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"Scotland has 8% of the UK population, and has 9% of the MPs. Other devolved parliaments are as much in line with their populations. The Boundary Commission reviews on a regular basis. End of thread!" Should Westminster rule end ? | |||
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"Scotland has 8% of the UK population, and has 9% of the MPs. Other devolved parliaments are as much in line with their populations. The Boundary Commission reviews on a regular basis. End of thread!" Perfectly put; though I suspect you're wasting your breath on here. | |||
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"Discuss....... Scotland has a devolved parliament that deals with Scottish issues Wales has a devolved assembly that deals with welsh issues Northern Ireland has a devolved assembly that deals with Irish issues So I don’t see the point you are trying to make "Fabio You should know that the Scottish government do not have control of ALL powers correct ? So should Westminster rule end and for England to have its own devolved parliament ? With 533 English mps Westminster is an English parilament in all but name right ? But somehow people are conned into thinking its a UK parilament | |||
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"In all the posts so far not one has answered this Should Westminster rule end and for England to have their own devolved parilament ? " No, why should it? | |||
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"Discuss....... Scotland has a devolved parliament that deals with Scottish issues Wales has a devolved assembly that deals with welsh issues Northern Ireland has a devolved assembly that deals with Irish issues So I don’t see the point you are trying to make
Fabio
You should know that the Scottish government do not have control of ALL powers correct ?
So should Westminster rule end and for England to have its own devolved parliament ?
With 533 English mps Westminster is an English parilament in all but name right ? But somehow people are conned into thinking its a UK parilament "So that is the argument you are desperately trying to score points with.... So let me put it in a way that even you can understand Let me pick a random topic... fox hunting! Now if the rules of said fox hunting only relate to the people of Scotland... which parliament is that decided in? Westminster.... or holyrood? | |||
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"In all the posts so far not one has answered this Should Westminster rule end and for England to have their own devolved parilament ? No, why should it? " So you dont want an English parilament why is that ? | |||
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"Discuss....... Scotland has a devolved parliament that deals with Scottish issues Wales has a devolved assembly that deals with welsh issues Northern Ireland has a devolved assembly that deals with Irish issues So I don’t see the point you are trying to make
Fabio
You should know that the Scottish government do not have control of ALL powers correct ?
So should Westminster rule end and for England to have its own devolved parliament ?
With 533 English mps Westminster is an English parilament in all but name right ? But somehow people are conned into thinking its a UK parilament
So that is the argument you are desperately trying to score points with....
So let me put it in a way that even you can understand
Let me pick a random topic... fox hunting!
Now if the rules of said fox hunting only relate to the people of Scotland... which parliament is that decided in?
Westminster.... or holyrood?"You see the double standards in here Fabio You just by passed my questions to ask your own lol | |||
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"In all the posts so far not one has answered this Should Westminster rule end and for England to have their own devolved parilament ? No, why should it? So you dont want an English parilament why is that ? " Because the UK Parliament, along with the devolved powers, works well for us all. | |||
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" Should Westminster rule end ? " The people of Scotland were asked that question in 2014 and said "No" | |||
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" Should Westminster rule end ? The people of Scotland were asked that question in 2014 and said "No"" Yes Kinky it's all hypothetical. | |||
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" Should Westminster rule end ? The people of Scotland were asked that question in 2014 and said "No"" This.. | |||
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"In all the posts so far not one has answered this Should Westminster rule end and for England to have their own devolved parilament ? No, why should it? So you dont want an English parilament why is that ? Because the UK Parliament, along with the devolved powers, works well for us all." Thats not an answer lol Why is it you dont want an English parilament ? How does the UK government work well for Scotland eh ? Why should Scotland get Tory cuts forced on our budget eh ? You have a problem see why is it UK Labour come up to Scotland and blame the cuts on SNP But in Wales where Labour are in government they blame the Tories for cuts strange dont you think ? Lol So how is the UK working well for Scotland with Tory cuts forced on us ? I expect no answers to these questions as i know they are hard to answer for unionists lol | |||
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"Why isn't it an answer? Seems pretty clear to me. Care to answer the question I posed earlier? Why should it?" Who does it work well for eh ? Scotland didnt vote and elect a Tory government so why should we suffer Tory cuts ? Unless you do the Labour thing and try blame the cuts on the SNP when the SNP are not in charge of the UK treasury oops did i let that slip lol Why should England have its own deloved parilament your asking ? Lol answer is to make the UK fair and equal unless your saying it is ? Strange to say that lol | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol" Because until you have enough numbers to actually vote it in its not on most people's what's important today list? | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol" They've not voted to have a second referendum. | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum. "Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol" No it can be argued that 36% want another referendum | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament "No, they voted for their MSPs.....thats not the same as voting specifically for a referendum | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament "You are preoccupied with another referendum. Why will you not accept the last 1 ?. Suck it up | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament
No, they voted for their MSPs.....thats not the same as voting specifically for a referendum"Ah right so aee you now saying people dont vote for parties manifesto now ? Thats new one lol | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament
No, they voted for their MSPs.....thats not the same as voting specifically for a referendum"Sorry forgot you talk for all of scotland but albeit a very small sample the 7 scottish friends i have are 6 to 1 against a second referendum | |||
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"The other wee thing i see people put which only adds to the case of the UK breaking apart Is when you see someone say why should 8% of Scottish elected mps have as much say as 82% of elected English mps Ok then i ask why should English mps have more of say than Scottish mps in a so called UK parilament ? Your wonderful rUK is not so great after all and its more like a dictatorship " It really does twist you out of shape to use words like " Dictatorship" You really must be tormented . | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament
No, they voted for their MSPs.....thats not the same as voting specifically for a referendum
Ah right so aee you now saying people dont vote for parties manifesto now ? Thats new one lol "You are aware that the SNP actually lost vote share in the 2016 election, and didn't gain over 50% of the Scottish electorate? So how can you say that the "people of Scotland want another independence vote"? | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament You are preoccupied with another referendum. Why will you not accept the last 1 ?. Suck it up"Ah there is that UK democratic i keep hearing about so in a demcracy you only get one vote and can never have one again ? Lol who is being anti democratic ? Let this fucking sink in and actually think out it lol if the 2014 Scottish independence referendum has not been accepted then that would mean the Scottish government would have ignored the vite and called for independence anyway so are you saying Scotland is independent right now ? What actually makes you believe the 2014Scottish independence referendum vote has not been accepted ? Lol breaking news democracy is NOT a one off event | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament
No, they voted for their MSPs.....thats not the same as voting specifically for a referendum
Ah right so aee you now saying people dont vote for parties manifesto now ? Thats new one lol
You are aware that the SNP actually lost vote share in the 2016 election, and didn't gain over 50% of the Scottish electorate?
So how can you say that the "people of Scotland want another independence vote"?"There is a pro indy majority in Holyrood and that section 30 order which was democratically debated and vited on and it passed 69-59 is that not to be respected now ? | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament You are preoccupied with another referendum. Why will you not accept the last 1 ?. Suck it up
Ah there is that UK democratic i keep hearing about so in a demcracy you only get one vote and can never have one again ? Lol who is being anti democratic ?
Let this fucking sink in and actually think out it lol if the 2014 Scottish independence referendum has not been accepted then that would mean the Scottish government would have ignored the vite and called for independence anyway so are you saying Scotland is independent right now ?
What actually makes you believe the 2014Scottish independence referendum vote has not been accepted ? Lol breaking news democracy is NOT a one off event "Of course not, So how often and who funds this?? And if don't get vote you want? You go again til you do.??? It broke Alex. Let it go. It will break you | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament
No, they voted for their MSPs.....thats not the same as voting specifically for a referendum
Ah right so aee you now saying people dont vote for parties manifesto now ? Thats new one lol
You are aware that the SNP actually lost vote share in the 2016 election, and didn't gain over 50% of the Scottish electorate?
So how can you say that the "people of Scotland want another independence vote"?
There is a pro indy majority in Holyrood and that section 30 order which was democratically debated and vited on and it passed 69-59 is that not to be respected now ? "Youre not answering the questions being raised. I am aware what Holyrood passed but that is not the same as you claimed. "The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happily ignore that democratic vote" There has not been a vote in Scotland to have a secound referendum. The SNP do not speak for the whole of Scotland, not even half of it. You wil be aware that people vote for their MSP for a variety of reasons, and yes, independence may well be one of those. Its not a given that everyone that voted for a SNP MSP, would vote for another referendum or independence. | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament You are preoccupied with another referendum. Why will you not accept the last 1 ?. Suck it up
Ah there is that UK democratic i keep hearing about so in a demcracy you only get one vote and can never have one again ? Lol who is being anti democratic ?
Let this fucking sink in and actually think out it lol if the 2014 Scottish independence referendum has not been accepted then that would mean the Scottish government would have ignored the vite and called for independence anyway so are you saying Scotland is independent right now ?
What actually makes you believe the 2014Scottish independence referendum vote has not been accepted ? Lol breaking news democracy is NOT a one off event Of course not, So how often and who funds this?? And if don't get vote you want? You go again til you do.??? It broke Alex. Let it go. It will break you "You really dont get democracy eh lol Take a wild guess why non of the unionist branch offices never put in their manifesto saying there can never be another independence referendum ? Answer is that would be very anti democratic lol | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament You are preoccupied with another referendum. Why will you not accept the last 1 ?. Suck it up
Ah there is that UK democratic i keep hearing about so in a demcracy you only get one vote and can never have one again ? Lol who is being anti democratic ?
Let this fucking sink in and actually think out it lol if the 2014 Scottish independence referendum has not been accepted then that would mean the Scottish government would have ignored the vite and called for independence anyway so are you saying Scotland is independent right now ?
What actually makes you believe the 2014Scottish independence referendum vote has not been accepted ? Lol breaking news democracy is NOT a one off event Of course not, So how often and who funds this?? And if don't get vote you want? You go again til you do.??? It broke Alex. Let it go. It will break you
You really dont get democracy eh lol
Take a wild guess why non of the unionist branch offices never put in their manifesto saying there can never be another independence referendum ?
Answer is that would be very anti democratic lol"I totally get it. The here and now is a result of 2014. A No vote. You yearn for another vote. Does your fellow countrymen? Not seeing or hearing too much urgency. | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament
No, they voted for their MSPs.....thats not the same as voting specifically for a referendum
Ah right so aee you now saying people dont vote for parties manifesto now ? Thats new one lol
You are aware that the SNP actually lost vote share in the 2016 election, and didn't gain over 50% of the Scottish electorate?
So how can you say that the "people of Scotland want another independence vote"?
There is a pro indy majority in Holyrood and that section 30 order which was democratically debated and vited on and it passed 69-59 is that not to be respected now ?
Youre not answering the questions being raised.
I am aware what Holyrood passed but that is not the same as you claimed. "The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happily ignore that democratic vote"
There has not been a vote in Scotland to have a secound referendum.
The SNP do not speak for the whole of Scotland, not even half of it.
You wil be aware that people vote for their MSP for a variety of reasons, and yes, independence may well be one of those. Its not a given that everyone that voted for a SNP MSP, would vote for another referendum or independence."You seem happy though for the Tories to speak for the whole of the UK When did Vote for EU referendum ? When did Scotland vote for cuts ? When did Scotland vote to keep trident ? And so on.... | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament You are preoccupied with another referendum. Why will you not accept the last 1 ?. Suck it up
Ah there is that UK democratic i keep hearing about so in a demcracy you only get one vote and can never have one again ? Lol who is being anti democratic ?
Let this fucking sink in and actually think out it lol if the 2014 Scottish independence referendum has not been accepted then that would mean the Scottish government would have ignored the vite and called for independence anyway so are you saying Scotland is independent right now ?
What actually makes you believe the 2014Scottish independence referendum vote has not been accepted ? Lol breaking news democracy is NOT a one off event Of course not, So how often and who funds this?? And if don't get vote you want? You go again til you do.??? It broke Alex. Let it go. It will break you
You really dont get democracy eh lol
Take a wild guess why non of the unionist branch offices never put in their manifesto saying there can never be another independence referendum ?
Answer is that would be very anti democratic lol I totally get it. The here and now is a result of 2014. A No vote. You yearn for another vote.
Does your fellow countrymen?
