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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income |
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"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income"
Best start looking for some data!  |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data! "
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though  |
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"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though "
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!  |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen! "
Excellent response.
You think that helped? |
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The clear issues are never what some people want to spend time on and probably didn't consider much before voting. Sad but true in too many instances. And with an incompetent government that many voted for to continue to mess up the whole process, it should be no surprise that the negotiations have been largely a mess, with all those UK 'red lines' not to be crossed, that were subsequently crossed. There are those who state that the UK is in a strong negotiating position and presumably thought when voting that the UK would have its cake and eat it  |
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When people debate Brexit on these forums and provide links and statistics to back up their argument I often wonder why bother!
I dont think anyone with any real political clout will read these forums and be swayed to intervene and try to reverse brexit or campaign for another referendum.
I understand though that people often want to to vent, I just think if people get so worked up there must be a more suitable platform where their arguments might have more impact |
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"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen! "
So posing legitimate questions is treason now is it? I trust you'll enjoy watching the W Midlands disappear up it's own post brexit fundament.... |
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"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!
So posing legitimate questions is treason now is it? I trust you'll enjoy watching the W Midlands disappear up it's own post brexit fundament...."
Who mentioned treason!? The West Midlands will be fine along with the rest of the Uk. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!
So posing legitimate questions is treason now is it? I trust you'll enjoy watching the W Midlands disappear up it's own post brexit fundament....
Who mentioned treason!? The West Midlands will be fine along with the rest of the Uk. "
The government think that a no deal scenario will see the economy of the West Midlands shrink by 13%.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/08/brexit-impact-studies-leak-reveals-regions-will-hit-hardest/
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!
So posing legitimate questions is treason now is it? I trust you'll enjoy watching the W Midlands disappear up it's own post brexit fundament....
Who mentioned treason!? The West Midlands will be fine along with the rest of the Uk. "
I thought you had better things to do than not contribute anything to this thread |
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"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!
So posing legitimate questions is treason now is it? I trust you'll enjoy watching the W Midlands disappear up it's own post brexit fundament....
Who mentioned treason!? The West Midlands will be fine along with the rest of the Uk.
The government think that a no deal scenario will see the economy of the West Midlands shrink by 13%.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/08/brexit-impact-studies-leak-reveals-regions-will-hit-hardest/
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In the post truth world -13% is the very definition of being fine.....were it not so tragic, it'd be amusing. |
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over a year ago
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"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen! "
he fears his retirement plans will be fucked once we leave EU, bends over backwords and worships EU "L" |
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"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!
So posing legitimate questions is treason now is it? I trust you'll enjoy watching the W Midlands disappear up it's own post brexit fundament....
Who mentioned treason!? The West Midlands will be fine along with the rest of the Uk.
The government think that a no deal scenario will see the economy of the West Midlands shrink by 13%.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/08/brexit-impact-studies-leak-reveals-regions-will-hit-hardest/
In the post truth world -13% is the very definition of being fine.....were it not so tragic, it'd be amusing."
At the moment it's all speculation not a certainty or do you know something the rest of us don't! Or was it just your crystal ball you were consulting! |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!
So posing legitimate questions is treason now is it? I trust you'll enjoy watching the W Midlands disappear up it's own post brexit fundament....
Who mentioned treason!? The West Midlands will be fine along with the rest of the Uk.
The government think that a no deal scenario will see the economy of the West Midlands shrink by 13%.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/08/brexit-impact-studies-leak-reveals-regions-will-hit-hardest/
In the post truth world -13% is the very definition of being fine.....were it not so tragic, it'd be amusing.
At the moment it's all speculation not a certainty or do you know something the rest of us don't! Or was it just your crystal ball you were consulting!"
No, it isn’t not speculation. The government think the Midlands will be 13% down in a no deal scenario. That is not speculation. That is a fact. Whether the midlands will indeed be down that much you could argue is speculation. But the fact that the government think that is not speculation. And yet they continue.
-Matt |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"When people debate Brexit on these forums and provide links and statistics to back up their argument I often wonder why bother!
