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"I think all vehicles should be taken off the road till proven safe which you'll never do though, so instead I have to suck up your poisonous shit on a daily basis. "My Hilux is safe "when I am behind the wheel" 
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"I think all vehicles should be taken off the road till proven safe which you'll never do though, so instead I have to suck up your poisonous shit on a daily basis.
My Hilux is safe "when I am behind the wheel"
its only 3 litre though, feel free to take a deep breadth when I drive by "There was a driver behind the wheel of this car, if the driver couldn't stop it, and the car couldn't stop It, what makes you think that you could have? | |||
"The death comes a year after Uber took its self-driving cars off the road following an accident that left a Volvo SUV on its side in Arizona. The programme was later reinstated" . There not killing enough for my liking  | |||
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"They'll obviously have to pull the city tests until they understand what went wrong - I just wonder if one can ever predict every situation the AI will need to deal with - its not like the software can learn by experience too many times." There are scenarios though in which no car, AI or human controlled, could stop, right? | |||
"One death by a driverless car, that had a driver present killed a pedestrian. Should we stop all these cars ? I wonder how many pedestrians have been killed in the world today by driven vehicles ? Should we now ban vehicles all together Stupid knee jerk reactions as normal I see." Exactly, these cars are already much much safer than human drivers, and are getting better every day. | |||
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"There are not enough details to the report as in did she have right of way ? Computers can only follow rules " I doubt it's going to be anything along those lines, as the human would have taken control and stopped the vehicle. My guess would be that she stepped into the road from behind a bus or something similar, and so neither autonomous car, nor human driver could stop the vehicle in time. | |||
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"I’d say it shows that machines aren’t fully ready yet so will have to make do with a human to take over in certain situations... " Except there was one. Also, the pedestrian wasn't crossing the road at a pedestrian crossing. What most people don't realise is that driving is more than just following a set of rules. It's actually a social activity. People have to interact with each other in unpredictable ways. What does it mean when someone flashes you at a junction? Are they letting you go? Is the signal for someone else to cross the road? Is there something wrong with your car that they're trying to draw attention to? Also bear in mind that this is NOT a legal action anyway! How is a machine supposed to make sense of what these crazy humans are trying to do anyway? | |||
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"One death by a driverless car, that had a driver present killed a pedestrian. Should we stop all these cars ? I wonder how many pedestrians have been killed in the world today by driven vehicles ? Should we now ban vehicles all together Stupid knee jerk reactions as normal I see." that's the problem Andy, it wasn't just one death, its death after death, | |||
"Shame on uber! It is always the same... Whenever there is a new innovation there is always some chancer who refuses to wait until the technology is fully tested and proven before 'starting public or open tests' and inevitably when bugs or mistakes in design are discovered it is by means of unforeseen incident causing injury or death to a third party leading to project delays or cancellation of entire projects. I wonder how many leaps forward we have lost through the greed of those who refuse to wait for an innovation to mature before launching public trials?" its all about money & profit Will dollars, pounds and pence | |||
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"Autonomous vehicles need a special license to operate in some US states, California being the most high profile. Uber (and others) ran into some trouble last year regarding these licenses, so transferred the majority of the vehicles to a state that doesn't require and special licenses or restrictions. Any guesses which that state was?" Virginia? Or maybe West Virginia? | |||
"Autonomous vehicles need a special license to operate in some US states, California being the most high profile. Uber (and others) ran into some trouble last year regarding these licenses, so transferred the majority of the vehicles to a state that doesn't require and special licenses or restrictions. Any guesses which that state was?" Does it begin with an A? | |||
"Autonomous vehicles need a special license to operate in some US states, California being the most high profile. Uber (and others) ran into some trouble last year regarding these licenses, so transferred the majority of the vehicles to a state that doesn't require and special licenses or restrictions. Any guesses which that state was? Does it begin with an A?" Start the day with an A* | |||
"Autonomous vehicles need a special license to operate in some US states, California being the most high profile. Uber (and others) ran into some trouble last year regarding these licenses, so transferred the majority of the vehicles to a state that doesn't require and special licenses or restrictions. Any guesses which that state was? Does it begin with an A? Start the day with an A* "God help us if Alabama gets the bomb! https://youtu.be/8FgMTAj4f_o | |||
"It's human error at the end of the day .Either the driver or the pedestrian or the software programming are to blame. Cars don't kill people... people kill people." . Haha good one bobster, make it a constitutional right to own a driverless car I say | |||
"I think all vehicles should be taken off the road till proven safe which you'll never do though, so instead I have to suck up your poisonous shit on a daily basis.
My Hilux is safe "when I am behind the wheel"
its only 3 litre though, feel free to take a deep breadth when I drive by
There was a driver behind the wheel of this car, if the driver couldn't stop it, and the car couldn't stop It, what makes you think that you could have? "This... so is there no over riding system if a driver is behind the wheel? | |||
"One death by a driverless car, that had a driver present killed a pedestrian. Should we stop all these cars ? I wonder how many pedestrians have been killed in the world today by driven vehicles ? Should we now ban vehicles all together Stupid knee jerk reactions as normal I see. that's the problem Andy, it wasn't just one death, its death after death, " But is the death rate almost on a microscope level compared to driven vehicles  | |||
"I think all vehicles should be taken off the road till proven safe which you'll never do though, so instead I have to suck up your poisonous shit on a daily basis.
