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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Do you agree the BBC should air this great historic speech?
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The BBC has defended a decision to air Enoch Powell's 1968 "Rivers of Blood" speech on Radio 4.
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The Archive on 4 programme, presented by BBC media editor Amol Rajan, will on Saturday broadcast the right-wing MP's anti-immigration speech - voiced by an actor - in full, for the first time.
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The decision to do so was criticised as an "incitement to racial hatred".
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The BBC said there would be "rigorous journalistic analysis" and the show was not endorsing controversial views.
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Delivered to local Conservative Party members in Birmingham, days before the second reading of the 1968 Race Relations Bill, then MP Powell referenced observations made by his Wolverhampton constituents including "in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man".
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He ended with a quote from Virgil's Aeneid, when civil war in Italy is predicted with "the River Tiber foaming with much blood".
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"Do you agree the BBC should air this great historic speech?
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The BBC has defended a decision to air Enoch Powell's 1968 "Rivers of Blood" speech on Radio 4.
.
The Archive on 4 programme, presented by BBC media editor Amol Rajan, will on Saturday broadcast the right-wing MP's anti-immigration speech - voiced by an actor - in full, for the first time.
.
The decision to do so was criticised as an "incitement to racial hatred".
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The BBC said there would be "rigorous journalistic analysis" and the show was not endorsing controversial views.
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Delivered to local Conservative Party members in Birmingham, days before the second reading of the 1968 Race Relations Bill, then MP Powell referenced observations made by his Wolverhampton constituents including "in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man".
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He ended with a quote from Virgil's Aeneid, when civil war in Italy is predicted with "the River Tiber foaming with much blood".
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Nothing 'great' abut it. Notorious yes but not great. If there's going to be a race war then rest assured the white man will start it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Do you agree the BBC should air this great historic speech?
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The BBC has defended a decision to air Enoch Powell's 1968 "Rivers of Blood" speech on Radio 4.
.
The Archive on 4 programme, presented by BBC media editor Amol Rajan, will on Saturday broadcast the right-wing MP's anti-immigration speech - voiced by an actor - in full, for the first time.
.
The decision to do so was criticised as an "incitement to racial hatred".
.
The BBC said there would be "rigorous journalistic analysis" and the show was not endorsing controversial views.
.
Delivered to local Conservative Party members in Birmingham, days before the second reading of the 1968 Race Relations Bill, then MP Powell referenced observations made by his Wolverhampton constituents including "in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man".
.
He ended with a quote from Virgil's Aeneid, when civil war in Italy is predicted with "the River Tiber foaming with much blood".
Nothing 'great' abut it. Notorious yes but not great. If there's going to be a race war then rest assured the white man will start it."
really?
I think they are fighting amongst themselves, you just have to look at the gang fighting and murders in London just now |
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"Do you agree the BBC should air this great historic speech?
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The BBC has defended a decision to air Enoch Powell's 1968 "Rivers of Blood" speech on Radio 4.
.
The Archive on 4 programme, presented by BBC media editor Amol Rajan, will on Saturday broadcast the right-wing MP's anti-immigration speech - voiced by an actor - in full, for the first time.
.
The decision to do so was criticised as an "incitement to racial hatred".
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The BBC said there would be "rigorous journalistic analysis" and the show was not endorsing controversial views.
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Delivered to local Conservative Party members in Birmingham, days before the second reading of the 1968 Race Relations Bill, then MP Powell referenced observations made by his Wolverhampton constituents including "in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man".
.
He ended with a quote from Virgil's Aeneid, when civil war in Italy is predicted with "the River Tiber foaming with much blood".
Nothing 'great' abut it. Notorious yes but not great. If there's going to be a race war then rest assured the white man will start it."
Liberal values and multiculturalism and immigration and integration has prevented rivers of blood.We are from many but one people of all races and background.
The speech is nothing more than the irrelevant ramblings from a generation long since turned to dust.Its no more offensive than listening to a Hitler speech.Its history.  |
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"Do you agree the BBC should air this great historic speech?
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The BBC has defended a decision to air Enoch Powell's 1968 "Rivers of Blood" speech on Radio 4.
.
The Archive on 4 programme, presented by BBC media editor Amol Rajan, will on Saturday broadcast the right-wing MP's anti-immigration speech - voiced by an actor - in full, for the first time.
.
The decision to do so was criticised as an "incitement to racial hatred".
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The BBC said there would be "rigorous journalistic analysis" and the show was not endorsing controversial views.
.
Delivered to local Conservative Party members in Birmingham, days before the second reading of the 1968 Race Relations Bill, then MP Powell referenced observations made by his Wolverhampton constituents including "in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man".
