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"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? " . Its what happens when business owning cunts avoid taxs by off shoring there profits to Ireland? Still at least there not hypocritical enough to bitch constantly about the consequences  | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? " I have to agree with you,I do hate the modern and selfish attitude of so many people these days.Yes this country has changed so much in the last 10 years and I do not like it,although is it everywhere? I do blame social media a lot | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? " A bit rich coming from someone who called 17 million people nasty racists yesterday because they voted differently to them! Tolerant, you don't know the meaning of the word, HYPOCRITE.  | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? A bit rich coming from someone who called 17 million people nasty racists yesterday because they voted differently to them! Tolerant, you don't know the meaning of the word, HYPOCRITE. "To be fair, them being intolerant of brexiters, of whom a lot ARE openly racist, is not the same as telling black people to shut up and/or go home. | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? " people voted tory despite being warned of the consequences ... that's what happened | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? A bit rich coming from someone who called 17 million people nasty racists yesterday because they voted differently to them! Tolerant, you don't know the meaning of the word, HYPOCRITE. " | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? A bit rich coming from someone who called 17 million people nasty racists yesterday because they voted differently to them! Tolerant, you don't know the meaning of the word, HYPOCRITE. "One of the problems we have at the moment is that people feel they can just make stuff up to prove their point. The statement above being just such an example. Others then thumb it in agreement and suddenly a total lie becomes a fact. Welcome to Brexit Britain a land where the majority lie and exaggerate....because the truth is inconvenient. | |||
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"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? A bit rich coming from someone who called 17 million people nasty racists yesterday because they voted differently to them! Tolerant, you don't know the meaning of the word, HYPOCRITE.
One of the problems we have at the moment is that people feel they can just make stuff up to prove their point. The statement above being just such an example. Others then thumb it in agreement and suddenly a total lie becomes a fact. Welcome to Brexit Britain a land where the majority lie and exaggerate....because the truth is inconvenient.". Hmmm that truth sure is inconvenient alright, I mean it's not like somebody argued for years with me that man made climate change doesn't exist because and I quote "c02 is just a trace gas and couldn't possibly make any difference". Facts Hercule facts, that's all that matters | |||
" One of the problems we have at the moment is that people feel they can just make stuff up to prove their point. The statement above being just such an example. Others then thumb it in agreement and suddenly a total lie becomes a fact. Welcome to Brexit Britain a land where the majority lie and exaggerate....because the truth is inconvenient." You accused me of making stuff up in another thread when I did no such thing. Now you are making things up because the truth is inconvenient! How ironic! | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? A bit rich coming from someone who called 17 million people nasty racists yesterday because they voted differently to them! Tolerant, you don't know the meaning of the word, HYPOCRITE.
One of the problems we have at the moment is that people feel they can just make stuff up to prove their point. The statement above being just such an example. Others then thumb it in agreement and suddenly a total lie becomes a fact. Welcome to Brexit Britain a land where the majority lie and exaggerate....because the truth is inconvenient."your not tolerant far from it ,your posts prove that no one is making things up about you ! Your posts prove it , hypocrite ! | |||
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"If only we were all forward thinking, sexually liberated, race and alternate religion welcoming muslims we wouldn't have this trouble! "  | |||
"I find it very interesting that some are using a national scandal that started way before Brexit was on the table and is solely down to the racist policies of the Home Office under Theresa May and Amber Rudd to have a pop at brexiteers for "being a bit racist". It's almost like they don't give a shit about the people that this policy has affected and are just using their suffering to make a cheap dig at half of the population whom they deem themselves vastly superior to. So far these people have been white. I suppose if you wanted an illustration of white privelidge, you have probably found it. " It is linked, in the sense that the Immigration Act was a response to the threat posed by UKIP to Tory constituencies. Cameron knew he could do nothing about EU migrants, so May wanted to look tough on the rest of the world. Cameron was even promising a referendum on the EU if he won the next election, such was the threat from the far right to his power. | |||
"Social Media is the problem - when we had to actually talk to people rather than just launch opinions at the Internet, people were much more self regulating..." Social media didn't make the home office destroy the documents. Social media didn't make May try to ban education for children of illegal immigrants against the internationally ratified UN Rights of the Child. Social media didn't make make May pass legislation to push the responsibility for checking immigration from the government to unqualified landlords and employers. | |||
"Social Media is the problem - when we had to actually talk to people rather than just launch opinions at the Internet, people were much more self regulating... Social media didn't make the home office destroy the documents. Social media didn't make May try to ban education for children of illegal immigrants against the internationally ratified UN Rights of the Child. Social media didn't make make May pass legislation to push the responsibility for checking immigration from the government to unqualified landlords and employers." The word 'Hostile environment' started under the last labour government though. Labour MP Alan Johnson was the first person to use it as Home secretary. Just like Gordon Brown was the first person to use the phrase "British jobs for British people", but when Brown said it no one batted an eyelid. As soon as Nigel Farage started to repeat it a few years later suddenly everyone started playing the race card. Pathetic. | |||
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"Social Media is the problem - when we had to actually talk to people rather than just launch opinions at the Internet, people were much more self regulating... Social media didn't make the home office destroy the documents. Social media didn't make May try to ban education for children of illegal immigrants against the internationally ratified UN Rights of the Child. Social media didn't make make May pass legislation to push the responsibility for checking immigration from the government to unqualified landlords and employers. The word 'Hostile environment' started under the last labour government though. Labour MP Alan Johnson was the first person to use it as Home secretary. Just like Gordon Brown was the first person to use the phrase "British jobs for British people", but when Brown said it no one batted an eyelid. As soon as Nigel Farage started to repeat it a few years later suddenly everyone started playing the race card. Pathetic. " Firstly, what does your post have to do with mine? Secondly, loads of people did call Brown out for pandering to racists. | |||
" Just like Gordon Brown was the first person to use the phrase "British jobs for British people", but when Brown said it no one batted an eyelid. As soon as Nigel Farage started to repeat it a few years later suddenly everyone started playing the race card. Pathetic. " You are conveniently leaving or ignoring a major piece that differentiates the two... Brown said British jobs for British people... anyone born here, race, colour etc is British Farage is just racist, hates people that dare to speak a different language in public | |||
"Social Media is the problem - when we had to actually talk to people rather than just launch opinions at the Internet, people were much more self regulating... Social media didn't make the home office destroy the documents. Social media didn't make May try to ban education for children of illegal immigrants against the internationally ratified UN Rights of the Child. Social media didn't make make May pass legislation to push the responsibility for checking immigration from the government to unqualified landlords and employers. The word 'Hostile environment' started under the last labour government though. Labour MP Alan Johnson was the first person to use it as Home secretary. Just like Gordon Brown was the first person to use the phrase "British jobs for British people", but when Brown said it no one batted an eyelid. As soon as Nigel Farage started to repeat it a few years later suddenly everyone started playing the race card. Pathetic. " Slightly wrong there again as usual farage and the UKIP party are the biggest raciest going I guess along with it’s handful of followers That’s pathetic pal | |||
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"The Home Secretaries who initiated and then decided to increase its hostility to immigrants were awful people, who were 'leaders' in their areas. One still is a 'leader', as she's the Prime Minister. These people deserve what they get, if they fail in politics. " But wasn't she doing what the people wanted? They promise to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - this is how they hope to do it - but what message does it give to the world? | |||
"The Home Secretaries who initiated and then decided to increase its hostility to immigrants were awful people, who were 'leaders' in their areas. One still is a 'leader', as she's the Prime Minister. These people deserve what they get, if they fail in politics. But wasn't she doing what the people wanted? They promise to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - this is how they hope to do it - but what message does it give to the world? " That the Tories are liars | |||
"The Home Secretaries who initiated and then decided to increase its hostility to immigrants were awful people, who were 'leaders' in their areas. One still is a 'leader', as she's the Prime Minister. These people deserve what they get, if they fail in politics. But wasn't she doing what the people wanted? They promise to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - this is how they hope to do it - but what message does it give to the world? " Hopefully that the streets arn't paved with gold after all. | |||
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"The Home Secretaries who initiated and then decided to increase its hostility to immigrants were awful people, who were 'leaders' in their areas. One still is a 'leader', as she's the Prime Minister. These people deserve what they get, if they fail in politics. But wasn't she doing what the people wanted? They promise to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - this is how they hope to do it - but what message does it give to the world? Hopefully that the streets arn't paved with gold after all. " But they are!!! UK is the benefits capital of the world - isn't it ? | |||
"Brexit the gift of hatred that keeps on giving .Notice how the brexiters will deflect it about the OP and never acknowledge the correlation between brexit and racism.Being of colour in this country now makes you legitimate target.It likley gives some brexiters a warm fuzzy feeling... Arrrrr the feels. "THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN BREXITEERS AND RACISM you do not know or understand the large difference between controlled immigration and racism. The feeling I get that you are a racist and feel guilty about it. Remainers just cannot exept that people do not want to be part of the EU for many different reasons. | |||
"The Home Secretaries who initiated and then decided to increase its hostility to immigrants were awful people, who were 'leaders' in their areas. One still is a 'leader', as she's the Prime Minister. These people deserve what they get, if they fail in politics. But wasn't she doing what the people wanted? They promise to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - this is how they hope to do it - but what message does it give to the world? That the Tories are liars " Very warped interpritation | |||
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"Brexit the gift of hatred that keeps on giving .Notice how the brexiters will deflect it about the OP and never acknowledge the correlation between brexit and racism.Being of colour in this country now makes you legitimate target.It likley gives some brexiters a warm fuzzy feeling... Arrrrr the feels. THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN BREXITEERS AND RACISM "What a crock of shit. You'd be hard pushed to find anyone who'd disagree with the saying "not all Brexit voters are racist, but all racists voted for Brexit." | |||
"Brexit the gift of hatred that keeps on giving .Notice how the brexiters will deflect it about the OP and never acknowledge the correlation between brexit and racism.Being of colour in this country now makes you legitimate target.It likley gives some brexiters a warm fuzzy feeling... Arrrrr the feels. THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN BREXITEERS AND RACISM you do not know or understand the large difference between controlled immigration and racism.
The feeling I get that you are a racist and feel guilty about it.
Remainers just cannot exept that people do not want to be part of the EU for many different reasons."Yes of course that fits your warped agenda.Denial and Deflection is the modus operandi of brexiters in here. The home office must be liars.As they recorded the highest spike in recorded racism ever in 2017.An increase of a third. It's probably much greater.As I never reported any of the times my son was called a nigger last year..My guess it's more,likey a 50% increase...But keep repeating it's all a lie long enough and maybe some other brexiters will agree with you.. | |||
"Brexit the gift of hatred that keeps on giving .Notice how the brexiters will deflect it about the OP and never acknowledge the correlation between brexit and racism.Being of colour in this country now makes you legitimate target.It likley gives some brexiters a warm fuzzy feeling... Arrrrr the feels. THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN BREXITEERS AND RACISM you do not know or understand the large difference between controlled immigration and racism.
The feeling I get that you are a racist and feel guilty about it.
Remainers just cannot exept that people do not want to be part of the EU for many different reasons.
Yes of course that fits your warped agenda.Denial and Deflection is the modus operandi of brexiters in here.
The home office must be liars.As they recorded the highest spike in recorded racism ever in 2017.An increase of a third.
