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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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With Corbyn's labour going far left and Tories tending to right, do we need a new centrist political party? I think quite a few labour and tory MPs would be more comfortable in such a party, and it would be nice to have a party that I would feel good about voting for. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"With Corbyn's labour going far left and Tories tending to right, do we need a new centrist political party? I think quite a few labour and tory MPs would be more comfortable in such a party, and it would be nice to have a party that I would feel good about voting for. "
Surely that was Blairs labour tho ?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"With Corbyn's labour going far left and Tories tending to right, do we need a new centrist political party? I think quite a few labour and tory MPs would be more comfortable in such a party, and it would be nice to have a party that I would feel good about voting for. Surely that was Blairs labour tho ?"
Yeah, something similar to that would be very nice now, but doesnt exist. The labour party having changed its internal membership and election rules, means that it is permanently going to reflect the most left wing sector of society. There is now a big gap in the centre and the libdems are too feeble to fill it. |
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"With Corbyn's labour going far left"
What total crap! Go read the 1970 and 1974 Conservative Party Manifesto and then compare that to the last Labour manifesto. You will find that the Conservative Party of the 1970's had virtually the same policies as todays Labour party and on some issues the Tory policies were more left wing. the fact is today's Conservative party is not a centre right party, it is a hard to ultra right wing party. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"With Corbyn's labour going far left
What total crap! Go read the 1970 and 1974 Conservative Party Manifesto and then compare that to the last Labour manifesto. You will find that the Conservative Party of the 1970's had virtually the same policies as todays Labour party and on some issues the Tory policies were more left wing. the fact is today's Conservative party is not a centre right party, it is a hard to ultra right wing party."
Sorry, dont read old party manifestos, my life isn't that bad yet. But it probably explains why the UK was in such a big hole throughout the 70s. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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Actually I recall there being a breakaway from the Labour Party in the 1970’s or thereabouts. Called themselves the SDLP who eventually merged with the Liberals to become the Liberal Democratic Party (Lib Dems).
The issue is going to revolve around funding for any new Party. Broadly speaking, Conservatives get funded by big business and Labour get funded by Unions. UKIP were funded mainly by Aaron Banks and the rest rely on fairly small donations. For any “new” party to arrive on scene and make a difference, they would need a lot of existing support, infrastructure and money in order to field multiple candidates and to campaign.
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"With Corbyn's labour going far left and Tories tending to right, do we need a new centrist political party? I think quite a few labour and tory MPs would be more comfortable in such a party, and it would be nice to have a party that I would feel good about voting for. "
Centre party already exists in UK politics, it's called the Lib dems and they did appallingly at the last election. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A new party is needed, that would be a breath of fresh air. something similar to what macron did.   "
Sounds very attractive, but you have to ask yourself who are Macron's backers? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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If Labour want to be successful, then they need to look at what kind of policies they had when they got elected 3 times in a row.
Corbyn does not resonate with the majority of British voters, that's why Labour didn't win the last election.
With him at the helm, Labour face decades in the wilderness. |
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So this centrist party. What will it provide?
Just slightly affordable housing?
Just almost affordable higher education?
Just a partial saving of the NHS?
Just a dabbling into unjust, counterpriductive and illegal wars?
A smattering of job security?
A semi-restoration of public services?
A sort-of renationalsation of essential public services?
Asking nicely if corporations will pay their taxes?
Blocking about 50% of the tax avoidence loopholes that impoverish this country?
A half hearted reigning in of unfettered and destructive capitalism a la BHS, Carillon etc?
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
Corbyn's Labour are "Far Left"? 
They are a mainstream social democratic party, and want to see things which are widely already present in Europe and some other places.....
You've been reading "The Sun" too much, which seems to sling every label it possibly can at Corbyn, not appearing to notice/care that some of them are mutually exclusive..... |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"If Labour want to be successful, then they need to look at what kind of policies they had when they got elected 3 times in a row.
Corbyn does not resonate with the majority of British voters, that's why Labour didn't win the last election.
With him at the helm, Labour face decades in the wilderness. "
That was then, this is now.
Since 1997, 21 years of essentially Thatcherite policies and austerity have continued to grind the less well off of Britain into the dirt.
Tony Blair is now one of the least popular politicians in the country - an entire generation (mine) feels betrayed by New Labour. Third way, centre left parties have collapsed all over Europe and yet the Labour Party is still one of the biggest parties (in terms of membership) in Europe. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Corbyn's Labour are "Far Left"?
They are a mainstream social democratic party, and want to see things which are widely already present in Europe and some other places.....
You've been reading "The Sun" too much, which seems to sling every label it possibly can at Corbyn, not appearing to notice/care that some of them are mutually exclusive..... "
Nope, have never read the Sun, I am just aware that Corbyn and his proposed chancellor are marxists. Whatever their manifesto says or doesnt say, their aim would be to control the economy and the Bank of England. If you want to see what impoverishment really looks like, go ahead and vote for them. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Corbyn's Labour are "Far Left"?
