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It's likely to be both, though individual local issues and candidates can influence things differently to national politics. As central government have made huge financial cuts to local government services, the Conservatives are unduly responsible for the lack of quality services in many areas, often to negatively affect non-conservative councils. It's a composite responsibility and problem |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"It's likely to be both, though individual local issues and candidates can influence things differently to national politics. As central government have made huge financial cuts to local government services, the Conservatives are unduly responsible for the lack of quality services in many areas, often to negatively affect non-conservative councils. It's a composite responsibility and problem "
I live in a Labour run council and despite £175m made available for pot holes the state of repair around here is shocking.
I find it souring too that Labour can get away with an immigration policy of 'working on the nuts and bolts of it' when they have had 7yrs to work on it.
If they want open door, quotas, targets then just say it, but don't just say nothing in the interest of 'fairness'. |
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"I only ever vote green we are on a dieing planet.No other party can or will prevent the death of our home. 
Neither will the Green Party as they will never get in to power! They will when your family start dieing. "
No they won't because their policies are ludicrous. |
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"I only ever vote green we are on a dieing planet.No other party can or will prevent the death of our home.
Neither will the Green Party as they will never get in to power! They will when your family start dieing.
No they won't because their policies are ludicrous."
They are visionary unless your
a Luddite that thinks climate change is a hoax ,which is the only ludicrous thing.The other parties are being obscene in their lack of reaction to the greatest threat to humanity and Civilisation.  |
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"I only ever vote green we are on a dieing planet.No other party can or will prevent the death of our home.
Neither will the Green Party as they will never get in to power! They will when your family start dieing.
No they won't because their policies are ludicrous.
They are visionary unless your
a Luddite that thinks climate change is a hoax ,which is the only ludicrous thing.The other parties are being obscene in their lack of reaction to the greatest threat to humanity and Civilisation. "
In what way are they visionary? They are very old hat actually. They are merely another extremely left wing party with ideas that would bankrupt the country.
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"I only ever vote green we are on a dieing planet.No other party can or will prevent the death of our home.
Neither will the Green Party as they will never get in to power! They will when your family start dieing.
No they won't because their policies are ludicrous.
They are visionary unless your
a Luddite that thinks climate change is a hoax ,which is the only ludicrous thing.The other parties are being obscene in their lack of reaction to the greatest threat to humanity and Civilisation.
In what way are they visionary? They are very old hat actually. They are merely another extremely left wing party with ideas that would bankrupt the country.
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Do me a favour by there isn't anything more old hat than the Tories and labour both banging the same drum for a century.Same old policies.They couldn't cobble together anything relevant for 21st century.Old Establishment political ideology unfit for the future.Both ignorant of the climate change apocalypse looming filling their pockets with money while the earth is destroyed forever..You people make me laugh.. Thank fuck ignorance isn't contagious |
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"I only ever vote green we are on a dieing planet.No other party can or will prevent the death of our home.
Neither will the Green Party as they will never get in to power! They will when your family start dieing.
No they won't because their policies are ludicrous.
They are visionary unless your
a Luddite that thinks climate change is a hoax ,which is the only ludicrous thing.The other parties are being obscene in their lack of reaction to the greatest threat to humanity and Civilisation.
In what way are they visionary? They are very old hat actually. They are merely another extremely left wing party with ideas that would bankrupt the country.
Do me a favour by there isn't anything more old hat than the Tories and labour both banging the same drum for a century.Same old policies.They couldn't cobble together anything relevant for 21st century.Old Establishment political ideology unfit for the future.Both ignorant of the climate change apocalypse looming filling their pockets with money while the earth is destroyed forever..You people make me laugh.. Thank fuck ignorance isn't contagious"
So tell me which of the Green Party's ideas you admire and why. |
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"I only ever vote green we are on a dieing planet.No other party can or will prevent the death of our home.
Neither will the Green Party as they will never get in to power! They will when your family start dieing.
No they won't because their policies are ludicrous.
They are visionary unless your
a Luddite that thinks climate change is a hoax ,which is the only ludicrous thing.The other parties are being obscene in their lack of reaction to the greatest threat to humanity and Civilisation.
In what way are they visionary? They are very old hat actually. They are merely another extremely left wing party with ideas that would bankrupt the country.
Do me a favour by there isn't anything more old hat than the Tories and labour both banging the same drum for a century.Same old policies.They couldn't cobble together anything relevant for 21st century.Old Establishment political ideology unfit for the future.Both ignorant of the climate change apocalypse looming filling their pockets with money while the earth is destroyed forever..You people make me laugh.. Thank fuck ignorance isn't contagious
So tell me which of the Green Party's ideas you admire and why."
Most of them.However their core values stand out.Here you go.
The Green Party is a party of social and environmental justice, which supports a radical transformation of society for the benefit of all, and for the planet as a whole. We understand that the threats to economic, social and environmental wellbeing are part of the same problem, and recognise that solving one of these crises cannot be achieved without solving the others.
Humankind depends on the diversity of the natural world for its existence. We do not believe that other species are expendable.
The Earth's physical resources are finite. We threaten our future if we try to live beyond those means, so we must build a sustainable society that guarantees our long-term future.
Every person, in this and future generations, should be entitled to basic material security as of right.
Our actions should take account of the well-being of other nations, other species, and future generations. We should not pursue our well-being to the detriment of theirs.
A healthy society is based on voluntary co-operation between empowered individuals in a democratic society, free from discrimination whether based on race, colour, gender, sexual orientation, religion, social origin or any other prejudice.
We emphasise democratic participation and accountability by ensuring that decisions are taken at the closest practical level to those affected by them.
