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"There is a meeting now with may who is convincing the japanese over brexit, as they have cars and other products here they develop, it will cost more than 13%, will it be worth it? I dont thinks so "Japanese ambassador hints companies will leave...... | |||
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"There is a meeting now with may who is convincing the japanese over brexit, as they have cars and other products here they develop, it will cost more than 13%, will it be worth it? I dont thinks so
Japanese ambassador hints companies will leave......"That is right, also as different parts is made all over europe, so it wouldnt be profitable in the uk. | |||
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"Surely this is all just Project Fear? We are Grate Brittn innit. Can’t let foreigners lied over us - especially Japanese. Who do they think they are dictatering to us "That's right. no one can know whats going to happen until it has happened... After all none of us have crystal balls, and brexit is going to be great because we are all going to get blue passports! | |||
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"The kippers should remind the Japanese who won the war.We don't take threats lightly. "Ha ha. brilliant. | |||
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"The Japanese told us not to vote for Brexit before the referendum. It was a bad idea then and its still a bad idea now."  | |||
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"If they leave may be a good thing we can get back to producing our own cars " Really which ones...  | |||
"If they leave may be a good thing we can get back to producing our own cars Really which ones... "corgi and dinky | |||
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"If they leave may be a good thing we can get back to producing our own cars " Lol | |||
"If they leave may be a good thing we can get back to producing our own cars " 140,000 direct jobs employed by Japanese companies, how many more reliant on those in supply and local businesses and we are talking a lot of people.. No one voted to put those jobs in jeopardy in the referendum.. Or is it the case that those politicians who want the armageddon option don't give a toss.. | |||
"If they leave may be a good thing we can get back to producing our own cars " What car do you drive? | |||
"If they leave may be a good thing we can get back to producing our own cars " I mean ... Just wow | |||
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"If they leave may be a good thing we can get back to producing our own cars " is that what you are going to tell the people for example work at nissan which isn't that far away from you?  | |||
"corgi and dinky "Aren't they made in Germany now? | |||
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"If they leave may be a good thing we can get back to producing our own cars " Bit brief on details there. Why haven't they been producing all of these cars already in such high volumes, selling them here and ovcrseas? I don't suppose it's because it's these Japanese cars are more demanded is it? Of course the UK could be making them all, it just needs manufacturers here and customers who want them and have enough money  left after Brexit. | |||
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"Leavers quiet here ". nope, just busy . busy buying up Hilux's | |||
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..."Many find excuses or like to keep repeating old news and opinion: which they're probably realising has worn rather thin - what with the majority having no confidence in the mess. | |||
"If they leave may be a good thing we can get back to producing our own cars " Simple isn't it?  | |||
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"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods" Isn't that why the British motorcycle industry died? The Japanese built more reliable, better and cheaper? | |||
"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods Isn't that why the British motorcycle industry died? The Japanese built more reliable, better and cheaper?" True but Norton has now risen like a phoenix. | |||
"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods Isn't that why the British motorcycle industry died? The Japanese built more reliable, better and cheaper? True but Norton has now risen like a phoenix." Yes, but they are hardly mainstream are they? Triumph is a more representative example. They have done a great job, but it has taken them 25 years since Bloor restarted it. But even still it is not that simple as even ‘making things here’ relies on sourcing parts from across the EU. It is only cost effective to do so if they can have efficient plans. And that means efficient logistics. But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt | |||
"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods Isn't that why the British motorcycle industry died? The Japanese built more reliable, better and cheaper? True but Norton has now risen like a phoenix. Yes, but they are hardly mainstream are they? Triumph is a more representative example. They have done a great job, but it has taken them 25 years since Bloor restarted it. But even still it is not that simple as even ‘making things here’ relies on sourcing parts from across the EU. It is only cost effective to do so if they can have efficient plans. And that means efficient logistics. But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt" It's the same old BREXIT bullshit: Put the Great back in Britain. Problem is that it's only in their eyes that it wasn't there already. | |||
"The Japanese told us not to vote for Brexit before the referendum. It was a bad idea then and its still a bad idea now." it not Japanese that told us, it the Japanese companies and government. big difference. | |||
"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods Isn't that why the British motorcycle industry died? The Japanese built more reliable, better and cheaper? True but Norton has now risen like a phoenix." So who is going to invest the many £Billions required to start up manufacturing in a country that is on a path to make component logistics much more complicated and therefore the entire prospect of creating a competitive product. | |||
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"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods Isn't that why the British motorcycle industry died? The Japanese built more reliable, better and cheaper? True but Norton has now risen like a phoenix. Yes, but they are hardly mainstream are they? Triumph is a more representative example. They have done a great job, but it has taken them 25 years since Bloor restarted it. But even still it is not that simple as even ‘making things here’ relies on sourcing parts from across the EU. It is only cost effective to do so if they can have efficient plans. And that means efficient logistics. But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt" Yes, my mistake there. I was getting British marques mixed up. Triumph is more the model that needs to be replicated. | |||
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"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods" Go back to making crap cars that noone wanted to buy? That's quite a business model to be promoting | |||
"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods Go back to making crap cars that noone wanted to buy? That's quite a business model to be promoting" British built cars are now well known for their excellent build quality. | |||
"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods Go back to making crap cars that noone wanted to buy? That's quite a business model to be promoting British built cars are now well known for their excellent build quality." Applying a standard of build quality to a particular country is irrelevant. As international car companies will have standardised assembly lines and quality proceedures, so a Nissan made in the UK will have the same build quality as one made in the US. And do we have any mass produced, wholly owned in Britain car companies anymore? Caterham perhaps? But hardly doing my monthly food shop in one of those. | |||
"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods Go back to making crap cars that noone wanted to buy? That's quite a business model to be promoting British built cars are now well known for their excellent build quality." FYI Jaguar Land Rover have one of the highest warranty claim rates in the industry. The Chinese built Evoque has a significantly better build quality. Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Peugeot and Mini (BMW) have very efficient UK plants. Vauxhall does not. Bentley and Rolls Royce are Audi and BMW owned. Bentley build quality questionable next to the equivalent Audi. In every single case above, plus Aston Martin, the billions of investment did not come from the UK. If the UK is outside the biggest local market, why keep building cars here? This is not talking anything down. This is reality. | |||
"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods Isn't that why the British motorcycle industry died? The Japanese built more reliable, better and cheaper? True but Norton has now risen like a phoenix. Yes, but they are hardly mainstream are they? Triumph is a more representative example. They have done a great job, but it has taken them 25 years since Bloor restarted it. But even still it is not that simple as even ‘making things here’ relies on sourcing parts from across the EU. It is only cost effective to do so if they can have efficient plans. And that means efficient logistics. But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt Yes, my mistake there. I was getting British marques mixed up. Triumph is more the model that needs to be replicated. " Replicated maybe yes, but the scale is astronomical. Triumph makes, what 60,000 bikes per annum I think. Of which 85% are sold overseas. Even if 100% of those bikes were kept for the UK market, that would only represent something like 2-3% of the UK annual car sales. So you would need to scale it up around 40 times just to meet the UK annual car sales levels. -Matt | |||
"Let's hope a spanner gets thrown in the works this week's with labours speech on Brexit. " LOL, if Labour really are going to announce this week that they want to stay in the customs union many working class Labour Leave voters in the north of England will see that as a betrayal of the referendum result and a betrayal of the Labour party general election manifesto. Labour will lose support over this, no doubt about it. | |||
"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods Go back to making crap cars that noone wanted to buy? That's quite a business model to be promoting" The crap British cars of the 70's from companies like MG/Rover and British Leyland in the past are no comparison to the modern day cars made by companies like Jaguar/Land Rover, McClaren and Aston Martin today. Frankly it's a ridiculous comparison. | |||
"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods Go back to making crap cars that noone wanted to buy? That's quite a business model to be promoting British built cars are now well known for their excellent build quality. FYI Jaguar Land Rover have one of the highest warranty claim rates in the industry. The Chinese built Evoque has a significantly better build quality. Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Peugeot and Mini (BMW) have very efficient UK plants. Vauxhall does not. Bentley and Rolls Royce are Audi and BMW owned. Bentley build quality questionable next to the equivalent Audi. In every single case above, plus Aston Martin, the billions of investment did not come from the UK. If the UK is outside the biggest local market, why keep building cars here? This is not talking anything down. This is reality." I said British built, not British owned. The people that I deal with on a day to day basis in the automotive sector will happily tell you to steer clear of anything French built. The German and Spanish built Fords are now being known for sub-standard build quality. | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt" our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame | |||
"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods Go back to making crap cars that noone wanted to buy? That's quite a business model to be promoting British built cars are now well known for their excellent build quality. FYI Jaguar Land Rover have one of the highest warranty claim rates in the industry. The Chinese built Evoque has a significantly better build quality. Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Peugeot and Mini (BMW) have very efficient UK plants. Vauxhall does not. Bentley and Rolls Royce are Audi and BMW owned. Bentley build quality questionable next to the equivalent Audi. In every single case above, plus Aston Martin, the billions of investment did not come from the UK. If the UK is outside the biggest local market, why keep building cars here? This is not talking anything down. This is reality. I said British built, not British owned. The people that I deal with on a day to day basis in the automotive sector will happily tell you to steer clear of anything French built. The German and Spanish built Fords are now being known for sub-standard build quality." On another thread a couple of months ago I posted the consumer guide ratings of cars built all over the world. Only one German built car was in the list which was an Audi. The rest of the cars in the consumer guide list were from car companies outside of the EU, mainly Japanese car companies like Toyota, Honda and Nissan. | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame "Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems. | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems. "be a good little boy and do as admin told you | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
be a good little boy and do as admin told you"A moderator said we should ignore each other on another thread.....which I've done. No moderator has posted on this thread, so be a good little boy and jog on. | |||
