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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Today, in 1707, the sovereign parliaments of England and Scotland were abolished, and replaced by a new parliament and a nation state.
Today is the birthday of the United Kingdom.
Yet no-one seems to care.
Is the UK the only nation state in the world that ignores the anniversary of its creation?
Why do you think that is? |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Today, in 1707, the sovereign parliaments of England and Scotland were abolished, and replaced by a new parliament and a nation state.
Today is the birthday of the United Kingdom.
Yet no-one seems to care.
Is the UK the only nation state in the world that ignores the anniversary of its creation?
Why do you think that is?"
Because they don't want to give us another bank holiday? |
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over a year ago
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"Today, in 1707, the sovereign parliaments of England and Scotland were abolished, and replaced by a new parliament and a nation state.
Today is the birthday of the United Kingdom.
Yet no-one seems to care.
Is the UK the only nation state in the world that ignores the anniversary of its creation?
Why do you think that is?
Because they don't want to give us another bank holiday?"
Must be this  |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
I think the moment to make it a national day was back in the 18th century.
But it was such a sordid business that I suspect all those who gained from it probably thought it best to let sleeping dogs lie.
Still, no reason today why it couldn't be marked somehow.
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
I recall Farage, on the morning of the Brexit result, declaring June 29 "independence day".
Perhaps the reason we don't mark it is precisely that - the 1707 Act didn't symbolise any new-found independence or overthrow of a rotten regime.
i read somewhere that the UK is pretty unique in that respect - the establishment has always evolved to survive and never been toppled.
Unlike most of other powers, which have rewritten the rule-book at some point in their history.
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"Today, in 1707, the sovereign parliaments of England and Scotland were abolished, and replaced by a new parliament and a nation state.
Today is the birthday of the United Kingdom.
Yet no-one seems to care.
Is the UK the only nation state in the world that ignores the anniversary of its creation?
Why do you think that is?"
Because today is not the anniversary!
The UK also includes Northern Ireland! The DUP would be horrified if they read this thread! And the Union with Northern Ireland, to create the UK happened on 1st January 1801. And the 1st January is already a Public Holiday.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yoons day has a nice ring to it. 
If a Scot Nat was calling you a yoon that would be the biggest insult he could give you. "
I've only ever seen one person use it but then i am as far from Scotland as you can get before having to swim.
I think yoons should claim that word back.In the same way African Americans claimed the n word back.
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Today, in 1707, the sovereign parliaments of England and Scotland were abolished, and replaced by a new parliament and a nation state.
Today is the birthday of the United Kingdom.
Yet no-one seems to care.
Is the UK the only nation state in the world that ignores the anniversary of its creation?
Why do you think that is?
Because today is not the anniversary!
The UK also includes Northern Ireland! The DUP would be horrified if they read this thread! And the Union with Northern Ireland, to create the UK happened on 1st January 1801. And the 1st January is already a Public Holiday.
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From the Act of Union, ratifying and approving the Treaty of Union of the two kingdoms of Scotland and England:
"That the Two Kingdoms of Scotland and England shall upon the first day of May next ensuing the date hereof and forever after be United into One Kingdom by the Name of Great Britain And that the Ensigns Armorial of the said United Kingdom be such as Her Majesty shall appoint and the Crosses of St Andrew and St George be conjoined in such manner as Her Majesty shall think fit and used in all Flags Banners Standards and Ensigns both at Sea and Land"
May 1 1707 is the birthday of the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
Ireland came along a little later.
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1st May 1707 IS NOT THE BIRTHDAY OF THE UK.
Stop posting nonsense. I have told you already that it is 1st January 1801.
The UK IS NOT just England, Scotland and Wales.
IT IS also Northern Ireland, and that treaty was 1st January 1801.
Today IS NOT THE BIRTHDAY OF THE UK.
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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On the other hand, you could argue that the UK of 1707 and 1801 no longer exist either, since the borders changed again in the 20th century.
It's a matter of interpretation rather than nonsense.
But one thing is for certain - the UK of any description did not exist prior to 1707. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"1st May 1707 IS NOT THE BIRTHDAY OF THE UK.
Stop posting nonsense. I have told you already that it is 1st January 1801.
The UK IS NOT just England, Scotland and Wales.
IT IS also Northern Ireland, and that treaty was 1st January 1801.
Today IS NOT THE BIRTHDAY OF THE UK.
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No no no no!
In 1801 we were the united kingdom of great Britain and Ireland.
In 1922 we became the United kingdom of great Britain and Northern Ireland. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Today, in 1707, the sovereign parliaments of England and Scotland were abolished, and replaced by a new parliament and a nation state.
Today is the birthday of the United Kingdom.
Yet no-one seems to care.