Not seeing or hearing too much urgency. "Are you deaf ? Lol would explain alot When the final brexit deal is known then if its a hard brexit then Scotland has ever right to use the democratic mandate it has to hold a independence referendum | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament
No, they voted for their MSPs.....thats not the same as voting specifically for a referendum
Ah right so aee you now saying people dont vote for parties manifesto now ? Thats new one lol
You are aware that the SNP actually lost vote share in the 2016 election, and didn't gain over 50% of the Scottish electorate?
So how can you say that the "people of Scotland want another independence vote"?
There is a pro indy majority in Holyrood and that section 30 order which was democratically debated and vited on and it passed 69-59 is that not to be respected now ?
Youre not answering the questions being raised.
I am aware what Holyrood passed but that is not the same as you claimed. "The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happily ignore that democratic vote"
There has not been a vote in Scotland to have a secound referendum.
The SNP do not speak for the whole of Scotland, not even half of it.
You wil be aware that people vote for their MSP for a variety of reasons, and yes, independence may well be one of those. Its not a given that everyone that voted for a SNP MSP, would vote for another referendum or independence.
You seem happy though for the Tories to speak for the whole of the UK
When did Vote for EU referendum ?
When did Scotland vote for cuts ?
When did Scotland vote to keep trident ?
And so on...."Look Kinky even Nicolas has Shelved plans Re : referendum. Take to your bed with the Scottish flag Duvet cover n pillows. And put this Desperation for another referendum to bed til at least the Autumn of 2018 that Nicola has said. | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament
No, they voted for their MSPs.....thats not the same as voting specifically for a referendum
Ah right so aee you now saying people dont vote for parties manifesto now ? Thats new one lol
You are aware that the SNP actually lost vote share in the 2016 election, and didn't gain over 50% of the Scottish electorate?
So how can you say that the "people of Scotland want another independence vote"?
There is a pro indy majority in Holyrood and that section 30 order which was democratically debated and vited on and it passed 69-59 is that not to be respected now ?
Youre not answering the questions being raised.
I am aware what Holyrood passed but that is not the same as you claimed. "The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happily ignore that democratic vote"
There has not been a vote in Scotland to have a secound referendum.
The SNP do not speak for the whole of Scotland, not even half of it.
You wil be aware that people vote for their MSP for a variety of reasons, and yes, independence may well be one of those. Its not a given that everyone that voted for a SNP MSP, would vote for another referendum or independence.
You seem happy though for the Tories to speak for the whole of the UK
When did Vote for EU referendum ?
When did Scotland vote for cuts ?
When did Scotland vote to keep trident ?
And so on...."Do you actually understand the democratic processes of a Parliament? | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament
No, they voted for their MSPs.....thats not the same as voting specifically for a referendum
Ah right so aee you now saying people dont vote for parties manifesto now ? Thats new one lol
You are aware that the SNP actually lost vote share in the 2016 election, and didn't gain over 50% of the Scottish electorate?
So how can you say that the "people of Scotland want another independence vote"?
There is a pro indy majority in Holyrood and that section 30 order which was democratically debated and vited on and it passed 69-59 is that not to be respected now ?
Youre not answering the questions being raised.
I am aware what Holyrood passed but that is not the same as you claimed. "The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happily ignore that democratic vote"
There has not been a vote in Scotland to have a secound referendum.
The SNP do not speak for the whole of Scotland, not even half of it.
You wil be aware that people vote for their MSP for a variety of reasons, and yes, independence may well be one of those. Its not a given that everyone that voted for a SNP MSP, would vote for another referendum or independence.
You seem happy though for the Tories to speak for the whole of the UK
When did Vote for EU referendum ?
When did Scotland vote for cuts ?
When did Scotland vote to keep trident ?
And so on....
Do you actually understand the democratic processes of a Parliament?
"Do you ? Go on answer those questions | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament You are preoccupied with another referendum. Why will you not accept the last 1 ?. Suck it up
Ah there is that UK democratic i keep hearing about so in a demcracy you only get one vote and can never have one again ? Lol who is being anti democratic ?
Let this fucking sink in and actually think out it lol if the 2014 Scottish independence referendum has not been accepted then that would mean the Scottish government would have ignored the vite and called for independence anyway so are you saying Scotland is independent right now ?
What actually makes you believe the 2014Scottish independence referendum vote has not been accepted ? Lol breaking news democracy is NOT a one off event Of course not, So how often and who funds this?? And if don't get vote you want? You go again til you do.??? It broke Alex. Let it go. It will break you
You really dont get democracy eh lol
Take a wild guess why non of the unionist branch offices never put in their manifesto saying there can never be another independence referendum ?
Answer is that would be very anti democratic lol I totally get it. The here and now is a result of 2014. A No vote. You yearn for another vote.
Does your fellow countrymen?
Not seeing or hearing too much urgency.
Are you deaf ? Lol would explain alot
When the final brexit deal is known then if its a hard brexit then Scotland has ever right to use the democratic mandate it has to hold a independence referendum "Again you go down the ifs n buts route. Accept what you voted for . Not you obviously. But Scotland | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament You are preoccupied with another referendum. Why will you not accept the last 1 ?. Suck it up
Ah there is that UK democratic i keep hearing about so in a demcracy you only get one vote and can never have one again ? Lol who is being anti democratic ?
Let this fucking sink in and actually think out it lol if the 2014 Scottish independence referendum has not been accepted then that would mean the Scottish government would have ignored the vite and called for independence anyway so are you saying Scotland is independent right now ?
What actually makes you believe the 2014Scottish independence referendum vote has not been accepted ? Lol breaking news democracy is NOT a one off event Of course not, So how often and who funds this?? And if don't get vote you want? You go again til you do.??? It broke Alex. Let it go. It will break you
You really dont get democracy eh lol
Take a wild guess why non of the unionist branch offices never put in their manifesto saying there can never be another independence referendum ?
Answer is that would be very anti democratic lol I totally get it. The here and now is a result of 2014. A No vote. You yearn for another vote.
Does your fellow countrymen?
Not seeing or hearing too much urgency.
Are you deaf ? Lol would explain alot
When the final brexit deal is known then if its a hard brexit then Scotland has ever right to use the democratic mandate it has to hold a independence referendum Again you go down the ifs n buts route. Accept what you voted for . Not you obviously. But Scotland "Ok in what way do you believe the 2014 independence referendum has not been respected ? This should tell us all if you understand democracy lol | |||
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"It is a myth to say that a vote for the SNP equates to a vote for independence. I lived in Scotland for 40+ years. I voted Labour. Until Labour lost its way and the SNP adopted Labour policies. I voted SNP. Not because I wanted independence - I knew any vote for that would be separate ballot - but because of their domestic policies. i left before the referendum so I did not get a vote in that. The UK is a hotchpot, for sure. Different voting systems, different forms of government all over the place. For me, the solution to keeping the UK intact looks increasingly like a federal state, where each country looks after its own domestic affairs and come together in areas of common interest, e.g. defence, foreign stuff. Three of the four countries have gone down that route. England chooses not to. That's fair enough. These things ought to be decided by the population directly affected. An English parliament, by virtue of its population base and revenue resource, would be far more powerful than any of the other legislatures. But I think the sense of British identity before any English identity is too strong for England to want to loosen those ties. " Over 100 years and Scotland is still waiting for Home Rule correct ? | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol They've not voted to have a second referendum.
Excuse me the Scottish people elected the SNP on their manfestio thats a mandate from the people of Scotland
And in Holyrood the debate and vote on a section 30 order passed democratically thats another mandate this time by parilament You are preoccupied with another referendum. Why will you not accept the last 1 ?. Suck it up
Ah there is that UK democratic i keep hearing about so in a demcracy you only get one vote and can never have one again ? Lol who is being anti democratic ?
Let this fucking sink in and actually think out it lol if the 2014 Scottish independence referendum has not been accepted then that would mean the Scottish government would have ignored the vite and called for independence anyway so are you saying Scotland is independent right now ?
What actually makes you believe the 2014Scottish independence referendum vote has not been accepted ? Lol breaking news democracy is NOT a one off event Of course not, So how often and who funds this?? And if don't get vote you want? You go again til you do.??? It broke Alex. Let it go. It will break you
You really dont get democracy eh lol
Take a wild guess why non of the unionist branch offices never put in their manifesto saying there can never be another independence referendum ?
Answer is that would be very anti democratic lol I totally get it. The here and now is a result of 2014. A No vote. You yearn for another vote.
Does your fellow countrymen?
Not seeing or hearing too much urgency.
Are you deaf ? Lol would explain alot
When the final brexit deal is known then if its a hard brexit then Scotland has ever right to use the democratic mandate it has to hold a independence referendum Again you go down the ifs n buts route. Accept what you voted for . Not you obviously. But Scotland
Ok in what way do you believe the 2014 independence referendum has not been respected ? This should tell us all if you understand democracy lol"It has. It's you with this internal hankering for another independence vote. Which your very own Nicola has Shelved in order to live with the vote . You know the democratic vote. | |||
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"It is a myth to say that a vote for the SNP equates to a vote for independence. I lived in Scotland for 40+ years. I voted Labour. Until Labour lost its way and the SNP adopted Labour policies. I voted SNP. Not because I wanted independence - I knew any vote for that would be separate ballot - but because of their domestic policies. i left before the referendum so I did not get a vote in that. The UK is a hotchpot, for sure. Different voting systems, different forms of government all over the place. For me, the solution to keeping the UK intact looks increasingly like a federal state, where each country looks after its own domestic affairs and come together in areas of common interest, e.g. defence, foreign stuff. Three of the four countries have gone down that route. England chooses not to. That's fair enough. These things ought to be decided by the population directly affected. An English parliament, by virtue of its population base and revenue resource, would be far more powerful than any of the other legislatures. But I think the sense of British identity before any English identity is too strong for England to want to loosen those ties. Over 100 years and Scotland is still waiting for Home Rule correct ?" Yes, because Scotland rejected it in 2014. Remember? | |||
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"MerseyMan This is what you said above "Why will you not accept the last 1 ?. Suck it up" Then your saying the 2014 independence referendum vote has been respected making your fucking mind up lmao Democracy is not a one off event correct ? " Yes it's you who is flogging a dead horse continually banging same drum. Nicola has Shelved it. I understand democracy fully. You will not be happy until your crusade for independence is complete I get it. Just democracy prevails and your fellow Scots chose to stay. | |||
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"Another thing i would be curious to know Who is to blame for the cuts onto Scotlands budget ? Is it the SNP and why ? Or is it the Tories and why ? Or do you all believe UK Labour blaming the SNP for cuts in Scotland But strange to think then Welsh Labour who are in government blame the Tories fir cuts into the Welsh budget lol One by one the lies has to stop and dont be fucking mugs wake up lol" Well actually..... because Scotland actually ended up with a 3% increase in the block grant given to you under the Barnett formula Any cuts WOULD be down to an SNP administration... labour would actually be correct in pointing that out | |||
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"MerseyMan This is what you said above "Why will you not accept the last 1 ?. Suck it up" Then your saying the 2014 independence referendum vote has been respected making your fucking mind up lmao Democracy is not a one off event correct ? Yes it's you who is flogging a dead horse continually banging same drum. Nicola has Shelved it. I understand democracy fully. You will not be happy until your crusade for independence is complete I get it. Just democracy prevails and your fellow Scots chose to stay. " What and i have no right to fight for Scotland to become independent now ? Its not been shelved the mandate is still there and the section 30 order has not been handed over yet as Nicola said she will fight for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market and customs union if the UK government go ahead with their hard brexit then get ready for an independence tgat ciukd break the UK apart | |||
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"Another thing i would be curious to know Who is to blame for the cuts onto Scotlands budget ? Is it the SNP and why ? Or is it the Tories and why ? Or do you all believe UK Labour blaming the SNP for cuts in Scotland But strange to think then Welsh Labour who are in government blame the Tories fir cuts into the Welsh budget lol One by one the lies has to stop and dont be fucking mugs wake up lol Well actually..... because Scotland actually ended up with a 3% increase in the block grant given to you under the Barnett formula Any cuts WOULD be down to an SNP administration... labour would actually be correct in pointing that out " out of interest whos to blame for cuts in Wales again ? So you believe the Tories are not cutting Scottish budget ? Imagine defending the Tories | |||
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"MerseyMan This is what you said above "Why will you not accept the last 1 ?. Suck it up" Then your saying the 2014 independence referendum vote has been respected making your fucking mind up lmao Democracy is not a one off event correct ? Yes it's you who is flogging a dead horse continually banging same drum. Nicola has Shelved it. I understand democracy fully. You will not be happy until your crusade for independence is complete I get it. Just democracy prevails and your fellow Scots chose to stay. What and i have no right to fight for Scotland to become independent now ? Its not been shelved the mandate is still there and the section 30 order has not been handed over yet as Nicola said she will fight for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market and customs union if the UK government go ahead with their hard brexit then get ready for an independence tgat ciukd break the UK apart " Of course you can. Just you quoted me incorrectly the Scots I feel have respected the vote. It eats you inside out .that's my point. And your blinkered views is what I mean. | |||
