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"I just hope that the days of violence are over. Also, I would say that this proposition is different to the Scottish independence movement. Scotland want to be independent, and so the only people who get to vote on the referendum are the people of Scotland (once authorised by Westminster). In this case though it's not about NI becoming independent, it about NI joining another country, Eire. I assume that therefore the people of Eire would also have a say on if they want to take responsibility for NI. " Ya we would , pole today showing 68% in favour 15% against remainder don't know | |||
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"Aye, you missed out (in the next 5 years) if they get Westminster permission
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in saying that Michelle O'Neill could be no too bad in looks if she lost some weight."Westminster has given permission , it is part of good Friday agreement to allow for a vote on reunification , | |||
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"I do feel it would be a terrible betrayal of the brave men and there families who have lost there lives fighting for the United Kingdom. It is easy to say who will win as it will be decided on religious grounds.. Not a recipe for a peaceful resolution more a recipe for a return to the dark days... "terrible betrayal of the brave men and there families who have lost there lives fighting for the United Kingdom. Are you fucking joking ??? They fought to decide a nation It's not betrayal its reunification of a country decided by them , | |||
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"Frankly it's nonsense, the only people who can decide on unification are the people of Northern Ireland and before that can happen they need to decide on independence from the UK. Otherwise it's just Crimea and Russia to all intents and purposes" there is two votes required one in northern Ireland one in the south , Both require majority 50% plus 1 to happen , | |||
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"Now Excitement needed let me guess your leanings?.....It is a recipe for disaster and we all know it....If you feel so hard done by.......Try emigrate to the South?....You will be at peace there "I am from the south , The clock is ticking , A NATION ONCE AGAIN | |||
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"Now Excitement needed let me guess your leanings?.....It is a recipe for disaster and we all know it....If you feel so hard done by.......Try emigrate to the South?....You will be at peace there I am from the south ,
The clock is ticking ,
A NATION ONCE AGAIN "While others are angry and the thought they wont be able to control countries in the UK anymore if the UK breaking apart i will wish you the best of luck | |||
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"Now Excitement needed let me guess your leanings?.....It is a recipe for disaster and we all know it....If you feel so hard done by.......Try emigrate to the South?....You will be at peace there I am from the south ,
The clock is ticking ,
A NATION ONCE AGAIN
Lets hope your potato crops do better this time"Thats the sickest comment ive heard on hear you should be fucking ashamed of yourself | |||
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"I do feel it would be a terrible betrayal of the brave men and there families who have lost there lives fighting for the United Kingdom. It is easy to say who will win as it will be decided on religious grounds.. Not a recipe for a peaceful resolution more a recipe for a return to the dark days... "Well we've already got a contender for the most ignorant person in this thread... | |||
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"Frankly it's nonsense, the only people who can decide on unification are the people of Northern Ireland and before that can happen they need to decide on independence from the UK. Otherwise it's just Crimea and Russia to all intents and purposes there is two votes required one in northern Ireland one in the south , Both require majority 50% plus 1 to happen , " . Well you've got little chance of your own little pipe dream happening. Most people in northern Ireland consider themselves British, the sooner you get over that the easier the problem will be to resolve. Your attitude and others like you is half the problem and always has been | |||
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"Why is the person ignorant? Are you seriously suggesting that religion would play no part in the decision? " . Because there's plenty of Catholics that live in northern Ireland who consider themselves British and want to remain British. It is typically divided by religion but actually it's those who favour British rule over Irish. To be fair the Irish and British rule is no longer so different either religiously or politically so the points of view of all citizens of Ireland have become closer over the years. | |||
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"Frankly it's nonsense, the only people who can decide on unification are the people of Northern Ireland and before that can happen they need to decide on independence from the UK. Otherwise it's just Crimea and Russia to all intents and purposes there is two votes required one in northern Ireland one in the south , Both require majority 50% plus 1 to happen , . Well you've got little chance of your own little pipe dream happening. Most people in northern Ireland consider themselves British, the sooner you get over that the easier the problem will be to resolve. Your attitude and others like you is half the problem and always has been" What do you mean with my attitude ?? Care to explain that remark | |||
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"Frankly it's nonsense, the only people who can decide on unification are the people of Northern Ireland and before that can happen they need to decide on independence from the UK. Otherwise it's just Crimea and Russia to all intents and purposes there is two votes required one in northern Ireland one in the south , Both require majority 50% plus 1 to happen , . Well you've got little chance of your own little pipe dream happening. Most people in northern Ireland consider themselves British, the sooner you get over that the easier the problem will be to resolve. Your attitude and others like you is half the problem and always has been What do you mean with my attitude ?? Care to explain that remark " Am starting to see a nasty dark pattern happening in these forums Of people thinking the have the right to dictate to other countries thats best for them Then try and claim is your attitude thats the problem Unionism is going down a very deep dark nasty path | |||
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"Why is the person ignorant? Are you seriously suggesting that religion would play no part in the decision? " Religion is not the dominant issue and hasnt been for a while. A bigger issue is that there are people who see themselves as Irish and people who see themselves as British. There is a loose correlation based on religion but its not the driving issue. Further the Brexit issue has pushed more people towards a United Ireland with a december poll saying that in the event of a hard Brexit 48% of Northern Irish people would would vote for reunification. So no, religion is not the issue for most in Northern Ireland, thats a long out of date viewpoint. Further her idiotic comment about the reunification being a betrayal of the soldiers who died "defending the united kingdom" is a typical narrowminded myopic viewpoint of someone who has no idea of the history of Northern Ireland and has no idea of any other viewpoint other than their own. | |||
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"Why is the person ignorant? Are you seriously suggesting that religion would play no part in the decision? Religion is not the dominant issue and hasnt been for a while. A bigger issue is that there are people who see themselves as Irish and people who see themselves as British. There is a loose correlation based on religion but its not the driving issue. Further the Brexit issue has pushed more people towards a United Ireland with a december poll saying that in the event of a hard Brexit 48% of Northern Irish people would would vote for reunification. So no, religion is not the issue for most in Northern Ireland, thats a long out of date viewpoint. Further her idiotic comment about the reunification being a betrayal of the soldiers who died "defending the united kingdom" is a typical narrowminded myopic viewpoint of someone who has no idea of the history of Northern Ireland and has no idea of any other viewpoint other than their own." I wouldn't imagine it's even her opinion, just some garbage she's heard and believes it's the "right" point of view! | |||
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"Frankly it's nonsense, the only people who can decide on unification are the people of Northern Ireland and before that can happen they need to decide on independence from the UK. Otherwise it's just Crimea and Russia to all intents and purposes there is two votes required one in northern Ireland one in the south , Both require majority 50% plus 1 to happen , . Well you've got little chance of your own little pipe dream happening. Most people in northern Ireland consider themselves British, the sooner you get over that the easier the problem will be to resolve. Your attitude and others like you is half the problem and always has been" The unionists are heavily skewed towards the 60+ age bracket, the nationalists are growing in size year after year after year. And Brexit has pushed more Northern Irish towards a United Ireland and a hard Brexit puts the 6 counties within the margin of error for winning the vote. If theres a hard Brexit then there'll be enough support for the reunification side to win within 5 years if not sooner. | |||
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"Frankly it's nonsense, the only people who can decide on unification are the people of Northern Ireland and before that can happen they need to decide on independence from the UK. Otherwise it's just Crimea and Russia to all intents and purposes there is two votes required one in northern Ireland one in the south , Both require majority 50% plus 1 to happen , . Well you've got little chance of your own little pipe dream happening. Most people in northern Ireland consider themselves British, the sooner you get over that the easier the problem will be to resolve. Your attitude and others like you is half the problem and always has been What do you mean with my attitude ?? Care to explain that remark " . Ok, there's a sizeable proportion of Irish people that think unionists aren't "Irish" and never will be, it's not the majority view thank goodness but it lurks in the background. It's divisive by nature but then that's been the history of the Irish border for a long time. It's history and water under the bridge but some just can't let it go | |||
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"Frankly it's nonsense, the only people who can decide on unification are the people of Northern Ireland and before that can happen they need to decide on independence from the UK. Otherwise it's just Crimea and Russia to all intents and purposes there is two votes required one in northern Ireland one in the south , Both require majority 50% plus 1 to happen , . Well you've got little chance of your own little pipe dream happening. Most people in northern Ireland consider themselves British, the sooner you get over that the easier the problem will be to resolve. Your attitude and others like you is half the problem and always has been The unionists are heavily skewed towards the 60+ age bracket, the nationalists are growing in size year after year after year. And Brexit has pushed more Northern Irish towards a United Ireland and a hard Brexit puts the 6 counties within the margin of error for winning the vote. If theres a hard Brexit then there'll be enough support for the reunification side to win within 5 years if not sooner." . I've got no problems with a united Ireland, I was simply pointing out that in all fairness you can't have the south voting to annex n Ireland, it would be no different than Crimea. The only fair solution is to let northern Ireland decide on independence and then they would be free or not for reunification with the south if they then choose that path but it cannot come from a southern Irish vote | |||
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"Frankly it's nonsense, the only people who can decide on unification are the people of Northern Ireland and before that can happen they need to decide on independence from the UK. Otherwise it's just Crimea and Russia to all intents and purposes there is two votes required one in northern Ireland one in the south , Both require majority 50% plus 1 to happen , . Well you've got little chance of your own little pipe dream happening. Most people in northern Ireland consider themselves British, the sooner you get over that the easier the problem will be to resolve. Your attitude and others like you is half the problem and always has been The unionists are heavily skewed towards the 60+ age bracket, the nationalists are growing in size year after year after year. And Brexit has pushed more Northern Irish towards a United Ireland and a hard Brexit puts the 6 counties within the margin of error for winning the vote. If theres a hard Brexit then there'll be enough support for the reunification side to win within 5 years if not sooner.. I've got no problems with a united Ireland, I was simply pointing out that in all fairness you can't have the south voting to annex n Ireland, it would be no different than Crimea. The only fair solution is to let northern Ireland decide on independence and then they would be free or not for reunification with the south if they then choose that path but it cannot come from a southern Irish vote" Literally no one advocated for a situation where only the Republic would decide this issue. And the GFA doesnt mention anything to do with an independent N. Ireland just the status quo or reunification. Not to mention that an independent Northern Ireland isnt viable. | |||
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"Frankly it's nonsense, the only people who can decide on unification are the people of Northern Ireland and before that can happen they need to decide on independence from the UK. Otherwise it's just Crimea and Russia to all intents and purposes there is two votes required one in northern Ireland one in the south , Both require majority 50% plus 1 to happen , . Well you've got little chance of your own little pipe dream happening. Most people in northern Ireland consider themselves British, the sooner you get over that the easier the problem will be to resolve. Your attitude and others like you is half the problem and always has been The unionists are heavily skewed towards the 60+ age bracket, the nationalists are growing in size year after year after year. And Brexit has pushed more Northern Irish towards a United Ireland and a hard Brexit puts the 6 counties within the margin of error for winning the vote. If theres a hard Brexit then there'll be enough support for the reunification side to win within 5 years if not sooner.. I've got no problems with a united Ireland, I was simply pointing out that in all fairness you can't have the south voting to annex n Ireland, it would be no different than Crimea. The only fair solution is to let northern Ireland decide on independence and then they would be free or not for reunification with the south if they then choose that path but it cannot come from a southern Irish vote Literally no one advocated for a situation where only the Republic would decide this issue. And the GFA doesnt mention anything to do with an independent N. Ireland just the status quo or reunification. Not to mention that an independent Northern Ireland isnt viable." . Like I said I have no problems with a vote on either side but they need to be independent to each other and with a high qualifying margin. A 51/49 either way won't solve the issue just like it hasn't solved the EU conundrum | |||
