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over a year ago
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Lots of threads popping up blaming everything on Brexit.
The economy, the closure of Toys r us, The beast from the east, an old lady falling over. All Brexits fault 
It's happening, lets just move forward please, hope for the best and prepare for the worst |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"BBC panorama on brexit might answer few of the questions 
What questions?"
Questions around economy which lead to closures of businesses and old ladies falling  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"BBC panorama on brexit might answer few of the questions
What questions?
Questions around economy which lead to closures of businesses and old ladies falling "
Wonder if they're skimping on materials used in zimmerframes 
Britain wasn't in great shape before the referendum. Brexit has just become a scapegoat |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Granted, we aren't too well versed politically, but it just feels insane that the government are moving ahead with a plan that literally just under half of their country voted against.
Cannot fathom how on earth it's going ahead.
We both voted leave, purely down the fact that we felt something needed to change here instead of continuing the doldrum that it seemed to be. After seeing the aftermath? Shouldn't have voted at all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Granted, we aren't too well versed politically, but it just feels insane that the government are moving ahead with a plan that literally just under half of their country voted against.
Cannot fathom how on earth it's going ahead.
We both voted leave, purely down the fact that we felt something needed to change here instead of continuing the doldrum that it seemed to be. After seeing the aftermath? Shouldn't have voted at all. "
Because just of half of their country voted in favour of it. It's called Democracy..... |
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"Granted, we aren't too well versed politically, but it just feels insane that the government are moving ahead with a plan that literally just under half of their country voted against.
Cannot fathom how on earth it's going ahead.
We both voted leave, purely down the fact that we felt something needed to change here instead of continuing the doldrum that it seemed to be. After seeing the aftermath? Shouldn't have voted at all. "
The people at the top of the government May, Hammond, rudd etc clearly don't believe in it but feel they are bound to act on the referendum result.
It's a bizarre situation where we have a government pursuing a policy it believes will make the country less prosperous. |
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"Granted, we aren't too well versed politically, but it just feels insane that the government are moving ahead with a plan that literally just under half of their country voted against.
Cannot fathom how on earth it's going ahead.
We both voted leave, purely down the fact that we felt something needed to change here instead of continuing the doldrum that it seemed to be. After seeing the aftermath? Shouldn't have voted at all. "
because more people voted to leave. Everyone knew it was a vote. Even if it was won by one vote one way or the other, it should be that simple. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Granted, we aren't too well versed politically, but it just feels insane that the government are moving ahead with a plan that literally just under half of their country voted against.
Cannot fathom how on earth it's going ahead.
We both voted leave, purely down the fact that we felt something needed to change here instead of continuing the doldrum that it seemed to be. After seeing the aftermath? Shouldn't have voted at all.
Because just of half of their country voted in favour of it. It's called Democracy....."
Surely the 'democratic' thing to do would be find a Brexit that works for the whole country not just half?
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"Granted, we aren't too well versed politically, but it just feels insane that the government are moving ahead with a plan that literally just under half of their country voted against.
Cannot fathom how on earth it's going ahead.
We both voted leave, purely down the fact that we felt something needed to change here instead of continuing the doldrum that it seemed to be. After seeing the aftermath? Shouldn't have voted at all. "
You cannot fathom how the government are proceeding with something you voted for ?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Granted, we aren't too well versed politically, but it just feels insane that the government are moving ahead with a plan that literally just under half of their country voted against.
Cannot fathom how on earth it's going ahead.
We both voted leave, purely down the fact that we felt something needed to change here instead of continuing the doldrum that it seemed to be. After seeing the aftermath? Shouldn't have voted at all. because more people voted to leave. Everyone knew it was a vote. Even if it was won by one vote one way or the other, it should be that simple. "
I agree with the move on, it’s happening sentiment. But, It was a referendum and not a legally binding vote. It is only political self serving behaviour that makes a government steam ahead without a firm plan. That’s only my opinion and therefore probably wrong |
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Flooding the UK with foreigners is just making the rich richer and the poor poorer.
The fat cats get cheap labour and we get lower wages.
Also being dictated to by Brussels is just a way of destroying British industry.
Out is the way forward. |
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"Lots of threads popping up blaming everything on Brexit.
The economy, the closure of Toys r us, The beast from the east, an old lady falling over. All Brexits fault
It's happening, lets just move forward please, hope for the best and prepare for the worst"
“Let’s hope for the best” fucking hell OP, there isn’t one single scenario where Brexit is good for this country except for the Tory millionaires and their Billionaire mates directing them to create an unregulated tax haven which won’t be subject to the European Court Of Justice and can ignore the UN and IMF closure of tax avoidance loop holes. There is no one in industry who wanted or supports Brexit except that prick Dyson and others of his ilk who have offshored their manufacturing and now don’t want to pay their taxes.
Now exactly how do we ‘prepare for the worst’? If you have any ideas let the government know would you? The government cannot pretend to not know how pitifully weak this island will be when we are excluded from the single market. Then it will come down to desperate negotiations for trade deals that will be essential to stopping this country collapsing. With the Trumpet fucknuts in the USA who would insist we accept their chicken washed in chlorine and Russians who can do whatever they want including releasing nerve agents. Britain would be everybody’s bitch. We are so fucked. |
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"Lots of threads popping up blaming everything on Brexit.
