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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Well thats another tory councilor been caught making threats about shouting catholics, the fourth one in just over a year ,so has ruth davidson with her policy to have bigots in her party succeeded in making scotland into a mini ulster where hatered of catholics is acceptable ? None of the bigoted councillors have been suspended up until now ,so what are ppls thoughts is secterianism worth it just to get votes for the union
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"Well thats another tory councilor been caught making threats about shouting catholics, the fourth one in just over a year ,so has ruth davidson with her policy to have bigots in her party succeeded in making scotland into a mini ulster where hatered of catholics is acceptable ? None of the bigoted councillors have been suspended up until now ,so what are ppls thoughts is secterianism worth it just to get votes for the union
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Should have said shooting |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Interesting to see how that (ex) SNP councillor won her case for defamation or not. There's more to that one than racism.
Racism is sadly still rife from ALL sides and the consequence of feelings of partition and separation. It's more than just words or terms- it's getting spat at in the street, feral children intimidating shoppers .....There are many problems but there seems a real fear not to address the whole picture. I can only imagine why but until it is addressed, the words may stop but the attitudes become ever more entrenched. |
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Sectarianism..... Celtic vs Rangers and all that!
Many years ago Liverpool vs Everton was the same.....but not any more thanks to the efforts of both churches and the bishops. The Scots could learn a lesson maybe? |
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"Sectarianism..... Celtic vs Rangers and all that!
Many years ago Liverpool vs Everton was the same.....but not any more thanks to the efforts of both churches and the bishops. The Scots could learn a lesson maybe?"
there is very little Sectarianism in Scotland, only Glasgow and mostly football related due to historic issues with both clubs |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
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Remember when Ruth Davidson went on tv to say those Tory councilors had said sorry but thats not true they didnt say sorry at all
Scottish Tory branch is very clearly going after the ultra yoon no surrender mob loyalist to the core
There is the yoon cult |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
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"Sectarianism..... Celtic vs Rangers and all that!
Many years ago Liverpool vs Everton was the same.....but not any more thanks to the efforts of both churches and the bishops. The Scots could learn a lesson maybe?"
Unionist branches offices voted to get rid of the football act with nothing in place to either improve it or replace with one day later you had a Rangers game on Sky live and could hear Rangers fans singing Sectarian songs cause they thought it was all ok to start singing again
Now if the repeal on the football act goes through with nothing in place in my opinion is everytime their fans start singing sectarian songs the clubs get fined or banned or points took off them
But hey we all know Rangers and Celtic as clubs will do nothing and i mean nothing about sectarianism as it brings money for them and keeps the fires burning on both sides |
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"Sectarianism..... Celtic vs Rangers and all that!
Many years ago Liverpool vs Everton was the same.....but not any more thanks to the efforts of both churches and the bishops. The Scots could learn a lesson maybe?"
This is bigger than football its the leader of scottish conservatives encouraging secterian bigots by welcoming them into her party just to get votes |
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"Sectarianism..... Celtic vs Rangers and all that!
Many years ago Liverpool vs Everton was the same.....but not any more thanks to the efforts of both churches and the bishops. The Scots could learn a lesson maybe?
This is bigger than football its the leader of scottish conservatives encouraging secterian bigots by welcoming them into her party just to get votes "
I'm sure there's a few ira sympathisers in the snp. None of them should be anywhere near politics. It's not as one sided as you make it out to be. |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
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"Sectarianism..... Celtic vs Rangers and all that!
Many years ago Liverpool vs Everton was the same.....but not any more thanks to the efforts of both churches and the bishops. The Scots could learn a lesson maybe?
This is bigger than football its the leader of scottish conservatives encouraging secterian bigots by welcoming them into her party just to get votes
I'm sure there's a few ira sympathisers in the snp. None of them should be anywhere near politics. It's not as one sided as you make it out to be."
Any evidence of that ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Sectarianism..... Celtic vs Rangers and all that!
Many years ago Liverpool vs Everton was the same.....but not any more thanks to the efforts of both churches and the bishops. The Scots could learn a lesson maybe?
This is bigger than football its the leader of scottish conservatives encouraging secterian bigots by welcoming them into her party just to get votes
I'm sure there's a few ira sympathisers in the snp. None of them should be anywhere near politics. It's not as one sided as you make it out to be.
Any evidence of that ? "
Plenty if you look. It's not even hard  |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
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"Sectarianism..... Celtic vs Rangers and all that!
Many years ago Liverpool vs Everton was the same.....but not any more thanks to the efforts of both churches and the bishops. The Scots could learn a lesson maybe?
