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New threat to Scotland

By *ustJ0die OP TV/TS over a year ago

Burton-on-Trent

There's been a story going about that a wall is to be built along the north of England, effectively cutting off Scotland from rUK.

Apparently some guy called Hadrian has started a crowdfunding campaign or something, to raise the bricks needed to complete the project and effectively break up the union!

Obviously something is needed to prevent the Scots coming over the border and pillaging our lands, but a wall? Surely the Duke of Northumberland could raise an army instead? A couple hundred heavy horse and a few cannon should keep them in their place.

What do people think?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To the most Holy Father and Lord in Christ, the Lord John, by divine providence Supreme Pontiff of the Holy Roman and Universal Church, his humble and devout sons Duncan, Earl of Fife, Thomas Randolph, Earl of Moray, Lord of Man and of Annandale, Patrick Dunbar, Earl of March, Malise, Earl of Strathearn, Malcolm, Earl of Lennox, William, Earl of Ross, Magnus, Earl of Caithness and Orkney, and William, Earl of Sutherland; Walter, Steward of Scotland, William Soules, Butler of Scotland, James, Lord of Douglas, Roger Mowbray, David, Lord of Brechin, David Graham, Ingram Umfraville, John Menteith, guardian of the earldom of Menteith, Alexander Fraser, Gilbert Hay, Constable of Scotland, Robert Keith, Marischal of Scotland, Henry St Clair, John Graham, David Lindsay, William Oliphant, Patrick Graham, John Fenton, William Abernethy, David Wemyss, William Mushet, Fergus of Ardrossan, Eustace Maxwell, William Ramsay, William Mowat, Alan Murray, Donald Campbell, John Cameron, Reginald Cheyne, Alexander Seton, Andrew Leslie, and Alexander Straiton, and the other barons and freeholders and the whole community of the realm of Scotland send all manner of filial reverence, with devout kisses of his blessed feet.

Most Holy Father and Lord, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown.

They journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes, but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous.

Thence they came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to their home in the west where they still live today.

The Britons they first drove out, the Picts they utterly destroyed, and, even though very often assailed by the Norwegians, the Danes and the English, they took possession of that home with many victories and untold efforts; and, as the historians of old time bear witness, they have held it free of all bondage ever since.

In their kingdom there have reigned one hundred and thirteen kings of their own royal stock, the line unbroken a single foreigner.

The high qualities and deserts of these people, were they not otherwise manifest, gain glory enough from this: that the King of kings and Lord of lords, our Lord Jesus Christ, after His Passion and Resurrection, called them, even though settled in the uttermost parts of the earth, almost the first to His most holy faith.

Nor would He have them confirmed in that faith by merely anyone but by the first of His Apostles - by calling, though second or third in rank - the most gentle Saint Andrew, the Blessed Peter's brother, and desired him to keep them under his protection as their patron forever.

The Most Holy Fathers your predecessors gave careful heed to these things and bestowed many favours and numerous privileges on this same kingdom and people, as being the special charge of the Blessed Peter's brother.

"It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

Thus our nation under their protection did indeed live in freedom and peace up to the time when that mighty prince the King of the English, Edward, the father of the one who reigns today, when our kingdom had no head and our people harboured no malice or treachery and were then unused to wars or invasions, came in the guise of a friend and ally to harass them as an enemy.

The deeds of cruelty, massacre, violence, pillage, arson, imprisoning prelates, burning down monasteries, robbing and killing monks and nuns, and yet other outrages without number which he committed against our people, sparing neither age nor sex, religion nor rank, no one could describe nor fully imagine unless he had seen them with his own eyes.

But from these countless evils we have been set free, by the help of Him Who though He afflicts yet heals and restores, by our most tireless Prince, King and Lord, the Lord Robert.

He, that his people and his heritage might be delivered out of the hands of our enemies, met toil and fatigue, hunger and peril, like another Macabaeus or Joshua and bore them cheerfully.

Him, too, divine providence, his right of succession according to or laws and customs which we shall maintain to the death, and the due consent and assent of us all have made our Prince and King.

To him, as to the man by whom salvation has been wrought unto our people, we are bound both by law and by his merits that our freedom may be still maintained, and by him, come what may, we mean to stand.

