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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago
Grantham |
News being leaked that the contract to produce the UK passport from 2020, reportedly reverting to its old dark blue colour, is to be awarded to Franco-Dutch firm Gemalto.
Their bid was reportedly to be £50 million less than the UK bid. |
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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago
Burton-on-Trent |
"News being leaked that the contract to produce the UK passport from 2020, reportedly reverting to its old dark blue colour, is to be awarded to Franco-Dutch firm Gemalto.
Their bid was reportedly to be £50 million less than the UK bid."
This is soooo funny. I can't wait to see the mail and express headlines. It's bound to be a disgrace of some sort  |
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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Sounds about right...
After all we have a Tory government..."
You do know that Ministers don't get involved until the signing off procedure.
These were blind bids overseen by the impartial civil service. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"News being leaked that the contract to produce the UK passport from 2020, reportedly reverting to its old dark blue colour, is to be awarded to Franco-Dutch firm Gemalto.
Their bid was reportedly to be £50 million less than the UK bid."
£50 Million is a huge saving! |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
""You couldn't make it up..."
First the fish and now the passports. Nigel won't be happy about this. The people have spoken! "
If we have to keep on buying bendy bananas (or straight ones or whatever the fucking problem is with bananas) then we are going to see riots on the streets! |
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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago
Burton-on-Trent |
"News being leaked that the contract to produce the UK passport from 2020, reportedly reverting to its old dark blue colour, is to be awarded to Franco-Dutch firm Gemalto.
Their bid was reportedly to be £50 million less than the UK bid.
£50 Million is a huge saving!"
Yes but we don't want to save money when it comes to the Britishness of our blue passports. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"News being leaked that the contract to produce the UK passport from 2020, reportedly reverting to its old dark blue colour, is to be awarded to Franco-Dutch firm Gemalto.
Their bid was reportedly to be £50 million less than the UK bid.
£50 Million is a huge saving!"
There’s an easier way to save more.
Imagine being able to keep your old colour passports and being able to freely travel around Europe. How nice would that be. Haha |
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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago
Burton-on-Trent |
"News being leaked that the contract to produce the UK passport from 2020, reportedly reverting to its old dark blue colour, is to be awarded to Franco-Dutch firm Gemalto.
Their bid was reportedly to be £50 million less than the UK bid.
£50 Million is a huge saving!
There’s an easier way to save more.
Imagine being able to keep your old colour passports and being able to freely travel around Europe. How nice would that be. Haha"
What a horrible traitor you are. Wash your mouth out and sing Rule Britannia for the rest of the day. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"News being leaked that the contract to produce the UK passport from 2020, reportedly reverting to its old dark blue colour, is to be awarded to Franco-Dutch firm Gemalto.
Their bid was reportedly to be £50 million less than the UK bid.
£50 Million is a huge saving!
There’s an easier way to save more.
Imagine being able to keep your old colour passports and being able to freely travel around Europe. How nice would that be. Haha"
but you can still travel freely around Europe, are you unaware of this! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"News being leaked that the contract to produce the UK passport from 2020, reportedly reverting to its old dark blue colour, is to be awarded to Franco-Dutch firm Gemalto.
Their bid was reportedly to be £50 million less than the UK bid.
£50 Million is a huge saving!
There’s an easier way to save more.
Imagine being able to keep your old colour passports and being able to freely travel around Europe. How nice would that be. Haha
but you can still travel freely around Europe, are you unaware of this!"
Right now yes, but who knows what shitty situation we’ll get when this is all said and done. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Actually I googled it and read up. We will no longer have the same freedom to travel to Europe. We will require a ETIAS and to conform to a number of other conditions. |
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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago
Burton-on-Trent |
"Actually I googled it and read up. We will no longer have the same freedom to travel to Europe. We will require a ETIAS and to conform to a number of other conditions."
Not to mention the "fat sweaty Brit" que at holiday destinations all over the Med. While the EU citizens breeze past and claim the sunbeds first. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Actually I googled it and read up. We will no longer have the same freedom to travel to Europe. We will require a ETIAS and to conform to a number of other conditions.
Not to mention the "fat sweaty Brit" que at holiday destinations all over the Med. While the EU citizens breeze past and claim the sunbeds first. "
this is getting very silly now |
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"You do know that Ministers don't get involved until the signing off procedure.
These were blind bids overseen by the impartial civil service."
Not quite so. The government and therefore the minister in charge of whichever department runs the passport office has to approve the tender conditions prior to the contract being put out to tender. Therefore it was a government decision to make this an open bidding process. Remember whenever they sell off some of our public assets they always restrict the bidding and nominate a preferred bidder (so that one of their banker mates gets to make a packet at our expense). If the government wanted to they could have done the same with this contract.