This is bigger than football its the leader of scottish conservatives encouraging secterian bigots by welcoming them into her party just to get votes
I'm sure there's a few ira sympathisers in the snp. None of them should be anywhere near politics. It's not as one sided as you make it out to be.
Any evidence of that ?
Plenty if you look. It's not even hard "
Ok which member spit it out ? |
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"Sectarianism..... Celtic vs Rangers and all that!
Many years ago Liverpool vs Everton was the same.....but not any more thanks to the efforts of both churches and the bishops. The Scots could learn a lesson maybe?
This is bigger than football its the leader of scottish conservatives encouraging secterian bigots by welcoming them into her party just to get votes
I'm sure there's a few ira sympathisers in the snp. None of them should be anywhere near politics. It's not as one sided as you make it out to be.
Any evidence of that ?
Plenty if you look. It's not even hard
Ok which member spit it out ?"
SNP Councillor Alan Casey. Played in a band at a memorial event for an IRA member. Posted on Social media 'up the provos' and In 2012, he also paid paid tribute to IRA volunteers Declan Martin and Henry Hogan: “Killed on active service 28 years ago today while engaging in a gun battle with undercover SAS scum"
SNP MSP John Mason. Sturgeon was forced to apologise on his behalf for his remarks to those seeking justice for the murder of 3 young Scottish soldiers by the IRA. For a party that claims to stick up for Scotland he refused to support the campaign for justice saying he was 'not taking sides between Irish and British' and when someone, rightly, said the IRA killers were murderers he replied 'You say Irish murderers others say freedom fighters. I support Scottish soldiers if they do good, not if they do bad'. Incredible claiming that a 17, 18 and 23 year old who were lured to their death from a bar were 'doing bad'.
James Dornan has been accused of having IRA sympathies in the past. He denies it but it doesn't help when he's pictured at an event celebrating the Easter uprising in front of the flag of a banned terrorist organisation
Brendan O'Hara SNP MP used a sectarian term for protestants and again an SNP spokesman had to issue an apology.
The idea that somehow these things are all one sided is incredibly myopic. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Sectarianism..... Celtic vs Rangers and all that!
Many years ago Liverpool vs Everton was the same.....but not any more thanks to the efforts of both churches and the bishops. The Scots could learn a lesson maybe?
This is bigger than football its the leader of scottish conservatives encouraging secterian bigots by welcoming them into her party just to get votes
I'm sure there's a few ira sympathisers in the snp. None of them should be anywhere near politics. It's not as one sided as you make it out to be.
Any evidence of that ?
Plenty if you look. It's not even hard
Ok which member spit it out ?
SNP Councillor Alan Casey. Played in a band at a memorial event for an IRA member. Posted on Social media 'up the provos' and In 2012, he also paid paid tribute to IRA volunteers Declan Martin and Henry Hogan: “Killed on active service 28 years ago today while engaging in a gun battle with undercover SAS scum"
SNP MSP John Mason. Sturgeon was forced to apologise on his behalf for his remarks to those seeking justice for the murder of 3 young Scottish soldiers by the IRA. For a party that claims to stick up for Scotland he refused to support the campaign for justice saying he was 'not taking sides between Irish and British' and when someone, rightly, said the IRA killers were murderers he replied 'You say Irish murderers others say freedom fighters. I support Scottish soldiers if they do good, not if they do bad'. Incredible claiming that a 17, 18 and 23 year old who were lured to their death from a bar were 'doing bad'.
James Dornan has been accused of having IRA sympathies in the past. He denies it but it doesn't help when he's pictured at an event celebrating the Easter uprising in front of the flag of a banned terrorist organisation
Brendan O'Hara SNP MP used a sectarian term for protestants and again an SNP spokesman had to issue an apology.
The idea that somehow these things are all one sided is incredibly myopic."
Dont see what this has to do with excepting secterian bigots into their party to win votes |
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"Sectarianism..... Celtic vs Rangers and all that!
Many years ago Liverpool vs Everton was the same.....but not any more thanks to the efforts of both churches and the bishops. The Scots could learn a lesson maybe?
This is bigger than football its the leader of scottish conservatives encouraging secterian bigots by welcoming them into her party just to get votes
I'm sure there's a few ira sympathisers in the snp. None of them should be anywhere near politics. It's not as one sided as you make it out to be.
Any evidence of that ?
Plenty if you look. It's not even hard
Ok which member spit it out ?