We look for non-violent solutions to conflict situations, which take into account the interests of minorities and future generations in order to achieve lasting settlements.
The success of a society cannot be measured by narrow economic indicators, but should take account of factors affecting the quality of life for all people: personal freedom, social equity, health, happiness and human fulfilment.
Electoral politics is not the only way to achieve change in society, and we will use a variety of methods, including lifestyle changes, to help effect progress, providing those methods do not conflict with our other core principles. |
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When the country is bankrupt, we will be all cutting down the trees and burning them to keep warm!
And the problem is - the UK is insignificant. Our emissions etc is totally irrelevant in the world scheme. We are completely the wrong country to target. |
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"These are council elections, not UK elections. As such, they are a very valid party to vote for, to help protect where you stay.
A waste of a vote. Extreme loony left. Pointless."
Why not carry on voting for loony right councils which keep council tax low by providing the square root of damn all services..... |
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"These are council elections, not UK elections. As such, they are a very valid party to vote for, to help protect where you stay.
A waste of a vote. Extreme loony left. Pointless.
Why not carry on voting for loony right councils which keep council tax low by providing the square root of damn all services....."
There are no loony right parties or candidates. I think the EDL and the BNP have all folded. |
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"These are council elections, not UK elections. As such, they are a very valid party to vote for, to help protect where you stay.
A waste of a vote. Extreme loony left. Pointless."
I totally disagree.
Councils are about the here and now of where you live. They are about your roads, schools, green spaces, communities, not about foreign policies, world domination, Lords, ruling from London. They should not be voted for in party lines anyway. |
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Where I stay, there are plans to build thousands of new houses on greenbelt, risking ancient woodlands and far exceeding the local plan , by a council determined to ignore facts about flooding , pollution and destruction of ancient land.
The River Ichin is at risk, the flood plain will be severely compromised and Winchester will meet with Southampton. The council vote will hopefully be against the ruling Lib-dems, in favour of independents or Conservatives. That is nothing to do with party politics, more to do with a council not listening to its voters |
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By *urve Ball OP Woman
over a year ago
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Omg I literally chuckled to myself while out and about today.
My borough is Tory held but only by 1 seat. Imagine my surprise (and amusement combined with anger) when while driving around 4 different areas within the borough saw the following:
Lots of council workers cleaning the roads.
Lots of council workers trimming trees and tidying up green areas.
Lots of council workers picking up rubbish and recycling (even though it wasn't the regular bin collection day).
Roadworks every couple of miles.
Now, it didn't dawn on me at first because I was driving mostly around main roads and I thought it was possibly a coincidence. When I realised that it was almost everywhere, I became suspicious. My suspicions were confirmed when I went to vote and saw exactly the same situation around the polling station (which is literally in an extremelly quiet and fairly out of the way location).
If it was *any* other day, I'd have thought "Great and thank you very much". However, seeing as it is election day, my initial amusement turned to anger. I drive around all these areas almost daily. I have never seen so much council activity. I didn't even realise that there were that many people working for the council! To see this blatant attempt to fool the public that the Tories look after the borough and, in effect, shamelessly shopping for votes made me furious! I am now absolutely certain that I've done the right thing by voting for their opposition and, fingers crossed, they'll be out by the end of the day! I just hope that other people, who saw the same things I did today, don't fall for this last ditch attempt of manipulation by a council that clearly think we are stupid! |
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"It's likely to be both, though individual local issues and candidates can influence things differently to national politics. As central government have made huge financial cuts to local government services, the Conservatives are unduly responsible for the lack of quality services in many areas, often to negatively affect non-conservative councils. It's a composite responsibility and problem
I live in a Labour run council and despite £175m made available for pot holes the state of repair around here is shocking.
I find it souring too that Labour can get away with an immigration policy of 'working on the nuts and bolts of it' when they have had 7yrs to work on it.
If they want open door, quotas, targets then just say it, but don't just say nothing in the interest of 'fairness'."
You've probably got to wait for a general election to gain new national policies from the major parties. At this point it's unclear what state the UK economy etc is going to be left in, when the GE gets called: if I was in charge of the Conservatives, Labour etc, I'd probably do something similar. |
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"I only ever vote green we are on a dieing planet.No other party can or will prevent the death of our home.
Neither will the Green Party as they will never get in to power! "
I'd not say 'never' to that one: the Greens are potentially the right party to steer and influence the others - the highest priority concern for the world right now is global warming. As time progresses, it's likely that all parties will start to increase their attention and policies towards this. The Green party could also potentially work in alliance with others. |
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"I only ever vote green we are on a dieing planet.No other party can or will prevent the death of our home.
Neither will the Green Party as they will never get in to power!
I'd not say 'never' to that one: the Greens are potentially the right party to steer and influence the others - the highest priority concern for the world right now is global warming. As time progresses, it's likely that all parties will start to increase their attention and policies towards this. The Green party could also potentially work in alliance with others."
Look at their loony left and other ridiculous policies. Look at how much progress they have never made in the last few elections. They will never be in Government. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"I only ever vote green we are on a dieing planet.No other party can or will prevent the death of our home.
Neither will the Green Party as they will never get in to power! They will when your family start dieing.
No they won't because their policies are ludicrous.
They are visionary unless your
a Luddite that thinks climate change is a hoax ,which is the only ludicrous thing.The other parties are being obscene in their lack of reaction to the greatest threat to humanity and Civilisation.
In what way are they visionary? They are very old hat actually. They are merely another extremely left wing party with ideas that would bankrupt the country.
