a difference. | |||
"Brexits paying my bills
That's odd as to my knowledge the UK is still part of the eu
Dont matter if its part of arctic its still paying my bills "It ? What exactly is it | |||
"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss Not sure I would click with anyone who can't get on with someone who has different views than them"  | |||
"Brexits paying my bills
That's odd as to my knowledge the UK is still part of the eu
Dont matter if its part of arctic its still paying my bills
It ? What exactly is it "If ‘it’ refers to the UK, then he’s saying ‘it doesn’t matter if the UK is part of the Arctic, it’s still paying my bills’ Whereas if ‘it’ refers to Brexit, then he’s saying ‘it doesn’t matter if Brexit is part of the Arctic, it’s still paying my bills’ | |||
"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss" . I like the way you wrote this on another thread. "You have every right to be fussy! I won’t meet just anyone either. Mind you, you guys look saucy! And close by (I am in hessle)". . You never asked them if they voted brexit though, just pics of the wife's tits out and lived close by was good enough  | |||
"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss" Unless, of course, that person has tits and a vagina. I don't believe for one second that you'd turn down sex with a hot woman because of her political views - this is just poser talk. | |||
"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss Unless, of course, that person has tits and a vagina. I don't believe for one second that you'd turn down sex with a hot woman because of her political views - this is just poser talk." I can imagine the conversation: “Wanna fuck me, big boy?” “Yur” “I’m of the econo-political view that unhindered free trade is the way to improve the lives of all, so I voted to leave the EU at the referendum” “Gerremoff” | |||
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"Last week people were on about how they wouldn’t meet someone who read The Sun or The Daily Mail , now it’s Brexit . Ffs ... I’m so glad we don’t give a flying fuck whether the people we meet read this or that newspaper , who they vote for , or anything else . This is just a very satisfying hobby for us , no more , no less ." That’s the thing though, you guys have this as your hobby and you have each other. A lot of people do this to find friends or even partners. When you’re spending large amounts of time with people, those sort of things matter | |||
"I voted remain, my best friend voted leave ... we are still best friends, who respect each others right to their own opinion. " Same for me. My whole family voted remain. We still all get on! | |||
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"I voted remain, my best friend voted leave ... we are still best friends, who respect each others right to their own opinion. Same for me. My whole family voted remain. We still all get on! "But...... would you shag 'em? | |||
"I voted remain, my best friend voted leave ... we are still best friends, who respect each others right to their own opinion. Same for me. My whole family voted remain. We still all get on!
But...... would you shag 'em? " | |||
"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss Unless, of course, that person has tits and a vagina. I don't believe for one second that you'd turn down sex with a hot woman because of her political views - this is just poser talk. I can imagine the conversation: “Wanna fuck me, big boy?” “Yur” “I’m of the econo-political view that unhindered free trade is the way to improve the lives of all, so I voted to leave the EU at the referendum” “Gerremoff”"  | |||
"I voted remain, my best friend voted leave ... we are still best friends, who respect each others right to their own opinion. Same for me. My whole family voted remain. We still all get on!
But...... would you shag 'em? "Only in Norfolk. | |||
"I voted remain, my best friend voted leave ... we are still best friends, who respect each others right to their own opinion. Same for me. My whole family voted remain. We still all get on!
But...... would you shag 'em?
Only in Norfolk."Is this why you no longer get invited on family holidays? | |||
"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss" Tbh OP as a single male on here im sure that using brexit as a filter would ensure that it was a long time between meets... Single men need all the help they can get, putting obstacles in the way can only be a bad thing for you  | |||
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"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss Remainer here and it depends on their reasoning I guess. I know I would not get on with anybody who is on the far right so yes, it might make a difference." Hello you! Nice to see you back on the forums. | |||
"This continuous Brexit debate is a bit like sex really...in...out..in..out..in..out as long as we can still shop at Aldi I don't give flying.... " | |||
"I voted remain, my best friend voted leave ... we are still best friends, who respect each others right to their own opinion. Same for me. My whole family voted remain. We still all get on!
But...... would you shag 'em?
Only in Norfolk.
