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"In an age of trade relationships that could magically open around the world, as some people push to make things harder with the EU, who is going to foot the costs as smaller businesses lose income, whilst trying to find customers in far off lands? Will these troubled business owners still vote the same? " For the most part it was small businesses that backed Brexit in the referendum as the EU is all about big business and large multi national corporations. It's the large multi nationals and big business who make the rules in the EU as they have the most power in the lobby rooms of the Brussels cesspit. Regulation and red tape upon more regulation and red tape to crush competition from small business in the EU, and tie small businesses up in red tape, the large multi nationals and big business have the monopoly on everything. While small businesses struggle away with an ever growing mountain of EU regulations and red tape the big businesses get their army of lawyer's and solicitors to deal with it all. Small business can plainly see how unfair the EU system is and how the cards are stacked against them in the EU, that's why majority of small businesses backed Brexit. | |||
"In an age of trade relationships that could magically open around the world, as some people push to make things harder with the EU, who is going to foot the costs as smaller businesses lose income, whilst trying to find customers in far off lands? Will these troubled business owners still vote the same? For the most part it was small businesses that backed Brexit in the referendum as the EU is all about big business and large multi national corporations. It's the large multi nationals and big business who make the rules in the EU as they have the most power in the lobby rooms of the Brussels cesspit. Regulation and red tape upon more regulation and red tape to crush competition from small business in the EU, and tie small businesses up in red tape, the large multi nationals and big business have the monopoly on everything. While small businesses struggle away with an ever growing mountain of EU regulations and red tape the big businesses get their army of lawyer's and solicitors to deal with it all. Small business can plainly see how unfair the EU system is and how the cards are stacked against them in the EU, that's why majority of small businesses backed Brexit. " .  | |||
"In an age of trade relationships that could magically open around the world, as some people push to make things harder with the EU, who is going to foot the costs as smaller businesses lose income, whilst trying to find customers in far off lands? Will these troubled business owners still vote the same? For the most part it was small businesses that backed Brexit in the referendum as the EU is all about big business and large multi national corporations. It's the large multi nationals and big business who make the rules in the EU as they have the most power in the lobby rooms of the Brussels cesspit. Regulation and red tape upon more regulation and red tape to crush competition from small business in the EU, and tie small businesses up in red tape, the large multi nationals and big business have the monopoly on everything. While small businesses struggle away with an ever growing mountain of EU regulations and red tape the big businesses get their army of lawyer's and solicitors to deal with it all. Small business can plainly see how unfair the EU system is and how the cards are stacked against them in the EU, that's why majority of small businesses backed Brexit. " Can you actually give any examples cause all the small/medium local breweries and food producers I do microbiology consultancies for backed remain. Why? Beer, cider, dairy products are not in excessively high demand outside of europe and EU aligned trading partners for cultural reasons and human biology reasons. E.g, lactose intolerance. | |||
"In an age of trade relationships that could magically open around the world, as some people push to make things harder with the EU, who is going to foot the costs as smaller businesses lose income, whilst trying to find customers in far off lands? Will these troubled business owners still vote the same? For the most part it was small businesses that backed Brexit in the referendum as the EU is all about big business and large multi national corporations. It's the large multi nationals and big business who make the rules in the EU as they have the most power in the lobby rooms of the Brussels cesspit. Regulation and red tape upon more regulation and red tape to crush competition from small business in the EU, and tie small businesses up in red tape, the large multi nationals and big business have the monopoly on everything. While small businesses struggle away with an ever growing mountain of EU regulations and red tape the big businesses get their army of lawyer's and solicitors to deal with it all. Small business can plainly see how unfair the EU system is and how the cards are stacked against them in the EU, that's why majority of small businesses backed Brexit. " You are so far out of touch with reality it is starting to become a joke. I have run small businesses for the extend of my working life (about 25 years). And the fact that I can both hire and be hired across the EU without any concern for paperwork and the likes is fantastic. OK, so I work in the high tech field of software development.... a field that Brexit will hit hard I feel. The one and only bit of red tape that seems to have concerned me was the change of place rules for VAT that come in recently. Luckily it has not been too much of an issue. That said, I have just been granted my Estonian e-Residency permit and will be moving some of my business over there to hedge against the fuck-up that is happening here. I will admit that that is not entirely Brexit's fault, but the UK banking industry also playing a part there. Luckily the PSD2 framework that is coming in will mean that banks across the EEA will be opening up their service to 3rd parties. Hence you may have seen your bank talking about 'Open Banking' and various 3rd party services, such as Emma, some about. Yes, a legal framework that the UK banks are being forced to adopt due to us being in the EEA, and ultimately benefitting the end consumer by way of being able to better compare banking products. -Matt | |||