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He ended with a quote from Virgil's Aeneid, when civil war in Italy is predicted with "the River Tiber foaming with much blood".
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Can't see what the big deal is about this, anyone can find the speech on Google or YouTube if they want to. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I know what! Let’s burn all of the books we don’t agree with and get rid of statues and veto any and all subjects that may or maynot offend someone.
Oh wait it’s been done before 
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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It is part of history and all history weather good or bad is part of life and to ignore it is wrong.
If it was stopped that would be cencorship so let it seen by who ever wants to watch it.
Yes it will cause debate but that is good,there will be morons out there wishing to make something of it but these idiots are there anyway,that cannot be denied either
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Do you agree the BBC should air this great historic speech?
.
The BBC has defended a decision to air Enoch Powell's 1968 "Rivers of Blood" speech on Radio 4.
.
The Archive on 4 programme, presented by BBC media editor Amol Rajan, will on Saturday broadcast the right-wing MP's anti-immigration speech - voiced by an actor - in full, for the first time.
.
The decision to do so was criticised as an "incitement to racial hatred".
.
The BBC said there would be "rigorous journalistic analysis" and the show was not endorsing controversial views.
.
Delivered to local Conservative Party members in Birmingham, days before the second reading of the 1968 Race Relations Bill, then MP Powell referenced observations made by his Wolverhampton constituents including "in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man".
.
He ended with a quote from Virgil's Aeneid, when civil war in Italy is predicted with "the River Tiber foaming with much blood".
Nothing 'great' abut it. Notorious yes but not great. If there's going to be a race war then rest assured the white man will start it.
Liberal values and multiculturalism and immigration and integration has prevented rivers of blood.We are from many but one people of all races and background.
The speech is nothing more than the irrelevant ramblings from a generation long since turned to dust.Its no more offensive than listening to a Hitler speech.Its history. "
Yes true but it is the history of modern timesIt is not totally irrelevant as it shaped where we are today |
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By (user no longer on site)
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As long as the speech is heard in context it is ok.
Powell was clearly a racist trying to use people's fears to gain popularity for himself.
I believe as another poster stated that people mostly turned their back on him as different cultures mixed.
I still believe we have strong racist tendencies in the UK but no where near the levels that Powell predicted.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"As long as the speech is heard in context it is ok.
Powell was clearly a racist trying to use people's fears to gain popularity for himself.
I believe as another poster stated that people mostly turned their back on him as different cultures mixed.
I still believe we have strong racist tendencies in the UK but no where near the levels that Powell predicted.
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you say he was clearly racist,
why was he racist, care to explain? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It is part of history and all history weather good or bad is part of life and to ignore it is wrong.
If it was stopped that would be cencorship so let it seen by who ever wants to watch it.
Yes it will cause debate but that is good,there will be morons out there wishing to make something of it but these idiots are there anyway,that cannot be denied either
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?????????
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no one will be "watching it"
its on "Radio 4"
its on the radio |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As long as the speech is heard in context it is ok.
Powell was clearly a racist trying to use people's fears to gain popularity for himself.
I believe as another poster stated that people mostly turned their back on him as different cultures mixed.
I still believe we have strong racist tendencies in the UK but no where near the levels that Powell predicted.
you say he was clearly racist,
why was he racist, care to explain?"
SERIOUSLY !!!!!!
Next you are gonna say Mosely was mugged while he was just taking a stroll through Brick Lane with a few friends !!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"As long as the speech is heard in context it is ok.
Powell was clearly a racist trying to use people's fears to gain popularity for himself.
I believe as another poster stated that people mostly turned their back on him as different cultures mixed.
I still believe we have strong racist tendencies in the UK but no where near the levels that Powell predicted.
you say he was clearly racist,
why was he racist, care to explain?
SERIOUSLY !!!!!!
Next you are gonna say Mosely was mugged while he was just taking a stroll through Brick Lane with a few friends !!!"
nope, I am asking you, why you think he is racist |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"As long as the speech is heard in context it is ok.
Powell was clearly a racist trying to use people's fears to gain popularity for himself.
I believe as another poster stated that people mostly turned their back on him as different cultures mixed.
I still believe we have strong racist tendencies in the UK but no where near the levels that Powell predicted.
you say he was clearly racist,
why was he racist, care to explain?
SERIOUSLY !!!!!!
Next you are gonna say Mosely was mugged while he was just taking a stroll through Brick Lane with a few friends !!!"
many of the contraversial parts of the speech were powel quoteing statements from his constituants the infamous "blackman will have the whip hand"is one such part of tbr speech atributed to powell ut is in dact him reporting these thoughts if listened to in context it completely changes its impact |
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"you say he was clearly racist,
why was he racist, care to explain?"