My Hilux is safe "when I am behind the wheel"
its only 3 litre though, feel free to take a deep breadth when I drive by
There was a driver behind the wheel of this car, if the driver couldn't stop it, and the car couldn't stop It, what makes you think that you could have?
This... so is there no over riding system if a driver is behind the wheel?"There is. But there have been no details yet as far as I see as to what happened. Only that the person who was hit was not using a crossing.y guess is that they stepped into moving traffic without looking and neither the autonomous or human driver could stop the vehicle in time. That is just a guess though. -Matt | |||
"I think all vehicles should be taken off the road till proven safe which you'll never do though, so instead I have to suck up your poisonous shit on a daily basis.
My Hilux is safe "when I am behind the wheel"
its only 3 litre though, feel free to take a deep breadth when I drive by
There was a driver behind the wheel of this car, if the driver couldn't stop it, and the car couldn't stop It, what makes you think that you could have?
This... so is there no over riding system if a driver is behind the wheel?
There is. But there have been no details yet as far as I see as to what happened. Only that the person who was hit was not using a crossing.y guess is that they stepped into moving traffic without looking and neither the autonomous or human driver could stop the vehicle in time. That is just a guess though.
-Matt"She came out between two parked vehicles. As you say, not on a recognised crossing. | |||
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"One death by a driverless car, that had a driver present killed a pedestrian. Should we stop all these cars ? I wonder how many pedestrians have been killed in the world today by driven vehicles ? Should we now ban vehicles all together Stupid knee jerk reactions as normal I see. that's the problem Andy, it wasn't just one death, its death after death, " Any links (or even the slightest details) about these other deaths? | |||
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"Many years away yet ..." yeah about 5 years if take into account Moore's law.  | |||
"One death by a driverless car, that had a driver present killed a pedestrian. Should we stop all these cars ? I wonder how many pedestrians have been killed in the world today by driven vehicles ? Should we now ban vehicles all together Stupid knee jerk reactions as normal I see. that's the problem Andy, it wasn't just one death, its death after death, Any links (or even the slightest details) about these other deaths?" are you incapable of doing a search  | |||
"One death by a driverless car, that had a driver present killed a pedestrian. Should we stop all these cars ? I wonder how many pedestrians have been killed in the world today by driven vehicles ? Should we now ban vehicles all together Stupid knee jerk reactions as normal I see. that's the problem Andy, it wasn't just one death, its death after death, Any links (or even the slightest details) about these other deaths? are you incapable of doing a search "That's what I thought. | |||
"One death by a driverless car, that had a driver present killed a pedestrian. Should we stop all these cars ? I wonder how many pedestrians have been killed in the world today by driven vehicles ? Should we now ban vehicles all together Stupid knee jerk reactions as normal I see. that's the problem Andy, it wasn't just one death, its death after death, Any links (or even the slightest details) about these other deaths? are you incapable of doing a search
That's what I thought. "We wont mention Mr Brown then will we (hushhhhhhhh) | |||
"One death by a driverless car, that had a driver present killed a pedestrian. Should we stop all these cars ? I wonder how many pedestrians have been killed in the world today by driven vehicles ? Should we now ban vehicles all together Stupid knee jerk reactions as normal I see. that's the problem Andy, it wasn't just one death, its death after death, But is the death rate almost on a microscope level compared to driven vehicles "Really? Since there are few autonomous cars compared with driver cars you'd need to express the incident rate relative to miles covered - I doubt driverless cars have covered enough miles so far to get meaningful statistics on incidents? | |||
"One death by a driverless car, that had a driver present killed a pedestrian. Should we stop all these cars ? I wonder how many pedestrians have been killed in the world today by driven vehicles ? Should we now ban vehicles all together Stupid knee jerk reactions as normal I see. that's the problem Andy, it wasn't just one death, its death after death, But is the death rate almost on a microscope level compared to driven vehicles
Really? Since there are few autonomous cars compared with driver cars you'd need to express the incident rate relative to miles covered - I doubt driverless cars have covered enough miles so far to get meaningful statistics on incidents?""But is the death rate almost on a microscope level compared to driven vehicles "
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actually the opposite way round, there are only a few driverless / automated cars on road compared with millions of driven road vehicles
so if you get a good few deaths & accidents from only a handful of driverless cars imagine what it would be like if there were millions.
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Here is a snippet from Mr.Brown's fatality;
.the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said preliminary reports indicated that the crash occurred when a tractor-trailer made a left turn in front of the Tesla, and the car failed to apply the brakes. The agency did not name the victim, but the Florida Highway Patrol identified him as Mr. Brown
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"One death by a driverless car, that had a driver present killed a pedestrian. Should we stop all these cars ? I wonder how many pedestrians have been killed in the world today by driven vehicles ? Should we now ban vehicles all together Stupid knee jerk reactions as normal I see. that's the problem Andy, it wasn't just one death, its death after death, But is the death rate almost on a microscope level compared to driven vehicles
Really? Since there are few autonomous cars compared with driver cars you'd need to express the incident rate relative to miles covered - I doubt driverless cars have covered enough miles so far to get meaningful statistics on incidents?