"In an age of trade relationships that could magically open around the world, as some people push to make things harder with the EU, who is going to foot the costs as smaller businesses lose income, whilst trying to find customers in far off lands? Will these troubled business owners still vote the same? For the most part it was small businesses that backed Brexit in the referendum as the EU is all about big business and large multi national corporations. It's the large multi nationals and big business who make the rules in the EU as they have the most power in the lobby rooms of the Brussels cesspit. Regulation and red tape upon more regulation and red tape to crush competition from small business in the EU, and tie small businesses up in red tape, the large multi nationals and big business have the monopoly on everything. While small businesses struggle away with an ever growing mountain of EU regulations and red tape the big businesses get their army of lawyer's and solicitors to deal with it all. Small business can plainly see how unfair the EU system is and how the cards are stacked against them in the EU, that's why majority of small businesses backed Brexit. " Really? What "red tape" will be done away with? A few examples would be helpful. | |||
"In an age of trade relationships that could magically open around the world, as some people push to make things harder with the EU, who is going to foot the costs as smaller businesses lose income, whilst trying to find customers in far off lands? Will these troubled business owners still vote the same? For the most part it was small businesses that backed Brexit in the referendum as the EU is all about big business and large multi national corporations. It's the large multi nationals and big business who make the rules in the EU as they have the most power in the lobby rooms of the Brussels cesspit. Regulation and red tape upon more regulation and red tape to crush competition from small business in the EU, and tie small businesses up in red tape, the large multi nationals and big business have the monopoly on everything. While small businesses struggle away with an ever growing mountain of EU regulations and red tape the big businesses get their army of lawyer's and solicitors to deal with it all. Small business can plainly see how unfair the EU system is and how the cards are stacked against them in the EU, that's why majority of small businesses backed Brexit. Can you actually give any examples cause all the small/medium local breweries and food producers I do microbiology consultancies for backed remain. Why? Beer, cider, dairy products are not in excessively high demand outside of europe and EU aligned trading partners for cultural reasons and human biology reasons. E.g, lactose intolerance." Examples, how about the letter from over 300 businesses (small, medium and large) that backed vote Leave during the EU referendum campaign... www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/15/eu-referendum-more-than-300-business-leaders-back-a-brexit/ This was a common theme throughout the duration of the referendum campaign where small and medium sized businesses invariably backed Brexit and Big business backed remain. | |||
"In an age of trade relationships that could magically open around the world, as some people push to make things harder with the EU, who is going to foot the costs as smaller businesses lose income, whilst trying to find customers in far off lands? Will these troubled business owners still vote the same? For the most part it was small businesses that backed Brexit in the referendum as the EU is all about big business and large multi national corporations. It's the large multi nationals and big business who make the rules in the EU as they have the most power in the lobby rooms of the Brussels cesspit. Regulation and red tape upon more regulation and red tape to crush competition from small business in the EU, and tie small businesses up in red tape, the large multi nationals and big business have the monopoly on everything. While small businesses struggle away with an ever growing mountain of EU regulations and red tape the big businesses get their army of lawyer's and solicitors to deal with it all. Small business can plainly see how unfair the EU system is and how the cards are stacked against them in the EU, that's why majority of small businesses backed Brexit. Can you actually give any examples cause all the small/medium local breweries and food producers I do microbiology consultancies for backed remain. Why? Beer, cider, dairy products are not in excessively high demand outside of europe and EU aligned trading partners for cultural reasons and human biology reasons. E.g, lactose intolerance. Examples, how about the letter from over 300 businesses (small, medium and large) that backed vote Leave during the EU referendum campaign... www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/15/eu-referendum-more-than-300-business-leaders-back-a-brexit/ This was a common theme throughout the duration of the referendum campaign where small and medium sized businesses invariably backed Brexit and Big business backed remain. " I think that you misunderstood the question. That's a collection of hopes and dreams and stirring phrases. Do you have any examples of what red tape to remove and what the effect will be? | |||
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
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"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
"In Centy-maths that is known as a 'landslide' victory to the 300. -Matt | |||
"In an age of trade relationships that could magically open around the world, as some people push to make things harder with the EU, who is going to foot the costs as smaller businesses lose income, whilst trying to find customers in far off lands? Will these troubled business owners still vote the same? " You do not understand the complex and different reasons that people decided to vote in different ways,also some people are positive and not negative however they voted | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
"He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read. | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read. "so you accept using your own example that there were far less businesses supporting brexit.. the millions would be those who did not respond to the request from the paper quoted which given its stance would have published if there were to state their support.. | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read.