Is this why you no longer get invited on family holidays? " | |||
"This continuous Brexit debate is a bit like sex really...in...out..in..out..in..out as long as we can still shop at Aldi I don't give flying.... " | |||
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"Does politics really come into it? Surely if your both attracted to each other then just shag each others brains out. Frank" | |||
"I voted remain, my best friend voted leave ... we are still best friends, who respect each others right to their own opinion. Same for me. My whole family voted remain. We still all get on! "That was meant to say that my whole family voted to leave! | |||
"I voted remain, my best friend voted leave ... we are still best friends, who respect each others right to their own opinion. Same for me. My whole family voted remain. We still all get on!
But...... would you shag 'em?
Only in Norfolk."You know what they say in Norfolk. The family that lays together, stays together. | |||
"I voted remain, my best friend voted leave ... we are still best friends, who respect each others right to their own opinion. Same for me. My whole family voted remain. We still all get on!
That was meant to say that my whole family voted to leave! "Then you definitely shouldn't sleep with them! | |||
"I voted remain, my best friend voted leave ... we are still best friends, who respect each others right to their own opinion. Same for me. My whole family voted remain. We still all get on!
But...... would you shag 'em?
Only in Norfolk.
You know what they say in Norfolk. The family that lays together, stays together. "Oh come on ....play nice now | |||
"I voted remain, my best friend voted leave ... we are still best friends, who respect each others right to their own opinion. Same for me. My whole family voted remain. We still all get on!
But...... would you shag 'em?
Only in Norfolk.
You know what they say in Norfolk. The family that lays together, stays together. " | |||
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"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss" In my opinion you should always talk with people who vote for brexit and slowly explained them how they was manipulated by Tories and UKIP and this whole Brexit campaign was base on lies for example £100 mln back to NHS repeted by FarCUNTge. Also you should remaind them about resignation of Cameron who don't want take responsibility for it and leave it for poor May, I think she is so stupid she still don't know what is going on. I suppose she is sure this whole battle is for that to bring blue passports again ... So on the end it's left explained them that only person who is called bloody commie, grandson of Karl Marks and biggest antisemitic in the UK (Mr. J. Corbyn) have solutions how to minimalism a damage after this morons who played with prejudice UK citizen to others nations specially when migrants crisis began. Also you can remaind them who start war on the middle east and who should take responsibility for that (Blair, Bush and most of country in ONZ). Litlle lesson of History maybe can help them to admit that they made mistake and they regret it? Because if you left that kind persons who have problem with logic thinking for themselves they will convince other peapole by fear and prejudice to they iracional and stupid idea and we can have familiar situation like in 1934 in Germany and all we know how this was end right? | |||
"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss Remainer here and it depends on their reasoning I guess. I know I would not get on with anybody who is on the far right so yes, it might make a difference." Well,as a hard left leaning leave voter...I'll meet a centre right leaning remain voter...we all have limits! | |||
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"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss In my opinion you should always talk with people who vote for brexit and slowly explained them how they was manipulated by Tories and UKIP and this whole Brexit campaign was base on lies for example £100 mln back to NHS repeted by FarCUNTge. Also you should remaind them about resignation of Cameron who don't want take responsibility for it and leave it for poor May, I think she is so stupid she still don't know what is going on. I suppose she is sure this whole battle is for that to bring blue passports again ... So on the end it's left explained them that only person who is called bloody commie, grandson of Karl Marks and biggest antisemitic in the UK (Mr. J. Corbyn) have solutions how to minimalism a damage after this morons who played with prejudice UK citizen to others nations specially when migrants crisis began. Also you can remaind them who start war on the middle east and who should take responsibility for that (Blair, Bush and most of country in ONZ). Litlle lesson of History maybe can help them to admit that they made mistake and they regret it? Because if you left that kind persons who have problem with logic thinking for themselves they will convince other peapole by fear and prejudice to they iracional and stupid idea and we can have familiar situation like in 1934 in Germany and all we know how this was end right? " This is why I'm careful about who I talk to about politics. I'm more than happy to listen to another person's opinion as long as they can listen to mine and we can talk about it without insulting one another | |||
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"I respect other people's views and choices therefore it wouldn't make a difference which way they voted but I guess it matters to you else why start a thread about it "I voted leave and I would do so every time .I don't harp on about the result like most remoaners . what difference does it make on here anyway .each to their own | |||