It's probably much greater.As I never reported any of the times my son was called a nigger last year..My guess it's more,likey a 50% increase...But keep repeating it's all a lie long enough and maybe some other brexiters will agree with you.. "Are they poor you lol | |||
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"Brexit the gift of hatred that keeps on giving .Notice how the brexiters will deflect it about the OP and never acknowledge the correlation between brexit and racism.Being of colour in this country now makes you legitimate target.It likley gives some brexiters a warm fuzzy feeling... Arrrrr the feels. THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN BREXITEERS AND RACISM
What a crock of shit. You'd be hard pushed to find anyone who'd disagree with the saying "not all Brexit voters are racist, but all racists voted for Brexit.""A lot did but many no doubt did not even vote I bet | |||
"The Home Secretaries who initiated and then decided to increase its hostility to immigrants were awful people, who were 'leaders' in their areas. One still is a 'leader', as she's the Prime Minister. These people deserve what they get, if they fail in politics. But wasn't she doing what the people wanted? They promise to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - this is how they hope to do it - but what message does it give to the world? That the Tories are liars Very warped interpritation" Well did they reduce immigration to below 100,000? No, they didn't. They didn't even control non-EU immigration to less than 100,000. They lied... | |||
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"The Home Secretaries who initiated and then decided to increase its hostility to immigrants were awful people, who were 'leaders' in their areas. One still is a 'leader', as she's the Prime Minister. These people deserve what they get, if they fail in politics. But wasn't she doing what the people wanted? They promise to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - this is how they hope to do it - but what message does it give to the world? That the Tories are liars Very warped interpritation Well did they reduce immigration to below 100,000? No, they didn't. They didn't even control non-EU immigration to less than 100,000. They lied..." Ok a simple question. We can and always have had control over non EU migrants and as stated every year we let in 100k+ Why? Is there some international law which we have to abide by? If so how will it change after brexit? Finally the Australian system has always been put forward as an example to follow, but an Australian government official who stayed in one of our apartments last year said they let in 197k last year - so that's not working either! | |||
"The Home Secretaries who initiated and then decided to increase its hostility to immigrants were awful people, who were 'leaders' in their areas. One still is a 'leader', as she's the Prime Minister. These people deserve what they get, if they fail in politics. But wasn't she doing what the people wanted? They promise to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - this is how they hope to do it - but what message does it give to the world? That the Tories are liars Very warped interpritation Well did they reduce immigration to below 100,000? No, they didn't. They didn't even control non-EU immigration to less than 100,000. They lied... Ok a simple question. We can and always have had control over non EU migrants and as stated every year we let in 100k+ Why? Is there some international law which we have to abide by? If so how will it change after brexit? Finally the Australian system has always been put forward as an example to follow, but an Australian government official who stayed in one of our apartments last year said they let in 197k last year - so that's not working either!" You make it sound like they let in 197,000 that they didn't want. In 2016/17 the Australian Government set the numbers required at 190,000. So 197,000 coming in is a slight overshoot, possibly explained by people not entering in the year in which they get their visa approved. Further, the Australian government's plan was that 69% of those entering would be through required skills. It was actually 68%, with the rest being made up mainly through their reuniting families programme. So, they planned for 190,000, and got 197,000. | |||
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"The Home Secretaries who initiated and then decided to increase its hostility to immigrants were awful people, who were 'leaders' in their areas. One still is a 'leader', as she's the Prime Minister. These people deserve what they get, if they fail in politics. But wasn't she doing what the people wanted? They promise to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - this is how they hope to do it - but what message does it give to the world? That the Tories are liars Very warped interpritation Well did they reduce immigration to below 100,000? No, they didn't. They didn't even control non-EU immigration to less than 100,000. They lied... Ok a simple question. We can and always have had control over non EU migrants and as stated every year we let in 100k+ Why? Is there some international law which we have to abide by? If so how will it change after brexit? Finally the Australian system has always been put forward as an example to follow, but an Australian government official who stayed in one of our apartments last year said they let in 197k last year - so that's not working either! You make it sound like they let in 197,000 that they didn't want. In 2016/17 the Australian Government set the numbers required at 190,000. So 197,000 coming in is a slight overshoot, possibly explained by people not entering in the year in which they get their visa approved. Further, the Australian government's plan was that 69% of those entering would be through required skills. It was actually 68%, with the rest being made up mainly through their reuniting families programme. So, they planned for 190,000, and got 197,000." Australia has a population of 24m, we have a population of 65m, it they need 190k a year, we need more than double that. | |||
"Brexit the gift of hatred that keeps on giving .Notice how the brexiters will deflect it about the OP and never acknowledge the correlation between brexit and racism.Being of colour in this country now makes you legitimate target.It likley gives some brexiters a warm fuzzy feeling... Arrrrr the feels. THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN BREXITEERS AND RACISM
What a crock of shit. You'd be hard pushed to find anyone who'd disagree with the saying "not all Brexit voters are racist, but all racists voted for Brexit.""So if all racists voted for Brexit, that means Cameron, May and Rudd are not racist because they all voted Remain in the EU Referendum. | |||
"The Home Secretaries who initiated and then decided to increase its hostility to immigrants were awful people, who were 'leaders' in their areas. One still is a 'leader', as she's the Prime Minister. These people deserve what they get, if they fail in politics. But wasn't she doing what the people wanted? They promise to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - this is how they hope to do it - but what message does it give to the world? That the Tories are liars Very warped interpritation Well did they reduce immigration to below 100,000? No, they didn't. They didn't even control non-EU immigration to less than 100,000. They lied... Ok a simple question. We can and always have had control over non EU migrants and as stated every year we let in 100k+ Why? Is there some international law which we have to abide by? If so how will it change after brexit? Finally the Australian system has always been put forward as an example to follow, but an Australian government official who stayed in one of our apartments last year said they let in 197k last year - so that's not working either! You make it sound like they let in 197,000 that they didn't want. In 2016/17 the Australian Government set the numbers required at 190,000. So 197,000 coming in is a slight overshoot, possibly explained by people not entering in the year in which they get their visa approved. Further, the Australian government's plan was that 69% of those entering would be through required skills. It was actually 68%, with the rest being made up mainly through their reuniting families programme. So, they planned for 190,000, and got 197,000." According to the Australian a lot of Australians didn't want them - similar problems as we have. | |||
"The Home Secretaries who initiated and then decided to increase its hostility to immigrants were awful people, who were 'leaders' in their areas. One still is a 'leader', as she's the Prime Minister. These people deserve what they get, if they fail in politics. But wasn't she doing what the people wanted? They promise to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - this is how they hope to do it - but what message does it give to the world? That the Tories are liars Very warped interpritation Well did they reduce immigration to below 100,000? No, they didn't. They didn't even control non-EU immigration to less than 100,000. They lied... Ok a simple question. We can and always have had control over non EU migrants and as stated every year we let in 100k+ Why? Is there some international law which we have to abide by? If so how will it change after brexit? Finally the Australian system has always been put forward as an example to follow, but an Australian government official who stayed in one of our apartments last year said they let in 197k last year - so that's not working either! You make it sound like they let in 197,000 that they didn't want. In 2016/17 the Australian Government set the numbers required at 190,000. So 197,000 coming in is a slight overshoot, possibly explained by people not entering in the year in which they get their visa approved. Further, the Australian government's plan was that 69% of those entering would be through required skills. It was actually 68%, with the rest being made up mainly through their reuniting families programme. So, they planned for 190,000, and got 197,000. Australia has a population of 24m, we have a population of 65m, it they need 190k a year, we need more than double that." But what should that double amount be? Should it be controlled, as the leave campaign wanted? Or should it just be "let anyone in, it doesn't matter who they are or what skills they have, just as long as it's double the amount of Australia', as you want? | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration?" I've unambiguously condemned it outside of this forum and I'm happy to unambiguously condemn it in here now. I see this as a Tory problem not a Brexit problem. May and Rudd deserve all the criticism they are getting and I hope they pay for it. How two career politicians can get this so wrong is beyond me. | |||
"The Home Secretaries who initiated and then decided to increase its hostility to immigrants were awful people, who were 'leaders' in their areas. One still is a 'leader', as she's the Prime Minister. These people deserve what they get, if they fail in politics. But wasn't she doing what the people wanted? They promise to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - this is how they hope to do it - but what message does it give to the world? That the Tories are liars Very warped interpritation Well did they reduce immigration to below 100,000? No, they didn't. They didn't even control non-EU immigration to less than 100,000. They lied... Ok a simple question. We can and always have had control over non EU migrants and as stated every year we let in 100k+ Why? Is there some international law which we have to abide by? If so how will it change after brexit? Finally the Australian system has always been put forward as an example to follow, but an Australian government official who stayed in one of our apartments last year said they let in 197k last year - so that's not working either! You make it sound like they let in 197,000 that they didn't want. In 2016/17 the Australian Government set the numbers required at 190,000. So 197,000 coming in is a slight overshoot, possibly explained by people not entering in the year in which they get their visa approved. Further, the Australian government's plan was that 69% of those entering would be through required skills. It was actually 68%, with the rest being made up mainly through their reuniting families programme. So, they planned for 190,000, and got 197,000. Australia has a population of 24m, we have a population of 65m, it they need 190k a year, we need more than double that." Why should we need double that of Australia? Why not half or even triple? Is population size the only factor? | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration?" I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. " Overall hate crime is growing, against muslims, jews, Christians and the gay community in UK, France and Germany | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration?" I voted Leave and immigration was the least of my voting criteria. I live in a County dependent on a large migrant workforce for its prosperity. I employ a Polish guy, and he's a productive and dependable employee. The "lazy" Brits have had years to adapt and didn't take the opportunity, so let the EU migrants do the jobs that we wont. | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. " At the risk of being branded a racist I'm going to give this a thumbs up... | |||
"The Home Secretaries who initiated and then decided to increase its hostility to immigrants were awful people, who were 'leaders' in their areas. One still is a 'leader', as she's the Prime Minister. These people deserve what they get, if they fail in politics. But wasn't she doing what the people wanted? They promise to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - this is how they hope to do it - but what message does it give to the world? That the Tories are liars Very warped interpritation Well did they reduce immigration to below 100,000? No, they didn't. They didn't even control non-EU immigration to less than 100,000. They lied... Ok a simple question. We can and always have had control over non EU migrants and as stated every year we let in 100k+ Why? Is there some international law which we have to abide by? If so how will it change after brexit? Finally the Australian system has always been put forward as an example to follow, but an Australian government official who stayed in one of our apartments last year said they let in 197k last year - so that's not working either! You make it sound like they let in 197,000 that they didn't want. In 2016/17 the Australian Government set the numbers required at 190,000. So 197,000 coming in is a slight overshoot, possibly explained by people not entering in the year in which they get their visa approved. Further, the Australian government's plan was that 69% of those entering would be through required skills. It was actually 68%, with the rest being made up mainly through their reuniting families programme. So, they planned for 190,000, and got 197,000. Australia has a population of 24m, we have a population of 65m, it they need 190k a year, we need more than double that. But what should that double amount be? Should it be controlled, as the leave campaign wanted? Or should it just be "let anyone in, it doesn't matter who they are or what skills they have, just as long as it's double the amount of Australia', as you want?" But why haven't we had the controls in place for the last 40 years? | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. Overall hate crime is growing, against muslims, jews, Christians and the gay community in UK, France and Germany " Anyone care to guess who's committing these crimes.?Leavers or Remainers? Or shall we deflect it onto muslims and justify racism because of terrorism. | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? " It got taken advantage of, people coming here just to use the NHS, or because our benefit system is a soft touch. | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? A bit rich coming from someone who called 17 million people nasty racists yesterday because they voted differently to them! Tolerant, you don't know the meaning of the word, HYPOCRITE.