so you accept using your own example that there were far less businesses supporting brexit..
the millions would be those who did not respond to the request from the paper quoted which given its stance would have published if there were to state their support.. "Well Cameron's remain campaign had a similar letter with around 200 or 250 signatures on it. The Leave campaign was able to get more signatures on its equivalent letter, over 300, make of that what you will. | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read. "No Centaur I did not ask for examples of businesses that supported Brexit. I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large. Having any luck with that? | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read. "Problem is though in your first statement you said small buisnesses. You gave me an outdated list which included large buisnesses. I would actually like to see a record of exclusively small and medium buisnesses which currently back hard brexit or norwayesque style brexit. | |||
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"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read.
No Centaur I did not ask for examples of businesses that supported Brexit.
I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large.
Having any luck with that?"Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours. | |||
"We've talked about confirmation bias, people with straightjacketed minds who find the comfort that they need to support their truths. Fox news, the Telegraph etc are pitiful places to have to resort to, in order to shore up a distorted version of reality that would make many reasonable people's flesh creep. How do the smaller businesses that could find diminished income from European sources suddenly get alternative business coming in from elsewhere in the globe? " Step down from your moral high horse for a few seconds, the oxygen must be pretty thin up there and it seems to be affecting your brain. Remainers are no different, only you seek a comfort blanket and wrap yourselves in the likes of CNN, and The Guardian. | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read.
No Centaur I did not ask for examples of businesses that supported Brexit.
I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large.
Having any luck with that?
Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours. "I thought it was quite a valid question really. What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU? | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read.
No Centaur I did not ask for examples of businesses that supported Brexit.
I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large.
Having any luck with that?
Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
"It's very valid and pertinent and something that may affect investment and people's future and present jobs but as yet no answers from those in the know and little interest from some on here who only want to gloat in their narrow outlook and say yeah but we won..  | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read.
No Centaur I did not ask for examples of businesses that supported Brexit.
I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large.
Having any luck with that?
Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
"Common Agricultural Policy? Working Time Directive? | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read.
No Centaur I did not ask for examples of businesses that supported Brexit.
I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large.
Having any luck with that?
Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
Common Agricultural Policy?
Working Time Directive?"Interesting, you see workers rights as red tape that we need to lose? Full marks for answering and speaking your mind on the issue though, unlike some | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read.
No Centaur I did not ask for examples of businesses that supported Brexit.
I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large.
Having any luck with that?
Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
Common Agricultural Policy?
Working Time Directive?
Interesting, you see workers rights as red tape that we need to lose?
Full marks for answering and speaking your mind on the issue though, unlike some "No, the Workers Time Directive is a red tape burden. It needs to be replaced by something more flexible and manageable. That's not to say taking workers rights away is part of that. | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read.
No Centaur I did not ask for examples of businesses that supported Brexit.
I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large.
Having any luck with that?
Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
Common Agricultural Policy?
Working Time Directive?
Interesting, you see workers rights as red tape that we need to lose?
Full marks for answering and speaking your mind on the issue though, unlike some
No, the Workers Time Directive is a red tape burden. It needs to be replaced by something more flexible and manageable. That's not to say taking workers rights away is part of that.
"Whilst the Conservatives state that employee rights will be protected - so it's anyone's guess what is truth or lies - not to mention Incompetence | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read.
No Centaur I did not ask for examples of businesses that supported Brexit.
I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large.
Having any luck with that?
Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
Common Agricultural Policy?
Working Time Directive?
Interesting, you see workers rights as red tape that we need to lose?
Full marks for answering and speaking your mind on the issue though, unlike some
No, the Workers Time Directive is a red tape burden. It needs to be replaced by something more flexible and manageable. That's not to say taking workers rights away is part of that.