The economy, the closure of Toys r us, The beast from the east, an old lady falling over. All Brexits fault
It's happening, lets just move forward please, hope for the best and prepare for the worst
“Let’s hope for the best” fucking hell OP, there isn’t one single scenario where Brexit is good for this country except for the Tory millionaires and their Billionaire mates directing them to create an unregulated tax haven which won’t be subject to the European Court Of Justice and can ignore the UN and IMF closure of tax avoidance loop holes. There is no one in industry who wanted or supports Brexit except that prick Dyson and others of his ilk who have offshored their manufacturing and now don’t want to pay their taxes.
Now exactly how do we ‘prepare for the worst’? If you have any ideas let the government know would you? The government cannot pretend to not know how pitifully weak this island will be when we are excluded from the single market. Then it will come down to desperate negotiations for trade deals that will be essential to stopping this country collapsing. With the Trumpet fucknuts in the USA who would insist we accept their chicken washed in chlorine and Russians who can do whatever they want including releasing nerve agents. Britain would be everybody’s bitch. We are so fucked."
But after they sell off the NHS to the highest bidders and with all the health insurance we will have to buy afterwards they will be loaded  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Lots of threads popping up blaming everything on Brexit.
The economy, the closure of Toys r us, The beast from the east, an old lady falling over. All Brexits fault
It's happening, lets just move forward please, hope for the best and prepare for the worst
“Let’s hope for the best” fucking hell OP, there isn’t one single scenario where Brexit is good for this country except for the Tory millionaires and their Billionaire mates directing them to create an unregulated tax haven which won’t be subject to the European Court Of Justice and can ignore the UN and IMF closure of tax avoidance loop holes. There is no one in industry who wanted or supports Brexit except that prick Dyson and others of his ilk who have offshored their manufacturing and now don’t want to pay their taxes.
Now exactly how do we ‘prepare for the worst’? If you have any ideas let the government know would you? The government cannot pretend to not know how pitifully weak this island will be when we are excluded from the single market. Then it will come down to desperate negotiations for trade deals that will be essential to stopping this country collapsing. With the Trumpet fucknuts in the USA who would insist we accept their chicken washed in chlorine and Russians who can do whatever they want including releasing nerve agents. Britain would be everybody’s bitch. We are so fucked."
Interesting theory’s. Be interested to see any facts in your argument if you’re going to present one |
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"Lots of threads popping up blaming everything on Brexit.
The economy, the closure of Toys r us, The beast from the east, an old lady falling over. All Brexits fault
It's happening, lets just move forward please, hope for the best and prepare for the worst"
True, but then when there is any good news that is immediately claimed to be a result of brexit.
So suck it up brexit snowflakes.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Granted, we aren't too well versed politically, but it just feels insane that the government are moving ahead with a plan that literally just under half of their country voted against.
Cannot fathom how on earth it's going ahead.
We both voted leave, purely down the fact that we felt something needed to change here instead of continuing the doldrum that it seemed to be. After seeing the aftermath? Shouldn't have voted at all.
Because just of half of their country voted in favour of it. It's called Democracy.....
Surely the 'democratic' thing to do would be find a Brexit that works for the whole country not just half?
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Some common sense,a rare commodity here |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Granted, we aren't too well versed politically, but it just feels insane that the government are moving ahead with a plan that literally just under half of their country voted against.
Cannot fathom how on earth it's going ahead.
We both voted leave, purely down the fact that we felt something needed to change here instead of continuing the doldrum that it seemed to be. After seeing the aftermath? Shouldn't have voted at all.
Because just of half of their country voted in favour of it. It's called Democracy.....
Surely the 'democratic' thing to do would be find a Brexit that works for the whole country not just half?
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How do you suggest they do that? |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Even if it was won by one vote one way or the other, it should be that simple. "
Sorry but that is complete nonsense. With anything in life to make a success of a decision, you need consensus. A 50/50 split is not a mandate for anything other for the Govt to work harder to resolve the division.
Pursuing a policy that 50% of the population is against and which we now know will make the country poorer and less influential is not good politics. |
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"Even if it was won by one vote one way or the other, it should be that simple.
Sorry but that is complete nonsense. With anything in life to make a success of a decision, you need consensus. A 50/50 split is not a mandate for anything other for the Govt to work harder to resolve the division.
Pursuing a policy that 50% of the population is against and which we now know will make the country poorer and less influential is not good politics."
The vote wasn't a 50/50 split it was 52% for and 48% against which when I went to school was 4% more in favour and brexiteers are supposed to be thick!Too many armchair experts and merchants of doom on here! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lots of threads popping up blaming everything on Brexit.
The economy, the closure of Toys r us, The beast from the east, an old lady falling over. All Brexits fault
It's happening, lets just move forward please, hope for the best and prepare for the worst
True, but then when there is any good news that is immediately claimed to be a result of brexit.
So suck it up brexit snowflakes.
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How did you vote? |
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Also being dictated to by Brussels is just a way of destroying British industry."
Odd that the vast majority of businesses were for Remain, then.
Almost like the evil Brussels bogeyman is an invention of right wing types who don't like the EU purely because it involves nasty foreigners. |
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"Even if it was won by one vote one way or the other, it should be that simple.
Sorry but that is complete nonsense. With anything in life to make a success of a decision, you need consensus. A 50/50 split is not a mandate for anything other for the Govt to work harder to resolve the division.
Pursuing a policy that 50% of the population is against and which we now know will make the country poorer and less influential is not good politics."
The question on the ballot paper was this:
"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"
Nothing ambiguous about that.
It wasn't 50/50. 51.89% voted to leave. 48.11% voted to remain. |
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"How did you vote?"
