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Like people would miss her lmao | |||
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"She feels British. She wants to stay in Britain. You are surprised?" So not like Ian Paisley who declared that he was loyal to The Crown provided The Crown was loyal to him when forming the (now banned as a terrorist organisation) UDA... | |||
"She feels British. She wants to stay in Britain. You are surprised?" Clearly diesnt care that much about The north and south of Ireland its retaining the UK at any cost for unionists we are all seeing their teue colours come out Btw Which country in the British isles i doubt she will be welcome in Scotland ? Lol England feel free to take her lol | |||
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"True colours? She is red, white and blue, through and through. Did you not know that? " Yes unionism very nasty thing I think Ireland would be junping for joy the day she leaves get rid of all the anti gay DUP scumbags | |||
" Yes unionism very nasty thing I think Ireland would be junping for joy the day she leaves get rid of all the anti gay DUP scumbags" Nasty? Is that how you persuade unionists to the cause of independence, by calling them nasty? You seem to forget that the majority in both Scotland and Northern Ireland are unionists. Good luck persuading them by insulting them. | |||
" Yes unionism very nasty thing I think Ireland would be junping for joy the day she leaves get rid of all the anti gay DUP scumbags Nasty? And you wonder why unionists are hesitant about how there life might be within United ireland. We are all nasty people? Really? Is that how you persuade unionists to the cause of independence, by calling them nasty? You seem to forget that the majority in both Scotland and Northern Ireland are unionists. Good luck persuading them by insulting them." | |||
" Yes unionism very nasty thing I think Ireland would be junping for joy the day she leaves get rid of all the anti gay DUP scumbags Nasty? Is that how you persuade unionists to the cause of independence, by calling them nasty? You seem to forget that the majority in both Scotland and Northern Ireland are unionists. Good luck persuading them by insulting them." Not all are nasty some have already changed their minds and the are welcome But you cannot deny unionist on here have not been nasty with the abuse name calling belittling people making jokes about people illness | |||
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"Arlene Foster is the one wanting to leave am sure as hell people in a united Ireland wont miss her lol " Definitely would I may not like her idea of keeping ulster in British hands , But other wise she is one of the best political leaders on the island , | |||
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"And I would go further and say I think she would make it into power with one of the main party's here , as it is both of the main parties here are looking over there shoulder at sinn Fein getting stronger , she would be ideal to be a junior party in government , " Can’t see it happening mate. If there was a United ireland I actually think unionists partys would do what the shinners do in Westminster and be absentionists. They wouldn’t have the numbers to do anything anyway. Just my tupence worth | |||
" Yes unionism very nasty thing I think Ireland would be junping for joy the day she leaves get rid of all the anti gay DUP scumbags Nasty? Is that how you persuade unionists to the cause of independence, by calling them nasty? You seem to forget that the majority in both Scotland and Northern Ireland are unionists. Good luck persuading them by insulting them. Not all are nasty some have already changed their minds and the are welcome But you cannot deny unionist on here have not been nasty with the abuse name calling belittling people making jokes about people illness " So anyone who is anti-gay is a scumbag? | |||
"She feels British. She wants to stay in Britain. You are surprised? So not like Ian Paisley who declared that he was loyal to The Crown provided The Crown was loyal to him when forming the (now banned as a terrorist organisation) UDA... " No she's nothing like Ian Paisley who ended his political career more interested in staying in power than adhering to principles. Interested in how you think he formed the UDA (he didnt). | |||
"Arlene Foster gave a huge boost fir a united Ireland saying she would leave Ireland
Like people would miss her lmao ". She is the leader of the party which polled more votes than any other party in Northern Ireland so it is safe to assume that lots of people will miss her. As in Scotland lots of voters have sufficient common sense to appreciate the support of the British taxpayer . When it came to the crux in Scotland voters took this into account and if there was a referundum on a United Ireland this would also be the case . | |||
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" Yes unionism very nasty thing I think Ireland would be junping for joy the day she leaves get rid of all the anti gay DUP scumbags Nasty? Is that how you persuade unionists to the cause of independence, by calling them nasty? You seem to forget that the majority in both Scotland and Northern Ireland are unionists. Good luck persuading them by insulting them." You are either for them or you are the enemy. plain and simple. | |||
"Arlene Foster is the one wanting to leave am sure as hell people in a united Ireland wont miss her lol Definitely would I may not like her idea of keeping ulster in British hands , But other wise she is one of the best political leaders on the island ," Think Cavan Monaghan an Donegal would have something to say about keeping Ulster British  | |||
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"Arlene Foster gave a huge boost fir a united Ireland saying she would leave Ireland
Like people would miss her lmao "seriously... if that was the one thing you took out of the brilliant patrick kilty documentry and decided to spin it... you should be ashamed of yourself!!!! FFS..... really? go any watch the other 59 minutes and 30 seconds of it!  | |||
"They are in the British Isles. " A United ireland is only a matter of time , get over it | |||
"Arlene Foster gave a huge boost fir a united Ireland saying she would leave Ireland
Like people would miss her lmao
seriously... if that was the one thing you took out of the brilliant patrick kilty documentry and decided to spin it... you should be ashamed of yourself!!!!
FFS..... really? go any watch the other 59 minutes and 30 seconds of it! "Agree it was excellent .loved his gag about about a better class of Terroist ! | |||
"Arlene Foster gave a huge boost fir a united Ireland saying she would leave Ireland
Like people would miss her lmao
seriously... if that was the one thing you took out of the brilliant patrick kilty documentry and decided to spin it... you should be ashamed of yourself!!!!
FFS..... really? go any watch the other 59 minutes and 30 seconds of it! " | |||
"They are in the British Isles. " That is a true geographical term for England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Rep of Ireland and all associated Islands. It means nothing politically with respect to Rep of Ireland and Great Britain | |||
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"Just another the UK is doomed!!!! Thread !!! " he no, think its more an England is doomed thread, how would England survive without the Irish & Scots? still they do have their wee lap dog Wales standing side by side | |||
"Just another the UK is doomed!!!! Thread !!! he no, think its more an England is doomed thread, how would England survive without the Irish & Scots? still they do have their wee lap dog Wales standing side by side "Is that in the same way the greens are saint Nicolas lap dogs. After all that needed the greens for the indyref 2 vote !! | |||
"Just another the UK is doomed!!!! Thread !!! he no, think its more an England is doomed thread, how would England survive without the Irish & Scots? still they do have their wee lap dog Wales standing side by side
Is that in the same way the greens are saint Nicolas lap dogs.
After all that needed the greens for the indyref 2 vote !!"Those in glass houses Greenoakmale Did Labour vote the Tories in making sure the SNP didnt get have Falkirk council even though SNP were the largest party in Falkirk So that would make the wee shit Scottish Labour branch office lap dugs of the Scottish Tory branch ? But then again what do i expect when Scottish Labour branch in Falkirk pre council elections in 2017 thought it was more than ok to fund an orange order march with peoples tax payers money was that money well funded eh ? | |||
"Just another the UK is doomed!!!! Thread !!! he no, think its more an England is doomed thread, how would England survive without the Irish & Scots? still they do have their wee lap dog Wales standing side by side
Is that in the same way the greens are saint Nicolas lap dogs.
After all that needed the greens for the indyref 2 vote !!
Those in glass houses Greenoakmale
Did Labour vote the Tories in making sure the SNP didnt get have Falkirk council even though SNP were the largest party in Falkirk
So that would make the wee shit Scottish Labour branch office lap dugs of the Scottish Tory branch ?
