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This whole Russian thing

By *iverpool Lover OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

Everytine i turn on the news there is somthing on about this russian situation.

Nice to see that both father and daughter are getting better but omg the coverage this is getting is more than grenfel or certain terrorist attacks where there has been many deaths.

Theres been 50 murders in london alone since january, surely this is somthing more important.

The exposure this russian situation is getting over two attempted murders compared to actual murders happening is insane.

Plus whats with our government stopping member of the fanily coming to visit them in hospital?

Whats with within few hours of this whole debacle our goverment was accusing Russians even though the russians wanted to help and be apart of the investigation, whats with our goverment destroying important evidance by burning and destroying 2 hansters and a cat that lived in the house as the russian.

Why would russian goverment (putin) go ahead with such an attempt so close to his re-election plus why use novachic to do it knowing the world would know it waa russia, surely the knife and gun crime is so high in london that would be easier to expose of someone by a burgle attempt gone wrong?.

This whole incident simply looks like its been made to look like it was the russians because i see no benefit what so ever this would be to russia but more of a benefit to the uk and nato nations and US who has been placing sanctions on russia for years ever since they vetoed against regine change in syria.

Infact even before that weve been placing missile systems all around russias borders for a decade.

Russia has been in the news non stop last few years about interfering with elections, or brexit etc and now that was all dying down it feels like we needed to keep the script and agenda going about how bad and nasty russia is that we had to make a false flag operation and do somthing to get russia back in news and impose more sanctions.

Somthing doesnt smell right at all.

Trying to bump off two russians with russian chemicals simply doesnt make any sense and no benefit to putin what so ever....and hes a smart guy.

Only people who would benefit from this is uk, US and nato nations who have had it in for russia for years.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

American hegemony.

Resurgent Russia.

BRICS

The $

A UK in desperate need of a new place in the world.

The spin doctors will have been working overtime since the Porton Down fellow made Johnson look like a fool.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Russia and even to a lesser extent Eastern Europe are .. Rebellious, they've got to learn to tow the line and agree with everything the West says, when that happens we'll leave them in freedom to live the lifes we told them to live

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Russia is gathering the harvest it planted.It rightly deserves a much greater and harsher punishment in the future.Those that suckle at the Putin titty and fawn over his hard man image and willfully ignore his views on homosexuality and freedom of speech are traitorous.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We need to be careful ?

We've made this bed !

We should have helped and supported Russia more after the fall of communism instead of just taking advantage of Russias weakness at the time !

A bit like the allies after the First World War , and look what happened !

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

50 murders in London is unfortunately a minor issue next to the attempted murder of the Skripals. Fact is one is about an increase in teen gang killings in the capital and is a matter of policing. The other is a matter of utmost international importance because the accusation is that Russia has used a banned chemical agent on British soil to attempt to kill a former spy and therefore committed an act of war against the British people.

Like it or not, any story that has the potential of starting a war against a nuclear power that's leadership has shown a willingness to do anything to win tops a few gang killings every day of the week.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"We need to be careful ?

We've made this bed !

We should have helped and supported Russia more after the fall of communism instead of just taking advantage of Russias weakness at the time !

A bit like the allies after the First World War , and look what happened !

Spot on!

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By *iverpool Lover OP Man over a year ago

liverpool

"50 murders in London is unfortunately a minor issue next to the attempted murder of the Skripals. Fact is one is about an increase in teen gang killings in the capital and is a matter of policing. The other is a matter of utmost international importance because the accusation is that Russia has used a banned chemical agent on British soil to attempt to kill a former spy and therefore committed an act of war against the British people.

Can you give me one example of how putin plotting to kill this russian (who has served time for his crime) with a chemical agent that would point straight back to the russian goverment instead of a simple assassination by other means especially at time of a re-election.

There simply isnt one at all that would make any sense what so ever.

As ive said the only people to benefit from this is those that have it in for russia.

What ever you may think of putin he just isnt that dumb of a person.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"Can you give me one example of how putin plotting to kill this russian (who has served time for his crime) with a chemical agent that would point straight back to the russian goverment instead of a simple assassination by other means especially at time of a re-election.

There simply isnt one at all that would make any sense what so ever.

As ive said the only people to benefit from this is those that have it in for russia.

What ever you may think of putin he just isnt that dumb of a person.

The issue is not if Putin ordered the attempted assassination or not. In fact that is totally superflues to the issues, which are:

1. A weapon banned both by international law and treaty was used.

And 2. The British government has accused the Russian government of the attack.