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"I respect other people's views and choices therefore it wouldn't make a difference which way they voted but I guess it matters to you else why start a thread about it I voted leave and I would do so every time .I don't harp on about the result like most remoaners . what difference does it make on here anyway .each to their own "Exactly | |||
"Theres only one type of person we wouldn't meet, and that's traffic wardens, bassads! Oh, and tax inspectors, yeah, them too. "Why tax inspectors? Did you get home after the Panama papers? | |||
"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss In my opinion you should always talk with people who vote for brexit and slowly explained them how they was manipulated by Tories and UKIP and this whole Brexit campaign was base on lies for example £100 mln back to NHS repeted by FarCUNTge. Also you should remaind them about resignation of Cameron who don't want take responsibility for it and leave it for poor May, I think she is so stupid she still don't know what is going on. I suppose she is sure this whole battle is for that to bring blue passports again ... So on the end it's left explained them that only person who is called bloody commie, grandson of Karl Marks and biggest antisemitic in the UK (Mr. J. Corbyn) have solutions how to minimalism a damage after this morons who played with prejudice UK citizen to others nations specially when migrants crisis began. Also you can remaind them who start war on the middle east and who should take responsibility for that (Blair, Bush and most of country in ONZ). Litlle lesson of History maybe can help them to admit that they made mistake and they regret it? Because if you left that kind persons who have problem with logic thinking for themselves they will convince other peapole by fear and prejudice to they iracional and stupid idea and we can have familiar situation like in 1934 in Germany and all we know how this was end right? " Try using spell check next time. Oh and Corbyn is a Brexiter, always has been since the 1970's. | |||
" Try using spell check next time. Oh and Corbyn is a Brexiter, always has been since the 1970's. " I didn't say he wasn't, he is but from different reasons and he have not bad plan about it. In my comment I want to show how right wing politician manipulated and lied to society. I respect that you have different opinion about Brexit it's your right but please use real and logic arguments not lies like Mr farage. Forgive me my poor spell skills I have nothing to my defence. | |||
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" Try using spell check next time. Oh and Corbyn is a Brexiter, always has been since the 1970's. I didn't say he wasn't, he is but from different reasons and he have not bad plan about it. In my comment I want to show how right wing politician manipulated and lied to society. I respect that you have different opinion about Brexit it's your right but please use real and logic arguments not lies like Mr farage. Forgive me my poor spell skills I have nothing to my defence. " Don’t worry about your spelling etc. It’s perfectly understandable. I’m thinking English isn’t your first language. It would be an interesting exercise to see if those who mock could argue a Brexit stance in a foreign languge without resorting to google translate. | |||
"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss" Brexiteers spend too much time searching thier wheelie bins for things they have lost to be worth talking to. | |||
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"I’d actively choose not to meet anyone who even mentioned brexit before meeting regardless off their stance on it!!! Imagine the sex" Absolutely
“ Your wife looks amazing , I can’t wait to fuck her , but hang on , did you vote to stay or leave in the brexit vote “
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"I’d actively choose not to meet anyone who even mentioned brexit before meeting regardless off their stance on it!!! Imagine the sex" | |||
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"I'm a Brexit man for sure ... Wants the waves have settled and the water is carm the positive of Brexit will far out way any so called negatives. If we had an entrapaneur /businesman lije trump leading the whole Brexit it would all have been sorted by now .. " *calm* | |||
"I'm a Brexit man for sure ... Wants the waves have settled and the water is carm the positive of Brexit will far out way any so called negatives. If we had an entrapaneur /businesman lije trump leading the whole Brexit it would all have been sorted by now .. *calm*" *like * | |||
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"I'm a Brexit man for sure ... Wants the waves have settled and the water is carm the positive of Brexit will far out way any so called negatives. If we had an entrapaneur /businesman lije trump leading the whole Brexit it would all have been sorted by now .. " And grabbing women by the Pussy will be declared legal act of kindness | |||
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"Most people vote based on what they have read in the newspapers and very few people ever use critical thinking about what they are reading. I very rarely read anything in the mainstream news and I voted Brexit based on economics and there's tons of economic history to learn from. Not everyone who voted for Brexit voted because they thought the NHS was going to get more money. (I didn't even know that was advertised on a bus or even part of the campaign) and not everyone who voted to leave is racist even if the BBC keeps saying they are. My main reason for voting leave was because the person who was put in charge of signing off the accounts refused to and had to become a whistleblower because she was put under a lot of pressure by the corrupt unelected undemocratic people in Brussels and anyone who knows anything about economics knows the Euro will collapse. I wouldn't really care what someone voted as long as the could explain a reason that they thought was credible. " Well done! Very interesting, tell everyone based on your research into tons of economic history that how Brexit is going to be good for them economically | |||