"But is the death rate almost on a microscope level compared to driven vehicles "
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actually the opposite way round, there are only a few driverless / automated cars on road compared with millions of driven road vehicles
so if you get a good few deaths & accidents from only a handful of driverless cars imagine what it would be like if there were millions.
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Here is a snippet from Mr.Brown's fatality;
.the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said preliminary reports indicated that the crash occurred when a tractor-trailer made a left turn in front of the Tesla, and the car failed to apply the brakes. The agency did not name the victim, but the Florida Highway Patrol identified him as Mr. Brown
"Only one problem with that... he wasn't driving an autonomous car. | |||
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stick to your cities, city dwellers
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meantime why not jump on a crowded tube pmsl.
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"sit back and smile . whilst you all sit and wait for your beloved autonomous cars, I will be the car in front, The Toyota Hilux will take me all places autonomous cars will not go
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stick to your cities, city dwellers
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meantime why not jump on a crowded tube pmsl.
"Didn't realise Toyota made invalid carriages now. | |||
"Uber said it is suspending self-driving car tests in all North American cities after a fatal accident. A 49-year-old woman was hit by a car and killed as she crossed the street in Tempe, Arizona. While self-driving cars have been involved in multiple accidents, it is thought to be the first time a self-driving car has been involved in a fatal pedestrian collision. Uber chief Dara Khosrowshahi said the death was "incredibly sad news". "We're thinking of the victim's family as we work with local law enforcement to understand what happened," . Anthony Foxx, who served as US Secretary of Transportation under former President Barack Obama, called the accident a "wake up call to the entire [autonomous vehicle] industry and government to put a high priority on safety." should all autonomous vehicle's be taken off the road until proven safe?" I'm all for any government regulating A.I and autonomous robotics, so long as they don't stifle R&D. It's telling when you have individuals like Elon Musk, who are poised to potentially become Trillionaires off this kind of market, saying things along the line of 'yeah the government actually needs to understand the mechanics and implementation of what we are doing, then regulate where needed.' I mean the fact that the creators and innovators are the ones flashing up the real dangers is telling. | |||
"So we have two deaths now. One with a car in self drive mode, and a pedestrian hit by an autonomous car. Unfortunately accidents happen and will continue to happen. We are going to have to get used to the current "mix and match" between human interface and computers but hopefully the technology will improve as fast as the accident rate coming down." What's more dangerous: A.) An intoxicated driver. B.) A driver trying to show off his car's power or his/her driving skills. c.) A machine driven by an algorithm. I wonder what the rate of accidents of autonomous cars vs intoxicated/irresponsible drivers is, as that is how governments will assess it. | |||
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"So we have two deaths now. One with a car in self drive mode, and a pedestrian hit by an autonomous car. Unfortunately accidents happen and will continue to happen. We are going to have to get used to the current "mix and match" between human interface and computers but hopefully the technology will improve as fast as the accident rate coming down. What's more dangerous: A.) An intoxicated driver. B.) A driver trying to show off his car's power or his/her driving skills. c.) A machine driven by an algorithm. I wonder what the rate of accidents of autonomous cars vs intoxicated/irresponsible drivers is, as that is how governments will assess it." This on the surface seems like the right way to think...but what about the potential for hacking and the centralised nature of control? No technology company have proven themselves relible yet. An endless flurry or bug fixes and incompatibilities and abandonment of unprofitable software is the theme There are other aspects of life which need to be automated much quicker than driving anyway. Humans intuition using algorithmic assistance are where the best results are anyway. | |||
"Driverless cars are a terrible idea " Nah the average person being in charge of a car is a terrible idea  | |||
" I wonder what the rate of accidents of autonomous cars vs intoxicated/irresponsible drivers is, as that is how governments will assess it." It's not even just a case of irresponsible/d*unk drivers. Humans just miscalculate things or don't react quickly enough. Studies show over 90% of acccidents are due to driver error. There will be downsides and difficulties to automation but in the final tallying, it will save lives. | |||
" I wonder what the rate of accidents of autonomous cars vs intoxicated/irresponsible drivers is, as that is how governments will assess it. It's not even just a case of irresponsible/d*unk drivers. Humans just miscalculate things or don't react quickly enough. Studies show over 90% of acccidents are due to driver error. There will be downsides and difficulties to automation but in the final tallying, it will save lives." And put migrant workers out of a job. nice one Adolf. | |||
" I wonder what the rate of accidents of autonomous cars vs intoxicated/irresponsible drivers is, as that is how governments will assess it. It's not even just a case of irresponsible/d*unk drivers. Humans just miscalculate things or don't react quickly enough. Studies show over 90% of acccidents are due to driver error. There will be downsides and difficulties to automation but in the final tallying, it will save lives. And put migrant workers out of a job. nice one Adolf."On the very small chance you're being serious and not arguing for the sake of it - Automation is coming for a good proportion of all our jobs. We have to accept that and figure out what to do about it rather than stick our heads in the sand. | |||
" I wonder what the rate of accidents of autonomous cars vs intoxicated/irresponsible drivers is, as that is how governments will assess it. It's not even just a case of irresponsible/d*unk drivers. Humans just miscalculate things or don't react quickly enough. Studies show over 90% of acccidents are due to driver error. There will be downsides and difficulties to automation but in the final tallying, it will save lives. And put migrant workers out of a job. nice one Adolf.