But then again what do i expect when Scottish Labour branch in Falkirk pre council elections in 2017 thought it was more than ok to fund an orange order march with peoples tax payers money was that money well funded eh ?
"And we have been over this as well !!! The snp worked with the Tories in Dumfries and Galloway and East Ayrshire I can't be bothered to look for more examples. As I stated before councillors work with who they can deal with. Maybe the falkirk snp councillors were like the four deselected snp councillors from lanarkshirevwho could not even be in the same room as their on party members. If the snp work with Tories I don't care but stop being a hypocrite and saying your party does not do it when it serves the public. | |||
"Just another the UK is doomed!!!! Thread !!! he no, think its more an England is doomed thread, how would England survive without the Irish & Scots? still they do have their wee lap dog Wales standing side by side
Is that in the same way the greens are saint Nicolas lap dogs.
After all that needed the greens for the indyref 2 vote !!
Those in glass houses Greenoakmale
Did Labour vote the Tories in making sure the SNP didnt get have Falkirk council even though SNP were the largest party in Falkirk
So that would make the wee shit Scottish Labour branch office lap dugs of the Scottish Tory branch ?
But then again what do i expect when Scottish Labour branch in Falkirk pre council elections in 2017 thought it was more than ok to fund an orange order march with peoples tax payers money was that money well funded eh ?
And we have been over this as well !!!
The snp worked with the Tories in Dumfries and Galloway and East Ayrshire I can't be bothered to look for more examples.
As I stated before councillors work with who they can deal with.
Maybe the falkirk snp councillors were like the four deselected snp councillors from lanarkshirevwho could not even be in the same room as their on party members.
If the snp work with Tories I don't care but stop being a hypocrite and saying your party does not do it when it serves the public."Lmao offfttt angry much not my damn fault your wee Scottish Labour branch is working the Torys and using tax payers money to fund orange order marches but hey you dont seem to have a problem with that | |||
"Just another the UK is doomed!!!! Thread !!! he no, think its more an England is doomed thread, how would England survive without the Irish & Scots? still they do have their wee lap dog Wales standing side by side
Is that in the same way the greens are saint Nicolas lap dogs.
After all that needed the greens for the indyref 2 vote !!
Those in glass houses Greenoakmale
Did Labour vote the Tories in making sure the SNP didnt get have Falkirk council even though SNP were the largest party in Falkirk
So that would make the wee shit Scottish Labour branch office lap dugs of the Scottish Tory branch ?
But then again what do i expect when Scottish Labour branch in Falkirk pre council elections in 2017 thought it was more than ok to fund an orange order march with peoples tax payers money was that money well funded eh ?
And we have been over this as well !!!
The snp worked with the Tories in Dumfries and Galloway and East Ayrshire I can't be bothered to look for more examples.
As I stated before councillors work with who they can deal with.
Maybe the falkirk snp councillors were like the four deselected snp councillors from lanarkshirevwho could not even be in the same room as their on party members.
If the snp work with Tories I don't care but stop being a hypocrite and saying your party does not do it when it serves the public."uhmm, wasn’t this thread about a united Ireland rather than municipality politics in Scotland ?  | |||
" uhmm, wasn’t this thread about a united Ireland rather than municipality politics in Scotland ? "Even threads about nerve gas end up being about Scotland. | |||
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" uhmm, wasn’t this thread about a united Ireland rather than municipality politics in Scotland ?
Even threads about nerve gas end up being about Scotland."Noticing a trend that Scotland is getting talked about and people hate it oh well lol | |||
"Just another the UK is doomed!!!! Thread !!! he no, think its more an England is doomed thread, how would England survive without the Irish & Scots? still they do have their wee lap dog Wales standing side by side
Is that in the same way the greens are saint Nicolas lap dogs.
After all that needed the greens for the indyref 2 vote !!"nope greenoak now if I had said the Tories and their Irish paid lapdogs, then you could have came back with the greens are saint Nicolas lap dogs. . have a little think about it
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But I said England and their Welsh lapdogs, maybe it will click soon | |||
" uhmm, wasn’t this thread about a united Ireland rather than municipality politics in Scotland ?
Even threads about nerve gas end up being about Scotland."i think "someone" turns everything in scotland like we all play 6 degrees of kevin bacon.... link everything back to scotland in 6 posts of less........ | |||
" uhmm, wasn’t this thread about a united Ireland rather than municipality politics in Scotland ?
Even threads about nerve gas end up being about Scotland."So you know where I can get some ??? not that cheap Russian shite !!! | |||
"Just another the UK is doomed!!!! Thread !!! he no, think its more an England is doomed thread, how would England survive without the Irish & Scots? still they do have their wee lap dog Wales standing side by side
Is that in the same way the greens are saint Nicolas lap dogs.
After all that needed the greens for the indyref 2 vote !!
nope greenoak
now if I had said the Tories and their Irish paid lapdogs, then you could have came back with the greens are saint Nicolas lap dogs.
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have a little think about it
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But I said England and their Welsh lapdogs, maybe it will click soon"Only thing clicking with me is my hips !!! | |||
" uhmm, wasn’t this thread about a united Ireland rather than municipality politics in Scotland ?
Even threads about nerve gas end up being about Scotland.
So you know where I can get some ???
not that cheap Russian shite !!! "Try Amazon for the recipe | |||
"She feels British. She wants to stay in Britain. You are surprised? So not like Ian Paisley who declared that he was loyal to The Crown provided The Crown was loyal to him when forming the (now banned as a terrorist organisation) UDA... No she's nothing like Ian Paisley who ended his political career more interested in staying in power than adhering to principles. Interested in how you think he formed the UDA (he didnt)." He did form the UVF which was also a loyalist paramilitary terrorist organisation. They clearly got the names mixed up so their basic point wasnt wrong, Paisley did set up a terrorist organisation. | |||
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"Ian Paisley formed up a terrorist organisation ?...Wow you should have told the army as they thought it was an ex soldier...Slater, No not Dels nemisis, another thug.....Paisley did buddy up to a murederous thug in McGuiness though , i will give you that "Ian Paisley was a founder member of the UDA and only resigned from that organisation 1 minute before it became a proscribed organisation under the Prevention Of Terrorism Act. | |||
"Ian Paisley formed up a terrorist organisation ?...Wow you should have told the army as they thought it was an ex soldier...Slater, No not Dels nemisis, another thug.....Paisley did buddy up to a murederous thug in McGuiness though , i will give you that "Oh I remember you from last week, you knew nothing then and you know nothing now. "In April, Ulster loyalists led by Ian Paisley, a Protestant fundamentalist preacher, founded the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee (UCDC). It set up a paramilitary-style wing called the Ulster Protestant Volunteers (UPV).[30] The 'Paisleyites' set out to stymie the civil rights movement and oust Terence O'Neill, Prime Minister of Northern Ireland. Although O'Neill was a unionist, they saw him as being too 'soft' on the civil rights movement and too friendly with the Republic of Ireland. There was to be much overlap in membership between the UCDC/UPV and the UVF." If you dont know anything at all about the subject why would you try to argue and attempt to be smug about it at the same time? | |||
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"Ian Paisley formed up a terrorist organisation ?...Wow you should have told the army as they thought it was an ex soldier...Slater, No not Dels nemisis, another thug.....Paisley did buddy up to a murederous thug in McGuiness though , i will give you that
Oh I remember you from last week, you knew nothing then and you know nothing now.