"Let's hope a spanner gets thrown in the works this week's with labours speech on Brexit. LOL, if Labour really are going to announce this week that they want to stay in the customs union many working class Labour Leave voters in the north of England will see that as a betrayal of the referendum result and a betrayal of the Labour party general election manifesto. Labour will lose support over this, no doubt about it. " "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union? Remain a member of the European Union Leave the European Union" It doesn't matter how loudly you shout about what people "really" meant or use words like "betrayal" or "overwhelming". It's nonsense. Anything that fulfils the criteria above is legitimate. Another referendum will also be perfectly democratic. Something along the lines of: "Now that you know what leaving the European Union actuators do you still want to do it? Yes No" | |||
"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods Go back to making crap cars that noone wanted to buy? That's quite a business model to be promoting British built cars are now well known for their excellent build quality. FYI Jaguar Land Rover have one of the highest warranty claim rates in the industry. The Chinese built Evoque has a significantly better build quality. Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Peugeot and Mini (BMW) have very efficient UK plants. Vauxhall does not. Bentley and Rolls Royce are Audi and BMW owned. Bentley build quality questionable next to the equivalent Audi. In every single case above, plus Aston Martin, the billions of investment did not come from the UK. If the UK is outside the biggest local market, why keep building cars here? This is not talking anything down. This is reality. I said British built, not British owned. The people that I deal with on a day to day basis in the automotive sector will happily tell you to steer clear of anything French built. The German and Spanish built Fords are now being known for sub-standard build quality." You aren't really following are you? They are all foreign owned car companies. They will run down their investment in the UK and move their plants to factories on the correct side of the tariff barrier. UK build quality is as patchy as anywhere else and is company specific not inherently due to the British workforce. Who will invest in production in a country on the wrong side of the biggest local market and thousands of miles away from other ones? | |||
"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods Go back to making crap cars that noone wanted to buy? That's quite a business model to be promoting British built cars are now well known for their excellent build quality. FYI Jaguar Land Rover have one of the highest warranty claim rates in the industry. The Chinese built Evoque has a significantly better build quality. Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Peugeot and Mini (BMW) have very efficient UK plants. Vauxhall does not. Bentley and Rolls Royce are Audi and BMW owned. Bentley build quality questionable next to the equivalent Audi. In every single case above, plus Aston Martin, the billions of investment did not come from the UK. If the UK is outside the biggest local market, why keep building cars here? This is not talking anything down. This is reality. I said British built, not British owned. The people that I deal with on a day to day basis in the automotive sector will happily tell you to steer clear of anything French built. The German and Spanish built Fords are now being known for sub-standard build quality. On another thread a couple of months ago I posted the consumer guide ratings of cars built all over the world. Only one German built car was in the list which was an Audi. The rest of the cars in the consumer guide list were from car companies outside of the EU, mainly Japanese car companies like Toyota, Honda and Nissan. " Well done. So you are saying that British built cars are no better. I didn't say that EU build quality was substantially better did I? If they are broadly similar then why invest here if it's a smaller market? In that same thread I told you that the next phase in technology for the company, the I-Pace, is being built in Austria. JLR have also been busy building a state of the art factory in Slovakia. | |||
"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods Go back to making crap cars that noone wanted to buy? That's quite a business model to be promoting British built cars are now well known for their excellent build quality. FYI Jaguar Land Rover have one of the highest warranty claim rates in the industry. The Chinese built Evoque has a significantly better build quality. Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Peugeot and Mini (BMW) have very efficient UK plants. Vauxhall does not. Bentley and Rolls Royce are Audi and BMW owned. Bentley build quality questionable next to the equivalent Audi. In every single case above, plus Aston Martin, the billions of investment did not come from the UK. If the UK is outside the biggest local market, why keep building cars here? This is not talking anything down. This is reality. I said British built, not British owned. The people that I deal with on a day to day basis in the automotive sector will happily tell you to steer clear of anything French built. The German and Spanish built Fords are now being known for sub-standard build quality. You aren't really following are you? They are all foreign owned car companies. They will run down their investment in the UK and move their plants to factories on the correct side of the tariff barrier. UK build quality is as patchy as anywhere else and is company specific not inherently due to the British workforce. Who will invest in production in a country on the wrong side of the biggest local market and thousands of miles away from other ones?" I'm currently working on automotive automation projects for builds into the early 2020s. Producers may well move abroad. They do so because manufacturing costs are cheaper. It's not a new phenomenon. | |||
"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods Go back to making crap cars that noone wanted to buy? That's quite a business model to be promoting British built cars are now well known for their excellent build quality. FYI Jaguar Land Rover have one of the highest warranty claim rates in the industry. The Chinese built Evoque has a significantly better build quality. Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Peugeot and Mini (BMW) have very efficient UK plants. Vauxhall does not. Bentley and Rolls Royce are Audi and BMW owned. Bentley build quality questionable next to the equivalent Audi. In every single case above, plus Aston Martin, the billions of investment did not come from the UK. If the UK is outside the biggest local market, why keep building cars here? This is not talking anything down. This is reality. I said British built, not British owned. The people that I deal with on a day to day basis in the automotive sector will happily tell you to steer clear of anything French built. The German and Spanish built Fords are now being known for sub-standard build quality. You aren't really following are you? They are all foreign owned car companies. They will run down their investment in the UK and move their plants to factories on the correct side of the tariff barrier. UK build quality is as patchy as anywhere else and is company specific not inherently due to the British workforce. Who will invest in production in a country on the wrong side of the biggest local market and thousands of miles away from other ones? I'm currently working on automotive automation projects for builds into the early 2020s. Producers may well move abroad. They do so because manufacturing costs are cheaper. It's not a new phenomenon." Yes. That's the point. 2020 is not much of a horizon is it? The only way that Brexit will reduce costs is to reduce the costs of UK labour or provide subsidies (against WTO rules) or tax breaks (reduce government income). Otherwise increased component import time and cost. Increased export costs through tariffs. The original claim that we are "going back" to some past of brilliant UK car design and production is a nonsense as is any claim that UK built cars are now particularly remarkable. | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems. "The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it? -Matt | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt"Are you able to follow who is replying to who on this thread? It's very simple and my comment wasn't in reply to your comment. That seemed to go right over your head, didn't it? | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt"clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite"And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something. -Matt | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
Are you able to follow who is replying to who on this thread? It's very simple and my comment wasn't in reply to your comment. That seemed to go right over your head, didn't it? "You mean I can read more than two things at once and put it in context? Fucking hell. -Matt | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
Are you able to follow who is replying to who on this thread? It's very simple and my comment wasn't in reply to your comment. That seemed to go right over your head, didn't it?
You mean I can read more than two things at once and put it in context? Fucking hell.
-Matt"No I mean you can't follow a thread and understand who is replying to who. Fucking hell. | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt"Oh look remainers talking Britain and British products down again, what a surprise.
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"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt"Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day. | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day. "Seriously? This is what you're hanging the future of the automotive industry on? The Jaguar E-type, the Mini and what else? The Aston Martin DB7? The Lotus Elan? The original Range Rover? Individual cars, however beautiful, do not constitute a successful industry. Get a grip and tell us why Honda or Nissan or Toyota should continue to build cars here rather than within the EU? | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day. "Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions. -Matt | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Oh look remainers talking Britain and British products down again, what a surprise.
"Ffs, I drive a jaguar and I ride a triumph motorbike! I doubt I could make my transport options any more British if I tried. Alas I don’t have room for a Caterham so that is out of the question. I’m all for British engineering. I want us to succeed. But to try and hide the past will not help anyone. Our automotive industry (like our food) IS good these days. Very good. But to try and hold up our past as something to aspire to go back to on this front is just ludicrous. -Matt | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day.
Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions.
-Matt"You and Easy appear to be living in some kind of alternate universe, where exactly did i say that the Jaguar E-type was the answer to today's problems? You and Pieces trashed Jaguar/Land Rovers history, so i merely offered an alternative point of view to your negative comments by highlighting the Jaguar E-type. Not for one second did i suggest it should go back into production. You and the likes of Pieces continue to talk Britain down, i prefer to talk Britain and what we have to offer up. | |||
 | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day.
Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions.
-Matt
You and Easy appear to be living in some kind of alternate universe, where exactly did i say that the Jaguar E-type was the answer to today's problems?
You and Pieces trashed Jaguar/Land Rovers history, so i merely offered an alternative point of view to your negative comments by highlighting the Jaguar E-type. Not for one second did i suggest it should go back into production. You and the likes of Pieces continue to talk Britain down, i prefer to talk Britain and what we have to offer up. "No. Taking a realistic look at our strengths and weaknesses is not talking Britain down. You repeating a phrase incessantly doesn't make it true. It should be easy with your positive mental attitude to indicate why a foreign owned automotive company should continue to manufacture cars here rather than on the continent after leaving the single market. Please go ahead and do so. | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day.
Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions.
-Matt
You and Easy appear to be living in some kind of alternate universe, where exactly did i say that the Jaguar E-type was the answer to today's problems?
You and Pieces trashed Jaguar/Land Rovers history, so i merely offered an alternative point of view to your negative comments by highlighting the Jaguar E-type. Not for one second did i suggest it should go back into production. You and the likes of Pieces continue to talk Britain down, i prefer to talk Britain and what we have to offer up. "We didn't trash JLR's history. We pointed out that the 'golden age' that many Brexiteers want to take us back to was far from 'golden' in many industries and those industries are doing much better now than they were back there. I would say that globalisation and the ability to source parts from the best suppliers and be able to freely move those parts about, along with Japanese expertise in just-in-time manufacturing and TQM are what has pushed things forward. Many brexiteer's answers to pretty much everything is 'well, we can just source it/do it/make it/supply it/staff it outselves'. Well yes, good plan. But we have ALWAYS been able to do that. Nothing has stopped us doing that. But you can't hold up single examples (Jag e-type) or single small-scale manufacturers (Triumph) and say they are the sole answer. They just simply do not have the capacity to meet our needs. The same with the people that say 'Two fingers up to the French, we can just make our own wine'... well yes we could, but we'd have d*unk it all by mid-January and then be dry for the rest of the year. I am not talking Britain down. I am being realistic here. You live in a fantasy land... which is great, enjoy it, but the rest of us in the real world have real concerns that come next year, there just won't be the things in place needed for us to compete globally on our own. -Matt | |||
can just see the show rooms being inundated.. | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day.
Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions.
-Matt
You and Easy appear to be living in some kind of alternate universe, where exactly did i say that the Jaguar E-type was the answer to today's problems?
You and Pieces trashed Jaguar/Land Rovers history, so i merely offered an alternative point of view to your negative comments by highlighting the Jaguar E-type. Not for one second did i suggest it should go back into production. You and the likes of Pieces continue to talk Britain down, i prefer to talk Britain and what we have to offer up.
We didn't trash JLR's history. We pointed out that the 'golden age' that many Brexiteers want to take us back to was far from 'golden' in many industries and those industries are doing much better now than they were back there. I would say that globalisation and the ability to source parts from the best suppliers and be able to freely move those parts about, along with Japanese expertise in just-in-time manufacturing and TQM are what has pushed things forward.
Many brexiteer's answers to pretty much everything is 'well, we can just source it/do it/make it/supply it/staff it outselves'. Well yes, good plan. But we have ALWAYS been able to do that. Nothing has stopped us doing that. But you can't hold up single examples (Jag e-type) or single small-scale manufacturers (Triumph) and say they are the sole answer. They just simply do not have the capacity to meet our needs. The same with the people that say 'Two fingers up to the French, we can just make our own wine'... well yes we could, but we'd have d*unk it all by mid-January and then be dry for the rest of the year.
I am not talking Britain down. I am being realistic here. You live in a fantasy land... which is great, enjoy it, but the rest of us in the real world have real concerns that come next year, there just won't be the things in place needed for us to compete globally on our own.
-Matt"More nonsense from remainers again saying we'd have to be self sufficient. No Brexiter is saying we should completely shut up shop and be completely self sufficient. We are leaving the EU and joining the rest if the world again. Imports and exports will continue after Brexit, more so with the wider world outside of the EU. If you think we need to be self sufficient after Brexit it's you who is living in fantasy land. It's yet more scaremongering doom and gloom pessimistic nonsense from people like you and others on this thread, I think the general public and the 52% leave majority are getting pretty sick and tired of it and frankly attitudes like yours just make us more determined to leave on even harder Brexit terms. | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day.
Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions.
-Matt
You and Easy appear to be living in some kind of alternate universe, where exactly did i say that the Jaguar E-type was the answer to today's problems?
You and Pieces trashed Jaguar/Land Rovers history, so i merely offered an alternative point of view to your negative comments by highlighting the Jaguar E-type. Not for one second did i suggest it should go back into production. You and the likes of Pieces continue to talk Britain down, i prefer to talk Britain and what we have to offer up.
We didn't trash JLR's history. We pointed out that the 'golden age' that many Brexiteers want to take us back to was far from 'golden' in many industries and those industries are doing much better now than they were back there. I would say that globalisation and the ability to source parts from the best suppliers and be able to freely move those parts about, along with Japanese expertise in just-in-time manufacturing and TQM are what has pushed things forward.
Many brexiteer's answers to pretty much everything is 'well, we can just source it/do it/make it/supply it/staff it outselves'. Well yes, good plan. But we have ALWAYS been able to do that. Nothing has stopped us doing that. But you can't hold up single examples (Jag e-type) or single small-scale manufacturers (Triumph) and say they are the sole answer. They just simply do not have the capacity to meet our needs. The same with the people that say 'Two fingers up to the French, we can just make our own wine'... well yes we could, but we'd have d*unk it all by mid-January and then be dry for the rest of the year.
I am not talking Britain down. I am being realistic here. You live in a fantasy land... which is great, enjoy it, but the rest of us in the real world have real concerns that come next year, there just won't be the things in place needed for us to compete globally on our own.
-Matt
More nonsense from remainers again saying we'd have to be self sufficient. No Brexiter is saying we should completely shut up shop and be completely self sufficient. We are leaving the EU and joining the rest if the world again. Imports and exports will continue after Brexit, more so with the wider world outside of the EU. If you think we need to be self sufficient after Brexit it's you who is living in fantasy land. It's yet more scaremongering doom and gloom pessimistic nonsense from people like you and others on this thread, I think the general public and the 52% leave majority are getting pretty sick and tired of it and frankly attitudes like yours just make us more determined to leave on even harder Brexit terms. "You do not actually know anything about the 52% Leave majority as you do not believe in any form of polling. As a consequence, all that you could possibly know are the opinions of those few with whom you are in direct communication. Try not to be so arrogant as to speak for others. Try. Any way, if you could see yourself clear to explaining why any automotive manufacturer would wish to build their cars in the UK rather than the EU where most of the supplier and customer base is located I would be grateful. Unless you had a product which was not at all sensitive to price, meaning: Maclaren, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin or the most expensive JLR products, why would you manufacture on the wrong side of a tariff barrier? Whenever you're ready  | |||
"Yer it is simple we go back to what we used to do We have gotten used to the cheap shite let us get back to good quality British goods Go back to making crap cars that noone wanted to buy? That's quite a business model to be promoting The crap British cars of the 70's from companies like MG/Rover and British Leyland in the past are no comparison to the modern day cars made by companies like Jaguar/Land Rover, McClaren and Aston Martin today. Frankly it's a ridiculous comparison. " None of those are British companies, or had that escaped your notice? | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day.
Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions.
-Matt
You and Easy appear to be living in some kind of alternate universe, where exactly did i say that the Jaguar E-type was the answer to today's problems?
You and Pieces trashed Jaguar/Land Rovers history, so i merely offered an alternative point of view to your negative comments by highlighting the Jaguar E-type. Not for one second did i suggest it should go back into production. You and the likes of Pieces continue to talk Britain down, i prefer to talk Britain and what we have to offer up.
We didn't trash JLR's history. We pointed out that the 'golden age' that many Brexiteers want to take us back to was far from 'golden' in many industries and those industries are doing much better now than they were back there. I would say that globalisation and the ability to source parts from the best suppliers and be able to freely move those parts about, along with Japanese expertise in just-in-time manufacturing and TQM are what has pushed things forward.
Many brexiteer's answers to pretty much everything is 'well, we can just source it/do it/make it/supply it/staff it outselves'. Well yes, good plan. But we have ALWAYS been able to do that. Nothing has stopped us doing that. But you can't hold up single examples (Jag e-type) or single small-scale manufacturers (Triumph) and say they are the sole answer. They just simply do not have the capacity to meet our needs. The same with the people that say 'Two fingers up to the French, we can just make our own wine'... well yes we could, but we'd have d*unk it all by mid-January and then be dry for the rest of the year.
I am not talking Britain down. I am being realistic here. You live in a fantasy land... which is great, enjoy it, but the rest of us in the real world have real concerns that come next year, there just won't be the things in place needed for us to compete globally on our own.
-Matt
More nonsense from remainers again saying we'd have to be self sufficient. No Brexiter is saying we should completely shut up shop and be completely self sufficient. We are leaving the EU and joining the rest if the world again. Imports and exports will continue after Brexit, more so with the wider world outside of the EU. If you think we need to be self sufficient after Brexit it's you who is living in fantasy land. It's yet more scaremongering doom and gloom pessimistic nonsense from people like you and others on this thread, I think the general public and the 52% leave majority are getting pretty sick and tired of it and frankly attitudes like yours just make us more determined to leave on even harder Brexit terms.
You do not actually know anything about the 52% Leave majority as you do not believe in any form of polling. As a consequence, all that you could possibly know are the opinions of those few with whom you are in direct communication.
Try not to be so arrogant as to speak for others. Try.
Any way, if you could see yourself clear to explaining why any automotive manufacturer would wish to build their cars in the UK rather than the EU where most of the supplier and customer base is located I would be grateful.
Unless you had a product which was not at all sensitive to price, meaning: Maclaren, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin or the most expensive JLR products, why would you manufacture on the wrong side of a tariff barrier?
Whenever you're ready "Should tariffs be part of Brexit, then it works both ways. Automotive manufacturers in the EU that export into the UK, be it components or finished cars, could benefit from moving operations to the UK. | |||
"Leavers quiet here
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nope, just busy
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busy buying up Hilux's"You always struck me as more of a pajero driver | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day.
Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions.
-Matt
You and Easy appear to be living in some kind of alternate universe, where exactly did i say that the Jaguar E-type was the answer to today's problems?
You and Pieces trashed Jaguar/Land Rovers history, so i merely offered an alternative point of view to your negative comments by highlighting the Jaguar E-type. Not for one second did i suggest it should go back into production. You and the likes of Pieces continue to talk Britain down, i prefer to talk Britain and what we have to offer up.
We didn't trash JLR's history. We pointed out that the 'golden age' that many Brexiteers want to take us back to was far from 'golden' in many industries and those industries are doing much better now than they were back there. I would say that globalisation and the ability to source parts from the best suppliers and be able to freely move those parts about, along with Japanese expertise in just-in-time manufacturing and TQM are what has pushed things forward.
Many brexiteer's answers to pretty much everything is 'well, we can just source it/do it/make it/supply it/staff it outselves'. Well yes, good plan. But we have ALWAYS been able to do that. Nothing has stopped us doing that. But you can't hold up single examples (Jag e-type) or single small-scale manufacturers (Triumph) and say they are the sole answer. They just simply do not have the capacity to meet our needs. The same with the people that say 'Two fingers up to the French, we can just make our own wine'... well yes we could, but we'd have d*unk it all by mid-January and then be dry for the rest of the year.
I am not talking Britain down. I am being realistic here. You live in a fantasy land... which is great, enjoy it, but the rest of us in the real world have real concerns that come next year, there just won't be the things in place needed for us to compete globally on our own.
