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A sad reflection on the personality of a member who chooses to make a post such as this. Most voters will remember her for her great achievements and making the .uk a better place .
You are of course entitled to be happy that someone is dead but the concept is repulsive to any decent person. |
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" A sad reflection on the personality of a member who chooses to make a post such as this. Most voters will remember her for her great achievements and making the .uk a better place .
You are of course entitled to be happy that someone is dead but the concept is repulsive to any decent person. "
I trust you will post a similar reply on the Winnie Mandela thread |
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" A sad reflection on the personality of a member who chooses to make a post such as this. Most voters will remember her for her great achievements and making the .uk a better place .
You are of course entitled to be happy that someone is dead but the concept is repulsive to any decent person. "
She also cocked a lot of things up too! As did Blair - they both were too long in the job!! Not good for the country. |
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" A sad reflection on the personality of a member who chooses to make a post such as this. Most voters will remember her for her great achievements and making the .uk a better place .
You are of course entitled to be happy that someone is dead but the concept is repulsive to any decent person. "
what part of the uk did she make a better place ? |
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"Whenever I see posts like this they always remind me of The Jake Newsome case in your very city OP
It’s a strange world we live in at the moment. "
I could see Ann Maguire's school out of my kitchen window. She, as far as I know never caused anyone any harm. Thatcher did. To thousands upon thousands and quite often out of spite |
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Despite never having voted even once for her ..I too find this thread distasteful. She was democratically elected so if she had a fault it was shared by many many of the voting public. |
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"Remember this:
https://youtu.be/r0TuXLrvyE4
Didn't you vote for her once?"
Yep, I was a young conservative in the 70's, I still think Ted Heath was the best domestic PM of my life so far and I fell for her spiel in 79, but by 83 I realised I had been conned by a greedy shopkeeper's daughter who knew the price of everything but the value of nothing. I have never voted for a tory since then because she was totally divisive and destroyed social adhesion and the fabric of our country and society. If there is a hell and any justice she is in its darkest corner for eternity. |
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"Remember this:
https://youtu.be/r0TuXLrvyE4
Didn't you vote for her once?
Yep, I was a young conservative in the 70's, I still think Ted Heath was the best domestic PM of my life so far and I fell for her spiel in 79, but by 83 I realised I had been conned by a greedy shopkeeper's daughter who knew the price of everything but the value of nothing. I have never voted for a tory since then because she was totally divisive and destroyed social adhesion and the fabric of our country and society. If there is a hell and any justice she is in its darkest corner for eternity. "
Did you vote for New Labour too? |
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"Remember this:
https://youtu.be/r0TuXLrvyE4
Didn't you vote for her once?
Yep, I was a young conservative in the 70's, I still think Ted Heath was the best domestic PM of my life so far and I fell for her spiel in 79, but by 83 I realised I had been conned by a greedy shopkeeper's daughter who knew the price of everything but the value of nothing. I have never voted for a tory since then because she was totally divisive and destroyed social adhesion and the fabric of our country and society. If there is a hell and any justice she is in its darkest corner for eternity. "
She was very popular with the electorate and returned to power on three occasions.
At least members of the public are no longer at the mercy of greedy trade unionists . |
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"Remember this:
https://youtu.be/r0TuXLrvyE4
Didn't you vote for her once?
Yep, I was a young conservative in the 70's, I still think Ted Heath was the best domestic PM of my life so far and I fell for her spiel in 79, but by 83 I realised I had been conned by a greedy shopkeeper's daughter who knew the price of everything but the value of nothing. I have never voted for a tory since then because she was totally divisive and destroyed social adhesion and the fabric of our country and society. If there is a hell and any justice she is in its darkest corner for eternity. She was very popular with the electorate and returned to power on three occasions.
At least members of the public are no longer at the mercy of greedy trade unionists . "
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At least members of the public are no longer at the mercy of greedy trade unionists . "
Meanwhile, 1% of the world's population will soon own 2/3rds of the wealth.
In part because of attitudes like this. |
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"Remember this:
https://youtu.be/r0TuXLrvyE4
Didn't you vote for her once?
Yep, I was a young conservative in the 70's, I still think Ted Heath was the best domestic PM of my life so far and I fell for her spiel in 79, but by 83 I realised I had been conned by a greedy shopkeeper's daughter who knew the price of everything but the value of nothing. I have never voted for a tory since then because she was totally divisive and destroyed social adhesion and the fabric of our country and society. If there is a hell and any justice she is in its darkest corner for eternity.