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"Like I said I have no problems with a vote on either side but they need to be independent to each other and with a high qualifying margin. A 51/49 either way won't solve the issue just like it hasn't solved the EU conundrum" So nothing like the EU referendum then. Remind me what is you position when it is pointed out that not only was that vote very close but because of the numbers that did not vote and had bee disenfranchised barely 26% of the population voted to leave... | |||
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"To the ignorant scots that posted stupidly offensive remarks... try learning your fckn history before posting to this discussion. If you made comments like that to most Irish people you would get a well deserved 5 fingers across the face!" There's one woman from Scotland- so not ScotS- who wasn't supportive- you'd advocate violence for an opinion you don't like? | |||
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"To the ignorant scots that posted stupidly offensive remarks... try learning your fckn history before posting to this discussion. If you made comments like that to most Irish people you would get a well deserved 5 fingers across the face!" I would like to think that we can tell the difference between past and present and don't get offended too easily. A minority yes, hopefully not the majority. Stick and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me. | |||
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"Like I said I have no problems with a vote on either side but they need to be independent to each other and with a high qualifying margin. A 51/49 either way won't solve the issue just like it hasn't solved the EU conundrum So nothing like the EU referendum then. Remind me what is you position when it is pointed out that not only was that vote very close but because of the numbers that did not vote and had bee disenfranchised barely 26% of the population voted to leave... " . I don't vote, as far as I know it was set at the beginning what the qualifying target was, I'm not a fan of 51/49 splits, they don't tend to solve problems | |||
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"To the ignorant scots that posted stupidly offensive remarks... try learning your fckn history before posting to this discussion. If you made comments like that to most Irish people you would get a well deserved 5 fingers across the face! I would like to think that we can tell the difference between past and present and don't get offended too easily. A minority yes, hopefully not the majority. Stick and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me. " Well said  | |||
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"To the ignorant scots that posted stupidly offensive remarks... try learning your fckn history before posting to this discussion. If you made comments like that to most Irish people you would get a well deserved 5 fingers across the face! I would like to think that we can tell the difference between past and present and don't get offended too easily. A minority yes, hopefully not the majority. Stick and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me. Well said "The comment I was referring to has rightfully been deleted, I'm not the easily offended type either but that was well over the line! | |||
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"To the ignorant scots that posted stupidly offensive remarks... try learning your fckn history before posting to this discussion. If you made comments like that to most Irish people you would get a well deserved 5 fingers across the face! There's one woman from Scotland- so not ScotS- who wasn't supportive- you'd advocate violence for an opinion you don't like?" It was not an opinion I didn't like, it was an absolutely ridiculous offensive "joke" made by somebody that should know better. And yes, if somebody made a similar comment to my face they would get an open fist slap from hell as I would expect and deserve from any person of colour if I made a similar joke about their ethnicity. | |||
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"Okay, I don't see that in the posts. If it was about the potato famine rather than about British people dying to create NI, I understand. That was very poor taste. Some of my family ended up in Scotland en route to New Zealand because of famine and not only the famine in Ireland. Famine made me the mongrel I am." . Have you ever wondered why the IRA and later the provisional IRA were socialist/Marxist/Leninist movements?. | |||
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"What did it say?" It mentioned the potato famine, but obviously the poster did not know there were bumper grain harvests in Ireland in those years but because of English laws the grain had to be sent to England to be sold in the produce exchanges. The English had similar laws about cotton that led to the loss of the American colonies. Seems the Tories like all criminal never learn and continually repeat the same mistakes. Eventually there will be a rump of tories somewhere in Cotswold's glorying in having regained English greatness. | |||
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"What did it say? It mentioned the potato famine, but obviously the poster did not know there were bumper grain harvests in Ireland in those years but because of English laws the grain had to be sent to England to be sold in the produce exchanges. The English had similar laws about cotton that led to the loss of the American colonies. Seems the Tories like all criminal never learn and continually repeat the same mistakes. Eventually there will be a rump of tories somewhere in Cotswold's glorying in having regained English greatness. " . And that's why the IRA is and always has been a socialist/Marxist/Leninist movement, the unification of Ireland is symbolic to finally ridding the plunderers of their ill gotten gains  | |||
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"And that's why the IRA is and always has been a socialist/Marxist/Leninist movement, the unification of Ireland is symbolic to finally ridding the plunderers of their ill gotten gains "And that is the claim of every oppressive regime across the globe and time when confronted with a freedom movement that is winning. | |||
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"My international friends make famine jokes all the time. It was over 150 years ago...get a sense of humour/perspective. I hate that fake sense of being offended for your ancestors bullshit. " When the same people are doing the same sorts of things today for exactly the same reasons then it is not in the past and because of my sense of perspective I find nothing of humour in the whole sorry situation. | |||
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"My international friends make famine jokes all the time. It was over 150 years ago...get a sense of humour/perspective. I hate that fake sense of being offended for your ancestors bullshit. " Well a lot of Irish peoples families have been deeply affected as a result of British occupation right up until this very day. You were obviously in the lucky few! Yes the 'famine' was 150 years ago but in the early 1900s-20s there was still all sorts of problems and violence in the country at the hands of the British which affected many of our parents and grandparents generations very deeply! Yes it was a different time but the knock on effect it has had is very real to a lot of us to this day and it's not something that should be joked about in that way! I would not wish it upon any British soldier to die in duty regardless of whether I agreed with their agenda and I most certainly would not make a 'joke' wishing what is essentially a genocide upon Britains innocent civilians! | |||
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"And that's why the IRA is and always has been a socialist/Marxist/Leninist movement, the unification of Ireland is symbolic to finally ridding the plunderers of their ill gotten gains
And that is the claim of every oppressive regime across the globe and time when confronted with a freedom movement that is winning.". I agree with you entirely, of course it's also true what happens after the freedom movement win. It's why I don't vote, everybody is a cunt, it's just some have money and some don't | |||
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"Frankly it's nonsense, the only people who can decide on unification are the people of Northern Ireland and before that can happen they need to decide on independence from the UK. Otherwise it's just Crimea and Russia to all intents and purposes there is two votes required one in northern Ireland one in the south , Both require majority 50% plus 1 to happen , . Well you've got little chance of your own little pipe dream happening. Most people in northern Ireland consider themselves British, the sooner you get over that the easier the problem will be to resolve. Your attitude and others like you is half the problem and always has been The unionists are heavily skewed towards the 60+ age bracket, the nationalists are growing in size year after year after year. And Brexit has pushed more Northern Irish towards a United Ireland and a hard Brexit puts the 6 counties within the margin of error for winning the vote. If theres a hard Brexit then there'll be enough support for the reunification side to win within 5 years if not sooner.. I've got no problems with a united Ireland, I was simply pointing out that in all fairness you can't have the south voting to annex n Ireland, it would be no different than Crimea. The only fair solution is to let northern Ireland decide on independence and then they would be free or not for reunification with the south if they then choose that path but it cannot come from a southern Irish vote Literally no one advocated for a situation where only the Republic would decide this issue. And the GFA doesnt mention anything to do with an independent N. Ireland just the status quo or reunification. Not to mention that an independent Northern Ireland isnt viable.. Like I said I have no problems with a vote on either side but they need to be independent to each other and with a high qualifying margin. A 51/49 either way won't solve the issue just like it hasn't solved the EU conundrum" The vote requires a margin of 50% plus 1 from the people of northern Ireland It also requires a vote of 50% plus 1 in the south , Both have to be majority for reunification , | |||
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"Frankly it's nonsense, the only people who can decide on unification are the people of Northern Ireland and before that can happen they need to decide on independence from the UK. Otherwise it's just Crimea and Russia to all intents and purposes there is two votes required one in northern Ireland one in the south , Both require majority 50% plus 1 to happen , . Well you've got little chance of your own little pipe dream happening. Most people in northern Ireland consider themselves British, the sooner you get over that the easier the problem will be to resolve. Your attitude and others like you is half the problem and always has been What do you mean with my attitude ?? Care to explain that remark . Ok, there's a sizeable proportion of Irish people that think unionists aren't "Irish" and never will be, it's not the majority view thank goodness but it lurks in the background. It's divisive by nature but then that's been the history of the Irish border for a long time. It's history and water under the bridge but some just can't let it go" what are you on about ???? Your very like Theresa May you put you two feet in it now trying to back out , | |||
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"Frankly it's nonsense, the only people who can decide on unification are the people of Northern Ireland and before that can happen they need to decide on independence from the UK. Otherwise it's just Crimea and Russia to all intents and purposes there is two votes required one in northern Ireland one in the south , Both require majority 50% plus 1 to happen , . Well you've got little chance of your own little pipe dream happening. Most people in northern Ireland consider themselves British, the sooner you get over that the easier the problem will be to resolve. Your attitude and others like you is half the problem and always has been The unionists are heavily skewed towards the 60+ age bracket, the nationalists are growing in size year after year after year. And Brexit has pushed more Northern Irish towards a United Ireland and a hard Brexit puts the 6 counties within the margin of error for winning the vote. If theres a hard Brexit then there'll be enough support for the reunification side to win within 5 years if not sooner.. I've got no problems with a united Ireland, I was simply pointing out that in all fairness you can't have the south voting to annex n Ireland, it would be no different than Crimea. The only fair solution is to let northern Ireland decide on independence and then they would be free or not for reunification with the south if they then choose that path but it cannot come from a southern Irish vote Literally no one advocated for a situation where only the Republic would decide this issue. And the GFA doesnt mention anything to do with an independent N. Ireland just the status quo or reunification. Not to mention that an independent Northern Ireland isnt viable.. Like I said I have no problems with a vote on either side but they need to be independent to each other and with a high qualifying margin. A 51/49 either way won't solve the issue just like it hasn't solved the EU conundrum The vote requires a margin of 50% plus 1 from the people of northern Ireland It also requires a vote of 50% plus 1 in the south , Both have to be majority for reunification , " . Yea I can't perceive any problems with that, good luck | |||
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"The UK would save around £10 billion if the north was no longer part of the UK.Also with Irish reunified immigration from that part of Europe would drop away and if Scotland went independent the rest of UK would be wealthier.Its a vote winner. "What about Wales ? | |||
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"The UK would save around £10 billion if the north was no longer part of the UK.Also with Irish reunified immigration from that part of Europe would drop away and if Scotland went independent the rest of UK would be wealthier.Its a vote winner.