-Matt
More nonsense from remainers again saying we'd have to be self sufficient. No Brexiter is saying we should completely shut up shop and be completely self sufficient. We are leaving the EU and joining the rest if the world again. Imports and exports will continue after Brexit, more so with the wider world outside of the EU. If you think we need to be self sufficient after Brexit it's you who is living in fantasy land. It's yet more scaremongering doom and gloom pessimistic nonsense from people like you and others on this thread, I think the general public and the 52% leave majority are getting pretty sick and tired of it and frankly attitudes like yours just make us more determined to leave on even harder Brexit terms.
You do not actually know anything about the 52% Leave majority as you do not believe in any form of polling. As a consequence, all that you could possibly know are the opinions of those few with whom you are in direct communication.
Try not to be so arrogant as to speak for others. Try.
Any way, if you could see yourself clear to explaining why any automotive manufacturer would wish to build their cars in the UK rather than the EU where most of the supplier and customer base is located I would be grateful.
Unless you had a product which was not at all sensitive to price, meaning: Maclaren, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin or the most expensive JLR products, why would you manufacture on the wrong side of a tariff barrier?
Whenever you're ready
Should tariffs be part of Brexit, then it works both ways.
Automotive manufacturers in the EU that export into the UK, be it components or finished cars, could benefit from moving operations to the UK.
"Economies of scale don't work like that. It makes more sense to move production to the largest local market, which is the EU by several times. Especially as most of the supplier base is there. Then everyone exports to the UK. All that happens is that we get to pay more for cars. The only manufacturing left Will be specialist and high value cars where a few more thousand on importing components and export tariffs make no difference. | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day.
Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions.
-Matt
You and Easy appear to be living in some kind of alternate universe, where exactly did i say that the Jaguar E-type was the answer to today's problems?
You and Pieces trashed Jaguar/Land Rovers history, so i merely offered an alternative point of view to your negative comments by highlighting the Jaguar E-type. Not for one second did i suggest it should go back into production. You and the likes of Pieces continue to talk Britain down, i prefer to talk Britain and what we have to offer up.
We didn't trash JLR's history. We pointed out that the 'golden age' that many Brexiteers want to take us back to was far from 'golden' in many industries and those industries are doing much better now than they were back there. I would say that globalisation and the ability to source parts from the best suppliers and be able to freely move those parts about, along with Japanese expertise in just-in-time manufacturing and TQM are what has pushed things forward.
Many brexiteer's answers to pretty much everything is 'well, we can just source it/do it/make it/supply it/staff it outselves'. Well yes, good plan. But we have ALWAYS been able to do that. Nothing has stopped us doing that. But you can't hold up single examples (Jag e-type) or single small-scale manufacturers (Triumph) and say they are the sole answer. They just simply do not have the capacity to meet our needs. The same with the people that say 'Two fingers up to the French, we can just make our own wine'... well yes we could, but we'd have d*unk it all by mid-January and then be dry for the rest of the year.
I am not talking Britain down. I am being realistic here. You live in a fantasy land... which is great, enjoy it, but the rest of us in the real world have real concerns that come next year, there just won't be the things in place needed for us to compete globally on our own.
-Matt
More nonsense from remainers again saying we'd have to be self sufficient. No Brexiter is saying we should completely shut up shop and be completely self sufficient. We are leaving the EU and joining the rest if the world again. Imports and exports will continue after Brexit, more so with the wider world outside of the EU. If you think we need to be self sufficient after Brexit it's you who is living in fantasy land. It's yet more scaremongering doom and gloom pessimistic nonsense from people like you and others on this thread, I think the general public and the 52% leave majority are getting pretty sick and tired of it and frankly attitudes like yours just make us more determined to leave on even harder Brexit terms.
You do not actually know anything about the 52% Leave majority as you do not believe in any form of polling. As a consequence, all that you could possibly know are the opinions of those few with whom you are in direct communication.
Try not to be so arrogant as to speak for others. Try.
Any way, if you could see yourself clear to explaining why any automotive manufacturer would wish to build their cars in the UK rather than the EU where most of the supplier and customer base is located I would be grateful.
Unless you had a product which was not at all sensitive to price, meaning: Maclaren, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin or the most expensive JLR products, why would you manufacture on the wrong side of a tariff barrier?
Whenever you're ready
Should tariffs be part of Brexit, then it works both ways.
Automotive manufacturers in the EU that export into the UK, be it components or finished cars, could benefit from moving operations to the UK.
Economies of scale don't work like that.
It makes more sense to move production to the largest local market, which is the EU by several times. Especially as most of the supplier base is there.
Then everyone exports to the UK. All that happens is that we get to pay more for cars.
The only manufacturing left Will be specialist and high value cars where a few more thousand on importing components and export tariffs make no difference."If that happens then UK consumers won't buy cars made in the EU. UK consumers will buy domestic cars made entirely in the uk or from abroad outside of the EU. As we're leaving the EU and joining the rest of the world outside, cars will be much cheaper from outside of the EU, from countries we strike free trade deals with. Remember that consumer guide list, only one EU car manufacturer made it into the top 10 (Audi). The other 9 car manufacturers in the top 10 of the consumer guide list were from car companies outside of the EU like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, KIA, and Chevrolet. The UK is an attractive rich market of around 65-70 million people to those companies. | |||
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"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day.
Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions.
-Matt
You and Easy appear to be living in some kind of alternate universe, where exactly did i say that the Jaguar E-type was the answer to today's problems?
You and Pieces trashed Jaguar/Land Rovers history, so i merely offered an alternative point of view to your negative comments by highlighting the Jaguar E-type. Not for one second did i suggest it should go back into production. You and the likes of Pieces continue to talk Britain down, i prefer to talk Britain and what we have to offer up.
We didn't trash JLR's history. We pointed out that the 'golden age' that many Brexiteers want to take us back to was far from 'golden' in many industries and those industries are doing much better now than they were back there. I would say that globalisation and the ability to source parts from the best suppliers and be able to freely move those parts about, along with Japanese expertise in just-in-time manufacturing and TQM are what has pushed things forward.
Many brexiteer's answers to pretty much everything is 'well, we can just source it/do it/make it/supply it/staff it outselves'. Well yes, good plan. But we have ALWAYS been able to do that. Nothing has stopped us doing that. But you can't hold up single examples (Jag e-type) or single small-scale manufacturers (Triumph) and say they are the sole answer. They just simply do not have the capacity to meet our needs. The same with the people that say 'Two fingers up to the French, we can just make our own wine'... well yes we could, but we'd have d*unk it all by mid-January and then be dry for the rest of the year.
I am not talking Britain down. I am being realistic here. You live in a fantasy land... which is great, enjoy it, but the rest of us in the real world have real concerns that come next year, there just won't be the things in place needed for us to compete globally on our own.
-Matt
More nonsense from remainers again saying we'd have to be self sufficient. No Brexiter is saying we should completely shut up shop and be completely self sufficient. We are leaving the EU and joining the rest if the world again. Imports and exports will continue after Brexit, more so with the wider world outside of the EU. If you think we need to be self sufficient after Brexit it's you who is living in fantasy land. It's yet more scaremongering doom and gloom pessimistic nonsense from people like you and others on this thread, I think the general public and the 52% leave majority are getting pretty sick and tired of it and frankly attitudes like yours just make us more determined to leave on even harder Brexit terms.
You do not actually know anything about the 52% Leave majority as you do not believe in any form of polling. As a consequence, all that you could possibly know are the opinions of those few with whom you are in direct communication.
Try not to be so arrogant as to speak for others. Try.
Any way, if you could see yourself clear to explaining why any automotive manufacturer would wish to build their cars in the UK rather than the EU where most of the supplier and customer base is located I would be grateful.
Unless you had a product which was not at all sensitive to price, meaning: Maclaren, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin or the most expensive JLR products, why would you manufacture on the wrong side of a tariff barrier?
Whenever you're ready
Should tariffs be part of Brexit, then it works both ways.
Automotive manufacturers in the EU that export into the UK, be it components or finished cars, could benefit from moving operations to the UK.
Economies of scale don't work like that.
It makes more sense to move production to the largest local market, which is the EU by several times. Especially as most of the supplier base is there.
Then everyone exports to the UK. All that happens is that we get to pay more for cars.
The only manufacturing left Will be specialist and high value cars where a few more thousand on importing components and export tariffs make no difference.
If that happens then UK consumers won't buy cars made in the EU. UK consumers will buy domestic cars made entirely in the uk or from abroad outside of the EU. As we're leaving the EU and joining the rest of the world outside, cars will be much cheaper from outside of the EU, from countries we strike free trade deals with. Remember that consumer guide list, only one EU car manufacturer made it into the top 10 (Audi). The other 9 car manufacturers in the top 10 of the consumer guide list were from car companies outside of the EU like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, KIA, and Chevrolet. The UK is an attractive rich market of around 65-70 million people to those companies. "No, we will not be buying British cars for British people Centaur. You haven't got a handle on economies of scale I think. The UK is not a big enough market to build cars here for this market. It's not economical. Only Subaru and Kia manufacture outside the EU. The EU has a trade agreement with Korea and has just signed one with Japan. Where from the rest of the world were you planning to get these cars from? | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day.
Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions.
-Matt
You and Easy appear to be living in some kind of alternate universe, where exactly did i say that the Jaguar E-type was the answer to today's problems?
You and Pieces trashed Jaguar/Land Rovers history, so i merely offered an alternative point of view to your negative comments by highlighting the Jaguar E-type. Not for one second did i suggest it should go back into production. You and the likes of Pieces continue to talk Britain down, i prefer to talk Britain and what we have to offer up.
We didn't trash JLR's history. We pointed out that the 'golden age' that many Brexiteers want to take us back to was far from 'golden' in many industries and those industries are doing much better now than they were back there. I would say that globalisation and the ability to source parts from the best suppliers and be able to freely move those parts about, along with Japanese expertise in just-in-time manufacturing and TQM are what has pushed things forward.