Did you vote for New Labour too?"
The first time round yes, but after that I spoiled my ballot paper by adding a "none of them" box and placing my X in that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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just to be absolutely clear, i never ever voted for her on account of her being a disgusting putrid shit bag of turd ... she fucked us by putting the cunt into this country and society will never recover or function properly ever again .... good riddance |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It is best not to confuse "strong" with pig headed...she was as others have said an enemy of the working class as she believed in trickle down economics...Well we have seen how that worked out as CEOs are paid in millions and bitch that the minimum wage is destroying the economy ...
So no she failed as they all do in the end |
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"just to be absolutely clear, i never ever voted for her on account of her being a disgusting putrid shit bag of turd ... she fucked us by putting the cunt into this country and society will never recover or function properly ever again .... good riddance"
Well said.
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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Mrs Thatcher materially changed Britain and she is the only post war Prime Minister to have made changes that fundamentally changed the course of the country so dramatically and so quickly. Some people will look back in horror, some will look back with great respect whilst many will grudgingly accept that like it or not, she got the job done.
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"many will grudgingly accept that like it or not, she got the job done.
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What does 'get the job done' mean, really? Imbed far right values in British society?
She did a lot of damage to a lot of people, yet there's somehow this idea that because she was stern and authoritarian, she was delivering something positive.
She wasn't. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"many will grudgingly accept that like it or not, she got the job done.
What does 'get the job done' mean, really? Imbed far right values in British society?
She did a lot of damage to a lot of people, yet there's somehow this idea that because she was stern and authoritarian, she was delivering something positive.
She wasn't."
She modernised the United Kingdom and introduced a different set of values to society. The country was a shambles before Mrs T and like it or not she made big, big changes. As with all change.. Some benefited and some became casualties along the way.
It is easy to with hindsight to look at and highlight the things that people did wrong. Mrs T identified that the country needed modernising and she received very strong mandates from the electorate to do just that. |
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" A sad reflection on the personality of a member who chooses to make a post such as this. Most voters will remember her for her great achievements and making the .uk a better place .
You are of course entitled to be happy that someone is dead but the concept is repulsive to any decent person. "
Well said.
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"many will grudgingly accept that like it or not, she got the job done.
What does 'get the job done' mean, really? Imbed far right values in British society?
She did a lot of damage to a lot of people, yet there's somehow this idea that because she was stern and authoritarian, she was delivering something positive.
She wasn't.
She modernised the United Kingdom and introduced a different set of values to society. The country was a shambles before Mrs T and like it or not she made big, big changes. As with all change.. Some benefited and some became casualties along the way.
It is easy to with hindsight to look at and highlight the things that people did wrong. Mrs T identified that the country needed modernising and she received very strong mandates from the electorate to do just that."
As someone who lived and worked in the shambles of the 70's I 100% agree.
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"many will grudgingly accept that like it or not, she got the job done.
What does 'get the job done' mean, really? Imbed far right values in British society?
She did a lot of damage to a lot of people, yet there's somehow this idea that because she was stern and authoritarian, she was delivering something positive.
She wasn't.
She modernised the United Kingdom and introduced a different set of values to society. The country was a shambles before Mrs T and like it or not she made big, big changes. As with all change.. Some benefited and some became casualties along the way.
It is easy to with hindsight to look at and highlight the things that people did wrong. Mrs T identified that the country needed modernising and she received very strong mandates from the electorate to do just that.
As someone who lived and worked in the shambles of the 70's I 100% agree.
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 As someone who lived and worked during the 1970's i totally disagree. Thatcher was a political and economic disaster who changed this country in a negative way, who despised the working classes and loved the rich and promoted greed. She was a total disaster. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"She was a strong leader, one thing the UK has not had for many a year.
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like her or hate her, she was a strong leader"
Being "strong" is not an inherently good trait if it is used to do something negative.
Mao and Hitler were "strong".
A consensus can also be an extremely successful approach. Germany has done very well out of it for many years.
Any approach can be appropriate in a given set of circumstances. |
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"She was a strong leader, one thing the UK has not had for many a year.
