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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Is the current KFC crisis a sign of what might happen if we don't get a deal?"
The KFC "crisis" is down to switching distribution from Bidvest, who are a recognised food logistics company, to DHL, who are more general logistics.
Nothing to do with any perceived shortage of chickens! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Is the current KFC crisis a sign of what might happen if we don't get a deal?
The KFC "crisis" is down to switching distribution from Bidvest, who are a recognised food logistics company, to DHL, who are more general logistics.
Nothing to do with any perceived shortage of chickens! "
Yes exactly a logistical problem - nothing to do with shortage of chickens. The point is there is a problem a company not being able to supply efficiently resulting in a company not being able to function. There is an anticipated supply / logistical problem anticipated after brexit with regard to customs and border checks. The KFC crisis just shows how crucial smooth running supply chains are! |
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Look at KFC and think of all that fresh food that is imported from EU countries that just rolls off the ferries and plans today...
Hows that going to work come 1 April 2019?
How long till your local supermarket shelves are starting to empty? |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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No surprise to see the usual brexiteers on here refusing to acknowledge or engage with reality of a situation.
I'd be curious to know how long the switchover from Bidvest to DHL took, how much planning was done, how many people involved, costs etc. things like this are no small matter to these companies.
I remember working at a large bank and the switchover from Windows XP to Windows Vista on all corporate desktops. The amount of planning that went into a change like that, such that on 'switchover day' everything went to plan was immense. They started planning it something like a year in advance.
I would imagine switching out your central supply chain logistics company must be that sort of magnitude for a company like KFC. Maybe not quite as bad, as less testing required. But still, it would be more than just saying "right, you drive now".
I know the automotive industry has been worried about this. I can't remember the figures offhand, but something like a 1,000 trucks a day cross over to the UK from the EU heading to the automotive plants.
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"Is the current KFC crisis a sign of what might happen if we don't get a deal?What a load of rubbish there is no connection your view is perverted"
Seems like an organisation that can't manage effective change processes - that usually involve competent negotiation/communication, as well as organisation capabilities. Nothing like the current UK brexit activities, in the slightest, which are strong on all points |
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"No surprise to see the usual brexiteers on here refusing to acknowledge or engage with reality of a situation.
I'd be curious to know how long the switchover from Bidvest to DHL took, how much planning was done, how many people involved, costs etc. things like this are no small matter to these companies.
I remember working at a large bank and the switchover from Windows XP to Windows Vista on all corporate desktops. The amount of planning that went into a change like that, such that on 'switchover day' everything went to plan was immense. They started planning it something like a year in advance.
I would imagine switching out your central supply chain logistics company must be that sort of magnitude for a company like KFC. Maybe not quite as bad, as less testing required. But still, it would be more than just saying "right, you drive now".
I know the automotive industry has been worried about this. I can't remember the figures offhand, but something like a 1,000 trucks a day cross over to the UK from the EU heading to the automotive plants.
-Matt"
are right so if things are hard just leave alone then don't ever try to change things well that's forward thinking for you then for gods sake |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"No surprise to see the usual brexiteers on here refusing to acknowledge or engage with reality of a situation.
I'd be curious to know how long the switchover from Bidvest to DHL took, how much planning was done, how many people involved, costs etc. things like this are no small matter to these companies.
I remember working at a large bank and the switchover from Windows XP to Windows Vista on all corporate desktops. The amount of planning that went into a change like that, such that on 'switchover day' everything went to plan was immense. They started planning it something like a year in advance.
I would imagine switching out your central supply chain logistics company must be that sort of magnitude for a company like KFC. Maybe not quite as bad, as less testing required. But still, it would be more than just saying "right, you drive now".
I know the automotive industry has been worried about this. I can't remember the figures offhand, but something like a 1,000 trucks a day cross over to the UK from the EU heading to the automotive plants.
-Matt are right so if things are hard just leave alone then don't ever try to change things well that's forward thinking for you then for gods sake "
Why would you do that? That would be idiotic, you'd never progress.
I do sometimes wonder about some brexiteers. They seem to think that 'lets work out a plan on how to do this' equates somehow to 'let's not do it at all'. Is that because they are either too lazy or too incompetent to plan? Or do they just not care about the outcome of these things? "I don't eat KFC, so fuck em!", but on a national scale and with things that do affect more peoples lives?
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Yes deffo ..after we leave the eu ..no chicken .no meat no veg the whole of the UK will perish....what bollocks lol"
Again. What is it with this strange all-or-nothing almost nihilistic view? If I were a glib brexieerer living in vacuous sound bites I’d tell you to stop talking our country down and be patriotic.
