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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Do they really think that the market can sustain sales figures year after year?
They have enjoyed boosted sales over the last few years and act all surprised when they fail off.
I have bought 2 vans in the last 5 years the currant one is now 3 years old and they have been trying to get me to chop it in for a new one this years but to be honest it’s only got 99,000 miles on my the clock so will not be replacing it this year.
So that’s at least one less sale this year |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Contract workers contracts not being renewed unfortunately.
But continuing to recruit large numbers of engineers and apprentices.
And yes uncertanty over brexit is a factor, its more about the new rules over diesel cars and the taxes levied.
And apparently 90% of sales are diesel.
So a lot of catching up to do on that score. |
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"A small price to pay for the greater picture. Most brexiters are comfortable with much greater job losses for freedom!  "
Much greater job losses? That remains a Remainer fantasy as the 500,000 job losses the remain campaign predicted after a leave vote have not materialised. When you look at the economy overall an additional 250,000 new jobs have been created in the UK economy since the vote to leave the EU in June 2016, employment levels are at their highest now since the 1970's and unemployment is at an all time historic low in this country. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Blaming continuing headwinds in the car industry and Brexit.
No surprise there then! "
you forgot to paint the full picture, seems you only want to put your own view on things.
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what they said was this;
Jaguar Land Rover says it will not be renewing the contracts of 1,000 temporary workers at two factories.
.
"temporary workers at two factories"
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It said it was continuing to recruit large numbers of engineers and apprentices and it remained committed to its UK plants.
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a lot of industries cut contract employees, you do note they also stated this;
it was continuing to recruit large numbers of engineers and apprentices and it remained committed to its UK plants |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"Blaming continuing headwinds in the car industry and Brexit.
No surprise there then!
you forgot to paint the full picture, seems you only want to put your own view on things.
.
what they said was this;
Jaguar Land Rover says it will not be renewing the contracts of 1,000 temporary workers at two factories.
.
"temporary workers at two factories"
.
It said it was continuing to recruit large numbers of engineers and apprentices and it remained committed to its UK plants.
.
a lot of industries cut contract employees, you do note they also stated this;
it was continuing to recruit large numbers of engineers and apprentices and it remained committed to its UK plants"
They will only say what fits in with their rhetoric. |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Blaming continuing headwinds in the car industry and Brexit.
No surprise there then!
you forgot to paint the full picture, seems you only want to put your own view on things.
.
what they said was this;
Jaguar Land Rover says it will not be renewing the contracts of 1,000 temporary workers at two factories.
.
"temporary workers at two factories"
.
It said it was continuing to recruit large numbers of engineers and apprentices and it remained committed to its UK plants.
.
a lot of industries cut contract employees, you do note they also stated this;
it was continuing to recruit large numbers of engineers and apprentices and it remained committed to its UK plants
They will only say what fits in with their rhetoric."
Why do you go and stand at the gate as the works get their last pay cheques?
You might get 1,000 knuckle sandwiches |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Blaming continuing headwinds in the car industry and Brexit.
No surprise there then!
you forgot to paint the full picture, seems you only want to put your own view on things.
.
what they said was this;
Jaguar Land Rover says it will not be renewing the contracts of 1,000 temporary workers at two factories.
.
"temporary workers at two factories"
.
It said it was continuing to recruit large numbers of engineers and apprentices and it remained committed to its UK plants.
.
a lot of industries cut contract employees, you do note they also stated this;
it was continuing to recruit large numbers of engineers and apprentices and it remained committed to its UK plants
They will only say what fits in with their rhetoric.
Why do you go and stand at the gate as the works get their last pay cheques?
You might get 1,000 knuckle sandwiches "
I worked as a contractor for a good few years offshore, totally aware that there may not be a job after the contract runs out
I choose to go company employed (staff position) my choice & less money, but perks of pension etc
if you want to work as contract staff, you need to be prepared for "end of contract" and not expect a job at the end of it |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Blaming continuing headwinds in the car industry and Brexit.
No surprise there then!
you forgot to paint the full picture, seems you only want to put your own view on things.
.
what they said was this;
Jaguar Land Rover says it will not be renewing the contracts of 1,000 temporary workers at two factories.
.
"temporary workers at two factories"
.
It said it was continuing to recruit large numbers of engineers and apprentices and it remained committed to its UK plants.
.
a lot of industries cut contract employees, you do note they also stated this;
it was continuing to recruit large numbers of engineers and apprentices and it remained committed to its UK plants
They will only say what fits in with their rhetoric.
Why do you go and stand at the gate as the works get their last pay cheques?