The above 2 are the important issues and are the reason that russia has reacted so angrily and the increase in political tensions resulting in an increased level of military brinkmanship round our airspace and territorial waters. Of course BoJo is continually fanning the flames rather than doing his job and downplaying the crisis that is of his (and the government he is a member of) making.

And like it or not the British politician who comes out of this looking most statesmanlike is JC.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We need to be careful ?

We've made this bed !

We should have helped and supported Russia more after the fall of communism instead of just taking advantage of Russias weakness at the time !

A bit like the allies after the First World War , and look what happened !

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Do you know much about Russian history or even modern history?.

You raise a very interesting point little reported by western media, if you whirl back to 98 or 99 and the Russian election, which party were favourites to be elected!!.

Yes it was the communists... How bad do you think it was in the 90s in Russia when your re-electing the communists.

Now there was if I remember correctly a series of bombings in Russia which basically was the prelude to the Chechen war and this was the primary factor for the election of one Vladimir Putin, Russia was run by oligarchs and gangsters (in fact there one and the same).

There's connections back from lots and lots of these Russian murders to this beginning.

There's a book called blowing up Russia (I think), it's well worth a read if you want to understand the Geo politics of this

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

There simply isnt one at all that would make any sense what so ever.

As ive said the only people to benefit from this is those that have it in for russia.

What ever you may think of putin he just isnt that dumb of a person.

i am guessing someone has been watching RT again......

but what i will say is this.....

the tactics the russians have tried to use post attack are very similar to the ones they used with the dutch with regards to the shooting down of MH-17

firstly they put out various conspiracy theories,

then tried to muddy the waters,

then questions the dutch authorities,

then tried to get themselves on the independent investigation.......

they then questioned those findings in advance....

its is like a playbook moscow has....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There simply isnt one at all that would make any sense what so ever.

As ive said the only people to benefit from this is those that have it in for russia.

What ever you may think of putin he just isnt that dumb of a person.

The issue is not if Putin ordered the attempted assassination or not. In fact that is totally superflues to the issues, which are:

1. A weapon banned both by international law and treaty was used.

And 2. The British government has accused the Russian government of the attack.

And like it or not the British politician who comes out of this looking most statesmanlike is JC."
Hate to admit it , but I agree !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s all been set up by the u.k and the u.s.

Hv a look at the vids on YouTube. David Icke is spot on with why they’ve done it. All to start ww3. Which will happen.

Too many people believe fake news and what our government want people to believe.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"It’s all been set up by the u.k and the u.s.

Hv a look at the vids on YouTube. David Icke is spot on with why they’ve done it. All to start ww3. Which will happen.

Too many people believe fake news and what our government want people to believe.

I have no time for Ike and his conspiracy theories. Fact is we have a loudmouthed blusterer for a foreign secretary and a government that is in total disarray that has a history of inflating any issue that can be used as a distraction without first considering the ramifications of its actions. then when things start going wrong doubling down on their initial position and holding a party line until forced by events to retract and make quiet and grudging half apologies.

This is nothing but another example of BoJo going off at half cock. The only difference is this one could start a war we can't win!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s all been set up by the u.k and the u.s.

Hv a look at the vids on YouTube. David Icke is spot on with why they’ve done it. All to start ww3. Which will happen.

Too many people believe fake news and what our government want people to believe.

I thought the lizard people had something to do with this.I suppose the conspiracy theorists who love Putin want us to bomb the dark side of the moon.Seems legit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I dont think it will start a war. It is obvious the Russians have done it and they will use any means to point the finger at anyone else. I think the UK government response, including Bojo has been perfect, and it will make the Russians think twice before doing it again. Wont stop them trying to interfere in our elections and basically disrupt us as much as they can. Maybe JC can join Salmond on RT after he loses the next election.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"I dont think it will start a war. It is obvious the Russians have done it and they will use any means to point the finger at anyone else. I think the UK government response, including Bojo has been perfect, and it will make the Russians think twice before doing it again. Wont stop them trying to interfere in our elections and basically disrupt us as much as they can. Maybe JC can join Salmond on RT after he loses the next election. "

So who is lying, BoJo or the director of Porton Down?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So who is lying, BoJo or the director of Porton Down?"

I dont know who said what when, but it doesnt take a great brain to work this mystery out.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"It’s all been set up by the u.k and the u.s.

Hv a look at the vids on YouTube. David Icke is spot on with why they’ve done it. All to start ww3. Which will happen.

Too many people believe fake news and what our government want people to believe.