Many brexiteer's answers to pretty much everything is 'well, we can just source it/do it/make it/supply it/staff it outselves'. Well yes, good plan. But we have ALWAYS been able to do that. Nothing has stopped us doing that. But you can't hold up single examples (Jag e-type) or single small-scale manufacturers (Triumph) and say they are the sole answer. They just simply do not have the capacity to meet our needs. The same with the people that say 'Two fingers up to the French, we can just make our own wine'... well yes we could, but we'd have d*unk it all by mid-January and then be dry for the rest of the year.
I am not talking Britain down. I am being realistic here. You live in a fantasy land... which is great, enjoy it, but the rest of us in the real world have real concerns that come next year, there just won't be the things in place needed for us to compete globally on our own.
-Matt
More nonsense from remainers again saying we'd have to be self sufficient. No Brexiter is saying we should completely shut up shop and be completely self sufficient. We are leaving the EU and joining the rest if the world again. Imports and exports will continue after Brexit, more so with the wider world outside of the EU. If you think we need to be self sufficient after Brexit it's you who is living in fantasy land. It's yet more scaremongering doom and gloom pessimistic nonsense from people like you and others on this thread, I think the general public and the 52% leave majority are getting pretty sick and tired of it and frankly attitudes like yours just make us more determined to leave on even harder Brexit terms.
You do not actually know anything about the 52% Leave majority as you do not believe in any form of polling. As a consequence, all that you could possibly know are the opinions of those few with whom you are in direct communication.
Try not to be so arrogant as to speak for others. Try.
Any way, if you could see yourself clear to explaining why any automotive manufacturer would wish to build their cars in the UK rather than the EU where most of the supplier and customer base is located I would be grateful.
Unless you had a product which was not at all sensitive to price, meaning: Maclaren, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin or the most expensive JLR products, why would you manufacture on the wrong side of a tariff barrier?
Whenever you're ready
Should tariffs be part of Brexit, then it works both ways.
Automotive manufacturers in the EU that export into the UK, be it components or finished cars, could benefit from moving operations to the UK.
Economies of scale don't work like that.
It makes more sense to move production to the largest local market, which is the EU by several times. Especially as most of the supplier base is there.
Then everyone exports to the UK. All that happens is that we get to pay more for cars.
The only manufacturing left Will be specialist and high value cars where a few more thousand on importing components and export tariffs make no difference.
If that happens then UK consumers won't buy cars made in the EU. UK consumers will buy domestic cars made entirely in the uk or from abroad outside of the EU. As we're leaving the EU and joining the rest of the world outside, cars will be much cheaper from outside of the EU, from countries we strike free trade deals with. Remember that consumer guide list, only one EU car manufacturer made it into the top 10 (Audi). The other 9 car manufacturers in the top 10 of the consumer guide list were from car companies outside of the EU like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, KIA, and Chevrolet. The UK is an attractive rich market of around 65-70 million people to those companies.
No, we will not be buying British cars for British people Centaur.
You haven't got a handle on economies of scale I think.
The UK is not a big enough market to build cars here for this market. It's not economical.
Only Subaru and Kia manufacture outside the EU.
The EU has a trade agreement with Korea and has just signed one with Japan.
Where from the rest of the world were you planning to get these cars from?"Toyota, Honda and Nissan are Japanese companies. Chevrolet is an American car company and there are other American car companies besides Chevrolet. | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day.
Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions.
-Matt
You and Easy appear to be living in some kind of alternate universe, where exactly did i say that the Jaguar E-type was the answer to today's problems?
You and Pieces trashed Jaguar/Land Rovers history, so i merely offered an alternative point of view to your negative comments by highlighting the Jaguar E-type. Not for one second did i suggest it should go back into production. You and the likes of Pieces continue to talk Britain down, i prefer to talk Britain and what we have to offer up.
We didn't trash JLR's history. We pointed out that the 'golden age' that many Brexiteers want to take us back to was far from 'golden' in many industries and those industries are doing much better now than they were back there. I would say that globalisation and the ability to source parts from the best suppliers and be able to freely move those parts about, along with Japanese expertise in just-in-time manufacturing and TQM are what has pushed things forward.
Many brexiteer's answers to pretty much everything is 'well, we can just source it/do it/make it/supply it/staff it outselves'. Well yes, good plan. But we have ALWAYS been able to do that. Nothing has stopped us doing that. But you can't hold up single examples (Jag e-type) or single small-scale manufacturers (Triumph) and say they are the sole answer. They just simply do not have the capacity to meet our needs. The same with the people that say 'Two fingers up to the French, we can just make our own wine'... well yes we could, but we'd have d*unk it all by mid-January and then be dry for the rest of the year.
I am not talking Britain down. I am being realistic here. You live in a fantasy land... which is great, enjoy it, but the rest of us in the real world have real concerns that come next year, there just won't be the things in place needed for us to compete globally on our own.
-Matt
More nonsense from remainers again saying we'd have to be self sufficient. No Brexiter is saying we should completely shut up shop and be completely self sufficient. We are leaving the EU and joining the rest if the world again. Imports and exports will continue after Brexit, more so with the wider world outside of the EU. If you think we need to be self sufficient after Brexit it's you who is living in fantasy land. It's yet more scaremongering doom and gloom pessimistic nonsense from people like you and others on this thread, I think the general public and the 52% leave majority are getting pretty sick and tired of it and frankly attitudes like yours just make us more determined to leave on even harder Brexit terms.
You do not actually know anything about the 52% Leave majority as you do not believe in any form of polling. As a consequence, all that you could possibly know are the opinions of those few with whom you are in direct communication.
Try not to be so arrogant as to speak for others. Try.
Any way, if you could see yourself clear to explaining why any automotive manufacturer would wish to build their cars in the UK rather than the EU where most of the supplier and customer base is located I would be grateful.
Unless you had a product which was not at all sensitive to price, meaning: Maclaren, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin or the most expensive JLR products, why would you manufacture on the wrong side of a tariff barrier?
Whenever you're ready
Should tariffs be part of Brexit, then it works both ways.
Automotive manufacturers in the EU that export into the UK, be it components or finished cars, could benefit from moving operations to the UK.
Economies of scale don't work like that.
It makes more sense to move production to the largest local market, which is the EU by several times. Especially as most of the supplier base is there.
Then everyone exports to the UK. All that happens is that we get to pay more for cars.
The only manufacturing left Will be specialist and high value cars where a few more thousand on importing components and export tariffs make no difference.
If that happens then UK consumers won't buy cars made in the EU. UK consumers will buy domestic cars made entirely in the uk or from abroad outside of the EU. As we're leaving the EU and joining the rest of the world outside, cars will be much cheaper from outside of the EU, from countries we strike free trade deals with. Remember that consumer guide list, only one EU car manufacturer made it into the top 10 (Audi). The other 9 car manufacturers in the top 10 of the consumer guide list were from car companies outside of the EU like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, KIA, and Chevrolet. The UK is an attractive rich market of around 65-70 million people to those companies.
No, we will not be buying British cars for British people Centaur.
You haven't got a handle on economies of scale I think.
The UK is not a big enough market to build cars here for this market. It's not economical.
Only Subaru and Kia manufacture outside the EU.
The EU has a trade agreement with Korea and has just signed one with Japan.
Where from the rest of the world were you planning to get these cars from?
Toyota, Honda and Nissan are Japanese companies. Chevrolet is an American car company and there are other American car companies besides Chevrolet. "Centaur, I am really hoping that you are just being facetious and argumentative. You understand why global car manufacturers are called global? They design and build their products in many different countries. The most appropriate one to the largest market they can sell to. That is not us. America builds cars for an enormous country with wide straight roads. Ford Europe designs and builds cars for a country like us. As did Vauxhall/Opel for GM. We also do not have a trade deal with the USA which is incidentally on the far side of a big, wide ocean. | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day.
Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions.
-Matt
You and Easy appear to be living in some kind of alternate universe, where exactly did i say that the Jaguar E-type was the answer to today's problems?
You and Pieces trashed Jaguar/Land Rovers history, so i merely offered an alternative point of view to your negative comments by highlighting the Jaguar E-type. Not for one second did i suggest it should go back into production. You and the likes of Pieces continue to talk Britain down, i prefer to talk Britain and what we have to offer up.
We didn't trash JLR's history. We pointed out that the 'golden age' that many Brexiteers want to take us back to was far from 'golden' in many industries and those industries are doing much better now than they were back there. I would say that globalisation and the ability to source parts from the best suppliers and be able to freely move those parts about, along with Japanese expertise in just-in-time manufacturing and TQM are what has pushed things forward.
Many brexiteer's answers to pretty much everything is 'well, we can just source it/do it/make it/supply it/staff it outselves'. Well yes, good plan. But we have ALWAYS been able to do that. Nothing has stopped us doing that. But you can't hold up single examples (Jag e-type) or single small-scale manufacturers (Triumph) and say they are the sole answer. They just simply do not have the capacity to meet our needs. The same with the people that say 'Two fingers up to the French, we can just make our own wine'... well yes we could, but we'd have d*unk it all by mid-January and then be dry for the rest of the year.
I am not talking Britain down. I am being realistic here. You live in a fantasy land... which is great, enjoy it, but the rest of us in the real world have real concerns that come next year, there just won't be the things in place needed for us to compete globally on our own.
-Matt
More nonsense from remainers again saying we'd have to be self sufficient. No Brexiter is saying we should completely shut up shop and be completely self sufficient. We are leaving the EU and joining the rest if the world again. Imports and exports will continue after Brexit, more so with the wider world outside of the EU. If you think we need to be self sufficient after Brexit it's you who is living in fantasy land. It's yet more scaremongering doom and gloom pessimistic nonsense from people like you and others on this thread, I think the general public and the 52% leave majority are getting pretty sick and tired of it and frankly attitudes like yours just make us more determined to leave on even harder Brexit terms.