You might get 1,000 knuckle sandwiches
I worked as a contractor for a good few years offshore, totally aware that there may not be a job after the contract runs out
I choose to go company employed (staff position) my choice & less money, but perks of pension etc
if you want to work as contract staff, you need to be prepared for "end of contract" and not expect a job at the end of it"
And if you are forced to take a contract job? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Blaming continuing headwinds in the car industry and Brexit.
No surprise there then!
you forgot to paint the full picture, seems you only want to put your own view on things.
.
what they said was this;
Jaguar Land Rover says it will not be renewing the contracts of 1,000 temporary workers at two factories.
.
"temporary workers at two factories"
.
It said it was continuing to recruit large numbers of engineers and apprentices and it remained committed to its UK plants.
.
a lot of industries cut contract employees, you do note they also stated this;
it was continuing to recruit large numbers of engineers and apprentices and it remained committed to its UK plants
They will only say what fits in with their rhetoric.
Why do you go and stand at the gate as the works get their last pay cheques?
You might get 1,000 knuckle sandwiches
I worked as a contractor for a good few years offshore, totally aware that there may not be a job after the contract runs out
I choose to go company employed (staff position) my choice & less money, but perks of pension etc
if you want to work as contract staff, you need to be prepared for "end of contract" and not expect a job at the end of it
And if you are forced to take a contract job? "
forced!#
no one is forced to do anything |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Blaming continuing headwinds in the car industry and Brexit.
No surprise there then!
you forgot to paint the full picture, seems you only want to put your own view on things.
.
what they said was this;
Jaguar Land Rover says it will not be renewing the contracts of 1,000 temporary workers at two factories.
.
"temporary workers at two factories"
.
It said it was continuing to recruit large numbers of engineers and apprentices and it remained committed to its UK plants.
.
a lot of industries cut contract employees, you do note they also stated this;
it was continuing to recruit large numbers of engineers and apprentices and it remained committed to its UK plants
They will only say what fits in with their rhetoric.
Why do you go and stand at the gate as the works get their last pay cheques?
You might get 1,000 knuckle sandwiches
I worked as a contractor for a good few years offshore, totally aware that there may not be a job after the contract runs out
I choose to go company employed (staff position) my choice & less money, but perks of pension etc
if you want to work as contract staff, you need to be prepared for "end of contract" and not expect a job at the end of it
And if you are forced to take a contract job?
forced!#
no one is forced to do anything"
Yeah, in your world maybe. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It’s just the life of a contractor, I’m a self employed courier and have a regular contract but am fully aware that someone could come and undercut me and hey presto gone 
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It is obscene for anyone to derive any pleasure from people losing there jobs, maybe there homes as well. Families under severe stress and financial pressures...Point scoring is in a case like this juvenile at best. Oh and i voted to remain .  |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"It is obscene for anyone to derive any pleasure from people losing there jobs, maybe there homes as well. Families under severe stress and financial pressures...Point scoring is in a case like this juvenile at best. Oh and i voted to remain . "
It's not about deriving pleasure, it's pointing out that the negative effects to the people who voted for people to lose their jobs, to put families under severe stress and financial pressure. Oh how they cheered when the results came in, knowing full well that this would be the outcome. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
Hmmm, where to start on this one?
JLR will make its 2018-19 production plans available to its workforce on Monday, so no job cuts have been announced as of yet. However, insiders are sure that expensive agency workers will be let go, and engineers moved between Castle Bromwich and Solihull to plug gaps.
So easy to blame Brexit, and there is a small element that customer confidence is low, as the country gets ready to re-adjust, but the real problem is their product.
JLR's UK output is 90% diesel. The same diesel that is now being demonised, and as such, sales are down 35% in the first quarter of this year. Goverment action on CO2 and clean air is now biting. Punitive tax regimes and confusing messages are now making diesel cars very unattractive to buy. Various UK cities have plans to introduce diesel taxes and higher parking charges for diesels. One consequence of this, is resale and trade in values, are falling rapidly.
JLR have been slow to read the messages and adapt. They have a German CEO in the UK, and the Germans are particularly fond of their diesel cars. Contrast this with their Chinese output, where it is totally petrol. Sales to the USA are predominately petrol as well.
JLR continues to recruit and build on its success. It has ambitious investment plans in the UK and whilst its easy for them to put Brexit in the headlines, its actually their product which has led to this readjustment in production.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hmmm, where to start on this one?
JLR will make its 2018-19 production plans available to its workforce on Monday, so no job cuts have been announced as of yet. However, insiders are sure that expensive agency workers will be let go, and engineers moved between Castle Bromwich and Solihull to plug gaps.
So easy to blame Brexit, and there is a small element that customer confidence is low, as the country gets ready to re-adjust, but the real problem is their product.