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"Ok lets go back Why is it people think Westminster is not an English parilament in all but name ? Give me examples of why you dont think it is" It's a UK Parliment, no iff's no but's, it's a UK Parliment as it is right now. You don't like the percentages of the make up of the UK Parliment then that's your problem. England does not need it's own Parliment until the day comes that England stands alone and the entire UK breaks away. I do not need to give any examples because there's only 1 fact and it trumps all your bleeding idiotic reasoning... It's the UK Parliment. | |||
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"Ok lets go back Why is it people think Westminster is not an English parilament in all but name ? Give me examples of why you dont think it is It's a UK Parliment, no iff's no but's, it's a UK Parliment as it is right now. You don't like the percentages of the make up of the UK Parliment then that's your problem. England does not need it's own Parliment until the day comes that England stands alone and the entire UK breaks away. I do not need to give any examples because there's only 1 fact and it trumps all your bleeding idiotic reasoning... It's the UK Parliment." Why is it England dont need their own parilament ? | |||
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"Ok lets go back Why is it people think Westminster is not an English parilament in all but name ? Give me examples of why you dont think it is It's a UK Parliment, no iff's no but's, it's a UK Parliment as it is right now. You don't like the percentages of the make up of the UK Parliment then that's your problem. England does not need it's own Parliment until the day comes that England stands alone and the entire UK breaks away. I do not need to give any examples because there's only 1 fact and it trumps all your bleeding idiotic reasoning... It's the UK Parliment. Why is it England dont need their own parilament ? " Why would we need a specific Parliment just for England when we are happy with the UK Parliment that covers the Entire United Kingdom ? | |||
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"Ok lets go back Why is it people think Westminster is not an English parilament in all but name ? Give me examples of why you dont think it is It's a UK Parliment, no iff's no but's, it's a UK Parliment as it is right now. You don't like the percentages of the make up of the UK Parliment then that's your problem. England does not need it's own Parliment until the day comes that England stands alone and the entire UK breaks away. I do not need to give any examples because there's only 1 fact and it trumps all your bleeding idiotic reasoning... It's the UK Parliment. Why is it England dont need their own parilament ? Why would we need a specific Parliment just for England when we are happy with the UK Parliment that covers the Entire United Kingdom ?" So what your saying is the Westminster parilament works well for England and is an English parilament in all but name and thats why you dont want an English devolved parilament as you already have one that works well for England and screws other countries in the UK So in this UK parilament should 8% of Scottish elected mps have as much say as 82% of English elected mps ? | |||
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"Ok lets go back Why is it people think Westminster is not an English parilament in all but name ? Give me examples of why you dont think it is It's a UK Parliment, no iff's no but's, it's a UK Parliment as it is right now. You don't like the percentages of the make up of the UK Parliment then that's your problem. England does not need it's own Parliment until the day comes that England stands alone and the entire UK breaks away. I do not need to give any examples because there's only 1 fact and it trumps all your bleeding idiotic reasoning... It's the UK Parliment. Why is it England dont need their own parilament ? Why would we need a specific Parliment just for England when we are happy with the UK Parliment that covers the Entire United Kingdom ? So what your saying is the Westminster parilament works well for England and is an English parilament in all but name and thats why you dont want an English devolved parilament as you already have one that works well for England and screws other countries in the UK So in this UK parilament should 8% of Scottish elected mps have as much say as 82% of English elected mps ? " I can safely say 2 things that are 100% true. 1. I didn't say anything of the sort what so ever. 2. You're a fucking idiot. Two Totally true statements. | |||
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"Ok lets go back Why is it people think Westminster is not an English parilament in all but name ? Give me examples of why you dont think it is It's a UK Parliment, no iff's no but's, it's a UK Parliment as it is right now. You don't like the percentages of the make up of the UK Parliment then that's your problem. England does not need it's own Parliment until the day comes that England stands alone and the entire UK breaks away. I do not need to give any examples because there's only 1 fact and it trumps all your bleeding idiotic reasoning... It's the UK Parliment. Why is it England dont need their own parilament ? Why would we need a specific Parliment just for England when we are happy with the UK Parliment that covers the Entire United Kingdom ? So what your saying is the Westminster parilament works well for England and is an English parilament in all but name and thats why you dont want an English devolved parilament as you already have one that works well for England and screws other countries in the UK So in this UK parilament should 8% of Scottish elected mps have as much say as 82% of English elected mps ? I can safely say 2 things that are 100% true. 1. I didn't say anything of the sort what so ever. 2. You're a fucking idiot. Two Totally true statements." Yup and then the name calling starts lol So in this UK parilament should 8% of Scottish elected mps have as much say as 82% of English elected mps ? | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol" You were all in favour of polls in one of your recent threads !!! The latest poll suggests only 32% want another divisive referendum in Scotland! !! | |||
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"The people of Scotland want another independence referendum but you all happy ignore that democratic vote i wonder why lol You were all in favour of polls in one of your recent threads !!! The latest poll suggests only 32% want another divisive referendum in Scotland! !!" What poll was that ? Was that the poll that only showed 36% wanting to keep the union ? Hehehehehehehehehe | |||
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"Ok lets go back Why is it people think Westminster is not an English parilament in all but name ? Give me examples of why you dont think it is It's a UK Parliment, no iff's no but's, it's a UK Parliment as it is right now. You don't like the percentages of the make up of the UK Parliment then that's your problem. England does not need it's own Parliment until the day comes that England stands alone and the entire UK breaks away. I do not need to give any examples because there's only 1 fact and it trumps all your bleeding idiotic reasoning... It's the UK Parliment. Why is it England dont need their own parilament ? Why would we need a specific Parliment just for England when we are happy with the UK Parliment that covers the Entire United Kingdom ? So what your saying is the Westminster parilament works well for England and is an English parilament in all but name and thats why you dont want an English devolved parilament as you already have one that works well for England and screws other countries in the UK So in this UK parilament should 8% of Scottish elected mps have as much say as 82% of English elected mps ? " NO | |||
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"Ok lets go back Why is it people think Westminster is not an English parilament in all but name ? Give me examples of why you dont think it is It's a UK Parliment, no iff's no but's, it's a UK Parliment as it is right now. You don't like the percentages of the make up of the UK Parliment then that's your problem. England does not need it's own Parliment until the day comes that England stands alone and the entire UK breaks away. I do not need to give any examples because there's only 1 fact and it trumps all your bleeding idiotic reasoning... It's the UK Parliment. Why is it England dont need their own parilament ? Why would we need a specific Parliment just for England when we are happy with the UK Parliment that covers the Entire United Kingdom ? So what your saying is the Westminster parilament works well for England and is an English parilament in all but name and thats why you dont want an English devolved parilament as you already have one that works well for England and screws other countries in the UK So in this UK parilament should 8% of Scottish elected mps have as much say as 82% of English elected mps ? NO " No ? I thought it was a UK parilament ? Are you admitting that Westminster is not a fair and equal parilament ? Lol | |||
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"Lets now turn it round and see the answer Should English mps have more say that Scottish mps in a UK parilament ? " YES BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE OF THEM REPRESENTING MORE CITIZENS OF THE UK !!! SIMPLE !!!! | |||
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"Lets now turn it round and see the answer Should English mps have more say that Scottish mps in a UK parilament ? YES BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE OF THEM REPRESENTING MORE CITIZENS OF THE UK !!! SIMPLE !!!!" So in a UK parilament you want English mps to have more say than Scotlands elected mps ? Di you not see how fucked up your rUK is what that kinda of logic ? So seen as you are a Labour man say Scotland votes for 59 Scottish Labour branch mps do you want English mps having more say than those Scottish Labour branch mps in a fucking UK parilament ? | |||
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"So Kinky, how should the UK Parliament be made up? It's been explained to you that the make up of MPs broadly represent the regional population totals, so your answer needs to take that fact into account. Over to you...." I think kinky wants something in line with this Scotland 101 mps England 20 mps Wales 30 mps NI 50 MPS That would be kinkys idea of democracy  | |||
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"So Kinky, how should the UK Parliament be made up? It's been explained to you that the make up of MPs broadly represent the regional population totals, so your answer needs to take that fact into account. Over to you...." Fucking simple the UK wouldnt exist and all4 countries would be independent and have full control over their own affairs unless Enland afraid to do that lol | |||
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"So Kinky, how should the UK Parliament be made up? It's been explained to you that the make up of MPs broadly represent the regional population totals, so your answer needs to take that fact into account. Over to you.... Fucking simple the UK wouldnt exist and all4 countries would be independent and have full control over their own affairs unless Enland afraid to do that lol " But none of the "countries" want to do that! Is that so hard to understand? | |||
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"This record appears to be stuck, can someone give it a kick. " If you dont like it why reply ? Oh wait i have to be gagged while other people can post what they like in their threads Again if you dont like the thread move on to another if it bores you that much but stop trying to gag people | |||
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"Same old shit diffrent day ffs sake kinky can't u talk about something else lol" Again why comment if your bored ? Move on to another thread but stop trying to tell others what they can and cannot talk about it If you dont wana talk about fair enough i aint forcing you but then why reply ? Seems am rattling a few cages claim doon only a thread lol | |||
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"Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot. There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media. Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library which gave a table showing that based on Scotland’s GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place Interesting can anyone tell me is that all lies ?" And now? It's alright pulling up selective facts but everything needs to be taken into context. The oil boom of the 70s and 80s did indeed give the UK a massive boost. However, that boom is now a slump. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread title but I'm sure the OP has a motive in mind. | |||
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"Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot. There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media. Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library which gave a table showing that based on Scotland’s GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place Interesting can anyone tell me is that all lies ? And now? It's alright pulling up selective facts but everything needs to be taken into context. The oil boom of the 70s and 80s did indeed give the UK a massive boost. However, that boom is now a slump. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread title but I'm sure the OP has a motive in mind. " So is all that above lies ? | |||
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"Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot. There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media. Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library which gave a table showing that based on Scotland’s GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place Interesting can anyone tell me is that all lies ? And now? It's alright pulling up selective facts but everything needs to be taken into context. The oil boom of the 70s and 80s did indeed give the UK a massive boost. However, that boom is now a slump. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread title but I'm sure the OP has a motive in mind. So is all that above lies ?" No, but I can't see your point here? | |||
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"Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot. There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media. Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library which gave a table showing that based on Scotland’s GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place Interesting can anyone tell me is that all lies ? And now? It's alright pulling up selective facts but everything needs to be taken into context. The oil boom of the 70s and 80s did indeed give the UK a massive boost. However, that boom is now a slump. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread title but I'm sure the OP has a motive in mind. So is all that above lies ? No, but I can't see your point here?" So Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received dubunks the myth of Scotland being subside junkies and Scotland’s GDP per capita, would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place looks good for an independent Scotland right ? | |||
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"Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot. There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media. Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library which gave a table showing that based on Scotland’s GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place Interesting can anyone tell me is that all lies ? And now? It's alright pulling up selective facts but everything needs to be taken into context. The oil boom of the 70s and 80s did indeed give the UK a massive boost. However, that boom is now a slump. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread title but I'm sure the OP has a motive in mind. So is all that above lies ? No, but I can't see your point here? So Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received dubunks the myth of Scotland being subside junkies and Scotland’s GDP per capita, would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place looks good for an independent Scotland right ? " You do realise that all this was 20 years ago? What is the current per head deficit for Scotland? | |||