"In April, Ulster loyalists led by Ian Paisley, a Protestant fundamentalist preacher, founded the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee (UCDC). It set up a paramilitary-style wing called the Ulster Protestant Volunteers (UPV).[30] The 'Paisleyites' set out to stymie the civil rights movement and oust Terence O'Neill, Prime Minister of Northern Ireland. Although O'Neill was a unionist, they saw him as being too 'soft' on the civil rights movement and too friendly with the Republic of Ireland. There was to be much overlap in membership between the UCDC/UPV and the UVF."
If you dont know anything at all about the subject why would you try to argue and attempt to be smug about it at the same time?"The lady concerned is perfectly entitled to comment on the forum and express an opinion . Her opinion is as valid , if not more valid than the opinion of other members . As far as I am aware Ian Paisley was never a member of any terrorist organisation . He was a politician , not a terrorist . It is difficult to see what point there is or why you consider it necessary to copy and paste the summary which you have posted into the thread . | |||
"Ian Paisley formed up a terrorist organisation ?...Wow you should have told the army as they thought it was an ex soldier...Slater, No not Dels nemisis, another thug.....Paisley did buddy up to a murederous thug in McGuiness though , i will give you that
Oh I remember you from last week, you knew nothing then and you know nothing now.
"In April, Ulster loyalists led by Ian Paisley, a Protestant fundamentalist preacher, founded the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee (UCDC). It set up a paramilitary-style wing called the Ulster Protestant Volunteers (UPV).[30] The 'Paisleyites' set out to stymie the civil rights movement and oust Terence O'Neill, Prime Minister of Northern Ireland. Although O'Neill was a unionist, they saw him as being too 'soft' on the civil rights movement and too friendly with the Republic of Ireland. There was to be much overlap in membership between the UCDC/UPV and the UVF."
If you dont know anything at all about the subject why would you try to argue and attempt to be smug about it at the same time?
The lady concerned is perfectly entitled to comment on the forum and express an opinion . Her opinion is as valid , if not more valid than the opinion of other members .
As far as I am aware Ian Paisley was never a member of any terrorist organisation . He was a politician , not a terrorist .
It is difficult to see what point there is or why you consider it necessary to copy and paste the summary which you have posted into the thread ."It is difficult to see why you cant discern the difference between an opinion and a fact. Or in her case an opinion and a lie. Maybe theres some adult education services you could avail of that may help. It is a widely known fact that Ian Paisley was involved in the running of a loyalist terrorist organisation. The fact that you arent aware of it has absolutely no bearing on its veracity as youve continually demonstrated that you are unaware of the basic facts of most of the discussions you take part in, the basics of how the economy works and how to maintain an online account which is the only reason I can see for you constantly switching them. And as a final point her opinion is very much less valid than others because her opinion is an uninformed one. Thats why she smugly tried to make fun of a poster who initially referenced Paisleys terrorist past despite the fact she was completely in the wrong. | |||
"Ian Paisley formed up a terrorist organisation ?...Wow you should have told the army as they thought it was an ex soldier...Slater, No not Dels nemisis, another thug.....Paisley did buddy up to a murederous thug in McGuiness though , i will give you that
Oh I remember you from last week, you knew nothing then and you know nothing now.
"In April, Ulster loyalists led by Ian Paisley, a Protestant fundamentalist preacher, founded the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee (UCDC). It set up a paramilitary-style wing called the Ulster Protestant Volunteers (UPV).[30] The 'Paisleyites' set out to stymie the civil rights movement and oust Terence O'Neill, Prime Minister of Northern Ireland. Although O'Neill was a unionist, they saw him as being too 'soft' on the civil rights movement and too friendly with the Republic of Ireland. There was to be much overlap in membership between the UCDC/UPV and the UVF."
If you dont know anything at all about the subject why would you try to argue and attempt to be smug about it at the same time?
The lady concerned is perfectly entitled to comment on the forum and express an opinion . Her opinion is as valid , if not more valid than the opinion of other members .
As far as I am aware Ian Paisley was never a member of any terrorist organisation . He was a politician , not a terrorist .
It is difficult to see what point there is or why you consider it necessary to copy and paste the summary which you have posted into the thread .
It is difficult to see why you cant discern the difference between an opinion and a fact. Or in her case an opinion and a lie. Maybe theres some adult education services you could avail of that may help.
It is a widely known fact that Ian Paisley was involved in the running of a loyalist terrorist organisation. The fact that you arent aware of it has absolutely no bearing on its veracity as youve continually demonstrated that you are unaware of the basic facts of most of the discussions you take part in, the basics of how the economy works and how to maintain an online account which is the only reason I can see for you constantly switching them.
And as a final point her opinion is very much less valid than others because her opinion is an uninformed one. Thats why she smugly tried to make fun of a poster who initially referenced Paisleys terrorist past despite the fact she was completely in the wrong."An opinion may be uninformed according to your criteria but informed and valid to lots of the members of most members . It may be that you should consider investigating the validity of your so called facts or links . In the case of the opinion expressed by the lady concerned she is correct and as far as I am aware Ian Paisley was never a member of any terrorist association. In real life anyone interested in a detailed analysis of facts would not be posting on a forum such as this. These forums are meant to be light hearted fun. Luckily most member posting treat othe members with respect regardless of their opinions. | |||
" An opinion may be uninformed according to your criteria but informed and valid to lots of the members of most members . It may be that you should consider investigating the validity of your so called facts or links . In the case of the opinion expressed by the lady concerned she is correct and as far as I am aware Ian Paisley was never a member of any terrorist association. In real life anyone interested in a detailed analysis of facts would not be posting on a forum such as this. These forums are meant to be light hearted fun. Luckily most member posting treat othe members with respect regardless of their opinions. " Surely even you can see the many different posters who comment on your attempts to take part of the discussions here. I know that "in real life" most things are "difficult to see" for you, but even you must see that many different posters call you out on your nonsense posts and even warn other posters about you. Is that respect? Youre regularly pointed out as the worst poster on here. I know, difficult for you to see Im sure. 
Paisley is well known as a founding member, even by loyalists. I posted quotes, you blather on about respect and ignore every shred of evidence as you always do because it doesnt support your myopic worldview.
And if we limited our discussions to things you were aware of AND actually correct on we'd have to limit the entire forum to the discussion of the colour of the sky. | |||
"She feels British. She wants to stay in Britain. You are surprised? So not like Ian Paisley who declared that he was loyal to The Crown provided The Crown was loyal to him when forming the (now banned as a terrorist organisation) UDA... No she's nothing like Ian Paisley who ended his political career more interested in staying in power than adhering to principles. Interested in how you think he formed the UDA (he didnt). He did form the UVF which was also a loyalist paramilitary terrorist organisation. They clearly got the names mixed up so their basic point wasnt wrong, Paisley did set up a terrorist organisation." Paisley formed the UVF? It was created before WW1 so I doubt it! | |||
" An opinion may be uninformed according to your criteria but informed and valid to lots of the members of most members . It may be that you should consider investigating the validity of your so called facts or links . In the case of the opinion expressed by the lady concerned she is correct and as far as I am aware Ian Paisley was never a member of any terrorist association. In real life anyone interested in a detailed analysis of facts would not be posting on a forum such as this. These forums are meant to be light hearted fun. Luckily most member posting treat othe members with respect regardless of their opinions. Surely even you can see the many different posters who comment on your attempts to take part of the discussions here. I know that "in real life" most things are "difficult to see" for you, but even you must see that many different posters call you out on your nonsense posts and even warn other posters about you. Is that respect? Youre regularly pointed out as the worst poster on here. I know, difficult for you to see Im sure.