To be fair, them being intolerant of brexiters, of whom a lot ARE openly racist, is not the same as telling black people to shut up and/or go home. "A lot of brexiters are openly racist? Excuse me but that’s quite a sweeping statement. Just because u don’t agree with people’s political or national views doesn’t give u the right to vilifile them | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. Overall hate crime is growing, against muslims, jews, Christians and the gay community in UK, France and Germany Anyone care to guess who's committing these crimes.?Leavers or Remainers? Or shall we deflect it onto muslims and justify racism because of terrorism. "I wouldn't have a clue how they voted. Except of course for those in France or Germany because they weren't eligible to vote. | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration?" There is a thread on Windrush. | |||
"The Home Secretaries who initiated and then decided to increase its hostility to immigrants were awful people, who were 'leaders' in their areas. One still is a 'leader', as she's the Prime Minister. These people deserve what they get, if they fail in politics. But wasn't she doing what the people wanted? They promise to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - this is how they hope to do it - but what message does it give to the world? That the Tories are liars Very warped interpritation Well did they reduce immigration to below 100,000? No, they didn't. They didn't even control non-EU immigration to less than 100,000. They lied... Ok a simple question. We can and always have had control over non EU migrants and as stated every year we let in 100k+ Why? Is there some international law which we have to abide by? If so how will it change after brexit? Finally the Australian system has always been put forward as an example to follow, but an Australian government official who stayed in one of our apartments last year said they let in 197k last year - so that's not working either! You make it sound like they let in 197,000 that they didn't want. In 2016/17 the Australian Government set the numbers required at 190,000. So 197,000 coming in is a slight overshoot, possibly explained by people not entering in the year in which they get their visa approved. Further, the Australian government's plan was that 69% of those entering would be through required skills. It was actually 68%, with the rest being made up mainly through their reuniting families programme. So, they planned for 190,000, and got 197,000. Australia has a population of 24m, we have a population of 65m, it they need 190k a year, we need more than double that. Why should we need double that of Australia? Why not half or even triple? Is population size the only factor?" Because he is level 6 or 7 educated, he has researched and analysed the UK economy, industry etc, knows that we just need the numbers, not any particular skills, that we need twice as many as Australia, and besides, he is way more intelligent than you. | |||
"The Home Secretaries who initiated and then decided to increase its hostility to immigrants were awful people, who were 'leaders' in their areas. One still is a 'leader', as she's the Prime Minister. These people deserve what they get, if they fail in politics. But wasn't she doing what the people wanted? They promise to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - this is how they hope to do it - but what message does it give to the world? That the Tories are liars Very warped interpritation Well did they reduce immigration to below 100,000? No, they didn't. They didn't even control non-EU immigration to less than 100,000. They lied... Ok a simple question. We can and always have had control over non EU migrants and as stated every year we let in 100k+ Why? Is there some international law which we have to abide by? If so how will it change after brexit? Finally the Australian system has always been put forward as an example to follow, but an Australian government official who stayed in one of our apartments last year said they let in 197k last year - so that's not working either! You make it sound like they let in 197,000 that they didn't want. In 2016/17 the Australian Government set the numbers required at 190,000. So 197,000 coming in is a slight overshoot, possibly explained by people not entering in the year in which they get their visa approved. Further, the Australian government's plan was that 69% of those entering would be through required skills. It was actually 68%, with the rest being made up mainly through their reuniting families programme. So, they planned for 190,000, and got 197,000. Australia has a population of 24m, we have a population of 65m, it they need 190k a year, we need more than double that. Why should we need double that of Australia? Why not half or even triple? Is population size the only factor?" I don't think population size is the only factor, although it appears CLCC would like to portray it that way. Australia has a much bigger land mass than the UK so it's kind of obvious they should be able to take more people than us on that basis. Statistics show the UK (particularly England) is one of the most overcrowded countries in Europe when looking at population per head in relation to land mass. | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? There is a thread on Windrush. " The Windrush is directly pertinent to the "hostile environment" so pertinent to this thread. No answer to my actual questions I notice. | |||
"The Home Secretaries who initiated and then decided to increase its hostility to immigrants were awful people, who were 'leaders' in their areas. One still is a 'leader', as she's the Prime Minister. These people deserve what they get, if they fail in politics. But wasn't she doing what the people wanted? They promise to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - this is how they hope to do it - but what message does it give to the world? That the Tories are liars Very warped interpritation Well did they reduce immigration to below 100,000? No, they didn't. They didn't even control non-EU immigration to less than 100,000. They lied... Ok a simple question. We can and always have had control over non EU migrants and as stated every year we let in 100k+ Why? Is there some international law which we have to abide by? If so how will it change after brexit? Finally the Australian system has always been put forward as an example to follow, but an Australian government official who stayed in one of our apartments last year said they let in 197k last year - so that's not working either! You make it sound like they let in 197,000 that they didn't want. In 2016/17 the Australian Government set the numbers required at 190,000. So 197,000 coming in is a slight overshoot, possibly explained by people not entering in the year in which they get their visa approved. Further, the Australian government's plan was that 69% of those entering would be through required skills. It was actually 68%, with the rest being made up mainly through their reuniting families programme. So, they planned for 190,000, and got 197,000. Australia has a population of 24m, we have a population of 65m, it they need 190k a year, we need more than double that. Why should we need double that of Australia? Why not half or even triple? Is population size the only factor? Because he is level 6 or 7 educated, he has researched and analysed the UK economy, industry etc, knows that we just need the numbers, not any particular skills, that we need twice as many as Australia, and besides, he is way more intelligent than you. " Not intelligent enough to realise that Australia has a much bigger land mass than the UK though, I think I learned that in junior school.  | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? It got taken advantage of, people coming here just to use the NHS, or because our benefit system is a soft touch. " Based on what? What does the data say? How big is the problem in terms of people and cost? | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. Overall hate crime is growing, against muslims, jews, Christians and the gay community in UK, France and Germany Anyone care to guess who's committing these crimes.?Leavers or Remainers? Or shall we deflect it onto muslims and justify racism because of terrorism. "Against Jews? The majority of anti-semitic hate crime is in London. London overwhelmingly voted remain, and Labour. Make of that what you will. | |||
"The Home Secretaries who initiated and then decided to increase its hostility to immigrants were awful people, who were 'leaders' in their areas. One still is a 'leader', as she's the Prime Minister. These people deserve what they get, if they fail in politics. But wasn't she doing what the people wanted? They promise to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - this is how they hope to do it - but what message does it give to the world? That the Tories are liars Very warped interpritation Well did they reduce immigration to below 100,000? No, they didn't. They didn't even control non-EU immigration to less than 100,000. They lied... Ok a simple question. We can and always have had control over non EU migrants and as stated every year we let in 100k+ Why? Is there some international law which we have to abide by? If so how will it change after brexit? Finally the Australian system has always been put forward as an example to follow, but an Australian government official who stayed in one of our apartments last year said they let in 197k last year - so that's not working either! You make it sound like they let in 197,000 that they didn't want. In 2016/17 the Australian Government set the numbers required at 190,000. So 197,000 coming in is a slight overshoot, possibly explained by people not entering in the year in which they get their visa approved. Further, the Australian government's plan was that 69% of those entering would be through required skills. It was actually 68%, with the rest being made up mainly through their reuniting families programme. So, they planned for 190,000, and got 197,000. Australia has a population of 24m, we have a population of 65m, it they need 190k a year, we need more than double that." Though simple, I can't say that's the most convincing argument. Over simplification works if you already agree with the point being made. That said, complex explanations seem to be completely ignored because it requires thought rather than emotion. | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I've unambiguously condemned it outside of this forum and I'm happy to unambiguously condemn it in here now. I see this as a Tory problem not a Brexit problem. May and Rudd deserve all the criticism they are getting and I hope they pay for it. How two career politicians can get this so wrong is beyond me." It's been exacerbated by Brexit along with press fearmongering about all immigrants and Muslims. Any colour or politician plays to what they think public opinion is. That is driven by blanket and continual scare stories of a tiny, tiny proportion of the total number of Muslims and immigrants. This creates a perception of a huge crisis which can be solved by "controlled" immigration. However, the irony is that the UK is becoming far less attractive to all of the skilled and educated immigrants that we claim to want. They have their own press and they see the hostility here. Does anyone think that the UK is doing anything to look attractive to a foreigner? | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? There is a thread on Windrush. The Windrush is directly pertinent to the "hostile environment" so pertinent to this thread. No answer to my actual questions I notice." There have been answers given to your questions. Maybe Leavers unambiguously condemned it on the Windrush thread so don't feel the need to repeat it here? As May & Rudd, two Remain voters, are at the centre of this row (three if you include Cameron), it would seem only fair if you were to ask anybody who voted remain to unambiguously condemn it too. | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? There is a thread on Windrush. The Windrush is directly pertinent to the "hostile environment" so pertinent to this thread. No answer to my actual questions I notice. There have been answers given to your questions. Maybe Leavers unambiguously condemned it on the Windrush thread so don't feel the need to repeat it here? As May & Rudd, two Remain voters, are at the centre of this row (three if you include Cameron), it would seem only fair if you were to ask anybody who voted remain to unambiguously condemn it too." 4 if you include George Osborne. In fact most of the Conservative MP's in Cameron's government campaigned for and voted Remain. The Leave contingent were a minority of Conservative MP's during the referendum campaign. | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? There is a thread on Windrush. The Windrush is directly pertinent to the "hostile environment" so pertinent to this thread. No answer to my actual questions I notice." My views on Windrush, and hate crime. There is nothing defensible about any of this. It's a national disgrace, and particularly disgraceful for all parties. And every party, of whatever persuasion, should hang their heads in shame. The Guardian have been campaigning about this (Windrush) for about 6 months now, and not one party have picked this up until recently.... and now all they seem to be interested in is playing political football with it, 'he said, she said', and 'well you did this, and they did that'. Hate crime and racism is across the political spectrum. I know Leavers and Remainers that have abhorrent, racist, sexist, etc views, and choose not to mix with them. I know one or two black people that think racism is a white only problem, that people of colour cannot be racist. I choose not to mix with them. The most racist person I've ever met was a Sikh. Some years ago I was seeing a black girl. I got no abuse whatsoever from anyone I knew - of any colour. I did, however, get plenty of vile, racist abuse and threats of violence from black people, 99% of them black men, but it was nothing compared to what my girlfriend got, always from black people, including from her own family. | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? There is a thread on Windrush. The Windrush is directly pertinent to the "hostile environment" so pertinent to this thread. No answer to my actual questions I notice. My views on Windrush, and hate crime. There is nothing defensible about any of this. It's a national disgrace, and particularly disgraceful for all parties. And every party, of whatever persuasion, should hang their heads in shame. The Guardian have been campaigning about this (Windrush) for about 6 months now, and not one party have picked this up until recently.... and now all they seem to be interested in is playing political football with it, 'he said, she said', and 'well you did this, and they did that'. Hate crime and racism is across the political spectrum. I know Leavers and Remainers that have abhorrent, racist, sexist, etc views, and choose not to mix with them. I know one or two black people that think racism is a white only problem, that people of colour cannot be racist. I choose not to mix with them. The most racist person I've ever met was a Sikh. Some years ago I was seeing a black girl. I got no abuse whatsoever from anyone I knew - of any colour. I did, however, get plenty of vile, racist abuse and threats of violence from black people, 99% of them black men, but it was nothing compared to what my girlfriend got, always from black people, including from her own family. " Good points there. Even in South America there is racism to the natives. However they adore European people because they are pale. It's a weird phenomena going on here. But is it racism or predujice or just hate? If I am a minority and have a problem with white people I am a prejudice. If I a majority and I believe I am superior and surpress you, is that racism? I think the concept of the words change and the intention you have. However in the end you're judging a race, nationality or culture which is all bad. | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. Overall hate crime is growing, against muslims, jews, Christians and the gay community in UK, France and Germany Anyone care to guess who's committing these crimes.?Leavers or Remainers? Or shall we deflect it onto muslims and justify racism because of terrorism. "Does it matter who is committing these hate crimes, besides there is no remain/leave issue in any other European country that im aware of. Call it what you will but hate crimes are a knee jerk reaction, as i said fear of the muslim community has increased hate crime against muslims not brexit, when the IRA were active Irish pubs and businesses were vandalized as a knee jerk reaction when a bomb went off somewhere, when tensions are high in Israel/Palestine the Jewish community get targeted and so on and so on. No one is justifying racism or hate crimes just pointing out the reason they occur and why they are rising. In Germany hate crimes against Muslims are rising due to the influx of muslim refugees and like wise hate crimes against jews are also on the rise in Germany. Does anyone really believe that if brexit had been rejected hate crimes would be decreasing? | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? A bit rich coming from someone who called 17 million people nasty racists yesterday because they voted differently to them! Tolerant, you don't know the meaning of the word, HYPOCRITE.
To be fair, them being intolerant of brexiters, of whom a lot ARE openly racist, is not the same as telling black people to shut up and/or go home.
A lot of brexiters are openly racist? Excuse me but that’s quite a sweeping statement. Just because u don’t agree with people’s political or national views doesn’t give u the right to vilifile them"Yes, they are. All the BNP, EDL, BF voted leave (when they could work out how to make an X). Members of UKIP have been caught airing such views. It is documented fact. But perhaps note my wording before getting worked up. I said "a lot", not "all". And no, just because May/Rudd voted remain and are now being called racist over windrush doesn't mean that we had any. It's more likely that this scandal has been caused by incompetence and the desire to stay in power by noting which way the political wind is blowing rather than racism. | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? A bit rich coming from someone who called 17 million people nasty racists yesterday because they voted differently to them! Tolerant, you don't know the meaning of the word, HYPOCRITE.
To be fair, them being intolerant of brexiters, of whom a lot ARE openly racist, is not the same as telling black people to shut up and/or go home.
A lot of brexiters are openly racist? Excuse me but that’s quite a sweeping statement. Just because u don’t agree with people’s political or national views doesn’t give u the right to vilifile them
Yes, they are. All the BNP, EDL, BF voted leave (when they could work out how to make an X). Members of UKIP have been caught airing such views. It is documented fact.
But perhaps note my wording before getting worked up. I said "a lot", not "all".
And no, just because May/Rudd voted remain and are now being called racist over windrush doesn't mean that we had any. It's more likely that this scandal has been caused by incompetence and the desire to stay in power by noting which way the political wind is blowing rather than racism. "Just now you said all BNP, EDL, BF voted leave. | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? A bit rich coming from someone who called 17 million people nasty racists yesterday because they voted differently to them! Tolerant, you don't know the meaning of the word, HYPOCRITE.
To be fair, them being intolerant of brexiters, of whom a lot ARE openly racist, is not the same as telling black people to shut up and/or go home.
A lot of brexiters are openly racist? Excuse me but that’s quite a sweeping statement. Just because u don’t agree with people’s political or national views doesn’t give u the right to vilifile them
Yes, they are. All the BNP, EDL, BF voted leave (when they could work out how to make an X). Members of UKIP have been caught airing such views. It is documented fact.