"Most people vote based on what they have read in the newspapers and very few people ever use critical thinking about what they are reading. I very rarely read anything in the mainstream news and I voted Brexit based on economics and there's tons of economic history to learn from. Not everyone who voted for Brexit voted because they thought the NHS was going to get more money. (I didn't even know that was advertised on a bus or even part of the campaign) and not everyone who voted to leave is racist even if the BBC keeps saying they are. My main reason for voting leave was because the person who was put in charge of signing off the accounts refused to and had to become a whistleblower because she was put under a lot of pressure by the corrupt unelected undemocratic people in Brussels and anyone who knows anything about economics knows the Euro will collapse. I wouldn't really care what someone voted as long as the could explain a reason that they thought was credible. Well done! Very interesting, tell everyone based on your research into tons of economic history that how Brexit is going to be good for them economically " 1) Because we will be governed by people elected in this country. 2) we are the second highest contributor and we will end up with more money staying in the country in the long term. 3) the money we get back from Europe has to be spent the way they tell us to spend it so our politicians can say they have to spend money the way Europe tells them to. 4) We will make our own laws rather than having laws imposed by people who are not elected. 5) we will b able to trade with other countries with out being tied into noncompetitive protectionist policies that favour European farmers and keep food prices high. 6) 5000 of monetary history shows no fiat currenct ha ever lated long term and theres a new monetary system every 37 years on average. 7) the european system has one currency but individual bonds which the europeans were told it wouldn't work when it was set up but over time people who set up the euro system left and now they are starting to talk about euro bonds which shows how incompetent politicians are at economics. 8) we could set up a points base immigration system which is the best and fairest for everyone. 9) crime rates would be less because there are a huge number or immigrants in prisons which cost the tax payer money. 10) the banking system in europe is only being propped up by the central banks printing money. 11) Italian banks are very risky and so are the french banks. Greece still has not been sorted out. Ireland is in a mess and the people there are starting to go on marches because of water prices and fraud committed by their government. 12) the European accounts have never been signed off because there are no proper systems in place to stop fraud. centralised power ever works for the citizens because power corrupts. 13) Europe was in theory (not fact) set up to stop European countries going to war with one another but the world has changed and everything is soo interconnected and much more complex that it is extremely unlikely a war would happen because no one could predict the out come and the winners and losers. what are the reasons for staying in? | |||
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"Most people vote based on what they have read in the newspapers and very few people ever use critical thinking about what they are reading. I very rarely read anything in the mainstream news and I voted Brexit based on economics and there's tons of economic history to learn from. Not everyone who voted for Brexit voted because they thought the NHS was going to get more money. (I didn't even know that was advertised on a bus or even part of the campaign) and not everyone who voted to leave is racist even if the BBC keeps saying they are. My main reason for voting leave was because the person who was put in charge of signing off the accounts refused to and had to become a whistleblower because she was put under a lot of pressure by the corrupt unelected undemocratic people in Brussels and anyone who knows anything about economics knows the Euro will collapse. I wouldn't really care what someone voted as long as the could explain a reason that they thought was credible. Well done! Very interesting, tell everyone based on your research into tons of economic history that how Brexit is going to be good for them economically 1) Because we will be governed by people elected in this country. 2) we are the second highest contributor and we will end up with more money staying in the country in the long term. 3) the money we get back from Europe has to be spent the way they tell us to spend it so our politicians can say they have to spend money the way Europe tells them to. 4) We will make our own laws rather than having laws imposed by people who are not elected. 5) we will b able to trade with other countries with out being tied into noncompetitive protectionist policies that favour European farmers and keep food prices high. 6) 5000 of monetary history shows no fiat currenct ha ever lated long term and theres a new monetary system every 37 years on average. 7) the european system has one currency but individual bonds which the europeans were told it wouldn't work when it was set up but over time people who set up the euro system left and now they are starting to talk about euro bonds which shows how incompetent politicians are at economics. 