"In what way does it need to be more flexible? I don't know enough about it, as it is something I've never come across in running small businesses, as I don't overwork staff or have night staff and the likes. Are you able to give an example of what is particularly onerous about it? -Matt | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read.
No Centaur I did not ask for examples of businesses that supported Brexit.
I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large.
Having any luck with that?
Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
Common Agricultural Policy?
Working Time Directive?
Interesting, you see workers rights as red tape that we need to lose?
Full marks for answering and speaking your mind on the issue though, unlike some
No, the Workers Time Directive is a red tape burden. It needs to be replaced by something more flexible and manageable. That's not to say taking workers rights away is part of that.
Whilst the Conservatives state that employee rights will be protected - so it's anyone's guess what is truth or lies - not to mention Incompetence "Historically the tories have never shown workers rights to be high on their policies agenda, we shall see.. | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read.
No Centaur I did not ask for examples of businesses that supported Brexit.
I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large.
Having any luck with that?
Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
Common Agricultural Policy?
Working Time Directive?
Interesting, you see workers rights as red tape that we need to lose?
Full marks for answering and speaking your mind on the issue though, unlike some
No, the Workers Time Directive is a red tape burden. It needs to be replaced by something more flexible and manageable. That's not to say taking workers rights away is part of that.
In what way does it need to be more flexible? I don't know enough about it, as it is something I've never come across in running small businesses, as I don't overwork staff or have night staff and the likes. Are you able to give an example of what is particularly onerous about it?
-Matt"The WTD is a good piece of legislation but lacks a certain amount of flexibility. There are particular onerous record keeping that needs to be done, especially for employers that run night shifts. | |||
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"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read.
No Centaur I did not ask for examples of businesses that supported Brexit.
I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large.
Having any luck with that?
Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
Common Agricultural Policy?
Working Time Directive?
Interesting, you see workers rights as red tape that we need to lose?
Full marks for answering and speaking your mind on the issue though, unlike some
No, the Workers Time Directive is a red tape burden. It needs to be replaced by something more flexible and manageable. That's not to say taking workers rights away is part of that.
In what way does it need to be more flexible? I don't know enough about it, as it is something I've never come across in running small businesses, as I don't overwork staff or have night staff and the likes. Are you able to give an example of what is particularly onerous about it?
-Matt
The WTD is a good piece of legislation but lacks a certain amount of flexibility.
There are particular onerous record keeping that needs to be done, especially for employers that run night shifts.
"Is it actually that onerous though? Again, I don't have direct experience of it, so trying to understand what the issue is. From what I can see, regarding night shift for example: " Under reg.4(2) of the Working Time Regulations 1998 (SI 1998/1833), an employer is obliged to retain up-to-date records of workers who have agreed to opt out of the 48-hour working week. Employers should maintain a list of the names of such workers, and a copy of the opt-out agreements. Regulation 9 requires employers to keep records that are adequate to show that: working time, including overtime, for workers who have not opted out, does not exceed an average of 48 hours for any seven-day period (reg.4(1)); young workers' working time does not exceed eight hours per day, or 40 hours per week (reg.5A(1)); night workers' normal hours of work do not exceed an average of eight hours in any 24-hour period (reg.6(1)) or, where the work involves special hazards or heavy physical or mental strain, night workers do not work for more than eight hours in any 24-hour period (reg.6(7)); no young worker works between 10pm and 6am, or between 11pm and 7am if the contract requires him or her to work after 10pm (reg.6A) night workers (including young workers) have the opportunity of a free health assessment before commencing night work, and throughout employment as a night worker (reg.7). These records must be maintained for each applicable worker for two years from the date on which they were made. A failure to keep such records is an offence for which the penalty in England and Wales is an unlimited fine. " So my reading of that is that those record keeping things only applicable if you opt out of the 48 hour working week, ie want staff to work longer than that, and all those points look like something you could have in a spreadsheet in about 5 minutes. If you are running night shifts, you will already be doing record keeping of when staff arrive and leave. I'm still failing to see: 1) What the issue is 2) What aspect of 1) would be solved by leaving the EU that would not be a detriment to workers and would want to be kept regardless. -Matt | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read.
No Centaur I did not ask for examples of businesses that supported Brexit.
I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large.
Having any luck with that?
Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
Common Agricultural Policy?