But perhaps note my wording before getting worked up. I said "a lot", not "all".
And no, just because May/Rudd voted remain and are now being called racist over windrush doesn't mean that we had any. It's more likely that this scandal has been caused by incompetence and the desire to stay in power by noting which way the political wind is blowing rather than racism.
Just now you said all BNP, EDL, BF voted leave. "Yes, they did. Are you just confirming that or making a counterpoint? | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. Overall hate crime is growing, against muslims, jews, Christians and the gay community in UK, France and Germany Anyone care to guess who's committing these crimes.?Leavers or Remainers? Or shall we deflect it onto muslims and justify racism because of terrorism.
Does it matter who is committing these hate crimes, besides there is no remain/leave issue in any other European country that im aware of.
Call it what you will but hate crimes are a knee jerk reaction, as i said fear of the muslim community has increased hate crime against muslims not brexit, when the IRA were active Irish pubs and businesses were vandalized as a knee jerk reaction when a bomb went off somewhere, when tensions are high in Israel/Palestine the Jewish community get targeted and so on and so on.
No one is justifying racism or hate crimes just pointing out the reason they occur and why they are rising.
In Germany hate crimes against Muslims are rising due to the influx of muslim refugees and like wise hate crimes against jews are also on the rise in Germany.
Does anyone really believe that if brexit had been rejected hate crimes would be decreasing? "Of course it matters who is committing these race hate crimes.Racist people are committing these crimes and everyone last one them voted for brexit.They are all Leavers.Your attempt to muddy the waters by blaming muslims is absurd.The hate crimes haven't been against just Muslims now have they.Its people of colour and people from Eastern Europe. | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? A bit rich coming from someone who called 17 million people nasty racists yesterday because they voted differently to them! Tolerant, you don't know the meaning of the word, HYPOCRITE.
To be fair, them being intolerant of brexiters, of whom a lot ARE openly racist, is not the same as telling black people to shut up and/or go home.
A lot of brexiters are openly racist? Excuse me but that’s quite a sweeping statement. Just because u don’t agree with people’s political or national views doesn’t give u the right to vilifile them
Yes, they are. All the BNP, EDL, BF voted leave (when they could work out how to make an X). Members of UKIP have been caught airing such views. It is documented fact.
But perhaps note my wording before getting worked up. I said "a lot", not "all".
And no, just because May/Rudd voted remain and are now being called racist over windrush doesn't mean that we had any. It's more likely that this scandal has been caused by incompetence and the desire to stay in power by noting which way the political wind is blowing rather than racism. "So May/Rudd are not racists, just incompetent? | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. Overall hate crime is growing, against muslims, jews, Christians and the gay community in UK, France and Germany Anyone care to guess who's committing these crimes.?Leavers or Remainers? Or shall we deflect it onto muslims and justify racism because of terrorism.
Does it matter who is committing these hate crimes, besides there is no remain/leave issue in any other European country that im aware of.
Call it what you will but hate crimes are a knee jerk reaction, as i said fear of the muslim community has increased hate crime against muslims not brexit, when the IRA were active Irish pubs and businesses were vandalized as a knee jerk reaction when a bomb went off somewhere, when tensions are high in Israel/Palestine the Jewish community get targeted and so on and so on.
No one is justifying racism or hate crimes just pointing out the reason they occur and why they are rising.
In Germany hate crimes against Muslims are rising due to the influx of muslim refugees and like wise hate crimes against jews are also on the rise in Germany.
Does anyone really believe that if brexit had been rejected hate crimes would be decreasing?
Of course it matters who is committing these race hate crimes.Racist people are committing these crimes and everyone last one them voted for brexit.They are all Leavers.Your attempt to muddy the waters by blaming muslims is absurd.The hate crimes haven't been against just Muslims now have they.Its people of colour and people from Eastern Europe."Are May and Rudd racists? | |||
" So May/Rudd are not racists, just incompetent?" Yeah pretty much. They like the job and want to stay in it. Why else would TM, a remainer, be interested in leading Brexit? She wanted to be PM and would do anything for the job. There was a rising anti immigration sentiment in 2010, and DC saw the threat from UKIP and pandered to it. Not out of racism, just a desire to keep his job and Tories in power. | |||
" So May/Rudd are not racists, just incompetent? Yeah pretty much. They like the job and want to stay in it. Why else would TM, a remainer, be interested in leading Brexit? She wanted to be PM and would do anything for the job. There was a rising anti immigration sentiment in 2010, and DC saw the threat from UKIP and pandered to it. Not out of racism, just a desire to keep his job and Tories in power. " Not even a ittle bit racist? | |||
" So May/Rudd are not racists, just incompetent? Yeah pretty much. They like the job and want to stay in it. Why else would TM, a remainer, be interested in leading Brexit? She wanted to be PM and would do anything for the job. There was a rising anti immigration sentiment in 2010, and DC saw the threat from UKIP and pandered to it. Not out of racism, just a desire to keep his job and Tories in power. Not even a ittle bit racist?" Nah, I don't see any malice there. Just political stupidity and it's all blown up in their faces. It's not like IDS and his hatred of anyone on welfare. | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? A bit rich coming from someone who called 17 million people nasty racists yesterday because they voted differently to them! Tolerant, you don't know the meaning of the word, HYPOCRITE.
To be fair, them being intolerant of brexiters, of whom a lot ARE openly racist, is not the same as telling black people to shut up and/or go home.
A lot of brexiters are openly racist? Excuse me but that’s quite a sweeping statement. Just because u don’t agree with people’s political or national views doesn’t give u the right to vilifile them
Yes, they are. All the BNP, EDL, BF voted leave (when they could work out how to make an X). Members of UKIP have been caught airing such views. It is documented fact.
But perhaps note my wording before getting worked up. I said "a lot", not "all".
And no, just because May/Rudd voted remain and are now being called racist over windrush doesn't mean that we had any. It's more likely that this scandal has been caused by incompetence and the desire to stay in power by noting which way the political wind is blowing rather than racism.
Just now you said all BNP, EDL, BF voted leave. "That's because the poster knew exactly how every single BNP, EDL, BF member voted in the referendum. | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? A bit rich coming from someone who called 17 million people nasty racists yesterday because they voted differently to them! Tolerant, you don't know the meaning of the word, HYPOCRITE.
To be fair, them being intolerant of brexiters, of whom a lot ARE openly racist, is not the same as telling black people to shut up and/or go home.
A lot of brexiters are openly racist? Excuse me but that’s quite a sweeping statement. Just because u don’t agree with people’s political or national views doesn’t give u the right to vilifile them
Yes, they are. All the BNP, EDL, BF voted leave (when they could work out how to make an X). Members of UKIP have been caught airing such views. It is documented fact.
But perhaps note my wording before getting worked up. I said "a lot", not "all".
And no, just because May/Rudd voted remain and are now being called racist over windrush doesn't mean that we had any. It's more likely that this scandal has been caused by incompetence and the desire to stay in power by noting which way the political wind is blowing rather than racism.
Just now you said all BNP, EDL, BF voted leave.
That's because the poster knew exactly how every single BNP, EDL, BF member voted in the referendum."I wouldn't profess to know how they all voted. I mean some perhaps put their cross in the wrong box thinking they were playing noughts and crosses. | |||
" So May/Rudd are not racists, just incompetent? Yeah pretty much. They like the job and want to stay in it. Why else would TM, a remainer, be interested in leading Brexit? She wanted to be PM and would do anything for the job. There was a rising anti immigration sentiment in 2010, and DC saw the threat from UKIP and pandered to it. Not out of racism, just a desire to keep his job and Tories in power. Not even a ittle bit racist? Nah, I don't see any malice there. Just political stupidity and it's all blown up in their faces. It's not like IDS and his hatred of anyone on welfare. " Oh...I seem to recall in another thread you said everyone is a little bit racist. Is that everyone except May, Rudd and Cameron? | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? A bit rich coming from someone who called 17 million people nasty racists yesterday because they voted differently to them! Tolerant, you don't know the meaning of the word, HYPOCRITE.
To be fair, them being intolerant of brexiters, of whom a lot ARE openly racist, is not the same as telling black people to shut up and/or go home.
A lot of brexiters are openly racist? Excuse me but that’s quite a sweeping statement. Just because u don’t agree with people’s political or national views doesn’t give u the right to vilifile them
Yes, they are. All the BNP, EDL, BF voted leave (when they could work out how to make an X). Members of UKIP have been caught airing such views. It is documented fact.
But perhaps note my wording before getting worked up. I said "a lot", not "all".
And no, just because May/Rudd voted remain and are now being called racist over windrush doesn't mean that we had any. It's more likely that this scandal has been caused by incompetence and the desire to stay in power by noting which way the political wind is blowing rather than racism.
Just now you said all BNP, EDL, BF voted leave.
That's because the poster knew exactly how every single BNP, EDL, BF member voted in the referendum.
I wouldn't profess to know how they all voted. I mean some perhaps put their cross in the wrong box thinking they were playing noughts and crosses. "Scroll up, you said they all voted leave when they could work out how to make an X. | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? A bit rich coming from someone who called 17 million people nasty racists yesterday because they voted differently to them! Tolerant, you don't know the meaning of the word, HYPOCRITE.
To be fair, them being intolerant of brexiters, of whom a lot ARE openly racist, is not the same as telling black people to shut up and/or go home.
A lot of brexiters are openly racist? Excuse me but that’s quite a sweeping statement. Just because u don’t agree with people’s political or national views doesn’t give u the right to vilifile them
Yes, they are. All the BNP, EDL, BF voted leave (when they could work out how to make an X). Members of UKIP have been caught airing such views. It is documented fact.
But perhaps note my wording before getting worked up. I said "a lot", not "all".
And no, just because May/Rudd voted remain and are now being called racist over windrush doesn't mean that we had any. It's more likely that this scandal has been caused by incompetence and the desire to stay in power by noting which way the political wind is blowing rather than racism.
Just now you said all BNP, EDL, BF voted leave.
That's because the poster knew exactly how every single BNP, EDL, BF member voted in the referendum.
I wouldn't profess to know how they all voted. I mean some perhaps put their cross in the wrong box thinking they were playing noughts and crosses.
Scroll up, you said they all voted leave when they could work out how to make an X."I don't think I've ever said that everyone is a little bit racist. Perhaps you can point out where I've said that? Obviously humour about the BNP etc level of brainpower is lost on you. But yes if they voted, they voted to leave. Unless you know different of course. | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? There is a thread on Windrush. The Windrush is directly pertinent to the "hostile environment" so pertinent to this thread. No answer to my actual questions I notice. My views on Windrush, and hate crime. There is nothing defensible about any of this. It's a national disgrace, and particularly disgraceful for all parties. And every party, of whatever persuasion, should hang their heads in shame. The Guardian have been campaigning about this (Windrush) for about 6 months now, and not one party have picked this up until recently.... and now all they seem to be interested in is playing political football with it, 'he said, she said', and 'well you did this, and they did that'. Hate crime and racism is across the political spectrum. I know Leavers and Remainers that have abhorrent, racist, sexist, etc views, and choose not to mix with them. I know one or two black people that think racism is a white only problem, that people of colour cannot be racist. I choose not to mix with them. The most racist person I've ever met was a Sikh. Some years ago I was seeing a black girl. I got no abuse whatsoever from anyone I knew - of any colour. I did, however, get plenty of vile, racist abuse and threats of violence from black people, 99% of them black men, but it was nothing compared to what my girlfriend got, always from black people, including from her own family. " Thank you for the direct response. The condemnation strengthens your position as a Leaver as it gives some comfort to those of us that see both economic and social fallout from the referendum. The worry is that so few leavers do. This gives the impression of silent support for the racism that is being expressed more openly in British society. Everyone has a racial bias to a greater or lesser extent. If it is not recognised within yourself you cannot address it. I disagree that the expression and support of racism is equally distributed in political opinion though. It is predominantly, although not exclusively, an obsession of the right. It is in keeping with a "small c" conservative view of the world. Keeping things as they are/were when their nation was "great". | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? A bit rich coming from someone who called 17 million people nasty racists yesterday because they voted differently to them! Tolerant, you don't know the meaning of the word, HYPOCRITE.
To be fair, them being intolerant of brexiters, of whom a lot ARE openly racist, is not the same as telling black people to shut up and/or go home.
A lot of brexiters are openly racist? Excuse me but that’s quite a sweeping statement. Just because u don’t agree with people’s political or national views doesn’t give u the right to vilifile them
Yes, they are. All the BNP, EDL, BF voted leave (when they could work out how to make an X). Members of UKIP have been caught airing such views. It is documented fact.
But perhaps note my wording before getting worked up. I said "a lot", not "all".