8) we could set up a points base immigration system which is the best and fairest for everyone. 9) crime rates would be less because there are a huge number or immigrants in prisons which cost the tax payer money. 10) the banking system in europe is only being propped up by the central banks printing money. 11) Italian banks are very risky and so are the french banks. Greece still has not been sorted out. Ireland is in a mess and the people there are starting to go on marches because of water prices and fraud committed by their government. 12) the European accounts have never been signed off because there are no proper systems in place to stop fraud. centralised power ever works for the citizens because power corrupts. 13) Europe was in theory (not fact) set up to stop European countries going to war with one another but the world has changed and everything is soo interconnected and much more complex that it is extremely unlikely a war would happen because no one could predict the out come and the winners and losers. what are the reasons for staying in? " Well said , and great job of explaining why it’s better to leave . I’d love to see such a reasoned response on why we should stay , but since we voted not to , it would be completely futile anyway | |||
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"There are certain political views that I would end things on. All of them heavily linked with the Brexit camp. But everyone makes mistakes! I'd like to think I could get past that if they were special and still a nice, decent person. Some of my friends voted for it. And aside from me shouting the odd obscenity at them, nothing has really changed. The dickheads. " I’m not sure why you shouting obscenities at them should make them dickheads  | |||
" I’m not sure why you shouting obscenities at them should make them dickheads "Epic. Great response there. I mean it doesn't work as a logical progression and willfully 'strawmans' the facts as presented, but hey, isn't that just typical Brexit? x | |||
" Ireland is in a mess and the people there are starting to go on marches because of water prices and fraud committed by their government. " You have been misinformed about Ireland buddy the water marches where about paying for water on top of paying for water via our taxation. Ireland is also not in a mess yes the financial crash hurt us but we have turned around and now have near full employment (2% unemployment) so don't try and use us as a reason for brexit | |||
"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss Remainer here and it depends on their reasoning I guess. I know I would not get on with anybody who is on the far right so yes, it might make a difference." | |||
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"I have no issues with peoples views either way on Brexit. However if its ignorant right wingers with their immigration and foreigners are to blame for everything, they can go fuck themselves. Literally and Figuratively So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss Remainer here and it depends on their reasoning I guess. I know I would not get on with anybody who is on the far right so yes, it might make a difference. "Out of curiosity, are you part of the 45 or 55%. | |||
"So many men on here stating they wouldn't meet for this that or the other, then in same day are commenting on the "why single men don't get meets" Imo ( Mr ) there's no place for politics or religion in what we do.... If we arrange to meet someone, it's because we have a connection, sexual attraction and have some sort if previous chat to fall back on.." I agree. However I read the op as saying "if it came out that they voted leave". Similarly "if it came out that they were atheist". In either case it would have to have been them that brought the issue up, not me. I'm the same as you. I don't bring it into my play. Heck, I don't even mention this stuff on a first date. If they brought either of these things up I *may* get put off. As I said earlier. It all depends on their approach to it though. I've met a few swingers who, pre play, have decided it's wise to mock religion with me and pin their flag to the atheist mast. Why the heck they feel this relates in any way I don't know. I haven't yet been put off someone for doing this. I just brush it off and change the subject. But if they were too arrogant about it (as some can be on the forums) I could easily see myself going floppy pretty quick. It wouldn't be because I've got a particular problem with the atheist arguments against a god (apart from being bored silly by them). It would just be because they killed the buzz | |||
"Out of curiosity, are you part of the 45 or 55%. " Historical revisionism at its best It was 48.1 to 51.9. Or a better way of remembering it is if 635,000 had voted differently it would have gone the other way. That's how decisive the mandate of the British public was. | |||
"So as a committed remainer, not sure I would click with anyone who voted Brexit.. discuss" My fella is a brexiteer, and during a session back in February I said to him "Come on Brexit boy, fuck me like you fucked the country" Difficult to fuck while you're laughing that hard. | |||
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" I’m not sure why you shouting obscenities at them should make them dickheads
Epic.
Great response there.
I mean it doesn't work as a logical progression and willfully 'strawmans' the facts as presented, but hey, isn't that just typical Brexit?
x "It certainly is , I got some help in putting it together by reading today’s Sun , while watching Top Gear on Amazon Prime . | |||
" I’m not sure why you shouting obscenities at them should make them dickheads
Epic.
Great response there.