Yet if he should give up what he has begun, and agree to make us or our kingdom subject to the King of England or the English, we should exert ourselves at once to drive him out as our enemy and a subverter of his own rights and ours, and make some other man who was well able to defend us our King; for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule.

It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.

But from these countless evils we have been set free, by the help of Him Who though He afflicts yet heals and restores, by our most tireless Prince, King and Lord, the Lord Robert

Therefore it is, Reverend Father and Lord, that we beseech your Holiness with our most earnest prayers and suppliant hearts, inasmuch as you will in your sincerity and goodness consider all this, that, since with Him Whose Vice-Regent on earth you are there is neither weighing nor distinction of Jew and Greek, Scotsman or Englishman, you will look with the eyes of a father on the troubles and privation brought by the English upon us and upon the Church of God.

May it please you to admonish and exhort the King of the English, who ought to be satisfied with what belongs to him since England used once to be enough for seven kings or more, to leave us Scots in peace, who live in this poor little Scotland, beyond which there is no dwelling-place at all, and covet nothing but our own.

We are sincerely willing to do anything for him, having regard to our condition, that we can, to win peace for ourselves.

This truly concerns you, Holy Father, since you see the savagery of the heathen raging against the Christians, as the sins of Christians have indeed deserved, and the frontiers of Christendom being pressed inward every day; and how much it will tarnish your Holiness's memory if (which God forbid) the Church suffers eclipse or scandal in any branch of it during your time, you must perceive.

Then rouse the Christian princes who for false reasons pretend that they cannot go to help of the Holy Land because of wars they have on hand with their neighbours.

The real reason that prevents them is that in making war on their smaller neighbours they find quicker profit and weaker resistance.

But how cheerfully our Lord the King and we too would go there if the King of the English would leave us in peace, He from Whom nothing is hidden well knows; and we profess and declare it to you as the Vicar of Christ and to all Christendom.

But if your Holiness puts too much faith in the tales the English tell and will not give sincere belief to all this, nor refrain from favouring them to our prejudice, then the slaughter of bodies, the perdition of souls, and all the other misfortunes that will follow, inflicted by them on us and by us on them, will, we believe, be surely laid by the Most High to your charge.

To conclude, we are and shall ever be, as far as duty calls us, ready to do your will in all things, as obedient sons to you as His Vicar; and to Him as the Supreme King and Judge we commit the maintenance of our cause, casting our cares upon Him and firmly trusting that He will inspire us with courage and bring our enemies to nought.

May the Most High preserve you to his Holy Church in holiness and health and grant you length of days.

Given at the monastery of Arbroath in Scotland on the sixth day of the month of April in the year of grace thirteen hundred and twenty and the fifteenth year of the reign of our King aforesaid

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By *ammskiMan over a year ago

lytham st.annes

You better stop drinking before you do yourself harm lol

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By *utandbigMan over a year ago

Bournemouth

Now we wouldent want that would we

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By *ammskiMan over a year ago

lytham st.annes

It wasn’t aimed at cask boy,it was meant for Jodie

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By *ustJ0die OP TV/TS over a year ago

Burton-on-Trent

That's all well and good Cask, but what about the Barnett formula and getting a free goat for voting SNP?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

O flower of Scotland

When will we see your like again

That fought and died for

Your wee bit hill and glen

And stood against him

Proud Edward's army

And sent him homeward

Tae think again

The hills are bare now

And autumn leaves lie thick and still

O'er land that is lost now

Which those so dearly held

And stood against him

Proud Edward's army

And sent him homeward

Tae think again

Those days are passed now

And in the past they must remain

But we can still rise now

And be the nation again

That stood against him

Proud Edward's army

And sent him homeward

Tae think again

O Flower of Scotland - Scotland's (unofficial) National Anthem.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"O flower of Scotland

When will we see your like again

That fought and died for

Your wee bit hill and glen

And stood against him

Proud Edward's army

And sent him homeward

Tae think again

The hills are bare now

And autumn leaves lie thick and still

O'er land that is lost now

Which those so dearly held

And stood against him

Proud Edward's army

And sent him homeward

Tae think again

Those days are passed now

And in the past they must remain

But we can still rise now

And be the nation again

That stood against him

Proud Edward's army

And sent him homeward

Tae think again

O Flower of Scotland - Scotland's (unofficial) National Anthem.

"
I'll drink with you old timer.

Bottoms up.