I dont think anyone with any real political clout will read these forums and be swayed to intervene and try to reverse brexit or campaign for another referendum.
I understand though that people often want to to vent, I just think if people get so worked up there must be a more suitable platform where their arguments might have more impact "
This is the thing that gets me. “No one with any political clout reads these forums” and yet the referendum was decided on a tiny majority and voted on ‘by the people’.
Who do you think those people are that voted, if they are not the people on this forum. On other forums. Your neighbours etc?
-Matt |
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"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!
So posing legitimate questions is treason now is it? I trust you'll enjoy watching the W Midlands disappear up it's own post brexit fundament....
Who mentioned treason!? The West Midlands will be fine along with the rest of the Uk.
The government think that a no deal scenario will see the economy of the West Midlands shrink by 13%.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/08/brexit-impact-studies-leak-reveals-regions-will-hit-hardest/
In the post truth world -13% is the very definition of being fine.....were it not so tragic, it'd be amusing.
At the moment it's all speculation not a certainty or do you know something the rest of us don't! Or was it just your crystal ball you were consulting!
No, it isn’t not speculation. The government think the Midlands will be 13% down in a no deal scenario. That is not speculation. That is a fact. Whether the midlands will indeed be down that much you could argue is speculation. But the fact that the government think that is not speculation. And yet they continue.
-Matt"
Presumably who ever wrote the report was speculating, so the contents are pure speculation and nothing more!Just like other speculation that as failed to materialise!Time will tell! |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!
he fears his retirement plans will be fucked once we leave EU, bends over backwords and worships EU "L""
No clue what this means. |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!
So posing legitimate questions is treason now is it? I trust you'll enjoy watching the W Midlands disappear up it's own post brexit fundament....
Who mentioned treason!? The West Midlands will be fine along with the rest of the Uk.
The government think that a no deal scenario will see the economy of the West Midlands shrink by 13%.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/08/brexit-impact-studies-leak-reveals-regions-will-hit-hardest/
In the post truth world -13% is the very definition of being fine.....were it not so tragic, it'd be amusing.
At the moment it's all speculation not a certainty or do you know something the rest of us don't! Or was it just your crystal ball you were consulting!
No, it isn’t not speculation. The government think the Midlands will be 13% down in a no deal scenario. That is not speculation. That is a fact. Whether the midlands will indeed be down that much you could argue is speculation. But the fact that the government think that is not speculation. And yet they continue.
-Matt
Presumably who ever wrote the report was speculating, so the contents are pure speculation and nothing more!Just like other speculation that as failed to materialise!Time will tell! "
You would prefer that complex decisions that effect the lives of millions should be made on a whim with no analysis whatever? Yes/No
When a complex simulation model is used to design an aeroplane wing, is that "speculation"? Yes/No
Considering the complexity has the fact that the direction and magnitude that the economy has taken been pretty well predicted? Yes/No |
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"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!
So posing legitimate questions is treason now is it? I trust you'll enjoy watching the W Midlands disappear up it's own post brexit fundament....
Who mentioned treason!? The West Midlands will be fine along with the rest of the Uk.
The government think that a no deal scenario will see the economy of the West Midlands shrink by 13%.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/08/brexit-impact-studies-leak-reveals-regions-will-hit-hardest/
In the post truth world -13% is the very definition of being fine.....were it not so tragic, it'd be amusing.
At the moment it's all speculation not a certainty or do you know something the rest of us don't! Or was it just your crystal ball you were consulting!
No, it isn’t not speculation. The government think the Midlands will be 13% down in a no deal scenario. That is not speculation. That is a fact. Whether the midlands will indeed be down that much you could argue is speculation. But the fact that the government think that is not speculation. And yet they continue.
-Matt
Presumably who ever wrote the report was speculating, so the contents are pure speculation and nothing more!Just like other speculation that as failed to materialise!Time will tell!