And no, just because May/Rudd voted remain and are now being called racist over windrush doesn't mean that we had any. It's more likely that this scandal has been caused by incompetence and the desire to stay in power by noting which way the political wind is blowing rather than racism.
Just now you said all BNP, EDL, BF voted leave.
That's because the poster knew exactly how every single BNP, EDL, BF member voted in the referendum.
I wouldn't profess to know how they all voted. I mean some perhaps put their cross in the wrong box thinking they were playing noughts and crosses.
Scroll up, you said they all voted leave when they could work out how to make an X.
I don't think I've ever said that everyone is a little bit racist. Perhaps you can point out where I've said that?
Obviously humour about the BNP etc level of brainpower is lost on you.
But yes if they voted, they voted to leave. Unless you know different of course. "Can you please make your mind up... You've just said 'if they voted, they voted to leave' after having said 'I wouldn't profess to know how they all voted'. Were they work out how to make an X or playing noughts and crosses? Look up what you said in the "Have you ever met a “nice” Brexiter?' thread. | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. Overall hate crime is growing, against muslims, jews, Christians and the gay community in UK, France and Germany Anyone care to guess who's committing these crimes.?Leavers or Remainers? Or shall we deflect it onto muslims and justify racism because of terrorism.
Does it matter who is committing these hate crimes, besides there is no remain/leave issue in any other European country that im aware of.
Call it what you will but hate crimes are a knee jerk reaction, as i said fear of the muslim community has increased hate crime against muslims not brexit, when the IRA were active Irish pubs and businesses were vandalized as a knee jerk reaction when a bomb went off somewhere, when tensions are high in Israel/Palestine the Jewish community get targeted and so on and so on.
No one is justifying racism or hate crimes just pointing out the reason they occur and why they are rising.
In Germany hate crimes against Muslims are rising due to the influx of muslim refugees and like wise hate crimes against jews are also on the rise in Germany.
Does anyone really believe that if brexit had been rejected hate crimes would be decreasing? "Hate crimes do not rise because of immigration. They rise because of the scare stories about immigrants. A small proportion true. Most demonstrably false. The daily diet of this portrays a crisis that does not exist but then creates one. It created the environment for a Brexit referendum which used an of Syrian refugees at the border with Turkey as an argument! Racist hate crime has increased at a higher rate than any underlying trend since the referendum because some people interpret the result as implicit support for their views. Would hate crime be falling? Probably not. Terrorist attacks would and the media and social media would keep the fear up. It would not, I believe, be as high though. | |||
" Can you please make your mind up... You've just said 'if they voted, they voted to leave' after having said 'I wouldn't profess to know how they all voted'. Were they work out how to make an X or playing noughts and crosses? Look up what you said in the "Have you ever met a “nice” Brexiter?' thread." Oh please, the whole tone of that sentence was in jest, indicated by the emoji at the end. But obviously ANY attempt at sarcasm or tongue in cheek is lost on you. And I can't believe you are quibbling over this. And you're not even making a point. You're suggesting that people who support some of the most horrifically racist groups in the country, if they voted, voted any other way than to leave? Unless, as I tried to use humour to point out, they did it in error? No, I think I'll stand by that argument. All openly racist people voted to leave. And if they didn't vote it was because they were lazy or stupid racists. | |||
"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? A bit rich coming from someone who called 17 million people nasty racists yesterday because they voted differently to them! Tolerant, you don't know the meaning of the word, HYPOCRITE.
To be fair, them being intolerant of brexiters, of whom a lot ARE openly racist, is not the same as telling black people to shut up and/or go home.
A lot of brexiters are openly racist? Excuse me but that’s quite a sweeping statement. Just because u don’t agree with people’s political or national views doesn’t give u the right to vilifile them
Yes, they are. All the BNP, EDL, BF voted leave (when they could work out how to make an X). Members of UKIP have been caught airing such views. It is documented fact.
But perhaps note my wording before getting worked up. I said "a lot", not "all".
And no, just because May/Rudd voted remain and are now being called racist over windrush doesn't mean that we had any. It's more likely that this scandal has been caused by incompetence and the desire to stay in power by noting which way the political wind is blowing rather than racism.
Just now you said all BNP, EDL, BF voted leave.
That's because the poster knew exactly how every single BNP, EDL, BF member voted in the referendum.
I wouldn't profess to know how they all voted. I mean some perhaps put their cross in the wrong box thinking they were playing noughts and crosses.
Scroll up, you said they all voted leave when they could work out how to make an X.
I don't think I've ever said that everyone is a little bit racist. Perhaps you can point out where I've said that?
Obviously humour about the BNP etc level of brainpower is lost on you.
But yes if they voted, they voted to leave. Unless you know different of course.
Can you please make your mind up...
You've just said 'if they voted, they voted to leave' after having said 'I wouldn't profess to know how they all voted'.
Were they work out how to make an X or playing noughts and crosses?
Look up what you said in the "Have you ever met a “nice” Brexiter?' thread."Why are you arguing over the details? Just to win the point? Do you really not believe that someone with racist beliefs was more likely to have voted to leave? According to Runnymede Trust and the National Centre for Social Research. Not unbiased but hopefully the research was: 26% of Britons admit to being racist as did 34% of leave voters compared to 18% (there's a surprisingly high number to think about) of remain voters. Other research from the UEA identified an exact correlation between being racist and voting leave. In that case if you were racist you voted leave. However, of you had regular contact with immigrants or people from a different ethnic background you were far less likely to be racist. | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? There is a thread on Windrush. The Windrush is directly pertinent to the "hostile environment" so pertinent to this thread. No answer to my actual questions I notice. There have been answers given to your questions. Maybe Leavers unambiguously condemned it on the Windrush thread so don't feel the need to repeat it here? As May & Rudd, two Remain voters, are at the centre of this row (three if you include Cameron), it would seem only fair if you were to ask anybody who voted remain to unambiguously condemn it too. 4 if you include George Osborne. In fact most of the Conservative MP's in Cameron's government campaigned for and voted Remain. The Leave contingent were a minority of Conservative MP's during the referendum campaign. " Although, once again, unable to unambiguously condemn racism or the environment that leads to the hostile environment and its consequences. | |||
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"Not in my name thank you. I detest the slide that this country is going down. What is happening to the open, tolerant and liberal society that was the envy of the world? A bit rich coming from someone who called 17 million people nasty racists yesterday because they voted differently to them! Tolerant, you don't know the meaning of the word, HYPOCRITE.
To be fair, them being intolerant of brexiters, of whom a lot ARE openly racist, is not the same as telling black people to shut up and/or go home.
A lot of brexiters are openly racist? Excuse me but that’s quite a sweeping statement. Just because u don’t agree with people’s political or national views doesn’t give u the right to vilifile them
Yes, they are. All the BNP, EDL, BF voted leave (when they could work out how to make an X). Members of UKIP have been caught airing such views. It is documented fact.
But perhaps note my wording before getting worked up. I said "a lot", not "all".
And no, just because May/Rudd voted remain and are now being called racist over windrush doesn't mean that we had any. It's more likely that this scandal has been caused by incompetence and the desire to stay in power by noting which way the political wind is blowing rather than racism.
Just now you said all BNP, EDL, BF voted leave.
Yes, they did. Are you just confirming that or making a counterpoint? "Just curious really as to how you know they all voted leave? And even if they did I hardly think they had the combined numbers to sway the vote | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. Overall hate crime is growing, against muslims, jews, Christians and the gay community in UK, France and Germany Anyone care to guess who's committing these crimes.?Leavers or Remainers? Or shall we deflect it onto muslims and justify racism because of terrorism.
Does it matter who is committing these hate crimes, besides there is no remain/leave issue in any other European country that im aware of.
Call it what you will but hate crimes are a knee jerk reaction, as i said fear of the muslim community has increased hate crime against muslims not brexit, when the IRA were active Irish pubs and businesses were vandalized as a knee jerk reaction when a bomb went off somewhere, when tensions are high in Israel/Palestine the Jewish community get targeted and so on and so on.
No one is justifying racism or hate crimes just pointing out the reason they occur and why they are rising.
In Germany hate crimes against Muslims are rising due to the influx of muslim refugees and like wise hate crimes against jews are also on the rise in Germany.
Does anyone really believe that if brexit had been rejected hate crimes would be decreasing?
Of course it matters who is committing these race hate crimes.Racist people are committing these crimes and everyone last one them voted for brexit.They are all Leavers.Your attempt to muddy the waters by blaming muslims is absurd.The hate crimes haven't been against just Muslims now have they.Its people of colour and people from Eastern Europe."I said hate crimes have been growing against muslims, Christians, jews and gay community. And when I say it doesn't matter who is being hateful i mean it doesnt matter whether they are leave or remain voters its abhorrent regardless. As for me blaming muslims somehow when i say that hate crimes are rising againg muslims i dont get. Its ridiculous to say that all Brexiteers are racist when you cant possibly know all Brexiteers and to assume all racists voted leave as i imagine many racists have vested interests in remaining | |||
"If only we had a supernational state that could save us from our own childlike folly!. "Found on your Arron Banks 10 top quotes flyer. | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. Overall hate crime is growing, against muslims, jews, Christians and the gay community in UK, France and Germany Anyone care to guess who's committing these crimes.?Leavers or Remainers? Or shall we deflect it onto muslims and justify racism because of terrorism.
Does it matter who is committing these hate crimes, besides there is no remain/leave issue in any other European country that im aware of.
Call it what you will but hate crimes are a knee jerk reaction, as i said fear of the muslim community has increased hate crime against muslims not brexit, when the IRA were active Irish pubs and businesses were vandalized as a knee jerk reaction when a bomb went off somewhere, when tensions are high in Israel/Palestine the Jewish community get targeted and so on and so on.
No one is justifying racism or hate crimes just pointing out the reason they occur and why they are rising.
In Germany hate crimes against Muslims are rising due to the influx of muslim refugees and like wise hate crimes against jews are also on the rise in Germany.
Does anyone really believe that if brexit had been rejected hate crimes would be decreasing?
Of course it matters who is committing these race hate crimes.Racist people are committing these crimes and everyone last one them voted for brexit.They are all Leavers.Your attempt to muddy the waters by blaming muslims is absurd.The hate crimes haven't been against just Muslims now have they.Its people of colour and people from Eastern Europe.
I said hate crimes have been growing against muslims, Christians, jews and gay community. And when I say it doesn't matter who is being hateful i mean it doesnt matter whether they are leave or remain voters its abhorrent regardless.
As for me blaming muslims somehow when i say that hate crimes are rising againg muslims i dont get.
Its ridiculous to say that all Brexiteers are racist when you cant possibly know all Brexiteers and to assume all racists voted leave as i imagine many racists have vested interests in remaining "What sort of racist is in favour of immigration ?.Next you'll be saying brexit has nothing to do with immigration and the kippers never had posters of lined up immigrants waiting to get in and the media never used cartoons of rats(immigrants) sneaking through customs.Jo Cox was never murderered by a brexiter he was a remainer in this alternative reality. Every racist that could hold a crayon voted leave to say otherwise is ridiculous. | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. Overall hate crime is growing, against muslims, jews, Christians and the gay community in UK, France and Germany Anyone care to guess who's committing these crimes.?Leavers or Remainers? Or shall we deflect it onto muslims and justify racism because of terrorism.
Does it matter who is committing these hate crimes, besides there is no remain/leave issue in any other European country that im aware of.
Call it what you will but hate crimes are a knee jerk reaction, as i said fear of the muslim community has increased hate crime against muslims not brexit, when the IRA were active Irish pubs and businesses were vandalized as a knee jerk reaction when a bomb went off somewhere, when tensions are high in Israel/Palestine the Jewish community get targeted and so on and so on.
No one is justifying racism or hate crimes just pointing out the reason they occur and why they are rising.
In Germany hate crimes against Muslims are rising due to the influx of muslim refugees and like wise hate crimes against jews are also on the rise in Germany.
Does anyone really believe that if brexit had been rejected hate crimes would be decreasing?
Of course it matters who is committing these race hate crimes.Racist people are committing these crimes and everyone last one them voted for brexit.They are all Leavers.Your attempt to muddy the waters by blaming muslims is absurd.The hate crimes haven't been against just Muslims now have they.Its people of colour and people from Eastern Europe.
I said hate crimes have been growing against muslims, Christians, jews and gay community. And when I say it doesn't matter who is being hateful i mean it doesnt matter whether they are leave or remain voters its abhorrent regardless.
As for me blaming muslims somehow when i say that hate crimes are rising againg muslims i dont get.
Its ridiculous to say that all Brexiteers are racist when you cant possibly know all Brexiteers and to assume all racists voted leave as i imagine many racists have vested interests in remaining
What sort of racist is in favour of immigration ?.Next you'll be saying brexit has nothing to do with immigration and the kippers never had posters of lined up immigrants waiting to get in and the media never used cartoons of rats(immigrants) sneaking through customs.Jo Cox was never murderered by a brexiter he was a remainer in this alternative reality.