On the very small chance you're being serious and not arguing for the sake of it -
Automation is coming for a good proportion of all our jobs. We have to accept that and figure out what to do about it rather than stick our heads in the sand."Retirement is a good option, I can vouch for it | |||
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" I wonder what the rate of accidents of autonomous cars vs intoxicated/irresponsible drivers is, as that is how governments will assess it. It's not even just a case of irresponsible/d*unk drivers. Humans just miscalculate things or don't react quickly enough. Studies show over 90% of acccidents are due to driver error. There will be downsides and difficulties to automation but in the final tallying, it will save lives." Humans can't be hacked. It's a cyber terrorists wet dream. | |||
" I wonder what the rate of accidents of autonomous cars vs intoxicated/irresponsible drivers is, as that is how governments will assess it. It's not even just a case of irresponsible/d*unk drivers. Humans just miscalculate things or don't react quickly enough. Studies show over 90% of acccidents are due to driver error. There will be downsides and difficulties to automation but in the final tallying, it will save lives. Humans can't be hacked. It's a cyber terrorists wet dream. " PMSL. Considering all that is coming out now with Cambridge Analytica and the use of social engineering to influence political outcomes on such a massive scale... can you really say that with a straight face? -Matt | |||
" I wonder what the rate of accidents of autonomous cars vs intoxicated/irresponsible drivers is, as that is how governments will assess it. It's not even just a case of irresponsible/d*unk drivers. Humans just miscalculate things or don't react quickly enough. Studies show over 90% of acccidents are due to driver error. There will be downsides and difficulties to automation but in the final tallying, it will save lives. Humans can't be hacked. It's a cyber terrorists wet dream. " Hacking is a risk to be mitigated, not a reason to abandon the whole idea. And some experts seem to think it's handleable - theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/30/self-driving-cars-hackers-security | |||
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"The loss of a human life is terrible in any situation but having seen the footage released from the car I feel it’s extremely unfair to blame Uber !! The woman in question was crossing a 2 lane road extremely late at night ( pitch black ) with a bike and she is only visible before the crash for a mere second , I don’t even think a human could have prevented the tragedy " Agreed the woman was a complete moron crossing in the dark no reflective gear. But check out the person who was supposed to be monitoring the car, half of the time they were looking down at something! Mobile phone maybe ? | |||
"The loss of a human life is terrible in any situation but having seen the footage released from the car I feel it’s extremely unfair to blame Uber !! The woman in question was crossing a 2 lane road extremely late at night ( pitch black ) with a bike and she is only visible before the crash for a mere second , I don’t even think a human could have prevented the tragedy Agreed the woman was a complete moron crossing in the dark no reflective gear. " We get that all the time in Scotland, in the dark or broad day light, "they" are called deer, including 300lb big reds | |||
"The loss of a human life is terrible in any situation but having seen the footage released from the car I feel it’s extremely unfair to blame Uber !! The woman in question was crossing a 2 lane road extremely late at night ( pitch black ) with a bike and she is only visible before the crash for a mere second , I don’t even think a human could have prevented the tragedy Agreed the woman was a complete moron crossing in the dark no reflective gear. We get that all the time in Scotland, in the dark or broad day light, "they" are called deer, including 300lb big reds "And do people ever hit them? | |||
"The loss of a human life is terrible in any situation but having seen the footage released from the car I feel it’s extremely unfair to blame Uber !! The woman in question was crossing a 2 lane road extremely late at night ( pitch black ) with a bike and she is only visible before the crash for a mere second , I don’t even think a human could have prevented the tragedy Agreed the woman was a complete moron crossing in the dark no reflective gear. We get that all the time in Scotland, in the dark or broad day light, "they" are called deer, including 300lb big reds
And do people ever hit them? "you do get a few tourists, immigrants and other incompetent drivers unable to stop due to being unaware of their surroundings; doesn't happen with Scottish drivers they are fully aware of the risk and drive safe. | |||
"The loss of a human life is terrible in any situation but having seen the footage released from the car I feel it’s extremely unfair to blame Uber !! The woman in question was crossing a 2 lane road extremely late at night ( pitch black ) with a bike and she is only visible before the crash for a mere second , I don’t even think a human could have prevented the tragedy Agreed the woman was a complete moron crossing in the dark no reflective gear. But check out the person who was supposed to be monitoring the car, half of the time they were looking down at something! Mobile phone maybe ?" Yes it does seem that the person who was meant to be montiering the car was distracted by something but in reality even if they had been paying attention I don’t think that would have changed anything , the car was doing around 45mph it seems and considering how dark it was i think this was just an extremely unfortunate accident | |||
"The loss of a human life is terrible in any situation but having seen the footage released from the car I feel it’s extremely unfair to blame Uber !! The woman in question was crossing a 2 lane road extremely late at night ( pitch black ) with a bike and she is only visible before the crash for a mere second , I don’t even think a human could have prevented the tragedy Agreed the woman was a complete moron crossing in the dark no reflective gear. We get that all the time in Scotland, in the dark or broad day light, "they" are called deer, including 300lb big reds
And do people ever hit them?