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"Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot. There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media. Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library which gave a table showing that based on Scotland’s GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place Interesting can anyone tell me is that all lies ? And now? It's alright pulling up selective facts but everything needs to be taken into context. The oil boom of the 70s and 80s did indeed give the UK a massive boost. However, that boom is now a slump. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread title but I'm sure the OP has a motive in mind. So is all that above lies ? No, but I can't see your point here? So Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received dubunks the myth of Scotland being subside junkies and Scotland’s GDP per capita, would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place looks good for an independent Scotland right ? You do realise that all this was 20 years ago? What is the current per head deficit for Scotland?" Yes so why would it change ? You do know The Scottish government arent in control of the UK treasury right ? And also Scotland has no borrowing powers thats reversed to Westminster correct ? So the deficit unionists love going on and on about is the effects of Scotland being in the UK where money is reversed to Westminster treasury correct ? Not a good look it shows you the Westminster government are fucking up | |||
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"Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot. There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media. Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library which gave a table showing that based on Scotland’s GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place Interesting can anyone tell me is that all lies ? And now? It's alright pulling up selective facts but everything needs to be taken into context. The oil boom of the 70s and 80s did indeed give the UK a massive boost. However, that boom is now a slump. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread title but I'm sure the OP has a motive in mind. So is all that above lies ? No, but I can't see your point here? So Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received dubunks the myth of Scotland being subside junkies and Scotland’s GDP per capita, would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place looks good for an independent Scotland right ? You do realise that all this was 20 years ago? What is the current per head deficit for Scotland? Yes so why would it change ? You do know The Scottish government arent in control of the UK treasury right ? And also Scotland has no borrowing powers thats reversed to Westminster correct ? So the deficit unionists love going on and on about is the effects of Scotland being in the UK where money is reversed to Westminster treasury correct ? Not a good look it shows you the Westminster government are fucking up " You seem to be talking in riddles. Latest available ONS figures give Scotland contributing 8% into UK revenue but accounting for 9% of spending. Your per head deficit is around £2800. Only London and the South-East, as you would expect, returns a surplus, so they subsidise the rest of us. Simple, plain economics. | |||
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"Ah, another hilarious, England-bashing thread from Kinky! I'll grab the popcorn! "Well we already know you dont want an English parilament and you dont believe the UK is a fair and equal union So one can only take is you enjoy the fact is Westminster is an English parilament in all but name as it works well for Englands interests why need a devolved English parilament when the so calked UK government have power to screw over Scotland , Wales and NI | |||
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"Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot. There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media. Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library which gave a table showing that based on Scotland’s GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place Interesting can anyone tell me is that all lies ?" so you want to go back to something that was said 20 years ago as proof.... and yet, when we talk about the missing 40 billion you would lost as a result of independence from a government report 5 years ago, you said that wasn't "recent enough"......... so which side of your mouth are you talking this side........ so | |||
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"So does Scotland pay more Into the UK treasury than it receives ? Or do people still believe the old line Scotland is subside junkies and leeches off England to save our wee so called poor country in Scotland ? Both cant be true so which one ? " As I pointed out above, the ONS says that Scotland contributes 8% of UK revenue, yet accounts for 9% of UK spending. | |||
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"So does Scotland pay more Into the UK treasury than it receives ? Or do people still believe the old line Scotland is subside junkies and leeches off England to save our wee so called poor country in Scotland ? Both cant be true so which one ? As I pointed out above, the ONS says that Scotland contributes 8% of UK revenue, yet accounts for 9% of UK spending." Now try answering my questions | |||
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"So does Scotland pay more Into the UK treasury than it receives ? Or do people still believe the old line Scotland is subside junkies and leeches off England to save our wee so called poor country in Scotland ? Both cant be true so which one ? As I pointed out above, the ONS says that Scotland contributes 8% of UK revenue, yet accounts for 9% of UK spending. Now try answering my questions " Good Lord, are you for real? You talk in riddles and I deal in facts. Scotland gives us 8 beans and the UK Parliament gives you 9 back. Is that easier for you? | |||
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"So does Scotland pay more Into the UK treasury than it receives ? Or do people still believe the old line Scotland is subside junkies and leeches off England to save our wee so called poor country in Scotland ? Both cant be true so which one ? As I pointed out above, the ONS says that Scotland contributes 8% of UK revenue, yet accounts for 9% of UK spending. Now try answering my questions Good Lord, are you for real? You talk in riddles and I deal in facts. Scotland gives us 8 beans and the UK Parliament gives you 9 back. Is that easier for you?" So do you believe Scotland are subsidy junkies ? You believed t Scotland paid a massive £27 billion more to the UK treasury than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979 so whats changed ? | |||
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"All you need to do is look at the deficit Scotland has had for the past few years, it's a helluva lot more than £27bn. The past three years have been: £11.9bn (7.8% of GDP) £12.6bn (8.6% of GDP) £13.3bn (8.3% of GDP) alone. Figures sourced from the Scottish Government. " But we all need to go back 20-30 years when independence wasn't even on the table! | |||
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"You all have a problem with the deficit lol Again the Scottish government are not in control of the UK treasury so money is reversed to Westminster and also borrowing powers is also reversed to Westminster So who is to blame for the deficit ? You should really know that the Scottish government only can decide where the money gets spend from the budget that same budget that is getting cut from yup you guessed it the Tories Nice trick try and pin the blame on the SNP and actually willing to defend sick bastards ie the Tories and let them get away with it thats yoons for you anything to defend the UK lol But i would like to see you try and solve that square hole if the money is a reversed matter and Scotland has no borrowing powers who is to blame ? No doubt you will try to blame the SNP thats what you do cant possibly be Westminster goverenments where again i will point it out money is reversed and they set the budget for what Scotland gets fucking duh!!!!!!!!" It's really difficult to take anyone seriously who doesn't know the difference between 'reserved' and 'reversed'. | |||
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"Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot. There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media. Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library which gave a table showing that based on Scotland’s GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place Interesting can anyone tell me is that all lies ? And now? It's alright pulling up selective facts but everything needs to be taken into context. The oil boom of the 70s and 80s did indeed give the UK a massive boost. However, that boom is now a slump. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread title but I'm sure the OP has a motive in mind. So is all that above lies ? No, but I can't see your point here? So Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received dubunks the myth of Scotland being subside junkies and Scotland’s GDP per capita, would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place looks good for an independent Scotland right ? You do realise that all this was 20 years ago? What is the current per head deficit for Scotland? Yes so why would it change ? You do know The Scottish government arent in control of the UK treasury right ? And also Scotland has no borrowing powers thats reversed to Westminster correct ? So the deficit unionists love going on and on about is the effects of Scotland being in the UK where money is reversed to Westminster treasury correct ? Not a good look it shows you the Westminster government are fucking up " The deficit in Scotland is because the Scottish executive spend more than Scotland raises in taxes nothing to do with Westminster! !! What's more sturgeon swinny and salmond are all on recored as bigging up the GERS figures as it shows Scotland's true expediture !!!! | |||
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"Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot. There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media. Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library which gave a table showing that based on Scotland’s GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place Interesting can anyone tell me is that all lies ? And now? It's alright pulling up selective facts but everything needs to be taken into context. The oil boom of the 70s and 80s did indeed give the UK a massive boost. However, that boom is now a slump. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread title but I'm sure the OP has a motive in mind. So is all that above lies ? No, but I can't see your point here? So Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received dubunks the myth of Scotland being subside junkies and Scotland’s GDP per capita, would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place looks good for an independent Scotland right ? You do realise that all this was 20 years ago? What is the current per head deficit for Scotland? Yes so why would it change ? You do know The Scottish government arent in control of the UK treasury right ? And also Scotland has no borrowing powers thats reversed to Westminster correct ? So the deficit unionists love going on and on about is the effects of Scotland being in the UK where money is reversed to Westminster treasury correct ? Not a good look it shows you the Westminster government are fucking up The deficit in Scotland is because the Scottish executive spend more than Scotland raises in taxes nothing to do with Westminster! !! What's more sturgeon swinny and salmond are all on recored as bigging up the GERS figures as it shows Scotland's true expediture !!!!" Told you blame the SNP and defend the Tories thats what yoons do lol Does GERS show you what an independent Scotland looks like ? Or does it show you what effect Scotland has in your wonderful fucked up rUK ? Hehe | |||
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"Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot. There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media. Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library which gave a table showing that based on Scotland’s GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place Interesting can anyone tell me is that all lies ? And now? It's alright pulling up selective facts but everything needs to be taken into context. The oil boom of the 70s and 80s did indeed give the UK a massive boost. However, that boom is now a slump. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread title but I'm sure the OP has a motive in mind. So is all that above lies ? No, but I can't see your point here? So Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received dubunks the myth of Scotland being subside junkies and Scotland’s GDP per capita, would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place looks good for an independent Scotland right ? You do realise that all this was 20 years ago? What is the current per head deficit for Scotland? Yes so why would it change ? You do know The Scottish government arent in control of the UK treasury right ? And also Scotland has no borrowing powers thats reversed to Westminster correct ? So the deficit unionists love going on and on about is the effects of Scotland being in the UK where money is reversed to Westminster treasury correct ? Not a good look it shows you the Westminster government are fucking up The deficit in Scotland is because the Scottish executive spend more than Scotland raises in taxes nothing to do with Westminster! !! What's more sturgeon swinny and salmond are all on recored as bigging up the GERS figures as it shows Scotland's true expediture !!!! Told you blame the SNP and defend the Tories thats what yoons do lol Does GERS show you what an independent Scotland looks like ? Or does it show you what effect Scotland has in your wonderful fucked up rUK ? Hehe " It shows Scotland's fucked position now !!! GERS has never been criticised by any of your beloved leaders you know the ones that can't pay the farmers on time !!! | |||
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"Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot. There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media. Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library which gave a table showing that based on Scotland’s GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place Interesting can anyone tell me is that all lies ? And now? It's alright pulling up selective facts but everything needs to be taken into context. The oil boom of the 70s and 80s did indeed give the UK a massive boost. However, that boom is now a slump. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread title but I'm sure the OP has a motive in mind. So is all that above lies ? No, but I can't see your point here? So Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received dubunks the myth of Scotland being subside junkies and Scotland’s GDP per capita, would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place looks good for an independent Scotland right ? You do realise that all this was 20 years ago? What is the current per head deficit for Scotland? Yes so why would it change ? You do know The Scottish government arent in control of the UK treasury right ? And also Scotland has no borrowing powers thats reversed to Westminster correct ? So the deficit unionists love going on and on about is the effects of Scotland being in the UK where money is reversed to Westminster treasury correct ? Not a good look it shows you the Westminster government are fucking up The deficit in Scotland is because the Scottish executive spend more than Scotland raises in taxes nothing to do with Westminster! !! What's more sturgeon swinny and salmond are all on recored as bigging up the GERS figures as it shows Scotland's true expediture !!!! Told you blame the SNP and defend the Tories thats what yoons do lol Does GERS show you what an independent Scotland looks like ? Or does it show you what effect Scotland has in your wonderful fucked up rUK ? Hehe It shows Scotland's fucked position now !!! GERS has never been criticised by any of your beloved leaders you know the ones that can't pay the farmers on time !!!" And Scotland is in the UK " now" lol Again GERS does not show you what an independent Scotland looks like correct ? | |||