That hang over won't help with your gold prospecting tomorrow.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’m sure there’s a few Scots who would gladly help build that wall . Bit of a shit thread op. Obv you have something against Scotland??.

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By *inkyHnSCouple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

England paying for it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We will pay for the wall kinky when we get independence. We could afford it then seeing as we won’t be getting bled dry propping up that west minister shambles.

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By *ustJ0die OP TV/TS over a year ago

Burton-on-Trent

"I’m sure there’s a few Scots who would gladly help build that wall . Bit of a shit thread op. Obv you have something against Scotland??. "

It's a tenuous satire on one of Kinky's usual threads, not surprised you don't get it as nationalism doesn't breed a sense of humour.

Apologies if it's a bit crap, but I've spent all day writing about shootings and am a bit tired.

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By *inkyHnSCouple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"I’m sure there’s a few Scots who would gladly help build that wall . Bit of a shit thread op. Obv you have something against Scotland??.

It's a tenuous satire on one of Kinky's usual threads, not surprised you don't get it as nationalism doesn't breed a sense of humour.

Apologies if it's a bit crap, but I've spent all day writing about shootings and am a bit tired. "

Ah but Britnats are ok eh? don't tell me you don't think Britnats don't exist?

Good though you took my advice and created your own thread lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Scots have proud songs for proud nation, but then the English can always sing sweet chariot lol

I don't know if you can see, the changes that have come over me

In these last few days, I've been afraid that I might drift away

And I've been tellin old stories, singing songs

That made me think about where I came from

And That's the reason why I seem so far away today.

Chorus

Oh but let me tell you that I love you

And I think about you all the time

Caledonia your callin me and now I'm goin home

But if I should become a stranger

You know that it would make me more than sad

Caledonia you, ve been everythin I've ever had.

Well I've been moved, and I've kept on movin

Proved the points that I needed proovin

Lost the friends I needed loosin

Found others on the way

I have kissed the ladies and left them cryin

Stolen dreams yes there's no denying

Travelled hard with contience flyin

Somewhere with the wind

Repeat chorus

Now I'm sitting here, before the fire

The empty room the forest choir

Flames that couldn't get any higher

They've withered now there gone

But I'm steady thinking my way is clear,

And I know what I will do tomorrow

When the hands I've shaken and the kisses flown I will dissapear

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"O flower of Scotland

When will we see your like again

That fought and died for

Your wee bit hill and glen

And stood against him

Proud Edward's army

And sent him homeward

Tae think again

The hills are bare now

And autumn leaves lie thick and still

O'er land that is lost now

Which those so dearly held

And stood against him

Proud Edward's army

And sent him homeward

Tae think again

Those days are passed now

And in the past they must remain

But we can still rise now

And be the nation again

That stood against him

Proud Edward's army

And sent him homeward

Tae think again

O Flower of Scotland - Scotland's (unofficial) National Anthem.

I'll drink with you old timer.

Bottoms up.

That hang over won't help with your gold prospecting tomorrow.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-43078880

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By *inkyHnSCouple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Scots have proud songs for proud nation, but then the English can always sing sweet chariot lol

I don't know if you can see, the changes that have come over me

In these last few days, I've been afraid that I might drift away

And I've been tellin old stories, singing songs

That made me think about where I came from

And That's the reason why I seem so far away today.

Chorus

Oh but let me tell you that I love you

And I think about you all the time

Caledonia your callin me and now I'm goin home

But if I should become a stranger

You know that it would make me more than sad

Caledonia you, ve been everythin I've ever had.

Well I've been moved, and I've kept on movin

Proved the points that I needed proovin

Lost the friends I needed loosin

Found others on the way

I have kissed the ladies and left them cryin

Stolen dreams yes there's no denying

Travelled hard with contience flyin

Somewhere with the wind

Repeat chorus

Now I'm sitting here, before the fire

The empty room the forest choir

Flames that couldn't get any higher

They've withered now there gone

But I'm steady thinking my way is clear,

And I know what I will do tomorrow

When the hands I've shaken and the kisses flown I will dissapear"

Ah Caledonia fucking beautiful song i wouldnt mind that being the national anthem

Do England have one ? I mean i though " God save the queen was the British national anthem

I see a pattern of what England dont have is that cause the leech on the the UK thinking people outside the UK will think if your from the UK you must be from England and you have a British accent really means English accent lol

And the big one if Great Britain team or team or player represents the UK if he or she is born in Scotland , Wales or NI and does well he/she is from the UK if he/she doesnt do well well they are from Scotland ,Wales or NI thats the way it is lol

Take Andy Murray born in Scotland but if he wins he is from the UK if he loses no that fucker is Scottish lol

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

some will say that about Murray and others but not all by any stretch but hey given its you Kinky just go with whatever suits you eh..