Every racist that could hold a crayon voted leave to say otherwise is ridiculous.". Now bobster take that crayon from up your nose and put it in your hand. Google Nazis and Jews and see how many Jew hating Nazis were all in favour of keeping as many Jews as possible as slave labour in the factories. You'll be surprised, there was more for keeping them for cheap labour than gassing them | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. Overall hate crime is growing, against muslims, jews, Christians and the gay community in UK, France and Germany Anyone care to guess who's committing these crimes.?Leavers or Remainers? Or shall we deflect it onto muslims and justify racism because of terrorism.
Does it matter who is committing these hate crimes, besides there is no remain/leave issue in any other European country that im aware of.
Call it what you will but hate crimes are a knee jerk reaction, as i said fear of the muslim community has increased hate crime against muslims not brexit, when the IRA were active Irish pubs and businesses were vandalized as a knee jerk reaction when a bomb went off somewhere, when tensions are high in Israel/Palestine the Jewish community get targeted and so on and so on.
No one is justifying racism or hate crimes just pointing out the reason they occur and why they are rising.
In Germany hate crimes against Muslims are rising due to the influx of muslim refugees and like wise hate crimes against jews are also on the rise in Germany.
Does anyone really believe that if brexit had been rejected hate crimes would be decreasing?
Of course it matters who is committing these race hate crimes.Racist people are committing these crimes and everyone last one them voted for brexit.They are all Leavers.Your attempt to muddy the waters by blaming muslims is absurd.The hate crimes haven't been against just Muslims now have they.Its people of colour and people from Eastern Europe.
I said hate crimes have been growing against muslims, Christians, jews and gay community. And when I say it doesn't matter who is being hateful i mean it doesnt matter whether they are leave or remain voters its abhorrent regardless.
As for me blaming muslims somehow when i say that hate crimes are rising againg muslims i dont get.
Its ridiculous to say that all Brexiteers are racist when you cant possibly know all Brexiteers and to assume all racists voted leave as i imagine many racists have vested interests in remaining "Nobody has said that all Brexiteers are racist. Saying that all (I would personally only say most) racists are Brexiteers is not the same thing at all. That is clear, right? | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. Overall hate crime is growing, against muslims, jews, Christians and the gay community in UK, France and Germany Anyone care to guess who's committing these crimes.?Leavers or Remainers? Or shall we deflect it onto muslims and justify racism because of terrorism.
Does it matter who is committing these hate crimes, besides there is no remain/leave issue in any other European country that im aware of.
Call it what you will but hate crimes are a knee jerk reaction, as i said fear of the muslim community has increased hate crime against muslims not brexit, when the IRA were active Irish pubs and businesses were vandalized as a knee jerk reaction when a bomb went off somewhere, when tensions are high in Israel/Palestine the Jewish community get targeted and so on and so on.
No one is justifying racism or hate crimes just pointing out the reason they occur and why they are rising.
In Germany hate crimes against Muslims are rising due to the influx of muslim refugees and like wise hate crimes against jews are also on the rise in Germany.
Does anyone really believe that if brexit had been rejected hate crimes would be decreasing?
Of course it matters who is committing these race hate crimes.Racist people are committing these crimes and everyone last one them voted for brexit.They are all Leavers.Your attempt to muddy the waters by blaming muslims is absurd.The hate crimes haven't been against just Muslims now have they.Its people of colour and people from Eastern Europe.
I said hate crimes have been growing against muslims, Christians, jews and gay community. And when I say it doesn't matter who is being hateful i mean it doesnt matter whether they are leave or remain voters its abhorrent regardless.
As for me blaming muslims somehow when i say that hate crimes are rising againg muslims i dont get.
Its ridiculous to say that all Brexiteers are racist when you cant possibly know all Brexiteers and to assume all racists voted leave as i imagine many racists have vested interests in remaining "Of course racists have vested interests in remaining and racists voted remain because the EU free movement of people policy is a racist policy. The EU free movement of people policy gives preferential treatment to EU citizens and discriminates against non EU citizens. This is why many black, Asian and ethnic communities voted to Leave in huge numbers because they can see EU free movement is discriminatory. Now we are leaving the EU we can put a stop to it and have a fair and equal British immigration policy that is controlled and treats everyone fairly and equally no matter where they come from in the world. | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. Overall hate crime is growing, against muslims, jews, Christians and the gay community in UK, France and Germany Anyone care to guess who's committing these crimes.?Leavers or Remainers? Or shall we deflect it onto muslims and justify racism because of terrorism.
Does it matter who is committing these hate crimes, besides there is no remain/leave issue in any other European country that im aware of.
Call it what you will but hate crimes are a knee jerk reaction, as i said fear of the muslim community has increased hate crime against muslims not brexit, when the IRA were active Irish pubs and businesses were vandalized as a knee jerk reaction when a bomb went off somewhere, when tensions are high in Israel/Palestine the Jewish community get targeted and so on and so on.
No one is justifying racism or hate crimes just pointing out the reason they occur and why they are rising.
In Germany hate crimes against Muslims are rising due to the influx of muslim refugees and like wise hate crimes against jews are also on the rise in Germany.
Does anyone really believe that if brexit had been rejected hate crimes would be decreasing?
Of course it matters who is committing these race hate crimes.Racist people are committing these crimes and everyone last one them voted for brexit.They are all Leavers.Your attempt to muddy the waters by blaming muslims is absurd.The hate crimes haven't been against just Muslims now have they.Its people of colour and people from Eastern Europe.
I said hate crimes have been growing against muslims, Christians, jews and gay community. And when I say it doesn't matter who is being hateful i mean it doesnt matter whether they are leave or remain voters its abhorrent regardless.
As for me blaming muslims somehow when i say that hate crimes are rising againg muslims i dont get.
Its ridiculous to say that all Brexiteers are racist when you cant possibly know all Brexiteers and to assume all racists voted leave as i imagine many racists have vested interests in remaining
What sort of racist is in favour of immigration ?.Next you'll be saying brexit has nothing to do with immigration and the kippers never had posters of lined up immigrants waiting to get in and the media never used cartoons of rats(immigrants) sneaking through customs.Jo Cox was never murderered by a brexiter he was a remainer in this alternative reality.
Every racist that could hold a crayon voted leave to say otherwise is ridiculous..
Now bobster take that crayon from up your nose and put it in your hand.
Google Nazis and Jews and see how many Jew hating Nazis were all in favour of keeping as many Jews as possible as slave labour in the factories.
You'll be surprised, there was more for keeping them for cheap labour than gassing them "You in the pub Dave your ramblings are a little incoherent today.Im not sure what's up your nose. So racists want foreigners to come as cheap labour.Thats some interesting logic.How come they sing "there aint not no black in the union jack send the bastards back." I'm sure you'll cobble together a response. | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. Overall hate crime is growing, against muslims, jews, Christians and the gay community in UK, France and Germany Anyone care to guess who's committing these crimes.?Leavers or Remainers? Or shall we deflect it onto muslims and justify racism because of terrorism.
Does it matter who is committing these hate crimes, besides there is no remain/leave issue in any other European country that im aware of.
Call it what you will but hate crimes are a knee jerk reaction, as i said fear of the muslim community has increased hate crime against muslims not brexit, when the IRA were active Irish pubs and businesses were vandalized as a knee jerk reaction when a bomb went off somewhere, when tensions are high in Israel/Palestine the Jewish community get targeted and so on and so on.
No one is justifying racism or hate crimes just pointing out the reason they occur and why they are rising.
In Germany hate crimes against Muslims are rising due to the influx of muslim refugees and like wise hate crimes against jews are also on the rise in Germany.
Does anyone really believe that if brexit had been rejected hate crimes would be decreasing?
Of course it matters who is committing these race hate crimes.Racist people are committing these crimes and everyone last one them voted for brexit.They are all Leavers.Your attempt to muddy the waters by blaming muslims is absurd.The hate crimes haven't been against just Muslims now have they.Its people of colour and people from Eastern Europe.
I said hate crimes have been growing against muslims, Christians, jews and gay community. And when I say it doesn't matter who is being hateful i mean it doesnt matter whether they are leave or remain voters its abhorrent regardless.
As for me blaming muslims somehow when i say that hate crimes are rising againg muslims i dont get.
Its ridiculous to say that all Brexiteers are racist when you cant possibly know all Brexiteers and to assume all racists voted leave as i imagine many racists have vested interests in remaining
What sort of racist is in favour of immigration ?.Next you'll be saying brexit has nothing to do with immigration and the kippers never had posters of lined up immigrants waiting to get in and the media never used cartoons of rats(immigrants) sneaking through customs.Jo Cox was never murderered by a brexiter he was a remainer in this alternative reality.
Every racist that could hold a crayon voted leave to say otherwise is ridiculous..
Now bobster take that crayon from up your nose and put it in your hand.
Google Nazis and Jews and see how many Jew hating Nazis were all in favour of keeping as many Jews as possible as slave labour in the factories.
You'll be surprised, there was more for keeping them for cheap labour than gassing them
You in the pub Dave your ramblings are a little incoherent today.Im not sure what's up your nose.
So racists want foreigners to come as cheap labour.Thats some interesting logic.How come they sing "there aint not no black in the union jack send the bastards back."
I'm sure you'll cobble together a response. ". Well it's Wednesday and it's past midday .... There's rules and regulations about these things bobsters | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. Overall hate crime is growing, against muslims, jews, Christians and the gay community in UK, France and Germany Anyone care to guess who's committing these crimes.?Leavers or Remainers? Or shall we deflect it onto muslims and justify racism because of terrorism.
Does it matter who is committing these hate crimes, besides there is no remain/leave issue in any other European country that im aware of.
Call it what you will but hate crimes are a knee jerk reaction, as i said fear of the muslim community has increased hate crime against muslims not brexit, when the IRA were active Irish pubs and businesses were vandalized as a knee jerk reaction when a bomb went off somewhere, when tensions are high in Israel/Palestine the Jewish community get targeted and so on and so on.
No one is justifying racism or hate crimes just pointing out the reason they occur and why they are rising.
In Germany hate crimes against Muslims are rising due to the influx of muslim refugees and like wise hate crimes against jews are also on the rise in Germany.
Does anyone really believe that if brexit had been rejected hate crimes would be decreasing?
Of course it matters who is committing these race hate crimes.Racist people are committing these crimes and everyone last one them voted for brexit.They are all Leavers.Your attempt to muddy the waters by blaming muslims is absurd.The hate crimes haven't been against just Muslims now have they.Its people of colour and people from Eastern Europe.
I said hate crimes have been growing against muslims, Christians, jews and gay community. And when I say it doesn't matter who is being hateful i mean it doesnt matter whether they are leave or remain voters its abhorrent regardless.
As for me blaming muslims somehow when i say that hate crimes are rising againg muslims i dont get.
Its ridiculous to say that all Brexiteers are racist when you cant possibly know all Brexiteers and to assume all racists voted leave as i imagine many racists have vested interests in remaining
Of course racists have vested interests in remaining and racists voted remain because the EU free movement of people policy is a racist policy. The EU free movement of people policy gives preferential treatment to EU citizens and discriminates against non EU citizens. This is why many black, Asian and ethnic communities voted to Leave in huge numbers because they can see EU free movement is discriminatory. Now we are leaving the EU we can put a stop to it and have a fair and equal British immigration policy that is controlled and treats everyone fairly and equally no matter where they come from in the world. "So, hilariously, you are claiming that voting leave was an anti-racist vote
You are claiming that the majority of individuals who are racist voted to remain?
29% Asian and 32% Black adults voted leave. There are only 3 million ethnic minority adults in the UK. So less than 90,000 voted to leave. There are about 50 million adults in total in the UK. So, only 0.18% of the population.
The ethnic minority vote for leave was significant in areas of economic deprivation which is one of the most significant correlations for voting leave regardless of ethnicity. It is a protest vote that's most likely consequence will be to increase their suffering.
Regardless, this thread is about the "hostile environment" which you've failed to address. Again
The hostile environment being extended to all foreigners which extends to non-white British people as the entire Windrush situation underlines.
Is racism bad Centaur? Will you unambiguously condemn it?
Do you think that overtly racist individuals voted in larger numbers to remain or leave? | |||
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"But your quite correct. Yes those nasty Nazis were very keen on using foreign labour as cheaply as possible just so long as they didn't mingle with them and keep to leafy white areas like Bournemouth and oxfffffordshire "Definitely down the boozer... | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. Overall hate crime is growing, against muslims, jews, Christians and the gay community in UK, France and Germany Anyone care to guess who's committing these crimes.?Leavers or Remainers? Or shall we deflect it onto muslims and justify racism because of terrorism.