you do get a few tourists, immigrants and other incompetent drivers unable to stop due to being unaware of their surroundings; doesn't happen with Scottish drivers they are fully aware of the risk and drive safe."So even with humans at the wheel, they still get hit? We shouldn't be surprised if an autonomous vehicle hits one too then, should we. Volvo famously design their cars to withstand moose impact, as that is a frequent accident in their home country , and that again is with human drivers. | |||
"The loss of a human life is terrible in any situation but having seen the footage released from the car I feel it’s extremely unfair to blame Uber !! The woman in question was crossing a 2 lane road extremely late at night ( pitch black ) with a bike and she is only visible before the crash for a mere second , I don’t even think a human could have prevented the tragedy Agreed the woman was a complete moron crossing in the dark no reflective gear. We get that all the time in Scotland, in the dark or broad day light, "they" are called deer, including 300lb big reds
And do people ever hit them?
you do get a few tourists, immigrants and other incompetent drivers unable to stop due to being unaware of their surroundings; doesn't happen with Scottish drivers they are fully aware of the risk and drive safe.
So even with humans at the wheel, they still get hit? We shouldn't be surprised if an autonomous vehicle hits one too then, should we.
Volvo famously design their cars to withstand moose impact, as that is a frequent accident in their home country , and that again is with human drivers. "absolutely not, only an incompetent driver would drive at such speeds they could not stop should someone or something appear in front of them and as for self drive cars, there is simply NO EXCUSE, these cars should be designed to be fail safe, of which they have been proven not to be. self drive automated cars are a danger to all life around them | |||
"The loss of a human life is terrible in any situation but having seen the footage released from the car I feel it’s extremely unfair to blame Uber !! The woman in question was crossing a 2 lane road extremely late at night ( pitch black ) with a bike and she is only visible before the crash for a mere second , I don’t even think a human could have prevented the tragedy Agreed the woman was a complete moron crossing in the dark no reflective gear. We get that all the time in Scotland, in the dark or broad day light, "they" are called deer, including 300lb big reds
And do people ever hit them?
you do get a few tourists, immigrants and other incompetent drivers unable to stop due to being unaware of their surroundings; doesn't happen with Scottish drivers they are fully aware of the risk and drive safe.
So even with humans at the wheel, they still get hit? We shouldn't be surprised if an autonomous vehicle hits one too then, should we.
Volvo famously design their cars to withstand moose impact, as that is a frequent accident in their home country , and that again is with human drivers.
absolutely not, only an incompetent driver would drive at such speeds they could not stop should someone or something appear in front of them
and as for self drive cars, there is simply NO EXCUSE, these cars should be designed to be fail safe, of which they have been proven not to be.
self drive automated cars are a danger to all life around them"Well that's a pretty daft statement because at any speed, someone or something might suddenly appear that you couldn't stop in time to avoid crashing into it. I don't think you understand what the term "fail safe" actually means. Autonomous cars are MUCH safer than human driven cars. | |||
"The loss of a human life is terrible in any situation but having seen the footage released from the car I feel it’s extremely unfair to blame Uber !! The woman in question was crossing a 2 lane road extremely late at night ( pitch black ) with a bike and she is only visible before the crash for a mere second , I don’t even think a human could have prevented the tragedy Agreed the woman was a complete moron crossing in the dark no reflective gear. We get that all the time in Scotland, in the dark or broad day light, "they" are called deer, including 300lb big reds
And do people ever hit them?
you do get a few tourists, immigrants and other incompetent drivers unable to stop due to being unaware of their surroundings; doesn't happen with Scottish drivers they are fully aware of the risk and drive safe.
So even with humans at the wheel, they still get hit? We shouldn't be surprised if an autonomous vehicle hits one too then, should we.
Volvo famously design their cars to withstand moose impact, as that is a frequent accident in their home country , and that again is with human drivers.
absolutely not, only an incompetent driver would drive at such speeds they could not stop should someone or something appear in front of them
and as for self drive cars, there is simply NO EXCUSE, these cars should be designed to be fail safe, of which they have been proven not to be.
self drive automated cars are a danger to all life around them
Well that's a pretty daft statement because at any speed, someone or something might suddenly appear that you couldn't stop in time to avoid crashing into it.
I don't think you understand what the term "fail safe" actually means.
Autonomous cars are MUCH safer than human driven cars. "Take it you don't drive if you do, you need to consider re-sitting your driving test . Seriously; if you believe your statement above, you should not be driving, you are a danger to yourself and all others around you . | |||
"The loss of a human life is terrible in any situation but having seen the footage released from the car I feel it’s extremely unfair to blame Uber !! The woman in question was crossing a 2 lane road extremely late at night ( pitch black ) with a bike and she is only visible before the crash for a mere second , I don’t even think a human could have prevented the tragedy Agreed the woman was a complete moron crossing in the dark no reflective gear. We get that all the time in Scotland, in the dark or broad day light, "they" are called deer, including 300lb big reds
And do people ever hit them?
you do get a few tourists, immigrants and other incompetent drivers unable to stop due to being unaware of their surroundings; doesn't happen with Scottish drivers they are fully aware of the risk and drive safe.
So even with humans at the wheel, they still get hit? We shouldn't be surprised if an autonomous vehicle hits one too then, should we.
Volvo famously design their cars to withstand moose impact, as that is a frequent accident in their home country , and that again is with human drivers.
absolutely not, only an incompetent driver would drive at such speeds they could not stop should someone or something appear in front of them
and as for self drive cars, there is simply NO EXCUSE, these cars should be designed to be fail safe, of which they have been proven not to be.
self drive automated cars are a danger to all life around them
Well that's a pretty daft statement because at any speed, someone or something might suddenly appear that you couldn't stop in time to avoid crashing into it.