Working Time Directive?
Interesting, you see workers rights as red tape that we need to lose?
Full marks for answering and speaking your mind on the issue though, unlike some
No, the Workers Time Directive is a red tape burden. It needs to be replaced by something more flexible and manageable. That's not to say taking workers rights away is part of that.
In what way does it need to be more flexible? I don't know enough about it, as it is something I've never come across in running small businesses, as I don't overwork staff or have night staff and the likes. Are you able to give an example of what is particularly onerous about it?
-Matt
The WTD is a good piece of legislation but lacks a certain amount of flexibility.
There are particular onerous record keeping that needs to be done, especially for employers that run night shifts.
Is it actually that onerous though? Again, I don't have direct experience of it, so trying to understand what the issue is. From what I can see, regarding night shift for example:
"
Under reg.4(2) of the Working Time Regulations 1998 (SI 1998/1833), an employer is obliged to retain up-to-date records of workers who have agreed to opt out of the 48-hour working week. Employers should maintain a list of the names of such workers, and a copy of the opt-out agreements.
Regulation 9 requires employers to keep records that are adequate to show that:
working time, including overtime, for workers who have not opted out, does not exceed an average of 48 hours for any seven-day period (reg.4(1));
young workers' working time does not exceed eight hours per day, or 40 hours per week (reg.5A(1));
night workers' normal hours of work do not exceed an average of eight hours in any 24-hour period (reg.6(1)) or, where the work involves special hazards or heavy physical or mental strain, night workers do not work for more than eight hours in any 24-hour period (reg.6(7));
no young worker works between 10pm and 6am, or between 11pm and 7am if the contract requires him or her to work after 10pm (reg.6A)
night workers (including young workers) have the opportunity of a free health assessment before commencing night work, and throughout employment as a night worker (reg.7).
These records must be maintained for each applicable worker for two years from the date on which they were made. A failure to keep such records is an offence for which the penalty in England and Wales is an unlimited fine.
"
So my reading of that is that those record keeping things only applicable if you opt out of the 48 hour working week, ie want staff to work longer than that, and all those points look like something you could have in a spreadsheet in about 5 minutes. If you are running night shifts, you will already be doing record keeping of when staff arrive and leave.
I'm still failing to see:
1) What the issue is
2) What aspect of 1) would be solved by leaving the EU that would not be a detriment to workers and would want to be kept regardless.
-Matt
"One of the issues was the cost and frequency of these "free health assessments". Another was the loss of flexibility of the 10/12 hour nights, which suited a lot of night workers, in favour of the obligatory 8 hour nights. Like all Directives, they suit some but not all. | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read.
No Centaur I did not ask for examples of businesses that supported Brexit.
I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large.
Having any luck with that?
Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
Common Agricultural Policy?
Working Time Directive?
Interesting, you see workers rights as red tape that we need to lose?
Full marks for answering and speaking your mind on the issue though, unlike some
No, the Workers Time Directive is a red tape burden. It needs to be replaced by something more flexible and manageable. That's not to say taking workers rights away is part of that.
In what way does it need to be more flexible? I don't know enough about it, as it is something I've never come across in running small businesses, as I don't overwork staff or have night staff and the likes. Are you able to give an example of what is particularly onerous about it?
-Matt
The WTD is a good piece of legislation but lacks a certain amount of flexibility.
There are particular onerous record keeping that needs to be done, especially for employers that run night shifts.
Is it actually that onerous though? Again, I don't have direct experience of it, so trying to understand what the issue is. From what I can see, regarding night shift for example:
"
Under reg.4(2) of the Working Time Regulations 1998 (SI 1998/1833), an employer is obliged to retain up-to-date records of workers who have agreed to opt out of the 48-hour working week. Employers should maintain a list of the names of such workers, and a copy of the opt-out agreements.
Regulation 9 requires employers to keep records that are adequate to show that:
working time, including overtime, for workers who have not opted out, does not exceed an average of 48 hours for any seven-day period (reg.4(1));
young workers' working time does not exceed eight hours per day, or 40 hours per week (reg.5A(1));
night workers' normal hours of work do not exceed an average of eight hours in any 24-hour period (reg.6(1)) or, where the work involves special hazards or heavy physical or mental strain, night workers do not work for more than eight hours in any 24-hour period (reg.6(7));
no young worker works between 10pm and 6am, or between 11pm and 7am if the contract requires him or her to work after 10pm (reg.6A)
night workers (including young workers) have the opportunity of a free health assessment before commencing night work, and throughout employment as a night worker (reg.7).