JLR's UK output is 90% diesel. The same diesel that is now being demonised, and as such, sales are down 35% in the first quarter of this year. Goverment action on CO2 and clean air is now biting. Punitive tax regimes and confusing messages are now making diesel cars very unattractive to buy. Various UK cities have plans to introduce diesel taxes and higher parking charges for diesels. One consequence of this, is resale and trade in values, are falling rapidly.
JLR have been slow to read the messages and adapt. They have a German CEO in the UK, and the Germans are particularly fond of their diesel cars. Contrast this with their Chinese output, where it is totally petrol. Sales to the USA are predominately petrol as well.
JLR continues to recruit and build on its success. It has ambitious investment plans in the UK and whilst its easy for them to put Brexit in the headlines, its actually their product which has led to this readjustment in production.
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Just stop production of diesel cars. Build more petrol, hybrids or electric. Simple business strategy. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Hmmm, where to start on this one?
JLR will make its 2018-19 production plans available to its workforce on Monday, so no job cuts have been announced as of yet. However, insiders are sure that expensive agency workers will be let go, and engineers moved between Castle Bromwich and Solihull to plug gaps.
So easy to blame Brexit, and there is a small element that customer confidence is low, as the country gets ready to re-adjust, but the real problem is their product.
JLR's UK output is 90% diesel. The same diesel that is now being demonised, and as such, sales are down 35% in the first quarter of this year. Goverment action on CO2 and clean air is now biting. Punitive tax regimes and confusing messages are now making diesel cars very unattractive to buy. Various UK cities have plans to introduce diesel taxes and higher parking charges for diesels. One consequence of this, is resale and trade in values, are falling rapidly.
JLR have been slow to read the messages and adapt. They have a German CEO in the UK, and the Germans are particularly fond of their diesel cars. Contrast this with their Chinese output, where it is totally petrol. Sales to the USA are predominately petrol as well.
JLR continues to recruit and build on its success. It has ambitious investment plans in the UK and whilst its easy for them to put Brexit in the headlines, its actually their product which has led to this readjustment in production.
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Diesel is still the best option for reducing CO2 and the Euro6 diesel rules are very robust. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Blaming continuing headwinds in the car industry and Brexit.
No surprise there then! "
The motor manufacturing industry has always been cyclical. It is hardly surprising that sales have fallen from all time high. On a simplistic basis the market is flooded with new vehicles. Doubts about diesel emissions have also dampened the market.
The workers concerned are contract workers whose contracts are not being renewed. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Hmmm, where to start on this one?
JLR will make its 2018-19 production plans available to its workforce on Monday, so no job cuts have been announced as of yet. However, insiders are sure that expensive agency workers will be let go, and engineers moved between Castle Bromwich and Solihull to plug gaps.
So easy to blame Brexit, and there is a small element that customer confidence is low, as the country gets ready to re-adjust, but the real problem is their product.
JLR's UK output is 90% diesel. The same diesel that is now being demonised, and as such, sales are down 35% in the first quarter of this year. Goverment action on CO2 and clean air is now biting. Punitive tax regimes and confusing messages are now making diesel cars very unattractive to buy. Various UK cities have plans to introduce diesel taxes and higher parking charges for diesels. One consequence of this, is resale and trade in values, are falling rapidly.
JLR have been slow to read the messages and adapt. They have a German CEO in the UK, and the Germans are particularly fond of their diesel cars. Contrast this with their Chinese output, where it is totally petrol. Sales to the USA are predominately petrol as well.
JLR continues to recruit and build on its success. It has ambitious investment plans in the UK and whilst its easy for them to put Brexit in the headlines, its actually their product which has led to this readjustment in production.
Diesel is still the best option for reducing CO2 and the Euro6 diesel rules are very robust. "
Agreed. But people are now seeing diesel as being socially unacceptable. Diesel engines aren't the problem, as they are designed to do a specific job, it's the fuel. Cleaner diesel fuel is certainly one answer, as is looking at electric for delivery vehicles. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Hmmm, where to start on this one?
JLR will make its 2018-19 production plans available to its workforce on Monday, so no job cuts have been announced as of yet. However, insiders are sure that expensive agency workers will be let go, and engineers moved between Castle Bromwich and Solihull to plug gaps.
So easy to blame Brexit, and there is a small element that customer confidence is low, as the country gets ready to re-adjust, but the real problem is their product.
JLR's UK output is 90% diesel. The same diesel that is now being demonised, and as such, sales are down 35% in the first quarter of this year. Goverment action on CO2 and clean air is now biting. Punitive tax regimes and confusing messages are now making diesel cars very unattractive to buy. Various UK cities have plans to introduce diesel taxes and higher parking charges for diesels. One consequence of this, is resale and trade in values, are falling rapidly.
JLR have been slow to read the messages and adapt. They have a German CEO in the UK, and the Germans are particularly fond of their diesel cars. Contrast this with their Chinese output, where it is totally petrol. Sales to the USA are predominately petrol as well.