I don't think you understand what the term "fail safe" actually means.
Autonomous cars are MUCH safer than human driven cars.
Take it you don't drive
if you do, you need to consider re-sitting your driving test
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Seriously; if you believe your statement above, you should not be driving, you are a danger to yourself and all others around you
."I do drive, who would you rather be on the road with, me or an autonomous vehicle? | |||
"The loss of a human life is terrible in any situation but having seen the footage released from the car I feel it’s extremely unfair to blame Uber !! The woman in question was crossing a 2 lane road extremely late at night ( pitch black ) with a bike and she is only visible before the crash for a mere second , I don’t even think a human could have prevented the tragedy Agreed the woman was a complete moron crossing in the dark no reflective gear. We get that all the time in Scotland, in the dark or broad day light, "they" are called deer, including 300lb big reds
And do people ever hit them?
you do get a few tourists, immigrants and other incompetent drivers unable to stop due to being unaware of their surroundings; doesn't happen with Scottish drivers they are fully aware of the risk and drive safe.
So even with humans at the wheel, they still get hit? We shouldn't be surprised if an autonomous vehicle hits one too then, should we.
Volvo famously design their cars to withstand moose impact, as that is a frequent accident in their home country , and that again is with human drivers.
absolutely not, only an incompetent driver would drive at such speeds they could not stop should someone or something appear in front of them
and as for self drive cars, there is simply NO EXCUSE, these cars should be designed to be fail safe, of which they have been proven not to be.
self drive automated cars are a danger to all life around them
Well that's a pretty daft statement because at any speed, someone or something might suddenly appear that you couldn't stop in time to avoid crashing into it.
I don't think you understand what the term "fail safe" actually means.
Autonomous cars are MUCH safer than human driven cars.
Take it you don't drive
if you do, you need to consider re-sitting your driving test
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Seriously; if you believe your statement above, you should not be driving, you are a danger to yourself and all others around you
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I do drive, who would you rather be on the road with, me or an autonomous vehicle?"Neither as you have made it very clear you are just as bad at driving as an autonomous vehicle, as you clearly drive too fast for the road conditions in front of you and you are incompetent to stop safely should someone or something pull out in front of you. . I am being serious, YOU should seriously consider resitting your driving test before you hurt someone, just like your beloved autonomous vehicle. | |||
"The loss of a human life is terrible in any situation but having seen the footage released from the car I feel it’s extremely unfair to blame Uber !! The woman in question was crossing a 2 lane road extremely late at night ( pitch black ) with a bike and she is only visible before the crash for a mere second , I don’t even think a human could have prevented the tragedy Agreed the woman was a complete moron crossing in the dark no reflective gear. We get that all the time in Scotland, in the dark or broad day light, "they" are called deer, including 300lb big reds
And do people ever hit them?
you do get a few tourists, immigrants and other incompetent drivers unable to stop due to being unaware of their surroundings; doesn't happen with Scottish drivers they are fully aware of the risk and drive safe.
So even with humans at the wheel, they still get hit? We shouldn't be surprised if an autonomous vehicle hits one too then, should we.
Volvo famously design their cars to withstand moose impact, as that is a frequent accident in their home country , and that again is with human drivers.
absolutely not, only an incompetent driver would drive at such speeds they could not stop should someone or something appear in front of them
and as for self drive cars, there is simply NO EXCUSE, these cars should be designed to be fail safe, of which they have been proven not to be.
self drive automated cars are a danger to all life around them
Well that's a pretty daft statement because at any speed, someone or something might suddenly appear that you couldn't stop in time to avoid crashing into it.
I don't think you understand what the term "fail safe" actually means.
Autonomous cars are MUCH safer than human driven cars.
Take it you don't drive
if you do, you need to consider re-sitting your driving test
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Seriously; if you believe your statement above, you should not be driving, you are a danger to yourself and all others around you
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I do drive, who would you rather be on the road with, me or an autonomous vehicle?
Neither
as you have made it very clear you are just as bad at driving as an autonomous vehicle, as you clearly drive too fast for the road conditions in front of you and you are incompetent to stop safely should someone or something pull out in front of you.
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I am being serious, YOU should seriously consider resitting your driving test before you hurt someone, just like your beloved autonomous vehicle."No, nothing wrong with my driving. | |||
Yesterday I had a jogger who looked at me in a 30 area made a judgement that she had plenty of time to run across the road:
Unfortunately she tripped I did stop in time but it should not have happened anyway | |||
"The loss of a human life is terrible in any situation but having seen the footage released from the car I feel it’s extremely unfair to blame Uber !! The woman in question was crossing a 2 lane road extremely late at night ( pitch black ) with a bike and she is only visible before the crash for a mere second , I don’t even think a human could have prevented the tragedy Agreed the woman was a complete moron crossing in the dark no reflective gear. We get that all the time in Scotland, in the dark or broad day light, "they" are called deer, including 300lb big reds
And do people ever hit them?
you do get a few tourists, immigrants and other incompetent drivers unable to stop due to being unaware of their surroundings; doesn't happen with Scottish drivers they are fully aware of the risk and drive safe.