SNP Councillor Alan Casey. Played in a band at a memorial event for an IRA member. Posted on Social media 'up the provos' and In 2012, he also paid paid tribute to IRA volunteers Declan Martin and Henry Hogan: “Killed on active service 28 years ago today while engaging in a gun battle with undercover SAS scum"
SNP MSP John Mason. Sturgeon was forced to apologise on his behalf for his remarks to those seeking justice for the murder of 3 young Scottish soldiers by the IRA. For a party that claims to stick up for Scotland he refused to support the campaign for justice saying he was 'not taking sides between Irish and British' and when someone, rightly, said the IRA killers were murderers he replied 'You say Irish murderers others say freedom fighters. I support Scottish soldiers if they do good, not if they do bad'. Incredible claiming that a 17, 18 and 23 year old who were lured to their death from a bar were 'doing bad'.
James Dornan has been accused of having IRA sympathies in the past. He denies it but it doesn't help when he's pictured at an event celebrating the Easter uprising in front of the flag of a banned terrorist organisation
Brendan O'Hara SNP MP used a sectarian term for protestants and again an SNP spokesman had to issue an apology.
The idea that somehow these things are all one sided is incredibly myopic.
Dont see what this has to do with excepting secterian bigots into their party to win votes "
It might help to read the thread and see what I was replying to. |
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I arrived in Scotland completely ignorant of the vast religious divide that exists in Scotland.
I have been labelled on here before been called names with religious overtones.. I find it all terribly sad...The question of the SNP having no leanings to gain votes is beyond parody, they have taken on the old Labour vote . The poster above more than gave evidence of this....I am also sure most of the Scots on here know the religion of there fellow workers....How sad that we still have this holding us all back...Too many protestants and Catholics not enough Christians  |
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"I arrived in Scotland completely ignorant of the vast religious divide that exists in Scotland.
I have been labelled on here before been called names with religious overtones.. I find it all terribly sad...The question of the SNP having no leanings to gain votes is beyond parody, they have taken on the old Labour vote . The poster above more than gave evidence of this....I am also sure most of the Scots on here know the religion of there fellow workers....How sad that we still have this holding us all back...Too many protestants and Catholics not enough Christians "
So do you think its ok for ruth davidson to except secterian bigots into her party to get votes ?,what leanings to secterianism and bigotry have snp used to gain votes ? |
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"I'd expand 'Glasgow' to ' The Central Belt'."
And of course all those who are part of the 'wee kirk' (an ultra othodox branch or the Presbyterian Church) which I believe is mainly based in the highlands and considers it a sin to know anyone who is openly Catholic. |
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Two cheeks of the same arse, snp has it's Sinn Fein IRA sympathisers and the tories have their loyalist protestant equivalent.
Both equally reprehensible in the 21st century, but they will deny it is in their party, it's always the other side that is bigoted you see.
They see the faults of others but never of their own.
That attitude is a blight on Scottish society.
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Totally agree - When you segregate kids at 5 years of age you really reap what you sow !
And both sides of the Old Firm set up groups to get rid of the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act - they are both as guilty of each other !
"I arrived in Scotland completely ignorant of the vast religious divide that exists in Scotland.
I have been labelled on here before been called names with religious overtones.. I find it all terribly sad...The question of the SNP having no leanings to gain votes is beyond parody, they have taken on the old Labour vote . The poster above more than gave evidence of this....I am also sure most of the Scots on here know the religion of there fellow workers....How sad that we still have this holding us all back...Too many protestants and Catholics not enough Christians "
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Reading this thread it seems everyone has condemned the bigots on both sides except from the op who seems perfectly happy to have ira sympathisers in government office. It seems sir that you're as much as a bigot as those you're complaining about |
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"Two cheeks of the same arse, snp has it's Sinn Fein IRA sympathisers and the tories have their loyalist protestant equivalent.
Both equally reprehensible in the 21st century, but they will deny it is in their party, it's always the other side that is bigoted you see.
They see the faults of others but never of their own.
That attitude is a blight on Scottish society.