Do me a favour by there isn't anything more old hat than the Tories and labour both banging the same drum for a century.Same old policies.They couldn't cobble together anything relevant for 21st century.Old Establishment political ideology unfit for the future.Both ignorant of the climate change apocalypse looming filling their pockets with money while the earth is destroyed forever..You people make me laugh.. Thank fuck ignorance isn't contagious"
Yes, otherwise we'd all be voting Green. |
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"These are council elections, not UK elections. As such, they are a very valid party to vote for, to help protect where you stay.
A waste of a vote. Extreme loony left. Pointless.
Why not carry on voting for loony right councils which keep council tax low by providing the square root of damn all services.....
There are no loony right parties or candidates. I think the EDL and the BNP have all folded. "
Have you listened to the Tories lately? The loony right are alive and well and embodied in Rees-Mogg supporting types. |
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"Old jc is not the great supported leader he thought he is.a big kick in the gonads ..."
I think we are past peak Corbyn now. The high point for labour was the general election last year. Labour went backwards last night. |
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"These are council elections, not UK elections. As such, they are a very valid party to vote for, to help protect where you stay.
A waste of a vote. Extreme loony left. Pointless.
Why not carry on voting for loony right councils which keep council tax low by providing the square root of damn all services.....
There are no loony right parties or candidates. I think the EDL and the BNP have all folded.
Have you listened to the Tories lately? The loony right are alive and well and embodied in Rees-Mogg supporting types."
As I said yesterday, the Greens never make any progress, and they haven't in yesterday's local elections either. |
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"Old jc is not the great supported leader he thought he is.a big kick in the gonads ...
I think we are past peak Corbyn now. The high point for labour was the general election last year. Labour went backwards last night. "
Even with the Conservatives at Westminster scoring so many home goals recently and practically gifting these local elections to the other parties, Labour still stalled.
The Russians and old people were blamed for the Brexit referendum result. I wonder who will be blamed for these results?
Have Momentum have lost their... um... momentum?
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They will blame Jewish people probably. Given that Labour have an anti-Semitism problem, and a love for Hamas, and given that JC went for dinner to some fringe Jewish group meeting, who don't like Israel, then it is bound to have put of many Jewish voters, the internal Labour report will say.
Diane Abbott will say that it was a great result, and that they gained an extra 20 Councillors, or 200, or 2000 or 2 million..... |
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"They will blame Jewish people probably. Given that Labour have an anti-Semitism problem, and a love for Hamas, and given that JC went for dinner to some fringe Jewish group meeting, who don't like Israel, then it is bound to have put of many Jewish voters, the internal Labour report will say.
Diane Abbott will say that it was a great result, and that they gained an extra 20 Councillors, or 200, or 2000 or 2 million....."
Labour certainly seems to be the party of choice for racists, with their blatant anti-semitism and more recently, their racist slurs against Sajid Javid. No wonder Ukip are on the down-swing - it seems people want more hard core racism, and Labour are providing the ideal platform. Diane Abbot has already made a statement claiming that Labour have gained an extra eleventy twelveteen supporters. |
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And all the moderate Labour MPs who won elections and have experience in Cabinet of Government, are on the back benches and are silenced and/or being de-selected.
All the hard-core loony left with no Cabinet experience, who did their best to lose Labour elections and who used to be silenced and on the back benches, when Labour were in power, are all now on the front bench, in the Shadow Cabinet.
And as you say - the racist terms in which Sajid Javid was described, were right out of the 1970s National Front handbook. |
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"And all the moderate Labour MPs who won elections and have experience in Cabinet of Government, are on the back benches and are silenced and/or being de-selected.
All the hard-core loony left with no Cabinet experience, who did their best to lose Labour elections and who used to be silenced and on the back benches, when Labour were in power, are all now on the front bench, in the Shadow Cabinet.
And as you say - the racist terms in which Sajid Javid was described, were right out of the 1970s National Front handbook."
Perhaps Labour should change their name to NewUkip
My step-father is from Jewish stock, although he never goes to temple. Even he's a bit alarmed by the antisemitism going on amongst Labour these days. It seems to be spreading as well. On a post on here the other day, a Labour supporter called antisemitism "irrelevant shit".
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"These are council elections, not UK elections. As such, they are a very valid party to vote for, to help protect where you stay.
A waste of a vote. Extreme loony left. Pointless.
Why not carry on voting for loony right councils which keep council tax low by providing the square root of damn all services.....
There are no loony right parties or candidates. I think the EDL and the BNP have all folded.
Have you listened to the Tories lately? The loony right are alive and well and embodied in Rees-Mogg supporting types.
As I said yesterday, the Greens never make any progress, and they haven't in yesterday's local elections either."
I never knew there were so many Status Quo fans on the forums. Unless people start to vote with their hearts and conscience and think about the LONG TERM future (difficult concept for Torys, I know) then we are doomed to repeat ourselves with an alarming regularity. Have you prepared the speech your going to give your grandkids when they ask why they dont have drinking water on tap like we did? |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"These are council elections, not UK elections. As such, they are a very valid party to vote for, to help protect where you stay.
A waste of a vote. Extreme loony left. Pointless.
Why not carry on voting for loony right councils which keep council tax low by providing the square root of damn all services.....
There are no loony right parties or candidates. I think the EDL and the BNP have all folded.
Have you listened to the Tories lately? The loony right are alive and well and embodied in Rees-Mogg supporting types.
As I said yesterday, the Greens never make any progress, and they haven't in yesterday's local elections either.