I voted out, but for very different reasons to those of the usual brexit snowflake. In fact I regularly tell everyone exactly why I voted out, seems only part of the message got through to some, others (the ones who call me a remoaner) seem to have missed the whole message. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Even if it was won by one vote one way or the other, it should be that simple.
Sorry but that is complete nonsense. With anything in life to make a success of a decision, you need consensus. A 50/50 split is not a mandate for anything other for the Govt to work harder to resolve the division.
Pursuing a policy that 50% of the population is against and which we now know will make the country poorer and less influential is not good politics.The vote wasn't a 50/50 split it was 52% for and 48% against which when I went to school was 4% more in favour and brexiteers are supposed to be thick!Too many armchair experts and merchants of doom on here!"
Regardless of your pedantry, the government should have looked at the result of their non-binding advisory referendum and used it as what it was designed for, advice. They should then have sat down and dug a bit deeper, done some actual analysis of the options and costed up some scenarios and then come back to the electorate for a vote on an actual plan.
-Matt |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How did you vote?
I voted out, but for very different reasons to those of the usual brexit snowflake. In fact I regularly tell everyone exactly why I voted out, seems only part of the message got through to some, others (the ones who call me a remoaner) seem to have missed the whole message."
Very different reasons to those of the usual Brexit snowflake?
Does that make you an unusual Brexit snowflake then?
Everyone who voted leave or remain had different reasons for doing so. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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The country voted to leave the EU and I think most people accept that.
It must be the only referendum to have been carried out blind - there was no plan, no white paper, no nothing.
Why? Because it is the first time I can recall a Government holding a referendum to endorse the status quo.
Bonkers.
Because there was no plan, no vision, no white paper, there is no roadmap for implementing the outcome of the referendum.
It's down solely to the political priorities of those who happen to be in power when it is being implemented.
There are various options and outcomes.
Unfortunately, instead of trying to leave the EU in a way that reconciles the division in the country, we are led by a government held captive by the extreme element of one side of the debate. It doesn't have to be like this. |
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"Even if it was won by one vote one way or the other, it should be that simple.
Sorry but that is complete nonsense. With anything in life to make a success of a decision, you need consensus. A 50/50 split is not a mandate for anything other for the Govt to work harder to resolve the division.
Pursuing a policy that 50% of the population is against and which we now know will make the country poorer and less influential is not good politics.The vote wasn't a 50/50 split it was 52% for and 48% against which when I went to school was 4% more in favour and brexiteers are supposed to be thick!Too many armchair experts and merchants of doom on here!
Regardless of your pedantry, the government should have looked at the result of their non-binding advisory referendum and used it as what it was designed for, advice. They should then have sat down and dug a bit deeper, done some actual analysis of the options and costed up some scenarios and then come back to the electorate for a vote on an actual plan.
-Matt"
Didn't the PM do that when she called the General Election? |
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"The vote wasn't a 50/50 split it was 52% for and 48% against which when I went to school was 4% more in favour and brexiteers are supposed to be thick!Too many armchair experts and merchants of doom on here!"
Which leads us to the fact that with a 72% turnout only 37% of the population voted for Brexit in a non binding referendum.
A referendum that was called to solve problems in the Tory party and was then hijacked by the extreme right and the leave campaign funded by billionaires (whose interests do you think they have at heart?) and a lot of neocon money from the USA. Try researching 'Atlantic Bridge' for a start.
Hence the complete and utter rubbish propaganda before the vote (like £350 million for the NHS) which influenced those who didn't have a clue.
It may come as a surprise to little englander Brexit voters that they weren’t voting to leave Europe but to destroy it. It wasn’t a vote against globalisation but for Anglo-American globalisation. Neo-conservatism is back in the form of a new unelected junta about to take control of Britain.
'Take back control' is laughable the exact opposite is about to happen and young people (75% of 18 to 24-year-olds voted to remain) have had their futures ripped away by their elders.
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"Flooding the UK with foreigners is just making the rich richer and the poor poorer.
The fat cats get cheap labour and we get lower wages.
Also being dictated to by Brussels is just a way of destroying British industry.
Out is the way forward."
This is an excellent example of the ignorance that has left us in this mess we’re in now. |
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"The vote wasn't a 50/50 split it was 52% for and 48% against which when I went to school was 4% more in favour and brexiteers are supposed to be thick!Too many armchair experts and merchants of doom on here!
Which leads us to the fact that with a 72% turnout only 37% of the population voted for Brexit in a non binding referendum.
A referendum that was called to solve problems in the Tory party and was then hijacked by the extreme right and the leave campaign funded by billionaires (whose interests do you think they have at heart?) and a lot of neocon money from the USA. Try researching 'Atlantic Bridge' for a start.
Hence the complete and utter rubbish propaganda before the vote (like £350 million for the NHS) which influenced those who didn't have a clue.
It may come as a surprise to little englander Brexit voters that they weren’t voting to leave Europe but to destroy it. It wasn’t a vote against globalisation but for Anglo-American globalisation. Neo-conservatism is back in the form of a new unelected junta about to take control of Britain.
'Take back control' is laughable the exact opposite is about to happen and young people (75% of 18 to 24-year-olds voted to remain) have had their futures ripped away by their elders.
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Their futures ripped away? Did we 'have control' in the EU?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgLp0RqmOFM
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Anyone who voted to stay in should look at the crime and immigration problems in Europe.
Secondly look at the economies in Europe it should be obvious it will break abart soon because of how it is structured (one single currency but national bonds). |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Even if it was won by one vote one way or the other, it should be that simple.