The man was a racist bigot. Proof being that when he could no longer peddle his hate on the mainland he headed to NI to continue his career of sewing division as a 'loyalist' politician. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Strange how many believe that it is not just OK but essential to censor history and then can't understand when it keeps repeating itself."
Yep. From the trails they are going to repeat the speech then discuss it.
Seems reasonable enough.
The same with the various statues and monuments scattered about the place. Leave them but contextualise them with an explanation of who they were or a bigger statue of their victims confronting them.
Like the girl defying the bull on Wall Street. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
NW London |
"Do you agree the BBC should air this great historic speech?
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The BBC has defended a decision to air Enoch Powell's 1968 "Rivers of Blood" speech on Radio 4.
.
The Archive on 4 programme, presented by BBC media editor Amol Rajan, will on Saturday broadcast the right-wing MP's anti-immigration speech - voiced by an actor - in full, for the first time.
.
The decision to do so was criticised as an "incitement to racial hatred".
.
The BBC said there would be "rigorous journalistic analysis" and the show was not endorsing controversial views.
.
Delivered to local Conservative Party members in Birmingham, days before the second reading of the 1968 Race Relations Bill, then MP Powell referenced observations made by his Wolverhampton constituents including "in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man".
.
He ended with a quote from Virgil's Aeneid, when civil war in Italy is predicted with "the River Tiber foaming with much blood".
Nothing 'great' abut it. Notorious yes but not great. If there's going to be a race war then rest assured the white man will start it.
really?
I think they are fighting amongst themselves, you just have to look at the gang fighting and murders in London just now"
Gang violence is more to do with socioeconomic factors than race/colour. Also the majority of it (at least that which is reported in the media) is between British born people not immigrants. |
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"Do you agree the BBC should air this great historic speech?
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The BBC has defended a decision to air Enoch Powell's 1968 "Rivers of Blood" speech on Radio 4.
.
The Archive on 4 programme, presented by BBC media editor Amol Rajan, will on Saturday broadcast the right-wing MP's anti-immigration speech - voiced by an actor - in full, for the first time.
.
The decision to do so was criticised as an "incitement to racial hatred".
.
The BBC said there would be "rigorous journalistic analysis" and the show was not endorsing controversial views.
.
Delivered to local Conservative Party members in Birmingham, days before the second reading of the 1968 Race Relations Bill, then MP Powell referenced observations made by his Wolverhampton constituents including "in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man".
.
He ended with a quote from Virgil's Aeneid, when civil war in Italy is predicted with "the River Tiber foaming with much blood".
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Don't get why the BBC is even bothering. It is historical and hysterical but there are far more newsworthy events from the past that could be aired. |
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I think a critical review might have been acceptable but it would not warrant broadcast of the whole thing - it's inflammatory and probably illegal material now. We do need to learn from our mistakes but there are different ways to do this and giving swivel eyed frothing at the mouth types orgasmic pleasure isn't the right way. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Do you agree the BBC should air this great historic speech?
.
The BBC has defended a decision to air Enoch Powell's 1968 "Rivers of Blood" speech on Radio 4.
.
The Archive on 4 programme, presented by BBC media editor Amol Rajan, will on Saturday broadcast the right-wing MP's anti-immigration speech - voiced by an actor - in full, for the first time.
.
The decision to do so was criticised as an "incitement to racial hatred".
.
The BBC said there would be "rigorous journalistic analysis" and the show was not endorsing controversial views.
.
Delivered to local Conservative Party members in Birmingham, days before the second reading of the 1968 Race Relations Bill, then MP Powell referenced observations made by his Wolverhampton constituents including "in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man".
.
He ended with a quote from Virgil's Aeneid, when civil war in Italy is predicted with "the River Tiber foaming with much blood".
Nothing 'great' abut it. Notorious yes but not great. If there's going to be a race war then rest assured the white man will start it.
really?
I think they are fighting amongst themselves, you just have to look at the gang fighting and murders in London just now
Gang violence is more to do with socioeconomic factors than race/colour. Also the majority of it (at least that which is reported in the media) is between British born people not immigrants."
So very true but it is easy to blame racsism to hide other problems in society |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As long as the speech is heard in context it is ok.
Powell was clearly a racist trying to use people's fears to gain popularity for himself.
I believe as another poster stated that people mostly turned their back on him as different cultures mixed.
I still believe we have strong racist tendencies in the UK but no where near the levels that Powell predicted.