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"Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot. There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media. Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library which gave a table showing that based on Scotland’s GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place Interesting can anyone tell me is that all lies ? And now? It's alright pulling up selective facts but everything needs to be taken into context. The oil boom of the 70s and 80s did indeed give the UK a massive boost. However, that boom is now a slump. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread title but I'm sure the OP has a motive in mind. So is all that above lies ? No, but I can't see your point here? So Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received dubunks the myth of Scotland being subside junkies and Scotland’s GDP per capita, would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place looks good for an independent Scotland right ? You do realise that all this was 20 years ago? What is the current per head deficit for Scotland? Yes so why would it change ? You do know The Scottish government arent in control of the UK treasury right ? And also Scotland has no borrowing powers thats reversed to Westminster correct ? So the deficit unionists love going on and on about is the effects of Scotland being in the UK where money is reversed to Westminster treasury correct ? Not a good look it shows you the Westminster government are fucking up The deficit in Scotland is because the Scottish executive spend more than Scotland raises in taxes nothing to do with Westminster! !! What's more sturgeon swinny and salmond are all on recored as bigging up the GERS figures as it shows Scotland's true expediture !!!! Told you blame the SNP and defend the Tories thats what yoons do lol Does GERS show you what an independent Scotland looks like ? Or does it show you what effect Scotland has in your wonderful fucked up rUK ? Hehe It shows Scotland's fucked position now !!! GERS has never been criticised by any of your beloved leaders you know the ones that can't pay the farmers on time !!! And Scotland is in the UK " now" lol Again GERS does not show you what an independent Scotland looks like correct ? " As your leaders stated Gers was never set up to show what an Indy Scotland would look like. They were delighted to state it would show where Scotland is now as you must have a starting point. Little did they think they would show Scotland would have such a large deficit. To rejoin the EU the deficit has to be cut by raising taxes and cutting services. These are not my words but those of Nicola sturgeon when she was being interviewed by on tv by Alex Neil !!! | |||
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"Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot. There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media. Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library which gave a table showing that based on Scotland’s GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place Interesting can anyone tell me is that all lies ? And now? It's alright pulling up selective facts but everything needs to be taken into context. The oil boom of the 70s and 80s did indeed give the UK a massive boost. However, that boom is now a slump. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread title but I'm sure the OP has a motive in mind. So is all that above lies ? No, but I can't see your point here? So Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received dubunks the myth of Scotland being subside junkies and Scotland’s GDP per capita, would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place looks good for an independent Scotland right ? You do realise that all this was 20 years ago? What is the current per head deficit for Scotland? Yes so why would it change ? You do know The Scottish government arent in control of the UK treasury right ? And also Scotland has no borrowing powers thats reversed to Westminster correct ? So the deficit unionists love going on and on about is the effects of Scotland being in the UK where money is reversed to Westminster treasury correct ? Not a good look it shows you the Westminster government are fucking up The deficit in Scotland is because the Scottish executive spend more than Scotland raises in taxes nothing to do with Westminster! !! What's more sturgeon swinny and salmond are all on recored as bigging up the GERS figures as it shows Scotland's true expediture !!!! Told you blame the SNP and defend the Tories thats what yoons do lol Does GERS show you what an independent Scotland looks like ? Or does it show you what effect Scotland has in your wonderful fucked up rUK ? Hehe It shows Scotland's fucked position now !!! GERS has never been criticised by any of your beloved leaders you know the ones that can't pay the farmers on time !!! And Scotland is in the UK " now" lol Again GERS does not show you what an independent Scotland looks like correct ? As your leaders stated Gers was never set up to show what an Indy Scotland would look like. They were delighted to state it would show where Scotland is now as you must have a starting point. Little did they think they would show Scotland would have such a large deficit. To rejoin the EU the deficit has to be cut by raising taxes and cutting services. These are not my words but those of Nicola sturgeon when she was being interviewed by on tv by Alex Neil !!!" So in all GERS shows you what Scotland looks like in the UK and you wanna go with this ? Lmao Tell me something how much is Scotland paying its share of Trident ? | |||
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"Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot. There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media. Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library which gave a table showing that based on Scotland’s GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place Interesting can anyone tell me is that all lies ? And now? It's alright pulling up selective facts but everything needs to be taken into context. The oil boom of the 70s and 80s did indeed give the UK a massive boost. However, that boom is now a slump. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread title but I'm sure the OP has a motive in mind. So is all that above lies ? No, but I can't see your point here? So Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received dubunks the myth of Scotland being subside junkies and Scotland’s GDP per capita, would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place looks good for an independent Scotland right ? You do realise that all this was 20 years ago? What is the current per head deficit for Scotland? Yes so why would it change ? You do know The Scottish government arent in control of the UK treasury right ? And also Scotland has no borrowing powers thats reversed to Westminster correct ? So the deficit unionists love going on and on about is the effects of Scotland being in the UK where money is reversed to Westminster treasury correct ? Not a good look it shows you the Westminster government are fucking up The deficit in Scotland is because the Scottish executive spend more than Scotland raises in taxes nothing to do with Westminster! !! What's more sturgeon swinny and salmond are all on recored as bigging up the GERS figures as it shows Scotland's true expediture !!!! Told you blame the SNP and defend the Tories thats what yoons do lol Does GERS show you what an independent Scotland looks like ? Or does it show you what effect Scotland has in your wonderful fucked up rUK ? Hehe It shows Scotland's fucked position now !!! GERS has never been criticised by any of your beloved leaders you know the ones that can't pay the farmers on time !!! And Scotland is in the UK " now" lol Again GERS does not show you what an independent Scotland looks like correct ? As your leaders stated Gers was never set up to show what an Indy Scotland would look like. They were delighted to state it would show where Scotland is now as you must have a starting point. Little did they think they would show Scotland would have such a large deficit. To rejoin the EU the deficit has to be cut by raising taxes and cutting services. These are not my words but those of Nicola sturgeon when she was being interviewed by on tv by Alex Neil !!! So in all GERS shows you what Scotland looks like in the UK and you wanna go with this ? Lmao Tell me something how much is Scotland paying its share of Trident ? " Trident over the 30 year lifespan will not plug anywhere near the gap. And remember if trident went it would hit the Scottish economy hard as faslane is the second biggest employer in Scotland | |||
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"Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot. There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media. Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library which gave a table showing that based on Scotland’s GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place Interesting can anyone tell me is that all lies ? And now? It's alright pulling up selective facts but everything needs to be taken into context. The oil boom of the 70s and 80s did indeed give the UK a massive boost. However, that boom is now a slump. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread title but I'm sure the OP has a motive in mind. So is all that above lies ? No, but I can't see your point here? So Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received dubunks the myth of Scotland being subside junkies and Scotland’s GDP per capita, would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place looks good for an independent Scotland right ? You do realise that all this was 20 years ago? What is the current per head deficit for Scotland? Yes so why would it change ? You do know The Scottish government arent in control of the UK treasury right ? And also Scotland has no borrowing powers thats reversed to Westminster correct ? So the deficit unionists love going on and on about is the effects of Scotland being in the UK where money is reversed to Westminster treasury correct ? Not a good look it shows you the Westminster government are fucking up The deficit in Scotland is because the Scottish executive spend more than Scotland raises in taxes nothing to do with Westminster! !! What's more sturgeon swinny and salmond are all on recored as bigging up the GERS figures as it shows Scotland's true expediture !!!! Told you blame the SNP and defend the Tories thats what yoons do lol Does GERS show you what an independent Scotland looks like ? Or does it show you what effect Scotland has in your wonderful fucked up rUK ? Hehe It shows Scotland's fucked position now !!! GERS has never been criticised by any of your beloved leaders you know the ones that can't pay the farmers on time !!! And Scotland is in the UK " now" lol Again GERS does not show you what an independent Scotland looks like correct ? As your leaders stated Gers was never set up to show what an Indy Scotland would look like. They were delighted to state it would show where Scotland is now as you must have a starting point. Little did they think they would show Scotland would have such a large deficit. To rejoin the EU the deficit has to be cut by raising taxes and cutting services. These are not my words but those of Nicola sturgeon when she was being interviewed by on tv by Alex Neil !!! So in all GERS shows you what Scotland looks like in the UK and you wanna go with this ? Lmao Tell me something how much is Scotland paying its share of Trident ? Trident over the 30 year lifespan will not plug anywhere near the gap. And remember if trident went it would hit the Scottish economy hard as faslane is the second biggest employer in Scotland " Not answering my questions I wonder why lol Try it 1.Does GERS show you what Scotland looks like right " now" in the UK? 2.How much is Scotland paying it's share in trident? | |||
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" And remember if trident went it would hit the Scottish economy hard as faslane is the second biggest employer in Scotland " Trident is a missile system. Faslane is a naval base. It is quite feasible to remove Trident from the Clyde without removing a naval base. | |||
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" And remember if trident went it would hit the Scottish economy hard as faslane is the second biggest employer in Scotland Trident is a missile system. Faslane is a naval base. It is quite feasible to remove Trident from the Clyde without removing a naval base. "
The UK won't keep its nuclear deterrent, or any other submarines in an independent Scotland. When they go, the jobs go.
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"Anyone willing to answer 1. Does GERS show what Scotland looks like in the UK right " now" ? 2. How much does Scotland pay its share of trident ?" Have you answered those questions you said you would after finishing your hame [sic] made soup? | |||
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"Ok lets go back Why is it people think Westminster is not an English parilament in all but name ? Give me examples of why you dont think it is" Well for a start if it was all about england we wouldnt have the ridiculous barnett formula | |||
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"Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot. There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media. Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library which gave a table showing that based on Scotland’s GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place Interesting can anyone tell me is that all lies ? And now? It's alright pulling up selective facts but everything needs to be taken into context. The oil boom of the 70s and 80s did indeed give the UK a massive boost. However, that boom is now a slump. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread title but I'm sure the OP has a motive in mind. So is all that above lies ? No, but I can't see your point here? So Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received dubunks the myth of Scotland being subside junkies and Scotland’s GDP per capita, would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place looks good for an independent Scotland right ? You do realise that all this was 20 years ago? What is the current per head deficit for Scotland? Yes so why would it change ? You do know The Scottish government arent in control of the UK treasury right ? And also Scotland has no borrowing powers thats reversed to Westminster correct ? So the deficit unionists love going on and on about is the effects of Scotland being in the UK where money is reversed to Westminster treasury correct ? Not a good look it shows you the Westminster government are fucking up The deficit in Scotland is because the Scottish executive spend more than Scotland raises in taxes nothing to do with Westminster! !! What's more sturgeon swinny and salmond are all on recored as bigging up the GERS figures as it shows Scotland's true expediture !!!! Told you blame the SNP and defend the Tories thats what yoons do lol Does GERS show you what an independent Scotland looks like ? Or does it show you what effect Scotland has in your wonderful fucked up rUK ? Hehe It shows Scotland's fucked position now !!! GERS has never been criticised by any of your beloved leaders you know the ones that can't pay the farmers on time !!! And Scotland is in the UK " now" lol Again GERS does not show you what an independent Scotland looks like correct ? As your leaders stated Gers was never set up to show what an Indy Scotland would look like. They were delighted to state it would show where Scotland is now as you must have a starting point. Little did they think they would show Scotland would have such a large deficit. To rejoin the EU the deficit has to be cut by raising taxes and cutting services. These are not my words but those of Nicola sturgeon when she was being interviewed by on tv by Alex Neil !!! So in all GERS shows you what Scotland looks like in the UK and you wanna go with this ? Lmao Tell me something how much is Scotland paying its share of Trident ? Trident over the 30 year lifespan will not plug anywhere near the gap. And remember if trident went it would hit the Scottish economy hard as faslane is the second biggest employer in Scotland " How many scots are working at faslane ? | |||
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"Ok lets go back Why is it people think Westminster is not an English parilament in all but name ? Give me examples of why you dont think it is Well for a start if it was all about england we wouldnt have the ridiculous barnett formula" How many English mps are in Westminster again ? Lol | |||
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"Salmond claims Scotland costs Scotland £168m a year. It's probably less than that as he's known to inflate figures to suit himself. Anyway, if we take that as the true figure then what does it mean? Well not much really. It doesn't take into account the amount of income having Faslane in Scotland brings to the economy, which given over 10,000 people rely on it for employment would be pretty damn substantial. It also doesn't take into account the fact that an indy Scotland, as a member of Nato, would need to meet military spending committments so it would have to spend that money on defence anyway. And finally, even if we ignore the above points (although we can't) the cost of trident is only £0.168m (at most) of a £15.0 bn deficit" Of the 10,000 employed at faslane how many are scots ? | |||