I mean it doesn't work as a logical progression and willfully 'strawmans' the facts as presented, but hey, isn't that just typical Brexit?
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It certainly is , I got some help in putting it together by reading today’s Sun , while watching Top Gear on Amazon Prime .
"Was that with or without Elgar's Land of Hope and Glory pumping out in the background? | |||
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"Out of curiosity, are you part of the 45 or 55%. Historical revisionism at its best It was 48.1 to 51.9. Or a better way of remembering it is if 635,000 had voted differently it would have gone the other way. That's how decisive the mandate of the British public was. "I was referring to Scotland referendum vote tbh. Spotted they were from Glasgow | |||
"1) Because we will be governed by people elected in this country." The same old chestnut!!! If we weren't governed by people elected in this country, we wouldn't have elections regularly *in this country*! It's *because* of the fact that *we are governed by people elected in this country* that the whole country is going to shit! " 2) we are the second highest contributor and we will end up with more money staying in the country in the long term." " 3) the money we get back from Europe has to be spent the way they tell us to spend it so our politicians can say they have to spend money the way Europe tells them to." That old chestnut, part 2!!! When was the last time you checked the amount of subsidies our various industries get from the EU? For example, the farming industry alone get a total of 3BN a year. Do you really think OUR government will be giving them that kind of money after brexit? In fact, the government minister for this industry said that they will only guarantee this subsidy until (I think) 2023 BUT they'll change the rules about who's eligible to receive it (thus reducing the amount of money they have to pay out). If you add up ALL the amounts/industries, as well as the funding for various projects, research, education, etc (assuming our government will replace those funds) how sure are you that we'll be saving money? I'll answer for you: our government WILL NOT replace the funding resulting to the decline of everything that loses out on that money. I could go on rebutting the rest of your points but (and I mean no disrespect) I cannot be bothered because it's a waste of time trying to reason with anyone who has made up his/her mind about something first and then regurgitates chestnuts from all over in order to justify it (and, unfortunately, that's the case with many people who voted brexit because they fell for the rhetoric "we/our government is perfect. EU is the cause of all our ills". Fine, if you're a politician but for the average citizen to think like that is self-destructive). However, I will briefly comment on points 9 and 13 because I think it's important. " 9) crime rates would be less because there are a huge number or immigrants in prisons which cost the tax payer money." What "huge" number is that? Do you have percentages? In addition, if all them huge numbers of immigrants are already in prison, who is out and commits all them crimes, thus keeping the crime rate high? Surely it'd have fallen. " 13) Europe was in theory (not fact) set up to stop European countries going to war with one another but the world has changed and everything is soo interconnected and much more complex that it is extremely unlikely a war would happen because no one could predict the out come and the winners and losers. " If that was the case, neither us nor any other country would be spending BILLIONS on military and defence, especially while still a member of the EU. ------------ To answer the OP's question, I ALWAYS ask/discuss certain "sensitive" subjects when I meet up with someone for a social. Sex and all that is good but I'd rather not let anyone who is, for example, racist and/or prejudiced and/or extremist in any way, etc etc touch me. Or generally a tool. And, to me, my principles are way more important than getting some cock on a particular day/from a particular person. | |||
"I wish there was an emoji for "pulling my hair out"! Ok, deep breaths and here we go: Blah blah blah. Fact blah. Expert opinion blah. Another fact blah. Concensus of all the experts blah. Blah blah blah" Just thought I'd translate your post into language brexiteers would understand (you do realise it is a waste of time right?) | |||
"I wish there was an emoji for "pulling my hair out"! Ok, deep breaths and here we go: Blah blah blah. Fact blah. Expert opinion blah. Another fact blah. Concensus of all the experts blah. Blah blah blah Just thought I'd translate your post into language brexiteers would understand (you do realise it is a waste of time right?) "I do. I mentioned as much towards the middle of my reply when explaining why I wasn't gonna comment on all the points. But you're right  | |||