Paisley is well known as a founding member, even by loyalists. I posted quotes, you blather on about respect and ignore every shred of evidence as you always do because it doesnt support your myopic worldview.
And if we limited our discussions to things you were aware of AND actually correct on we'd have to limit the entire forum to the discussion of the colour of the sky."Your post is a clear illustration that you can post anything that you like on the internet hidden behind the screen of a keyboard . When people sheet at others it is not a reflection on the recipient of the sneer, it is a reflection on the personality of the person making the sneering or derogatory remarks . Personally I prefer to treat other people with respect though I accept that some people have personality traits which means that they are unable to refrain from sneering at others. This is not an attractive feature . | |||
"She feels British. She wants to stay in Britain. You are surprised? So not like Ian Paisley who declared that he was loyal to The Crown provided The Crown was loyal to him when forming the (now banned as a terrorist organisation) UDA... No she's nothing like Ian Paisley who ended his political career more interested in staying in power than adhering to principles. Interested in how you think he formed the UDA (he didnt). He did form the UVF which was also a loyalist paramilitary terrorist organisation. They clearly got the names mixed up so their basic point wasnt wrong, Paisley did set up a terrorist organisation. Paisley formed the UVF? It was created before WW1 so I doubt it!" Thanks for bringing accuracy to this comment . | |||
"Arlene Foster gave a huge boost fir a united Ireland saying she would leave Ireland
Like people would miss her lmao "If she needs some help with her packing... | |||
"She feels British. She wants to stay in Britain. You are surprised? So not like Ian Paisley who declared that he was loyal to The Crown provided The Crown was loyal to him when forming the (now banned as a terrorist organisation) UDA... No she's nothing like Ian Paisley who ended his political career more interested in staying in power than adhering to principles. Interested in how you think he formed the UDA (he didnt). He did form the UVF which was also a loyalist paramilitary terrorist organisation. They clearly got the names mixed up so their basic point wasnt wrong, Paisley did set up a terrorist organisation. Paisley formed the UVF? It was created before WW1 so I doubt it!" No, if you actually checked your facts then you would find that they are 2 seperate organisations with the same name. 1 formed in 1912 and disbanded in 1922. Paisleys group was completely seperate and established itself in 1965. Thats a 50 year gap so even though they were groups with similar aims its unlikely they even had a single member in common. Honestly do you not know how to use google? Can you not crack open a book? You live in a world where almost the entirety of all human knowledge is literally at your fingertips and you post this inaccurate shite that isnt even close to being true. | |||
"She feels British. She wants to stay in Britain. You are surprised? So not like Ian Paisley who declared that he was loyal to The Crown provided The Crown was loyal to him when forming the (now banned as a terrorist organisation) UDA... No she's nothing like Ian Paisley who ended his political career more interested in staying in power than adhering to principles. Interested in how you think he formed the UDA (he didnt). He did form the UVF which was also a loyalist paramilitary terrorist organisation. They clearly got the names mixed up so their basic point wasnt wrong, Paisley did set up a terrorist organisation. Paisley formed the UVF? It was created before WW1 so I doubt it! Thanks for bringing accuracy to this comment . " I dont know which of your last two posts sums you up best... The first where you whine and cry about being told you're wrong and resort to a 5 year olds "I know you are but what am I?" argument. Or this one where you ignore posts that are well sourced and provide information to back up their points in favour of a randomer who posts a complete fabrication with no basis in reality and nothing to back it up but agrees with you. Every time you take a break I forget what a stubborn.....person...you are. Youre information-phobic and a complete waste of time. My mistake is always to treat you as a reasonable adult who's capable of parsing even the most basic information, even when I write at a level a 5 year old could understand I can imagine your eyes glazing over as you read posts that conflict with your narrow minded view. And Ill save you the effort of replying: "Its difficult to see how in real life an internet keyboard warrior would ever speak to anyone like this. In my experience people smile and nod at me as I dispense my wordly wisdom and learn so much they immediately change the subject to learn new things. In reality people who comment on others are really just commenting on themselves. When someone says I am wearing a nice tie I immediately reply with "No, it is you who are wearing the tie". When pulled over for speeding I tell police that in real life no one would accuse someone of anything and that outside of the information superhighway this means they are the ones who are speeding, not me. And finally when I am abroad many people try and tell me Im an Englishman, this is a lie, for it is actually them who are Englishmen, even the women and children." | |||
"She feels British. She wants to stay in Britain. You are surprised? So not like Ian Paisley who declared that he was loyal to The Crown provided The Crown was loyal to him when forming the (now banned as a terrorist organisation) UDA... No she's nothing like Ian Paisley who ended his political career more interested in staying in power than adhering to principles. Interested in how you think he formed the UDA (he didnt). He did form the UVF which was also a loyalist paramilitary terrorist organisation. They clearly got the names mixed up so their basic point wasnt wrong, Paisley did set up a terrorist organisation. Paisley formed the UVF? It was created before WW1 so I doubt it! Thanks for bringing accuracy to this comment . I dont know which of your last two posts sums you up best... The first where you whine and cry about being told you're wrong and resort to a 5 year olds "I know you are but what am I?" argument. Or this one where you ignore posts that are well sourced and provide information to back up their points in favour of a randomer who posts a complete fabrication with no basis in reality and nothing to back it up but agrees with you. Every time you take a break I forget what a stubborn.....person...you are. Youre information-phobic and a complete waste of time. My mistake is always to treat you as a reasonable adult who's capable of parsing even the most basic information, even when I write at a level a 5 year old could understand I can imagine your eyes glazing over as you read posts that conflict with your narrow minded view. And Ill save you the effort of replying: "Its difficult to see how in real life an internet keyboard warrior would ever speak to anyone like this. In my experience people smile and nod at me as I dispense my wordly wisdom and learn so much they immediately change the subject to learn new things. In reality people who comment on others are really just commenting on themselves. When someone says I am wearing a nice tie I immediately reply with "No, it is you who are wearing the tie". When pulled over for speeding I tell police that in real life no one would accuse someone of anything and that outside of the information superhighway this means they are the ones who are speeding, not me. And finally when I am abroad many people try and tell me Im an Englishman, this is a lie, for it is actually them who are Englishmen, even the women and children."" I will call it a day on this one. What matters to me personally is the feed back which I receive in real life , whether it is from employers or other people with whom I come into contact. I never pay any attention to keyboard warriors . Anyone can sit at a keyboard and type in derogatory comments . It is hardly an attractive personality feature . In real life I get feedback daily . That is more than good enough for me . I try and avoid spending too much of my life hidden behind a computer keyboard. I would never post a comment on here that I would not be prepared to say to someone in person. I evaluate my targets and objectives daily. | |||