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So for you it is ok for the tories to have councilors who are openly bigots? and they are using them to get votes ,if the snp have any secterian bigots and are using them to get votes i have not heard or seen them ,if you know otherwise let us know who and when |
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"Reading this thread it seems everyone has condemned the bigots on both sides except from the op who seems perfectly happy to have ira sympathisers in government office. It seems sir that you're as much as a bigot as those you're complaining about"
Firstly i am no bigot i ask ppls opinion about ruth davidson and the tories excepting secterian bigots into their party to win votes ,and as i said above i have not heard or seen anywhere that the snp have backed any councilors or msps who are secterian bigots to encourage ppl to vote for them ,if you know different pls let us know their names and when this happened |
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"Reading this thread it seems everyone has condemned the bigots on both sides except from the op who seems perfectly happy to have ira sympathisers in government office. It seems sir that you're as much as a bigot as those you're complaining about
Firstly i am no bigot i ask ppls opinion about ruth davidson and the tories excepting secterian bigots into their party to win votes ,and as i said above i have not heard or seen anywhere that the snp have backed any councilors or msps who are secterian bigots to encourage ppl to vote for them ,if you know different pls let us know their names and when this happened "
The names have already been mentioned and you have refused to condemn the snp like you did the tories. The Irish troubles should be nowhere near any side of Scottish politics. If you think it's ok for the snp to have ira sympathisers in their ranks then you are a bigot. Get them all to fuck I say. |
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"Reading this thread it seems everyone has condemned the bigots on both sides except from the op who seems perfectly happy to have ira sympathisers in government office. It seems sir that you're as much as a bigot as those you're complaining about
Firstly i am no bigot i ask ppls opinion about ruth davidson and the tories excepting secterian bigots into their party to win votes ,and as i said above i have not heard or seen anywhere that the snp have backed any councilors or msps who are secterian bigots to encourage ppl to vote for them ,if you know different pls let us know their names and when this happened
The names have already been mentioned and you have refused to condemn the snp like you did the tories. The Irish troubles should be nowhere near any side of Scottish politics. If you think it's ok for the snp to have ira sympathisers in their ranks then you are a bigot. Get them all to fuck I say."
Think you should read post again there is a big difference from openly encouraging bigots to get votes ,the snp members that have been mentioned have not done that and are not encouraging bigots to win votes unless you know otherwise and yes i will condem them if you can provide evidence of this ?otherwise your talking crap oh and in your eyes anyone who has an opinion that you dont like makes them a bigot your so wrong |
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Bit of a coincidence but I see John Mason has made the papers again yesterday re the 3 murdered Scottish soldiers. He's refused to sign a petition from a constituent asking for security files to be released so the families can go for a civil prosecution. He's certainly showing his tue colours
"However, this particular motion appears to be a bit one sided as it focuses on victims on one side and does not mention victims on the other side.
“Therefore, I am not comfortable about supporting it.”
So the party who claim to stand up for Scotland refusing to stand up for the families of some murdered youngsters. Scandalous. |
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"And that explains the problem in the West of Scotland, its the other guys bigotry that is unacceptable.
Never their own.
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Ah the old lets turn this against the op for asking the question you dont like and seem to accept its ok to have bigots as councilors in their party as you havent condemned it yourself ,ive already said i would condem any snp councilor who has been shown to use secterian bigotry to win votes once you show me the evidence which you seem unable to do |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
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"And that explains the problem in the West of Scotland, its the other guys bigotry that is unacceptable.
Never their own.
Ah the old lets turn this against the op for asking the question you dont like and seem to accept its ok to have bigots as councilors in their party as you havent condemned it yourself ,ive already said i would condem any snp councilor who has been shown to use secterian bigotry to win votes once you show me the evidence which you seem unable to do "
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Sadly it looks to be clear where the agenda is here. Most people find it easy to condemn sectarianism on either side but coincidentally the 2 biggest supporters of nationalism seem to think it's a one way street. |
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"Sadly it looks to be clear where the agenda is here. Most people find it easy to condemn sectarianism on either side but coincidentally the 2 biggest supporters of nationalism seem to think it's a one way street."
I condem all secterianism and bigotry from anyone ,my post was about the tories accepting it ,and i have yet to see anyone show where anyone from snp has used bigotry to win votes |
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"Sadly it looks to be clear where the agenda is here. Most people find it easy to condemn sectarianism on either side but coincidentally the 2 biggest supporters of nationalism seem to think it's a one way street."
Havent seen you condem the tories or the councilor who said its ok to shoot catholics |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
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"Sadly it looks to be clear where the agenda is here. Most people find it easy to condemn sectarianism on either side but coincidentally the 2 biggest supporters of nationalism seem to think it's a one way street.
Havent seen you condem the tories or the councilor who said its ok to shoot catholics "
Noticing a trend on here with that |
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"Sadly it looks to be clear where the agenda is here. Most people find it easy to condemn sectarianism on either side but coincidentally the 2 biggest supporters of nationalism seem to think it's a one way street.