You would prefer that complex decisions that effect the lives of millions should be made on a whim with no analysis whatever? Yes/No
When a complex simulation model is used to design an aeroplane wing, is that "speculation"? Yes/No
Considering the complexity has the fact that the direction and magnitude that the economy has taken been pretty well predicted? Yes/No"
We aren't talking about wings though are we as presumably you would know what plane they were being designed for and work accordingly! Once you know what the deal is you can speculate about it, you just like the worst case scenario because it fits your way of thinking. |
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"When people debate Brexit on these forums and provide links and statistics to back up their argument I often wonder why bother!
I dont think anyone with any real political clout will read these forums and be swayed to intervene and try to reverse brexit or campaign for another referendum.
I understand though that people often want to to vent, I just think if people get so worked up there must be a more suitable platform where their arguments might have more impact
This is the thing that gets me. “No one with any political clout reads these forums” and yet the referendum was decided on a tiny majority and voted on ‘by the people’.
Who do you think those people are that voted, if they are not the people on this forum. On other forums. Your neighbours etc?
-Matt"
As i said i think its pointless posting links and data etc and constantly arguing about brexit on here. I think the difference between yes and no was approx a million people and im pretty sure the percentage of uk population reading forums on fab is considerably lower than a million people.
Im not saying people cant keep at it on these forums i just dont see the logic. Its been over a year since the referendum and yet remain voters are still posting Stats, figures and links etc. Just get over it.
Had i lived in the UK i would have voted remain but i dont. |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!
So posing legitimate questions is treason now is it? I trust you'll enjoy watching the W Midlands disappear up it's own post brexit fundament....
Who mentioned treason!? The West Midlands will be fine along with the rest of the Uk.
The government think that a no deal scenario will see the economy of the West Midlands shrink by 13%.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/08/brexit-impact-studies-leak-reveals-regions-will-hit-hardest/
In the post truth world -13% is the very definition of being fine.....were it not so tragic, it'd be amusing.
At the moment it's all speculation not a certainty or do you know something the rest of us don't! Or was it just your crystal ball you were consulting!
No, it isn’t not speculation. The government think the Midlands will be 13% down in a no deal scenario. That is not speculation. That is a fact. Whether the midlands will indeed be down that much you could argue is speculation. But the fact that the government think that is not speculation. And yet they continue.
-Matt
Presumably who ever wrote the report was speculating, so the contents are pure speculation and nothing more!Just like other speculation that as failed to materialise!Time will tell!
You would prefer that complex decisions that effect the lives of millions should be made on a whim with no analysis whatever? Yes/No
When a complex simulation model is used to design an aeroplane wing, is that "speculation"? Yes/No
Considering the complexity has the fact that the direction and magnitude that the economy has taken been pretty well predicted? Yes/No
We aren't talking about wings though are we as presumably you would know what plane they were being designed for and work accordingly! Once you know what the deal is you can speculate about it, you just like the worst case scenario because it fits your way of thinking. "
I was trying to dumb-down some questions that require some quite complex balancing and assessment.
Well done failing to comprehend to the simplified version too.
It seems weird that you respond to a series of direct questions by ignoring them completely and discussing something else. At least, it is odd unless the topic is too complex for you to engage with. Having seen your posts in other threads I have to conclude that is the case.
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"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!
So posing legitimate questions is treason now is it? I trust you'll enjoy watching the W Midlands disappear up it's own post brexit fundament....
Who mentioned treason!? The West Midlands will be fine along with the rest of the Uk.
The government think that a no deal scenario will see the economy of the West Midlands shrink by 13%.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/08/brexit-impact-studies-leak-reveals-regions-will-hit-hardest/
In the post truth world -13% is the very definition of being fine.....were it not so tragic, it'd be amusing.
At the moment it's all speculation not a certainty or do you know something the rest of us don't! Or was it just your crystal ball you were consulting!
No, it isn’t not speculation. The government think the Midlands will be 13% down in a no deal scenario. That is not speculation. That is a fact. Whether the midlands will indeed be down that much you could argue is speculation. But the fact that the government think that is not speculation. And yet they continue.
-Matt
Presumably who ever wrote the report was speculating, so the contents are pure speculation and nothing more!Just like other speculation that as failed to materialise!Time will tell!