"I wish there was an emoji for "pulling my hair out"! Ok, deep breaths and here we go: 1) Because we will be governed by people elected in this country. The same old chestnut!!! If we weren't governed by people elected in this country, we wouldn't have elections regularly *in this country*! It's *because* of the fact that *we are governed by people elected in this country* that the whole country is going to shit! Most of the laws in this country are written in Europe even people who think Europe is a goo thing know this. This country has been fucked because of lobbyists for large corporations and banks more than it has by the government. Having a two party system is what has fucked the country as well because we have a first past the post system and because we are not allowed to vote on policies we have to vote for parties. Being in europe or out of europe won't change any of these things. 2) we are the second highest contributor and we will end up with more money staying in the country in the long term. 3) the money we get back from Europe has to be spent the way they tell us to spend it so our politicians can say they have to spend money the way Europe tells them to. That old chestnut, part 2!!! When was the last time you checked the amount of subsidies our various industries get from the EU? For example, the farming industry alone get a total of 3BN a year. Do you really think OUR government will be giving them that kind of money after brexit? You obviously don't understand that the Common Agricultural Policy is were the most fraud is committed in Europe. The UK receives less than half what France gets, despite a similar sized economy and population. Here is something from the internet that is worth knowing about the CAP: Farmers represent 3% of the EU’s population. They generate (together with the agri-food business) roughly 6% of the Union’s GDP. Yet they receive 30% of the EU’s total budget through CAP handouts. Europe’s taxpayers hand over €58 billion in subsidies to this tiny, unproductive minority. In times of economic hardship that just doesn’t make sense. If you add up ALL the amounts/industries, as well as the funding for various projects, research, education, etc (assuming our government will replace those funds) how sure are you that we'll be saving money? I'll answer for you: our government WILL NOT replace the funding resulting to the decline of everything that loses out on that money. You have just prooved wht I was saying. First we pay in more then we take out which means once we are out we will have more money. The money we get back from europe HAS to be spent the way they tell us to spend it and we do not elect the europeans who tell us how we can spend the money. I could go on rebutting the rest of your points but (and I mean no disrespect) I cannot be bothered because it's a waste of time trying to reason with anyone who has made up his/her mind about something first and then regurgitates chestnuts from all over in order to justify it (and, unfortunately, that's the case with many people who voted brexit because they fell for the rhetoric "we/our government is perfect. EU is the cause of all our ills". Fine, if you're a politician but for the average citizen to think like that is self-destructive). I don't think I said any of the above and it doesn't address any of the points I did say. However, I will briefly comment on points 9 and 13 because I think it's important. 9) crime rates would be less because there are a huge number or immigrants in prisons which cost the tax payer money. What "huge" number is that? Do you have percentages? In addition, if all them huge numbers of immigrants are already in prison, who is out and commits all them crimes, thus keeping the crime rate high? Surely it'd have fallen. this is from the indepentant news paper: A spokesperson for the Home Office said: “We have removed more than 41,000 foreign offenders since 2010. In 2016-17 we removed 6,346 foreign offenders, the highest number of removals ever and this week, like every week, more than 100 foreign criminals will be removed from the UK. There are also nearly 500 people who have gone missing after the have served there sentence. Freedom of Information request by the Press Association shows that 494 foreign national offenders disappeared while they were subject to deportation action between 2014 and the end of March 2016. The fairest way to deal with immigration is to have strong borders and a points based immigration system. 13) Europe was in theory (not fact) set up to stop European countries going to war with one another but the world has changed and everything is soo interconnected and much more complex that it is extremely unlikely a war would happen because no one could predict the out come and the winners and losers. If that was the case, neither us nor any other country would be spending BILLIONS on military and defence, especially while still a member of the EU. The UK arms industry is the second biggest arms exporter in the world and we have about 9% share of the global market. We export a large proportion of that to Europe, north america and the middle east. Politicians own shares in arms industries which is why we spend millions on weapons but can't fund the NHS or other areas. One of the lies people were told was that Europe isn't trying to build a European army but after the brexit vote they admitted they were creating a European army. War is about making money being in europe or out won't change that. ------------ To answer the OP's question, I ALWAYS ask/discuss certain "sensitive" subjects when I meet up with someone for a social. Sex and all that is good but I'd rather not let anyone who is, for example, racist and/or prejudiced and/or extremist in any way, etc etc touch me. Or generally a tool. And, to me, my principles are way more important than getting some cock on a particular day/from a particular person. " | |||