What about Wales ? ". They seem relatively happy with the current situation | |||
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"The UK would save around £10 billion if the north was no longer part of the UK.Also with Irish reunified immigration from that part of Europe would drop away and if Scotland went independent the rest of UK would be wealthier.Its a vote winner.
What about Wales ? .
They seem relatively happy with the current situation "And you know this how ? | |||
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"The UK would save around £10 billion if the north was no longer part of the UK.Also with Irish reunified immigration from that part of Europe would drop away and if Scotland went independent the rest of UK would be wealthier.Its a vote winner.
What about Wales ? .
They seem relatively happy with the current situation "Yeah I think the Welsh are probably going to stay with England.The Scots and the Irish will definitely leave the union .I think the next decade or so It will happen.We will all be happier when it happens. | |||
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"The UK would save around £10 billion if the north was no longer part of the UK.Also with Irish reunified immigration from that part of Europe would drop away and if Scotland went independent the rest of UK would be wealthier.Its a vote winner.
What about Wales ? .
They seem relatively happy with the current situation
Yeah I think the Welsh are probably going to stay with England.The Scots and the Irish will definitely leave the union .I think the next decade or so It will happen.We will all be happier when it happens.""Stay with England" since when was Wales part of England ? Lol do you know Wales wanna be in a union with England if Scotland and NI left the UK ? I agree with your last bit all independent coubtries would be alot happier no more Westminster rule | |||
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"Bobbangs i hate to put a fly in your ointment but the Scots are not stupid enough to vote to be poorer... I wonder who gains from all this talk of breaking up the UK...Instability in our defence, Brexit trade wars to come....makes you wonder if the term "Willing fools" applies to very many of us "Interesting so are you calling me stupid because i believe independence for Scotland and for England and Wales and NI ? You live in Scotland but dont have any faith in Scotland the mind boggles! Lol | |||
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"The UK would save around £10 billion if the north was no longer part of the UK.Also with Irish reunified immigration from that part of Europe would drop away and if Scotland went independent the rest of UK would be wealthier.Its a vote winner.
What about Wales ? .
They seem relatively happy with the current situation
And you know this how ?". I was there at the weekend and I asked at least 4 people at the beach | |||
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"The UK would save around £10 billion if the north was no longer part of the UK.Also with Irish reunified immigration from that part of Europe would drop away and if Scotland went independent the rest of UK would be wealthier.Its a vote winner.
What about Wales ? .
They seem relatively happy with the current situation
And you know this how ?.
I was there at the weekend and I asked at least 4 people at the beach "Lol all 4 in the country Wales ? Must be empty where you were what about the other 3 million ? Hehe | |||
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"We have the opposite of a famine right now...any ramification have gone full circle by now. While bad people will always exist and do bad things...you have the draw a line in the sand somewhere and move on. Or should I hate my neighbours across the pond for what they had no involvement in? " What are you talking about? You clearly didn't read my comment. I've made it pretty clear I don't hate the British by any stretch due to the events of the past and I can assure you that the ramifications have not gone "full circle" for a lot of people and in some ways never will. You seem to think the only grounds for having an opinion on the past are false ones and you know it all so there's no point engaging with you! You're either from an Anglo Irish family, a very privileged family, an immigrant family or an ignorant family to have the opinion you do. There has been years of horrific and barbaric violence at the hands of both sides and while it's in the past, it is not something you should joke about unless it's with a friend under a certain dynamic! | |||
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"The UK would save around £10 billion if the north was no longer part of the UK.Also with Irish reunified immigration from that part of Europe would drop away and if Scotland went independent the rest of UK would be wealthier.Its a vote winner.
What about Wales ? .
They seem relatively happy with the current situation
And you know this how ?.
I was there at the weekend and I asked at least 4 people at the beach
Lol all 4 in the country Wales ? Must be empty where you were what about the other 3 million ? Hehe". Dunno I was busy trying to catch a few waves, it was just some fellow beach bums I could poll | |||
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"The UK would save around £10 billion if the north was no longer part of the UK.Also with Irish reunified immigration from that part of Europe would drop away and if Scotland went independent the rest of UK would be wealthier.Its a vote winner.
What about Wales ? .
They seem relatively happy with the current situation
And you know this how ?.
I was there at the weekend and I asked at least 4 people at the beach
Lol all 4 in the country Wales ? Must be empty where you were what about the other 3 million ? Hehe.
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"She said that Brexit has created a new dynamic in Northern Ireland and that a referendum should be held as a result. Mrs O'Neill said: "Ending partition has now taken on a new dynamic because of Brexit... "Because Brexit exposes the undemocratic nature of partition. " It is difficult to see what relevance Brexit has to a United Ireland. The only people who will decide are the voters of Northern Ireland. It is unlikely would be a majority vote for a United Ireland . Northern Ireland still remains very much part of the UK and will be for a long time to come. | |||
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"She said that Brexit has created a new dynamic in Northern Ireland and that a referendum should be held as a result. Mrs O'Neill said: "Ending partition has now taken on a new dynamic because of Brexit... "Because Brexit exposes the undemocratic nature of partition. It is difficult to see what relevance Brexit has to a United Ireland. The only people who will decide are the voters of Northern Ireland. It is unlikely would be a majority vote for a United Ireland . Northern Ireland still remains very much part of the UK and will be for a long time to come. " In your opinion only But fact is you dont know that for a fact the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland may very well want a united Ireland Alot of people down south seem afraid then their UK union could be waving cheerio soon lol as it will be out of their hands | |||
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"Kinky your delight in anything you perceive as bad news for the UK is rather distasteful. A united Ireland is not in the interests of anyone that values peace. I would have no idea why you would want to align your views with those of Sinn Fein/ the political wing of the IRA.. i certainly like to choose my friends a little more carefully "In your opinion only It will be for N.I and the Rep of Ireland to decide for themselves what they want What the fuck are you in ? When did i say i align with anyone ? I believe the UK is no union and all countries should be independent Unioniam is going down a deep dark nasty path trying to dictate terms to keep the UK together | |||
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"Kinky your delight in anything you perceive as bad news for the UK is rather distasteful. A united Ireland is not in the interests of anyone that values peace. I would have no idea why you would want to align your views with those of Sinn Fein/ the political wing of the IRA.. i certainly like to choose my friends a little more carefully "Why would a United ireland lead to violence ?? | |||
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"Yes independence is what you truly believe in is it ?.......No man or country for that matter is an island Inter dependence is a matter of fact. We need to defend and trade as unions... your isolationist agenda would only hurt us and other small countries. " Told you unionism is going down a deep dark path to try and stop people deciding their own future if its anything put the UK under threat of breaking apart they will use any trick to stop and wil even tey to dictate terms | |||
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"Your truly deluded if you believe that a small country acting alone has the financial and political clout of a union. Oh and your inner bigot is really taking over honey, you used to hide it better "Yup thats unionism for you out pops the bigot crap Plenty of countries smaller than N Ireland and Scotland do just fine | |||
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"Why are people still engaging with milli? She's clearly euther dilluded or just trolling... pop her on ignore and you're sorted!" | |||
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"She said that Brexit has created a new dynamic in Northern Ireland and that a referendum should be held as a result. Mrs O'Neill said: "Ending partition has now taken on a new dynamic because of Brexit... "Because Brexit exposes the undemocratic nature of partition. It is difficult to see what relevance Brexit has to a United Ireland. The only people who will decide are the voters of Northern Ireland. It is unlikely would be a majority vote for a United Ireland . Northern Ireland still remains very much part of the UK and will be for a long time to come. In your opinion only But fact is you dont know that for a fact the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland may very well want a united Ireland Alot of people down south seem afraid then their UK union could be waving cheerio soon lol as it will be out of their hands " Dont worry about Pat, its difficult for him to see 2 feet in front of him. For a man who constantly talks about his difficulty in seeing obvious things he should be on his way to specsavers. | |||
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"Unionism that you find so abhorrent stands for countries in tandem working for the greater good....Defending our ideals and way of life, Your small minded ...and rather simplistic views show that you need to think a little more deeply....To stand alone and "Do all right" is that the height of your ambition/ Is that what Nationalism means? the triumph of the system over the people ? Oh and you claim that Irish people are crying out for a vote you a Scot are the most frequent poster on here....your a troll lol" He might be as you say a troll but to be fair his geography is a tad better than yours.  | |||
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"Unionism that you find so abhorrent stands for countries in tandem working for the greater good....Defending our ideals and way of life, Your small minded ...and rather simplistic views show that you need to think a little more deeply....To stand alone and "Do all right" is that the height of your ambition/ Is that what Nationalism means? the triumph of the system over the people ? Oh and you claim that Irish people are crying out for a vote you a Scot are the most frequent poster on here....your a troll lol He might be as you say a troll but to be fair his geography is a tad better than yours. "Hehehe | |||
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"I would like to know too Milli why would a united Ireland lead to violence ? Both the North and South appear to support it Would you want the UK government to save your wee union and deny the people their right to decide their own future ?" You are telling other people to read history books and you are not even aware of the terrorism of northern Ireland?  | |||
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"I would like to know too Milli why would a united Ireland lead to violence ? Both the North and South appear to support it Would you want the UK government to save your wee union and deny the people their right to decide their own future ? You are telling other people to read history books and you are not even aware of the terrorism of northern Ireland? "You aren't aware of England's terrorism. People in glass houses.... | |||
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"I would like to know too Milli why would a united Ireland lead to violence ? Both the North and South appear to support it Would you want the UK government to save your wee union and deny the people their right to decide their own future ? You are telling other people to read history books and you are not even aware of the terrorism of northern Ireland?