I never knew there were so many Status Quo fans on the forums. Unless people start to vote with their hearts and conscience and think about the LONG TERM future (difficult concept for Torys, I know) then we are doomed to repeat ourselves with an alarming regularity. Have you prepared the speech your going to give your grandkids when they ask why they dont have drinking water on tap like we did? "
I think people were voting for the long term... We're still paying for the last time Labour were in and left nothing in the bank.....and they weren't even the far left, terrorist loving, anti-semitic, racist, "we'll give everyone everything", Labour Party of today. |
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"These are council elections, not UK elections. As such, they are a very valid party to vote for, to help protect where you stay.
A waste of a vote. Extreme loony left. Pointless.
Why not carry on voting for loony right councils which keep council tax low by providing the square root of damn all services.....
There are no loony right parties or candidates. I think the EDL and the BNP have all folded.
Have you listened to the Tories lately? The loony right are alive and well and embodied in Rees-Mogg supporting types.
As I said yesterday, the Greens never make any progress, and they haven't in yesterday's local elections either.
I never knew there were so many Status Quo fans on the forums. Unless people start to vote with their hearts and conscience and think about the LONG TERM future (difficult concept for Torys, I know) then we are doomed to repeat ourselves with an alarming regularity. Have you prepared the speech your going to give your grandkids when they ask why they dont have drinking water on tap like we did? "
You seem to be mistaken, as it was under the last Labour government when patients couldn't get a drink of tap water in hospitals and resorted to drinking dirty water from flower vases. |
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over a year ago
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Only the real party faithful vote in local elections so Im not sure how easily you can extrapolate to Westminister elections which have about double the turnout. Having said that Im not sure Labour will ever win another election unless they can ditch Corbyn and his ilk and roll back the SNP in Scotland. |
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"These are council elections, not UK elections. As such, they are a very valid party to vote for, to help protect where you stay.
A waste of a vote. Extreme loony left. Pointless."
The only thing that is loony are your stupid right wing views which are not fit for purpose. |
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"These are council elections, not UK elections. As such, they are a very valid party to vote for, to help protect where you stay.
A waste of a vote. Extreme loony left. Pointless.
Why not carry on voting for loony right councils which keep council tax low by providing the square root of damn all services.....
There are no loony right parties or candidates. I think the EDL and the BNP have all folded.
Have you listened to the Tories lately? The loony right are alive and well and embodied in Rees-Mogg supporting types.
As I said yesterday, the Greens never make any progress, and they haven't in yesterday's local elections either.
I never knew there were so many Status Quo fans on the forums. Unless people start to vote with their hearts and conscience and think about the LONG TERM future (difficult concept for Torys, I know) then we are doomed to repeat ourselves with an alarming regularity. Have you prepared the speech your going to give your grandkids when they ask why they dont have drinking water on tap like we did? "
Climate change deniers and those on the right are one and the same.Its difficult dealing with such willfull ignorance of science and reaon.Like many they think short term and care not what world their grandchildren will inherit.T hey harp on about immigrants and fail to realise climate change is a major influence on the movement of people.
Below is the very prophetic saying of a native American regards to western mind.
When the last tree is cut, the last fish is caught, and the last river is polluted; when to breathe the air is sickening, you will realize, too late, that wealth is not in bank accounts and that you can’t eat money. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Old jc is not the great supported leader he thought he is.a big kick in the gonads ...
I think we are past peak Corbyn now. The high point for labour was the general election last year. Labour went backwards last night. "
as per normal centy tells people a load of "wrong"...
bbc/maori and sky news did a general election projection based in last nights results.... conservatives would have 290 seats, labour 270, lib dems 25 , snp 35 and 23 "others"
the conservatives would be the largest party... but your pm would likely be jeremy corbyn running a labour minority administration.... |
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"Old jc is not the great supported leader he thought he is.a big kick in the gonads ...
I think we are past peak Corbyn now. The high point for labour was the general election last year. Labour went backwards last night.
as per normal centy tells people a load of "wrong"...
bbc/maori and sky news did a general election projection based in last nights results.... conservatives would have 290 seats, labour 270, lib dems 25 , snp 35 and 23 "others"
the conservatives would be the largest party... but your pm would likely be jeremy corbyn running a labour minority administration...."
Lol, you're making an awful lot of assumptions there Fabio, you assume Labour would work with the SNP, when Corbyn was very explicit before the last general election he wouldn't do any kind of deal with the SNP, Miliband said the same in 2015. I also notice you didn't list the 'others' on 23, at least 10 of those would be DUP and would most likely give the tories 10 extra seats as they have now.
Truth is Labour expected big things from those local elections on Thursday when you had people like Sadiq Khan saying "we can turn the whole of London red" Lmao
He left the count he attended before the result was announced because he knew Labour had lost and he didn't want to answer any embarrassing questions. You also had Owen Jones on BBC Newsnight last night spinning and back peddling faster than Sir Chris Hoy in reverse, funny as fuck!
If anyone has told people a load of 'wrong' here its you. |
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"Old jc is not the great supported leader he thought he is.a big kick in the gonads ...
I think we are past peak Corbyn now. The high point for labour was the general election last year. Labour went backwards last night.
as per normal centy tells people a load of "wrong"...
bbc/maori and sky news did a general election projection based in last nights results.... conservatives would have 290 seats, labour 270, lib dems 25 , snp 35 and 23 "others"
the conservatives would be the largest party... but your pm would likely be jeremy corbyn running a labour minority administration...."
If the Conservatives have the largest number of seats it is difficult to see why they would not be power. The next election is a long way away and opinion polls appear to suggest that voters are more than happy with. Teressa May as PM. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Old jc is not the great supported leader he thought he is.a big kick in the gonads ...