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"Ok lets go back Why is it people think Westminster is not an English parilament in all but name ? Give me examples of why you dont think it is Well for a start if it was all about england we wouldnt have the ridiculous barnett formula How many English mps are in Westminster again ? Lol " Well we have one for every 92.000 of population scotland has one for every 88.000 so in reality you should have lee | |||
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"Salmond claims Scotland costs Scotland £168m a year. It's probably less than that as he's known to inflate figures to suit himself. Anyway, if we take that as the true figure then what does it mean? Well not much really. It doesn't take into account the amount of income having Faslane in Scotland brings to the economy, which given over 10,000 people rely on it for employment would be pretty damn substantial. It also doesn't take into account the fact that an indy Scotland, as a member of Nato, would need to meet military spending committments so it would have to spend that money on defence anyway. And finally, even if we ignore the above points (although we can't) the cost of trident is only £0.168m (at most) of a £15.0 bn deficit Of the 10,000 employed at faslane how many are scots ? " What does that matter? Hope we're not going to see some nationalist racism rearing it's head again | |||
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" And remember if trident went it would hit the Scottish economy hard as faslane is the second biggest employer in Scotland Trident is a missile system. Faslane is a naval base. It is quite feasible to remove Trident from the Clyde without removing a naval base. " that is true... however you then have another problem is that all those contracts to have the RN ships built on the Clyde would become null and void.... in effect the contract to build the 13 ships on the clyde would become zero..... and the SNP have stated they are not looking at building any ships..... so even if faslane survived, would shipbuilding on the clyde? | |||
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"Salmond claims Scotland costs Scotland £168m a year. It's probably less than that as he's known to inflate figures to suit himself. Anyway, if we take that as the true figure then what does it mean? Well not much really. It doesn't take into account the amount of income having Faslane in Scotland brings to the economy, which given over 10,000 people rely on it for employment would be pretty damn substantial. It also doesn't take into account the fact that an indy Scotland, as a member of Nato, would need to meet military spending committments so it would have to spend that money on defence anyway. And finally, even if we ignore the above points (although we can't) the cost of trident is only £0.168m (at most) of a £15.0 bn deficit Of the 10,000 employed at faslane how many are scots ? What does that matter? Hope we're not going to see some nationalist racism rearing it's head again" It matters as you say 10,000 ppl employed at base and say it brings income to the local economy, which really is untrue as most live onsite and go home when not working so dont spend much in the local area ,so you as a britnat think asking a question is racist ? | |||
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"Ok lets go back Why is it people think Westminster is not an English parilament in all but name ? Give me examples of why you dont think it is Well for a start if it was all about england we wouldnt have the ridiculous barnett formula How many English mps are in Westminster again ? Lol Well we have one for every 92.000 of population scotland has one for every 88.000 so in reality you should have lee " How many English mps is there in Westminster ? | |||
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"Btw i find it fucking discusting that people are using jobs as a way to try and keep a fucking nuclear weapon that kills people as a reason to keep it in Scotland sick as fuck " 95% of the jobs will still be there wherever the base is moved too | |||
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"Salmond claims Scotland costs Scotland £168m a year. It's probably less than that as he's known to inflate figures to suit himself. Anyway, if we take that as the true figure then what does it mean? Well not much really. It doesn't take into account the amount of income having Faslane in Scotland brings to the economy, which given over 10,000 people rely on it for employment would be pretty damn substantial. It also doesn't take into account the fact that an indy Scotland, as a member of Nato, would need to meet military spending committments so it would have to spend that money on defence anyway. And finally, even if we ignore the above points (although we can't) the cost of trident is only £0.168m (at most) of a £15.0 bn deficit Of the 10,000 employed at faslane how many are scots ? What does that matter? Hope we're not going to see some nationalist racism rearing it's head again It matters as you say 10,000 ppl employed at base and say it brings income to the local economy, which really is untrue as most live onsite and go home when not working so dont spend much in the local area ,so you as a britnat think asking a question is racist ?" It's over 10,000 and less than half of that are emplyed by the MOD the rest are cotnractors etc. It is estimated that Faslane is reponsible for bring in £270m per year to the local and wider Scottish economy. Now about those other points you and kinky seem to be avoiding...? | |||
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"Fabio have the Tories 100% guaranteed that if Scotland did vote for independence that those ships will be build on the Clyde or would the take that contract away ? Also its inly 3 Type 26 frigates that is signed as of right now correct oh wise Fabio ? Lol" first of all it isn't government policy it is royal navy policy! will you give it a rest! the Royal Navy policy is that ships in their fleet are only built in the UK (primarily for national security reasons which makes sense), if scotland is not in the UK you wouldn't keep those contracts..... so you can argue about how the "13 ships" are made up of (because i know thats exactly where you will trying a drift this conversation to) the grim reality for you is that the answer to how many RN ships would be built in an independent scotland would be zero.... because BAE in barrow would have the facility to take over the load, Cammell laird on merseyside would be able to take the load..... falmouth has the capacity to take trident, ect ect...... you would cripple the size of faslane, and shipbuilding on the clyde.... so well done!!!!! just glad its not your job that you are willing to risk... and that would be just the start.... if we were to talk about civil service jobs in scotland you actually have more of them then you would need in an independent scotland... so then you start talking about job losses in motherwell, or dundee........ | |||
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"Btw i find it fucking discusting that people are using jobs as a way to try and keep a fucking nuclear weapon that kills people as a reason to keep it in Scotland sick as fuck " You asked the question, you got an answer and as you don't have any response to it you've gone down this route. That sums you up. If you think having nuclear weapons is so bad then what do you think of the SNP's policy for an independent Scotland to join a nuclear defence alliance? | |||
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"Salmond claims Scotland costs Scotland £168m a year. It's probably less than that as he's known to inflate figures to suit himself. Anyway, if we take that as the true figure then what does it mean? Well not much really. It doesn't take into account the amount of income having Faslane in Scotland brings to the economy, which given over 10,000 people rely on it for employment would be pretty damn substantial. It also doesn't take into account the fact that an indy Scotland, as a member of Nato, would need to meet military spending committments so it would have to spend that money on defence anyway. And finally, even if we ignore the above points (although we can't) the cost of trident is only £0.168m (at most) of a £15.0 bn deficit Of the 10,000 employed at faslane how many are scots ? What does that matter? Hope we're not going to see some nationalist racism rearing it's head again It matters as you say 10,000 ppl employed at base and say it brings income to the local economy, which really is untrue as most live onsite and go home when not working so dont spend much in the local area ,so you as a britnat think asking a question is racist ? It's over 10,000 and less than half of that are emplyed by the MOD the rest are cotnractors etc. It is estimated that Faslane is reponsible for bring in £270m per year to the local and wider Scottish economy. Now about those other points you and kinky seem to be avoiding...?" Pretty sure the locals would dispute that £270m figure ,and i havent avoided anything i asked a question about faslane and have also answered yours ,oh and just for the record i am not a nationalist racist | |||
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"Btw i find it fucking discusting that people are using jobs as a way to try and keep a fucking nuclear weapon that kills people as a reason to keep it in Scotland sick as fuck You asked the question, you got an answer and as you don't have any response to it you've gone down this route. That sums you up. If you think having nuclear weapons is so bad then what do you think of the SNP's policy for an independent Scotland to join a nuclear defence alliance?" Oh for fuck sake yoons really dont have a clue Helloo!!!!!!!!!!! You can be a member if Nato and have no nuclear weapons How many countries are in Nato that dont have a nuclear fucking weapon ? Lol | |||
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"Salmond claims Scotland costs Scotland £168m a year. It's probably less than that as he's known to inflate figures to suit himself. Anyway, if we take that as the true figure then what does it mean? Well not much really. It doesn't take into account the amount of income having Faslane in Scotland brings to the economy, which given over 10,000 people rely on it for employment would be pretty damn substantial. It also doesn't take into account the fact that an indy Scotland, as a member of Nato, would need to meet military spending committments so it would have to spend that money on defence anyway. And finally, even if we ignore the above points (although we can't) the cost of trident is only £0.168m (at most) of a £15.0 bn deficit Of the 10,000 employed at faslane how many are scots ? What does that matter? Hope we're not going to see some nationalist racism rearing it's head again It matters as you say 10,000 ppl employed at base and say it brings income to the local economy, which really is untrue as most live onsite and go home when not working so dont spend much in the local area ,so you as a britnat think asking a question is racist ? It's over 10,000 and less than half of that are emplyed by the MOD the rest are cotnractors etc. It is estimated that Faslane is reponsible for bring in £270m per year to the local and wider Scottish economy. Now about those other points you and kinky seem to be avoiding...? Pretty sure the locals would dispute that £270m figure ,and i havent avoided anything i asked a question about faslane and have also answered yours ,oh and just for the record i am not a nationalist racist " So in that case how much would indy Scotland save by not having trident given: a) the money it brings in to the economy b) the fact it is part of the UK 2% defence commitment spending and indy Scotland would also have to meet this commitment | |||
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"Btw i find it fucking discusting that people are using jobs as a way to try and keep a fucking nuclear weapon that kills people as a reason to keep it in Scotland sick as fuck You asked the question, you got an answer and as you don't have any response to it you've gone down this route. That sums you up. If you think having nuclear weapons is so bad then what do you think of the SNP's policy for an independent Scotland to join a nuclear defence alliance? Oh for fuck sake yoons really dont have a clue Helloo!!!!!!!!!!! You can be a member if Nato and have no nuclear weapons How many countries are in Nato that dont have a nuclear fucking weapon ? Lol " This shouldn't be difficult to understand but I'm not surprised you're having difficulty with it so I'll lay it out in simple, clear language. If you are ideologically opposed to nuclear weapens, then why would you choose to join a nuclear defence alliance? | |||
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"Btw i find it fucking discusting that people are using jobs as a way to try and keep a fucking nuclear weapon that kills people as a reason to keep it in Scotland sick as fuck You asked the question, you got an answer and as you don't have any response to it you've gone down this route. That sums you up. If you think having nuclear weapons is so bad then what do you think of the SNP's policy for an independent Scotland to join a nuclear defence alliance? Oh for fuck sake yoons really dont have a clue Helloo!!!!!!!!!!! You can be a member if Nato and have no nuclear weapons How many countries are in Nato that dont have a nuclear fucking weapon ? Lol This shouldn't be difficult to understand but I'm not surprised you're having difficulty with it so I'll lay it out in simple, clear language. If you are ideologically opposed to nuclear weapens, then why would you choose to join a nuclear defence alliance? " Again you can be a member of nato and do not believe or have nuclear weapons fucking duh!!!!!! How many countries around the world is nclear weapon free and a member of nato ? | |||
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"Fabio are you saying if Scotland votes for independence the dirty bastards ie Tories wouldnt comitt to keeping ship building on the Clyde ? " why would any uk government outsource jobs that would involve national security to an outside entity.... just from a nationaly security issue that would be mad... and from a cost point of view there would not be much differences... so the priority would be to secure UK jobs, not jobs on the clyde! at that stage the rUK government wouldn't owe the people of scotland a single national government job...... "Is the UK government are trying to hold over Scotlands people to keep then in this fucking shite UK union ? They seem to be the one threating jobs on the Clyde should the Scottish people ever want to be independent " no... they are point out the realism to your rosy eyed picture..... in which you gain everything and lose nothing.... the real world doesn't work like that, so let me ask you.... what benefits/oppotuinites would you lose under independence..... realistically? (please don't say none... you'll be laughed out of the thread.....) " Oh wise Fabio is there only 3 type 26 frigates been signed off to be build on the Clyde yes ir no ? You went all shy on that lol " actually i didn't... so again lets look in the "real world"... if the royal navy's policy all the time it has been in existance, has been that NO ships are built outside the UK, how many RN ships would you expect to be built on the clyde if you became independent since scotland wouldn't be part of the uk...... see you like to think of the rosy picture... but hate realism creeping up on you!!!! so.... what would happen to those jobs.... because you at the moment are displaying rarecasks "well i am okay jack, screw everyone else!" attitude..... | |||