Sorry but that is complete nonsense. With anything in life to make a success of a decision, you need consensus. A 50/50 split is not a mandate for anything other for the Govt to work harder to resolve the division.
Pursuing a policy that 50% of the population is against and which we now know will make the country poorer and less influential is not good politics.The vote wasn't a 50/50 split it was 52% for and 48% against which when I went to school was 4% more in favour and brexiteers are supposed to be thick!Too many armchair experts and merchants of doom on here!
Regardless of your pedantry, the government should have looked at the result of their non-binding advisory referendum and used it as what it was designed for, advice. They should then have sat down and dug a bit deeper, done some actual analysis of the options and costed up some scenarios and then come back to the electorate for a vote on an actual plan.
-Matt
Didn't the PM do that when she called the General Election?"
No.
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Anyone who voted to stay in should look at the crime and immigration problems in Europe.
Secondly look at the economies in Europe it should be obvious it will break abart soon because of how it is structured (one single currency but national bonds). "
What about it? Of the 27 other EU members only 6 are higher than the U.K in the Crime Index. So you are suggesting that the majority of the EU have lower crime levels than here in the U.K.? So what do you think leaving the EU is going to do to help that?
If you want to link immigration with crime then this would seem to imply that the EU membership is not the issue here.
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"Brexit now would take less than 40% of the public vote. Votes have now realised they made an irrational decision."
Another couple of armchair experts join the fray!Where did you get that figure from then? I can't say anyone I know as changed their mind, judging from the figure you are quoting I should know a number!
We had a vote and if you believe in democracy you would accept that decision whether you think it right or wrong. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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We had a vote and if you believe in democracy you would accept that decision whether you think it right or wrong."
Why would anyone in their right mind continue down a path of evident catastrophe - just because others decided it was the right thing for them to do.
Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
Democracy is fluid, it doesn’t stop dead in the water at any given point in time and it is healthy because of that.
If Brexiters are so absolutely sure of their convictions they should be celebrating every challenge and the possibility of a final vote on any deal ‘negotiated’ (ahem) because if they are so right - nothing would ever change would it? The reality is that you know it was a fluke and given a second opportunity common sense would prevail over knuckleheadedness. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Knuckleheadidness ? We are just ppl with different opinions same as ever election "
I don’t doubt that there were vast numbers of perfectly rational and ordinary people who voted Leave for their own reasons. However, it was not the fair minded middle ground that won the referendum it was the knuckle heads who drove it and won over the complacency of the middle ground.
We have been through this before and you seem determined to shoulder the responsibility of everyone who voted Leave. You don’t have to. I don’t share the thoughts of a number of vocal Remainers, and so when people refer to Bob Geldof as a dipshit - I don’t think that they are calling me a dipshit too.
Not all Leave voters were knuckleheaded, racist fuckwits. That is obvious. But what is also obvious is that there were a significant number of knucklehead, racist fuckwits who all did vote Brexit. The extremists won the day. I find it incredible that you can’t see that. |
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"Lots of threads popping up blaming everything on Brexit.
The economy, the closure of Toys r us, The beast from the east, an old lady falling over. All Brexits fault
It's happening, lets just move forward please, hope for the best and prepare for the worst
“Let’s hope for the best” fucking hell OP, there isn’t one single scenario where Brexit is good for this country except for the Tory millionaires and their Billionaire mates directing them to create an unregulated tax haven which won’t be subject to the European Court Of Justice and can ignore the UN and IMF closure of tax avoidance loop holes. There is no one in industry who wanted or supports Brexit except that prick Dyson and others of his ilk who have offshored their manufacturing and now don’t want to pay their taxes.
Now exactly how do we ‘prepare for the worst’? If you have any ideas let the government know would you? The government cannot pretend to not know how pitifully weak this island will be when we are excluded from the single market. Then it will come down to desperate negotiations for trade deals that will be essential to stopping this country collapsing. With the Trumpet fucknuts in the USA who would insist we accept their chicken washed in chlorine and Russians who can do whatever they want including releasing nerve agents. Britain would be everybody’s bitch. We are so fucked.
Interesting theory’s. Be interested to see any facts in your argument if you’re going to present one"
Tell you what OP try and find a single piece of substantiated analysis released by Pro Brexit campaigners that can be agreed by financial and economic independent experts to show Britain will be better off out of the single market.
The truth of the matter is that the referendum required you and me and the rest of the country to vote on a decision that maybe less than a couple of thousand people were qualified enough to have any idea or expertise in knowing what effect it would have on the economy. People voted leave because they hated how many immigrants were over here, people voted leave because they saw a red bus with a load of lies written on the side, people voted leave because they believed the bullshit Boris Johnson was spouting.
OP what theories do you have on why the majority of young people wanted to stay in the European Union? Do you have a theory on why the anti-European think tanks and pressure groups were funded exclusively by Millionaires and Billionaires? Why for all these years haven’t the Unions, Industry etc been financing leave Europe campaigns if it’s better to leave? Why has it only been the far right campaigning to leave Europe and no liberal or socialist groups if it’s obvious that it would be in the country’s best interest to leave? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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The companies getting into financial difficulties are doing so because of high debt, competition from internet sales (in part to the tax avoidance if such firms) and a retail downturn as the population stops spending money that they don't have because their incomes have been falling relative to prices.
We are also heading into another global recession.