I think we are past peak Corbyn now. The high point for labour was the general election last year. Labour went backwards last night.
as per normal centy tells people a load of "wrong"...
bbc/maori and sky news did a general election projection based in last nights results.... conservatives would have 290 seats, labour 270, lib dems 25 , snp 35 and 23 "others"
the conservatives would be the largest party... but your pm would likely be jeremy corbyn running a labour minority administration....
Lol, you're making an awful lot of assumptions there Fabio, you assume Labour would work with the SNP, when Corbyn was very explicit before the last general election he wouldn't do any kind of deal with the SNP, Miliband said the same in 2015. I also notice you didn't list the 'others' on 23, at least 10 of those would be DUP and would most likely give the tories 10 extra seats as they have now.
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290 conservatives plus 10 dup equals 300..... they would need 323 to get to a majority....
they "by rule" would get first shot at forming a government... by wouldn't have the mps to form one because other then the DUP who else is going to vote for another tory govt...
then labour would get its shot (270)... the SNP may not get an agreement out of labour, but they are not going to vote against if it means another tory government...., which would put them on 305, lib dems would likely do the same thing, they would get the support of PC in wales and caroline lucas of the greens....
so on a vote by vote basis it would absolutely be workable.... |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"Old jc is not the great supported leader he thought he is.a big kick in the gonads ...
I think we are past peak Corbyn now. The high point for labour was the general election last year. Labour went backwards last night.
as per normal centy tells people a load of "wrong"...
bbc/maori and sky news did a general election projection based in last nights results.... conservatives would have 290 seats, labour 270, lib dems 25 , snp 35 and 23 "others"
the conservatives would be the largest party... but your pm would likely be jeremy corbyn running a labour minority administration....
Lol, you're making an awful lot of assumptions there Fabio, you assume Labour would work with the SNP, when Corbyn was very explicit before the last general election he wouldn't do any kind of deal with the SNP, Miliband said the same in 2015. I also notice you didn't list the 'others' on 23, at least 10 of those would be DUP and would most likely give the tories 10 extra seats as they have now.
290 conservatives plus 10 dup equals 300..... they would need 323 to get to a majority....
they "by rule" would get first shot at forming a government... by wouldn't have the mps to form one because other then the DUP who else is going to vote for another tory govt...
then labour would get its shot (270)... the SNP may not get an agreement out of labour, but they are not going to vote against if it means another tory government...., which would put them on 305, lib dems would likely do the same thing, they would get the support of PC in wales and caroline lucas of the greens....
so on a vote by vote basis it would absolutely be workable...."
It would be funny to see how Labour justify giving the SNP a few billion to keep them sweet after the fuss they made about the DUP. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Old jc is not the great supported leader he thought he is.a big kick in the gonads ...
I think we are past peak Corbyn now. The high point for labour was the general election last year. Labour went backwards last night.
as per normal centy tells people a load of "wrong"...
bbc/maori and sky news did a general election projection based in last nights results.... conservatives would have 290 seats, labour 270, lib dems 25 , snp 35 and 23 "others"
the conservatives would be the largest party... but your pm would likely be jeremy corbyn running a labour minority administration....
Lol, you're making an awful lot of assumptions there Fabio, you assume Labour would work with the SNP, when Corbyn was very explicit before the last general election he wouldn't do any kind of deal with the SNP, Miliband said the same in 2015. I also notice you didn't list the 'others' on 23, at least 10 of those would be DUP and would most likely give the tories 10 extra seats as they have now.
290 conservatives plus 10 dup equals 300..... they would need 323 to get to a majority....
they "by rule" would get first shot at forming a government... by wouldn't have the mps to form one because other then the DUP who else is going to vote for another tory govt...
then labour would get its shot (270)... the SNP may not get an agreement out of labour, but they are not going to vote against if it means another tory government...., which would put them on 305, lib dems would likely do the same thing, they would get the support of PC in wales and caroline lucas of the greens....
so on a vote by vote basis it would absolutely be workable....
It would be funny to see how Labour justify giving the SNP a few billion to keep them sweet after the fuss they made about the DUP. "
Why, were they the ones who said there so no magic money tree? No, May said that, then picked the money from the magic tree when she needed it. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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It would be funny to see how Labour justify giving the SNP a few billion to keep them sweet after the fuss they made about the DUP. "
labour to their credit so far have never offered to snp anything....
what i am saying is snp wouldn't want to see a tory government as much as the dup wouldn't want to risk the chance of seeing corbyn in power....
the reason why people have a go at the torys about the dup deal is that there was no need for them to actually do it and the dup fleeced them.... and that they did the deal outside of the normal barnett formula process.... thus it really basically becoming a bribe |
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Luckily the next election is hopefully some way off and people have enough time to see sense and realise what the reality of a Corbyn led country would be. The Tories are also unlikely to shoot themselves in the foot again by pissing off their own supporters, as they did at the last election. And of course, it is always possible that Corbyn might not last till the next election anyway -he is past retirement age. |
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It's a fairly predictable result in many respects, as this was elections in a part of the UK, with voting for local councilors, about local services BUT
People do get influenced by national politics - if you believe the pollsters - when they vote for local people, who they may have known for much longer than national politicians.
The political field is very complex for many people right now, many don't understand, for example, how complex situations like the Northern Ireland/Ireland border should best be solved. The last general election results showed unpredictability and the government is very split on its Brexit position.
I think it's fair to assume that the local results were mainly that. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
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It would be funny to see how Labour justify giving the SNP a few billion to keep them sweet after the fuss they made about the DUP.
labour to their credit so far have never offered to snp anything....
what i am saying is snp wouldn't want to see a tory government as much as the dup wouldn't want to risk the chance of seeing corbyn in power....
the reason why people have a go at the torys about the dup deal is that there was no need for them to actually do it and the dup fleeced them.... and that they did the deal outside of the normal barnett formula process.... thus it really basically becoming a bribe"
The Tories never offered the DUP anything either before the election. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
Also; a lot is being made of Barnet (possibly because it has the highest Jewish population of any UK borough)....