"She feels British. She wants to stay in Britain. You are surprised? So not like Ian Paisley who declared that he was loyal to The Crown provided The Crown was loyal to him when forming the (now banned as a terrorist organisation) UDA... No she's nothing like Ian Paisley who ended his political career more interested in staying in power than adhering to principles. Interested in how you think he formed the UDA (he didnt). He did form the UVF which was also a loyalist paramilitary terrorist organisation. They clearly got the names mixed up so their basic point wasnt wrong, Paisley did set up a terrorist organisation. Paisley formed the UVF? It was created before WW1 so I doubt it! Thanks for bringing accuracy to this comment . I dont know which of your last two posts sums you up best... The first where you whine and cry about being told you're wrong and resort to a 5 year olds "I know you are but what am I?" argument. Or this one where you ignore posts that are well sourced and provide information to back up their points in favour of a randomer who posts a complete fabrication with no basis in reality and nothing to back it up but agrees with you. Every time you take a break I forget what a stubborn.....person...you are. Youre information-phobic and a complete waste of time. My mistake is always to treat you as a reasonable adult who's capable of parsing even the most basic information, even when I write at a level a 5 year old could understand I can imagine your eyes glazing over as you read posts that conflict with your narrow minded view. And Ill save you the effort of replying: "Its difficult to see how in real life an internet keyboard warrior would ever speak to anyone like this. In my experience people smile and nod at me as I dispense my wordly wisdom and learn so much they immediately change the subject to learn new things. In reality people who comment on others are really just commenting on themselves. When someone says I am wearing a nice tie I immediately reply with "No, it is you who are wearing the tie". When pulled over for speeding I tell police that in real life no one would accuse someone of anything and that outside of the information superhighway this means they are the ones who are speeding, not me. And finally when I am abroad many people try and tell me Im an Englishman, this is a lie, for it is actually them who are Englishmen, even the women and children."" It maybe "well known" in The Republic that Ian Paisley formed the UVF in the mid 60s but it's also "well known" in England that Ian Paisley was never directly involved in any paramilitary organisation, even by people like myself who have little love or respect for him and his politics. I've tried googling the subject and, whilst finding allegations about trying to get weapons from Israel for "border protection", very unhelpful comments and setting up the UR (Ulster Resistance - which some claim was paramilitary); I can find nothing to directly link Ian Paisley with the UVF. It may exist out there somewhere but, if it does, It's not easy to find. Just to be clear, I'm not saying you've wrong, simply that most people in England don't believe it and there is little easily found to backup your accusation. Maybe a link to a reliable source to add wait to the accusations would be helpful. | |||
" It maybe "well known" in The Republic that Ian Paisley formed the UVF in the mid 60s but it's also "well known" in England that Ian Paisley was never directly involved in any paramilitary organisation, even by people like myself who have little love or respect for him and his politics. I've tried googling the subject and, whilst finding allegations about trying to get weapons from Israel for "border protection", very unhelpful comments and setting up the UR (Ulster Resistance - which some claim was paramilitary); I can find nothing to directly link Ian Paisley with the UVF. It may exist out there somewhere but, if it does, It's not easy to find. Just to be clear, I'm not saying you've wrong, simply that most people in England don't believe it and there is little easily found to backup your accusation. Maybe a link to a reliable source to add wait to the accusations would be helpful." As in my first post the UPV/UVF were set up by Paisley (and Noel Doherty) as the military branch of the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee (UCDC). Since we're not allowed post links and Ive been banned for it once already Ill put the quotes and publisher here. "In 1966 Paisley and Noel Doherty instigated the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee (UCDC). Concealed inside it, they organised a paramilitary branch, the Ulster Protestant Volunteers (UPV) which included former B Specials, McKeague, McGrath and Mitchell. Doherty became leader of the UPV. Under Paisley’s instructions, he was charged with setting up “cells” throughout the Province, and acquiring arms." "Colin Wallace was the Senior Information Officer in the Army’s Information Policy Unit (IPU). While working there, he learnt that Paisley and Desmond Boal had been “closely involved in the reformation of UVF in mid 1960s with Gusty Spence” Both from Village Magazine. "From UVF: Behind the Mask By Aaron Edwards (2017) "At one rally, on Rev Paisley's instruction they brandished in the air firearms licences in a chilling display to journalists. His flirtation with armed violence led him in 1986 he helped establish Ulster Resistance - a loyalist paramilitary group set up to oppose the peace process and whose members sported military style red berets. In 1988 the group collaborated with infamous armed groups Ulster Volunteer Force and Ulster Defence Association/Ulster Freedom Fighters to procure a cache of arms." - Daily Mail, 10 june 2017 Paisley himself flirted with paramilitarism as he led the formation of a quasi-military organisation called the Third Force (which later gave way to the Ulster Resistance). - BBC, iWonder feature: Who Was Ian Paisley "By February 1966, Dr Paisley had launched a virulently anti Catholic weekly, the Protestant Telegraph, and by April he had formed the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee with the Ulster Protestant Volunteers (UPV) as its political power base. Dr Paisley's activities dominated the year's news." Irish Times,Jan 2 1997 "O’Neill attacked Paisleyism for what he called its "tendencies towards Nazism and fascism." That same year that tendency was strengthen by the formation of two Paisleyite organizations: the Ulster Constitutional Defense Committee and the paramilitary Ulster Protestant Volunteers. Also in 1966, the Ulster Volunteer Force came into being. All three were linked and Paisley drew closer to violence of a more serious kind, thanks to his associates. The UCDC/UPV headquarters in Belfast was used to store illegal weapons." "During the following decade, the UDA and the UVF kept their distance from Paisley, who went on to set up another paramilitary-style group, the Third Force" which quickly vanished." The Irish Echo, 16 Feb 2011 Theres plenty more, theres also lost of resources in google books. Its not something thats even debated by anyone who knows anything about the situation. Its as ludicrous as saying Gerry Adams had nothing to do with the IRA. | |||
" It maybe "well known" in The Republic that Ian Paisley formed the UVF in the mid 60s but it's also "well known" in England that Ian Paisley was never directly involved in any paramilitary organisation, even by people like myself who have little love or respect for him and his politics. I've tried googling the subject and, whilst finding allegations about trying to get weapons from Israel for "border protection", very unhelpful comments and setting up the UR (Ulster Resistance - which some claim was paramilitary); I can find nothing to directly link Ian Paisley with the UVF. It may exist out there somewhere but, if it does, It's not easy to find. Just to be clear, I'm not saying you've wrong, simply that most people in England don't believe it and there is little easily found to backup your accusation. Maybe a link to a reliable source to add wait to the accusations would be helpful. As in my first post the UPV/UVF were set up by Paisley (and Noel Doherty) as the military branch of the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee (UCDC). Since we're not allowed post links and Ive been banned for it once already Ill put the quotes and publisher here. "In 1966 Paisley and Noel Doherty instigated the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee (UCDC). Concealed inside it, they organised a paramilitary branch, the Ulster Protestant Volunteers (UPV) which included former B Specials, McKeague, McGrath and Mitchell. Doherty became leader of the UPV. Under Paisley’s instructions, he was charged with setting up “cells” throughout the Province, and acquiring arms." "Colin Wallace was the Senior Information Officer in the Army’s Information Policy Unit (IPU). While working there, he learnt that Paisley and Desmond Boal had been “closely involved in the reformation of UVF in mid 1960s with Gusty Spence” Both from Village Magazine. "From UVF: Behind the Mask By Aaron Edwards (2017) "At one rally, on Rev Paisley's instruction they brandished in the air firearms licences in a chilling display to journalists. His flirtation with armed violence led him in 1986 he helped establish Ulster Resistance - a loyalist paramilitary group set up to oppose the peace process and whose members sported military style red berets. In 1988 the group collaborated with infamous armed groups Ulster Volunteer Force and Ulster Defence Association/Ulster Freedom Fighters to procure a cache of arms." - Daily Mail, 10 june 2017 Paisley himself flirted with paramilitarism as he led the formation of a quasi-military organisation called the Third Force (which later gave way to the Ulster Resistance). - BBC, iWonder feature: Who Was Ian Paisley "By