You do not actually know anything about the 52% Leave majority as you do not believe in any form of polling. As a consequence, all that you could possibly know are the opinions of those few with whom you are in direct communication.
Try not to be so arrogant as to speak for others. Try.
Any way, if you could see yourself clear to explaining why any automotive manufacturer would wish to build their cars in the UK rather than the EU where most of the supplier and customer base is located I would be grateful.
Unless you had a product which was not at all sensitive to price, meaning: Maclaren, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin or the most expensive JLR products, why would you manufacture on the wrong side of a tariff barrier?
Whenever you're ready
Should tariffs be part of Brexit, then it works both ways.
Automotive manufacturers in the EU that export into the UK, be it components or finished cars, could benefit from moving operations to the UK.
Economies of scale don't work like that.
It makes more sense to move production to the largest local market, which is the EU by several times. Especially as most of the supplier base is there.
Then everyone exports to the UK. All that happens is that we get to pay more for cars.
The only manufacturing left Will be specialist and high value cars where a few more thousand on importing components and export tariffs make no difference.
If that happens then UK consumers won't buy cars made in the EU. UK consumers will buy domestic cars made entirely in the uk or from abroad outside of the EU. As we're leaving the EU and joining the rest of the world outside, cars will be much cheaper from outside of the EU, from countries we strike free trade deals with. Remember that consumer guide list, only one EU car manufacturer made it into the top 10 (Audi). The other 9 car manufacturers in the top 10 of the consumer guide list were from car companies outside of the EU like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, KIA, and Chevrolet. The UK is an attractive rich market of around 65-70 million people to those companies.
No, we will not be buying British cars for British people Centaur.
You haven't got a handle on economies of scale I think.
The UK is not a big enough market to build cars here for this market. It's not economical.
Only Subaru and Kia manufacture outside the EU.
The EU has a trade agreement with Korea and has just signed one with Japan.
Where from the rest of the world were you planning to get these cars from?
Toyota, Honda and Nissan are Japanese companies. Chevrolet is an American car company and there are other American car companies besides Chevrolet.
Centaur, I am really hoping that you are just being facetious and argumentative.
You understand why global car manufacturers are called global? They design and build their products in many different countries. The most appropriate one to the largest market they can sell to. That is not us.
America builds cars for an enormous country with wide straight roads. Ford Europe designs and builds cars for a country like us. As did Vauxhall/Opel for GM.
We also do not have a trade deal with the USA which is incidentally on the far side of a big, wide ocean."A big wide ocean that can easily be crossed with cargo ships packed full of shiny new American cars. | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day.
Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions.
-Matt
You and Easy appear to be living in some kind of alternate universe, where exactly did i say that the Jaguar E-type was the answer to today's problems?
You and Pieces trashed Jaguar/Land Rovers history, so i merely offered an alternative point of view to your negative comments by highlighting the Jaguar E-type. Not for one second did i suggest it should go back into production. You and the likes of Pieces continue to talk Britain down, i prefer to talk Britain and what we have to offer up.
We didn't trash JLR's history. We pointed out that the 'golden age' that many Brexiteers want to take us back to was far from 'golden' in many industries and those industries are doing much better now than they were back there. I would say that globalisation and the ability to source parts from the best suppliers and be able to freely move those parts about, along with Japanese expertise in just-in-time manufacturing and TQM are what has pushed things forward.
Many brexiteer's answers to pretty much everything is 'well, we can just source it/do it/make it/supply it/staff it outselves'. Well yes, good plan. But we have ALWAYS been able to do that. Nothing has stopped us doing that. But you can't hold up single examples (Jag e-type) or single small-scale manufacturers (Triumph) and say they are the sole answer. They just simply do not have the capacity to meet our needs. The same with the people that say 'Two fingers up to the French, we can just make our own wine'... well yes we could, but we'd have d*unk it all by mid-January and then be dry for the rest of the year.
I am not talking Britain down. I am being realistic here. You live in a fantasy land... which is great, enjoy it, but the rest of us in the real world have real concerns that come next year, there just won't be the things in place needed for us to compete globally on our own.
-Matt
More nonsense from remainers again saying we'd have to be self sufficient. No Brexiter is saying we should completely shut up shop and be completely self sufficient. We are leaving the EU and joining the rest if the world again. Imports and exports will continue after Brexit, more so with the wider world outside of the EU. If you think we need to be self sufficient after Brexit it's you who is living in fantasy land. It's yet more scaremongering doom and gloom pessimistic nonsense from people like you and others on this thread, I think the general public and the 52% leave majority are getting pretty sick and tired of it and frankly attitudes like yours just make us more determined to leave on even harder Brexit terms.
You do not actually know anything about the 52% Leave majority as you do not believe in any form of polling. As a consequence, all that you could possibly know are the opinions of those few with whom you are in direct communication.
Try not to be so arrogant as to speak for others. Try.
Any way, if you could see yourself clear to explaining why any automotive manufacturer would wish to build their cars in the UK rather than the EU where most of the supplier and customer base is located I would be grateful.
Unless you had a product which was not at all sensitive to price, meaning: Maclaren, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin or the most expensive JLR products, why would you manufacture on the wrong side of a tariff barrier?
Whenever you're ready
Should tariffs be part of Brexit, then it works both ways.
Automotive manufacturers in the EU that export into the UK, be it components or finished cars, could benefit from moving operations to the UK.
Economies of scale don't work like that.
It makes more sense to move production to the largest local market, which is the EU by several times. Especially as most of the supplier base is there.
Then everyone exports to the UK. All that happens is that we get to pay more for cars.
The only manufacturing left Will be specialist and high value cars where a few more thousand on importing components and export tariffs make no difference.
If that happens then UK consumers won't buy cars made in the EU. UK consumers will buy domestic cars made entirely in the uk or from abroad outside of the EU. As we're leaving the EU and joining the rest of the world outside, cars will be much cheaper from outside of the EU, from countries we strike free trade deals with. Remember that consumer guide list, only one EU car manufacturer made it into the top 10 (Audi). The other 9 car manufacturers in the top 10 of the consumer guide list were from car companies outside of the EU like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, KIA, and Chevrolet. The UK is an attractive rich market of around 65-70 million people to those companies.
No, we will not be buying British cars for British people Centaur.
You haven't got a handle on economies of scale I think.
The UK is not a big enough market to build cars here for this market. It's not economical.
Only Subaru and Kia manufacture outside the EU.
The EU has a trade agreement with Korea and has just signed one with Japan.
Where from the rest of the world were you planning to get these cars from?
Toyota, Honda and Nissan are Japanese companies. Chevrolet is an American car company and there are other American car companies besides Chevrolet.
Centaur, I am really hoping that you are just being facetious and argumentative.
You understand why global car manufacturers are called global? They design and build their products in many different countries. The most appropriate one to the largest market they can sell to. That is not us.
America builds cars for an enormous country with wide straight roads. Ford Europe designs and builds cars for a country like us. As did Vauxhall/Opel for GM.
We also do not have a trade deal with the USA which is incidentally on the far side of a big, wide ocean.
A big wide ocean that can easily be crossed with cargo ships packed full of shiny new American cars. "Oh. You are just being relentlessly mindless again | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day.
Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions.
-Matt
You and Easy appear to be living in some kind of alternate universe, where exactly did i say that the Jaguar E-type was the answer to today's problems?
You and Pieces trashed Jaguar/Land Rovers history, so i merely offered an alternative point of view to your negative comments by highlighting the Jaguar E-type. Not for one second did i suggest it should go back into production. You and the likes of Pieces continue to talk Britain down, i prefer to talk Britain and what we have to offer up.
We didn't trash JLR's history. We pointed out that the 'golden age' that many Brexiteers want to take us back to was far from 'golden' in many industries and those industries are doing much better now than they were back there. I would say that globalisation and the ability to source parts from the best suppliers and be able to freely move those parts about, along with Japanese expertise in just-in-time manufacturing and TQM are what has pushed things forward.
Many brexiteer's answers to pretty much everything is 'well, we can just source it/do it/make it/supply it/staff it outselves'. Well yes, good plan. But we have ALWAYS been able to do that. Nothing has stopped us doing that. But you can't hold up single examples (Jag e-type) or single small-scale manufacturers (Triumph) and say they are the sole answer. They just simply do not have the capacity to meet our needs. The same with the people that say 'Two fingers up to the French, we can just make our own wine'... well yes we could, but we'd have d*unk it all by mid-January and then be dry for the rest of the year.
I am not talking Britain down. I am being realistic here. You live in a fantasy land... which is great, enjoy it, but the rest of us in the real world have real concerns that come next year, there just won't be the things in place needed for us to compete globally on our own.
-Matt
More nonsense from remainers again saying we'd have to be self sufficient. No Brexiter is saying we should completely shut up shop and be completely self sufficient. We are leaving the EU and joining the rest if the world again. Imports and exports will continue after Brexit, more so with the wider world outside of the EU. If you think we need to be self sufficient after Brexit it's you who is living in fantasy land. It's yet more scaremongering doom and gloom pessimistic nonsense from people like you and others on this thread, I think the general public and the 52% leave majority are getting pretty sick and tired of it and frankly attitudes like yours just make us more determined to leave on even harder Brexit terms.
You do not actually know anything about the 52% Leave majority as you do not believe in any form of polling. As a consequence, all that you could possibly know are the opinions of those few with whom you are in direct communication.
Try not to be so arrogant as to speak for others. Try.
Any way, if you could see yourself clear to explaining why any automotive manufacturer would wish to build their cars in the UK rather than the EU where most of the supplier and customer base is located I would be grateful.
Unless you had a product which was not at all sensitive to price, meaning: Maclaren, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin or the most expensive JLR products, why would you manufacture on the wrong side of a tariff barrier?
Whenever you're ready
Should tariffs be part of Brexit, then it works both ways.
Automotive manufacturers in the EU that export into the UK, be it components or finished cars, could benefit from moving operations to the UK.