So even with humans at the wheel, they still get hit? We shouldn't be surprised if an autonomous vehicle hits one too then, should we.
Volvo famously design their cars to withstand moose impact, as that is a frequent accident in their home country , and that again is with human drivers.
absolutely not, only an incompetent driver would drive at such speeds they could not stop should someone or something appear in front of them
and as for self drive cars, there is simply NO EXCUSE, these cars should be designed to be fail safe, of which they have been proven not to be.
self drive automated cars are a danger to all life around them
Well that's a pretty daft statement because at any speed, someone or something might suddenly appear that you couldn't stop in time to avoid crashing into it.
I don't think you understand what the term "fail safe" actually means.
Autonomous cars are MUCH safer than human driven cars.
Take it you don't drive
if you do, you need to consider re-sitting your driving test
.
Seriously; if you believe your statement above, you should not be driving, you are a danger to yourself and all others around you
.
I do drive, who would you rather be on the road with, me or an autonomous vehicle?
Neither
as you have made it very clear you are just as bad at driving as an autonomous vehicle, as you clearly drive too fast for the road conditions in front of you and you are incompetent to stop safely should someone or something pull out in front of you.
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I am being serious, YOU should seriously consider resitting your driving test before you hurt someone, just like your beloved autonomous vehicle.
No, nothing wrong with my driving. "you have made it very clear you are just as bad at driving as an autonomous vehicle, as you clearly drive too fast for the road conditions in front of you and you are incompetent to stop safely should someone or something pull out in front of you. . I am being serious, YOU should seriously consider resitting your driving test before you hurt someone. . Driving is unpredictable and if something unexpected happens on the road ahead – such as a child stepping out from between parked cars – it is a driver’s speed that will determine whether they can stop in time and, if they can’t stop, how hard they will hit. . Again, your comments have made it clear, you are a danger to yourself and everyone around you, please reconsider and resit your driving test | |||
"https://youtu.be/uNs_52FyVBo Check out this video at 3:01 Could any driver, autonomous or human have avoided this collision? " Would you have avoided this? | |||
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"Surely that uber vehicle is using radar and FLIR not just a visible light camera?! Surely! Belt and braces? " On this site shouldn't that be stockings and suspenders? | |||
" Really? Since there are few autonomous cars compared with driver cars you'd need to express the incident rate relative to miles covered - I doubt driverless cars have covered enough miles so far to get meaningful statistics on incidents?" http://bigthink.com/ideafeed/googles-self-driving-car-is-ridiculously-safe.amp "Google spokeswoman Jacquelyn Miller (via Cyrus Farivar of Ars Technica) recently made the following announcement regarding her company's fleet of self-driving death machines: "We just got rear-ended again yesterday while stopped at a stoplight in Mountain View. That's two incidents just in the last week where a driver rear-ended us while we were completely stopped at a light! So that brings the tally to 13 minor fender-benders in more than 1.8 million miles of autonomous and manual driving — and still, not once was the self-driving car the cause of the accident.” | |||
"sit back and smile . whilst you all sit and wait for your beloved autonomous cars, I will be the car in front, The Toyota Hilux will take me all places autonomous cars will not go
"But will an autonomous vehicle hubristically overstate it's driving ability?, you know those planes you take to America every 5 minutes?... shhhhhhhh it ain't the pilot flying it | |||
"sit back and smile . whilst you all sit and wait for your beloved autonomous cars, I will be the car in front, The Toyota Hilux will take me all places autonomous cars will not go
But will an autonomous vehicle hubristically overstate it's driving ability?, you know those planes you take to America every 5 minutes?... shhhhhhhh it ain't the pilot flying it"actually it is the pilot who fly's the plane on my United flights, especially with take off and landing, on climb and altitude he may switch to auto pilot but he is still in charge, and he will land the plane who do you fly with dear lad. | |||
"The loss of a human life is terrible in any situation but having seen the footage released from the car I feel it’s extremely unfair to blame Uber !! The woman in question was crossing a 2 lane road extremely late at night ( pitch black ) with a bike and she is only visible before the crash for a mere second , I don’t even think a human could have prevented the tragedy Agreed the woman was a complete moron crossing in the dark no reflective gear. We get that all the time in Scotland, in the dark or broad day light, "they" are called deer, including 300lb big reds
And do people ever hit them?
you do get a few tourists, immigrants and other incompetent drivers unable to stop due to being unaware of their surroundings; doesn't happen with Scottish drivers they are fully aware of the risk and drive safe."patent nonsense .. | |||
"The loss of a human life is terrible in any situation but having seen the footage released from the car I feel it’s extremely unfair to blame Uber !! The woman in question was crossing a 2 lane road extremely late at night ( pitch black ) with a bike and she is only visible before the crash for a mere second , I don’t even think a human could have prevented the tragedy Agreed the woman was a complete moron crossing in the dark no reflective gear. We get that all the time in Scotland, in the dark or broad day light, "they" are called deer, including 300lb big reds
And do people ever hit them?
you do get a few tourists, immigrants and other incompetent drivers unable to stop due to being unaware of their surroundings; doesn't happen with Scottish drivers they are fully aware of the risk and drive safe.
patent nonsense ..