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"What really makes this thread pointless is that kfc buys its chicken from english farms"
No, you miss the point, with the JIT supply chain retail outlets save storage space and increase retail space by carrying the minimum stock and relying on daily or even multiple daily deliveries to keep outlets supplied with stock effectively turning the transporters into mobile warehouses. This is in turn transferred up the supply chain eventually making the producer and transporters become the stock holders when things go wrong. This is inconvenient when it is a single load but when it becomes a hub issue very quickly the whole system breaks down.
As you rightly say KFC use British chicken so this hub breakdown is relatively simple to correct. What some of us are pointing out is that come April 2019 we leave the EU and then there come into being ch*ke-points at every border crossing with 2 sets of customs to clear that is 2 sets of paperwork and 2 new opportunities for bureaucracy to cause a breakdown in the JIT system. And anyone who has dealt with international customs will know that there are holdups all the time. To casually dismiss any warning of what we are heading for is complete madness. |
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"What really makes this thread pointless is that kfc buys its chicken from english farms
No, you miss the point, with the JIT supply chain retail outlets save storage space and increase retail space by carrying the minimum stock and relying on daily or even multiple daily deliveries to keep outlets supplied with stock effectively turning the transporters into mobile warehouses. This is in turn transferred up the supply chain eventually making the producer and transporters become the stock holders when things go wrong. This is inconvenient when it is a single load but when it becomes a hub issue very quickly the whole system breaks down.
As you rightly say KFC use British chicken so this hub breakdown is relatively simple to correct. What some of us are pointing out is that come April 2019 we leave the EU and then there come into being ch*ke-points at every border crossing with 2 sets of customs to clear that is 2 sets of paperwork and 2 new opportunities for bureaucracy to cause a breakdown in the JIT system. And anyone who has dealt with international customs will know that there are holdups all the time. To casually dismiss any warning of what we are heading for is complete madness. "
However this is not yrt guaranteed so i for one wont shit my pants till it is |
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"However this is not yrt guaranteed so i for one wont shit my pants till it is "
Actually, it is guaranteed! We are being told by Mrs May all the time that we are leaving the EU and that means we are leaving the ECU! That means Customs, and that means Customs Officers and Customs Declaration paperwork, and time and bureaucrats who use their positions of power to punish anyone that they take a dislike to. And that means holdups!
Maybe you see no reason to worry but I would suggest that just shows you have little imagination and less memory. Every year French customs officers have a 2 or 3 day strike and it causes chaos wait till they start checking every vehicle for customs violations both entering and leaving the EU and some of the British customs officers start targeting French lorries in retaliation. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"What really makes this thread pointless is that kfc buys its chicken from english farms
No, you miss the point, with the JIT supply chain retail outlets save storage space and increase retail space by carrying the minimum stock and relying on daily or even multiple daily deliveries to keep outlets supplied with stock effectively turning the transporters into mobile warehouses. This is in turn transferred up the supply chain eventually making the producer and transporters become the stock holders when things go wrong. This is inconvenient when it is a single load but when it becomes a hub issue very quickly the whole system breaks down.
As you rightly say KFC use British chicken so this hub breakdown is relatively simple to correct. What some of us are pointing out is that come April 2019 we leave the EU and then there come into being ch*ke-points at every border crossing with 2 sets of customs to clear that is 2 sets of paperwork and 2 new opportunities for bureaucracy to cause a breakdown in the JIT system. And anyone who has dealt with international customs will know that there are holdups all the time. To casually dismiss any warning of what we are heading for is complete madness.
However this is not yrt guaranteed so i for one wont shit my pants till it is "
Your clearly "head in the sand" about this. Before Shengen I can remember queues of trucks at borders sometimes several miles long especially when it came to the old "eastern" borders of Europe. It "Might" just be the same - time will tell. |
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"What really makes this thread pointless is that kfc buys its chicken from english farms
No, you miss the point, with the JIT supply chain retail outlets save storage space and increase retail space by carrying the minimum stock and relying on daily or even multiple daily deliveries to keep outlets supplied with stock effectively turning the transporters into mobile warehouses. This is in turn transferred up the supply chain eventually making the producer and transporters become the stock holders when things go wrong. This is inconvenient when it is a single load but when it becomes a hub issue very quickly the whole system breaks down.
As you rightly say KFC use British chicken so this hub breakdown is relatively simple to correct. What some of us are pointing out is that come April 2019 we leave the EU and then there come into being ch*ke-points at every border crossing with 2 sets of customs to clear that is 2 sets of paperwork and 2 new opportunities for bureaucracy to cause a breakdown in the JIT system. And anyone who has dealt with international customs will know that there are holdups all the time. To casually dismiss any warning of what we are heading for is complete madness.
However this is not yrt guaranteed so i for one wont shit my pants till it is
Your clearly "head in the sand" about this. Before Shengen I can remember queues of trucks at borders sometimes several miles long especially when it came to the old "eastern" borders of Europe. It "Might" just be the same - time will tell."
No not head in the sand just not willing to worry till it actually affects my day to day life |
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