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like her or hate her, she was a strong leader
Being "strong" is not an inherently good trait if it is used to do something negative.
Mao and Hitler were "strong".
A consensus can also be an extremely successful approach. Germany has done very well out of it for many years.
Any approach can be appropriate in a given set of circumstances."
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Didn't do so well for Edward Miliband did it,
sometimes the little pussy boy wimps don't get the vote |
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"many will grudgingly accept that like it or not, she got the job done.
What does 'get the job done' mean, really? Imbed far right values in British society?
She did a lot of damage to a lot of people, yet there's somehow this idea that because she was stern and authoritarian, she was delivering something positive.
She wasn't.
She modernised the United Kingdom and introduced a different set of values to society. The country was a shambles before Mrs T and like it or not she made big, big changes. As with all change.. Some benefited and some became casualties along the way.
It is easy to with hindsight to look at and highlight the things that people did wrong. Mrs T identified that the country needed modernising and she received very strong mandates from the electorate to do just that.
As someone who lived and worked in the shambles of the 70's I 100% agree.
As someone who lived and worked during the 1970's i totally disagree. Thatcher was a political and economic disaster who changed this country in a negative way, who despised the working classes and loved the rich and promoted greed. She was a total disaster. "
has this country got much better since ...hardly .they are,all pretty much a shambolic bunch no matter what party they represent .none of them listen to the people anyway |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"She was a strong leader, one thing the UK has not had for many a year.
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like her or hate her, she was a strong leader
Being "strong" is not an inherently good trait if it is used to do something negative.
Mao and Hitler were "strong".
A consensus can also be an extremely successful approach. Germany has done very well out of it for many years.
Any approach can be appropriate in a given set of circumstances.
.
Didn't do so well for Edward Miliband did it,
sometimes the little pussy boy wimps don't get the vote"
So you're agreeing with me.
Depending on the circumstances, different approaches can work or fail.
Blindly demanding one option can prove just as disastrous as it might be successful.
The same person could be successful in one situation and fail in another. |
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Thanks to her policies we can now have phones installed shortly after making a request as opposed to waiting six months. She treated everyone equally and gave council house tenants the opportunity to buy houses at a substantial discount.
By selling off nationalised industries she gave every member of society a chance to invest in then.
I am sure that the lorry drivers at NFC would have had no complaints about her policies .
She was a true lady of the people and out in place a strong economy which in turn meant bettèr funding for public services. |
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"She was a strong leader, one thing the UK has not had for many a year.
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like her or hate her, she was a strong leader
Being "strong" is not an inherently good trait if it is used to do something negative.
Mao and Hitler were "strong".
A consensus can also be an extremely successful approach. Germany has done very well out of it for many years.
Any approach can be appropriate in a given set of circumstances.
.
Didn't do so well for Edward Miliband did it,
sometimes the little pussy boy wimps don't get the vote
So you're agreeing with me.
Depending on the circumstances, different approaches can work or fail.
Blindly demanding one option can prove just as disastrous as it might be successful.
The same person could be successful in one situation and fail in another."
nope;
regardless of party
A strong leader is always required, no if's, no buts |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Despite never having voted even once for her ..I too find this thread distasteful. She was democratically elected so if she had a fault it was shared by many many of the voting public."
Agree |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Thanks to her policies we can now have phones installed shortly after making a request as opposed to waiting six months. She treated everyone equally and gave council house tenants the opportunity to buy houses at a substantial discount.
By selling off nationalised industries she gave every member of society a chance to invest in then.
I am sure that the lorry drivers at NFC would have had no complaints about her policies .
She was a true lady of the people and out in place a strong economy which in turn meant bettèr funding for public services. "
Yet she was defenestrated by her own party.
Do you really believe that she made no mistakes at all? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"She was a strong leader, one thing the UK has not had for many a year.
.
like her or hate her, she was a strong leader
Being "strong" is not an inherently good trait if it is used to do something negative.
Mao and Hitler were "strong".
A consensus can also be an extremely successful approach. Germany has done very well out of it for many years.
Any approach can be appropriate in a given set of circumstances.
.
Didn't do so well for Edward Miliband did it,
sometimes the little pussy boy wimps don't get the vote
So you're agreeing with me.
Depending on the circumstances, different approaches can work or fail.
Blindly demanding one option can prove just as disastrous as it might be successful.