These records must be maintained for each applicable worker for two years from the date on which they were made. A failure to keep such records is an offence for which the penalty in England and Wales is an unlimited fine.
"
So my reading of that is that those record keeping things only applicable if you opt out of the 48 hour working week, ie want staff to work longer than that, and all those points look like something you could have in a spreadsheet in about 5 minutes. If you are running night shifts, you will already be doing record keeping of when staff arrive and leave.
I'm still failing to see:
1) What the issue is
2) What aspect of 1) would be solved by leaving the EU that would not be a detriment to workers and would want to be kept regardless.
-Matt
One of the issues was the cost and frequency of these "free health assessments".
Another was the loss of flexibility of the 10/12 hour nights, which suited a lot of night workers, in favour of the obligatory 8 hour nights.
Like all Directives, they suit some but not all. "Didn't Corbyn say today in his speech on Brexit that he would seek opt outs of things like the working time directive. | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read.
No Centaur I did not ask for examples of businesses that supported Brexit.
I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large.
Having any luck with that?
Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
Common Agricultural Policy?
Working Time Directive?
Interesting, you see workers rights as red tape that we need to lose?
Full marks for answering and speaking your mind on the issue though, unlike some
No, the Workers Time Directive is a red tape burden. It needs to be replaced by something more flexible and manageable. That's not to say taking workers rights away is part of that.
"What do you mean by that? Ignore things that have a cost or are inconvenient? Not keep a record of anything? I don't think that the bureaucracy was put in place for the sake of it. You may be responsible, but these things are put in place for those people who aren't... | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read.
No Centaur I did not ask for examples of businesses that supported Brexit.
I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large.
Having any luck with that?
Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
Common Agricultural Policy?
Working Time Directive?"What about the Common Agricultural Policy? Any subsidy will come with the same level of red tape surely? If we're going to drop import barriers for food then we don't have the scale or costs to compete so farmers will need some sort of subsidy or they will close down... | |||
" I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large. Having any luck with that? Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
"Still no examples of red tape and cost savings from you Centaur? Now is about the time you tell me that you don't want to answer my stupid, dumb questions because I'm soooooo annoying. It's just not fair. Always bullying you. Then you'll say something about me whining. You won't come up with anything to back up our Brexit sound bite though. Although I do understand that you don't like addressing the reality of your fairy dust and unicorn tear dreams  | |||
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" I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large. Having any luck with that? Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
Still no examples of red tape and cost savings from you Centaur?
Now is about the time you tell me that you don't want to answer my stupid, dumb questions because I'm soooooo annoying. It's just not fair. Always bullying you.
Then you'll say something about me whining.
You won't come up with anything to back up our Brexit sound bite though.
Although I do understand that you don't like addressing the reality of your fairy dust and unicorn tear dreams "why don't you meet, have a chat over a beer, discus your concerns there 
.
yeh, I thought not
kbw. | |||
" I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large. Having any luck with that? Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
Still no examples of red tape and cost savings from you Centaur?
Now is about the time you tell me that you don't want to answer my stupid, dumb questions because I'm soooooo annoying. It's just not fair. Always bullying you.
Then you'll say something about me whining.
You won't come up with anything to back up our Brexit sound bite though.
Although I do understand that you don't like addressing the reality of your fairy dust and unicorn tear dreams
why don't you meet, have a chat over a beer, discus your concerns there
.
yeh, I thought not
kbw."Ah, bless. Protecting your friend Centaur because he can't answer the nasty man's questions? | |||
" I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large. Having any luck with that? Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
Still no examples of red tape and cost savings from you Centaur?
Now is about the time you tell me that you don't want to answer my stupid, dumb questions because I'm soooooo annoying. It's just not fair. Always bullying you.
Then you'll say something about me whining.
You won't come up with anything to back up our Brexit sound bite though.
Although I do understand that you don't like addressing the reality of your fairy dust and unicorn tear dreams
why don't you meet, have a chat over a beer, discus your concerns there
.
yeh, I thought not
kbw.
Ah, bless. Protecting your friend Centaur because he can't answer the nasty man's questions? "You're fabbing my pics again Cask. Is it because you find me attractive or are you trying to intimidate me in some way? 