Havent seen you condem the tories or the councilor who said its ok to shoot catholics
Noticing a trend on here with that "
Aye not one of them have condemed it and just trying to make out snp are the same without showing any evidence |
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"Sadly it looks to be clear where the agenda is here. Most people find it easy to condemn sectarianism on either side but coincidentally the 2 biggest supporters of nationalism seem to think it's a one way street.
Havent seen you condem the tories or the councilor who said its ok to shoot catholics
Noticing a trend on here with that
Aye not one of them have condemed it and just trying to make out snp are the same without showing any evidence "
I condemn all sectarianism. Thankfully I suspect most of it is connected to sport these days but definitely not the sport I follow. I'll take a guess that you and kinky both follow a certain football team though. Hence all the profanities about the Queen and the UK. |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
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"Sadly it looks to be clear where the agenda is here. Most people find it easy to condemn sectarianism on either side but coincidentally the 2 biggest supporters of nationalism seem to think it's a one way street.
Havent seen you condem the tories or the councilor who said its ok to shoot catholics
Noticing a trend on here with that
Aye not one of them have condemed it and just trying to make out snp are the same without showing any evidence
I condemn all sectarianism. Thankfully I suspect most of it is connected to sport these days but definitely not the sport I follow. I'll take a guess that you and kinky both follow a certain football team though. Hence all the profanities about the Queen and the UK."
Nope i dont really like football
The thread was about the tory councilor who said its ok to shoot catholics though and the fact Ruth Davidson seems doing nothing about this and let them away with this
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"Sadly it looks to be clear where the agenda is here. Most people find it easy to condemn sectarianism on either side but coincidentally the 2 biggest supporters of nationalism seem to think it's a one way street.
Havent seen you condem the tories or the councilor who said its ok to shoot catholics
Noticing a trend on here with that
Aye not one of them have condemed it and just trying to make out snp are the same without showing any evidence
I condemn all sectarianism. Thankfully I suspect most of it is connected to sport these days but definitely not the sport I follow. I'll take a guess that you and kinky both follow a certain football team though. Hence all the profanities about the Queen and the UK.
Nope i dont really like football
The thread was about the tory councilor who said its ok to shoot catholics though and the fact Ruth Davidson seems doing nothing about this and let them away with this
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Threads evolve. Given your deflections on almost every thread you post on you should be fully aware of this. |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
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"Sadly it looks to be clear where the agenda is here. Most people find it easy to condemn sectarianism on either side but coincidentally the 2 biggest supporters of nationalism seem to think it's a one way street.
Havent seen you condem the tories or the councilor who said its ok to shoot catholics
Noticing a trend on here with that
Aye not one of them have condemed it and just trying to make out snp are the same without showing any evidence
I condemn all sectarianism. Thankfully I suspect most of it is connected to sport these days but definitely not the sport I follow. I'll take a guess that you and kinky both follow a certain football team though. Hence all the profanities about the Queen and the UK.
Nope i dont really like football
The thread was about the tory councilor who said its ok to shoot catholics though and the fact Ruth Davidson seems doing nothing about this and let them away with this
Threads evolve. Given your deflections on almost every thread you post on you should be fully aware of this."
Oh cant go against your britnat leader in Scotland Ruth Davidson
So is it ok for Tory councilors to joke about killing catholics now ?
Seen Murdo Fraser twitter lately promoting the Orange Order tut tut |
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"Sadly it looks to be clear where the agenda is here. Most people find it easy to condemn sectarianism on either side but coincidentally the 2 biggest supporters of nationalism seem to think it's a one way street.
Havent seen you condem the tories or the councilor who said its ok to shoot catholics
Noticing a trend on here with that
Aye not one of them have condemed it and just trying to make out snp are the same without showing any evidence
I condemn all sectarianism. Thankfully I suspect most of it is connected to sport these days but definitely not the sport I follow. I'll take a guess that you and kinky both follow a certain football team though. Hence all the profanities about the Queen and the UK."
What has the football team i support have to do with this post ? and when did i mention anything about the queen ? Seems your trying to deflect away from the original point of the post ,and you still havent given any evidence about any snp councilors using bigotry to win votes |
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"It's already been pointed out but only you and the other nationalist on here can't see it. Not surprised though."
Were has it been pointed out that snp backed bigoted councilors to win votes ? all i can see is your post about snp councilors that are ira sympathisers which is not the same as wanting to shoot catholics ,also i started this thread as a catholic who is disgusted by the tories backing bigots it should have had nothing to do with being a nationalist or the snp its ppl like yourself who tried deflecting what the post was about ,and you still havent answered about what football team i support has to do with what i posted |
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"Sectarianism..... Celtic vs Rangers and all that!