You would prefer that complex decisions that effect the lives of millions should be made on a whim with no analysis whatever? Yes/No
When a complex simulation model is used to design an aeroplane wing, is that "speculation"? Yes/No
Considering the complexity has the fact that the direction and magnitude that the economy has taken been pretty well predicted? Yes/No
We aren't talking about wings though are we as presumably you would know what plane they were being designed for and work accordingly! Once you know what the deal is you can speculate about it, you just like the worst case scenario because it fits your way of thinking.
I was trying to dumb-down some questions that require some quite complex balancing and assessment.
Well done failing to comprehend to the simplified version too.
It seems weird that you respond to a series of direct questions by ignoring them completely and discussing something else. At least, it is odd unless the topic is too complex for you to engage with. Having seen your posts in other threads I have to conclude that is the case.
You are an odd chap "
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!
So posing legitimate questions is treason now is it? I trust you'll enjoy watching the W Midlands disappear up it's own post brexit fundament....
Who mentioned treason!? The West Midlands will be fine along with the rest of the Uk.
The government think that a no deal scenario will see the economy of the West Midlands shrink by 13%.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/08/brexit-impact-studies-leak-reveals-regions-will-hit-hardest/
In the post truth world -13% is the very definition of being fine.....were it not so tragic, it'd be amusing.
At the moment it's all speculation not a certainty or do you know something the rest of us don't! Or was it just your crystal ball you were consulting!
No, it isn’t not speculation. The government think the Midlands will be 13% down in a no deal scenario. That is not speculation. That is a fact. Whether the midlands will indeed be down that much you could argue is speculation. But the fact that the government think that is not speculation. And yet they continue.
-Matt
Presumably who ever wrote the report was speculating, so the contents are pure speculation and nothing more!Just like other speculation that as failed to materialise!Time will tell!
You would prefer that complex decisions that effect the lives of millions should be made on a whim with no analysis whatever? Yes/No
When a complex simulation model is used to design an aeroplane wing, is that "speculation"? Yes/No
Considering the complexity has the fact that the direction and magnitude that the economy has taken been pretty well predicted? Yes/No
We aren't talking about wings though are we as presumably you would know what plane they were being designed for and work accordingly! Once you know what the deal is you can speculate about it, you just like the worst case scenario because it fits your way of thinking.
I was trying to dumb-down some questions that require some quite complex balancing and assessment.
Well done failing to comprehend to the simplified version too.
It seems weird that you respond to a series of direct questions by ignoring them completely and discussing something else. At least, it is odd unless the topic is too complex for you to engage with. Having seen your posts in other threads I have to conclude that is the case.
You are an odd chap Pompous as ever! With armchair experts like you I don't need to answer anything as you already know the answers. Say hello to your wife for me, oh no best not to it's a secret you are on here! "
Good and pertinent contribution.
Absolutely zero useful contribution. Again.
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"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!
So posing legitimate questions is treason now is it? I trust you'll enjoy watching the W Midlands disappear up it's own post brexit fundament....
Who mentioned treason!? The West Midlands will be fine along with the rest of the Uk.
The government think that a no deal scenario will see the economy of the West Midlands shrink by 13%.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/08/brexit-impact-studies-leak-reveals-regions-will-hit-hardest/
In the post truth world -13% is the very definition of being fine.....were it not so tragic, it'd be amusing.
At the moment it's all speculation not a certainty or do you know something the rest of us don't! Or was it just your crystal ball you were consulting!
No, it isn’t not speculation. The government think the Midlands will be 13% down in a no deal scenario. That is not speculation. That is a fact. Whether the midlands will indeed be down that much you could argue is speculation. But the fact that the government think that is not speculation. And yet they continue.
-Matt
Presumably who ever wrote the report was speculating, so the contents are pure speculation and nothing more!Just like other speculation that as failed to materialise!Time will tell!
You would prefer that complex decisions that effect the lives of millions should be made on a whim with no analysis whatever? Yes/No
When a complex simulation model is used to design an aeroplane wing, is that "speculation"? Yes/No
Considering the complexity has the fact that the direction and magnitude that the economy has taken been pretty well predicted? Yes/No
We aren't talking about wings though are we as presumably you would know what plane they were being designed for and work accordingly! Once you know what the deal is you can speculate about it, you just like the worst case scenario because it fits your way of thinking.