"Most people vote based on what they have read in the newspapers and very few people ever use critical thinking about what they are reading. I very rarely read anything in the mainstream news and I voted Brexit based on economics and there's tons of economic history to learn from. Not everyone who voted for Brexit voted because they thought the NHS was going to get more money. (I didn't even know that was advertised on a bus or even part of the campaign) and not everyone who voted to leave is racist even if the BBC keeps saying they are. My main reason for voting leave was because the person who was put in charge of signing off the accounts refused to and had to become a whistleblower because she was put under a lot of pressure by the corrupt unelected undemocratic people in Brussels and anyone who knows anything about economics knows the Euro will collapse. I wouldn't really care what someone voted as long as the could explain a reason that they thought was credible. Well done! Very interesting, tell everyone based on your research into tons of economic history that how Brexit is going to be good for them economically 1) Because we will be governed by people elected in this country. 2) we are the second highest contributor and we will end up with more money staying in the country in the long term. 3) the money we get back from Europe has to be spent the way they tell us to spend it so our politicians can say they have to spend money the way Europe tells them to. 4) We will make our own laws rather than having laws imposed by people who are not elected. 5) we will b able to trade with other countries with out being tied into noncompetitive protectionist policies that favour European farmers and keep food prices high. 6) 5000 of monetary history shows no fiat currenct ha ever lated long term and theres a new monetary system every 37 years on average. 7) the european system has one currency but individual bonds which the europeans were told it wouldn't work when it was set up but over time people who set up the euro system left and now they are starting to talk about euro bonds which shows how incompetent politicians are at economics. 8) we could set up a points base immigration system which is the best and fairest for everyone. 9) crime rates would be less because there are a huge number or immigrants in prisons which cost the tax payer money. 10) the banking system in europe is only being propped up by the central banks printing money. 11) Italian banks are very risky and so are the french banks. Greece still has not been sorted out. Ireland is in a mess and the people there are starting to go on marches because of water prices and fraud committed by their government. 12) the European accounts have never been signed off because there are no proper systems in place to stop fraud. centralised power ever works for the citizens because power corrupts. 13) Europe was in theory (not fact) set up to stop European countries going to war with one another but the world has changed and everything is soo interconnected and much more complex that it is extremely unlikely a war would happen because no one could predict the out come and the winners and losers. what are the reasons for staying in? Well said , and great job of explaining why it’s better to leave . I’d love to see such a reasoned response on why we should stay , but since we voted not to , it would be completely futile anyway "It's unlikely people will refute the points because they will need to do some research and use logic it's easier not to do research and use emotion to get points across. | |||
" It's unlikely people will refute the points because they will need to do some research and use logic it's easier not to do research and use emotion to get points across. " ... or just cannot be bothered anymore because no matter what we say, no matter how logical, no matter how accurate, when talking to a brexiteer all we get as a response is a continuous repeat of "exterminate! exterminate!". I wish my (and all remainers's) fears prove wrong, and we just have to eat humble pie and apologise after the fact. However, if (just for argument's sake) our concerns prove valid after the fact, an "ooops sorry!" from brexiteers will not be enough to reverse the actual real life damage not only for us but for them either. | |||
" It's unlikely people will refute the points because they will need to do some research and use logic it's easier not to do research and use emotion to get points across. Well said! ... or just cannot be bothered anymore because no matter what we say, no matter how logical, no matter how accurate, when talking to a brexiteer all we get as a response is a continuous repeat of "exterminate! exterminate!". I wish my (and all remainers's) fears prove wrong, and we just have to eat humble pie and apologise after the fact. However, if (just for argument's sake) our concerns prove valid after the fact, an "ooops sorry!" from brexiteers will not be enough to reverse the actual real life damage not only for us but for them either. " | |||
"I wish my (and all remainers's) fears prove wrong, and we just have to eat humble pie and apologise after the fact. However, if (just for argument's sake) our concerns prove valid after the fact, an "ooops sorry!" from brexiteers will not be enough to reverse the actual real life damage not only for us but for them either. " It's amusing. The subtext of this notion that, should parliament undo the wishes of "the people" (i.e the 52%) the country will descend into bloody riots and burn to the ground. However, if we leave and everything goes to pot, the 48% will act rationally and mild mannered and just shrug and say "oh well, worth a try, let's see what we can do to salvage things" The subtext is pretty clear about which side intelligence and reasoning is on and which side is dangerously animalistic and capable of supporting the rise of dark fascistic forces. I say us remainers should start sharpening our pitch forks and even the playing field a bit | |||
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