You aren't aware of England's terrorism. People in glass houses...."Yeah, if you say so. Really comparable and relevant to the topic at hand | |||
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"I would like to know too Milli why would a united Ireland lead to violence ? Both the North and South appear to support it Would you want the UK government to save your wee union and deny the people their right to decide their own future ? You are telling other people to read history books and you are not even aware of the terrorism of northern Ireland?
You aren't aware of England's terrorism. People in glass houses....
Yeah, if you say so. Really comparable and relevant to the topic at hand "How is English terrorism in Ireland not relevant? | |||
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"I would like to know too Milli why would a united Ireland lead to violence ? Both the North and South appear to support it Would you want the UK government to save your wee union and deny the people their right to decide their own future ? You are telling other people to read history books and you are not even aware of the terrorism of northern Ireland?
You aren't aware of England's terrorism. People in glass houses....
Yeah, if you say so. Really comparable and relevant to the topic at hand
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"I would like to know too Milli why would a united Ireland lead to violence ? Both the North and South appear to support it Would you want the UK government to save your wee union and deny the people their right to decide their own future ? You are telling other people to read history books and you are not even aware of the terrorism of northern Ireland?
You aren't aware of England's terrorism. People in glass houses....
Yeah, if you say so. Really comparable and relevant to the topic at hand
How is English terrorism in Ireland not relevant?
We are talking about NI terrorism. "What CLCC means it doesnt suit "their" agenda Unionism is heading in a real sick dark path Everyone has to bullied into submission if it outs the UK under threat | |||
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"I would like to know too Milli why would a united Ireland lead to violence ? Both the North and South appear to support it Would you want the UK government to save your wee union and deny the people their right to decide their own future ? You are telling other people to read history books and you are not even aware of the terrorism of northern Ireland?
You aren't aware of England's terrorism. People in glass houses....
Yeah, if you say so. Really comparable and relevant to the topic at hand
How is English terrorism in Ireland not relevant?
We are talking about NI terrorism.
What CLCC means it doesnt suit "their" agenda
Unionism is heading in a real sick dark path
Everyone has to bullied into submission if it outs the UK under threat"My only "agenda" as you put it is not to see OP Banner part 2. | |||
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"I would like to know too Milli why would a united Ireland lead to violence ? Both the North and South appear to support it Would you want the UK government to save your wee union and deny the people their right to decide their own future ? You are telling other people to read history books and you are not even aware of the terrorism of northern Ireland?
You aren't aware of England's terrorism. People in glass houses....
Yeah, if you say so. Really comparable and relevant to the topic at hand
How is English terrorism in Ireland not relevant?
We are talking about NI terrorism. "And there's never been any English terrorism in Northern Ireland? | |||
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"I would like to know too Milli why would a united Ireland lead to violence ? Both the North and South appear to support it Would you want the UK government to save your wee union and deny the people their right to decide their own future ? You are telling other people to read history books and you are not even aware of the terrorism of northern Ireland?
You aren't aware of England's terrorism. People in glass houses....
Yeah, if you say so. Really comparable and relevant to the topic at hand
How is English terrorism in Ireland not relevant?
We are talking about NI terrorism.
What CLCC means it doesnt suit "their" agenda
Unionism is heading in a real sick dark path
Everyone has to bullied into submission if it outs the UK under threat
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"Think about this since the good Friday agreement things have been quite enough in northern Ireland , That's with a slight majority wanting to stay in the UK , If things change and there is a slight majority in favour of a United ireland why should it lead to violence , The IRA ant going to start trouble Unless a few hard line unionist start it ? If they ant happy to go along with the will of the majority of the people , as the IRA have gone along with the will of the people The good Friday agreement provide for the day that a United ireland would happen . " Well of course it would be the unionists starting it rather than the IRA. They would be getting what they have always wanted. As you say, the views are split relatively close to 50/50, that means around half the population are going to be upset whatever happens. Although NI has been "relatively" peaceful since the GFA, it is not politically stable, the power sharing agreement has broken down, I think a reunification would be a step too far at the moment. | |||
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"I would like to know too Milli why would a united Ireland lead to violence ? Both the North and South appear to support it Would you want the UK government to save your wee union and deny the people their right to decide their own future ? You are telling other people to read history books and you are not even aware of the terrorism of northern Ireland?
You aren't aware of England's terrorism. People in glass houses....
Yeah, if you say so. Really comparable and relevant to the topic at hand
How is English terrorism in Ireland not relevant?
We are talking about NI terrorism.
What CLCC means it doesnt suit "their" agenda
Unionism is heading in a real sick dark path
Everyone has to bullied into submission if it outs the UK under threat
My only "agenda" as you put it is not to see OP Banner part 2.
Oh right so actively trying to stop people talking about a united Ireland ?
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"I would like to know too Milli why would a united Ireland lead to violence ? Both the North and South appear to support it Would you want the UK government to save your wee union and deny the people their right to decide their own future ? You are telling other people to read history books and you are not even aware of the terrorism of northern Ireland?
You aren't aware of England's terrorism. People in glass houses....
Yeah, if you say so. Really comparable and relevant to the topic at hand
How is English terrorism in Ireland not relevant?
We are talking about NI terrorism.
And there's never been any English terrorism in Northern Ireland?
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"Think about this since the good Friday agreement things have been quite enough in northern Ireland , That's with a slight majority wanting to stay in the UK , If things change and there is a slight majority in favour of a United ireland why should it lead to violence , The IRA ant going to start trouble Unless a few hard line unionist start it ? If they ant happy to go along with the will of the majority of the people , as the IRA have gone along with the will of the people The good Friday agreement provide for the day that a United ireland would happen . Well of course it would be the unionists starting it rather than the IRA. They would be getting what they have always wanted. As you say, the views are split relatively close to 50/50, that means around half the population are going to be upset whatever happens. Although NI has been "relatively" peaceful since the GFA, it is not politically stable, the power sharing agreement has broken down, I think a reunification would be a step too far at the moment. " Id agree, its probably the most sensible time for reunification with a majority of Northern Ireland wanting to stay in the EU and the obvious benefits that would bring for the island, but theres no way that Unionists will let that happen peacefully. Ideally we'd have the vote when theres a very clear majority in favour of it,its far harder to make the case for unionism if 60% want reunification. | |||
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"Think about this since the good Friday agreement things have been quite enough in northern Ireland , That's with a slight majority wanting to stay in the UK , If things change and there is a slight majority in favour of a United ireland why should it lead to violence , The IRA ant going to start trouble Unless a few hard line unionist start it ? If they ant happy to go along with the will of the majority of the people , as the IRA have gone along with the will of the people The good Friday agreement provide for the day that a United ireland would happen . Well of course it would be the unionists starting it rather than the IRA. They would be getting what they have always wanted. As you say, the views are split relatively close to 50/50, that means around half the population are going to be upset whatever happens. Although NI has been "relatively" peaceful since the GFA, it is not politically stable, the power sharing agreement has broken down, I think a reunification would be a step too far at the moment. " It's not politically stable at the moment cause the DUP refuse to reach any kind of agreement , The reason they don't want power sharing up and running is if it was they would be held to account for going against the will of the people they are ment to represent by backing brexit , They are unionist after all union at any cost , | |||
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"Think about this since the good Friday agreement things have been quite enough in northern Ireland , That's with a slight majority wanting to stay in the UK , If things change and there is a slight majority in favour of a United ireland why should it lead to violence , The IRA ant going to start trouble Unless a few hard line unionist start it ? If they ant happy to go along with the will of the majority of the people , as the IRA have gone along with the will of the people The good Friday agreement provide for the day that a United ireland would happen . Well of course it would be the unionists starting it rather than the IRA. They would be getting what they have always wanted. As you say, the views are split relatively close to 50/50, that means around half the population are going to be upset whatever happens. Although NI has been "relatively" peaceful since the GFA, it is not politically stable, the power sharing agreement has broken down, I think a reunification would be a step too far at the moment. Id agree, its probably the most sensible time for reunification with a majority of Northern Ireland wanting to stay in the EU and the obvious benefits that would bring for the island, but theres no way that Unionists will let that happen peacefully. Ideally we'd have the vote when theres a very clear majority in favour of it,its far harder to make the case for unionism if 60% want reunification." Ideal world an overwhelming majority , | |||
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"Think about this since the good Friday agreement things have been quite enough in northern Ireland , That's with a slight majority wanting to stay in the UK , If things change and there is a slight majority in favour of a United ireland why should it lead to violence , The IRA ant going to start trouble Unless a few hard line unionist start it ? If they ant happy to go along with the will of the majority of the people , as the IRA have gone along with the will of the people The good Friday agreement provide for the day that a United ireland would happen . Well of course it would be the unionists starting it rather than the IRA. They would be getting what they have always wanted. As you say, the views are split relatively close to 50/50, that means around half the population are going to be upset whatever happens. Although NI has been "relatively" peaceful since the GFA, it is not politically stable, the power sharing agreement has broken down, I think a reunification would be a step too far at the moment. It's not politically stable at the moment cause the DUP refuse to reach any kind of agreement , The reason they don't want power sharing up and running is if it was they would be held to account for going against the will of the people they are ment to represent by backing brexit , They are unionist after all union at any cost , " It has little to do with with going against the will of the people. As the situation currently stands , NI is part of the UK which voted by a substantial majority for Brexit. In this case the will of the voters is simply being respected. | |||
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"Kinky your delight in anything you perceive as bad news for the UK is rather distasteful. A united Ireland is not in the interests of anyone that values peace. I would have no idea why you would want to align your views with those of Sinn Fein/ the political wing of the IRA.. i certainly like to choose my friends a little more carefully "Myopic tosh I'm afraid. | |||
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"Unionism that you find so abhorrent stands for countries in tandem working for the greater good....Defending our ideals and way of life, Your small minded ...and rather simplistic views show that you need to think a little more deeply....To stand alone and "Do all right" is that the height of your ambition/ Is that what Nationalism means? the triumph of the system over the people ? Oh and you claim that Irish people are crying out for a vote you a Scot are the most frequent poster on here....your a troll lol" What a very weird definition of unionism you've come up with. The history of unionism in NI would suggest that youre delusional at best.... | |||
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"I would like to know too Milli why would a united Ireland lead to violence ? Both the North and South appear to support it Would you want the UK government to save your wee union and deny the people their right to decide their own future ? You are telling other people to read history books and you are not even aware of the terrorism of northern Ireland?