I was trying to dumb-down some questions that require some quite complex balancing and assessment.
Well done failing to comprehend to the simplified version too.
It seems weird that you respond to a series of direct questions by ignoring them completely and discussing something else. At least, it is odd unless the topic is too complex for you to engage with. Having seen your posts in other threads I have to conclude that is the case.
You are an odd chap Pompous as ever! With armchair experts like you I don't need to answer anything as you already know the answers. Say hello to your wife for me, oh no best not to it's a secret you are on here!
Good and pertinent contribution.
Absolutely zero useful contribution. Again.
Bless "
Perhaps you will find this contribution useful, a user name change to Easily Bores Uk, would sum you up nicely! |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income |
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"When people debate Brexit on these forums and provide links and statistics to back up their argument I often wonder why bother!
I dont think anyone with any real political clout will read these forums and be swayed to intervene and try to reverse brexit or campaign for another referendum.
I understand though that people often want to to vent, I just think if people get so worked up there must be a more suitable platform where their arguments might have more impact "
A n extemelly valid and very relevant point. It always amuses me when people on these forums ask for facts to back up an opinion. Would anyone really use a forum such as this to form an opinion or investigate issues. ? At best it can be used to pass idle time . I have even seen posters posting links to back up their facts and post links back to other members posts.
I would think that the number of members who read these forums is probably less than 100 and more likely to be around thirty . |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"When people debate Brexit on these forums and provide links and statistics to back up their argument I often wonder why bother!
I dont think anyone with any real political clout will read these forums and be swayed to intervene and try to reverse brexit or campaign for another referendum.
I understand though that people often want to to vent, I just think if people get so worked up there must be a more suitable platform where their arguments might have more impact A n extemelly valid and very relevant point. It always amuses me when people on these forums ask for facts to back up an opinion. Would anyone really use a forum such as this to form an opinion or investigate issues. ? At best it can be used to pass idle time . I have even seen posters posting links to back up their facts and post links back to other members posts.
I would think that the number of members who read these forums is probably less than 100 and more likely to be around thirty . "
So you don't believe in facts huh? Should we guess which way you voted in the referendum? |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
"When people debate Brexit on these forums and provide links and statistics to back up their argument I often wonder why bother!
I dont think anyone with any real political clout will read these forums and be swayed to intervene and try to reverse brexit or campaign for another referendum.
I understand though that people often want to to vent, I just think if people get so worked up there must be a more suitable platform where their arguments might have more impact A n extemelly valid and very relevant point. It always amuses me when people on these forums ask for facts to back up an opinion. Would anyone really use a forum such as this to form an opinion or investigate issues. ? At best it can be used to pass idle time . I have even seen posters posting links to back up their facts and post links back to other members posts.
I would think that the number of members who read these forums is probably less than 100 and more likely to be around thirty . "
So why are you posting?
You aren't even making any effort to address the thread. |
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"When people debate Brexit on these forums and provide links and statistics to back up their argument I often wonder why bother!
I dont think anyone with any real political clout will read these forums and be swayed to intervene and try to reverse brexit or campaign for another referendum.
I understand though that people often want to to vent, I just think if people get so worked up there must be a more suitable platform where their arguments might have more impact A n extemelly valid and very relevant point. It always amuses me when people on these forums ask for facts to back up an opinion. Would anyone really use a forum such as this to form an opinion or investigate issues. ? At best it can be used to pass idle time . I have even seen posters posting links to back up their facts and post links back to other members posts.
I would think that the number of members who read these forums is probably less than 100 and more likely to be around thirty .
So you don't believe in facts huh? Should we guess which way you voted in the referendum? "
Facts may be very relevant if you are making a decision about fit example installing a new central heating boiler . On a forum such as this I am only interested in a members opinion on a topic . If I needed any supporting facts I can find them myself . |
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"When people debate Brexit on these forums and provide links and statistics to back up their argument I often wonder why bother!