Every time you do something like you do know that it indicates that you've lost don't you? | |||
"In an age of trade relationships that could magically open around the world, as some people push to make things harder with the EU, who is going to foot the costs as smaller businesses lose income, whilst trying to find customers in far off lands? Will these troubled business owners still vote the same? For the most part it was small businesses that backed Brexit in the referendum as the EU is all about big business and large multi national corporations. It's the large multi nationals and big business who make the rules in the EU as they have the most power in the lobby rooms of the Brussels cesspit. Regulation and red tape upon more regulation and red tape to crush competition from small business in the EU, and tie small businesses up in red tape, the large multi nationals and big business have the monopoly on everything. While small businesses struggle away with an ever growing mountain of EU regulations and red tape the big businesses get their army of lawyer's and solicitors to deal with it all. Small business can plainly see how unfair the EU system is and how the cards are stacked against them in the EU, that's why majority of small businesses backed Brexit. Can you actually give any examples cause all the small/medium local breweries and food producers I do microbiology consultancies for backed remain. Why? Beer, cider, dairy products are not in excessively high demand outside of europe and EU aligned trading partners for cultural reasons and human biology reasons. E.g, lactose intolerance. Examples, how about the letter from over 300 businesses (small, medium and large) that backed vote Leave during the EU referendum campaign... www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/15/eu-referendum-more-than-300-business-leaders-back-a-brexit/ This was a common theme throughout the duration of the referendum campaign where small and medium sized businesses invariably backed Brexit and Big business backed remain. " The British Chambers of Commerce, which represents SMEs, backed remain, which is why that fool Longworth had to resign as he came out as a brexiteer | |||
"According to the ONS there were in excess of 2.55 million in Mar 16.. so 300 backed brexit.. wow..
so is 300 out of 2.55 million now to be the benchmark that means 'for the most part'..?
He asked for examples, I gave him a link to over 300 examples. Most rational normal thinking people would accept that. If you're looking for millions of examples you really are living in cloud cookoo land and that would be one hell of long post to read.
No Centaur I did not ask for examples of businesses that supported Brexit.
I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large.
Having any luck with that?
Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
Common Agricultural Policy?
Working Time Directive?
Interesting, you see workers rights as red tape that we need to lose?
Full marks for answering and speaking your mind on the issue though, unlike some
No, the Workers Time Directive is a red tape burden. It needs to be replaced by something more flexible and manageable. That's not to say taking workers rights away is part of that.
In what way does it need to be more flexible? I don't know enough about it, as it is something I've never come across in running small businesses, as I don't overwork staff or have night staff and the likes. Are you able to give an example of what is particularly onerous about it?
-Matt
The WTD is a good piece of legislation but lacks a certain amount of flexibility.
There are particular onerous record keeping that needs to be done, especially for employers that run night shifts.
Is it actually that onerous though? Again, I don't have direct experience of it, so trying to understand what the issue is. From what I can see, regarding night shift for example:
"
Under reg.4(2) of the Working Time Regulations 1998 (SI 1998/1833), an employer is obliged to retain up-to-date records of workers who have agreed to opt out of the 48-hour working week. Employers should maintain a list of the names of such workers, and a copy of the opt-out agreements.
Regulation 9 requires employers to keep records that are adequate to show that:
working time, including overtime, for workers who have not opted out, does not exceed an average of 48 hours for any seven-day period (reg.4(1));
young workers' working time does not exceed eight hours per day, or 40 hours per week (reg.5A(1));
night workers' normal hours of work do not exceed an average of eight hours in any 24-hour period (reg.6(1)) or, where the work involves special hazards or heavy physical or mental strain, night workers do not work for more than eight hours in any 24-hour period (reg.6(7));
no young worker works between 10pm and 6am, or between 11pm and 7am if the contract requires him or her to work after 10pm (reg.6A)
night workers (including young workers) have the opportunity of a free health assessment before commencing night work, and throughout employment as a night worker (reg.7).
These records must be maintained for each applicable worker for two years from the date on which they were made. A failure to keep such records is an offence for which the penalty in England and Wales is an unlimited fine.
"
So my reading of that is that those record keeping things only applicable if you opt out of the 48 hour working week, ie want staff to work longer than that, and all those points look like something you could have in a spreadsheet in about 5 minutes. If you are running night shifts, you will already be doing record keeping of when staff arrive and leave.