A couple of points on this:
Labour have never won Barnet, ever.
They did, however increase their vote share in this election. |
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It would be funny to see how Labour justify giving the SNP a few billion to keep them sweet after the fuss they made about the DUP.
labour to their credit so far have never offered to snp anything....
what i am saying is snp wouldn't want to see a tory government as much as the dup wouldn't want to risk the chance of seeing corbyn in power....
the reason why people have a go at the torys about the dup deal is that there was no need for them to actually do it and the dup fleeced them.... and that they did the deal outside of the normal barnett formula process.... thus it really basically becoming a bribe"
A transaction which is fully transparent can hardly be considered to be bribe . The funding was to the residents of NI regardless of which party they supported . It is difficult to see how anyone can make a valid complaint about this . Would you prefer that the residents of Northern Ireland did not benefit from this funding? Any other party would have done exactly the same thing. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"These are council elections, not UK elections. As such, they are a very valid party to vote for, to help protect where you stay.
A waste of a vote. Extreme loony left. Pointless.
Why not carry on voting for loony right councils which keep council tax low by providing the square root of damn all services.....
There are no loony right parties or candidates. I think the EDL and the BNP have all folded.
Have you listened to the Tories lately? The loony right are alive and well and embodied in Rees-Mogg supporting types.
As I said yesterday, the Greens never make any progress, and they haven't in yesterday's local elections either.
I never knew there were so many Status Quo fans on the forums. Unless people start to vote with their hearts and conscience and think about the LONG TERM future (difficult concept for Torys, I know) then we are doomed to repeat ourselves with an alarming regularity. Have you prepared the speech your going to give your grandkids when they ask why they dont have drinking water on tap like we did? Climate change deniers and those on the right are one and the same.Its difficult dealing with such willfull ignorance of science and reaon.Like many they think short term and care not what world their grandchildren will inherit.T hey harp on about immigrants and fail to realise climate change is a major influence on the movement of people.
Below is the very prophetic saying of a native American regards to western mind.
When the last tree is cut, the last fish is caught, and the last river is polluted; when to breathe the air is sickening, you will realize, too late, that wealth is not in bank accounts and that you can’t eat money. "
Anyone read The Lorax? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
As an interesting note;
The LibDems gained 75 council seats and control of 4 councils.
They started from a poor position but things could have got worse, but didn't.
Still, in The context of the Tories losing seats and councils whilst Labour won 77 seats and no councils the emphasis of the discussion in this thread is interesting. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"As an interesting note;
The LibDems gained 75 council seats and control of 4 councils.
They started from a poor position but things could have got worse, but didn't.
Still, in The context of the Tories losing seats and councils whilst Labour won 77 seats and no councils the emphasis of the discussion in this thread is interesting."
Labour have more seats than all the other parties combined... There's another thing widely ignored.... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
" A transaction which is fully transparent can hardly be considered to be bribe . The funding was to the residents of NI regardless of which party they supported . It is difficult to see how anyone can make a valid complaint about this . Would you prefer that the residents of Northern Ireland did not benefit from this funding? Any other party would have done exactly the same thing. "
but it isn't as fully transparent as you claim for 2 reason...
1) the money isn't coming to northern ireland as part of the "budget bill" so actually is not being voted on (there is a legal challenge going on thru the courts to have to make them vote on it)
2) all spending in northern ireland comes from the block grant to it via the barnett formula..... except this!
i am not in anyway suggesting northern ireland should not get the money...but the difference is that if they get the extra money via the normal mechanism used.... it would also have meant extra money for scotland and extra money wales... and also extra money for english local councils
but they deliberately bypassed the normal convention....
so for all claims of there not being a "money tree"... teresa may definately shook it hard to help her party when they needed it.... |
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"These are council elections, not UK elections. As such, they are a very valid party to vote for, to help protect where you stay.
A waste of a vote. Extreme loony left. Pointless.
Why not carry on voting for loony right councils which keep council tax low by providing the square root of damn all services.....
There are no loony right parties or candidates. I think the EDL and the BNP have all folded.
Have you listened to the Tories lately? The loony right are alive and well and embodied in Rees-Mogg supporting types.
As I said yesterday, the Greens never make any progress, and they haven't in yesterday's local elections either.
I never knew there were so many Status Quo fans on the forums. Unless people start to vote with their hearts and conscience and think about the LONG TERM future (difficult concept for Torys, I know) then we are doomed to repeat ourselves with an alarming regularity. Have you prepared the speech your going to give your grandkids when they ask why they dont have drinking water on tap like we did? Climate change deniers and those on the right are one and the same.Its difficult dealing with such willfull ignorance of science and reaon.Like many they think short term and care not what world their grandchildren will inherit.T hey harp on about immigrants and fail to realise climate change is a major influence on the movement of people.
Below is the very prophetic saying of a native American regards to western mind.
When the last tree is cut, the last fish is caught, and the last river is polluted; when to breathe the air is sickening, you will realize, too late, that wealth is not in bank accounts and that you can’t eat money.
Anyone read The Lorax?"
Yes but my reading and comprehension level is above average. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"As an interesting note;
The LibDems gained 75 council seats and control of 4 councils.
They started from a poor position but things could have got worse, but didn't.