The Western media have not really reported on the Chinese starting up the Petro-Yuan, and they have dumped the Petro dollar to start trading in oil in Yuan instead. Russia and Iran have allied themselves with China along with North Korea, Egypt, Turkey, Lebanon, Bashir Al Assad's Syria and the BRICS alliance. First guy to dump the petro dollar and wanted to start up an alternative currency to trade in oil was Saddam Hussain in Iraq then the Americans and the West found a convenient excuse to go to war to remove him (weapons of mass destruction which we now know never existed). The next guy after Saddam who tried it was Colonel Gaddafi in Libya, when he became President of the African Union, he wanted to set up a united African currency to trade in oil and dump the Petro dollar. We know what happened next as the west found an excuse to go to war to remove Gaddafi. Both times the western media didn't really cover the fact that Saddam Hussain and Gaddafi wanted to dump the Petro dollar and start up an alternative trading currency in oil. The USA set up a deal with Saudi Arabia decades ago to trade all global oil in dollars, they won't allow anyone else in on the deal. It looks to me like history repeating itself and the West looking for excuses to go to war, (Trumps trade war with China, the diplomatic fall out over the Salisbury poisoning and Trumps war of words with Kim Jong Un over nuclear weapons in North Korea). This time is different though as Iraq and Libya were push overs militarily for the West. China is an economic superpower and Russia and North Korea are Nuclear powers who are all allied together. If this kicks off then it'll be the start of WW3.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s all been set up by the u.k and the u.s.

Hv a look at the vids on YouTube. David Icke is spot on with why they’ve done it. All to start ww3. Which will happen.

Too many people believe fake news and what our government want people to believe.

This is nothing but another example of BoJo going off at half cock. The only difference is this one could start a war we can't win! "
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It's not about starting a war!!.

This is part of the myth used on both sides to perpetuate military spending and fear in its own people!.

Every nation state has a "deep state" the Russians more than anyone, this probably was a Russian assassination attempt but what any good analyst will tell you is "state sponsored" ones tend to be a little bit more secretive and professional, there's many many layers to the Russian state, see my post above, Putin has more enemies at home than he does abroad, people like Boris berezovsky himself murdered are deeply implicated in Russian internal politics and Geo politics is used in that fight.

And just like them 'we" have politicians who know better using this as a tool, we have secret service personal engaged in both defensive and offensive policies, agents and counter agents and double agents and "traitors".

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Lmfao the uk and USA are behind this what next Elvis is still alive lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And I'd add it's not just Russian oligarchs who are bent and corrupt, do we forget Peter mandelsons the then EU commissioner for metals meeting with the Russian aluminium billionaire with the soon to be chancellor George podgy on the billionaire bankers yacht Nicholas Rothschild, the leftist the centrist the Russian mobster and the bankster!.

What about lord green who quite happily laundered billions from Mexican drug lords while head of HSBC, drug lords who murder hundreds of people a day!

The meddling in Ukrainian politics which caused the MH plane disaster, who's son is head of the largest gas fracking company in the Ukraine?? Ah that good old liberal ex Vice president Joe biden

Very nasty deeds get done by all sides in the name of money and power, all we're actually arguing about is who is the nastiest? And the only sheeple are those that don't realise there being played in a big game of chess

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lmfao the uk and USA are behind this what next Elvis is still alive lol"

Yeah, and USA never went to the moon and planes never hit the twin towers, it was just an experiment using a new secret energy weapon, and Steven Hawking died 30 years ago, and there is a cheap cure for cancer but the drug companies are hiding it. The internet's a wonderful place.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Although to be honest I'm more than happy to let the big birds fly, it's a spectacle I've been wanting to see before I shuffle off this life which is terminal anyhow!.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

For Gods sake, someone tell Putin about Fab...give him something to focus his free time on. That should stop him meddling in the affairs of other countries

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"For Gods sake, someone tell Putin about Fab...give him something to focus his free time on. That should stop him meddling in the affairs of other countries

I'm sure he already gets as much pussy as he wants, and who knows, maybe some cock too.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Lmfao the uk and USA are behind this what next Elvis is still alive lol

Yeah, and USA never went to the moon and planes never hit the twin towers, it was just an experiment using a new secret energy, and Steven Hawking died 30 years ago, and there is a cheap cure for cancer but the drug companies are hiding it. The internet's a wonderful place."