The same person could be successful in one situation and fail in another.
nope;
regardless of party
A strong leader is always required, no if's, no buts"
You don't even realise when you parody yourself
You've just said that it's more important to be "strong" than correct.
Can you really not see that every personality trait has both positive and negative consequences?
You really have never realised that there are multiple solutions to any problem?
You have never come to the conclusion that different situations require different tactics?
Of course not. Acknowledging a different possibility would be "weak"  |
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"She was a strong leader, one thing the UK has not had for many a year.
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like her or hate her, she was a strong leader
Being "strong" is not an inherently good trait if it is used to do something negative.
Mao and Hitler were "strong".
A consensus can also be an extremely successful approach. Germany has done very well out of it for many years.
Any approach can be appropriate in a given set of circumstances.
.
Didn't do so well for Edward Miliband did it,
sometimes the little pussy boy wimps don't get the vote
So you're agreeing with me.
Depending on the circumstances, different approaches can work or fail.
Blindly demanding one option can prove just as disastrous as it might be successful.
The same person could be successful in one situation and fail in another.
nope;
regardless of party
A strong leader is always required, no if's, no buts
You don't even realise when you parody yourself
You've just said that it's more important to be "strong" than correct.
Can you really not see that every personality trait has both positive and negative consequences?
You really have never realised that there are multiple solutions to any problem?
You have never come to the conclusion that different situations require different tactics?
Of course not. Acknowledging a different possibility would be "weak" "
OP, hindsight is a wonderful thing. Let’s have a little respect, don’t mock the dead, I’d like to think we’re all a bit better than that. We all have different views and beliefs, how would you feel if someone spoke about your mother like that ? |
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"She was a strong leader, one thing the UK has not had for many a year.
.
like her or hate her, she was a strong leader
Being "strong" is not an inherently good trait if it is used to do something negative.
Mao and Hitler were "strong".
A consensus can also be an extremely successful approach. Germany has done very well out of it for many years.
Any approach can be appropriate in a given set of circumstances.
.
Didn't do so well for Edward Miliband did it,
sometimes the little pussy boy wimps don't get the vote
So you're agreeing with me.
Depending on the circumstances, different approaches can work or fail.
Blindly demanding one option can prove just as disastrous as it might be successful.
The same person could be successful in one situation and fail in another.
nope;
regardless of party
A strong leader is always required, no if's, no buts
You don't even realise when you parody yourself
You've just said that it's more important to be "strong" than correct.
Can you really not see that every personality trait has both positive and negative consequences?
You really have never realised that there are multiple solutions to any problem?
You have never come to the conclusion that different situations require different tactics?
Of course not. Acknowledging a different possibility would be "weak" "
so which amazingly weak leader has done well for the UK post thatcher |
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As I was born in the early ‘70s I have little memory of how the country was before her but I’ve heard a lot that she changed many things for the worse.
Without putting a political slant on this, if some things are now much worse why are we still blaming someone that left power decades ago and why don’t we take some responsibility to change things for the better? |
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"As I was born in the early ‘70s I have little memory of how the country was before her but I’ve heard a lot that she changed many things for the worse.
Without putting a political slant on this, if some things are now much worse why are we still blaming someone that left power decades ago and why don’t we take some responsibility to change things for the better?"
CHANGE FOR THE BETTER!! (sorry about shouting)
You can't do that. It would mean that the lefties would have nothing to moan about and blame Thatcher for.
It would take away their whole reason to exist. |
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"She was a strong leader, one thing the UK has not had for many a year.
.
like her or hate her, she was a strong leader
Being "strong" is not an inherently good trait if it is used to do something negative.
Mao and Hitler were "strong".
A consensus can also be an extremely successful approach. Germany has done very well out of it for many years.
Any approach can be appropriate in a given set of circumstances.
.
Didn't do so well for Edward Miliband did it,
sometimes the little pussy boy wimps don't get the vote
So you're agreeing with me.
Depending on the circumstances, different approaches can work or fail.
Blindly demanding one option can prove just as disastrous as it might be successful.
The same person could be successful in one situation and fail in another.
nope;
regardless of party
A strong leader is always required, no if's, no buts
You don't even realise when you parody yourself
You've just said that it's more important to be "strong" than correct.
Can you really not see that every personality trait has both positive and negative consequences?