Economies of scale don't work like that.
It makes more sense to move production to the largest local market, which is the EU by several times. Especially as most of the supplier base is there.
Then everyone exports to the UK. All that happens is that we get to pay more for cars.
The only manufacturing left Will be specialist and high value cars where a few more thousand on importing components and export tariffs make no difference.
If that happens then UK consumers won't buy cars made in the EU. UK consumers will buy domestic cars made entirely in the uk or from abroad outside of the EU. As we're leaving the EU and joining the rest of the world outside, cars will be much cheaper from outside of the EU, from countries we strike free trade deals with. Remember that consumer guide list, only one EU car manufacturer made it into the top 10 (Audi). The other 9 car manufacturers in the top 10 of the consumer guide list were from car companies outside of the EU like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, KIA, and Chevrolet. The UK is an attractive rich market of around 65-70 million people to those companies.
No, we will not be buying British cars for British people Centaur.
You haven't got a handle on economies of scale I think.
The UK is not a big enough market to build cars here for this market. It's not economical.
Only Subaru and Kia manufacture outside the EU.
The EU has a trade agreement with Korea and has just signed one with Japan.
Where from the rest of the world were you planning to get these cars from?
Toyota, Honda and Nissan are Japanese companies. Chevrolet is an American car company and there are other American car companies besides Chevrolet.
Centaur, I am really hoping that you are just being facetious and argumentative.
You understand why global car manufacturers are called global? They design and build their products in many different countries. The most appropriate one to the largest market they can sell to. That is not us.
America builds cars for an enormous country with wide straight roads. Ford Europe designs and builds cars for a country like us. As did Vauxhall/Opel for GM.
We also do not have a trade deal with the USA which is incidentally on the far side of a big, wide ocean.
A big wide ocean that can easily be crossed with cargo ships packed full of shiny new American cars.
Oh. You are just being relentlessly mindless again "No just stating the facts. | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day.
Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions.
-Matt
You and Easy appear to be living in some kind of alternate universe, where exactly did i say that the Jaguar E-type was the answer to today's problems?
You and Pieces trashed Jaguar/Land Rovers history, so i merely offered an alternative point of view to your negative comments by highlighting the Jaguar E-type. Not for one second did i suggest it should go back into production. You and the likes of Pieces continue to talk Britain down, i prefer to talk Britain and what we have to offer up.
We didn't trash JLR's history. We pointed out that the 'golden age' that many Brexiteers want to take us back to was far from 'golden' in many industries and those industries are doing much better now than they were back there. I would say that globalisation and the ability to source parts from the best suppliers and be able to freely move those parts about, along with Japanese expertise in just-in-time manufacturing and TQM are what has pushed things forward.
Many brexiteer's answers to pretty much everything is 'well, we can just source it/do it/make it/supply it/staff it outselves'. Well yes, good plan. But we have ALWAYS been able to do that. Nothing has stopped us doing that. But you can't hold up single examples (Jag e-type) or single small-scale manufacturers (Triumph) and say they are the sole answer. They just simply do not have the capacity to meet our needs. The same with the people that say 'Two fingers up to the French, we can just make our own wine'... well yes we could, but we'd have d*unk it all by mid-January and then be dry for the rest of the year.
I am not talking Britain down. I am being realistic here. You live in a fantasy land... which is great, enjoy it, but the rest of us in the real world have real concerns that come next year, there just won't be the things in place needed for us to compete globally on our own.
-Matt
More nonsense from remainers again saying we'd have to be self sufficient. No Brexiter is saying we should completely shut up shop and be completely self sufficient. We are leaving the EU and joining the rest if the world again. Imports and exports will continue after Brexit, more so with the wider world outside of the EU. If you think we need to be self sufficient after Brexit it's you who is living in fantasy land. It's yet more scaremongering doom and gloom pessimistic nonsense from people like you and others on this thread, I think the general public and the 52% leave majority are getting pretty sick and tired of it and frankly attitudes like yours just make us more determined to leave on even harder Brexit terms.
You do not actually know anything about the 52% Leave majority as you do not believe in any form of polling. As a consequence, all that you could possibly know are the opinions of those few with whom you are in direct communication.
Try not to be so arrogant as to speak for others. Try.
Any way, if you could see yourself clear to explaining why any automotive manufacturer would wish to build their cars in the UK rather than the EU where most of the supplier and customer base is located I would be grateful.
Unless you had a product which was not at all sensitive to price, meaning: Maclaren, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin or the most expensive JLR products, why would you manufacture on the wrong side of a tariff barrier?
Whenever you're ready
Should tariffs be part of Brexit, then it works both ways.
Automotive manufacturers in the EU that export into the UK, be it components or finished cars, could benefit from moving operations to the UK.
Economies of scale don't work like that.
It makes more sense to move production to the largest local market, which is the EU by several times. Especially as most of the supplier base is there.
Then everyone exports to the UK. All that happens is that we get to pay more for cars.
The only manufacturing left Will be specialist and high value cars where a few more thousand on importing components and export tariffs make no difference.
If that happens then UK consumers won't buy cars made in the EU. UK consumers will buy domestic cars made entirely in the uk or from abroad outside of the EU. As we're leaving the EU and joining the rest of the world outside, cars will be much cheaper from outside of the EU, from countries we strike free trade deals with. Remember that consumer guide list, only one EU car manufacturer made it into the top 10 (Audi). The other 9 car manufacturers in the top 10 of the consumer guide list were from car companies outside of the EU like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, KIA, and Chevrolet. The UK is an attractive rich market of around 65-70 million people to those companies.
No, we will not be buying British cars for British people Centaur.
You haven't got a handle on economies of scale I think.
The UK is not a big enough market to build cars here for this market. It's not economical.
Only Subaru and Kia manufacture outside the EU.
The EU has a trade agreement with Korea and has just signed one with Japan.
Where from the rest of the world were you planning to get these cars from?
Toyota, Honda and Nissan are Japanese companies. Chevrolet is an American car company and there are other American car companies besides Chevrolet.
Centaur, I am really hoping that you are just being facetious and argumentative.
You understand why global car manufacturers are called global? They design and build their products in many different countries. The most appropriate one to the largest market they can sell to. That is not us.
America builds cars for an enormous country with wide straight roads. Ford Europe designs and builds cars for a country like us. As did Vauxhall/Opel for GM.
We also do not have a trade deal with the USA which is incidentally on the far side of a big, wide ocean.
A big wide ocean that can easily be crossed with cargo ships packed full of shiny new American cars.
Oh. You are just being relentlessly mindless again
No just stating the facts. "Any trade deal with the USA is currently a fantasy. It is also very expensive to transport cars across an ocean. Do you remember what I wrote about manufacturing as close as possible to your market? They will still probably cost as much as EU manufactured cars with a tariff You are wishing more expensive, cars on the British public. That will translate to everything else we buy from the EU and all of the countries we have a trade deal with. You do understand that right? If that's OK as long as we are not under the yoke of the hated oppressor, then fine, but please have the honesty to say that rather than pretending that there is an economic benefit. | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day.
Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions.
-Matt
You and Easy appear to be living in some kind of alternate universe, where exactly did i say that the Jaguar E-type was the answer to today's problems?
You and Pieces trashed Jaguar/Land Rovers history, so i merely offered an alternative point of view to your negative comments by highlighting the Jaguar E-type. Not for one second did i suggest it should go back into production. You and the likes of Pieces continue to talk Britain down, i prefer to talk Britain and what we have to offer up.
We didn't trash JLR's history. We pointed out that the 'golden age' that many Brexiteers want to take us back to was far from 'golden' in many industries and those industries are doing much better now than they were back there. I would say that globalisation and the ability to source parts from the best suppliers and be able to freely move those parts about, along with Japanese expertise in just-in-time manufacturing and TQM are what has pushed things forward.
Many brexiteer's answers to pretty much everything is 'well, we can just source it/do it/make it/supply it/staff it outselves'. Well yes, good plan. But we have ALWAYS been able to do that. Nothing has stopped us doing that. But you can't hold up single examples (Jag e-type) or single small-scale manufacturers (Triumph) and say they are the sole answer. They just simply do not have the capacity to meet our needs. The same with the people that say 'Two fingers up to the French, we can just make our own wine'... well yes we could, but we'd have d*unk it all by mid-January and then be dry for the rest of the year.
I am not talking Britain down. I am being realistic here. You live in a fantasy land... which is great, enjoy it, but the rest of us in the real world have real concerns that come next year, there just won't be the things in place needed for us to compete globally on our own.
-Matt
More nonsense from remainers again saying we'd have to be self sufficient. No Brexiter is saying we should completely shut up shop and be completely self sufficient. We are leaving the EU and joining the rest if the world again. Imports and exports will continue after Brexit, more so with the wider world outside of the EU. If you think we need to be self sufficient after Brexit it's you who is living in fantasy land. It's yet more scaremongering doom and gloom pessimistic nonsense from people like you and others on this thread, I think the general public and the 52% leave majority are getting pretty sick and tired of it and frankly attitudes like yours just make us more determined to leave on even harder Brexit terms.
You do not actually know anything about the 52% Leave majority as you do not believe in any form of polling. As a consequence, all that you could possibly know are the opinions of those few with whom you are in direct communication.
Try not to be so arrogant as to speak for others. Try.
Any way, if you could see yourself clear to explaining why any automotive manufacturer would wish to build their cars in the UK rather than the EU where most of the supplier and customer base is located I would be grateful.
Unless you had a product which was not at all sensitive to price, meaning: Maclaren, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin or the most expensive JLR products, why would you manufacture on the wrong side of a tariff barrier?
Whenever you're ready
Should tariffs be part of Brexit, then it works both ways.
Automotive manufacturers in the EU that export into the UK, be it components or finished cars, could benefit from moving operations to the UK.
Economies of scale don't work like that.
It makes more sense to move production to the largest local market, which is the EU by several times. Especially as most of the supplier base is there.