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"Salmond claims Scotland costs Scotland £168m a year. It's probably less than that as he's known to inflate figures to suit himself. Anyway, if we take that as the true figure then what does it mean? Well not much really. It doesn't take into account the amount of income having Faslane in Scotland brings to the economy, which given over 10,000 people rely on it for employment would be pretty damn substantial. It also doesn't take into account the fact that an indy Scotland, as a member of Nato, would need to meet military spending committments so it would have to spend that money on defence anyway. And finally, even if we ignore the above points (although we can't) the cost of trident is only £0.168m (at most) of a £15.0 bn deficit Of the 10,000 employed at faslane how many are scots ? What does that matter? Hope we're not going to see some nationalist racism rearing it's head again It matters as you say 10,000 ppl employed at base and say it brings income to the local economy, which really is untrue as most live onsite and go home when not working so dont spend much in the local area ,so you as a britnat think asking a question is racist ? It's over 10,000 and less than half of that are emplyed by the MOD the rest are cotnractors etc. It is estimated that Faslane is reponsible for bring in £270m per year to the local and wider Scottish economy. Now about those other points you and kinky seem to be avoiding...? Pretty sure the locals would dispute that £270m figure ,and i havent avoided anything i asked a question about faslane and have also answered yours ,oh and just for the record i am not a nationalist racist So in that case how much would indy Scotland save by not having trident given: a) the money it brings in to the economy b) the fact it is part of the UK 2% defence commitment spending and indy Scotland would also have to meet this commitment" I dont beleive it brings much to the local economy,who says an independent scotland would have to spend 2% on defence ? Personally id get rid of trident tomorow | |||
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"Btw i find it fucking discusting that people are using jobs as a way to try and keep a fucking nuclear weapon that kills people as a reason to keep it in Scotland sick as fuck You asked the question, you got an answer and as you don't have any response to it you've gone down this route. That sums you up. If you think having nuclear weapons is so bad then what do you think of the SNP's policy for an independent Scotland to join a nuclear defence alliance? Oh for fuck sake yoons really dont have a clue Helloo!!!!!!!!!!! You can be a member if Nato and have no nuclear weapons How many countries are in Nato that dont have a nuclear fucking weapon ? Lol This shouldn't be difficult to understand but I'm not surprised you're having difficulty with it so I'll lay it out in simple, clear language. If you are ideologically opposed to nuclear weapens, then why would you choose to join a nuclear defence alliance? Again you can be a member of nato and do not believe or have nuclear weapons fucking duh!!!!!! How many countries around the world is nclear weapon free and a member of nato ?" You can't be in Nato and not believe in nuclear weapons. It is a nuclear alliance. Your point seems to be that nuclear weapons are bad but it's okay to joing a group who has them as long as it's those foreigners who have them and not us. This is the sort of cognitive dissonance you end up displaying when you find you have to agree with every SNP policy. A couple of SNP politicians actually left the party a few years ago for the very reason I'm pointing out here. They were opposed to nuclear weapons and decided they couldn't be members of a party who would sign up to a nuclear alliance (Nato) I'll give an even simpler example for you, it would be similar to the government saying it is ideologically opposed to slavery and then sub contracting the building of a new bypass to a company that employs foreign slave labour. | |||
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"Btw i find it fucking discusting that people are using jobs as a way to try and keep a fucking nuclear weapon that kills people as a reason to keep it in Scotland sick as fuck You asked the question, you got an answer and as you don't have any response to it you've gone down this route. That sums you up. If you think having nuclear weapons is so bad then what do you think of the SNP's policy for an independent Scotland to join a nuclear defence alliance? Oh for fuck sake yoons really dont have a clue Helloo!!!!!!!!!!! You can be a member if Nato and have no nuclear weapons How many countries are in Nato that dont have a nuclear fucking weapon ? Lol This shouldn't be difficult to understand but I'm not surprised you're having difficulty with it so I'll lay it out in simple, clear language. If you are ideologically opposed to nuclear weapens, then why would you choose to join a nuclear defence alliance? Again you can be a member of nato and do not believe or have nuclear weapons fucking duh!!!!!! How many countries around the world is nclear weapon free and a member of nato ? You can't be in Nato and not believe in nuclear weapons. It is a nuclear alliance. Your point seems to be that nuclear weapons are bad but it's okay to joing a group who has them as long as it's those foreigners who have them and not us. This is the sort of cognitive dissonance you end up displaying when you find you have to agree with every SNP policy. A couple of SNP politicians actually left the party a few years ago for the very reason I'm pointing out here. They were opposed to nuclear weapons and decided they couldn't be members of a party who would sign up to a nuclear alliance (Nato) I'll give an even simpler example for you, it would be similar to the government saying it is ideologically opposed to slavery and then sub contracting the building of a new bypass to a company that employs foreign slave labour." Ok try this How many countries in Nato do not have nuclear weapons eh? Lmao | |||
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" I dont beleive it brings much to the local economy,who says an independent scotland would have to spend 2% on defence ? Personally id get rid of trident tomorow " This is a typical nationalist reply. I have no answer so I just don't believe the figures. How much do YOU believe that the employment of over 10,000 people brings to the economy of Scotland if not £270m? And the 2% is, as Fabio has pointed out, the commitment that Nato asks for. So given the trident spending appears to be a red herring, and is miniscule in terms of the deficit anyway, where do the £15bn savings come from? | |||
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"Btw i find it fucking discusting that people are using jobs as a way to try and keep a fucking nuclear weapon that kills people as a reason to keep it in Scotland sick as fuck You asked the question, you got an answer and as you don't have any response to it you've gone down this route. That sums you up. If you think having nuclear weapons is so bad then what do you think of the SNP's policy for an independent Scotland to join a nuclear defence alliance? Oh for fuck sake yoons really dont have a clue Helloo!!!!!!!!!!! You can be a member if Nato and have no nuclear weapons How many countries are in Nato that dont have a nuclear fucking weapon ? Lol This shouldn't be difficult to understand but I'm not surprised you're having difficulty with it so I'll lay it out in simple, clear language. If you are ideologically opposed to nuclear weapens, then why would you choose to join a nuclear defence alliance? Again you can be a member of nato and do not believe or have nuclear weapons fucking duh!!!!!! How many countries around the world is nclear weapon free and a member of nato ? You can't be in Nato and not believe in nuclear weapons. It is a nuclear alliance. Your point seems to be that nuclear weapons are bad but it's okay to joing a group who has them as long as it's those foreigners who have them and not us. This is the sort of cognitive dissonance you end up displaying when you find you have to agree with every SNP policy. A couple of SNP politicians actually left the party a few years ago for the very reason I'm pointing out here. They were opposed to nuclear weapons and decided they couldn't be members of a party who would sign up to a nuclear alliance (Nato) I'll give an even simpler example for you, it would be similar to the government saying it is ideologically opposed to slavery and then sub contracting the building of a new bypass to a company that employs foreign slave labour. Ok try this How many countries in Nato do not have nuclear weapons eh? Lmao" Not surprised to see you don't have an answer. Not really sure what the 'Lmao' is all about given, from your language and rants on here, that it's very clear you are doing anything but laughing as you rage away on a daily basis here. It clearly stings waking up every day and still being part of the UK. | |||
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"Btw i find it fucking discusting that people are using jobs as a way to try and keep a fucking nuclear weapon that kills people as a reason to keep it in Scotland sick as fuck You asked the question, you got an answer and as you don't have any response to it you've gone down this route. That sums you up. If you think having nuclear weapons is so bad then what do you think of the SNP's policy for an independent Scotland to join a nuclear defence alliance? Oh for fuck sake yoons really dont have a clue Helloo!!!!!!!!!!! You can be a member if Nato and have no nuclear weapons How many countries are in Nato that dont have a nuclear fucking weapon ? Lol This shouldn't be difficult to understand but I'm not surprised you're having difficulty with it so I'll lay it out in simple, clear language. If you are ideologically opposed to nuclear weapens, then why would you choose to join a nuclear defence alliance? Again you can be a member of nato and do not believe or have nuclear weapons fucking duh!!!!!! How many countries around the world is nclear weapon free and a member of nato ? You can't be in Nato and not believe in nuclear weapons. It is a nuclear alliance. Your point seems to be that nuclear weapons are bad but it's okay to joing a group who has them as long as it's those foreigners who have them and not us. This is the sort of cognitive dissonance you end up displaying when you find you have to agree with every SNP policy. A couple of SNP politicians actually left the party a few years ago for the very reason I'm pointing out here. They were opposed to nuclear weapons and decided they couldn't be members of a party who would sign up to a nuclear alliance (Nato) I'll give an even simpler example for you, it would be similar to the government saying it is ideologically opposed to slavery and then sub contracting the building of a new bypass to a company that employs foreign slave labour. Ok try this How many countries in Nato do not have nuclear weapons eh? Lmao Not surprised to see you don't have an answer. Not really sure what the 'Lmao' is all about given, from your language and rants on here, that it's very clear you are doing anything but laughing as you rage away on a daily basis here. It clearly stings waking up every day and still being part of the UK." Hahahahahahaha I dint have an answer yeah ok So tell me how many countries around the world are in Nato and do not have nuclear weapons ? Lol | |||
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"Btw i find it fucking discusting that people are using jobs as a way to try and keep a fucking nuclear weapon that kills people as a reason to keep it in Scotland sick as fuck You asked the question, you got an answer and as you don't have any response to it you've gone down this route. That sums you up. If you think having nuclear weapons is so bad then what do you think of the SNP's policy for an independent Scotland to join a nuclear defence alliance? Oh for fuck sake yoons really dont have a clue Helloo!!!!!!!!!!! You can be a member if Nato and have no nuclear weapons How many countries are in Nato that dont have a nuclear fucking weapon ? Lol This shouldn't be difficult to understand but I'm not surprised you're having difficulty with it so I'll lay it out in simple, clear language. If you are ideologically opposed to nuclear weapens, then why would you choose to join a nuclear defence alliance? Again you can be a member of nato and do not believe or have nuclear weapons fucking duh!!!!!! How many countries around the world is nclear weapon free and a member of nato ? You can't be in Nato and not believe in nuclear weapons. It is a nuclear alliance. Your point seems to be that nuclear weapons are bad but it's okay to joing a group who has them as long as it's those foreigners who have them and not us. This is the sort of cognitive dissonance you end up displaying when you find you have to agree with every SNP policy. A couple of SNP politicians actually left the party a few years ago for the very reason I'm pointing out here. They were opposed to nuclear weapons and decided they couldn't be members of a party who would sign up to a nuclear alliance (Nato) I'll give an even simpler example for you, it would be similar to the government saying it is ideologically opposed to slavery and then sub contracting the building of a new bypass to a company that employs foreign slave labour. Ok try this How many countries in Nato do not have nuclear weapons eh? Lmao Not surprised to see you don't have an answer. Not really sure what the 'Lmao' is all about given, from your language and rants on here, that it's very clear you are doing anything but laughing as you rage away on a daily basis here. It clearly stings waking up every day and still being part of the UK. Hahahahahahaha I dint have an answer yeah ok So tell me how many countries around the world are in Nato and do not have nuclear weapons ? Lol " Always questions, never answers. If you're not bright enough to answer it maybe another nationalist will have a go at it? | |||
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"Btw i find it fucking discusting that people are using jobs as a way to try and keep a fucking nuclear weapon that kills people as a reason to keep it in Scotland sick as fuck You asked the question, you got an answer and as you don't have any response to it you've gone down this route. That sums you up. If you think having nuclear weapons is so bad then what do you think of the SNP's policy for an independent Scotland to join a nuclear defence alliance? Oh for fuck sake yoons really dont have a clue Helloo!!!!!!!!!!! You can be a member if Nato and have no nuclear weapons How many countries are in Nato that dont have a nuclear fucking weapon ? Lol This shouldn't be difficult to understand but I'm not surprised you're having difficulty with it so I'll lay it out in simple, clear language. If you are ideologically opposed to nuclear weapens, then why would you choose to join a nuclear defence alliance? Again you can be a member of nato and do not believe or have nuclear weapons fucking duh!!!!!! How many countries around the world is nclear weapon free and a member of nato ? You can't be in Nato and not believe in nuclear weapons. It is a nuclear alliance. Your point seems to be that nuclear weapons are bad but it's okay to joing a group who has them as long as it's those foreigners who have them and not us. This is the sort of cognitive dissonance you end up displaying when you find you have to agree with every SNP policy. A couple of SNP politicians actually left the party a few years ago for the very reason I'm pointing out here. They were opposed to nuclear weapons and decided they couldn't be members of a party who would sign up to a nuclear alliance (Nato) I'll give an even simpler example for you, it would be similar to the government saying it is ideologically opposed to slavery and then sub contracting the building of a new bypass to a company that employs foreign slave labour. Ok try this How many countries in Nato do not have nuclear weapons eh? Lmao Not surprised to see you don't have an answer. Not really sure what the 'Lmao' is all about given, from your language and rants on here, that it's very clear you are doing anything but laughing as you rage away on a daily basis here. It clearly stings waking up every day and still being part of the UK. Hahahahahahaha I dint have an answer yeah ok So tell me how many countries around the world are in Nato and do not have nuclear weapons ? Lol Always questions, never answers. If you're not bright enough to answer it maybe another nationalist will have a go at it?" Wow just wow So where is your answer How many countries ariund the world are in Nato that do not have nuclear weapons ? Lol | |||
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" I dont beleive it brings much to the local economy,who says an independent scotland would have to spend 2% on defence ? Personally id get rid of trident tomorow This is a typical nationalist reply. I have no answer so I just don't believe the figures. How much do YOU believe that the employment of over 10,000 people brings to the economy of Scotland if not £270m? And the 2% is, as Fabio has pointed out, the commitment that Nato asks for. So given the trident spending appears to be a red herring, and is miniscule in terms of the deficit anyway, where do the £15bn savings come from?" Typical britnat beleive everything you read on uk goverment websites ,i have family and friends in the helensburgh area who say the workers on the base dont spend much in the area the town is derilct with lots of empty shops pubs ect so id rather beleive ppl who live in the area ,if we are to be in nato and thats a requirement then it will have done ,and not all ppl who want rid of trident are not nationalists or snp supporters | |||
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so... let me ask kinky a question...