"just going by the call outs I get for the A9 from Perth to Bruar normally tourists, immigrants incompetent drivers that are sitting at side of road with police awaiting on a tow truck what experience of this do you have? | |||
"The loss of a human life is terrible in any situation but having seen the footage released from the car I feel it’s extremely unfair to blame Uber !! The woman in question was crossing a 2 lane road extremely late at night ( pitch black ) with a bike and she is only visible before the crash for a mere second , I don’t even think a human could have prevented the tragedy Agreed the woman was a complete moron crossing in the dark no reflective gear. We get that all the time in Scotland, in the dark or broad day light, "they" are called deer, including 300lb big reds
And do people ever hit them?
you do get a few tourists, immigrants and other incompetent drivers unable to stop due to being unaware of their surroundings; doesn't happen with Scottish drivers they are fully aware of the risk and drive safe.
patent nonsense ..
just going by the call outs I get for the A9 from Perth to Bruar
normally tourists, immigrants incompetent drivers that are sitting at side of road with police awaiting on a tow truck
what experience of this do you have?"in the wonderful world of modern communication one has access to information, particularly from police Scotland, Scottish heritage and the deer initiative.. its fine saying 'in my limited experience' i go out etc etc but the stats do not tell the same story for Scotland as a country.. ditto down here where we have a smaller number of deer although with the numbers have trebled countrywide over the past ten years more deer are struck outside Scotland purely down to higher traffic volumes.. it would be patent nonsense to say as you have that its down to tourists and immigrants, wherever it occurs.. | |||
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" I wonder what the rate of accidents of autonomous cars vs intoxicated/irresponsible drivers is, as that is how governments will assess it. It's not even just a case of irresponsible/d*unk drivers. Humans just miscalculate things or don't react quickly enough. Studies show over 90% of acccidents are due to driver error. There will be downsides and difficulties to automation but in the final tallying, it will save lives. Humans can't be hacked. It's a cyber terrorists wet dream. Hacking is a risk to be mitigated, not a reason to abandon the whole idea. And some experts seem to think it's handleable - theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/30/self-driving-cars-hackers-security" I tell you what...... if you can sort out a universal basic income for the displaced drivers (oh and the 3.5 billion and rising in poverty while you're at it )...I'll start to buy into your utopia of "mitigated risks". Meanwhile, I'll continuing reading about how the haves of the world have treated the have nots over history and ignoring articles in the guardian (for my own sanity). Again, it's about iatrogenics of seemingly beneficial technologies. Or did you want to assfuck the british economy in return for sharing cat videos with your mates around the world? | |||
" I wonder what the rate of accidents of autonomous cars vs intoxicated/irresponsible drivers is, as that is how governments will assess it. It's not even just a case of irresponsible/d*unk drivers. Humans just miscalculate things or don't react quickly enough. Studies show over 90% of acccidents are due to driver error. There will be downsides and difficulties to automation but in the final tallying, it will save lives. Humans can't be hacked. It's a cyber terrorists wet dream. Hacking is a risk to be mitigated, not a reason to abandon the whole idea. And some experts seem to think it's handleable - theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/30/self-driving-cars-hackers-security I tell you what...... if you can sort out a universal basic income for the displaced drivers (oh and the 3.5 billion and rising in poverty while you're at it )...I'll start to buy into your utopia of "mitigated risks". Meanwhile, I'll continuing reading about how the haves of the world have treated the have nots over history and ignoring articles in the guardian (for my own sanity). Again, it's about iatrogenics of seemingly beneficial technologies. Or did you want to assfuck the british economy in return for sharing cat videos with your mates around the world? "A. Automation is coming whether we like it or not. Yes, UBI would be one potential way of dealing with the situation. What is your proposal - a world wide ban on developing automation tech? How are you going to implement that? B. If you don't want to read an article featuring experts on a topic just because it's in a paper you don't like, maybe don't bother to reply to a comment that cites said article? C. I have no idea what cat videos have to do with automated vehicles but I guess you're just trying to be funny here, so I'll give you a virtual pat on the head for effort and move on. | |||
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"On (A) my proposal is a collective sense of being careful what you wish for - we are debating the merits of these things here after all. Remember that technologies need adopters. Or rejectors... There are many risks to be considered and the lack of solutions to unemployment is one. I find it confusing when socialists push for capitalism in "tech" and demonise it everywhere else. On (C) you need to read it again, I was talking about Brexit. " Given that all I did in this thread was point out the safety benefits of automated cars, and post an article about the hacking risks, I'm not sure how you gather any more than that about my opinions on capitalism in tech. I've never said it is without risk or issues to address. Seems you just wanted a chance to have a little rant, but next time maybe actually attack things people have said, not some imaginary tech cheerleader socialist (I'm not one) in your head. I'm still none the wiser on the connection between cat videos, Brexit, and automatic cars, but don't bother to explain, I doubt I'm missing anything important. | |||
" I've never said it is without risk or issues to address. " Fair enough but you did hint that one of the biggest risks can be downplayed because "some experts" "seem to think". | |||
" I've never said it is without risk or issues to address. Fair enough but you did hint that one of the biggest risks can be downplayed because "some experts" "seem to think". " This is just silly. You're now attempting to dismiss expert opinions that by your own admission you haven't even read, purely because you want to believe the opposite. Very scientific. Given that we're just down to your preconceived opinions I think we can leave this one here. | |||
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