Poke fun all you like but If you think the USA are not capable of conducting false flag operations then go away and do some research about operation Northwoods in 1962. Operation Northwoods was a plan drawn up by the US department of defence and the Joint chiefs of staff to use CIA operatives to commit acts of terrorism against the American people, to make it look like Cuba were responsible as an excuse to justify an invasion of Cuba. The plan was rejected by the then President JFK.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"I'm sure he already gets as much pussy as he wants, and who knows, maybe some cock too."

Not sure he is interested in pussy...

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lmfao the uk and USA are behind this what next Elvis is still alive lol

Yes, and we know about that.Its not a question of capability - there are nasty people in every country. But big conspiracies are very difficult to keep secret for a long period of time.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Centaur the only ppl on here who think the USA has anything to do with this probably think jfk is still alive aswell as elvis lol

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

The Russian Ambassador in the UK now wants a meeting with the Foreign Secretary.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

Centy, let me leave you in on a secret...

Wardogs spend their time either fighting or planning wars and how to start and win them quickly by both overt and covert means. Political leaders generally spend their time keeping wardogs on very short leads and saying no to their plans. The problems come when wardogs are left off their leads of politicians decide to play at also being wardogs.

Now Centy, guess what callsign 'bonespurs' and BoJo are doing and also guess what Putin is!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You know the FSB were absolutely sure that the series of bombings in 1999 I mentioned above were Chechen!.

No hard evidence, nobody took responsibility, no arrests.

Of course the 300 and odd deaths was enough to finish off the communist lead in the polls, Putin was elected the following year and oligarchs like berezovsky, himself likely implemented in this whole episode are falling out with Putin and taking refuge in London.

Alexander litvineko was murdered by polonium poisoning while writing a book about Russian oligarchs like berezovskys involvement in this episode, that very same polonium was traced back to berezovskys office in London and he himself was later murdered probably by either Putin or MI6 because he'd started becoming unstable and mentioning this shit out loud.

September the 9th 1999 or 999 as they call it in Russia

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hmmmm sounds familiar

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By *ary_ArgyllMan over a year ago

Argyll

So who is lying, BoJo or the director of Porton Down?"

As far as I know from media the Director of Porton Down said the agent was military grade and likely to come from a state laboratory because it is not easy to make - and that was as far as he was prepared to go. Sounds reasonable to me - this stuff is not like radioisotopes which can in some cases be traced to specific reactors. BoJo claims to have put this together with some other intel which no-one else has seen and 'proved' the Russians did it - however other government spokespeople have said they 'believe' the Russians did it - which is a bit different level of proof. We are unlikely ever to be able to prove it one way or the other unless the actual person who stuck the stuff on the door handle is actually caught.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Seems half the country thinks the Russians did it. Half the country don't. International relations are at stake. Politicians are lying and making crazy accusations. Every second guy is an armchair expert. But really nobody has a bloody clue what's going on.

It's like Brexit all over again...

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

The OP is a huge Putin fanboi, of course he wouldn't see any link to Russia, despite the fact that Russia has done it before, the nerve agent was Russian and the attack was on a Russian spy and a Russian citizen.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

If this was a film, you'd sit there saying that it was an obvious set up and yet.....

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By *est Wales WifeCouple over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

"The OP is a huge Putin fanboi, of course he wouldn't see any link to Russia, despite the fact that Russia has done it before, the nerve agent was Russian and the attack was on a Russian spy and a Russian citizen.

There is of course not the slightest bit of evidence for any of that and you seem to be quoting Government propaganda put out by the mainstream media.

It is a simple truth that Russia is not the only state that could have made the nerve agent: dozens of them could. It could also have been made by many non-state actors.

Gary Aitkenhead, Chief Executive of Porton Down chemical weapons establishment – said in his Sky interview that “probably” only a state actor could create the nerve agent. That is to admit the possibility that a non state actor could.

David Collum, Professor of Organo-Chemistry at Cornell University, infinitely more qualified the CEO at Porton Down (who is NOT a chemist but was actually Motorola salesman), has stated that his senior students could do it.

The government (Boris) have lied about the certainty of the provenance of the nerve agent, and his fall back evidence is at present highly unconvincing.

The whole story is rubbish from start to finish.

Nerve agents – above all “military grade nerve agents” – were designed as battlefield weapons. They do not leave opponents fighting fit for hours. There is no description in the scientific literature of a nerve agent having this extraordinary time bomb effect.