JLR continues to recruit and build on its success. It has ambitious investment plans in the UK and whilst its easy for them to put Brexit in the headlines, its actually their product which has led to this readjustment in production.
Diesel is still the best option for reducing CO2 and the Euro6 diesel rules are very robust.
Agreed. But people are now seeing diesel as being socially unacceptable. Diesel engines aren't the problem, as they are designed to do a specific job, it's the fuel. Cleaner diesel fuel is certainly one answer, as is looking at electric for delivery vehicles."
But Diesel engines are designed to use diesel fuel and the Euro 6 rules have massively reduced the pollutants that come out of the exhaust. Selective catalyst and the quite remarkable Ad Blue have made new diesels very, very clean. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Diesels are so clean VW found it necessary to fiddle emission outputs
There has not been the advance in Diesel engines manufacturers promised
Some of you must wait fingers poised to get the anti brexit digs in
Some of you just love it . You want failure! Try an open mind for a change |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Blaming continuing headwinds in the car industry and Brexit.
No surprise there then!
you forgot to paint the full picture, seems you only want to put your own view on things.
.
what they said was this;
Jaguar Land Rover says it will not be renewing the contracts of 1,000 temporary workers at two factories.
.
"temporary workers at two factories"
.
It said it was continuing to recruit large numbers of engineers and apprentices and it remained committed to its UK plants.
.
a lot of industries cut contract employees, you do note they also stated this;
it was continuing to recruit large numbers of engineers and apprentices and it remained committed to its UK plants
They will only say what fits in with their rhetoric.
Why do you go and stand at the gate as the works get their last pay cheques?
You might get 1,000 knuckle sandwiches
I worked as a contractor for a good few years offshore, totally aware that there may not be a job after the contract runs out
I choose to go company employed (staff position) my choice & less money, but perks of pension etc
if you want to work as contract staff, you need to be prepared for "end of contract" and not expect a job at the end of it
And if you are forced to take a contract job?
forced!#
no one is forced to do anything"
You're right, nobody is forced. That said if you're told you cannot be company recruited, but they'll give you a temp contract, snd then only foreseeable option after that is welfare, what do you choose?
You've got to feel pretty confident in your skills and labour value to hold out for longer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hmmm, where to start on this one?
JLR will make its 2018-19 production plans available to its workforce on Monday, so no job cuts have been announced as of yet. However, insiders are sure that expensive agency workers will be let go, and engineers moved between Castle Bromwich and Solihull to plug gaps.
So easy to blame Brexit, and there is a small element that customer confidence is low, as the country gets ready to re-adjust, but the real problem is their product.
JLR's UK output is 90% diesel. The same diesel that is now being demonised, and as such, sales are down 35% in the first quarter of this year. Goverment action on CO2 and clean air is now biting. Punitive tax regimes and confusing messages are now making diesel cars very unattractive to buy. Various UK cities have plans to introduce diesel taxes and higher parking charges for diesels. One consequence of this, is resale and trade in values, are falling rapidly.
JLR have been slow to read the messages and adapt. They have a German CEO in the UK, and the Germans are particularly fond of their diesel cars. Contrast this with their Chinese output, where it is totally petrol. Sales to the USA are predominately petrol as well.
JLR continues to recruit and build on its success. It has ambitious investment plans in the UK and whilst its easy for them to put Brexit in the headlines, its actually their product which has led to this readjustment in production.
Diesel is still the best option for reducing CO2 and the Euro6 diesel rules are very robust.
Agreed. But people are now seeing diesel as being socially unacceptable. Diesel engines aren't the problem, as they are designed to do a specific job, it's the fuel. Cleaner diesel fuel is certainly one answer, as is looking at electric for delivery vehicles."
To paraphrase Elon Musk, 'Easiest way not to get taxed on emmisions? Don't have them' |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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I find this amazing. If you go to the JLR site. it states sales in the UK are up 16% on last year with a strong 4th quarter. They seem to be blaming the political landscape and not their business model in engineering terms as consumer demand seems strong. They are cost cutting and justifying it, end of. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
All UK car sales have fallen substantially since the Brexit vote. 5.6%
German car sales have risen. 2.6% as has the rest of Europe.
GDP was maintained due to debt as people kept spending despite wages falling relative to costs.
It is now a tipping point. There is less and less of an obvious benefit from Brexit being apparent.Consumer confidence is flagging.
JLR does have a big diesel bias which needs fixing.