You aren't aware of England's terrorism. People in glass houses....
Yeah, if you say so. Really comparable and relevant to the topic at hand
How is English terrorism in Ireland not relevant?
We are talking about NI terrorism.
And there's never been any English terrorism in Northern Ireland?
Notice how " they" ( CLCC ) dont wanna talk about that but more than happy to go into NI it doesnt fit their agenda
"Believe me there was plenty of acts of terrorism committed by certain British army units and there was all sorts of state sponsored terrorism and collusion with unionist paramilitary groups. This is no secret it's just not as widely reported in Britain. | |||
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"Think about this since the good Friday agreement things have been quite enough in northern Ireland , That's with a slight majority wanting to stay in the UK , If things change and there is a slight majority in favour of a United ireland why should it lead to violence , The IRA ant going to start trouble Unless a few hard line unionist start it ? If they ant happy to go along with the will of the majority of the people , as the IRA have gone along with the will of the people The good Friday agreement provide for the day that a United ireland would happen . Well of course it would be the unionists starting it rather than the IRA. They would be getting what they have always wanted. As you say, the views are split relatively close to 50/50, that means around half the population are going to be upset whatever happens. Although NI has been "relatively" peaceful since the GFA, it is not politically stable, the power sharing agreement has broken down, I think a reunification would be a step too far at the moment. It's not politically stable at the moment cause the DUP refuse to reach any kind of agreement , The reason they don't want power sharing up and running is if it was they would be held to account for going against the will of the people they are ment to represent by backing brexit , They are unionist after all union at any cost , It has little to do with with going against the will of the people. As the situation currently stands , NI is part of the UK which voted by a substantial majority for Brexit. In this case the will of the voters is simply being respected. " Unionism trying to use submission using that crap line the UK voted like somehow trying to dismiss that N Ireland and Scotland voted against brexit and that should be respected are unionists that afraid if democracy and allowing those that rejected brexit to decide for themselves what their future will be The British empire died long ago people | |||
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"Think about this since the good Friday agreement things have been quite enough in northern Ireland , That's with a slight majority wanting to stay in the UK , If things change and there is a slight majority in favour of a United ireland why should it lead to violence , The IRA ant going to start trouble Unless a few hard line unionist start it ? If they ant happy to go along with the will of the majority of the people , as the IRA have gone along with the will of the people The good Friday agreement provide for the day that a United ireland would happen . Well of course it would be the unionists starting it rather than the IRA. They would be getting what they have always wanted. As you say, the views are split relatively close to 50/50, that means around half the population are going to be upset whatever happens. Although NI has been "relatively" peaceful since the GFA, it is not politically stable, the power sharing agreement has broken down, I think a reunification would be a step too far at the moment. It's not politically stable at the moment cause the DUP refuse to reach any kind of agreement , The reason they don't want power sharing up and running is if it was they would be held to account for going against the will of the people they are ment to represent by backing brexit , They are unionist after all union at any cost , It has little to do with with going against the will of the people. As the situation currently stands , NI is part of the UK which voted by a substantial majority for Brexit. In this case the will of the voters is simply being respected. " But if the DUP was not backing the government what would happen brexit ?? So yes the DUP are fucking the people of northern Ireland the people of northern Ireland voted to remain in the eu , the DUP carry the balance of power if they withdraw there support for may's government it all comes down , | |||
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"Now Excitement needed let me guess your leanings?.....It is a recipe for disaster and we all know it....If you feel so hard done by.......Try emigrate to the South?....You will be at peace there I am from the south ,
The clock is ticking ,
A NATION ONCE AGAIN "'It's a beautiful place, ruined only by eejits who think by the rulings of their Churches not by rationale logic....to think Nanna was birn in a Country that became divide by rebellion, ruined by civil war and tgen left divided even more so by complete morons hidung as politicians'....opening to a letter i penned home many years ago....never in a thousand years will there be peace in Oiland! | |||
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"I would like to know too Milli why would a united Ireland lead to violence ? Both the North and South appear to support it Would you want the UK government to save your wee union and deny the people their right to decide their own future ? You are telling other people to read history books and you are not even aware of the terrorism of northern Ireland?
You aren't aware of England's terrorism. People in glass houses....
Yeah, if you say so. Really comparable and relevant to the topic at hand
How is English terrorism in Ireland not relevant?
We are talking about NI terrorism.
And there's never been any English terrorism in Northern Ireland?
Notice how " they" ( CLCC ) dont wanna talk about that but more than happy to go into NI it doesnt fit their agenda
Believe me there was plenty of acts of terrorism committed by certain British army units and there was all sorts of state sponsored terrorism and collusion with unionist paramilitary groups. This is no secret it's just not as widely reported in Britain. "I would disagree with your comment as the alledged acts of 'terrorism' you refer to would still be illegal so merely 'criminal' ? It took a long time to get to the bottom of some of the most abhorrent crimes. Strangely those convicted of criminal acts whilst serving in UK Forces were not covered under GFA so served full terms. Or up to licensed parole ..unlike those who were members of Political Parties acting with political intent. Every barrel has bad apples ...height of 'the troubles 4m in N Ireland ...few hundred hard core 'terrorists'...on both sudes of the then divided province. A generation has grown almost just almost experiencing peace. but every time its quiet some THUG decides to play the 'cause' tune whether they wave a red palm or a tricolour. The politics of Ireland are indeed complicated. The obvious flaws in most otherwise rational arguments are due to people applying spin..Take Cromwell...he killed (well his Army did) many more English than they did 'Irish' the man was a religious zealot masked by a persona of fair play old chap..was it not some bloke called Marx who suggested Cromwell was the first man with social conscience? Both my Nanna's lost family in Dublin 1916...on either side of the barricades..the wee girl from oiland was mentally religious ..bitter old bitch...the wee las from lancashire was a lovely lady who had a simple way of looming at life..treat everyone with respect! ...... now can everyone get back to whips n chains instead of ballot box and armalite ( you do know MoN and GA both paid agents of the state MoN paid by UK and Irish Govt...GA a man with no moral fibre allowed murders he could have prevented had he not jad his own neck to ptotect..so ironic that PIRA hose to bomb the man who saved GA TWICE! | |||
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"Think about this since the good Friday agreement things have been quite enough in northern Ireland , That's with a slight majority wanting to stay in the UK , If things change and there is a slight majority in favour of a United ireland why should it lead to violence , The IRA ant going to start trouble Unless a few hard line unionist start it ? If they ant happy to go along with the will of the majority of the people , as the IRA have gone along with the will of the people The good Friday agreement provide for the day that a United ireland would happen . Well of course it would be the unionists starting it rather than the IRA. They would be getting what they have always wanted. As you say, the views are split relatively close to 50/50, that means around half the population are going to be upset whatever happens. Although NI has been "relatively" peaceful since the GFA, it is not politically stable, the power sharing agreement has broken down, I think a reunification would be a step too far at the moment. It's not politically stable at the moment cause the DUP refuse to reach any kind of agreement , The reason they don't want power sharing up and running is if it was they would be held to account for going against the will of the people they are ment to represent by backing brexit , They are unionist after all union at any cost , It has little to do with with going against the will of the people. As the situation currently stands , NI is part of the UK which voted by a substantial majority for Brexit. In this case the will of the voters is simply being respected. " no it didn't, it was a majority of less than 2%, that's the problem. | |||
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"It's time to fold up the butchers apron and put it away , The union is dead in the water , Ireland is going to unite , Probably scotland Will will leave the union too it ant far away from happening either , " Although I have zero proof of this, I can’t help but think that the trouble makers on both sides are probably of an older generation. I think that younger people who have been brought up through the civility of the current peaceful era and openness of the EU are probably far less inclined to support anything that creates division. The reuniting of the island of Ireland seems inevitable to me - it is just a matter of natural demographics overwhelming crusty, ancient attitudes. | |||
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"We have the opposite of a famine right now...any ramification have gone full circle by now. While bad people will always exist and do bad things...you have the draw a line in the sand somewhere and move on. Or should I hate my neighbours across the pond for what they had no involvement in? What are you talking about? You clearly didn't read my comment. I've made it pretty clear I don't hate the British by any stretch due to the events of the past and I can assure you that the ramifications have not gone "full circle" for a lot of people and in some ways never will. You seem to think the only grounds for having an opinion on the past are false ones and you know it all so there's no point engaging with you! You're either from an Anglo Irish family, a very privileged family, an immigrant family or an ignorant family to have the opinion you do. There has been years of horrific and barbaric violence at the hands of both sides and while it's in the past, it is not something you should joke about unless it's with a friend under a certain dynamic! " Pass the violin. I'm from a regular family and you are probably from a biased one. Not one of my peers have in anyway been affected in their modern lives by a famine or the events of 100 years ago. All our grandparents had hard lives and we all have very good lives. An almost universal experience as nation's become developed. Tell us your experience. | |||