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By *inkyHnSCouple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"some will say that about Murray and others but not all by any stretch but hey given its you Kinky just go with whatever suits you eh..

Yes some 100% do say that not all but yeah some

Fact is it does happen correct ? Lol

Btw help me out what is Englands national anthem ? Hehe

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple over a year ago

canterbury

I've got some bricks u can have for nowt ..as it's for a good cause xx

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"some will say that about Murray and others but not all by any stretch but hey given its you Kinky just go with whatever suits you eh..

Yes some 100% do say that not all but yeah some

Fact is it does happen correct ? Lol

Btw help me out what is Englands national anthem ? Hehe "

read what i wrote and that will answer your 'question'..

we don't need a specific one we have a national one which we all share..

nothing wrong with having different songs/ anthems etc, regions and area's do and its what makes the sum of the parts that much more interesting..

i like the Archers theme..

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By *inkyHnSCouple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"some will say that about Murray and others but not all by any stretch but hey given its you Kinky just go with whatever suits you eh..

Yes some 100% do say that not all but yeah some

Fact is it does happen correct ? Lol

Btw help me out what is Englands national anthem ? Hehe

read what i wrote and that will answer your 'question'..

we don't need a specific one we have a national one which we all share..

nothing wrong with having different songs/ anthems etc, regions and area's do and its what makes the sum of the parts that much more interesting..

i like the Archers theme.. "

Ah right so what your saying is England do NOT have a national anthem ?

So " God save the queen " is what national anthem England or the UK ? Lmao

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hark when the night is falling

Hear! hear the pipes are calling,

Loudly and proudly calling,

Down thro' the glen.

There where the hills are sleeping,

Now feel the blood a-leaping,

High as the spirits

Of the old Highland men.

Towering in gallant fame,

Scotland my mountain hame,

High may your proud

Standards gloriously wave,

Land of my high endeavour,

Land of the shining river,

Land of my heart for ever,

Scotland the brave.

High in the misty Highlands,

Out by the purple islands,

Brave are the hearts that beat

Beneath Scottish skies.

Wild are the winds to meet you,

Staunch are the friends that greet you,

Kind as the love that shines

From fair maiden's eyes.

Towering in gallant fame,

Scotland my mountain hame,

High may your proud

Standards gloriously wave,

Land of my high endeavour,

Land of the shining river,

Land of my heart for ever,

Scotland the brave.

Far off in sunlit places,

Sad are the Scottish faces,

Yearning to feel the kiss

Of sweet Scottish rain.

Where tropic skies are beaming,

Love sets the heart a-dreaming,

Longing and dreaming for the homeland again.

Towering in gallant fame,

Scotland my mountain hame,

High may your proud

Standards gloriously wave,

Land of my high endeavour,

Land of the shining river,

Land of my heart for ever,

Scotland the brave

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By *inkyHnSCouple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Oh this is good how about this wee Scottish song

Scots wha hae wi’ Wallace bled

Scots wham Bruce has aften led

Welcome tae your gory bed

Or tae victory

Now’s the day and now’s the hour

See the front o’ battle lour

See approach proud Edward’s power

Chains and slavery

Wha will be a traitor knave

Wha can fill a coward’s grave

Wha sae base as be a slave

Let him turn and flee

Wha for Scotland’s King and law

Freedom’s sword will strongly draw

Freeman stand or freeman fa’

Let him follow me.

By oppression’s woes and pains

By your sons in servile chains

We will drain oor dearest veins

But they shall be free

Lay the proud usurpers low

Tyrants fall in every foe

Liberty’s in every blow

Let us do or dee

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

Sod all this stuff about songs and let's get back to the heart of the matter.

If Scotland wants to become independent then we want The City of Edinburgh, East Lothian, Midlothian, West Lothian and the Scottish Borders back and reincorporated back in Northumbria as they were before they were annexed by Scotland.

Give us back our whole country and all its lands now!!!