can you not name one downside to independence? go on... just one to start, I just want to see if any part of you is living in the real world.... | |||
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" I dont beleive it brings much to the local economy,who says an independent scotland would have to spend 2% on defence ? Personally id get rid of trident tomorow This is a typical nationalist reply. I have no answer so I just don't believe the figures. How much do YOU believe that the employment of over 10,000 people brings to the economy of Scotland if not £270m? And the 2% is, as Fabio has pointed out, the commitment that Nato asks for. So given the trident spending appears to be a red herring, and is miniscule in terms of the deficit anyway, where do the £15bn savings come from? Typical britnat beleive everything you read on uk goverment websites ,i have family and friends in the helensburgh area who say the workers on the base dont spend much in the area the town is derilct with lots of empty shops pubs ect so id rather beleive ppl who live in the area ,if we are to be in nato and thats a requirement then it will have done ,and not all ppl who want rid of trident are not nationalists or snp supporters " No idea what a britnat is. I think your analysis of the benefits to the economy is a bit lacking if you rely on a couple of folk you've spoken to in the town. The finanaces go way beyond that, and you'll notice I mentioned the economy of Scotland, not the just the local shops in the area. Taxes etc and also expenditure in other parts of the country. Even with that though, over 1/3 of the local economy is linked to the base so there's no doubt it has an impact there, despite the financial reports from your friends. | |||
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"you mention jobs and bad thing that happen with independence... they all run a mile i suppose scot nats and brexiteers have that in common... they think they will got their cake AND eat it as well......
so... let me ask kinky a question...
can you not name one downside to independence? go on... just one to start, I just want to see if any part of you is living in the real world.... "Fabio let me ask you again the question i asked you Is 3 type 26 frigates only been signed to be build in the Clyde yes or no ? | |||
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"you mention jobs and bad thing that happen with independence... they all run a mile i suppose scot nats and brexiteers have that in common... they think they will got their cake AND eat it as well......
so... let me ask kinky a question...
can you not name one downside to independence? go on... just one to start, I just want to see if any part of you is living in the real world.... "Of course there will be a downside and there will be job losses in certain areas,but i do beleive after a few years when the sg have full control of everything we will prosper and do just fine,for me its about trust and i trust the snp to do whats best for scotland | |||
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" I dont beleive it brings much to the local economy,who says an independent scotland would have to spend 2% on defence ? Personally id get rid of trident tomorow This is a typical nationalist reply. I have no answer so I just don't believe the figures. How much do YOU believe that the employment of over 10,000 people brings to the economy of Scotland if not £270m? And the 2% is, as Fabio has pointed out, the commitment that Nato asks for. So given the trident spending appears to be a red herring, and is miniscule in terms of the deficit anyway, where do the £15bn savings come from? Typical britnat beleive everything you read on uk goverment websites ,i have family and friends in the helensburgh area who say the workers on the base dont spend much in the area the town is derilct with lots of empty shops pubs ect so id rather beleive ppl who live in the area ,if we are to be in nato and thats a requirement then it will have done ,and not all ppl who want rid of trident are not nationalists or snp supporters No idea what a britnat is. I think your analysis of the benefits to the economy is a bit lacking if you rely on a couple of folk you've spoken to in the town. The finanaces go way beyond that, and you'll notice I mentioned the economy of Scotland, not the just the local shops in the area. Taxes etc and also expenditure in other parts of the country. Even with that though, over 1/3 of the local economy is linked to the base so there's no doubt it has an impact there, despite the financial reports from your friends." A britnat is yourself ,maybe you should go to helensburgh and surrounding area and see for yourself ask some shopkeepers or barmen what the base brings to the area | |||
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" I dont beleive it brings much to the local economy,who says an independent scotland would have to spend 2% on defence ? Personally id get rid of trident tomorow This is a typical nationalist reply. I have no answer so I just don't believe the figures. How much do YOU believe that the employment of over 10,000 people brings to the economy of Scotland if not £270m? And the 2% is, as Fabio has pointed out, the commitment that Nato asks for. So given the trident spending appears to be a red herring, and is miniscule in terms of the deficit anyway, where do the £15bn savings come from? Typical britnat beleive everything you read on uk goverment websites ,i have family and friends in the helensburgh area who say the workers on the base dont spend much in the area the town is derilct with lots of empty shops pubs ect so id rather beleive ppl who live in the area ,if we are to be in nato and thats a requirement then it will have done ,and not all ppl who want rid of trident are not nationalists or snp supporters No idea what a britnat is. I think your analysis of the benefits to the economy is a bit lacking if you rely on a couple of folk you've spoken to in the town. The finanaces go way beyond that, and you'll notice I mentioned the economy of Scotland, not the just the local shops in the area. Taxes etc and also expenditure in other parts of the country. Even with that though, over 1/3 of the local economy is linked to the base so there's no doubt it has an impact there, despite the financial reports from your friends. A britnat is yourself ,maybe you should go to helensburgh and surrounding area and see for yourself ask some shopkeepers or barmen what the base brings to the area " Ask any shopkeeper or barman if they'd prefer the base to close. Also ask the local politicians, or even the SNP government. So does that mean I'm an EUnat as well? What is a britnat and an Eunat? Are they the same or is there a difference? | |||
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" I dont beleive it brings much to the local economy,who says an independent scotland would have to spend 2% on defence ? Personally id get rid of trident tomorow This is a typical nationalist reply. I have no answer so I just don't believe the figures. How much do YOU believe that the employment of over 10,000 people brings to the economy of Scotland if not £270m? And the 2% is, as Fabio has pointed out, the commitment that Nato asks for. So given the trident spending appears to be a red herring, and is miniscule in terms of the deficit anyway, where do the £15bn savings come from? Typical britnat beleive everything you read on uk goverment websites ,i have family and friends in the helensburgh area who say the workers on the base dont spend much in the area the town is derilct with lots of empty shops pubs ect so id rather beleive ppl who live in the area ,if we are to be in nato and thats a requirement then it will have done ,and not all ppl who want rid of trident are not nationalists or snp supporters No idea what a britnat is. I think your analysis of the benefits to the economy is a bit lacking if you rely on a couple of folk you've spoken to in the town. The finanaces go way beyond that, and you'll notice I mentioned the economy of Scotland, not the just the local shops in the area. Taxes etc and also expenditure in other parts of the country. Even with that though, over 1/3 of the local economy is linked to the base so there's no doubt it has an impact there, despite the financial reports from your friends. A britnat is yourself ,maybe you should go to helensburgh and surrounding area and see for yourself ask some shopkeepers or barmen what the base brings to the area Ask any shopkeeper or barman if they'd prefer the base to close. Also ask the local politicians, or even the SNP government. So does that mean I'm an EUnat as well? What is a britnat and an Eunat? Are they the same or is there a difference? " The workers on the base dont use the local bars ,shops much so wont make much difference, come on you know jackie baillie is a lying cow and makes it up as she goes along ,your a britnat as you seem to be happy to be governed by a British goverment hope that sorts it for you | |||
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" And remember if trident went it would hit the Scottish economy hard as faslane is the second biggest employer in Scotland Trident is a missile system. Faslane is a naval base. It is quite feasible to remove Trident from the Clyde without removing a naval base. " The base is like a small town, and the reason it exists is to house Trident submarines. The subs go so does faslane not point it being there !!! | |||
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" I dont beleive it brings much to the local economy,who says an independent scotland would have to spend 2% on defence ? Personally id get rid of trident tomorow This is a typical nationalist reply. I have no answer so I just don't believe the figures. How much do YOU believe that the employment of over 10,000 people brings to the economy of Scotland if not £270m? And the 2% is, as Fabio has pointed out, the commitment that Nato asks for. So given the trident spending appears to be a red herring, and is miniscule in terms of the deficit anyway, where do the £15bn savings come from? Typical britnat beleive everything you read on uk goverment websites ,i have family and friends in the helensburgh area who say the workers on the base dont spend much in the area the town is derilct with lots of empty shops pubs ect so id rather beleive ppl who live in the area ,if we are to be in nato and thats a requirement then it will have done ,and not all ppl who want rid of trident are not nationalists or snp supporters No idea what a britnat is. I think your analysis of the benefits to the economy is a bit lacking if you rely on a couple of folk you've spoken to in the town. The finanaces go way beyond that, and you'll notice I mentioned the economy of Scotland, not the just the local shops in the area. Taxes etc and also expenditure in other parts of the country. Even with that though, over 1/3 of the local economy is linked to the base so there's no doubt it has an impact there, despite the financial reports from your friends. A britnat is yourself ,maybe you should go to helensburgh and surrounding area and see for yourself ask some shopkeepers or barmen what the base brings to the area Ask any shopkeeper or barman if they'd prefer the base to close. Also ask the local politicians, or even the SNP government. So does that mean I'm an EUnat as well? What is a britnat and an Eunat? Are they the same or is there a difference? The workers on the base dont use the local bars ,shops much so wont make much difference, come on you know jackie baillie is a lying cow and makes it up as she goes along ,your a britnat as you seem to be happy to be governed by a British goverment hope that sorts it for you "So anyone within the UK who isn't a seperatist is a britnat? That's a pretty wide and meaningless definition. I'll ask again, does that also mean I'm an EUnat if I voted to remain in the EU? I've just done a quick search for the term on twitter and rather weirdly it only seems to be a term used by nationalists. It's almost as though they've realised, like Sturgeon, nationalism has nasty connotations. | |||
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"Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot. There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media. Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library which gave a table showing that based on Scotland’s GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place Interesting can anyone tell me is that all lies ? And now? It's alright pulling up selective facts but everything needs to be taken into context. The oil boom of the 70s and 80s did indeed give the UK a massive boost. However, that boom is now a slump. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread title but I'm sure the OP has a motive in mind. So is all that above lies ? No, but I can't see your point here? So Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received dubunks the myth of Scotland being subside junkies and Scotland’s GDP per capita, would occupy 7th place in the world’s wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place looks good for an independent Scotland right ? You do realise that all this was 20 years ago? What is the current per head deficit for Scotland? Yes so why would it change ? You do know The Scottish government arent in control of the UK treasury right ? And also Scotland has no borrowing powers thats reversed to Westminster correct ? So the deficit unionists love going on and on about is the effects of Scotland being in the UK where money is reversed to Westminster treasury correct ? Not a good look it shows you the Westminster government are fucking up The deficit in Scotland is because the Scottish executive spend more than Scotland raises in taxes nothing to do with Westminster! !! What's more sturgeon swinny and salmond are all on recored as bigging up the GERS figures as it shows Scotland's true expediture !!!! Told you blame the SNP and defend the Tories thats what yoons do lol Does GERS show you what an independent Scotland looks like ? Or does it show you what effect Scotland has in your wonderful fucked up rUK ? Hehe It shows Scotland's fucked position now !!! GERS has never been criticised by any of your beloved leaders you know the ones that can't pay the farmers on time !!! And Scotland is in the UK " now" lol Again GERS does not show you what an independent Scotland looks like correct ? As your leaders stated Gers was never set up to show what an Indy Scotland would look like. They were delighted to state it would show where Scotland is now as you must have a starting point. Little did they think they would show Scotland would have such a large deficit. To rejoin the EU the deficit has to be cut by raising taxes and cutting services. These are not my words but those of Nicola sturgeon when she was being interviewed by on tv by Alex Neil !!! So in all GERS shows you what Scotland looks like in the UK and you wanna go with this ? Lmao Tell me something how much is Scotland paying its share of Trident ? Trident over the 30 year lifespan will not plug anywhere near the gap. And remember if trident went it would hit the Scottish economy hard as faslane is the second biggest employer in Scotland How many scots are working at faslane ?" Plenty as as I stated before at the pass office there ae every trade under the sun, laudery , catering etc all going through there security checks. | |||
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