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"It's time to fold up the butchers apron and put it away , The union is dead in the water , Ireland is going to unite. Although I have zero proof of this, I can’t help but think that the trouble makers on both sides are probably of an older generation. I think that younger people who have been brought up through the civility of the current peaceful era and openness of the EU are probably far less inclined to support anything that creates division. The reuniting of the island of Ireland seems inevitable to me - it is just a matter of natural demographics overwhelming crusty, ancient attitudes." You haven't been through Northern Ireland in the beginning of July, then? It's a sea of blue, with two green bits. It's nothing to do with politics- it's everything to do with religion and the festering wounds. On both sides. | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ?" Too soon, and people will want to know what the state of Brexit is. It completely changes what the result would be if the UK stays in some sort of customs union vs whatepuld happen in a hard brexit. And a divided result of a few percent isnt going to be sufficient for a peaceful transfer and maintaining peace there is the most important thing. | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ?" Because of the potential bloodshed? | |||
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"We have the opposite of a famine right now...any ramification have gone full circle by now. While bad people will always exist and do bad things...you have the draw a line in the sand somewhere and move on. Or should I hate my neighbours across the pond for what they had no involvement in? What are you talking about? You clearly didn't read my comment. I've made it pretty clear I don't hate the British by any stretch due to the events of the past and I can assure you that the ramifications have not gone "full circle" for a lot of people and in some ways never will. You seem to think the only grounds for having an opinion on the past are false ones and you know it all so there's no point engaging with you! You're either from an Anglo Irish family, a very privileged family, an immigrant family or an ignorant family to have the opinion you do. There has been years of horrific and barbaric violence at the hands of both sides and while it's in the past, it is not something you should joke about unless it's with a friend under a certain dynamic! Pass the violin. I'm from a regular family and you are probably from a biased one. Not one of my peers have in anyway been affected in their modern lives by a famine or the events of 100 years ago. All our grandparents had hard lives and we all have very good lives. An almost universal experience as nation's become developed. Tell us your experience. " I don't need to go into detail on it as I don't want to identify myself! I could talk about the 2 uncles that had to flee to America and divide the family, or an aunt from the same house that was disabled her whole life after being hit with a British bullet as a child when they came looking. she died in 2003. There's plenty more but I'm not going on all day! unfortunately you and your peers are just ignorant and overly privileged if you think none of you were affected by the events of 100 years ago. You're clearly about as Irish as a pizza! | |||
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"It's time to fold up the butchers apron and put it away , The union is dead in the water , Ireland is going to unite. Although I have zero proof of this, I can’t help but think that the trouble makers on both sides are probably of an older generation. I think that younger people who have been brought up through the civility of the current peaceful era and openness of the EU are probably far less inclined to support anything that creates division. The reuniting of the island of Ireland seems inevitable to me - it is just a matter of natural demographics overwhelming crusty, ancient attitudes. You haven't been through Northern Ireland in the beginning of July, then? It's a sea of blue, with two green bits. It's nothing to do with politics- it's everything to do with religion and the festering wounds. On both sides." . Oliver Cromwell would soon whip them into shape. | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed? "Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ? I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes | |||
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"What a wonderful imagination you have. " Then again "they" might be meaning that the no surrender loyist mob will cause bloodshed at the thought of the UK waving cheerio | |||
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"What a wonderful imagination you have. Then again "they" might be meaning that the no surrender loyist mob will cause bloodshed at the thought of the UK waving cheerio" That's the only way there would be violence ! Be we could bring back internment That would sort the problem | |||
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"What a wonderful imagination you have. Then again "they" might be meaning that the no surrender loyist mob will cause bloodshed at the thought of the UK waving cheerio" That would be the issue, yes. It was loyalists who started the bloodshed in the first place and that was over catholics getting basic human rights. They'll certainly kick off again unless (and maybe even if) theres an overwhelming majority in favour of reunification. | |||
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"Anyone who underestimates the capability for violence in Ireland is very sadly deluded...Who would start it ?...Take your pick..Although it is good to see that Kinky has a "friend" to help do down all that us Scots voted to keep intact only 4 years ago.....Sadly your the classic case of a malcontent doomed to howl at the moon ,while others lead there lives in a relative state of goodwill to all brother nations "Its like your actively trying to say if the people in Ireland want a referendum to have United Ireland pro hardcore loyalist no surrender mob will seek to cause violence as a way to stop the UK from breaking apart remember 19th Sept 2014 in Glasgow there is the dark unionism am talking about and crazy thing is unionism won in 2014 and still tried to cause violence that night spitting and kicking punching and ripping Scottish flags out of YES supporters The Rep of Ireland proved the can have a referendum without bloodshed remeber the referendum on Gay rights? | |||
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"The very fact that the republic had to have a referendum to recognise gay rights shows what kind of backward country that you want others to join... I wonder do you never see all the Irish working over in the UK and ask why are they here ? "Answer is because people have free movement something that your close minded UK want to end So Milli are you saying if Scotland or Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want to have a referendum on Scottish independence and a United Ireland the no surrender ultra loyalist unionist mob will actively be seeking to cause violence to try and stop the UK breaking apart ? | |||
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"I wonder why you never say that the "Yes" movement in Scotland were a "rent a mob" Hassling those who would not take there badges in Glasgow...Slandering those who did not share there views as "Quislings" it is all nothing compared to the kneecapping and beatings carried out by the scum who seek to sell the "United Ireland" message though... "Milli are you saying if Scotland or Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want to have a referendum on Scottish independence and a United Ireland the no surrender ultra loyalist unionist mob will actively be seeking to cause violence to try and stop the UK breaking apart ? | |||
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"I wonder why you never say that the "Yes" movement in Scotland were a "rent a mob" Hassling those who would not take there badges in Glasgow...Slandering those who did not share there views as "Quislings" it is all nothing compared to the kneecapping and beatings carried out by the scum who seek to sell the "United Ireland" message though... "Scum ?? Because we want a United ireland ?? Watch your language , | |||
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"I wonder why you never say that the "Yes" movement in Scotland were a "rent a mob" Hassling those who would not take there badges in Glasgow...Slandering those who did not share there views as "Quislings" it is all nothing compared to the kneecapping and beatings carried out by the scum who seek to sell the "United Ireland" message though...
Scum ?? Because we want a United ireland ??
Watch your language , "I told you unionism is going down a deep dark path with the hardcore ultra no surrender mob to keep their UK union together They are panicing that their UK is again under threat of breaking apart they dont want democracy as they know for a fact that their case for the UK is build on lies and fear They want dictatorship which is ironic since it was the UK fighting against Nazi Germany | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes "By the people of NI. | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI. "You know how bigoted you sound ? Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both | |||
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"It's time to fold up the butchers apron and put it away , The union is dead in the water , Ireland is going to unite. Although I have zero proof of this, I can’t help but think that the trouble makers on both sides are probably of an older generation. I think that younger people who have been brought up through the civility of the current peaceful era and openness of the EU are probably far less inclined to support anything that creates division. The reuniting of the island of Ireland seems inevitable to me - it is just a matter of natural demographics overwhelming crusty, ancient attitudes. You haven't been through Northern Ireland in the beginning of July, then? It's a sea of blue, with two green bits. It's nothing to do with politics- it's everything to do with religion and the festering wounds. On both sides. . Oliver Cromwell would soon whip them into shape. "You're a disgrace to your nation and the uniform you wore with the two comments you've made on this thread. I sincerely hope the British army has stopped employing scruffy lowlife bigots! | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
"How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue? | |||
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"It's time to fold up the butchers apron and put it away , The union is dead in the water , Ireland is going to unite. Although I have zero proof of this, I can’t help but think that the trouble makers on both sides are probably of an older generation. I think that younger people who have been brought up through the civility of the current peaceful era and openness of the EU are probably far less inclined to support anything that creates division. The reuniting of the island of Ireland seems inevitable to me - it is just a matter of natural demographics overwhelming crusty, ancient attitudes. You haven't been through Northern Ireland in the beginning of July, then? It's a sea of blue, with two green bits. It's nothing to do with politics- it's everything to do with religion and the festering wounds. On both sides. . Oliver Cromwell would soon whip them into shape.
You're a disgrace to your nation and the uniform you wore with the two comments you've made on this thread.