February 1966, Dr Paisley had launched a virulently anti Catholic weekly, the Protestant Telegraph, and by April he had formed the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee with the Ulster Protestant Volunteers (UPV) as its political power base. Dr Paisley's activities dominated the year's news." Irish Times,Jan 2 1997 "O’Neill attacked Paisleyism for what he called its "tendencies towards Nazism and fascism." That same year that tendency was strengthen by the formation of two Paisleyite organizations: the Ulster Constitutional Defense Committee and the paramilitary Ulster Protestant Volunteers. Also in 1966, the Ulster Volunteer Force came into being. All three were linked and Paisley drew closer to violence of a more serious kind, thanks to his associates. The UCDC/UPV headquarters in Belfast was used to store illegal weapons." "During the following decade, the UDA and the UVF kept their distance from Paisley, who went on to set up another paramilitary-style group, the Third Force" which quickly vanished." The Irish Echo, 16 Feb 2011 Theres plenty more, theres also lost of resources in google books. Its not something thats even debated by anyone who knows anything about the situation. Its as ludicrous as saying Gerry Adams had nothing to do with the IRA." It is difficult to see how these sources show that Paisley was a member of any para military organisation. They appear to be carefully worded and use terms such as associated with members of such organisations. | |||
" It maybe "well known" in The Republic that Ian Paisley formed the UVF in the mid 60s but it's also "well known" in England that Ian Paisley was never directly involved in any paramilitary organisation, even by people like myself who have little love or respect for him and his politics. I've tried googling the subject and, whilst finding allegations about trying to get weapons from Israel for "border protection", very unhelpful comments and setting up the UR (Ulster Resistance - which some claim was paramilitary); I can find nothing to directly link Ian Paisley with the UVF. It may exist out there somewhere but, if it does, It's not easy to find. Just to be clear, I'm not saying you've wrong, simply that most people in England don't believe it and there is little easily found to backup your accusation. Maybe a link to a reliable source to add wait to the accusations would be helpful. As in my first post the UPV/UVF were set up by Paisley (and Noel Doherty) as the military branch of the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee (UCDC). Since we're not allowed post links and Ive been banned for it once already Ill put the quotes and publisher here. "In 1966 Paisley and Noel Doherty instigated the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee (UCDC). Concealed inside it, they organised a paramilitary branch, the Ulster Protestant Volunteers (UPV) which included former B Specials, McKeague, McGrath and Mitchell. Doherty became leader of the UPV. Under Paisley’s instructions, he was charged with setting up “cells” throughout the Province, and acquiring arms." "Colin Wallace was the Senior Information Officer in the Army’s Information Policy Unit (IPU). While working there, he learnt that Paisley and Desmond Boal had been “closely involved in the reformation of UVF in mid 1960s with Gusty Spence” Both from Village Magazine. "From UVF: Behind the Mask By Aaron Edwards (2017) "At one rally, on Rev Paisley's instruction they brandished in the air firearms licences in a chilling display to journalists. His flirtation with armed violence led him in 1986 he helped establish Ulster Resistance - a loyalist paramilitary group set up to oppose the peace process and whose members sported military style red berets. In 1988 the group collaborated with infamous armed groups Ulster Volunteer Force and Ulster Defence Association/Ulster Freedom Fighters to procure a cache of arms." - Daily Mail, 10 june 2017 Paisley himself flirted with paramilitarism as he led the formation of a quasi-military organisation called the Third Force (which later gave way to the Ulster Resistance). - BBC, iWonder feature: Who Was Ian Paisley "By February 1966, Dr Paisley had launched a virulently anti Catholic weekly, the Protestant Telegraph, and by April he had formed the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee with the Ulster Protestant Volunteers (UPV) as its political power base. Dr Paisley's activities dominated the year's news." Irish Times,Jan 2 1997 "O’Neill attacked Paisleyism for what he called its "tendencies towards Nazism and fascism." That same year that tendency was strengthen by the formation of two Paisleyite organizations: the Ulster Constitutional Defense Committee and the paramilitary Ulster Protestant Volunteers. Also in 1966, the Ulster Volunteer Force came into being. All three were linked and Paisley drew closer to violence of a more serious kind, thanks to his associates. The UCDC/UPV headquarters in Belfast was used to store illegal weapons." "During the following decade, the UDA and the UVF kept their distance from Paisley, who went on to set up another paramilitary-style group, the Third Force" which quickly vanished." The Irish Echo, 16 Feb 2011 Theres plenty more, theres also lost of resources in google books. Its not something thats even debated by anyone who knows anything about the situation. Its as ludicrous as saying Gerry Adams had nothing to do with the IRA. It is difficult to see how these sources show that Paisley was a member of any para military organisation. They appear to be carefully worded and use terms such as associated with members of such organisations. " I thought you were done replying to me. Id rejoiced in not having to read your pointless nonsense. At your age Id start worrying about alzheimers because you cant seem to remember the start of the post by the time you get to the end. The sources are very clear that Paisley set up the UCDC, which included the UPV and that this was basically run in tandem with the UVF and that Paisley formed the Third Force. I can only assume you've just forgotten these clear concise explanations from a variety of sources from Ireland and England, left and right including your beloved Daily Mail (he helped establish Ulster Resistance - a loyalist paramilitary group). Because it would take a level of stupidity that should be studied by scientists to misread something as clear as the Daily Mails quote (he helped establish). Not to mention the other very clear statements in there. And nobody is that stupid. | |||
" It maybe "well known" in The Republic that Ian Paisley formed the UVF in the mid 60s but it's also "well known" in England that Ian Paisley was never directly involved in any paramilitary organisation, even by people like myself who have little love or respect for him and his politics. I've tried googling the subject and, whilst finding allegations about trying to get weapons from Israel for "border protection", very unhelpful comments and setting up the UR (Ulster Resistance - which some claim was paramilitary); I can find nothing to directly link Ian Paisley with the UVF. It may exist out there somewhere but, if it does, It's not easy to find. Just to be clear, I'm not saying you've wrong, simply that most people in England don't believe it and there is little easily found to backup your accusation. Maybe a link to a reliable source to add wait to the accusations would be helpful. As in my first post the UPV/UVF were set up by Paisley (and Noel Doherty) as the military branch of the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee (UCDC). Since we're not allowed post links and Ive been banned for it once already Ill put the quotes and publisher here. "In 1966 Paisley and Noel Doherty instigated the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee (UCDC). Concealed inside it, they organised a paramilitary branch, the Ulster Protestant Volunteers (UPV) which included former B Specials, McKeague, McGrath and Mitchell. Doherty became leader of the UPV. Under Paisley’s instructions, he was charged with setting up “cells” throughout the Province, and acquiring arms." "Colin Wallace was the Senior Information Officer in the Army’s Information Policy Unit (IPU). While working there, he learnt that Paisley and Desmond Boal had been “closely involved in the reformation of UVF in mid 1960s with Gusty Spence” Both from Village Magazine. "From UVF: Behind the Mask By Aaron Edwards (2017) "At one rally, on Rev Paisley's instruction they brandished in the air firearms licences in a chilling display to journalists. His flirtation with armed violence led him in 1986 he helped establish Ulster Resistance - a loyalist paramilitary group set up to oppose the peace process and whose members sported military style red berets. In 1988 the group collaborated with infamous armed groups Ulster Volunteer Force and Ulster Defence Association/Ulster Freedom Fighters to procure a cache of arms." - Daily Mail, 10 june 2017 Paisley himself flirted with paramilitarism as he led the formation of a quasi-military organisation called the Third Force (which later gave way to the Ulster Resistance). - BBC, iWonder feature: Who Was Ian Paisley "By February 1966, Dr Paisley had