Luckily our domestic market is one of the biggest and wealthiest on the planet as it covers an entire continent with trade deals with a large number of other wealthy countries so we should be able to weather it.
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We had a vote and if you believe in democracy you would accept that decision whether you think it right or wrong.
Why would anyone in their right mind continue down a path of evident catastrophe - just because others decided it was the right thing for them to do.
Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
Democracy is fluid, it doesn’t stop dead in the water at any given point in time and it is healthy because of that.
If Brexiters are so absolutely sure of their convictions they should be celebrating every challenge and the possibility of a final vote on any deal ‘negotiated’ (ahem) because if they are so right - nothing would ever change would it? The reality is that you know it was a fluke and given a second opportunity common sense would prevail over knuckleheadedness."
So did you want "double or quit" with the vote until you got the answer you wanted!?
To quote a famous book (slight alteration) "All voters are equal but some are more equal than others"- bet you didn't realise knuckleheads could read! |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Knuckleheadidness ? We are just ppl with different opinions same as ever election
I don’t doubt that there were vast numbers of perfectly rational and ordinary people who voted Leave for their own reasons. However, it was not the fair minded middle ground that won the referendum it was the knuckle heads who drove it and won over the complacency of the middle ground.
We have been through this before and you seem determined to shoulder the responsibility of everyone who voted Leave. You don’t have to. I don’t share the thoughts of a number of vocal Remainers, and so when people refer to Bob Geldof as a dipshit - I don’t think that they are calling me a dipshit too.
Not all Leave voters were knuckleheaded, racist fuckwits. That is obvious. But what is also obvious is that there were a significant number of knucklehead, racist fuckwits who all did vote Brexit. The extremists won the day. I find it incredible that you can’t see that."
Bob Geldof - Dipshit
Brexiters- knuckleheads
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Knuckleheadidness ? We are just ppl with different opinions same as ever election
I don’t doubt that there were vast numbers of perfectly rational and ordinary people who voted Leave for their own reasons. However, it was not the fair minded middle ground that won the referendum it was the knuckle heads who drove it and won over the complacency of the middle ground.
We have been through this before and you seem determined to shoulder the responsibility of everyone who voted Leave. You don’t have to. I don’t share the thoughts of a number of vocal Remainers, and so when people refer to Bob Geldof as a dipshit - I don’t think that they are calling me a dipshit too.
Not all Leave voters were knuckleheaded, racist fuckwits. That is obvious. But what is also obvious is that there were a significant number of knucklehead, racist fuckwits who all did vote Brexit. The extremists won the day. I find it incredible that you can’t see that.
Bob Geldof - Dipshit
Brexiters- knuckleheads
Can you see the difference in what you're saying?
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That wasn't actually what was written was it.
Why so sensitive? Do you count yourself amongst the knuckle heads or the not all knuckle heads part of the Brexit voters?
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"Knuckleheadidness ? We are just ppl with different opinions same as ever election
I don’t doubt that there were vast numbers of perfectly rational and ordinary people who voted Leave for their own reasons. However, it was not the fair minded middle ground that won the referendum it was the knuckle heads who drove it and won over the complacency of the middle ground.
We have been through this before and you seem determined to shoulder the responsibility of everyone who voted Leave. You don’t have to. I don’t share the thoughts of a number of vocal Remainers, and so when people refer to Bob Geldof as a dipshit - I don’t think that they are calling me a dipshit too.
Not all Leave voters were knuckleheaded, racist fuckwits. That is obvious. But what is also obvious is that there were a significant number of knucklehead, racist fuckwits who all did vote Brexit. The extremists won the day. I find it incredible that you can’t see that.
Bob Geldof - Dipshit
Brexiters- knuckleheads
Can you see the difference in what you're saying?
That wasn't actually what was written was it.
Why so sensitive? Do you count yourself amongst the knuckle heads or the not all knuckle heads part of the Brexit voters?
Were there no racists who voted for Brexit? Do you think that any voted to remain? "
absolutely, many racists voted remain, especially in Scotland |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Knuckleheadidness ? We are just ppl with different opinions same as ever election
I don’t doubt that there were vast numbers of perfectly rational and ordinary people who voted Leave for their own reasons. However, it was not the fair minded middle ground that won the referendum it was the knuckle heads who drove it and won over the complacency of the middle ground.
We have been through this before and you seem determined to shoulder the responsibility of everyone who voted Leave. You don’t have to. I don’t share the thoughts of a number of vocal Remainers, and so when people refer to Bob Geldof as a dipshit - I don’t think that they are calling me a dipshit too.
Not all Leave voters were knuckleheaded, racist fuckwits. That is obvious. But what is also obvious is that there were a significant number of knucklehead, racist fuckwits who all did vote Brexit. The extremists won the day. I find it incredible that you can’t see that.
Bob Geldof - Dipshit
Brexiters- knuckleheads
Can you see the difference in what you're saying?
That wasn't actually what was written was it.
Why so sensitive? Do you count yourself amongst the knuckle heads or the not all knuckle heads part of the Brexit voters?
Were there no racists who voted for Brexit? Do you think that any voted to remain?
absolutely, many racists voted remain, especially in Scotland"
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Knuckleheadidness ? We are just ppl with different opinions same as ever election
I don’t doubt that there were vast numbers of perfectly rational and ordinary people who voted Leave for their own reasons. However, it was not the fair minded middle ground that won the referendum it was the knuckle heads who drove it and won over the complacency of the middle ground.