I'm still failing to see:
1) What the issue is
2) What aspect of 1) would be solved by leaving the EU that would not be a detriment to workers and would want to be kept regardless.
-Matt
One of the issues was the cost and frequency of these "free health assessments".
Another was the loss of flexibility of the 10/12 hour nights, which suited a lot of night workers, in favour of the obligatory 8 hour nights.
Like all Directives, they suit some but not all. "The additional cost and burden of this is the square root of fuck all in the bigger HR picture of costs and obligations (most of which have nothing to od with the EU) | |||
" I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large. Having any luck with that? Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
Still no examples of red tape and cost savings from you Centaur?
Now is about the time you tell me that you don't want to answer my stupid, dumb questions because I'm soooooo annoying. It's just not fair. Always bullying you.
Then you'll say something about me whining.
You won't come up with anything to back up our Brexit sound bite though.
Although I do understand that you don't like addressing the reality of your fairy dust and unicorn tear dreams
why don't you meet, have a chat over a beer, discus your concerns there
.
yeh, I thought not
kbw.
Ah, bless. Protecting your friend Centaur because he can't answer the nasty man's questions? "protecting? why would I want too, or indeed need to protect? as I say, you really need to meet up, discus your points face to face | |||
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"WTD obligations for record keeping purposes etc, would generally be the minimum that an employer would keep upon their staff anyway, in order for organizational and salary requirements etc. If anything, the UK could introduce better employee rights in relation to working tome and employee health. Some may try to call diligence and care for people, coupled with accuracy of management red tape, but running a business like mixing pig shit slurry has never been a great approach." Indeed, as I said, I don't have direct experience with WTD but seem there are two areas people might take exception to: 1) The restrictions/safeguards themselves on employees 2) The requirements around recording/keeping this information The first, I don't really know what to say. Those obligations are there to protect workers. And May has said that the UK won't lessen workers rights, so that is not going to change. The second... is it really that onerous having to track these things? I mean you have to track them in order to successfully run your business anyway. So by removing them all you do is encourage shady business practices. Anyone else got any *actual* examples of 'red tape' that leaving the EU is going to reduce? I mean the genuinely... I really don't know what issues people are facing with this. -Matt | |||
" I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large. Having any luck with that? Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
Still no examples of red tape and cost savings from you Centaur?
Now is about the time you tell me that you don't want to answer my stupid, dumb questions because I'm soooooo annoying. It's just not fair. Always bullying you.
Then you'll say something about me whining.
You won't come up with anything to back up our Brexit sound bite though.
Although I do understand that you don't like addressing the reality of your fairy dust and unicorn tear dreams
why don't you meet, have a chat over a beer, discus your concerns there
.
yeh, I thought not
kbw.
Ah, bless. Protecting your friend Centaur because he can't answer the nasty man's questions?
protecting? why would I want too, or indeed need to protect?
as I say, you really need to meet up, discus your points face to face"No idea. Perhaps people unable to look at viewpoints other than their own have to do that sort of thing to reinforce their opinions? Why would I meet somebody I don't like for a drink? I wouldn't want to spend any time with you either because you aren't very nice | |||
" I asked for specific examples of the red tape that would be removed and the benefits this would bring to the UK population at large. Having any luck with that? Another poster who can't follow a thread. This seems to be a recurring theme with remainers on here. I posted the telegraph link in reply to someone else's comment/question, not yours.
I thought it was quite a valid question really.
What red tape will be reduced that will help us all out by leaving the EU?
Still no examples of red tape and cost savings from you Centaur?
Now is about the time you tell me that you don't want to answer my stupid, dumb questions because I'm soooooo annoying. It's just not fair. Always bullying you.
Then you'll say something about me whining.
You won't come up with anything to back up our Brexit sound bite though.
Although I do understand that you don't like addressing the reality of your fairy dust and unicorn tear dreams
why don't you meet, have a chat over a beer, discus your concerns there
.
yeh, I thought not
kbw.
Ah, bless. Protecting your friend Centaur because he can't answer the nasty man's questions?
protecting? why would I want too, or indeed need to protect?
as I say, you really need to meet up, discus your points face to face"Anything relevant to say about the topic in hand or just trolling?  | |||