This is from the Scientific American publication

Unlike traditional poisons, nerve agents don’t need to be added to food and drink to be effective. They are quite volatile, colourless liquids (except VX, said to resemble engine oil). The concentration in the vapour at room temperature is lethal. The symptoms of poisoning come on quickly, and include chest tightening, difficulty in breathing, and very likely asphyxiation. Associated symptoms include vomiting and massive incontinence. Victims of the Tokyo subway attack were reported to be bringing up blood. Kim Jong-nam died in less than 20 minutes. Eventually, you die either through asphyxiation or cardiac arrest.

While Vladimir Putin and his government are not beyond criticism – in fact, far from it – their misdeeds pale in comparison to the record of Western governments in destroying one country after the other in the Middle East.

The media's nonsense about Putin having expansionist aims is an attempt to throw a smokescreen over the West’s own expansionist agenda in Eastern Europe with the goal of throwing a cordon sanitaire around Russia in pursuit of a cold war agenda.

As I've said before it makes no sense at all from Russia's pont of view.

“Comrade Putin, we have successfully stockpiled novichoks in secret for ten years, and kept them hidden from the OPCW inspectors. We have also trained our agents in secret novichok assassination techniques. The programme has cost hundreds of millions of dollars, but now we are ready. Naturally, the first time we use it we will expose our secret and suffer massive international blowback. So who should be our first target? The head of a foreign intelligence agency? A leading jihadist rebel in Syria? A key nuclear scientist? Even a Head of State?”

“No, Tovarich. There is this old retired guy I know living in Salisbury. We released him from jail years ago…”

Wake up people and look what our neocon government is doing before it's too late. Start reading beyond the mainstream media that is all controlled by the establishment.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

There is of course not the slightest bit of evidence for any of that and you seem to be quoting Government propaganda put out by the mainstream media.

It is a simple truth that Russia is not the only state that could have made the nerve agent: dozens of them could. It could also have been made by many non-state actors.

The government (Boris) have lied about the certainty of the provenance of the nerve agent, and his fall back evidence is at present highly unconvincing.

The whole story is rubbish from start to finish.

This is from the Scientific American publication

As I've said before it makes no sense at all from Russia's pont of view.

“No, Tovarich. There is this old retired guy I know living in Salisbury. We released him from jail years ago…”

Wake up people and look what our neocon government is doing before it's too late. Start reading beyond the mainstream media that is all controlled by the establishment. "

No? No evidence that the Russians have done it before? Tell that to Markov and Litvinyenko.

Novichok is Russian/USSR. If you believe that not to be the case, then which country to you believe invented it.

If you believe that Skripal wasn't a spy, what do you think his conviction was for?

If you believe that his daughter isn't a Russian citizen, then where do you think she is a citizen?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How do you know it was the Russians when even a specialized lab cannot identify the origin ? Do you have any special trustworthy sources no one else has ? like BoJo?

Assuming the Russians where really behind it, how do you get this stuff into the country when even bringing more then 100 ml of cosmetics gets you into trouble . Did they land it with a helicopter , bypassing airspace security? Or shipped it in with a drone ?

Seriously , the guy was a double agent and i guess the list of enemies he made in that career is long , from other spies he delivered to one or the other side over mobsters etc. I would assume that the Russian secret service is professional enough to take anyone out, and if the Russians really had the intend to kill him, they would have done so, not leaving any chance to recover ....

Rejecting the victims family to visit him? Why? Could he or his daughter say anything which makes current embarrassing situation worse?

Some one mentioned above global politics is a big chess game . I agree, and Putin is known as being an extremely good chess player

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

How do you know it was the Russians when even a specialized lab cannot identify the origin ? Do you have any special trustworthy sources no one else has ? like BoJo?

Rejecting the victims family to visit him? Why? Could he or his daughter say anything which makes current embarrassing situation worse?

Some one mentioned above global politics is a big chess game . I agree, and Putin is known as being an extremely good chess player"

The nerve agent is Russian, who do you think invented it if not the Russians/USSR?

I would assume they brought it in via diplomatic pouch, also, plane is not the only way in and out of the country, there are ferries and even a train.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How do you know it was the Russians when even a specialized lab cannot identify the origin ? Do you have any special trustworthy sources no one else has ? like BoJo?

Rejecting the victims family to visit him? Why? Could he or his daughter say anything which makes current embarrassing situation worse?

Some one mentioned above global politics is a big chess game . I agree, and Putin is known as being an extremely good chess player

The nerve agent is Russian, who do you think invented it if not the Russians/USSR?