We have been through this before and you seem determined to shoulder the responsibility of everyone who voted Leave. You don’t have to. I don’t share the thoughts of a number of vocal Remainers, and so when people refer to Bob Geldof as a dipshit - I don’t think that they are calling me a dipshit too.
Not all Leave voters were knuckleheaded, racist fuckwits. That is obvious. But what is also obvious is that there were a significant number of knucklehead, racist fuckwits who all did vote Brexit. The extremists won the day. I find it incredible that you can’t see that.
Bob Geldof - Dipshit
Brexiters- knuckleheads
Can you see the difference in what you're saying?
That wasn't actually what was written was it.
Why so sensitive? Do you count yourself amongst the knuckle heads or the not all knuckle heads part of the Brexit voters?
Were there no racists who voted for Brexit? Do you think that any voted to remain?
absolutely, many racists voted remain, especially in Scotland"
You won't read this, but somebody might
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-racism-immigrant-prejudice-major-factor-leave-vote-win-study-a7801676.html |
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"Knuckleheadidness ? We are just ppl with different opinions same as ever election
I don’t doubt that there were vast numbers of perfectly rational and ordinary people who voted Leave for their own reasons. However, it was not the fair minded middle ground that won the referendum it was the knuckle heads who drove it and won over the complacency of the middle ground.
We have been through this before and you seem determined to shoulder the responsibility of everyone who voted Leave. You don’t have to. I don’t share the thoughts of a number of vocal Remainers, and so when people refer to Bob Geldof as a dipshit - I don’t think that they are calling me a dipshit too.
Not all Leave voters were knuckleheaded, racist fuckwits. That is obvious. But what is also obvious is that there were a significant number of knucklehead, racist fuckwits who all did vote Brexit. The extremists won the day. I find it incredible that you can’t see that.
Bob Geldof - Dipshit
Brexiters- knuckleheads
Can you see the difference in what you're saying?
That wasn't actually what was written was it.
Why so sensitive? Do you count yourself amongst the knuckle heads or the not all knuckle heads part of the Brexit voters?
Were there no racists who voted for Brexit? Do you think that any voted to remain?
absolutely, many racists voted remain, especially in Scotland
Please explain."
Majority of sectarian Glasgow rangers fans vote remain, well known |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I would imagine that every racist that voted, voted Leave.
And then, I would imagine that the majority that voted Leave, are certainly not racist.
Been done to death now. Move on."
I agree.
Except that I was responding to someone who didn't seem to grasp this. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Knuckleheadidness ? We are just ppl with different opinions same as ever election
I don’t doubt that there were vast numbers of perfectly rational and ordinary people who voted Leave for their own reasons. However, it was not the fair minded middle ground that won the referendum it was the knuckle heads who drove it and won over the complacency of the middle ground.
We have been through this before and you seem determined to shoulder the responsibility of everyone who voted Leave. You don’t have to. I don’t share the thoughts of a number of vocal Remainers, and so when people refer to Bob Geldof as a dipshit - I don’t think that they are calling me a dipshit too.
Not all Leave voters were knuckleheaded, racist fuckwits. That is obvious. But what is also obvious is that there were a significant number of knucklehead, racist fuckwits who all did vote Brexit. The extremists won the day. I find it incredible that you can’t see that.
Bob Geldof - Dipshit
Brexiters- knuckleheads
Can you see the difference in what you're saying?
That wasn't actually what was written was it.
Why so sensitive? Do you count yourself amongst the knuckle heads or the not all knuckle heads part of the Brexit voters?
Were there no racists who voted for Brexit? Do you think that any voted to remain?
absolutely, many racists voted remain, especially in Scotland
Please explain.
Majority of sectarian Glasgow rangers fans vote remain, well known"
You do, of course, have evidence of this or do you just "know"? 
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"Knuckleheadidness ? We are just ppl with different opinions same as ever election
I don’t doubt that there were vast numbers of perfectly rational and ordinary people who voted Leave for their own reasons. However, it was not the fair minded middle ground that won the referendum it was the knuckle heads who drove it and won over the complacency of the middle ground.
We have been through this before and you seem determined to shoulder the responsibility of everyone who voted Leave. You don’t have to. I don’t share the thoughts of a number of vocal Remainers, and so when people refer to Bob Geldof as a dipshit - I don’t think that they are calling me a dipshit too.
Not all Leave voters were knuckleheaded, racist fuckwits. That is obvious. But what is also obvious is that there were a significant number of knucklehead, racist fuckwits who all did vote Brexit. The extremists won the day. I find it incredible that you can’t see that.
Bob Geldof - Dipshit
Brexiters- knuckleheads
Can you see the difference in what you're saying?
That wasn't actually what was written was it.
Why so sensitive? Do you count yourself amongst the knuckle heads or the not all knuckle heads part of the Brexit voters?
Were there no racists who voted for Brexit? Do you think that any voted to remain?
absolutely, many racists voted remain, especially in Scotland
Please explain.
Majority of sectarian Glasgow rangers fans vote remain, well known
You do, of course, have evidence of this or do you just "know"?
That isn't actually racism anyway is it?"
Tell me a Scot who isn't aware of this!
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and if you have a coloured, immigrant or tourist walk down the streets of Larkhall they will soon find out all about racism.
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god help if they wear anything green to,
traffic lights are smashed because of the "green for go"
in some areas even the grass you walk on is sprayed blue |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Knuckleheadidness ? We are just ppl with different opinions same as ever election
I don’t doubt that there were vast numbers of perfectly rational and ordinary people who voted Leave for their own reasons. However, it was not the fair minded middle ground that won the referendum it was the knuckle heads who drove it and won over the complacency of the middle ground.