You really have never realised that there are multiple solutions to any problem?
You have never come to the conclusion that different situations require different tactics?
Of course not. Acknowledging a different possibility would be "weak"
so which amazingly weak leader has done well for the UK post thatcher"
9 fucking hours, and none of you can think up what any weak leader post thatcher has done for the good of the UK |
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"CHANGE FOR THE BETTER!! (sorry about shouting)
You can't do that. It would mean that the lefties would have nothing to moan about and blame Thatcher for.
It would take away their whole reason to exist. "
Funny how such a vocal supporter of British Tory Thatcherite ultra right wing unregulated monetarist capitalism lives in Germany, a country with probably the most regulated and centre left/left wing (and successful) economies in the EU and world. but then tories are like that, its all do as I say and not as I do in their world. |
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"many will grudgingly accept that like it or not, she got the job done.
What does 'get the job done' mean, really? Imbed far right values in British society?
She did a lot of damage to a lot of people, yet there's somehow this idea that because she was stern and authoritarian, she was delivering something positive.
She wasn't.
She modernised the United Kingdom and introduced a different set of values to society. The country was a shambles before Mrs T and like it or not she made big, big changes. As with all change.. Some benefited and some became casualties along the way.
It is easy to with hindsight to look at and highlight the things that people did wrong. Mrs T identified that the country needed modernising and she received very strong mandates from the electorate to do just that.
As someone who lived and worked in the shambles of the 70's I 100% agree.
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as a foreign lefty - left from labour I say she was an honorable foe. Though she served mostly the objectives of the upper class establishment and i certainly do not agree with her policies , but at least she had a vision where she want to lead Britain to and she stood her ground for it, unlike many contemporary leader all over Europe ( UK us still part if it) who have no vision but their very own benefit |
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"many will grudgingly accept that like it or not, she got the job done.
What does 'get the job done' mean, really? Imbed far right values in British society?
She did a lot of damage to a lot of people, yet there's somehow this idea that because she was stern and authoritarian, she was delivering something positive.
She wasn't.
She modernised the United Kingdom and introduced a different set of values to society. The country was a shambles before Mrs T and like it or not she made big, big changes. As with all change.. Some benefited and some became casualties along the way.
It is easy to with hindsight to look at and highlight the things that people did wrong. Mrs T identified that the country needed modernising and she received very strong mandates from the electorate to do just that.
As someone who lived and worked in the shambles of the 70's I 100% agree.
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As indeed did I and do I.
I remember a colleague of my father being beaten up for crossing a picket line to treat seriously ill people in a hospital that was being picketed by left wing thugs in 1978.
It's for those reasons that we needed someone like Mrs T then. It's also for those same reasons that even now many of our age will not vote Labour, especially with Jeremy in charge.
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"As I was born in the early ‘70s I have little memory of how the country was before her but I’ve heard a lot that she changed many things for the worse.
Without putting a political slant on this, if some things are now much worse why are we still blaming someone that left power decades ago and why don’t we take some responsibility to change things for the better?"
This!! |
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"She was a strong leader, one thing the UK has not had for many a year.
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like her or hate her, she was a strong leader
Being "strong" is not an inherently good trait if it is used to do something negative.
Mao and Hitler were "strong".
A consensus can also be an extremely successful approach. Germany has done very well out of it for many years.
Any approach can be appropriate in a given set of circumstances.
.
Didn't do so well for Edward Miliband did it,
sometimes the little pussy boy wimps don't get the vote
So you're agreeing with me.
Depending on the circumstances, different approaches can work or fail.
Blindly demanding one option can prove just as disastrous as it might be successful.
The same person could be successful in one situation and fail in another.
nope;
regardless of party
A strong leader is always required, no if's, no buts
You don't even realise when you parody yourself
You've just said that it's more important to be "strong" than correct.
Can you really not see that every personality trait has both positive and negative consequences?
You really have never realised that there are multiple solutions to any problem?
You have never come to the conclusion that different situations require different tactics?
Of course not. Acknowledging a different possibility would be "weak"
so which amazingly weak leader has done well for the UK post thatcher
9 fucking hours, and none of you can think up what any weak leader post thatcher has done for the good of the UK "
Because, like with Thatcher, it matters not what good you put forward about them, others will either say it wasn't good or they didn't actually do it.