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He was not a racist at all he was spot on about immigrants. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He was not a racist at all he was spot on about immigrants.
Is that all immigrants, or just the black and brown ones?"
You really are thick its all immigrants. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"He was not a racist at all he was spot on about immigrants.
Is that all immigrants, or just the black and brown ones?
You really are thick its all immigrants. "
Care to elaborate on what exactly he was right about?
As you are clearly a Powell scholar, give me 10 examples. Should be easy for you..... |
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"You really are thick its all immigrants. "
No I am not thick at all I just wanted to know if it were all immigrants you were referring to or just the ones that Powel referred to.
And now that we know it is all immigrants my next question is and where do differentiate between British and non British? Are the Huguenots who came here in the 1700's British enough for you? Maybe we should remove them? Why stop there? How about kicking out all those of Viking or Norman extraction, maybe we should go back further (and yes, this is hyperbole).
Or
So let's be serious, where do you stand about the Poles who came in 1939 or the Indians and all the other Empire (as was)nationals that fought for us in WW2, and then settled here? What about the Windrush immigrants that came here to rebuild this country in 1947? Or the Ugandan Asians that came in the 70's? Or for that matter the Irish that have settled here over centuries.
Where do you draw the line? I seriously want to know. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"You really are thick its all immigrants.
No I am not thick at all I just wanted to know if it were all immigrants you were referring to or just the ones that Powel referred to.
And now that we know it is all immigrants my next question is and where do differentiate between British and non British? Are the Huguenots who came here in the 1700's British enough for you? Maybe we should remove them? Why stop there? How about kicking out all those of Viking or Norman extraction, maybe we should go back further (and yes, this is hyperbole).
Or
So let's be serious, where do you stand about the Poles who came in 1939 or the Indians and all the other Empire (as was)nationals that fought for us in WW2, and then settled here? What about the Windrush immigrants that came here to rebuild this country in 1947? Or the Ugandan Asians that came in the 70's? Or for that matter the Irish that have settled here over centuries.
Where do you draw the line? I seriously want to know."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cgeXd5kRDg
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"As long as the speech is heard in context it is ok.
Powell was clearly a racist trying to use people's fears to gain popularity for himself.
I believe as another poster stated that people mostly turned their back on him as different cultures mixed.
I still believe we have strong racist tendencies in the UK but no where near the levels that Powell predicted.
He was not a racist at all he was spot on about immigrants. "
If you really believe that to be the case you need to give your head a wobble. |
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
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I think the speech should aired after that we can make our own decision weather to listen to it on not and then form our own views.My own view is every decade the amount of racism I see and receive is getting lower and lower how ever when I receive it I feel like that 13 year old boy who whilst playing football for his school went to take a corner kick and one of the opposition players said don't let the paki take it he will open a shop and everyone was laughing at including my team mates and teacher who refereed the game. |
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"You really are thick its all immigrants.
No I am not thick at all I just wanted to know if it were all immigrants you were referring to or just the ones that Powel referred to.
And now that we know it is all immigrants my next question is and where do differentiate between British and non British? Are the Huguenots who came here in the 1700's British enough for you? Maybe we should remove them? Why stop there? How about kicking out all those of Viking or Norman extraction, maybe we should go back further (and yes, this is hyperbole).
Or
So let's be serious, where do you stand about the Poles who came in 1939 or the Indians and all the other Empire (as was)nationals that fought for us in WW2, and then settled here? What about the Windrush immigrants that came here to rebuild this country in 1947? Or the Ugandan Asians that came in the 70's? Or for that matter the Irish that have settled here over centuries.
Where do you draw the line? I seriously want to know."
That was then - in the past it doesn't count as only a few are still alive (who can remember).Today's society is all about "me" - not everyone but the best majority. As long as they get their own way it's ok. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As long as the speech is heard in context it is ok.
Powell was clearly a racist trying to use people's fears to gain popularity for himself.
I believe as another poster stated that people mostly turned their back on him as different cultures mixed.
I still believe we have strong racist tendencies in the UK but no where near the levels that Powell predicted.
Do i really he was quoting blacks to ma
He was not a racist at all he was spot on about immigrants.
If you really believe that to be the case you need to give your head a wobble. "
He used blacks as a quote about immigration this country will always have people like you in it. Immigrants we have are criminals, rapists shall i add more. We can't even speak about immigrants without being called racist. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"As long as the speech is heard in context it is ok.
Powell was clearly a racist trying to use people's fears to gain popularity for himself.
I believe as another poster stated that people mostly turned their back on him as different cultures mixed.
I still believe we have strong racist tendencies in the UK but no where near the levels that Powell predicted.