As I said:
Sounds about right...
After all we have a Tory government... |
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"£50 Million is a huge saving!"
Not necessarily.
Firstly it depends on the total size of the contract.
Secondly it depends on where the passports are printed.
If the contract is for 1 billion then 50 million is 5%. Also if the passports are to be printed outside the UK then there is the loss of income tax and NI on the wages of those employed to do the printing and transportation of the passports as well as the loss of corporation tax on the profits made on the contract as well as fuel duties and road fund duties on the fuel used by the delivery vehicles.
Very quickly the headline figure of £50 million saving can turn into a massive loss to the Treasury. |
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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago
Grantham |
"You do know that Ministers don't get involved until the signing off procedure.
These were blind bids overseen by the impartial civil service.
Not quite so. The government and therefore the minister in charge of whichever department runs the passport office has to approve the tender conditions prior to the contract being put out to tender. Therefore it was a government decision to make this an open bidding process. Remember whenever they sell off some of our public assets they always restrict the bidding and nominate a preferred bidder (so that one of their banker mates gets to make a packet at our expense). If the government wanted to they could have done the same with this contract.
As I said:
Sounds about right...
After all we have a Tory government..."
Because this tender was of large value and we are still in the EU, then it legally had to be open to any EU member state.
The tender process was all done correctly and legally. The outcome wasn't as expected, and De La Rue are expected to appeal against the decision. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
It's the sign of things to come. A key part of FTAs is the ability to bid for government contracts. If France can under cut us, what do you think India and China are gonna do?
Open your eyes people! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What is it with this blue passport nonsense?
The old ones were black I seem to remember and no one was demanding blue passports then."
I think you'll find they we're indeed Blue, not black, never have been black, they may look black but they we're very dark blue, that's why the big HURAH!! about going back to blue. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Pot calling the kettle black here.
We are global Britain as is often quoted about leaving the EU. This is exactly what is going to happen unless we bring in policies which protect our market place. In other words protectionism - similar to Trumps theory. A trade war develops and who wins? This is just the beginning and De La Rue boss brags how many passports they make for other countries, then moans when he doesn't get the home based deal. It's o.k. to take business off other countries manufacturing base, but when they do it to us it's not fair! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"News being leaked that the contract to produce the UK passport from 2020, reportedly reverting to its old dark blue colour, is to be awarded to Franco-Dutch firm Gemalto.
Their bid was reportedly to be £50 million less than the UK bid.
£50 Million is a huge saving!
There’s an easier way to save more.
Imagine being able to keep your old colour passports and being able to freely travel around Europe. How nice would that be. Haha"
Well you do keep your current burgundy passport until it expires anyway, only a renewal ends up a new blue French passport  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Pot calling the kettle black here.
We are global Britain as is often quoted about leaving the EU. This is exactly what is going to happen unless we bring in policies which protect our market place. In other words protectionism - similar to Trumps theory. A trade war develops and who wins? This is just the beginning and De La Rue boss brags how many passports they make for other countries, then moans when he doesn't get the home based deal. It's o.k. to take business off other countries manufacturing base, but when they do it to us it's not fair!"
Very well put  |
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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago
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"Pot calling the kettle black here.
We are global Britain as is often quoted about leaving the EU. This is exactly what is going to happen unless we bring in policies which protect our market place. In other words protectionism - similar to Trumps theory. A trade war develops and who wins? This is just the beginning and De La Rue boss brags how many passports they make for other countries, then moans when he doesn't get the home based deal. It's o.k. to take business off other countries manufacturing base, but when they do it to us it's not fair!"
How do you know that De La Rue's clients haven't asked the company to work for them, rather than having to tender for the work?
DLR are world leaders in what they do. Some of their smaller clients may not have the expertise or money to replicate the work. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Under the rules of the EU, public procurement contracts valued at £150,000 must be advertised in the EU journal.
Any business in the EU28 is entitled to tender, and the public body cannot discriminate on the basis of geographic location.
It's the single market.
Equally, any business in the UK can tender for Government contracts elsewhere in the EU and their location cannot be used against them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Pot calling the kettle black here.
We are global Britain as is often quoted about leaving the EU. This is exactly what is going to happen unless we bring in policies which protect our market place. In other words protectionism - similar to Trumps theory. A trade war develops and who wins? This is just the beginning and De La Rue boss brags how many passports they make for other countries, then moans when he doesn't get the home based deal. It's o.k. to take business off other countries manufacturing base, but when they do it to us it's not fair!