But here's some.
Major - Got the Northern Ireland peace process going.
Blair - Got the Northern Ireland peace process working. Helped sort out the Balkans crises. Improved funding and out comes in NHS and Education.
Brown - Instrumental in coordinating the international response to the 2008 financial crash.
Cameron - Cut the deficit (not the debt) by half.
Now let's just sit back and see who agrees and who disagrees. |
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
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Thatcher for all her bad policies stood up to, and kicked the ass of all the union's.
These unions virtually ruled the country, they held the nation to ransom, every week they were calling for strikes and walkouts for reasons like "protecting tea breaks"
Thatcher stood up and destroyed the union power. . She gets my handshake for that |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So you will always be happy to grin and bear it when someone with more money and power than you keeps you down where you belong because that's the natural order of things.
I'm not in a union but I believe in us all having rights, many of which were fought for by unions in the past |
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"Thatcher for all her bad policies stood up to, and kicked the ass of all the union's.
These unions virtually ruled the country, they held the nation to ransom, every week they were calling for strikes and walkouts for reasons like "protecting tea breaks"
Thatcher stood up and destroyed the union power. . She gets my handshake for that "
Well said. An excellent post . I could never understand why anyone should be expected to pay more for anything because of a small minority of workers going on strike. |
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"Thatcher for all her bad policies stood up to, and kicked the ass of all the union's.
These unions virtually ruled the country, they held the nation to ransom, every week they were calling for strikes and walkouts for reasons like "protecting tea breaks"
Thatcher stood up and destroyed the union power. . She gets my handshake for that Well said. An excellent post . I could never understand why anyone should be expected to pay more for anything because of a small minority of workers going on strike. "
indeed;
and now today all workers are stabbing each other in the back for an extra hours overtime.
This is also why offshore workers have to now work 3 weeks on, 3 weeks off, rather than the 2 on / 3 off rota
no one unites and joins unions, everyone fights between themselves whilst management sits back and laughs.
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sure glad I walked away from it and enjoyed early retirement, far too many gutless workers today, ready to stab each other anyway they can for an extra hours pay |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"She was a strong leader, one thing the UK has not had for many a year.
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like her or hate her, she was a strong leader
Being "strong" is not an inherently good trait if it is used to do something negative.
Mao and Hitler were "strong".
A consensus can also be an extremely successful approach. Germany has done very well out of it for many years.
Any approach can be appropriate in a given set of circumstances.
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Didn't do so well for Edward Miliband did it,
sometimes the little pussy boy wimps don't get the vote
So you're agreeing with me.
Depending on the circumstances, different approaches can work or fail.
Blindly demanding one option can prove just as disastrous as it might be successful.
The same person could be successful in one situation and fail in another.
nope;
regardless of party
A strong leader is always required, no if's, no buts
You don't even realise when you parody yourself
You've just said that it's more important to be "strong" than correct.
Can you really not see that every personality trait has both positive and negative consequences?
You really have never realised that there are multiple solutions to any problem?
You have never come to the conclusion that different situations require different tactics?
Of course not. Acknowledging a different possibility would be "weak"
so which amazingly weak leader has done well for the UK post thatcher
9 fucking hours, and none of you can think up what any weak leader post thatcher has done for the good of the UK "
You still don't understand the point do you?
You just could not bring yourself to consider the possibility that there other ways of achieving things.
That is stubborn and inflexible. It's not being able to admit a problem and fix it.
You define yourself as "strong" therefore everything else is "weak".
It was a general point, not just about the UK.
However, thinking about what has been said and learning from it not part of your skill set so, never mind
Let's try a few leaders that you would not consider "strong".
David Lloyd George
Abuse in Bevan
Mohandas Gandhi
Almost all Heads of the Civil Service or Armed Forces with politically neutral structures
Leaders of the majority of scientific and medical research teams and organisations |
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
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Although not a fan of her and her policies I believe her time as prime minister she did 2 good things.Number 1 she encouraged a lot of people to buy their own home via the right to buy your council home at a reduced rate I believe this was a good thing as when you retire from work at least you can show that at the end of it you have a mortgage free home that is yours.Number 2 she resigned as prime minister. |
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By *asyukMan
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"Although not a fan of her and her policies I believe her time as prime minister she did 2 good things.Number 1 she encouraged a lot of people to buy their own home via the right to buy your council home at a reduced rate I believe this was a good thing as when you retire from work at least you can show that at the end of it you have a mortgage free home that is yours.Number 2 she resigned as prime minister."