We have been through this before and you seem determined to shoulder the responsibility of everyone who voted Leave. You don’t have to. I don’t share the thoughts of a number of vocal Remainers, and so when people refer to Bob Geldof as a dipshit - I don’t think that they are calling me a dipshit too.
Not all Leave voters were knuckleheaded, racist fuckwits. That is obvious. But what is also obvious is that there were a significant number of knucklehead, racist fuckwits who all did vote Brexit. The extremists won the day. I find it incredible that you can’t see that.
Bob Geldof - Dipshit
Brexiters- knuckleheads
Can you see the difference in what you're saying?
That wasn't actually what was written was it.
Why so sensitive? Do you count yourself amongst the knuckle heads or the not all knuckle heads part of the Brexit voters?
Were there no racists who voted for Brexit? Do you think that any voted to remain?
absolutely, many racists voted remain, especially in Scotland
Please explain.
Majority of sectarian Glasgow rangers fans vote remain, well known
You do, of course, have evidence of this or do you just "know"?
That isn't actually racism anyway is it?
Tell me a Scot who isn't aware of this!
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and if you have a coloured, immigrant or tourist walk down the streets of Larkhall they will soon find out all about racism.
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god help if they wear anything green to,
traffic lights are smashed because of the "green for go"
in some areas even the grass you walk on is sprayed blue"
So all Rangers fans are racist in the same way that all Leave supporters are racist? Perhaps neither is true. I don't know as all Scots are apparently aware of this.
As you've never displayed narrow minded thinking or any form of prejudice I'll take your word for it
You are saying is that some people that voted remain may have been more tribal in their decision than racist. They didn't vote remain for racist reasons, they did so inspite of them |
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There are racists who voted leave of corse as there are racists who voted remain there are racists in all walks of lives to some degree none more so than the police but we don’t call all police racists do we I fail to see why so many see Brexit as being racist as we will be tightening immagratuin from white ppl from Europe and opening up more to Asia Africa South America ppl of colour how is that racist ? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"There are racists who voted leave of corse as there are racists who voted remain there are racists in all walks of lives to some degree none more so than the police but we don’t call all police racists do we I fail to see why so many see Brexit as being racist as we will be tightening immagratuin from white ppl from Europe and opening up more to Asia Africa South America ppl of colour how is that racist ?"
I think that you are missing the point.
All leave voters are not racist. It is popular with those who are though.
I linked to the research that prejudice is one of the prime indicators of the likelihood to vote to leave. I am yet to get any sense that 48% of people with racist views would have voted remain. Is that credible?
We can call it xenophobia if you wish to remove skin colour as the specific prejudice in question.
I am interested to know what information you have to indicate that people in the UK are more open to immigrants from the rest of the world than from Europe. Particularly amongst those who voted to leave. |
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"Granted, we aren't too well versed politically, but it just feels insane that the government are moving ahead with a plan that literally just under half of their country voted against.
Cannot fathom how on earth it's going ahead.
We both voted leave, purely down the fact that we felt something needed to change here instead of continuing the doldrum that it seemed to be. After seeing the aftermath? Shouldn't have voted at all.
Because just of half of their country voted in favour of it. It's called Democracy.....
Surely the 'democratic' thing to do would be find a Brexit that works for the whole country not just half?
Some common sense,a rare commodity here"
Finding a BREXIT that works for anyone, never mind working for the 52%, is proving difficult enough. Finding a BREXIT that works for everyone is simply impossible. No good BREXIT exists for anyone.
The reality is is that BREXIT, what ever way it goes, is either bad or disastrous for everyone. The fact that 52% of those that voted voted for it doesn't make it any less disastrous and it would still be disastrous even if 92% voted for it.
We live in a Representative Democracy and it's the duty of our representatives to act in what they believe to be the best interests of their constituents and the country. As it is we known that the majority of MPs believe BREXIT is bad for Britain it follows that it is simply a complete dereliction of their duties and legal responsibilities to continue to support any action that furthers it. Democracy can only exist if those putting forward a proposition can be properly held accountable for the implementation of that proposal.
As for the advisory plebiscite called a referendum, it has no more to do with democratic government and democracy than the recent Crimean plebiscite to leave Ukraine and join Russia or the Sudetenland plebiscite to leave Czechoslovakia and join Germany.
As Margaret Thatcher often said "There is nothing democratic about referendums and plebiscites. They are simply a tool of dictators and populists"
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Even if it was won by one vote one way or the other, it should be that simple.
Sorry but that is complete nonsense. With anything in life to make a success of a decision, you need consensus. A 50/50 split is not a mandate for anything other for the Govt to work harder to resolve the division.
Pursuing a policy that 50% of the population is against and which we now know will make the country poorer and less influential is not good politics.The vote wasn't a 50/50 split it was 52% for and 48% against which when I went to school was 4% more in favour and brexiteers are supposed to be thick!Too many armchair experts and merchants of doom on here!
Regardless of your pedantry, the government should have looked at the result of their non-binding advisory referendum and used it as what it was designed for, advice. They should then have sat down and dug a bit deeper, done some actual analysis of the options and costed up some scenarios and then come back to the electorate for a vote on an actual plan.
-Matt
Didn't the PM do that when she called the General Election?"
Actually to some extent she did. She asked the country to support her hard Brexit plans.
She lost her majority.
What does that say? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Lots of threads popping up blaming everything on Brexit.