I would assume they brought it in via diplomatic pouch, also, plane is not the only way in and out of the country, there are ferries and even a train.

that Novichok has been invented in USSR is undebated, that doesn’t mean that other states or anyone with appropriate equipment could not reproduce it. As the daughter is quite isolated and “protected” by Secret Service” men, she could be pressured by British secrets service as one suspects that Russians do

On anything of this kind there is akways the question of “ quo boni” - who has a benefit. I cannot see the benefit for the Russians to take a retired agent out. They were done with him all long. And late revenge in such amateur manner ain’t Russian style either . If they go for the kill, they do it properly and wouldn’t leave the slightest chance for BoJo and entourage to embarrass them self

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

How do you know it was the Russians when even a specialized lab cannot identify the origin ? Do you have any special trustworthy sources no one else has ? like BoJo?

Rejecting the victims family to visit him? Why? Could he or his daughter say anything which makes current embarrassing situation worse?

Some one mentioned above global politics is a big chess game . I agree, and Putin is known as being an extremely good chess player

The nerve agent is Russian, who do you think invented it if not the Russians/USSR?

I would assume they brought it in via diplomatic pouch, also, plane is not the only way in and out of the country, there are ferries and even a train.

Quite.

As if where it was invented, decades ago means it can still only be made there.

Also I do love this USSR/Russia thing, as if they are somehow one and the same.

Consider the states that made up the USSR and its many sattelites in Eastern Europe - presumably there was quite a bit of information-sharing going on....

It's almost like saying that a Diesel engine could only come from Germany....

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

How do you know it was the Russians when even a specialized lab cannot identify the origin ? Do you have any special trustworthy sources no one else has ? like BoJo?

Rejecting the victims family to visit him? Why? Could he or his daughter say anything which makes current embarrassing situation worse?

Some one mentioned above global politics is a big chess game . I agree, and Putin is known as being an extremely good chess player

The nerve agent is Russian, who do you think invented it if not the Russians/USSR?

I would assume they brought it in via diplomatic pouch, also, plane is not the only way in and out of the country, there are ferries and even a train.

If she felt any pressure from the UK security services then wouldn't she be more likely to accept assistance from her government?

I'm glad that you accept the undebated assertion that Novichok is Russian as I stated.

Russia benefits, or they assumed that they would when they did it. It was a signal that anyone who fucks with Putin or the Russian state can be got to. It doesn't matter if you have escaped the country, they can reach out and get you, and get your family too. It's not going to be quick, it's going to be long, nasty, painful, and while you are lying there dying, you will know exactly who has done this to you.

That is a very very powerful motivation for someone like Putin. He doesn't want anyone to think that you can fuck with him with impunity.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

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How do you know it was the Russians when even a specialized lab cannot identify the origin ? Do you have any special trustworthy sources no one else has ? like BoJo?

Rejecting the victims family to visit him? Why? Could he or his daughter say anything which makes current embarrassing situation worse?

Some one mentioned above global politics is a big chess game . I agree, and Putin is known as being an extremely good chess player

The nerve agent is Russian, who do you think invented it if not the Russians/USSR?

I would assume they brought it in via diplomatic pouch, also, plane is not the only way in and out of the country, there are ferries and even a train.

If she felt any pressure from the UK security services then wouldn't she be more likely to accept assistance from her government?

I'm glad that you accept the undebated assertion that Novichok is Russian as I stated.

That is a very very powerful motivation for someone like Putin. He doesn't want anyone to think that you can fuck with him with impunity. "

No, you said it was "Russian/Soviet", meaning somehow you think they are the same thing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How do you know it was the Russians when even a specialized lab cannot identify the origin ? Do you have any special trustworthy sources no one else has ? like BoJo?

Rejecting the victims family to visit him? Why? Could he or his daughter say anything which makes current embarrassing situation worse?

Some one mentioned above global politics is a big chess game . I agree, and Putin is known as being an extremely good chess player

The nerve agent is Russian, who do you think invented it if not the Russians/USSR?

I would assume they brought it in via diplomatic pouch, also, plane is not the only way in and out of the country, there are ferries and even a train.

Rejecting the family because they may be pressured by the Russian state. Perhaps you should be asking yourself why the daughter is refusing to see the Russian embassy staff. If I was nearly killed in a nerve agent attack in some foreign land, I would be very keen of some consular assistance from the British government. Why isn't she? Could it be because she thinks her own government just tried to kill her? "
so by your way of thinking whoever invented guns are the ones who committed every gun crime? Has ever occurred to you that this agent probably can be made in different labs around the world? . It took the uk government 45 mins to discover a never agent that is not ment to be discovered ..how is this possible unless you have major knowledge about said never agent?