How do you know that De La Rue's clients haven't asked the company to work for them, rather than having to tender for the work?
DLR are world leaders in what they do. Some of their smaller clients may not have the expertise or money to replicate the work."
Depending on the size of contract of course clients can instruct companies without tendering. However, it's normal procurement practice to tender for large contracts of this type. DLR have won contracts in other countries, so shouldn't be suprised when foreign companies come poaching on their turf. This is all about business - trading which is what brexit is all about - free trade -so they say. Here is a warning it works both ways! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
Not quite as simple as some of the fuming brexit papers and people are saying...
1) it is not a saving of 50 mil... it’s 120 million
2) de la rue.. may be a British company, but they may about 10% of all of the passport contracts they have in Malta
3) the Franco German company who did win the bid actually have a big factory in fareham.... |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Sounds about right...
After all we have a Tory government..."
It is because we are in the EU and while still in it we have to abide by EU rules and we do.It annoys me and is disappointing but we are in the EU it has nothing to do with the fact we have a Tory government. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Pot calling the kettle black here.
We are global Britain as is often quoted about leaving the EU. This is exactly what is going to happen unless we bring in policies which protect our market place. In other words protectionism - similar to Trumps theory. A trade war develops and who wins? This is just the beginning and De La Rue boss brags how many passports they make for other countries, then moans when he doesn't get the home based deal. It's o.k. to take business off other countries manufacturing base, but when they do it to us it's not fair!
How do you know that De La Rue's clients haven't asked the company to work for them, rather than having to tender for the work?
DLR are world leaders in what they do. Some of their smaller clients may not have the expertise or money to replicate the work.
Depending on the size of contract of course clients can instruct companies without tendering. However, it's normal procurement practice to tender for large contracts of this type. DLR have won contracts in other countries, so shouldn't be suprised when foreign companies come poaching on their turf. This is all about business - trading which is what brexit is all about - free trade -so they say. Here is a warning it works both ways!"
a very valid point |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Quick Question
when do passports require to be renewed?
1; when they run out
or
2; when we leave EU
Just when they run out thank fuck."
ahh yes, just read this;
Existing passport holders will continue to use their existing burgundy passports until they expire
thanks again |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My brother uses two passports depending on where he is travelling.
He lives in Canada and uses his Canadian passport when traveling to certain countries and his British one for mostly Europe.
His wife accidentally washed both passports with his clothes.
His Canadian passport was completely washed clean with no remaining information left in it.
His British passport was a bit soggy but useable.
So I wonder what kind of standard the new blue passports will be ???? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The French do thier own passports and would not let anyone else do them "
So in the 50 million saved does that include a figure for anyone that gets made unemployed due to loosing the contract. ?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not quite as simple as some of the fuming brexit papers and people are saying...
1) it is not a saving of 50 mil... it’s 120 million
2) de la rue.. may be a British company, but they may about 10% of all of the passport contracts they have in Malta
3) the Franco German company who did win the bid actually have a big factory in fareham...."
where did you get that info Fabio? £120 million |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The UK is still currently part of the eu , if the uk puts something to tender its open to to companies in all eu member states to tender for that contract , not until brexit has happened that the uk can tender it to uk companies only
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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any update on this;
The Home Office said a winning bid had been chosen but it was up to the supplier to announce the news.
It said the deal could save the taxpayer £100m-£120m and that 70 new jobs would be created in the UK, at sites in Fareham and Hayward
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why does the colour of the passport have to change anyway ?
Can't say I'm that bothered what colour mine is."
as long as it give me entry to the great U.S. of A |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why does the colour of the passport have to change anyway ?
Can't say I'm that bothered what colour mine is.
as long as it give me entry to the great U.S. of A "
Tell uncle Donald I said hello next time you are there
I hope you get a round of golf in with him |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why does the colour of the passport have to change anyway ?
Can't say I'm that bothered what colour mine is.
as long as it give me entry to the great U.S. of A
Tell uncle Donald I said hello next time you are there
I hope you get a round of golf in with him "
Funny you should say that, you should visit Turnberry, his hotel has some of the finest decorated rooms you can find in Scotland |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why does the colour of the passport have to change anyway ?
Can't say I'm that bothered what colour mine is.
as long as it give me entry to the great U.S. of A
Tell uncle Donald I said hello next time you are there
I hope you get a round of golf in with him
Funny you should say that, you should visit Turnberry, his hotel has some of the finest decorated rooms you can find in Scotland"
Sorry I just could not give time my money ! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Why does the colour of the passport have to change anyway ?