Many years ago Liverpool vs Everton was the same.....but not any more thanks to the efforts of both churches and the bishops. The Scots could learn a lesson maybe?
This is bigger than football its the leader of scottish conservatives encouraging secterian bigots by welcoming them into her party just to get votes
I'm sure there's a few ira sympathisers in the snp. None of them should be anywhere near politics. It's not as one sided as you make it out to be.
Any evidence of that ? "
Didn't they roll out the red carpet for that scumbag Martin McGuinness or have you as usual decided not to notice something that goes against your agenda
As for the offensive football act nonsense, Rangers and Celtic have been singing these songs week in week out for decades whether there's been offensive bills and banning orders or not. They didn't just start singing these songs in the stands again overnight because politicians scrapped the bill |
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Are you saying that IRA snp supporters are not sectarian!
Are you having a laugh, what do you think the IRA was all about?
It targeted people of the "wrong" religion , if that's not sectarian then I don't know what is.
There's no place for it here today in the 21st century.
That goes for the tory wanting Catholics shot as it does for Allan "up the provos" Casey, Chris "RA on tour" Cullen, James Dornan MSP and councillor Feargal Dalton.
If you are going to condemn one, you must condemn them all.
In my view they are all equally reprehensible. |
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"Are you saying that IRA snp supporters are not sectarian!
Are you having a laugh, what do you think the IRA was all about?
It targeted people of the "wrong" religion , if that's not sectarian then I don't know what is.
There's no place for it here today in the 21st century.
That goes for the tory wanting Catholics shot as it does for Allan "up the provos" Casey, Chris "RA on tour" Cullen, James Dornan MSP and councillor Feargal Dalton.
If you are going to condemn one, you must condemn them all.
In my view they are all equally reprehensible."
Think some of you should read original post its about usuing secterian bigots to win votes its not about ira or uda ect its about scottish tories accepting bigots into their party who are openly anti catholic ,as i said before i condem all secterianism maybe you never READ that |
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Op the title of your thread is "the ulsterisation of Scotland by scots tories" do you think the snp are also guilty of it by having ira sympathisers in their ranks? Or are you that bigoted you think it's a one way street? I'm desperate for you to prove you're not a bigot but you're failing miserably |
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"i said before i condem all secterianism maybe you never READ that"
But you haven't done it, have you?
Empty words, what you say is not what you do.
You have only attacked one side.
You turn a blind eye.
I do wonder why? |
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Can I just say that the IRA weren't actually sectarian. There was no "you must be Catholic" rule with any IRA group in history as far as I'm aware. The desire was Irish unity. The members in general tended to he Catholic because Ireland was a Catholic nation. Some of the greatest Irish nationalists were actually protestants also- Wolfe tone, Parnell, Childers. The orange order was and is a sectarian group. I dunno how but the real reason for the conflict which was the unity of Ireland has somehow come down to Catholic v Protestant when it never was. Catholics did resent Protestants here though because of their abuse of power. |
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That's true but someone linked the IRA and sectarianism. The IRA aren't about that, some members might have been but it was never a thing for them. It was about Irish unity for them. During the 60s they re-emerged because nationalists (again nationalists were usually Catholics) were being treated as second class citizens (they almost always were under the abusive Unionist ran north) and when they decided to protest peacefully about this they were basically booted down to the ground. |
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that was the quaint early 20th Century IRA - the Provos of the latter half of the century targeted "non catholics" or "Brits" - the Brits included anyone who was anti Republican - so yes, they werent 100% Sectarian - maybe Racists then ??
"Can I just say that the IRA weren't actually sectarian.......... "
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"that was the quaint early 20th Century IRA - the Provos of the latter half of the century targeted "non catholics" or "Brits" - the Brits included anyone who was anti Republican - so yes, they werent 100% Sectarian - maybe Racists then ??