Is the UK the only nation state in the world that ignores the anniversary of its creation?
Why do you think that is?"
Simple !
Most people in the UK regard themselves as Scots , Welsh , English or Northern Irish ( or Irish ) . |
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"Today, in 1707, the sovereign parliaments of England and Scotland were abolished, and replaced by a new parliament and a nation state.
Today is the birthday of the United Kingdom.
Yet no-one seems to care.
Is the UK the only nation state in the world that ignores the anniversary of its creation?
Why do you think that is? Simple !
Most people in the UK regard themselves as Scots , Welsh , English or Northern Irish ( or Irish ) ."
Or European..
Or even just a human fortunate enough to have been born here.. |
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"I recall Farage, on the morning of the Brexit result, declaring June 29 "independence day".
Perhaps the reason we don't mark it is precisely that - the 1707 Act didn't symbolise any new-found independence or overthrow of a rotten regime.
i read somewhere that the UK is pretty unique in that respect - the establishment has always evolved to survive and never been toppled.
Unlike most of other powers, which have rewritten the rule-book at some point in their history.
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Was June 24th. 
A great day in our history which I will now be celebrating every year. |
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"1st May 1707 IS NOT THE BIRTHDAY OF THE UK.
Stop posting nonsense. I have told you already that it is 1st January 1801.
The UK IS NOT just England, Scotland and Wales.
IT IS also Northern Ireland, and that treaty was 1st January 1801.
Today IS NOT THE BIRTHDAY OF THE UK.
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Actually The United Kingdon, as we know it now, is not a union of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland but, as it full name suggests (the United Kingdon of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) a union of the Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Great Britain is it's self a United Kingdon made up of the Union of the kingdom of 'England and Wales' and the Kingdom of Scotland.
It is correct to say that 1st May is the Birthday of the United Kingdon of Great Britain. It would also be correct to say that 1st Jan would be the birthday of the United Kingdon of Great Britain and Ireland. However, whilst the United Kingdon of Great Britain still exists the United Kingdon of Great Britain and Ireland no longer exists. Maybe someone can tell us the date of the creation of the United Kingdon of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but, what ever that date is, it wasn't the 1st Jan 1801.
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"1st May 1707 IS NOT THE BIRTHDAY OF THE UK.
Stop posting nonsense. I have told you already that it is 1st January 1801.
The UK IS NOT just England, Scotland and Wales.
IT IS also Northern Ireland, and that treaty was 1st January 1801.
Today IS NOT THE BIRTHDAY OF THE UK.
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What BolloX!
N Ireland did not come into being until 1922. |
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"Today, in 1707, the sovereign parliaments of England and Scotland were abolished, and replaced by a new parliament and a nation state.
Today is the birthday of the United Kingdom.
Yet no-one seems to care.
Is the UK the only nation state in the world that ignores the anniversary of its creation?
Why do you think that is?"
Nationalism. Who ever said im a United Kingdomer? |
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It's all a bit irrelevant really as, after the disaster, that BREXIT is almost certainly going to be for the UK, being inflicted on the Scots and Irish by the English and Welsh, I can't see the UK, as currently formed, surviving.
That's not to say it's going to disappear any time soon but, overtime, the long term effects of BRRXIT and the damage it will cause to both Scotland and Ireland will add to the ever increasing sense of grievance against the English that is already apparent in many in both Scotland and Ireland. Added to this the fact that both Scotland and N.Ireland actually voted to remain and you have a Scots and Irish Nationalists wet dream coming true. Even Nationalists that are also antiEU will argue that it should have been their choice and not one inflicted on them by the English.
There's more to running a successful Union than just winning a simple majority in a vote, especially when one member of the Union has a massive overall majority of the population. BREXIT could very well be the rock on which the UK ultimately founders. |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
I agree the UK has a bit more imploding left.
I find it difficult to predict though.
An interesting thing happened in Scotland after the EU result.
The top-line needle on Scottish independence didn’t really move but the demographics did.
The working class person who’d voted Yes in 2014 swung towards the union post-EU while the middle class person who voted No in 2014 swung towards independence post-EU.
Overall, it is pretty static.
Sturgeon needs to be hitting 60 in the polls before trying again.
The only way I can see that happening is if England, or the Tories, lurch to a far right stance that is anathema to most Scots. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Today, in 1707, the sovereign parliaments of England and Scotland were abolished, and replaced by a new parliament and a nation state.
Today is the birthday of the United Kingdom.
Yet no-one seems to care.
Is the UK the only nation state in the world that ignores the anniversary of its creation?
Why do you think that is?"
Did not know this amazing fact I doubt many of us do and I am pretty good on our history,we should have a bank holiday to celebrate,we have one so change the name of it I think |
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