Only one generation got this opportunity. Living in those houses and receiving a huge windfall now being paid for by the rest of society.
The housing shortage starts with that act. |
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"Although not a fan of her and her policies I believe her time as prime minister she did 2 good things.Number 1 she encouraged a lot of people to buy their own home via the right to buy your council home at a reduced rate I believe this was a good thing as when you retire from work at least you can show that at the end of it you have a mortgage free home that is yours.Number 2 she resigned as prime minister.
Only one generation got this opportunity. Living in those houses and receiving a huge windfall now being paid for by the rest of society.
The housing shortage starts with that act."
Based on the assumption that the occupant of a council house has to live somewhere ( either as a tenant or a owner occupier ) the selling off of council houses would not create a shortage. The existing occupier is simply being reclassified.
One factor that has contributed to the housing shortage in certain area is uncontrolled immigration. |
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By *asyukMan
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"Although not a fan of her and her policies I believe her time as prime minister she did 2 good things.Number 1 she encouraged a lot of people to buy their own home via the right to buy your council home at a reduced rate I believe this was a good thing as when you retire from work at least you can show that at the end of it you have a mortgage free home that is yours.Number 2 she resigned as prime minister.
Only one generation got this opportunity. Living in those houses and receiving a huge windfall now being paid for by the rest of society.
The housing shortage starts with that act. Based on the assumption that the occupant of a council house has to live somewhere ( either as a tenant or a owner occupier ) the selling off of council houses would not create a shortage. The existing occupier is simply being reclassified.
One factor that has contributed to the housing shortage in certain area is uncontrolled immigration. "
There is not "a housing shortage". There is a shortage of adequate housing in certain geographical areas and certain sections of society.
Council houses and flats are being sold for millions by rich people to other rich people. These would have been available for those who cannot afford these astronomical sums.
The proceeds of sales were also not allowed to be invested in additional housing.
There are plenty of offices and luxury investment properties being built but nothing for normal people.
Immigration does, of course, add to the pressure but the root cause is lack of investment.
Better to look close to home for solutions before placing blame on "them". |
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"Although not a fan of her and her policies I believe her time as prime minister she did 2 good things.Number 1 she encouraged a lot of people to buy their own home via the right to buy your council home at a reduced rate I believe this was a good thing as when you retire from work at least you can show that at the end of it you have a mortgage free home that is yours.Number 2 she resigned as prime minister.
Only one generation got this opportunity. Living in those houses and receiving a huge windfall now being paid for by the rest of society.
The housing shortage starts with that act."
No. The housing shortage comes almost totally and completely from the fact that not enough houses have been built over the last 30 years to meet the demand. The actually tenure of the occupancy makes little to no difference to the overall demand. In simple terms: If 10 families are looking for a home and only 9 homes are available then, whether for sale or let, we have a housing crisis; if 11 homes are available then we don't.
I will agree with yon that not allowing the money raised from the sail of council house stocks, under right to buy, to be reinvested in new builds has not helped the housing shortage. Whilst I generally agree with the right to buy I never really understood why that restriction was included. |
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"I remember a colleague of my father being beaten up for crossing a picket line to treat seriously ill people in a hospital that was being picketed by left wing thugs in 1978.
It's for those reasons that we needed someone like Mrs T then. It's also for those same reasons that even now many of our age will not vote Labour, especially with Jeremy in charge.
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So now that you have explained why you refuse to support JC, because criminal anarchists used demonstrations as a cover for violence (as they still do today). Please explain to my why you
instead you support a government who systematically strip us of our rights to withdraw labour and peaceful demonstration, use thugs (who seem to be totally above the law) in blue uniforms to attack peaceful demonstrations and beat to death innocent passers by on their way home from work? Because to my way of thinking the latter is much worse and more disturbing than the former.
Maybe the time is long overdue for you to sit down and objectively reevaluate exactly what you have slowly come to support and oppose over the last 40 years, because I think you may find that you have become a supporter of the very things you claim have led you to being a lifelong opponent of Labour. Remember one of the things I continually point out is that JC and today's Labour Party policies are not as left wing as those of that famous socialist PM and leader of the Conservative Party Ted Heath. |
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"I remember a colleague of my father being beaten up for crossing a picket line to treat seriously ill people in a hospital that was being picketed by left wing thugs in 1978.