Can I just say that the IRA weren't actually sectarian.......... "
No youll find their agenda again was Irish Republicanism and left wing nationalism. They did commit some horrible acts though but again their agenda was never catholic rule. Anti Republicans were in the vast majority protestant. And Unionist and Nationalist are both traditionally white people so no racism. The sectarianism was usually on the protestant side. That's not pointing fingers thats the truth. Catholics couldn't get jobs etc... When the North was in the full control of Unionists. That's sectarianism even if its not violent. It resulted it the Catholic v Protestant shit but in reality it was Irish Republicanism v Unionism. Members of either group were just usually Catholic or protestant but on the Republican side I'm not aware of out right rules of no protestants allowed like we all know about the orange order |
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"Op the title of your thread is "the ulsterisation of Scotland by scots tories" do you think the snp are also guilty of it by having ira sympathisers in their ranks? Or are you that bigoted you think it's a one way street? I'm desperate for you to prove you're not a bigot but you're failing miserably"
Yes the ulsterisation of scotland being the tories allowing councilors to openly be anti catholic ,now i have condemed bigotry a few times in this thread but you have only posted twice not once have you condemed the anti catholic stance by the tories ,and you have called me a bigot twice well im not going to lower myself to a nuckledragger like yourself,why dont you give evidence of one snp person who has used secterianism to win votes cmon give one |
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""i said before i condem all secterianism maybe you never READ that"
But you haven't done it, have you?
Empty words, what you say is not what you do.
You have only attacked one side.
You turn a blind eye.
I do wonder why? "
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""i said before i condem all secterianism maybe you never READ that"
But you haven't done it, have you?
Empty words, what you say is not what you do.
You have only attacked one side.
You turn a blind eye.
I do wonder why? "
If you take your blue tainted glasses off you will see i have condemed all bigots and secterianism a few times on here ,it seems you and others are trying to turn this into somethinging its not ,seems ive hit a nerve with a few of you dont like hearing the truth about you being all bigots |
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Your definition of bigot and sectarian is not the same as others would use, the fact that you use the term "blue tainted glasses" suggests to me that you are indeed bigoted and sectarian.
You may deny it, but your own words betray you. |
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Realistically we're all in danger of looking stupid here. This whole Catholic /Protestant divide won't even exist in a decade or two. No young people are going to church. The DUP needs to fall away into the wilderness though. |
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"Your definition of bigot and sectarian is not the same as others would use, the fact that you use the term "blue tainted glasses" suggests to me that you are indeed bigoted and sectarian.
You may deny it, but your own words betray you. "
Haha expeced that from you lol ,now that you are here maybe you can give me one instance of any snp councilor or msp being secterian or bigoted to win votes ? |
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"Realistically we're all in danger of looking stupid here. This whole Catholic /Protestant divide won't even exist in a decade or two. No young people are going to church. The DUP needs to fall away into the wilderness though. "
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"Op the title of your thread is "the ulsterisation of Scotland by scots tories" do you think the snp are also guilty of it by having ira sympathisers in their ranks? Or are you that bigoted you think it's a one way street? I'm desperate for you to prove you're not a bigot but you're failing miserably
Yes the ulsterisation of scotland being the tories allowing councilors to openly be anti catholic ,now i have condemed bigotry a few times in this thread but you have only posted twice not once have you condemed the anti catholic stance by the tories ,and you have called me a bigot twice well im not going to lower myself to a nuckledragger like yourself,why dont you give evidence of one snp person who has used secterianism to win votes cmon give one "
You must have trouble reading as I've condemned the tories from the start and the snp. There is no place in Scottish politics for any of the Irish troubles or sectarian crap. You've proved yourself to be what you are. Enjoy your weekend |
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"Op the title of your thread is "the ulsterisation of Scotland by scots tories" do you think the snp are also guilty of it by having ira sympathisers in their ranks? Or are you that bigoted you think it's a one way street? I'm desperate for you to prove you're not a bigot but you're failing miserably
Yes the ulsterisation of scotland being the tories allowing councilors to openly be anti catholic ,now i have condemed bigotry a few times in this thread but you have only posted twice not once have you condemed the anti catholic stance by the tories ,and you have called me a bigot twice well im not going to lower myself to a nuckledragger like yourself,why dont you give evidence of one snp person who has used secterianism to win votes cmon give one
You must have trouble reading as I've condemned the tories from the start and the snp. There is no place in Scottish politics for any of the Irish troubles or sectarian crap. You've proved yourself to be what you are. Enjoy your weekend "
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"Op the title of your thread is "the ulsterisation of Scotland by scots tories" do you think the snp are also guilty of it by having ira sympathisers in their ranks? Or are you that bigoted you think it's a one way street? I'm desperate for you to prove you're not a bigot but you're failing miserably