They are a mainstream social democratic party, and want to see things which are widely already present in Europe and some other places.....
You've been reading "The Sun" too much, which seems to sling every label it possibly can at Corbyn, not appearing to notice/care that some of them are mutually exclusive.....
Nope, have never read the Sun, I am just aware that Corbyn and his proposed chancellor are marxists. Whatever their manifesto says or doesnt say, their aim would be to control the economy and the Bank of England. If you want to see what impoverishment really looks like, go ahead and vote for them."
Have you ever read Marx?
If you believe in an NHS, to an extent, you are a "Marxist".
A lot of their policies are in place in other European nations that have a better quality of life than the UK.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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No, haven't read Marx. I do know what communism did to Eastern Europe though. I know that some regard the NHS as the national religion but personally I haven't got to the point of believing in it yet. There are things about the NHS which could be improved by removing it from public control, in particular productivity. I dont think other European countries are run along Marxist lines, and although they have national health coverage with copayments, most dont have an NHS. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"No, haven't read Marx. I do know what communism did to Eastern Europe though. I know that some regard the NHS as the national religion but personally I haven't got to the point of believing in it yet. There are things about the NHS which could be improved by removing it from public control, in particular productivity. I dont think other European countries are run along Marxist lines, and although they have national health coverage with copayments, most dont have an NHS."
You've utterly missed my point- the point is that the concept of public ownership of resources came from Marx, ergo could be described as Marxist. That goes for any state run healthcare system.
Most of the main things Labour want seem to work elsewhere:
Free University education: Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Scotland.
Corporation tax above 20%:
Germany, USA, Japan, Canada.
National investment bank: Norway, Singapore, Australia.
Publicly owned railway:
Netherlands, France, Japan, Hong Kong.
Publicly owned national grid:
USA, Denmark, Sweden, New Zealand.
And so on.
What communism did in Eastern Europe is utterly irrelevant when you are discussing social democrats looking to build a mixed economy. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"No, haven't read Marx. I do know what communism did to Eastern Europe though. I know that some regard the NHS as the national religion but personally I haven't got to the point of believing in it yet. There are things about the NHS which could be improved by removing it from public control, in particular productivity. I dont think other European countries are run along Marxist lines, and although they have national health coverage with copayments, most dont have an NHS.
You've utterly missed my point- the point is that the concept of public ownership of resources came from Marx, ergo could be described as Marxist. That goes for any state run healthcare system.
Most of the main things Labour want seem to work elsewhere:
Free University education: Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Scotland.
Corporation tax above 20%:
Germany, USA, Japan, Canada.
National investment bank: Norway, Singapore, Australia.
Publicly owned railway:
Netherlands, France, Japan, Hong Kong.
Publicly owned national grid:
USA, Denmark, Sweden, New Zealand.
And so on.
What communism did in Eastern Europe is utterly irrelevant when you are discussing social democrats looking to build a mixed economy."
We have a social democracy already with a huge percentage of our budget spent on supporting the less well off. The NHS is another huge chunk of our public spending so actually we do have a mixed economy. Our personal tax rates including VAT are broadly the same as the rest of Western Europe. Corporate tax is now a bit lower and I agree that could easily be increased by a few percent to be in line with France and Germany. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/07/new-political-party-break-mould-westminster-uk-brexit
A new political party with access to up to £50m in funding has been secretly under development for more than a year by a network of entrepreneurs, philanthropists and donors keen to “break the Westminster mould”. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/07/new-political-party-break-mould-westminster-uk-brexit
A new political party with access to up to £50m in funding has been secretly under development for more than a year by a network of entrepreneurs, philanthropists and donors keen to “break the Westminster mould”."
Thanks but you gonna get banned for putting a link in - I learnt the hard way |
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"Sorry, dont read old party manifestos, my life isn't that bad yet. But it probably explains why the UK was in such a big hole throughout the 70s."
What a pathetic reply. I guess you don't bother reading any economic history either, because you clearly do not understand what happened economically in the 70's, or what we had that was stripped away from us with Thatchers monetarist policies. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/07/new-political-party-break-mould-westminster-uk-brexit
A new political party with access to up to £50m in funding has been secretly under development for more than a year by a network of entrepreneurs, philanthropists and donors keen to “break the Westminster mould”.
Thanks but you gonna get banned for putting a link in - I learnt the hard way"
Aren't links to news sites allowed? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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yeah great .... because what this country needs is yet more fucking mediocre business people who confuse economics with the infrastructure needs of a functioning society .... ffs!!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Sorry, dont read old party manifestos, my life isn't that bad yet. But it probably explains why the UK was in such a big hole throughout the 70s.
What a pathetic reply. I guess you don't bother reading any economic history either, because you clearly do not understand what happened economically in the 70's, or what we had that was stripped away from us with Thatchers monetarist policies."
You mean strike after strike, work to rule, unproductive mines producing injurious coal, inflation, IMF bailouts, 3 day weeks, piles of rubbish etc etc |
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