I dont think anyone with any real political clout will read these forums and be swayed to intervene and try to reverse brexit or campaign for another referendum.
I understand though that people often want to to vent, I just think if people get so worked up there must be a more suitable platform where their arguments might have more impact A n extemelly valid and very relevant point. It always amuses me when people on these forums ask for facts to back up an opinion. Would anyone really use a forum such as this to form an opinion or investigate issues. ? At best it can be used to pass idle time . I have even seen posters posting links to back up their facts and post links back to other members posts.
I would think that the number of members who read these forums is probably less than 100 and more likely to be around thirty .
So you don't believe in facts huh? Should we guess which way you voted in the referendum? "
When I voted I sat down at my kitchen table , made an assessment of three important issues and voted accordingly . |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"When people debate Brexit on these forums and provide links and statistics to back up their argument I often wonder why bother!
I dont think anyone with any real political clout will read these forums and be swayed to intervene and try to reverse brexit or campaign for another referendum.
I understand though that people often want to to vent, I just think if people get so worked up there must be a more suitable platform where their arguments might have more impact A n extemelly valid and very relevant point. It always amuses me when people on these forums ask for facts to back up an opinion. Would anyone really use a forum such as this to form an opinion or investigate issues. ? At best it can be used to pass idle time . I have even seen posters posting links to back up their facts and post links back to other members posts.
I would think that the number of members who read these forums is probably less than 100 and more likely to be around thirty .
So you don't believe in facts huh? Should we guess which way you voted in the referendum? When I voted I sat down at my kitchen table , made an assessment of three important issues and voted accordingly . "
And which 3 issues were they? |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
32 posts on the thread and nobody addressing a single one of the paradoxes raised.
Well done leavers. The fact that you have thought so deeply about the complexities and have good answers to these issues is impressive.
You continue to fill me with confidence in the future which you keep telling remainers to get behind. |
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"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen! "
And you seriously believe that you do?
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"When people debate Brexit on these forums and provide links and statistics to back up their argument I often wonder why bother!
I dont think anyone with any real political clout will read these forums and be swayed to intervene and try to reverse brexit or campaign for another referendum.
I understand though that people often want to to vent, I just think if people get so worked up there must be a more suitable platform where their arguments might have more impact "
That's true but, on the other hand, a lot of other forums on other sites that allow BREXIT discussions are just echo chambers for one side or the other. On here at least you get a broad spectrum of views. Not all of it very well informed but some, from both sides, make good points. |
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"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!
Excellent response.
You think that helped?"
what do you think |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!
Excellent response.
You think that helped?
what do you think"
I think brexiters didn't think about the above questions before voting |
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"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!
Excellent response.
You think that helped?
what do you think
I think brexiters didn't think about the above questions before voting "
I know some remainers who could argue Brexit is good in one perspective but overall the cons of Brexit overuled the pros. But I haven't come across a brexiter who can argue this without using headlines. |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
"Please resolve:
Free trade vs protecting UK jobs
Lower prices vs protecting UK jobs
UK economy 70% services vs No existing international agreements in services
UK wages and working conditions vs low wage, low welfare economies
UK fishing industry vs UK agricultural industry
Negotiating strength of UK economy alone vs negotiating strength of UK+EU
UK international influence alone vs UK international influence as one of three biggest nations in EU
"Taking back control" vs any international agreement
Immigration vs crime rate
Immigration vs welfare payments
Cost of EU membership vs cost of reduced trade with EU
German exports to non-EU countries vs UK exports to non-EU countries
Complicated one;
Immigration vs 2008 crash/ austerity vs income Best start looking for some data!
That's the challenge. I've provided a lot on a number of theeads. Brexiteersnever quite manage as experts and data are unreliable apparently...unless it agrees with them.
Still, I'd like to see someone give it a go.
You don't seem up to it though
Better things to do with my time fortunately, perhaps Hans and Helga could help with the data!Ask someone at the EU as you seem to have more in common with them than your fellow countrymen!
Excellent response.
You think that helped?
what do you think"
No Cask. I think it was pointless and empty and didn't address the question.
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