Can't say I'm that bothered what colour mine is.
as long as it give me entry to the great U.S. of A "
In which case you are going to need a biometric passport eventually in either case |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why does the colour of the passport have to change anyway ?
Can't say I'm that bothered what colour mine is.
as long as it give me entry to the great U.S. of A
In which case you are going to need a biometric passport eventually in either case "
My passport was renewed in September for a further 10 years, all new passports are biometric |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why does the colour of the passport have to change anyway ?
Can't say I'm that bothered what colour mine is."
This is entirely the point. It’s a symbol represents either the change that you wanted and a separation from Europe, or a colossal waste of time and money that people who didn’t want to leave Europe are concerned over. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"It's nothing to do with the cost of the contract and everything to do with the fact De La Rue sounds a bit too foreign for Brexit Britain"
Which would sum up Brexit mentality exactly.
Let’s not give it to the company founded by an immigrant a century or so ago who chose the U.K. as home and grown it to the worlds largest printing company.... because the company sounds ‘a bit foreign’ and give it to an *actual* foreign company. Oops.
-Matt |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why does the colour of the passport have to change anyway ?
Can't say I'm that bothered what colour mine is.
This is entirely the point. It’s a symbol represents either the change that you wanted and a separation from Europe, or a colossal waste of time and money that people who didn’t want to leave Europe are concerned over."
I voted to stay in the EU.
Maybe all those who did vote to leave should pay for Brexit  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why does the colour of the passport have to change anyway ?
Can't say I'm that bothered what colour mine is.
This is entirely the point. It’s a symbol represents either the change that you wanted and a separation from Europe, or a colossal waste of time and money that people who didn’t want to leave Europe are concerned over.
I voted to stay in the EU.
Maybe all those who did vote to leave should pay for Brexit "
Indeed. And those who voted remain should be allowed to keep the old passport and all the privileges it represents |
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"It is because we are in the EU and while still in it we have to abide by EU rules and we do.It annoys me and is disappointing but we are in the EU it has nothing to do with the fact we have a Tory government."
Again, not so. In the EU every member has always been able to claim national security as a reason to restrict who can and cannot bid for contracts in areas 'vital to national security' just like all member states have been able to restrict universal movement. The fact that successive British governments have chosen not to use these options and then blame Brussels for their lack of action speaks volumes about our politicians and their hidden agendas. As I said before, it is funny how every time it has come to selling off national assets the Tories have always been able to nominate one of their banking mates as a preferred bidder and award them the contract to profiteer at the expense of the public purse.
"Why does the colour of the passport have to change anyway ?
Can't say I'm that bothered what colour mine is."
Why does the colour of your passport matter? I guess you have never done much extensive traveling or if you have you are very unobservant. There is a reason why many get waved through customs and only get the most cursory of checks at passport control while others seem to be picked out for much closer scrutiny. It is down to passport colour.
It matters because it is a very quick way to identify which geopolitical group your country of origin is aligned to.
By changing our passport colour we are declaring a change in geopolitical alignment and in so doing making ourselves more of a target in many parts of the world.
But hey, why should you be bothered? After all ignorance is bliss.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Sounds about right...
After all we have a Tory government...
You do know that Ministers don't get involved until the signing off procedure.
These were blind bids overseen by the impartial civil service."
Impartial my Arse!! |
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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago
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"It is because we are in the EU and while still in it we have to abide by EU rules and we do.It annoys me and is disappointing but we are in the EU it has nothing to do with the fact we have a Tory government.
Again, not so. In the EU every member has always been able to claim national security as a reason to restrict who can and cannot bid for contracts in areas 'vital to national security' just like all member states have been able to restrict universal movement. The fact that successive British governments have chosen not to use these options and then blame Brussels for their lack of action speaks volumes about our politicians and their hidden agendas. As I said before, it is funny how every time it has come to selling off national assets the Tories have always been able to nominate one of their banking mates as a preferred bidder and award them the contract to profiteer at the expense of the public purse.
Why does the colour of the passport have to change anyway ?
Can't say I'm that bothered what colour mine is.
Why does the colour of your passport matter? I guess you have never done much extensive traveling or if you have you are very unobservant. There is a reason why many get waved through customs and only get the most cursory of checks at passport control while others seem to be picked out for much closer scrutiny. It is down to passport colour.
It matters because it is a very quick way to identify which geopolitical group your country of origin is aligned to.
By changing our passport colour we are declaring a change in geopolitical alignment and in so doing making ourselves more of a target in many parts of the world.
But hey, why should you be bothered? After all ignorance is bliss.