Still, in The context of the Tories losing seats and councils whilst Labour won 77 seats and no councils the emphasis of the discussion in this thread is interesting."
probably because of where the lib dems won their councils.... south west london, and they the losses down there were a blip that has been rectified.... the more interesting question is will they ever regain their strength in the south west... and in the outer leafy suburbs of northern cities....
at local level libdems actually tend to run their councils well, there are specific reasons as to why their vote is strong.. |
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High profile Labour party member Alistair Campbell has slammed Corbyn's leadership this weekend. He said, "The Labour party is a long way from where we need to be to win a general election". In a speech to centre left group Progress he said "Huge swathes of the country can't accept this Labour party in Number 10".
Corbyn may have bought himself some time with the general election results last year but after Thursdays disastrous local election results the knives are back out for him again from the Blairites. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"High profile Labour party member Alistair Campbell has slammed Corbyn's leadership this weekend. He said, "The Labour party is a long way from where we need to be to win a general election". In a speech to centre left group Progress he said "Huge swathes of the country can't accept this Labour party in Number 10".
Corbyn may have bought himself some time with the general election results last year but after Thursdays disastrous local election results the knives are back out for him again from the Blairites. "
Do you agree with Alistair Campbell Centaur? Or do you think the country loves Corbyns Labour and the majority want him in Number 10? |
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I am confused by the these local election results.
Labour have 2350 councillors up by 77.
Conservatives have 1332 down by 33.
Lib Dems 536 u by 75
Kippers 3 down by 123
Greens 39 up by 8.shameful
Others 144 down by 4
It looks like labour have twice as many councillors. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"I am confused by the these local election results.
Labour have 2350 councillors up by 77.
Conservatives have 1332 down by 33.
Lib Dems 536 u by 75
Kippers 3 down by 123
Greens 39 up by 8.shameful
Others 144 down by 4
It looks like labour have twice as many councillors. "
Labour have more councillors than all the other parties combined...
As I've said before, it was their best local election result since 1971.
Sure, they could have taken a few more councils, but it's hardly a bad result.
Extrapolating vote share based on local elections is an interesting idea but one that never seems to translate in reality. |
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"High profile Labour party member Alistair Campbell has slammed Corbyn's leadership this weekend. He said, "The Labour party is a long way from where we need to be to win a general election". In a speech to centre left group Progress he said "Huge swathes of the country can't accept this Labour party in Number 10".
Corbyn may have bought himself some time with the general election results last year but after Thursdays disastrous local election results the knives are back out for him again from the Blairites.
Do you agree with Alistair Campbell Centaur? Or do you think the country loves Corbyns Labour and the majority want him in Number 10?"
It seems David Blunkett and Caroline Flint agree with Alistair Campbell and have also waded in to condemn Corbyn's leadership. Blunkett condemning Corbyn for his handling of the antisemitism row within Labour which he says cost Labour at least one council. Caroline Flint slamming Corbyn over his position on Brexit which saw Leave voting areas in England backing the Tories and ditching Labour. Civil war within the Labour party had been put on hold after last year's general election but now is erupting again. Sit back and grab some popcorn. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"High profile Labour party member Alistair Campbell has slammed Corbyn's leadership this weekend. He said, "The Labour party is a long way from where we need to be to win a general election". In a speech to centre left group Progress he said "Huge swathes of the country can't accept this Labour party in Number 10".
Corbyn may have bought himself some time with the general election results last year but after Thursdays disastrous local election results the knives are back out for him again from the Blairites.
Do you agree with Alistair Campbell Centaur? Or do you think the country loves Corbyns Labour and the majority want him in Number 10?
It seems David Blunkett and Caroline Flint agree with Alistair Campbell and have also waded in to condemn Corbyn's leadership. Blunkett condemning Corbyn for his handling of the antisemitism row within Labour which he says cost Labour at least one council. Caroline Flint slamming Corbyn over his position on Brexit which saw Leave voting areas in England backing the Tories and ditching Labour. Civil war within the Labour party had been put on hold after last year's general election but now is erupting again. Sit back and grab some popcorn. "
But do you agree with them? Or do you think the country is yearning for a Corbyn PM? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"High profile Labour party member Alistair Campbell has slammed Corbyn's leadership this weekend. He said, "The Labour party is a long way from where we need to be to win a general election". In a speech to centre left group Progress he said "Huge swathes of the country can't accept this Labour party in Number 10".
Corbyn may have bought himself some time with the general election results last year but after Thursdays disastrous local election results the knives are back out for him again from the Blairites.
Do you agree with Alistair Campbell Centaur? Or do you think the country loves Corbyns Labour and the majority want him in Number 10?
It seems David Blunkett and Caroline Flint agree with Alistair Campbell and have also waded in to condemn Corbyn's leadership. Blunkett condemning Corbyn for his handling of the antisemitism row within Labour which he says cost Labour at least one council. Caroline Flint slamming Corbyn over his position on Brexit which saw Leave voting areas in England backing the Tories and ditching Labour. Civil war within the Labour party had been put on hold after last year's general election but now is erupting again. Sit back and grab some popcorn. "
You've even started to right in the style of right wing headlines |
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By *pidernickMan
over a year ago
Locks Heath (Fareham borough) |
Sorry, but reading much into the results is pretty meaningless. Low turnout works against Labour and I would remind everyone what happened at last year's local elections, which you then need to compare to the General Election only a month later.
Whilst there were definitely negative issues at play, predicting 'peak Corbyn' is a fool's game to my mind. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"High profile Labour party member Alistair Campbell has slammed Corbyn's leadership this weekend. He said, "The Labour party is a long way from where we need to be to win a general election". In a speech to centre left group Progress he said "Huge swathes of the country can't accept this Labour party in Number 10".
Corbyn may have bought himself some time with the general election results last year but after Thursdays disastrous local election results the knives are back out for him again from the Blairites.