Yes the ulsterisation of scotland being the tories allowing councilors to openly be anti catholic ,now i have condemed bigotry a few times in this thread but you have only posted twice not once have you condemed the anti catholic stance by the tories ,and you have called me a bigot twice well im not going to lower myself to a nuckledragger like yourself,why dont you give evidence of one snp person who has used secterianism to win votes cmon give one
You must have trouble reading as I've condemned the tories from the start and the snp. There is no place in Scottish politics for any of the Irish troubles or sectarian crap. You've proved yourself to be what you are. Enjoy your weekend "
As i thought no evidence ,dont scrape your nuckles to much on the way out lol  |
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"Op the title of your thread is "the ulsterisation of Scotland by scots tories" do you think the snp are also guilty of it by having ira sympathisers in their ranks? Or are you that bigoted you think it's a one way street? I'm desperate for you to prove you're not a bigot but you're failing miserably
Yes the ulsterisation of scotland being the tories allowing councilors to openly be anti catholic ,now i have condemed bigotry a few times in this thread but you have only posted twice not once have you condemed the anti catholic stance by the tories ,and you have called me a bigot twice well im not going to lower myself to a nuckledragger like yourself,why dont you give evidence of one snp person who has used secterianism to win votes cmon give one
You must have trouble reading as I've condemned the tories from the start and the snp. There is no place in Scottish politics for any of the Irish troubles or sectarian crap. You've proved yourself to be what you are. Enjoy your weekend
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Seems i hit a nerve eh prickly dont like ppl finding out how bigoted your brethren are thats why you try to deflect away from the truth ,still waiting on evidence from you thats 3rd time ive asked |
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"Op the title of your thread is "the ulsterisation of Scotland by scots tories" do you think the snp are also guilty of it by having ira sympathisers in their ranks? Or are you that bigoted you think it's a one way street? I'm desperate for you to prove you're not a bigot but you're failing miserably
Yes the ulsterisation of scotland being the tories allowing councilors to openly be anti catholic ,now i have condemed bigotry a few times in this thread but you have only posted twice not once have you condemed the anti catholic stance by the tories ,and you have called me a bigot twice well im not going to lower myself to a nuckledragger like yourself,why dont you give evidence of one snp person who has used secterianism to win votes cmon give one
You must have trouble reading as I've condemned the tories from the start and the snp. There is no place in Scottish politics for any of the Irish troubles or sectarian crap. You've proved yourself to be what you are. Enjoy your weekend
As i thought no evidence ,dont scrape your nuckles to much on the way out lol "
This was posted earlier in the thread, perhaps you missed it?
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SNP Councillor Alan Casey. Played in a band at a memorial event for an IRA member. Posted on Social media 'up the provos' and In 2012, he also paid paid tribute to IRA volunteers Declan Martin and Henry Hogan: “Killed on active service 28 years ago today while engaging in a gun battle with undercover SAS scum"
SNP MSP John Mason. Sturgeon was forced to apologise on his behalf for his remarks to those seeking justice for the murder of 3 young Scottish soldiers by the IRA. For a party that claims to stick up for Scotland he refused to support the campaign for justice saying he was 'not taking sides between Irish and British' and when someone, rightly, said the IRA killers were murderers he replied 'You say Irish murderers others say freedom fighters. I support Scottish soldiers if they do good, not if they do bad'. Incredible claiming that a 17, 18 and 23 year old who were lured to their death from a bar were 'doing bad'.
James Dornan has been accused of having IRA sympathies in the past. He denies it but it doesn't help when he's pictured at an event celebrating the Easter uprising in front of the flag of a banned terrorist organisation
Brendan O'Hara SNP MP used a sectarian term for protestants and again an SNP spokesman had to issue an apology.
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"Op the title of your thread is "the ulsterisation of Scotland by scots tories" do you think the snp are also guilty of it by having ira sympathisers in their ranks? Or are you that bigoted you think it's a one way street? I'm desperate for you to prove you're not a bigot but you're failing miserably
Yes the ulsterisation of scotland being the tories allowing councilors to openly be anti catholic ,now i have condemed bigotry a few times in this thread but you have only posted twice not once have you condemed the anti catholic stance by the tories ,and you have called me a bigot twice well im not going to lower myself to a nuckledragger like yourself,why dont you give evidence of one snp person who has used secterianism to win votes cmon give one
You must have trouble reading as I've condemned the tories from the start and the snp. There is no place in Scottish politics for any of the Irish troubles or sectarian crap. You've proved yourself to be what you are. Enjoy your weekend
Seems i hit a nerve eh prickly dont like ppl finding out how bigoted your brethren are thats why you try to deflect away from the truth ,still waiting on evidence from you thats 3rd time ive asked "
You've just confirmed what most of us already knew with your brethren statement. You are a bigot and as much a part of the problem as the tories that you hate so much. I hope your weekend is shit now |
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