Do i really he was quoting blacks to ma
He was not a racist at all he was spot on about immigrants.
If you really believe that to be the case you need to give your head a wobble.
He used blacks as a quote about immigration this country will always have people like you in it. Immigrants we have are criminals, rapists shall i add more. We can't even speak about immigrants without being called racist. "
So it should be easy for you to give me 10 examples of when Moseley turned out to be right then, shouldn't it?
And yet, you haven't. |
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"As long as the speech is heard in context it is ok.
Powell was clearly a racist trying to use people's fears to gain popularity for himself.
I believe as another poster stated that people mostly turned their back on him as different cultures mixed.
I still believe we have strong racist tendencies in the UK but no where near the levels that Powell predicted.
Do i really he was quoting blacks to ma
He was not a racist at all he was spot on about immigrants.
If you really believe that to be the case you need to give your head a wobble.
He used blacks as a quote about immigration this country will always have people like you in it. Immigrants we have are criminals, rapists shall i add more. We can't even speak about immigrants without being called racist.
So it should be easy for you to give me 10 examples of when Moseley turned out to be right then, shouldn't it?
And yet, you haven't."
OOps did i offend you i really don't care what you think. My opinion don't like it tough. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"As long as the speech is heard in context it is ok.
Powell was clearly a racist trying to use people's fears to gain popularity for himself.
I believe as another poster stated that people mostly turned their back on him as different cultures mixed.
I still believe we have strong racist tendencies in the UK but no where near the levels that Powell predicted.
Do i really he was quoting blacks to ma
He was not a racist at all he was spot on about immigrants.
If you really believe that to be the case you need to give your head a wobble.
He used blacks as a quote about immigration this country will always have people like you in it. Immigrants we have are criminals, rapists shall i add more. We can't even speak about immigrants without being called racist.
So it should be easy for you to give me 10 examples of when Moseley turned out to be right then, shouldn't it?
And yet, you haven't.
OOps did i offend you i really don't care what you think. My opinion don't like it tough."
If it's your opinion, is assumed it was based on something.
So; when you say Moseley was right, you should be able to give some examples.
Obviously you are familiar with his speeches - maybe start there? |
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"As long as the speech is heard in context it is ok.
Powell was clearly a racist trying to use people's fears to gain popularity for himself.
I believe as another poster stated that people mostly turned their back on him as different cultures mixed.
I still believe we have strong racist tendencies in the UK but no where near the levels that Powell predicted.
Do i really he was quoting blacks to ma
He was not a racist at all he was spot on about immigrants.
If you really believe that to be the case you need to give your head a wobble.
He used blacks as a quote about immigration this country will always have people like you in it. Immigrants we have are criminals, rapists shall i add more. We can't even speak about immigrants without being called racist. "
So out of interest how many criminals are there? How many rapists are there? What percentage are they of the immigrant population and how does that compare with the indigenous population? What about the criminals we exported to Spain many years ago because there was no extradition? You cannot make wild statements without facts! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"As long as the speech is heard in context it is ok.
Powell was clearly a racist trying to use people's fears to gain popularity for himself.
I believe as another poster stated that people mostly turned their back on him as different cultures mixed.
I still believe we have strong racist tendencies in the UK but no where near the levels that Powell predicted.
Do i really he was quoting blacks to ma
He was not a racist at all he was spot on about immigrants.
If you really believe that to be the case you need to give your head a wobble.
He used blacks as a quote about immigration this country will always have people like you in it. Immigrants we have are criminals, rapists shall i add more. We can't even speak about immigrants without being called racist.
So it should be easy for you to give me 10 examples of when Moseley turned out to be right then, shouldn't it?
And yet, you haven't.
OOps did i offend you i really don't care what you think. My opinion don't like it tough."
Let's ask again if you can answer these two direct questions:
What about immigrants was Enoch Powell or Oswald Mosley correct about?
What proportion of immigrants commit murder or sexual assault relative to the non-immigrant population?
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"As long as the speech is heard in context it is ok.
Powell was clearly a racist trying to use people's fears to gain popularity for himself.
I believe as another poster stated that people mostly turned their back on him as different cultures mixed.
I still believe we have strong racist tendencies in the UK but no where near the levels that Powell predicted.
Do i really he was quoting blacks to ma
He was not a racist at all he was spot on about immigrants.
If you really believe that to be the case you need to give your head a wobble.
He used blacks as a quote about immigration this country will always have people like you in it. Immigrants we have are criminals, rapists shall i add more. We can't even speak about immigrants without being called racist. "
So all immigrants are criminals and rapists? You are either a WUM or a moron. |
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