Does it matter who is committing these hate crimes, besides there is no remain/leave issue in any other European country that im aware of.
Call it what you will but hate crimes are a knee jerk reaction, as i said fear of the muslim community has increased hate crime against muslims not brexit, when the IRA were active Irish pubs and businesses were vandalized as a knee jerk reaction when a bomb went off somewhere, when tensions are high in Israel/Palestine the Jewish community get targeted and so on and so on.
No one is justifying racism or hate crimes just pointing out the reason they occur and why they are rising.
In Germany hate crimes against Muslims are rising due to the influx of muslim refugees and like wise hate crimes against jews are also on the rise in Germany.
Does anyone really believe that if brexit had been rejected hate crimes would be decreasing?
Of course it matters who is committing these race hate crimes.Racist people are committing these crimes and everyone last one them voted for brexit.They are all Leavers.Your attempt to muddy the waters by blaming muslims is absurd.The hate crimes haven't been against just Muslims now have they.Its people of colour and people from Eastern Europe.
I said hate crimes have been growing against muslims, Christians, jews and gay community. And when I say it doesn't matter who is being hateful i mean it doesnt matter whether they are leave or remain voters its abhorrent regardless.
As for me blaming muslims somehow when i say that hate crimes are rising againg muslims i dont get.
Its ridiculous to say that all Brexiteers are racist when you cant possibly know all Brexiteers and to assume all racists voted leave as i imagine many racists have vested interests in remaining
Of course racists have vested interests in remaining and racists voted remain because the EU free movement of people policy is a racist policy. The EU free movement of people policy gives preferential treatment to EU citizens and discriminates against non EU citizens. This is why many black, Asian and ethnic communities voted to Leave in huge numbers because they can see EU free movement is discriminatory. Now we are leaving the EU we can put a stop to it and have a fair and equal British immigration policy that is controlled and treats everyone fairly and equally no matter where they come from in the world.
So, hilariously, you are claiming that voting leave was an anti-racist vote
You are claiming that the majority of individuals who are racist voted to remain?
29% Asian and 32% Black adults voted leave. There are only 3 million ethnic minority adults in the UK. So less than 90,000 voted to leave. There are about 50 million adults in total in the UK. So, only 0.18% of the population.
The ethnic minority vote for leave was significant in areas of economic deprivation which is one of the most significant correlations for voting leave regardless of ethnicity. It is a protest vote that's most likely consequence will be to increase their suffering.
Regardless, this thread is about the "hostile environment" which you've failed to address. Again
The hostile environment being extended to all foreigners which extends to non-white British people as the entire Windrush situation underlines.
Is racism bad Centaur? Will you unambiguously condemn it?
Do you think that overtly racist individuals voted in larger numbers to remain or leave?"You still don't seem to understand how this forum works. My post (same as my other posts on this thread) were in direct reply to someone else's comments. That's what the "reply and quote" button is for.
If you're so obsessed about staying on topic about 'Hostile environment' then maybe you should stop trying to derail the thread by going off topic about Brexit and Windrush, there are other dedicated threads for those topics. 
Furthermore nowhere in my post did I 'claim' that voting to leave was an anti racist vote.
Nowhere in my post did I 'claim' that the majority of individuals who are racist voted to remain. On both counts you're attempting to put words in my mouth when I said no such thing. I pointed out that EU free movement is a racist immigration policy and discriminates against non EU citizens, that is just a statement of fact!
I also pointed out earlier in the thread that a majority of Conservative MP's in Cameron's conservative party voted to remain, when many posters on here are constantly calling Conservatives racist. | |||
" Can you please make your mind up... You've just said 'if they voted, they voted to leave' after having said 'I wouldn't profess to know how they all voted'. Were they work out how to make an X or playing noughts and crosses? Look up what you said in the "Have you ever met a “nice” Brexiter?' thread. Oh please, the whole tone of that sentence was in jest, indicated by the emoji at the end. But obviously ANY attempt at sarcasm or tongue in cheek is lost on you. And I can't believe you are quibbling over this. And you're not even making a point. You're suggesting that people who support some of the most horrifically racist groups in the country, if they voted, voted any other way than to leave? Unless, as I tried to use humour to point out, they did it in error? No, I think I'll stand by that argument. All openly racist people voted to leave. And if they didn't vote it was because they were lazy or stupid racists. " What you are doing is using the shocking an institutionally racist treatment of the Windrush generation by the Home Office (which started way before Brexit) to score cheap points against people who voted Brexit (who made up just over half of voters), being "mostly racist", even though the two things are not linked. I imagine it's because the genuine suffering of these (mostly black) people doesn't matter to you as much as taking cheap shots at people who voted Brexit. | |||
" Can you please make your mind up... You've just said 'if they voted, they voted to leave' after having said 'I wouldn't profess to know how they all voted'. Were they work out how to make an X or playing noughts and crosses? Look up what you said in the "Have you ever met a “nice” Brexiter?' thread. Oh please, the whole tone of that sentence was in jest, indicated by the emoji at the end. But obviously ANY attempt at sarcasm or tongue in cheek is lost on you. And I can't believe you are quibbling over this. And you're not even making a point. You're suggesting that people who support some of the most horrifically racist groups in the country, if they voted, voted any other way than to leave? Unless, as I tried to use humour to point out, they did it in error? No, I think I'll stand by that argument. All openly racist people voted to leave. And if they didn't vote it was because they were lazy or stupid racists. What you are doing is using the shocking an institutionally racist treatment of the Windrush generation by the Home Office (which started way before Brexit) to score cheap points against people who voted Brexit (who made up just over half of voters), being "mostly racist", even though the two things are not linked. I imagine it's because the genuine suffering of these (mostly black) people doesn't matter to you as much as taking cheap shots at people who voted Brexit. " Ah this explains it. You said half the population on the other thread, when you meant half the voters in the referendum. And no, as I have said several times, a lot, not all of leave voters are racist. And I've said that I don't think May and Rudd are racist. But they are stupidly and incompetently presiding over a racist policy developed since 2010 in order to appease right wing Tories who may have gone to UKIP. Saying I don't care about the plight of the Windrush generation is a bit of a stretch. I don't think I've made any indication of that. It's like when people say "don't politicise that dreadful thing". Well if this isn't political, what is it? But being a self absorbed borderline sociopath I do have trouble with empathy.  | |||
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"But your quite correct. Yes those nasty Nazis were very keen on using foreign labour as cheaply as possible just so long as they didn't mingle with them and keep to leafy white areas like Bournemouth and oxfffffordshire Definitely down the boozer... ". Well at least I haven't sunk to bargain booze depths.... Yet | |||
" Can you please make your mind up... You've just said 'if they voted, they voted to leave' after having said 'I wouldn't profess to know how they all voted'. Were they work out how to make an X or playing noughts and crosses? Look up what you said in the "Have you ever met a “nice” Brexiter?' thread. Oh please, the whole tone of that sentence was in jest, indicated by the emoji at the end. But obviously ANY attempt at sarcasm or tongue in cheek is lost on you. And I can't believe you are quibbling over this. And you're not even making a point. You're suggesting that people who support some of the most horrifically racist groups in the country, if they voted, voted any other way than to leave? Unless, as I tried to use humour to point out, they did it in error? No, I think I'll stand by that argument. All openly racist people voted to leave. And if they didn't vote it was because they were lazy or stupid racists. What you are doing is using the shocking an institutionally racist treatment of the Windrush generation by the Home Office (which started way before Brexit) to score cheap points against people who voted Brexit (who made up just over half of voters), being "mostly racist", even though the two things are not linked. I imagine it's because the genuine suffering of these (mostly black) people doesn't matter to you as much as taking cheap shots at people who voted Brexit. Ah this explains it. You said half the population on the other thread, when you meant half the voters in the referendum. And no, as I have said several times, a lot, not all of leave voters are racist. And I've said that I don't think May and Rudd are racist. But they are stupidly and incompetently presiding over a racist policy developed since 2010 in order to appease right wing Tories who may have gone to UKIP. Saying I don't care about the plight of the Windrush generation is a bit of a stretch. I don't think I've made any indication of that. It's like when people say "don't politicise that dreadful thing". Well if this isn't political, what is it? But being a self absorbed borderline sociopath I do have trouble with empathy. "I don't think the tories are racist persay, heartless, cruel, total lack of empathy? Definitely! | |||
"So far I have read several replies on here implying or saying that all racists voted leave and most leave voters are racist. " No-one has said or implied any of that. You on the other hand have inferred it. | |||
"But your quite correct. Yes those nasty Nazis were very keen on using foreign labour as cheaply as possible just so long as they didn't mingle with them and keep to leafy white areas like Bournemouth and oxfffffordshire Definitely down the boozer... .
Well at least I haven't sunk to bargain booze depths.... Yet "I've never been in a bargain booze shop, any good?.I do occasionally buy a nice Rioja from lidl.We even have an aldi near our leafy suburb down here and there's a food bank nearby apparently.My kids often collect cans at school for the poor white kids that live on a sinkhole estate . | |||
"But your quite correct. Yes those nasty Nazis were very keen on using foreign labour as cheaply as possible just so long as they didn't mingle with them and keep to leafy white areas like Bournemouth and oxfffffordshire Definitely down the boozer... .
Well at least I haven't sunk to bargain booze depths.... Yet
I've never been in a bargain booze shop, any good?.I do occasionally buy a nice Rioja from lidl.We even have an aldi near our leafy suburb down here and there's a food bank nearby apparently.My kids often collect cans at school for the poor white kids that live on a sinkhole estate . "You are a racist wannabe black man lol | |||
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"So far I have read several replies on here implying or saying that all racists voted leave and most leave voters are racist. No-one has said or implied any of that. You on the other hand have inferred it. " You liar! Your first post on this thread says exactly that. This is what you wrote:- "To be fair, them being intolerant of brexiters, of whom a lot ARE openly racist, is not the same as telling black people to shut up and/or go home." To be honest, looking at this thread and some of your others - you have little or no credibility. | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? I suspect that hate crime rising is in correlation to the current mood of fear and paranoia in relation to the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terror attacks and grooming gang stories such as Rotherham and Telford. I well imagine had brexit been rejected hate crime would still be on the rise. Hate crimes are rising in France and Germany also, and probably other countries with large migrant communities. Overall hate crime is growing, against muslims, jews, Christians and the gay community in UK, France and Germany Anyone care to guess who's committing these crimes.?Leavers or Remainers? Or shall we deflect it onto muslims and justify racism because of terrorism.
Does it matter who is committing these hate crimes, besides there is no remain/leave issue in any other European country that im aware of.
Call it what you will but hate crimes are a knee jerk reaction, as i said fear of the muslim community has increased hate crime against muslims not brexit, when the IRA were active Irish pubs and businesses were vandalized as a knee jerk reaction when a bomb went off somewhere, when tensions are high in Israel/Palestine the Jewish community get targeted and so on and so on.
No one is justifying racism or hate crimes just pointing out the reason they occur and why they are rising.
In Germany hate crimes against Muslims are rising due to the influx of muslim refugees and like wise hate crimes against jews are also on the rise in Germany.
Does anyone really believe that if brexit had been rejected hate crimes would be decreasing?
Of course it matters who is committing these race hate crimes.Racist people are committing these crimes and everyone last one them voted for brexit.They are all Leavers.Your attempt to muddy the waters by blaming muslims is absurd.The hate crimes haven't been against just Muslims now have they.Its people of colour and people from Eastern Europe.
I said hate crimes have been growing against muslims, Christians, jews and gay community. And when I say it doesn't matter who is being hateful i mean it doesnt matter whether they are leave or remain voters its abhorrent regardless.
As for me blaming muslims somehow when i say that hate crimes are rising againg muslims i dont get.
Its ridiculous to say that all Brexiteers are racist when you cant possibly know all Brexiteers and to assume all racists voted leave as i imagine many racists have vested interests in remaining
Of course racists have vested interests in remaining and racists voted remain because the EU free movement of people policy is a racist policy. The EU free movement of people policy gives preferential treatment to EU citizens and discriminates against non EU citizens. This is why many black, Asian and ethnic communities voted to Leave in huge numbers because they can see EU free movement is discriminatory. Now we are leaving the EU we can put a stop to it and have a fair and equal British immigration policy that is controlled and treats everyone fairly and equally no matter where they come from in the world.
So, hilariously, you are claiming that voting leave was an anti-racist vote
You are claiming that the majority of individuals who are racist voted to remain?
29% Asian and 32% Black adults voted leave. There are only 3 million ethnic minority adults in the UK. So less than 90,000 voted to leave. There are about 50 million adults in total in the UK. So, only 0.18% of the population.