Do you agree with Alistair Campbell Centaur? Or do you think the country loves Corbyns Labour and the majority want him in Number 10?
It seems David Blunkett and Caroline Flint agree with Alistair Campbell and have also waded in to condemn Corbyn's leadership. Blunkett condemning Corbyn for his handling of the antisemitism row within Labour which he says cost Labour at least one council. Caroline Flint slamming Corbyn over his position on Brexit which saw Leave voting areas in England backing the Tories and ditching Labour. Civil war within the Labour party had been put on hold after last year's general election but now is erupting again. Sit back and grab some popcorn.
But do you agree with them? Or do you think the country is yearning for a Corbyn PM?"
No answer from Centaur! |
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"High profile Labour party member Alistair Campbell has slammed Corbyn's leadership this weekend. He said, "The Labour party is a long way from where we need to be to win a general election". In a speech to centre left group Progress he said "Huge swathes of the country can't accept this Labour party in Number 10".
Corbyn may have bought himself some time with the general election results last year but after Thursdays disastrous local election results the knives are back out for him again from the Blairites.
Do you agree with Alistair Campbell Centaur? Or do you think the country loves Corbyns Labour and the majority want him in Number 10?
It seems David Blunkett and Caroline Flint agree with Alistair Campbell and have also waded in to condemn Corbyn's leadership. Blunkett condemning Corbyn for his handling of the antisemitism row within Labour which he says cost Labour at least one council. Caroline Flint slamming Corbyn over his position on Brexit which saw Leave voting areas in England backing the Tories and ditching Labour. Civil war within the Labour party had been put on hold after last year's general election but now is erupting again. Sit back and grab some popcorn.
But do you agree with them? Or do you think the country is yearning for a Corbyn PM?"
Yearning to be thrust back into the deep mire of 70s Britain,unions in control, strikes every other week, rampant inflation, no growth. Can't wait... |
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over a year ago
Cambridge |
"High profile Labour party member Alistair Campbell has slammed Corbyn's leadership this weekend. He said, "The Labour party is a long way from where we need to be to win a general election". In a speech to centre left group Progress he said "Huge swathes of the country can't accept this Labour party in Number 10".
Corbyn may have bought himself some time with the general election results last year but after Thursdays disastrous local election results the knives are back out for him again from the Blairites.
Do you agree with Alistair Campbell Centaur? Or do you think the country loves Corbyns Labour and the majority want him in Number 10?
It seems David Blunkett and Caroline Flint agree with Alistair Campbell and have also waded in to condemn Corbyn's leadership. Blunkett condemning Corbyn for his handling of the antisemitism row within Labour which he says cost Labour at least one council. Caroline Flint slamming Corbyn over his position on Brexit which saw Leave voting areas in England backing the Tories and ditching Labour. Civil war within the Labour party had been put on hold after last year's general election but now is erupting again. Sit back and grab some popcorn.
But do you agree with them? Or do you think the country is yearning for a Corbyn PM?
Yearning to be thrust back into the deep mire of 70s Britain,unions in control, strikes every other week, rampant inflation, no growth. Can't wait..."
So you agree with Alistair Campbell, but does Centaur have the balls to admit that he does?  |
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"High profile Labour party member Alistair Campbell has slammed Corbyn's leadership this weekend. He said, "The Labour party is a long way from where we need to be to win a general election". In a speech to centre left group Progress he said "Huge swathes of the country can't accept this Labour party in Number 10".
Corbyn may have bought himself some time with the general election results last year but after Thursdays disastrous local election results the knives are back out for him again from the Blairites.
Do you agree with Alistair Campbell Centaur? Or do you think the country loves Corbyns Labour and the majority want him in Number 10?
It seems David Blunkett and Caroline Flint agree with Alistair Campbell and have also waded in to condemn Corbyn's leadership. Blunkett condemning Corbyn for his handling of the antisemitism row within Labour which he says cost Labour at least one council. Caroline Flint slamming Corbyn over his position on Brexit which saw Leave voting areas in England backing the Tories and ditching Labour. Civil war within the Labour party had been put on hold after last year's general election but now is erupting again. Sit back and grab some popcorn.
But do you agree with them? Or do you think the country is yearning for a Corbyn PM?
Yearning to be thrust back into the deep mire of 70s Britain,unions in control, strikes every other week, rampant inflation, no growth. Can't wait..."
You missed out the power cuts! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"High profile Labour party member Alistair Campbell has slammed Corbyn's leadership this weekend. He said, "The Labour party is a long way from where we need to be to win a general election". In a speech to centre left group Progress he said "Huge swathes of the country can't accept this Labour party in Number 10".
Corbyn may have bought himself some time with the general election results last year but after Thursdays disastrous local election results the knives are back out for him again from the Blairites.
Do you agree with Alistair Campbell Centaur? Or do you think the country loves Corbyns Labour and the majority want him in Number 10?
It seems David Blunkett and Caroline Flint agree with Alistair Campbell and have also waded in to condemn Corbyn's leadership. Blunkett condemning Corbyn for his handling of the antisemitism row within Labour which he says cost Labour at least one council. Caroline Flint slamming Corbyn over his position on Brexit which saw Leave voting areas in England backing the Tories and ditching Labour. Civil war within the Labour party had been put on hold after last year's general election but now is erupting again. Sit back and grab some popcorn.
But do you agree with them? Or do you think the country is yearning for a Corbyn PM?
Yearning to be thrust back into the deep mire of 70s Britain,unions in control, strikes every other week, rampant inflation, no growth. Can't wait..."
Like before joining the EU?
It was more than just a weak government and strong unions. |
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