They quoted both Brexit and diesel sales as factors. Both true.Brexit
Let's be clear, JLR are actually preparing to shift production to a new plant in Slovakia. This is a precursor to that. Over the next decade or so there will be a factory closure in the UK. Those are the timescales over which the outcomes of Brexit Will play out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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don't panic .... the brextremists predicted that waves of patriotic souls will be falling over each other in the scramble to buy JLR products in the domestic market any day now, thus saving the auto industry by the end of May |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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JLR have invested billions in the West Midlands .new engine plant at Wolverhampton , solihull plant must of been virtually rebuilt . New technology’s come on line less need for the human touch . Doubts have been placed on diesels from various sources , this is source of job loses
Over the next few years millions of jobs will be lost to new technologies
You will all be lining up to pick plums ffs |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"JLR have invested billions in the West Midlands .new engine plant at Wolverhampton , solihull plant must of been virtually rebuilt . New technology’s come on line less need for the human touch . Doubts have been placed on diesels from various sources , this is source of job loses
Over the next few years millions of jobs will be lost to new technologies
You will all be lining up to pick plums ffs"
JLR had to build an engine plant as they were buying them from Ford.
They can shift to petrol but they, are way behind the curve on electric investment. They are struggling with the cash flow to do what they need to because the poor build quality and subsequent high warranty costs. VW and BMW and Mercedes are injecting billions that they have in the bank. Even Renault is ahead of the game.
You are correct though that the cheap EU labour will be replaced by technology not UK jobs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have friends who work for JLR and they agree the reasons are pretty much the same as when Rover went under.
Cars are unreliable and poorly built with lack of investment in key areas such as design, as we have seen on the face lift XF and XJ models, the most lazy design since the 911 except with that the saying if it's not broke don't fix it applies.
BUT Probably the main reason for the layoffs is that unskilled workers are being paid wages that are far too high and unsustainable for any organisation to continue with.
Part of my current role is to cut costs within the construction industry, and know only too well about the mistakes JLR have made with their last plant upgrades £££.
As a proud English man who loves cars I would love to see car production boom once more.
BUT with my professional head on car production in UK is just not sustainable or even viable, it is coming to an end with the obvious exception of the more bespoke brands Bentley, Rolls Royce etc whom for being British (or at least British built) is what allows them to have a foreign market.
So really I should say mass car production in the UK is doomed in the 10yrs or so mainly for the reason above cost of labour.
I know most who work in these car plants will disagree with me, but then if my livelyhood was a threat so would be saying Lee you don't have a clue! But unfortunately as I said it's my job to cut costs and more unfortunately I do have a clue. |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Diesels are so clean VW found it necessary to fiddle emission outputs
There has not been the advance in Diesel engines manufacturers promised
Some of you must wait fingers poised to get the anti brexit digs in
Some of you just love it . You want failure! Try an open mind for a change "
Tell that to the people who just lost their jobs. "Keep an open mind fellas!"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Diesels are so clean VW found it necessary to fiddle emission outputs
There has not been the advance in Diesel engines manufacturers promised
Some of you must wait fingers poised to get the anti brexit digs in
Some of you just love it . You want failure! Try an open mind for a change
Tell that to the people who just lost their jobs. "Keep an open mind fellas!"
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all you did in the original post was take the opportunity to blame brexit for job loses
No mention of caring about the people loosing their jobs ! I was addressing your original post , so don’t be such a hypocrite !!
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Diesels are so clean VW found it necessary to fiddle emission outputs
There has not been the advance in Diesel engines manufacturers promised
Some of you must wait fingers poised to get the anti brexit digs in
Some of you just love it . You want failure! Try an open mind for a change
Tell that to the people who just lost their jobs. "Keep an open mind fellas!"
all you did in the original post was take the opportunity to blame brexit for job loses
No mention of caring about the people loosing their jobs ! I was addressing your original post , so don’t be such a hypocrite !!
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Well Brexiters were told this would happen before the vote, they cast their ballots knowing full well that thousands would lose their jobs as a result, and millions of people would be poorer. They knew that, and that's still what they wanted to happen. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"Diesels are so clean VW found it necessary to fiddle emission outputs
There has not been the advance in Diesel engines manufacturers promised
Some of you must wait fingers poised to get the anti brexit digs in
Some of you just love it . You want failure! Try an open mind for a change
Tell that to the people who just lost their jobs. "Keep an open mind fellas!"
all you did in the original post was take the opportunity to blame brexit for job loses
No mention of caring about the people loosing their jobs ! I was addressing your original post , so don’t be such a hypocrite !!
Well Brexiters were told this would happen before the vote, they cast their ballots knowing full well that thousands would lose their jobs as a result, and millions of people would be poorer. They knew that, and that's still what they wanted to happen."