The ethnic minority vote for leave was significant in areas of economic deprivation which is one of the most significant correlations for voting leave regardless of ethnicity. It is a protest vote that's most likely consequence will be to increase their suffering.
Regardless, this thread is about the "hostile environment" which you've failed to address. Again
The hostile environment being extended to all foreigners which extends to non-white British people as the entire Windrush situation underlines.
Is racism bad Centaur? Will you unambiguously condemn it?
Do you think that overtly racist individuals voted in larger numbers to remain or leave?
You still don't seem to understand how this forum works. My post (same as my other posts on this thread) were in direct reply to someone else's comments. That's what the "reply and quote" button is for.
If you're so obsessed about staying on topic about 'Hostile environment' then maybe you should stop trying to derail the thread by going off topic about Brexit and Windrush, there are other dedicated threads for those topics.
Furthermore nowhere in my post did I 'claim' that voting to leave was an anti racist vote.
Nowhere in my post did I 'claim' that the majority of individuals who are racist voted to remain. On both counts you're attempting to put words in my mouth when I said no such thing. I pointed out that EU free movement is a racist immigration policy and discriminates against non EU citizens, that is just a statement of fact!
I also pointed out earlier in the thread that a majority of Conservative MP's in Cameron's conservative party voted to remain, when many posters on here are constantly calling Conservatives racist. "Wow. You absolutely cannot find any way to acknowledge any other information than you wish to take in. At least that's consistent
You really have not heard of or can see any link between the discussion about the the hostile environment to immigrants and the deportation and threatened deportation and prevention of returning people who came as children to the UK on the Empire Windrush due to the change in the immigration policy? Not in any of your "multiple sources" of information?
Your quote:
"Of course racists have vested interests in remaining and racists voted remain...Now we are leaving the EU we can put a stop to it and have a fair and equal British immigration policy that is controlled and treats everyone fairly and equally no matter where they come from in the world"
I did not say that most racists voted for remain. I actually posted the statistic that indicated that some did. I said it was funny that you were implying that leave was an anti-racist vote.
Do you think, that most racists did vote for Brexit or not? The point is that if you are not racist and voted leave you should shout the loudest against them.
Is racism unambiguously a bad thing Centaur? Such an easy question. Some leave voters on this thread have stepped up.
The requirement for the free movement of EU does not require that any country prevents immigration from anywhere else. In fact the UK has consistently had higher levels of non-EU immigration rather implies that a racist policy is not being applied. However, as you well know, the argument for free EU movement is an economic one to go with the movement of goods, services and capitol.
I agree with you that the Conservative party and the majority of its MPs are not racist. They have, however, taken an anti-immigrant stance which is causing hardship to people who have lived in this country for half a century. Back to the hostile environment and Windrush Do you disagree? | |||
"So far I have read several replies on here implying or saying that all racists voted leave and most leave voters are racist. No-one has said or implied any of that. You on the other hand have inferred it. You liar! Your first post on this thread says exactly that. This is what you wrote:- "To be fair, them being intolerant of brexiters, of whom a lot ARE openly racist, is not the same as telling black people to shut up and/or go home." To be honest, looking at this thread and some of your others - you have little or no credibility." Not to mention the comment that all BNP, BF etc all voted leave, though its possible none of their members are racists. | |||
" Can you please make your mind up... You've just said 'if they voted, they voted to leave' after having said 'I wouldn't profess to know how they all voted'. Were they work out how to make an X or playing noughts and crosses? Look up what you said in the "Have you ever met a “nice” Brexiter?' thread. Oh please, the whole tone of that sentence was in jest, indicated by the emoji at the end. But obviously ANY attempt at sarcasm or tongue in cheek is lost on you. And I can't believe you are quibbling over this. And you're not even making a point. You're suggesting that people who support some of the most horrifically racist groups in the country, if they voted, voted any other way than to leave? Unless, as I tried to use humour to point out, they did it in error? No, I think I'll stand by that argument. All openly racist people voted to leave. And if they didn't vote it was because they were lazy or stupid racists. What you are doing is using the shocking an institutionally racist treatment of the Windrush generation by the Home Office (which started way before Brexit) to score cheap points against people who voted Brexit (who made up just over half of voters), being "mostly racist", even though the two things are not linked. I imagine it's because the genuine suffering of these (mostly black) people doesn't matter to you as much as taking cheap shots at people who voted Brexit. Ah this explains it. You said half the population on the other thread, when you meant half the voters in the referendum. And no, as I have said several times, a lot, not all of leave voters are racist. And I've said that I don't think May and Rudd are racist. But they are stupidly and incompetently presiding over a racist policy developed since 2010 in order to appease right wing Tories who may have gone to UKIP. Saying I don't care about the plight of the Windrush generation is a bit of a stretch. I don't think I've made any indication of that. It's like when people say "don't politicise that dreadful thing". Well if this isn't political, what is it? But being a self absorbed borderline sociopath I do have trouble with empathy. "Unbelievable! May and Rudd have presided over an openly racist immigration policy at the Home office, but you "don't think they are racist". I would say that the use of racism as a political tool when you have political power is much worse than some numbskull at his EDL march with 5 of his dickhead mates, they will change absolutely nothing. You simply can't get your head around the fact that some remainers are also racist, can you? Your willingness to excuse them shows that you can have the most abhorrent views, but because you voted remain, some people will assume that you must be nice. | |||
"So far I have read several replies on here implying or saying that all racists voted leave and most leave voters are racist. No-one has said or implied any of that. You on the other hand have inferred it. You liar! Your first post on this thread says exactly that. This is what you wrote:- "To be fair, them being intolerant of brexiters, of whom a lot ARE openly racist, is not the same as telling black people to shut up and/or go home." To be honest, looking at this thread and some of your others - you have little or no credibility. Not to mention the comment that all BNP, BF etc all voted leave, though its possible none of their members are racists. " "its possible none of the members of the BNP and bf are racists."Thats pure Bullshit of the highest order. | |||
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"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration?" Maybe that's true in England but not up here in Scotland | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? " If you don't think my posts have wholly condemned it, then you appear not to be able to read very well. Again, the "Hostile Environment" policy came into effect long before Brexit was mooted seriously by anyone other than UKIP, this debate really shouldn't be about fucking Brexit (again), but should be about an openly racist immigration policy administered under the current prime minister (when she was home secretary) and Amber Rudd. To sideline the actual topic and somehow attempt to link it to hate crimes amongst the populace since Brexit happened is utterly disrespectful to the victims of a policy that has been going on for years. | |||
"So far I have read several replies on here implying or saying that all racists voted leave and most leave voters are racist. No-one has said or implied any of that. You on the other hand have inferred it. You liar! Your first post on this thread says exactly that. This is what you wrote:- "To be fair, them being intolerant of brexiters, of whom a lot ARE openly racist, is not the same as telling black people to shut up and/or go home." To be honest, looking at this thread and some of your others - you have little or no credibility. Not to mention the comment that all BNP, BF etc all voted leave, though its possible none of their members are racists. "its possible none of the members of the BNP and bf are racists."Thats pure Bullshit of the highest order. "I was being tongue in cheek, as someone had said all BNP, BF voted leave, then same person said that no one had implied that all racists voted leave/leave voters racist | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? Maybe that's true in England but not up here in Scotland " Are you talking about hate crime? I believe you are correct. It apparently fell after the referendum vote in which Scotland voted to remain by a very wide margin. Apparently there is no correlation though. Apparently | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? If you don't think my posts have wholly condemned it, then you appear not to be able to read very well. Again, the "Hostile Environment" policy came into effect long before Brexit was mooted seriously by anyone other than UKIP, this debate really shouldn't be about fucking Brexit (again), but should be about an openly racist immigration policy administered under the current prime minister (when she was home secretary) and Amber Rudd. To sideline the actual topic and somehow attempt to link it to hate crimes amongst the populace since Brexit happened is utterly disrespectful to the victims of a policy that has been going on for years. " Personally I think, like a lot of things, it's incompetence rather than conspiracy. I think that it was political opportunism and or panic spun out of control. It's the result of a system which has taken away the ability of immigration staff to make independent, pragmatic decisions based on their knowledge and experience. It's become a tick box system pursuing an arbitrary target devoid of humanity. Openly racist? I don't think so. Openly stupid and nasty? I do think so. That's a subjective opinion of course. | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? If you don't think my posts have wholly condemned it, then you appear not to be able to read very well. Again, the "Hostile Environment" policy came into effect long before Brexit was mooted seriously by anyone other than UKIP, this debate really shouldn't be about fucking Brexit (again), but should be about an openly racist immigration policy administered under the current prime minister (when she was home secretary) and Amber Rudd. To sideline the actual topic and somehow attempt to link it to hate crimes amongst the populace since Brexit happened is utterly disrespectful to the victims of a policy that has been going on for years. Personally I think, like a lot of things, it's incompetence rather than conspiracy. I think that it was political opportunism and or panic spun out of control. It's the result of a system which has taken away the ability of immigration staff to make independent, pragmatic decisions based on their knowledge and experience. It's become a tick box system pursuing an arbitrary target devoid of humanity. Openly racist? I don't think so. Openly stupid and nasty? I do think so. That's a subjective opinion of course." Well, it only targets black people currently, although it is mooted there will be a next "wave" affecting people from the Indian subcontinent. What is that if not racist? | |||
"Interesting that no Leave supporters have unambiguously condemned or even criticised the "hostile environment" intent from any colour of government. None have condemned the consequences of this policy or even criticised it with respect to Windrush. Anybody? Hate crime has increased significantly since the referendum vote. Would anybody who voted leave care to unambiguously condemn that or even acknowledge it? Is it possible to acknowledge that those who voted leave do find themselves on the same side as racists however unwillingly? How are you differentiating yourself? What Is the Brexit that you want with respect to immigration? If you don't think my posts have wholly condemned it, then you appear not to be able to read very well. Again, the "Hostile Environment" policy came into effect long before Brexit was mooted seriously by anyone other than UKIP, this debate really shouldn't be about fucking Brexit (again), but should be about an openly racist immigration policy administered under the current prime minister (when she was home secretary) and Amber Rudd. To sideline the actual topic and somehow attempt to link it to hate crimes amongst the populace since Brexit happened is utterly disrespectful to the victims of a policy that has been going on for years. Personally I think, like a lot of things, it's incompetence rather than conspiracy. I think that it was political opportunism and or panic spun out of control. It's the result of a system which has taken away the ability of immigration staff to make independent, pragmatic decisions based on their knowledge and experience. It's become a tick box system pursuing an arbitrary target devoid of humanity. Openly racist? I don't think so. Openly stupid and nasty? I do think so. That's a subjective opinion of course. Well, it only targets black people currently, although it is mooted there will be a next "wave" affecting people from the Indian subcontinent. What is that if not racist?" It has also been screwing EU citizens. I guess it depends on if people were targeted because of their ethnicity or because they were the easiest rote to achieve a meaningless target. I think the latter. Any immigration policy is technically racist of course, but that's an aside. | |||
"So far I have read several replies on here implying or saying that all racists voted leave and most leave voters are racist. No-one has said or implied any of that. You on the other hand have inferred it. You liar! Your first post on this thread says exactly that. This is what you wrote:- "To be fair, them being intolerant of brexiters, of whom a lot ARE openly racist, is not the same as telling black people to shut up and/or go home." To be honest, looking at this thread and some of your others - you have little or no credibility. Not to mention the comment that all BNP, BF etc all voted leave, though its possible none of their members are racists. " It's possible that none of their members are racists. Just like it's possible that I'll get struck by lightning twice today. But I will stand by what I said. All racists who voted (like those in the aforesaid groups), voted to leave. At no point have I ever said that MOST leave voters are racist, as you say I did. Never. Not once. Not even in the bit you quoted. I'm being forced to defend myself because you can't read. | |||
"The Home Secretaries who initiated and then decided to increase its hostility to immigrants were awful people, who were 'leaders' in their areas. One still is a 'leader', as she's the Prime Minister. These people deserve what they get, if they fail in politics. But wasn't she doing what the people wanted? They promise to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands - this is how they hope to do it - but what message does it give to the world? " I think they stimulated the desires to reduce immigration, by provoking fears etc - but the population would have been better to be educated instead. Potentially both Home Secretaries would have educated themselves of the catastrophic realities they were creating for thousands of vulnerable people. Their complicit causation of this mess is unforgivable - people made homeless, denied urgent cancer care etc. They stimulated the baying mobs but had the fuller picture - if they chose this in ignorance, they were incompetent and if they knowingly did this, they are abhorrent for inflicting pain, suffering and loss of lives. Not to mention that the UK taxpayer must now pay compensation. | |||