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I have a cover on my passport. No one knows what colour it is. I always enter through the right entry point. |
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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Sounds about right...
After all we have a Tory government...
You do know that Ministers don't get involved until the signing off procedure.
These were blind bids overseen by the impartial civil service.
Impartial my Arse!!"
Care to give a few examples or is that just a sweeping statement along the lines of "Man Utd are shit" ? |
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"I have a cover on my passport. No one knows what colour it is. I always enter through the right entry point. "
Really?
I suggest you take a closer look at your passport and employ a little critical observation to every single page. If you know anyone who has a blue, green or black passport you may like to do a comparison. Let me know what colour the fine lines and printing are that cover every page, maybe take a look at the colour of the page edges and then tell me that no one knows what colour your passport is.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It is because we are in the EU and while still in it we have to abide by EU rules and we do.It annoys me and is disappointing but we are in the EU it has nothing to do with the fact we have a Tory government.
Again, not so. In the EU every member has always been able to claim national security as a reason to restrict who can and cannot bid for contracts in areas 'vital to national security' just like all member states have been able to restrict universal movement. The fact that successive British governments have chosen not to use these options and then blame Brussels for their lack of action speaks volumes about our politicians and their hidden agendas. As I said before, it is funny how every time it has come to selling off national assets the Tories have always been able to nominate one of their banking mates as a preferred bidder and award them the contract to profiteer at the expense of the public purse.
Why does the colour of the passport have to change anyway ?
Can't say I'm that bothered what colour mine is.
Why does the colour of your passport matter? I guess you have never done much extensive traveling or if you have you are very unobservant. There is a reason why many get waved through customs and only get the most cursory of checks at passport control while others seem to be picked out for much closer scrutiny. It is down to passport colour.
It matters because it is a very quick way to identify which geopolitical group your country of origin is aligned to.
By changing our passport colour we are declaring a change in geopolitical alignment and in so doing making ourselves more of a target in many parts of the world.
But hey, why should you be bothered? After all ignorance is bliss.
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Interesting assumptions you've made about me.
Still not bothered what colour my passport is though. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
I'm happy with the colour of my passport, I've only ever had that passport colour. If others want to change it, fair enough, but if Brexit is about looking forwards, to a bright new future, then it shouldn't go back to an old colour, it should be a new colour. |
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"I'm happy with the colour of my passport, I've only ever had that passport colour. If others want to change it, fair enough, but if Brexit is about looking forwards, to a bright new future, then it shouldn't go back to an old colour, it should be a new colour. "
Which of the other 2 colours would you choose? Green (as used by most Islamic countries or third world black? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm happy with the colour of my passport, I've only ever had that passport colour. If others want to change it, fair enough, but if Brexit is about looking forwards, to a bright new future, then it shouldn't go back to an old colour, it should be a new colour.
Which of the other 2 colours would you choose? Green (as used by most Islamic countries or third world black?"
I like the white and gold that the UK currently uses for our temporary passports, I think it looks very cool and distinctive, but there are plenty of colours to choose from. Why do we have to look backwards? |
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"I like the white and gold that the UK currently uses for our temporary passports, I think it looks very cool and distinctive, but there are plenty of colours to choose from. Why do we have to look backwards? "
As far as I know all temporary passports are white. |
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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago
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"I'm happy with the colour of my passport, I've only ever had that passport colour. If others want to change it, fair enough, but if Brexit is about looking forwards, to a bright new future, then it shouldn't go back to an old colour, it should be a new colour.
Which of the other 2 colours would you choose? Green (as used by most Islamic countries or third world black?"
Diplomatic passports were traditionally black. New Zealand has a black passport to reflect their national colour.
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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago
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"I'm happy with the colour of my passport, I've only ever had that passport colour. If others want to change it, fair enough, but if Brexit is about looking forwards, to a bright new future, then it shouldn't go back to an old colour, it should be a new colour.
Which of the other 2 colours would you choose? Green (as used by most Islamic countries or third world black?
I like the white and gold that the UK currently uses for our temporary passports, I think it looks very cool and distinctive, but there are plenty of colours to choose from. Why do we have to look backwards? "
America and India have white passports, dependent on status.
If you are a immigrant into Norway, you will get a white passport.
Whilst the cover colour is nice enough, it's what's on the inside page that's more stunning. Norway and Canada have scenes on the pages that only show up under UV light, and are indeed world of art. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Hey!
As long as we are leaving right?
Also, if we can save a few quid in the process.
Call it a win, win situation!"
Call it business in a global world! AKA "reality check" |
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