Since the vote there are now 250,000 more people employed, not the 800,000 job losses the remain campaign predicted. |
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"Diesels are so clean VW found it necessary to fiddle emission outputs
There has not been the advance in Diesel engines manufacturers promised
Some of you must wait fingers poised to get the anti brexit digs in
Some of you just love it . You want failure! Try an open mind for a change
Tell that to the people who just lost their jobs. "Keep an open mind fellas!"
all you did in the original post was take the opportunity to blame brexit for job loses
No mention of caring about the people loosing their jobs ! I was addressing your original post , so don’t be such a hypocrite !!
Well Brexiters were told this would happen before the vote, they cast their ballots knowing full well that thousands would lose their jobs as a result, and millions of people would be poorer. They knew that, and that's still what they wanted to happen.
Since the vote there are now 250,000 more people employed, not the 800,000 job losses the remain campaign predicted."
 Latest ONS (office for national statistics) figures show overall in the UK economy unemployment fell by 16,000 in the 3 months to February. |
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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Diesels are so clean VW found it necessary to fiddle emission outputs
There has not been the advance in Diesel engines manufacturers promised
Some of you must wait fingers poised to get the anti brexit digs in
Some of you just love it . You want failure! Try an open mind for a change
Tell that to the people who just lost their jobs. "Keep an open mind fellas!"
all you did in the original post was take the opportunity to blame brexit for job loses
No mention of caring about the people loosing their jobs ! I was addressing your original post , so don’t be such a hypocrite !!
Well Brexiters were told this would happen before the vote, they cast their ballots knowing full well that thousands would lose their jobs as a result, and millions of people would be poorer. They knew that, and that's still what they wanted to happen.
Since the vote there are now 250,000 more people employed, not the 800,000 job losses the remain campaign predicted.
Latest ONS (office for national statistics) figures show overall in the UK economy unemployment fell by 16,000 in the 3 months to February. "
Don't know how many times people can say "we haven't left yet" before it sinks in. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Mrs Maygabe's post brexit bung in 2016 to Nissan in order to keep jobs in sunderland has now been proven to be a waste of money ... nevermind, just a little wave of her magic money tree and everything will be sparkly glittery and wonderful again |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"Diesels are so clean VW found it necessary to fiddle emission outputs
There has not been the advance in Diesel engines manufacturers promised
Some of you must wait fingers poised to get the anti brexit digs in
Some of you just love it . You want failure! Try an open mind for a change
Tell that to the people who just lost their jobs. "Keep an open mind fellas!"
all you did in the original post was take the opportunity to blame brexit for job loses
No mention of caring about the people loosing their jobs ! I was addressing your original post , so don’t be such a hypocrite !!
Well Brexiters were told this would happen before the vote, they cast their ballots knowing full well that thousands would lose their jobs as a result, and millions of people would be poorer. They knew that, and that's still what they wanted to happen.
Since the vote there are now 250,000 more people employed, not the 800,000 job losses the remain campaign predicted.
Latest ONS (office for national statistics) figures show overall in the UK economy unemployment fell by 16,000 in the 3 months to February.
Don't know how many times people can say "we haven't left yet" before it sinks in. "
Don't know how many times people can point you to the treasury report of April 2016 referring to "the immediate impact of a vote to leave the EU", which forecast 800,000 extra unemployed within two years of voting to leave. That is 'before we have left'. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"Mrs Maygabe's post brexit bung in 2016 to Nissan in order to keep jobs in sunderland has now been proven to be a waste of money ... nevermind, just a little wave of her magic money tree and everything will be sparkly glittery and wonderful again "
And Nissan have made it absolutely clear that it has nothing to do with brexit; it is about the fall in sales of diesel cars. |
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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Mrs Maygabe's post brexit bung in 2016 to Nissan in order to keep jobs in sunderland has now been proven to be a waste of money ... nevermind, just a little wave of her magic money tree and everything will be sparkly glittery and wonderful again
And Nissan have made it absolutely clear that it has nothing to do with brexit; it is about the fall in sales of diesel cars."
If you believe that, you'll believe anything! |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Mrs Maygabe's post brexit bung in 2016 to Nissan in order to keep jobs in sunderland has now been proven to be a waste of money ... nevermind, just a little wave of her magic money tree and everything will be sparkly glittery and wonderful again
And Nissan have made it absolutely clear that it has nothing to do with brexit; it is about the fall in sales of diesel cars.
If you believe that, you'll believe anything! "
Nissan are re-adjusting their production policy, with less diesel cars and more hybrids, leading to fully electric models.
Some of the automation that I'm working on confirms this.