It's for those reasons that we needed someone like Mrs T then. It's also for those same reasons that even now many of our age will not vote Labour, especially with Jeremy in charge.
So now that you have explained why you refuse to support JC, because criminal anarchists used demonstrations as a cover for violence (as they still do today). Please explain to my why you
instead you support a government who systematically strip us of our rights to withdraw labour and peaceful demonstration, use thugs (who seem to be totally above the law) in blue uniforms to attack peaceful demonstrations and beat to death innocent passers by on their way home from work? Because to my way of thinking the latter is much worse and more disturbing than the former.
Maybe the time is long overdue for you to sit down and objectively reevaluate exactly what you have slowly come to support and oppose over the last 40 years, because I think you may find that you have become a supporter of the very things you claim have led you to being a lifelong opponent of Labour. Remember one of the things I continually point out is that JC and today's Labour Party policies are not as left wing as those of that famous socialist PM and leader of the Conservative Party Ted Heath."
Maybe you should try the green button. Then look at yourself before you call others out.
I can find little merit in voting for BREXIT when you believe it's going to do more harm than good to most people in this country because YOU believe the people and the country need to be taught a lesson in humiliation. In my book that puts you even further to the right than Boris, Farage and Mogg. At least they, and other BREXITers claim they're doing it because they believe it's best for Britain and its people.
Although sometimes you make some good points I don't need you to tell me to open my eyes to see what's going on; I opened them a long time ago. Maybe if you'd opened your own eyes sooner yourself you might have come to a more realistic conclusion of what the people and the country actually need rather than concluding that we all need teaching a very punishing lesson.
And, just for the record, I was never a fan of Mrs T. I backed Heath.
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"Maybe you should try the green button. Then look at yourself before you call others out.
I can find little merit in voting for BREXIT when you believe it's going to do more harm than good to most people in this country because YOU believe the people and the country need to be taught a lesson in humiliation. In my book that puts you even further to the right than Boris, Farage and Mogg. At least they, and other BREXITers claim they're doing it because they believe it's best for Britain and its people.
Although sometimes you make some good points I don't need you to tell me to open my eyes to see what's going on; I opened them a long time ago. Maybe if you'd opened your own eyes sooner yourself you might have come to a more realistic conclusion of what the people and the country actually need rather than concluding that we all need teaching a very punishing lesson.
And, just for the record, I was never a fan of Mrs T. I backed Heath.
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Sorry I do not need to check the green button, my position has been consistent since I reached it. You (and others) keep referring to my position at present but fail to mention what I hope to be our final position. Which is: Having been forced to become just another 3rd state, not as a member of the EU with special opt outs or a 3rd state with special opt ins, at which point we will rejoin as a fully integrated member of the EU rather than the EU's petulant and delinquent family member.
And if you look back over my posts starting before the Scottish Independence Referendum you will see that the only thing I have changed my mind about was Scottish Independence where I reluctantly reached the conclusion that they should vote out and be forced out before any UK/EU referendum so that those in the rest of the UK got an object lesson in the reality of being outside the EU. |
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Margaret Thatcher tops Woman's Hour Power List
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Margaret Thatcher has topped a list of the women who have had the biggest impact on women's lives over the past 70 years.
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Feminist academic Germaine Greer also made the cut, as did Helen Brook, who set up the Brook Advisory Centres in 1964 offering contraceptive advice to unmarried women.
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The other names listed were Barbara Castle, the Labour MP who brought in the Equal Pay Act in 1970, and Jayaben Desai, who campaigned against low pay and poor conditions for women workers
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The 2016 Woman's Hour Power List
Winner: Margaret Thatcher - First female British prime minister from 1979-1990
? Helen Brook - Set up Brook Advisory Centres in 1964 offering contraceptive advice to unmarried women
? Barbara Castle - Labour MP for Blackburn (1945-1979) and brought in the Equal Pay Act in 1970
? Germaine Greer - Australian writer, recognised as one of the major voices of the feminist movement
? Jayaben Desai - Prominent leader of the strikers in the Grunwick dispute in London in 1976
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