I sincerely hope the British army has stopped employing scruffy lowlife bigots!"As far as I am aware, Rare Cask has never served. | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue? "Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ?? We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote , There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting | |||
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"It's time to fold up the butchers apron and put it away , The union is dead in the water , Ireland is going to unite. Although I have zero proof of this, I can’t help but think that the trouble makers on both sides are probably of an older generation. I think that younger people who have been brought up through the civility of the current peaceful era and openness of the EU are probably far less inclined to support anything that creates division. The reuniting of the island of Ireland seems inevitable to me - it is just a matter of natural demographics overwhelming crusty, ancient attitudes. You haven't been through Northern Ireland in the beginning of July, then? It's a sea of blue, with two green bits. It's nothing to do with politics- it's everything to do with religion and the festering wounds. On both sides. . Oliver Cromwell would soon whip them into shape.
You're a disgrace to your nation and the uniform you wore with the two comments you've made on this thread.
I sincerely hope the British army has stopped employing scruffy lowlife bigots!
As far as I am aware, Rare Cask has never served."Ah, so he's just a Walter Mitty?? He has certainly suggested many times that he served and was "in combat" - why all the interest and supposed knowledge in firearm threads so? | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue?
Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ??
We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote ,
There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting "Is cause their UK is under threat of breaking apart and they dont like it so trying to stoke up violence of peaceful people wanting to vote | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue?
Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ??
We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote ,
There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting "I'm not insisting that there has to be, I'm suggesting that it's a distinct possibility. | |||
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"It's time to fold up the butchers apron and put it away , The union is dead in the water , Ireland is going to unite. Although I have zero proof of this, I can’t help but think that the trouble makers on both sides are probably of an older generation. I think that younger people who have been brought up through the civility of the current peaceful era and openness of the EU are probably far less inclined to support anything that creates division. The reuniting of the island of Ireland seems inevitable to me - it is just a matter of natural demographics overwhelming crusty, ancient attitudes. You haven't been through Northern Ireland in the beginning of July, then? It's a sea of blue, with two green bits. It's nothing to do with politics- it's everything to do with religion and the festering wounds. On both sides. . Oliver Cromwell would soon whip them into shape.
You're a disgrace to your nation and the uniform you wore with the two comments you've made on this thread.
I sincerely hope the British army has stopped employing scruffy lowlife bigots!
As far as I am aware, Rare Cask has never served.
Ah, so he's just a Walter Mitty?? He has certainly suggested many times that he served and was "in combat" - why all the interest and supposed knowledge in firearm threads so?"I could be wrong, I have never seen him mention combat, but I might have missed it. | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue?
Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ??
We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote ,
There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting
Is cause their UK is under threat of breaking apart and they dont like it so trying to stoke up violence of peaceful people wanting to vote
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue?
Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ??
We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote ,
There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting
Is cause their UK is under threat of breaking apart and they dont like it so trying to stoke up violence of peaceful people wanting to vote
How have I ever tried to stoke up violence? You on the other hand do. You want this to happen regardless of if it lead to violence. Just like you did in Spain. "So then because there is a possibility of violence , we don't allow for a democratic vote ? | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue?
Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ??
We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote ,
There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting
Is cause their UK is under threat of breaking apart and they dont like it so trying to stoke up violence of peaceful people wanting to vote
How have I ever tried to stoke up violence? You on the other hand do. You want this to happen regardless of if it lead to violence. Just like you did in Spain. "Its upto the people if they want a referendum on a united Ireland not to be dictated too we Are not in Nazi Germany CLCC Dont blame others for standing up to bullies You do understand unionists can still state their case in a referendum of why staying in the UK is the best option and yet the people decide whats best for them You lot want to dictate the terms no fucking wonder we dont want this pish corrupt UK union when you have people trying bullying tactics to keep the UK together | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue?
Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ??
We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote ,
There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting
Is cause their UK is under threat of breaking apart and they dont like it so trying to stoke up violence of peaceful people wanting to vote
How have I ever tried to stoke up violence? You on the other hand do. You want this to happen regardless of if it lead to violence. Just like you did in Spain.
So then because there is a possibility of violence , we don't allow for a democratic vote ?"Kind of, there wasn't a vote last year, or 5 yrs ago, or 10, or 20, why not? | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue?
Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ??
We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote ,
There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting
Is cause their UK is under threat of breaking apart and they dont like it so trying to stoke up violence of peaceful people wanting to vote
How have I ever tried to stoke up violence? You on the other hand do. You want this to happen regardless of if it lead to violence. Just like you did in Spain.
Its upto the people if they want a referendum on a united Ireland not to be dictated too we Are not in Nazi Germany CLCC
Dont blame others for standing up to bullies
You do understand unionists can still state their case in a referendum of why staying in the UK is the best option and yet the people decide whats best for them
You lot want to dictate the terms no fucking wonder we dont want this pish corrupt UK union when you have people trying bullying tactics to keep the UK together"The last referendum confirmed that's exactly what they wanted | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue?
Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ??
We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote ,
There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting
Is cause their UK is under threat of breaking apart and they dont like it so trying to stoke up violence of peaceful people wanting to vote
How have I ever tried to stoke up violence? You on the other hand do. You want this to happen regardless of if it lead to violence. Just like you did in Spain.
Its upto the people if they want a referendum on a united Ireland not to be dictated too we Are not in Nazi Germany CLCC
Dont blame others for standing up to bullies
You do understand unionists can still state their case in a referendum of why staying in the UK is the best option and yet the people decide whats best for them
You lot want to dictate the terms no fucking wonder we dont want this pish corrupt UK union when you have people trying bullying tactics to keep the UK together
The last referendum confirmed that's exactly what they wanted "Offt fell into this one CLCC So you are against brexit so did Northern Ireland and Scotland vote to remain in the EU? Watch this you will be able to tell how much CLCC the so called remain voter dont value Scotlands and Northern Ireland majority remain votes you will do brexit voters line claiming it was only a UK vote and that must be respected You can clearly tell CLCC " they" are against Scotland Wales and NI havibg a say and it must be England only that dictate the terms in the | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue?
Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ??
We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote ,
There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting
Is cause their UK is under threat of breaking apart and they dont like it so trying to stoke up violence of peaceful people wanting to vote
How have I ever tried to stoke up violence? You on the other hand do. You want this to happen regardless of if it lead to violence. Just like you did in Spain.
Its upto the people if they want a referendum on a united Ireland not to be dictated too we Are not in Nazi Germany CLCC
Dont blame others for standing up to bullies
You do understand unionists can still state their case in a referendum of why staying in the UK is the best option and yet the people decide whats best for them
You lot want to dictate the terms no fucking wonder we dont want this pish corrupt UK union when you have people trying bullying tactics to keep the UK together
The last referendum confirmed that's exactly what they wanted
Offt fell into this one CLCC
So you are against brexit so did Northern Ireland and Scotland vote to remain in the EU?
Watch this you will be able to tell how much CLCC the so called remain voter dont value Scotlands and Northern Ireland majority remain votes you will do brexit voters line claiming it was only a UK vote and that must be respected
You can clearly tell CLCC " they" are against Scotland Wales and NI havibg a say and it must be England only that dictate the terms in the"Erm, we were talking about the last independence referendum.
You sent people don't like the union, and yet they voted to keep it. They like the Union more than they like the idea of independence. | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue?
Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ??
We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote ,
There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting
Is cause their UK is under threat of breaking apart and they dont like it so trying to stoke up violence of peaceful people wanting to vote
How have I ever tried to stoke up violence? You on the other hand do. You want this to happen regardless of if it lead to violence. Just like you did in Spain.
So then because there is a possibility of violence , we don't allow for a democratic vote ?
Kind of, there wasn't a vote last year, or 5 yrs ago, or 10, or 20, why not? "Because no one asked for one , Now one of the power sharing party's in northern Ireland is looking for it , they are a democratically elected group so why not , | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue?
Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ??
We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote ,
There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting
Is cause their UK is under threat of breaking apart and they dont like it so trying to stoke up violence of peaceful people wanting to vote
How have I ever tried to stoke up violence? You on the other hand do. You want this to happen regardless of if it lead to violence. Just like you did in Spain.
Its upto the people if they want a referendum on a united Ireland not to be dictated too we Are not in Nazi Germany CLCC
Dont blame others for standing up to bullies
You do understand unionists can still state their case in a referendum of why staying in the UK is the best option and yet the people decide whats best for them
You lot want to dictate the terms no fucking wonder we dont want this pish corrupt UK union when you have people trying bullying tactics to keep the UK together
The last referendum confirmed that's exactly what they wanted
Offt fell into this one CLCC
So you are against brexit so did Northern Ireland and Scotland vote to remain in the EU?
Watch this you will be able to tell how much CLCC the so called remain voter dont value Scotlands and Northern Ireland majority remain votes you will do brexit voters line claiming it was only a UK vote and that must be respected
You can clearly tell CLCC " they" are against Scotland Wales and NI havibg a say and it must be England only that dictate the terms in the
Erm, we were talking about the last independence referendum.
You sent people don't like the union, and yet they voted to keep it. They like the Union more than they like the idea of independence. "Things can change in a democracy unless CLCC you dont believe the UK is a democracy lol you think you can dictate the terms too afraid to let the people decide their own future | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue?
Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ??
We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote ,
There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting
Is cause their UK is under threat of breaking apart and they dont like it so trying to stoke up violence of peaceful people wanting to vote
How have I ever tried to stoke up violence? You on the other hand do. You want this to happen regardless of if it lead to violence. Just like you did in Spain.
Its upto the people if they want a referendum on a united Ireland not to be dictated too we Are not in Nazi Germany CLCC
Dont blame others for standing up to bullies
You do understand unionists can still state their case in a referendum of why staying in the UK is the best option and yet the people decide whats best for them
You lot want to dictate the terms no fucking wonder we dont want this pish corrupt UK union when you have people trying bullying tactics to keep the UK together
The last referendum confirmed that's exactly what they wanted
Offt fell into this one CLCC
So you are against brexit so did Northern Ireland and Scotland vote to remain in the EU?