The economy, the closure of Toys r us, The beast from the east, an old lady falling over. All Brexits fault
It's happening, lets just move forward please, hope for the best and prepare for the worst
“Let’s hope for the best” fucking hell OP, there isn’t one single scenario where Brexit is good for this country except for the Tory millionaires and their Billionaire mates directing them to create an unregulated tax haven which won’t be subject to the European Court Of Justice and can ignore the UN and IMF closure of tax avoidance loop holes. There is no one in industry who wanted or supports Brexit except that prick Dyson and others of his ilk who have offshored their manufacturing and now don’t want to pay their taxes.
Now exactly how do we ‘prepare for the worst’? If you have any ideas let the government know would you? The government cannot pretend to not know how pitifully weak this island will be when we are excluded from the single market. Then it will come down to desperate negotiations for trade deals that will be essential to stopping this country collapsing. With the Trumpet fucknuts in the USA who would insist we accept their chicken washed in chlorine and Russians who can do whatever they want including releasing nerve agents. Britain would be everybody’s bitch. We are so fucked.
Interesting theory’s. Be interested to see any facts in your argument if you’re going to present one"
Well how about you suggest what we do that the rest of the world can't get somewhere else?
What would make another country negotiate a trade deal with us on better terms than they would with the EU.
What makes us stronger and more influential in terms of foreign policy, defence or anything else if we are on our own rather than part of an alliance? |
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"Granted, we aren't too well versed politically, but it just feels insane that the government are moving ahead with a plan that literally just under half of their country voted against.
Cannot fathom how on earth it's going ahead.
We both voted leave, purely down the fact that we felt something needed to change here instead of continuing the doldrum that it seemed to be. After seeing the aftermath? Shouldn't have voted at all.
Because just of half of their country voted in favour of it. It's called Democracy.....
Surely the 'democratic' thing to do would be find a Brexit that works for the whole country not just half?
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I am with you on this.
When voting in a government we do not install a dictatorship. Democracy works because those in power take account of just how large or small their mandate is. They have to accept that even those who voted for them do not necessarily support all of their policies. If they get carried away there are electoral consequences.
This is not the case for the referendum. Both sides could make whatever promises or threats that they wanted to. There is no electoral consequence for lies or non delivery of promises made. All there is, is acknowledgement that support is wafer thin, to the extent that it is barely there. It certainly does not justify the course being charted at the dictate of one extreme of the argument.
The country is bitterly divided and we have not bothered to resolve this before we go and negotiate. This increases the chance of failing to get a good outcome.
When I am inevitably accused of negativity may I remind you that I often indicate positive possibilities and underline that there is a lot of good news in the world. As much as "Project fear" from the remain campaign is derided, it is leave which has the lowest opinion of the UK. Poor, bullied by the EU. Losing every court case, unable to influence policy, paying too much, flooded with immigration over which we have no control.
All nonsense.
We were one of the most a wealthy,influential country's on Earth with even the poorest living in better conditions than the majority of the world's population.
We are about to gamble that in a fit of petulance because a few extremists will not compromise now that they, have a sniff of getting what they want. |
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"Granted, we aren't too well versed politically, but it just feels insane that the government are moving ahead with a plan that literally just under half of their country voted against.
Cannot fathom how on earth it's going ahead.
We both voted leave, purely down the fact that we felt something needed to change here instead of continuing the doldrum that it seemed to be. After seeing the aftermath? Shouldn't have voted at all.
Because just of half of their country voted in favour of it. It's called Democracy.....
Surely the 'democratic' thing to do would be find a Brexit that works for the whole country not just half?
I am with you on this.
When voting in a government we do not install a dictatorship. Democracy works because those in power take account of just how large or small their mandate is. They have to accept that even those who voted for them do not necessarily support all of their policies. If they get carried away there are electoral consequences.
This is not the case for the referendum. Both sides could make whatever promises or threats that they wanted to. There is no electoral consequence for lies or non delivery of promises made. All there is, is acknowledgement that support is wafer thin, to the extent that it is barely there. It certainly does not justify the course being charted at the dictate of one extreme of the argument.
The country is bitterly divided and we have not bothered to resolve this before we go and negotiate. This increases the chance of failing to get a good outcome.
When I am inevitably accused of negativity may I remind you that I often indicate positive possibilities and underline that there is a lot of good news in the world. As much as "Project fear" from the remain campaign is derided, it is leave which has the lowest opinion of the UK. Poor, bullied by the EU. Losing every court case, unable to influence policy, paying too much, flooded with immigration over which we have no control.
All nonsense.
We were one of the most a wealthy,influential country's on Earth with even the poorest living in better conditions than the majority of the world's population.
We are about to gamble that in a fit of petulance because a few extremists will not compromise now that they, have a sniff of getting what they want."
Well said Easyuk. The hardliners and protagonists will scurry away, no doubt placing blame on everyone else |
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Brexit has had - and continues to have, a major effect upon businesses, who plan their operations years in advance. To willfully be in denial of this is to work against the economy of the future, including employment and investment levels - as well as the effects upon the economy.
The focus from businesses is upon the future but the UK government has done nothing to put any clarity upon its Brexit position that is meaningful. Weeks away from the point at which an agreed deal has been reached, needing each of the 27 member states to ratify it, the UK government hasn't declared its statement of requirements to continue negotiating. Any business operating with the same lackadaisical approach would see its board fired and likely go to the wall. The same mindset seems to exist in many of the minds of the people who voted to leave. |
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