launched a virulently anti Catholic weekly, the Protestant Telegraph, and by April he had formed the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee with the Ulster Protestant Volunteers (UPV) as its political power base. Dr Paisley's activities dominated the year's news." Irish Times,Jan 2 1997 "O’Neill attacked Paisleyism for what he called its "tendencies towards Nazism and fascism." That same year that tendency was strengthen by the formation of two Paisleyite organizations: the Ulster Constitutional Defense Committee and the paramilitary Ulster Protestant Volunteers. Also in 1966, the Ulster Volunteer Force came into being. All three were linked and Paisley drew closer to violence of a more serious kind, thanks to his associates. The UCDC/UPV headquarters in Belfast was used to store illegal weapons." "During the following decade, the UDA and the UVF kept their distance from Paisley, who went on to set up another paramilitary-style group, the Third Force" which quickly vanished." The Irish Echo, 16 Feb 2011 Theres plenty more, theres also lost of resources in google books. Its not something thats even debated by anyone who knows anything about the situation. Its as ludicrous as saying Gerry Adams had nothing to do with the IRA. It is difficult to see how these sources show that Paisley was a member of any para military organisation. They appear to be carefully worded and use terms such as associated with members of such organisations. I thought you were done replying to me. Id rejoiced in not having to read your pointless nonsense. At your age Id start worrying about alzheimers because you cant seem to remember the start of the post by the time you get to the end. The sources are very clear that Paisley set up the UCDC, which included the UPV and that this was basically run in tandem with the UVF and that Paisley formed the Third Force. I can only assume you've just forgotten these clear concise explanations from a variety of sources from Ireland and England, left and right including your beloved Daily Mail (he helped establish Ulster Resistance - a loyalist paramilitary group). Because it would take a level of stupidity that should be studied by scientists to misread something as clear as the Daily Mails quote (he helped establish). Not to mention the other very clear statements in there. And nobody is that stupid." Anyone with self respect would refrain from mocking those people with a disease such as Alzheimer's. It is difficult to see how a few isolated posts copied from Google would persuade anyone to change their opinion. It is generally accepted that Paisley was never a member of any para military organisation .At least two other posters have confirmed that. In any event the extracts appear to be carefully worded and indicate that certain people with whom Paisley was associated were members . He was never a member of any active para military organisation himself . | |||
" It maybe "well known" in The Republic that Ian Paisley formed the UVF in the mid 60s but it's also "well known" in England that Ian Paisley was never directly involved in any paramilitary organisation, even by people like myself who have little love or respect for him and his politics. I've tried googling the subject and, whilst finding allegations about trying to get weapons from Israel for "border protection", very unhelpful comments and setting up the UR (Ulster Resistance - which some claim was paramilitary); I can find nothing to directly link Ian Paisley with the UVF. It may exist out there somewhere but, if it does, It's not easy to find. Just to be clear, I'm not saying you've wrong, simply that most people in England don't believe it and there is little easily found to backup your accusation. Maybe a link to a reliable source to add wait to the accusations would be helpful. As in my first post the UPV/UVF were set up by Paisley (and Noel Doherty) as the military branch of the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee (UCDC). Since we're not allowed post links and Ive been banned for it once already Ill put the quotes and publisher here. "In 1966 Paisley and Noel Doherty instigated the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee (UCDC). Concealed inside it, they organised a paramilitary branch, the Ulster Protestant Volunteers (UPV) which included former B Specials, McKeague, McGrath and Mitchell. Doherty became leader of the UPV. Under Paisley’s instructions, he was charged with setting up “cells” throughout the Province, and acquiring arms." "Colin Wallace was the Senior Information Officer in the Army’s Information Policy Unit (IPU). While working there, he learnt that Paisley and Desmond Boal had been “closely involved in the reformation of UVF in mid 1960s with Gusty Spence” Both from Village Magazine. "From UVF: Behind the Mask By Aaron Edwards (2017) "At one rally, on Rev Paisley's instruction they brandished in the air firearms licences in a chilling display to journalists. His flirtation with armed violence led him in 1986 he helped establish Ulster Resistance - a loyalist paramilitary group set up to oppose the peace process and whose members sported military style red berets. In 1988 the group collaborated with infamous armed groups Ulster Volunteer Force and Ulster Defence Association/Ulster Freedom Fighters to procure a cache of arms." - Daily Mail, 10 june 2017 Paisley himself flirted with paramilitarism as he led the formation of a quasi-military organisation called the Third Force (which later gave way to the Ulster Resistance). - BBC, iWonder feature: Who Was Ian Paisley "By February 1966, Dr Paisley had launched a virulently anti Catholic weekly, the Protestant Telegraph, and by April he had formed the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee with the Ulster Protestant Volunteers (UPV) as its political power base. Dr Paisley's activities dominated the year's news." Irish Times,Jan 2 1997 "O’Neill attacked Paisleyism for what he called its "tendencies towards Nazism and fascism." That same year that tendency was strengthen by the formation of two Paisleyite organizations: the Ulster Constitutional Defense Committee and the paramilitary Ulster Protestant Volunteers. Also in 1966, the Ulster Volunteer Force came into being. All three were linked and Paisley drew closer to violence of a more serious kind, thanks to his associates. The UCDC/UPV headquarters in Belfast was used to store illegal weapons." "During the following decade, the UDA and the UVF kept their distance from Paisley, who went on to set up another paramilitary-style group, the Third Force" which quickly vanished." The Irish Echo, 16 Feb 2011 Theres plenty more, theres also lost of resources in google books. Its not something thats even debated by anyone who knows anything about the situation. Its as ludicrous as saying Gerry Adams had nothing to do with the IRA. It is difficult to see how these sources show that Paisley was a member of any para military organisation. They appear to be carefully worded and use terms such as associated with members of such organisations. I thought you were done replying to me. Id rejoiced in not having to read your pointless nonsense. At your age Id start worrying about alzheimers because you cant seem to remember the start of the post by the time you get to the end. The sources are very clear that Paisley set up the UCDC, which included the UPV and that this was basically run in tandem with the UVF and that Paisley formed the Third Force. I can only assume you've just forgotten these clear concise explanations from a variety of sources from Ireland and England, left and right including your beloved Daily Mail (he helped establish Ulster Resistance - a loyalist paramilitary group). Because it would take a level of stupidity that should be studied by scientists to misread something as clear as the Daily Mails quote (he helped establish). Not to mention the other very clear statements in there. And nobody is that stupid. Anyone with self respect would refrain from mocking those people with a disease such as Alzheimer's. It is difficult to see how a few isolated posts copied from Google would persuade anyone to change their opinion. It is generally accepted that Paisley was never a member of any para military organisation .At least two other posters have confirmed that. In any event the extracts appear to be carefully worded and indicate that certain people with whom Paisley was associated were members . He was never a member of any active para military organisation himself . " No, 1 poster who has previously displayed no knowledge of the Northern Ireland situation said it wasnt true and offered nothing to back it up. Another poster said they couldnt find anything and asked me for some references (hint: thats how you approach a topic you dont know enough about). It is difficult to see why you think the Daily Mail is lying when they say he was helping establish terrorist organisations? Why would the Daily Mail lie about that? Why is it that you've previously sung the praises of the Daily Mail and yet now you disagree with them you ignore it. Heres the quote from the Mail again for you: " he helped establish Ulster Resistance - a loyalist paramilitary group set up to oppose the peace process" Ill break it down into small parts for you (although you still wont be able to understand it let alone form a coherant arguement against it) He= Ian Paisley Helped establish = was one of the founders and creaters and/or an individual who supported and worked with the founders to create Ulster Resisitance = a loyalist paramilitary terrorist group He (Paisley) worked to create Ulster Resistance (terrorist group). And thats from THE DAILY MAIL. ....damnit, I still think thats probably too complicated for you to follow. Lets try this: Your newspaper say bad man make new group who do bad things, terrorist things. Understand? | |||