Watch this you will be able to tell how much CLCC the so called remain voter dont value Scotlands and Northern Ireland majority remain votes you will do brexit voters line claiming it was only a UK vote and that must be respected
You can clearly tell CLCC " they" are against Scotland Wales and NI havibg a say and it must be England only that dictate the terms in the
Erm, we were talking about the last independence referendum.
You sent people don't like the union, and yet they voted to keep it. They like the Union more than they like the idea of independence.
Things can change in a democracy unless CLCC you dont believe the UK is a democracy lol you think you can dictate the terms too afraid to let the people decide their own future
"I believe that the UK is a democracy, unlike you, as you believe that MSPs are unelected! | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue?
Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ??
We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote ,
There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting
Is cause their UK is under threat of breaking apart and they dont like it so trying to stoke up violence of peaceful people wanting to vote
How have I ever tried to stoke up violence? You on the other hand do. You want this to happen regardless of if it lead to violence. Just like you did in Spain.
So then because there is a possibility of violence , we don't allow for a democratic vote ?
Kind of, there wasn't a vote last year, or 5 yrs ago, or 10, or 20, why not?
Because no one asked for one ,
Now one of the power sharing party's in northern Ireland is looking for it , they are a democratically elected group so why not , "Who do you think is going to vote for it in parliament? The Tories? The DUP? | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue?
Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ??
We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote ,
There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting
Is cause their UK is under threat of breaking apart and they dont like it so trying to stoke up violence of peaceful people wanting to vote
How have I ever tried to stoke up violence? You on the other hand do. You want this to happen regardless of if it lead to violence. Just like you did in Spain.
Its upto the people if they want a referendum on a united Ireland not to be dictated too we Are not in Nazi Germany CLCC
Dont blame others for standing up to bullies
You do understand unionists can still state their case in a referendum of why staying in the UK is the best option and yet the people decide whats best for them
You lot want to dictate the terms no fucking wonder we dont want this pish corrupt UK union when you have people trying bullying tactics to keep the UK together
The last referendum confirmed that's exactly what they wanted
Offt fell into this one CLCC
So you are against brexit so did Northern Ireland and Scotland vote to remain in the EU?
Watch this you will be able to tell how much CLCC the so called remain voter dont value Scotlands and Northern Ireland majority remain votes you will do brexit voters line claiming it was only a UK vote and that must be respected
You can clearly tell CLCC " they" are against Scotland Wales and NI havibg a say and it must be England only that dictate the terms in the
Erm, we were talking about the last independence referendum.
You sent people don't like the union, and yet they voted to keep it. They like the Union more than they like the idea of independence.
Things can change in a democracy unless CLCC you dont believe the UK is a democracy lol you think you can dictate the terms too afraid to let the people decide their own future
I believe that the UK is a democracy, unlike you, as you believe that MSPs are unelected! "Ok so you believe the UK is a democracy so would you like to see a Scottish independence referendum and a referendum on a united Ireland blocked ? Btw just remember CLCC you believe England should have the biggest say in what happens in the UK bullying tactics | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue?
Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ??
We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote ,
There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting
Is cause their UK is under threat of breaking apart and they dont like it so trying to stoke up violence of peaceful people wanting to vote
How have I ever tried to stoke up violence? You on the other hand do. You want this to happen regardless of if it lead to violence. Just like you did in Spain.
So then because there is a possibility of violence , we don't allow for a democratic vote ?
Kind of, there wasn't a vote last year, or 5 yrs ago, or 10, or 20, why not?
Because no one asked for one ,
Now one of the power sharing party's in northern Ireland is looking for it , they are a democratically elected group so why not ,
Who do you think is going to vote for it in parliament? The Tories? The DUP? "The UK government has already agreed to it every one that signed up to the good Friday agreement It's part of that agreement that there is provision made for referendum on unification | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue?
Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ??
We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote ,
There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting
Is cause their UK is under threat of breaking apart and they dont like it so trying to stoke up violence of peaceful people wanting to vote
How have I ever tried to stoke up violence? You on the other hand do. You want this to happen regardless of if it lead to violence. Just like you did in Spain.
Its upto the people if they want a referendum on a united Ireland not to be dictated too we Are not in Nazi Germany CLCC
Dont blame others for standing up to bullies
You do understand unionists can still state their case in a referendum of why staying in the UK is the best option and yet the people decide whats best for them
You lot want to dictate the terms no fucking wonder we dont want this pish corrupt UK union when you have people trying bullying tactics to keep the UK together
The last referendum confirmed that's exactly what they wanted
Offt fell into this one CLCC
So you are against brexit so did Northern Ireland and Scotland vote to remain in the EU?
Watch this you will be able to tell how much CLCC the so called remain voter dont value Scotlands and Northern Ireland majority remain votes you will do brexit voters line claiming it was only a UK vote and that must be respected
You can clearly tell CLCC " they" are against Scotland Wales and NI havibg a say and it must be England only that dictate the terms in the
Erm, we were talking about the last independence referendum.
You sent people don't like the union, and yet they voted to keep it. They like the Union more than they like the idea of independence.
Things can change in a democracy unless CLCC you dont believe the UK is a democracy lol you think you can dictate the terms too afraid to let the people decide their own future
I believe that the UK is a democracy, unlike you, as you believe that MSPs are unelected!
Ok so you believe the UK is a democracy so would you like to see a Scottish independence referendum and a referendum on a united Ireland blocked ?
Btw just remember CLCC you believe England should have the biggest say in what happens in the UK bullying tactics "England has the biggest number of MPs because it has the biggest population. Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch get 1 MSP, and Glasgow get 9 MSPs (FPTP), is it fair that Glasgow gets to bully the fine people of Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch? | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue?
Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ??
We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote ,
There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting
Is cause their UK is under threat of breaking apart and they dont like it so trying to stoke up violence of peaceful people wanting to vote
How have I ever tried to stoke up violence? You on the other hand do. You want this to happen regardless of if it lead to violence. Just like you did in Spain.
So then because there is a possibility of violence , we don't allow for a democratic vote ?
Kind of, there wasn't a vote last year, or 5 yrs ago, or 10, or 20, why not?
Because no one asked for one ,
Now one of the power sharing party's in northern Ireland is looking for it , they are a democratically elected group so why not ,
Who do you think is going to vote for it in parliament? The Tories? The DUP?
The UK government has already agreed to it every one that signed up to the good Friday agreement
It's part of that agreement that there is provision made for referendum on unification "So you think that May and Foster would be really happy about an independence referendum, let's say next year? | |||
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"Is that not shock ( CLCC) " they" believe England should dictate and rule the UK because of Population Bullying and submission tactics tou should be ashamed of yourselves CLCC Breaking news CLCC we in Scotland Wales and NI do not want or live under English rule All your doing is proving the UK is not a union of equals and a total dictatorship" I think you will find that most people in Scotland , NI and Wales are happy with the current situation. Independence was firmly rejected by the Stottish electorate and the residents of NI recognise that it would be impossible for NI to be financially independent and as such wish to remain part of the UK. | |||
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"Is that not shock ( CLCC) " they" believe England should dictate and rule the UK because of Population Bullying and submission tactics tou should be ashamed of yourselves CLCC Breaking news CLCC we in Scotland Wales and NI do not want or live under English rule All your doing is proving the UK is not a union of equals and a total dictatorship I think you will find that most people in Scotland , NI and Wales are happy with the current situation. Independence was firmly rejected by the Stottish electorate and the residents of NI recognise that it would be impossible for NI to be financially independent and as such wish to remain part of the UK. "
This thread isn't even about NI being independent, it's about NI joining Eire. | |||
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"Is that not shock ( CLCC) " they" believe England should dictate and rule the UK because of Population Bullying and submission tactics tou should be ashamed of yourselves CLCC Breaking news CLCC we in Scotland Wales and NI do not want or live under English rule All your doing is proving the UK is not a union of equals and a total dictatorship I think you will find that most people in Scotland , NI and Wales are happy with the current situation. Independence was firmly rejected by the Stottish electorate and the residents of NI recognise that it would be impossible for NI to be financially independent and as such wish to remain part of the UK. " Yeah right so why you lot afraid to allow a referendum then ? Things change in a democracy didnt you know that ? Unionism is a dark nasty place dictating terms when did the UK become nazi Germany | |||
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"Why not have a referendum on independence for Norther Ireland ? Because of the potential bloodshed?
Bloodshed by who ? If the people in Northern Ireland and the Rep of Ireland want an independence referendum what right does England have to tell them no ? Scotland you know will support it if that what the people on the Island of Ireland want
England gonna send in the police to beat the shit of voters ?
I told you unionism is going down a deep nasty path to try and keep the UK together against people wishes
By the people of NI.
You know how bigoted you sound ?
Remember where you are ? A swinging site where i guess you want people to meet you both
How bigoted I sound? are you completely ignorant of this history of violence in NI around this exact issue?
Why are you so insistent that there has to be violence ??
We ant saying the south is sending in troops to take the north back by force , it's a vote ,
There is no need for bloodshed unless someone gets a paper cut while voting
Is cause their UK is under threat of breaking apart and they dont like it so trying to stoke up violence of peaceful people wanting to vote
How have I ever tried to stoke up violence? You on the other hand do. You want this to happen regardless of if it lead to violence. Just like you did in Spain.
So then because there is a possibility of violence , we don't allow for a democratic vote ?
Kind of, there wasn't a vote last year, or 5 yrs ago, or 10, or 20, why not?
Because no one asked for one ,
Now one of the power sharing party's in northern Ireland is looking for it , they are a democratically elected group so why not ,
Who do you think is going to vote for it in parliament? The Tories? The DUP?
The UK government has already agreed to it every one that signed up to the good Friday agreement
It's part of that agreement that there is provision made for referendum on unification
So you think that May and Foster would be really happy about an independence referendum, let's say next year? "Course they won't , but I don't expect it to happen next year it will be post brexit , When northern Ireland will get automatic access back into eu | |||
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