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By *inkyHnSCouple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Sod all this stuff about songs and let's get back to the heart of the matter.

Give us back our whole country and all its lands now!!!

Which country you on aboot again ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We sing this down here.

Ye mariners all, as ye pass by

Come in and drink if you are dry

Come spend, me lads, your money brisk

And pop your nose in a jug of this

Oh mariners all, if you've half a crown

You're welcome all for to sit down

Come spend, me lads, your money brisk

And pop your nose in a jug of this

Oh tipplers all, as you pass by

Come in and drink if you are dry

Come in and drink, think not amis

And pop your nose in a jug of this

Oh now I'm old and can scarcely crawl

I've a long grey beard and a head that's bald

Crown my desire, fulfill my bliss

A pretty girl and a jug of this

And when I'm in my grave and dead

And all my sorrows are past and fled

Transform me then into a fish

And let me swim in a jug of this

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By *inkyHnSCouple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

TItle of this thread is interesting

The threat to Scotland is remaining in the UK with a hard brexit on the way

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"some will say that about Murray and others but not all by any stretch but hey given its you Kinky just go with whatever suits you eh..

Yes some 100% do say that not all but yeah some

Fact is it does happen correct ? Lol

Btw help me out what is Englands national anthem ? Hehe

read what i wrote and that will answer your 'question'..

we don't need a specific one we have a national one which we all share..

nothing wrong with having different songs/ anthems etc, regions and area's do and its what makes the sum of the parts that much more interesting..

i like the Archers theme..

Ah right so what your saying is England do NOT have a national anthem ?

So " God save the queen " is what national anthem England or the UK ? Lmao

when i see your responses even on a lighthearted thread i am minded of a person for whom the phrase 'could start an argument in an empty room' fits well..

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By *ustJ0die OP TV/TS over a year ago

Burton-on-Trent

As I said, nationalists=no sense of humour.

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By *inkyHnSCouple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"As I said, nationalists=no sense of humour.

Yeah britnat yoons your right they dont

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sod all this stuff about songs and let's get back to the heart of the matter.

Give us back our whole country and all its lands now!!!

Carlisle was owned by Scotland before you lot stole it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As I said, nationalists=no sense of humour.

And what qualifies you to say nationalists have no sense of humour.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Sod all this stuff about songs and let's get back to the heart of the matter.

Give us back our whole country and all its lands now!!!

Carlisle was owned by Scotland before you lot stole it

This speaks another person who thinks they're Scottish but is actually probably more Anglo Saxon than me. How far back you going.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sod all this stuff about songs and let's get back to the heart of the matter.

Give us back our whole country and all its lands now!!!

Carlisle was owned by Scotland before you lot stole it

This speaks another person who thinks they're Scottish but is actually probably more Anglo Saxon than me. How far back you going."

By the time of the Norman conquest in 1066, Carlisle was part of Scotland. It was not recorded in the 1086 Domesday Book. This changed in 1092, when William the Conqueror's son William Rufus invaded the region and incorporated Cumberland and Carlisle into England.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To the most Holy Father and Lord in Christ, the Lord John, by divine providence Supreme Pontiff of the Holy Roman and Universal Church, his humble and devout sons Duncan, Earl of Fife, Thomas Randolph, Earl of Moray, Lord of Man and of Annandale, Patrick Dunbar, Earl of March, Malise, Earl of Strathearn, Malcolm, Earl of Lennox, William, Earl of Ross, Magnus, Earl of Caithness and Orkney, and William, Earl of Sutherland; Walter, Steward of Scotland, William Soules, Butler of Scotland, James, Lord of Douglas, Roger Mowbray, David, Lord of Brechin, David Graham, Ingram Umfraville, John Menteith, guardian of the earldom of Menteith, Alexander Fraser, Gilbert Hay, Constable of Scotland, Robert Keith, Marischal of Scotland, Henry St Clair, John Graham, David Lindsay, William Oliphant, Patrick Graham, John Fenton, William Abernethy, David Wemyss, William Mushet, Fergus of Ardrossan, Eustace Maxwell, William Ramsay, William Mowat, Alan Murray, Donald Campbell, John Cameron, Reginald Cheyne, Alexander Seton, Andrew Leslie, and Alexander Straiton, and the other barons and freeholders and the whole community of the realm of Scotland send all manner of filial reverence, with devout kisses of his blessed feet.