No point making diesel cars if no one is buying them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Diesel is dead a bit like coal a dirty fuel of the past. All car manufacturing companies are going to have to change. It begs the question though what's going to happen to oil production in the near future - Saudi Arabia must be worried. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Mrs Maygabe's post brexit bung in 2016 to Nissan in order to keep jobs in sunderland has now been proven to be a waste of money ... nevermind, just a little wave of her magic money tree and everything will be sparkly glittery and wonderful again
And Nissan have made it absolutely clear that it has nothing to do with brexit; it is about the fall in sales of diesel cars."
stop banging on about fucking brexit for fucks sake |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"Mrs Maygabe's post brexit bung in 2016 to Nissan in order to keep jobs in sunderland has now been proven to be a waste of money ... nevermind, just a little wave of her magic money tree and everything will be sparkly glittery and wonderful again
And Nissan have made it absolutely clear that it has nothing to do with brexit; it is about the fall in sales of diesel cars.
stop banging on about fucking brexit for fucks sake"
It was you that raised brexit, for fucks sake. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Mrs Maygabe's post brexit bung in 2016 to Nissan in order to keep jobs in sunderland has now been proven to be a waste of money ... nevermind, just a little wave of her magic money tree and everything will be sparkly glittery and wonderful again
And Nissan have made it absolutely clear that it has nothing to do with brexit; it is about the fall in sales of diesel cars.
stop banging on about fucking brexit for fucks sake
It was you that raised brexit, for fucks sake."
wrong ..... ffs get a grip and stop banging on about brexit |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"Mrs Maygabe's post brexit bung in 2016 to Nissan in order to keep jobs in sunderland has now been proven to be a waste of money ... nevermind, just a little wave of her magic money tree and everything will be sparkly glittery and wonderful again
And Nissan have made it absolutely clear that it has nothing to do with brexit; it is about the fall in sales of diesel cars.
stop banging on about fucking brexit for fucks sake
It was you that raised brexit, for fucks sake.
wrong ..... ffs get a grip and stop banging on about brexit"
You connected it with May's 'post-Brexit bung'. It has nothing to do with it. You get a grip ffs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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so your saying the bung was pre-brexit then? it was definately post-brexit .... ffs! it's like tagging AD onto a date .... get a grip and stop your purile banging on about fucking brexit ffs! |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"so your saying the bung was pre-brexit then? it was definately post-brexit .... ffs! it's like tagging AD onto a date .... get a grip and stop your purile banging on about fucking brexit ffs!"
So you agree then that Nissan's announcement has nothing to do with brexit? |
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Mrs Maygabe's post brexit bung in 2016 to Nissan in order to keep jobs in sunderland has now been proven to be a waste of money ... nevermind, just a little wave of her magic money tree and everything will be sparkly glittery and wonderful again |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
Any mathematical model is based on input data and a number of assumptions.
The significant assumptions that the Treasury forecast was based on was:
Article 50-being triggered immediately
Interest rates would remain the same
The global economy would remain unchanged
This, in part, was to not prejudge government policy.
The appropriate response to this would be to point out that there would be a fiscal response to the (actually over £70 billion of QE plus continuing unrealistically low interest rates). An inappropriate response would be to call it "Project Fear".
Not triggering Article 50 meant that panic was replaced by uncertainty.
The global economy has been booming since the referendum vote. Almost every market has recorded record growth. This means that their are more people buying. With the fall in the strength of the currency UK produced goods and services are therefore relatively cheap. Particularly for EU states to whom the biggest increase of sales have been to.
Foreign direct investment into the UK grew since the vote because UK companies and assets were cheap. This means companies and property was bought, not that new machinery was purchased.
UK companies increased prices to increase profits rather than invest to increase output. The trade balance has not improved.
The UK is still growing, but its growth rate fell dramatically. The economy is doing far worse than it should compared to the rest of the world.
Imported inflation increased costs to companies and households with wages rising at a significantly slower rate.
Employment has increased since the referendum vote at the same rate as since about 2013. However, the open question is what the quality of these jobs are. The increase of zero hours contracts and low wage jobs is well documented. Many of the jobs bring lost are more secure and of higher wage.
Some job losses are due to long-term trends such as declines in retail. Some to recent events like the fall in diesel sales. Some job losses are due to rising costs or Brexit contingency planning. I haven't yet seen an instance of jobs being created because the UK is leaving the EU.
Bear in mind that the churn of jobs has increased significantly since the vote. This means that although net employment has increased, there's has been a significant rise in the number of jobs lost over the same period.
So what's the summary? It is actually complicated. There are no simple answers. We are only discussing the purgatory between the referendum vote and a final exit. Some effects are directly due to the referendum vote and the UK's direction of travel and some are not. So far, mainly not. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Any mathematical model is based on input data and a number of assumptions.
The significant assumptions that the Treasury forecast was based on was:
Article 50-being triggered immediately
Interest rates would remain the same
The global economy would remain unchanged
This, in part, was to not prejudge government policy.
The appropriate response to this would be to point out that there would be a fiscal response to the (actually over £70 billion of QE plus continuing unrealistically low interest rates). An inappropriate response would be to call it "Project Fear".