"Just another the UK is doomed!!!! Thread !!! he no, think its more an England is doomed thread, how would England survive without the Irish & Scots? still they do have their wee lap dog Wales standing side by side "You obviously have no idea about Wales and Welsh people. | |||
"Just another the UK is doomed!!!! Thread !!! he no, think its more an England is doomed thread, how would England survive without the Irish & Scots? still they do have their wee lap dog Wales standing side by side
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"What you have to remember is that some people on here are only interested in division. They crave grievance it feeds the sadness they must have in there souls. To say that the English hate the Scots? Welsh? Irish?.... Or that the vast majority of the Celtic nations hate the English ?..It is transparent nonsense, but if it makes some on here feel better and maybe less bitter .. then go ahead display your bigotry and misplaced patriotism " No some want to see the UK split apart and all nations become independent and have self govern not to be ruled by another country | |||
"What you have to remember is that some people on here are only interested in division. They crave grievance it feeds the sadness they must have in there souls. To say that the English hate the Scots? Welsh? Irish?.... Or that the vast majority of the Celtic nations hate the English ?..It is transparent nonsense, but if it makes some on here feel better and maybe less bitter .. then go ahead display your bigotry and misplaced patriotism No some want to see the UK split apart and all nations become independent and have self govern not to be ruled by another country " Some people think that if you dont agree to do everything Englands way then youre only doing so out of spite. Its not possible for them to be wrong. You can see it in the Brexit "negotiations" where the Tories continuously feel like the EU is punishing them instead of disagreeing for their own reasons. | |||
"What you have to remember is that some people on here are only interested in division. They crave grievance it feeds the sadness they must have in there souls. To say that the English hate the Scots? Welsh? Irish?.... Or that the vast majority of the Celtic nations hate the English ?..It is transparent nonsense, but if it makes some on here feel better and maybe less bitter .. then go ahead display your bigotry and misplaced patriotism " We just want our country back! For the most part there is no bad feeling towards your average working class Brit, most of us here in Ireland have relatives in England. I dont think its bigotry to want independence for your country, do you consider citizens of former soviet block countries bigots because they wanted and gained independence after the USSR disintegrated? | |||
"What you have to remember is that some people on here are only interested in division. They crave grievance it feeds the sadness they must have in there souls. To say that the English hate the Scots? Welsh? Irish?.... Or that the vast majority of the Celtic nations hate the English ?..It is transparent nonsense, but if it makes some on here feel better and maybe less bitter .. then go ahead display your bigotry and misplaced patriotism We just want our country back! For the most part there is no bad feeling towards your average working class Brit, most of us here in Ireland have relatives in England. I dont think its bigotry to want independence for your country, do you consider citizens of former soviet block countries bigots because they wanted and gained independence after the USSR disintegrated? " some will never get it why people want independence they believe the UK trumps all
The sooner the get it into their heeds the pro independence movement for Scotland and a united Ireland is not going to go away the better
The Tories were not voted by majority in N Ireland or in Scotland so they do not represent our wishes nor in Wales
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"So it only legitimate if you have personally voted for the party that wins the election?.......An interesting idea that lol..... also it is never a good idea to confuse patriotism with Nationalism. I am a little of the first but find the latter very dangerous ground to occupy, it is usually filled with ....well read the posts above to see. "Milli does the UK union trump all for you ? Brexit is set to screw Scotland so do you want see Scotland damaged in your UK hard brexit or would you fight to see Scotland independent ? I said its the UK union that trumps all for you even if it means Scotland being damaged Do you get some do not ever want to be ruled by another country and want their indpendence where the people of that country get a say please none of that bullshit claiming the UK or Britain is a country as its not unionists must know that | |||
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"So there we have it the ultimate brexit answer. The uk had a democratic vote to leave just to screw over Scotland !!! I have heard it all now "Lmao you now claiming brexit wont damage Scotland ? Wow you sound more and more like a Tory every single day Do you not believe the Scottish government brexit analysis paper or the UK analysis paper that in every single position brexit will 100% damage Scotland ? I know it will screw parts of England Wales and NI but someone that stays in Scotland you dont seem at all bothered its the UK union at any cost correct ? Caught out again with your hardcore unionism | |||
"So it only legitimate if you have personally voted for the party that wins the election?.......An interesting idea that lol..... also it is never a good idea to confuse patriotism with Nationalism. I am a little of the first but find the latter very dangerous ground to occupy, it is usually filled with ....well read the posts above to see.
Milli does the UK union trump all for you ?
Brexit is set to screw Scotland so do you want see Scotland damaged in your UK hard brexit or would you fight to see Scotland independent ?
I said its the UK union that trumps all for you even if it means Scotland being damaged
Do you get some do not ever want to be ruled by another country and want their indpendence where the people of that country get a say
please none of that bullshit claiming the UK or Britain is a country as its not unionists must know that "Is the answer not very simple. Scotland has already rejected independence via a vote and in NI the Unionist party returned more votes than any other. Do people think that if the shout loudly enough the wishes of the majority can be ignored? Independence in Scotland was firmly rejected by the electorate who realised that financially it was non viable . The residents of Northern Ireland also recognise that they are dependent on the UK for do financial support. They are hardly going to bite off the hand that feeds them . | |||
"So it only legitimate if you have personally voted for the party that wins the election?.......An interesting idea that lol..... also it is never a good idea to confuse patriotism with Nationalism. I am a little of the first but find the latter very dangerous ground to occupy, it is usually filled with ....well read the posts above to see.
Milli does the UK union trump all for you ?
Brexit is set to screw Scotland so do you want see Scotland damaged in your UK hard brexit or would you fight to see Scotland independent ?
I said its the UK union that trumps all for you even if it means Scotland being damaged
Do you get some do not ever want to be ruled by another country and want their indpendence where the people of that country get a say
please none of that bullshit claiming the UK or Britain is a country as its not unionists must know that Is the answer not very simple. Scotland has already rejected independence via a vote and in NI the Unionist party returned more votes than any other. Do people think that if the shout loudly enough the wishes of the majority can be ignored?
Independence in Scotland was firmly rejected by the electorate who realised that financially it was non viable . The residents of Northern Ireland also recognise that they are dependent on the UK for do financial support. They are hardly going to bite off the hand that feeds them . "Someone above clearly doesnt get democracy is not a one off event lmao Yes Scotland rejected independence in 2014 things change in a democracy didnt you know this ? and people are allowed to change their minds whats the matter afraid people have changed their minds and want to end this so called UK union of equals ? lol | |||