Not triggering Article 50 meant that panic was replaced by uncertainty.
The global economy has been booming since the referendum vote. Almost every market has recorded record growth. This means that their are more people buying. With the fall in the strength of the currency UK produced goods and services are therefore relatively cheap. Particularly for EU states to whom the biggest increase of sales have been to.
Foreign direct investment into the UK grew since the vote because UK companies and assets were cheap. This means companies and property was bought, not that new machinery was purchased.
UK companies increased prices to increase profits rather than invest to increase output. The trade balance has not improved.
The UK is still growing, but its growth rate fell dramatically. The economy is doing far worse than it should compared to the rest of the world.
Imported inflation increased costs to companies and households with wages rising at a significantly slower rate.
Employment has increased since the referendum vote at the same rate as since about 2013. However, the open question is what the quality of these jobs are. The increase of zero hours contracts and low wage jobs is well documented. Many of the jobs bring lost are more secure and of higher wage.
Some job losses are due to long-term trends such as declines in retail. Some to recent events like the fall in diesel sales. Some job losses are due to rising costs or Brexit contingency planning. I haven't yet seen an instance of jobs being created because the UK is leaving the EU.
Bear in mind that the churn of jobs has increased significantly since the vote. This means that although net employment has increased, there's has been a significant rise in the number of jobs lost over the same period.
So what's the summary? It is actually complicated. There are no simple answers. We are only discussing the purgatory between the referendum vote and a final exit. Some effects are directly due to the referendum vote and the UK's direction of travel and some are not. So far, mainly not."
The treasury report was produced before anybody said that article 50 would be triggered 'the very next day'.
At no point in the report does it say that it is based upon article 50 being triggered immediately.
The report is, however, based on 'the immediate impact of a vote to leave the EU'. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Any mathematical model is based on input data and a number of assumptions.
The significant assumptions that the Treasury forecast was based on was:
Article 50-being triggered immediately
Interest rates would remain the same
The global economy would remain unchanged
This, in part, was to not prejudge government policy.
The appropriate response to this would be to point out that there would be a fiscal response to the (actually over £70 billion of QE plus continuing unrealistically low interest rates). An inappropriate response would be to call it "Project Fear".
Not triggering Article 50 meant that panic was replaced by uncertainty.
The global economy has been booming since the referendum vote. Almost every market has recorded record growth. This means that their are more people buying. With the fall in the strength of the currency UK produced goods and services are therefore relatively cheap. Particularly for EU states to whom the biggest increase of sales have been to.
Foreign direct investment into the UK grew since the vote because UK companies and assets were cheap. This means companies and property was bought, not that new machinery was purchased.
UK companies increased prices to increase profits rather than invest to increase output. The trade balance has not improved.
The UK is still growing, but its growth rate fell dramatically. The economy is doing far worse than it should compared to the rest of the world.
Imported inflation increased costs to companies and households with wages rising at a significantly slower rate.
Employment has increased since the referendum vote at the same rate as since about 2013. However, the open question is what the quality of these jobs are. The increase of zero hours contracts and low wage jobs is well documented. Many of the jobs bring lost are more secure and of higher wage.
Some job losses are due to long-term trends such as declines in retail. Some to recent events like the fall in diesel sales. Some job losses are due to rising costs or Brexit contingency planning. I haven't yet seen an instance of jobs being created because the UK is leaving the EU.
Bear in mind that the churn of jobs has increased significantly since the vote. This means that although net employment has increased, there's has been a significant rise in the number of jobs lost over the same period.
So what's the summary? It is actually complicated. There are no simple answers. We are only discussing the purgatory between the referendum vote and a final exit. Some effects are directly due to the referendum vote and the UK's direction of travel and some are not. So far, mainly not.
The treasury report was produced before anybody said that article 50 would be triggered 'the very next day'.
At no point in the report does it say that it is based upon article 50 being triggered immediately.
The report is, however, based on 'the immediate impact of a vote to leave the EU'."
So from that entire block of analysis the only thing that you have an objection to is the assumption that Article 50 would be triggered immediately?
Well, that was the assumption.
From the Office of Budget Responsibility report on why the Treasury prediction was wrong:
"Some other key assumptions have not held in practice. In its short-term
modelling, HM Treasury assumed that after a leave vote the government would
trigger Article 50 immediately, in line with the then Prime Minister’s statement to
Parliament on 22 February 2016, whereas in practice it was not triggered until
March 2017. Uncertainty will continue to remain for some time around the forms
that trading relationships will eventually take after the UK leaves the EU."
The fact that your assertion here was incorrect does not invalidate your views on anything else but it underlines the point that I was making that this is complicated. Quoting a singular statistic supports no position if you do not also understand the details and interactions with other events in the economy both nationally and globally. |
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