Then everyone exports to the UK. All that happens is that we get to pay more for cars.
The only manufacturing left Will be specialist and high value cars where a few more thousand on importing components and export tariffs make no difference.
If that happens then UK consumers won't buy cars made in the EU. UK consumers will buy domestic cars made entirely in the uk or from abroad outside of the EU. As we're leaving the EU and joining the rest of the world outside, cars will be much cheaper from outside of the EU, from countries we strike free trade deals with. Remember that consumer guide list, only one EU car manufacturer made it into the top 10 (Audi). The other 9 car manufacturers in the top 10 of the consumer guide list were from car companies outside of the EU like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, KIA, and Chevrolet. The UK is an attractive rich market of around 65-70 million people to those companies.
No, we will not be buying British cars for British people Centaur.
You haven't got a handle on economies of scale I think.
The UK is not a big enough market to build cars here for this market. It's not economical.
Only Subaru and Kia manufacture outside the EU.
The EU has a trade agreement with Korea and has just signed one with Japan.
Where from the rest of the world were you planning to get these cars from?
Toyota, Honda and Nissan are Japanese companies. Chevrolet is an American car company and there are other American car companies besides Chevrolet.
Centaur, I am really hoping that you are just being facetious and argumentative.
You understand why global car manufacturers are called global? They design and build their products in many different countries. The most appropriate one to the largest market they can sell to. That is not us.
America builds cars for an enormous country with wide straight roads. Ford Europe designs and builds cars for a country like us. As did Vauxhall/Opel for GM.
We also do not have a trade deal with the USA which is incidentally on the far side of a big, wide ocean.
A big wide ocean that can easily be crossed with cargo ships packed full of shiny new American cars.
Oh. You are just being relentlessly mindless again
No just stating the facts.
Any trade deal with the USA is currently a fantasy.
It is also very expensive to transport cars across an ocean. Do you remember what I wrote about manufacturing as close as possible to your market? They will still probably cost as much as EU manufactured cars with a tariff
You are wishing more expensive, cars on the British public. That will translate to everything else we buy from the EU and all of the countries we have a trade deal with.
You do understand that right?
If that's OK as long as we are not under the yoke of the hated oppressor, then fine, but please have the honesty to say that rather than pretending that there is an economic benefit."You're really not thinking this through properly. The potential for a free trade deal with America is there if a full Brexit is delivered out of the EU single market and the customs union. Ford is an American car company that currently supplies the UK market from within the EU. However if we leave the EU and the EU imposes tariffs (the UK doesn't want this and has asked the EU for a free trade deal) then it could backfire on the EU in spectacular fashion. The UK gets a free trade deal with USA and Ford already has factories, supply lines and production plants in the USA, could easily switch production for the UK market from the EU back to America, even more attractive to the likes of Ford now Trump has reduced the tax rates for business. Ford can then produce cars and spare parts for the UK market in USA with cheaper tax rates and ship them to the UK market tariff free under and uk/USA free trade deal. Ford also has factories and production plants in the UK which could be supplied with parts and components from America rather than the EU. I suggest this would actually be the better option for Ford and would reduce the cost of cars for the UK consumer. The EU could potentially be looking at thousands of job losses and seriously needs to start looking at the consequences of it's actions in these upcoming trade negotiations. A leaked document already came out of BMW in Germany saying the erection of tariffs with the UK after Brexit could lead to thousands of job losses for BMW in Germany. | |||
"The UK gets a free trade deal with USA and Ford already has factories, supply lines and production plants in the USA, could easily switch production for the UK market from the EU back to America, even more attractive to the likes of Ford now Trump has reduced the tax rates for business. Ford can then produce cars and spare parts for the UK market in USA with cheaper tax rates and ship them to the UK market tariff free under and uk/USA free trade deal." Oh do fucking grow up! Jesus Christ!! | |||
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"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day.
Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions.
-Matt
You and Easy appear to be living in some kind of alternate universe, where exactly did i say that the Jaguar E-type was the answer to today's problems?
You and Pieces trashed Jaguar/Land Rovers history, so i merely offered an alternative point of view to your negative comments by highlighting the Jaguar E-type. Not for one second did i suggest it should go back into production. You and the likes of Pieces continue to talk Britain down, i prefer to talk Britain and what we have to offer up.
We didn't trash JLR's history. We pointed out that the 'golden age' that many Brexiteers want to take us back to was far from 'golden' in many industries and those industries are doing much better now than they were back there. I would say that globalisation and the ability to source parts from the best suppliers and be able to freely move those parts about, along with Japanese expertise in just-in-time manufacturing and TQM are what has pushed things forward.
Many brexiteer's answers to pretty much everything is 'well, we can just source it/do it/make it/supply it/staff it outselves'. Well yes, good plan. But we have ALWAYS been able to do that. Nothing has stopped us doing that. But you can't hold up single examples (Jag e-type) or single small-scale manufacturers (Triumph) and say they are the sole answer. They just simply do not have the capacity to meet our needs. The same with the people that say 'Two fingers up to the French, we can just make our own wine'... well yes we could, but we'd have d*unk it all by mid-January and then be dry for the rest of the year.
I am not talking Britain down. I am being realistic here. You live in a fantasy land... which is great, enjoy it, but the rest of us in the real world have real concerns that come next year, there just won't be the things in place needed for us to compete globally on our own.
-Matt
More nonsense from remainers again saying we'd have to be self sufficient. No Brexiter is saying we should completely shut up shop and be completely self sufficient. We are leaving the EU and joining the rest if the world again. Imports and exports will continue after Brexit, more so with the wider world outside of the EU. If you think we need to be self sufficient after Brexit it's you who is living in fantasy land. It's yet more scaremongering doom and gloom pessimistic nonsense from people like you and others on this thread, I think the general public and the 52% leave majority are getting pretty sick and tired of it and frankly attitudes like yours just make us more determined to leave on even harder Brexit terms.
You do not actually know anything about the 52% Leave majority as you do not believe in any form of polling. As a consequence, all that you could possibly know are the opinions of those few with whom you are in direct communication.
Try not to be so arrogant as to speak for others. Try.
Any way, if you could see yourself clear to explaining why any automotive manufacturer would wish to build their cars in the UK rather than the EU where most of the supplier and customer base is located I would be grateful.
Unless you had a product which was not at all sensitive to price, meaning: Maclaren, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin or the most expensive JLR products, why would you manufacture on the wrong side of a tariff barrier?
Whenever you're ready
Should tariffs be part of Brexit, then it works both ways.
Automotive manufacturers in the EU that export into the UK, be it components or finished cars, could benefit from moving operations to the UK.
Economies of scale don't work like that.
It makes more sense to move production to the largest local market, which is the EU by several times. Especially as most of the supplier base is there.
Then everyone exports to the UK. All that happens is that we get to pay more for cars.
The only manufacturing left Will be specialist and high value cars where a few more thousand on importing components and export tariffs make no difference.
If that happens then UK consumers won't buy cars made in the EU. UK consumers will buy domestic cars made entirely in the uk or from abroad outside of the EU. As we're leaving the EU and joining the rest of the world outside, cars will be much cheaper from outside of the EU, from countries we strike free trade deals with. Remember that consumer guide list, only one EU car manufacturer made it into the top 10 (Audi). The other 9 car manufacturers in the top 10 of the consumer guide list were from car companies outside of the EU like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, KIA, and Chevrolet. The UK is an attractive rich market of around 65-70 million people to those companies.
No, we will not be buying British cars for British people Centaur.
You haven't got a handle on economies of scale I think.
The UK is not a big enough market to build cars here for this market. It's not economical.
Only Subaru and Kia manufacture outside the EU.
The EU has a trade agreement with Korea and has just signed one with Japan.
Where from the rest of the world were you planning to get these cars from?
Toyota, Honda and Nissan are Japanese companies. Chevrolet is an American car company and there are other American car companies besides Chevrolet.
Centaur, I am really hoping that you are just being facetious and argumentative.
You understand why global car manufacturers are called global? They design and build their products in many different countries. The most appropriate one to the largest market they can sell to. That is not us.
America builds cars for an enormous country with wide straight roads. Ford Europe designs and builds cars for a country like us. As did Vauxhall/Opel for GM.
We also do not have a trade deal with the USA which is incidentally on the far side of a big, wide ocean.
A big wide ocean that can easily be crossed with cargo ships packed full of shiny new American cars.
Oh. You are just being relentlessly mindless again
No just stating the facts.
Any trade deal with the USA is currently a fantasy.
It is also very expensive to transport cars across an ocean. Do you remember what I wrote about manufacturing as close as possible to your market? They will still probably cost as much as EU manufactured cars with a tariff
You are wishing more expensive, cars on the British public. That will translate to everything else we buy from the EU and all of the countries we have a trade deal with.
You do understand that right?
If that's OK as long as we are not under the yoke of the hated oppressor, then fine, but please have the honesty to say that rather than pretending that there is an economic benefit.
You're really not thinking this through properly. The potential for a free trade deal with America is there if a full Brexit is delivered out of the EU single market and the customs union. Ford is an American car company that currently supplies the UK market from within the EU. However if we leave the EU and the EU imposes tariffs (the UK doesn't want this and has asked the EU for a free trade deal) then it could backfire on the EU in spectacular fashion. The UK gets a free trade deal with USA and Ford already has factories, supply lines and production plants in the USA, could easily switch production for the UK market from the EU back to America, even more attractive to the likes of Ford now Trump has reduced the tax rates for business. Ford can then produce cars and spare parts for the UK market in USA with cheaper tax rates and ship them to the UK market tariff free under and uk/USA free trade deal. Ford also has factories and production plants in the UK which could be supplied with parts and components from America rather than the EU. I suggest this would actually be the better option for Ford and would reduce the cost of cars for the UK consumer. The EU could potentially be looking at thousands of job losses and seriously needs to start looking at the consequences of it's actions in these upcoming trade negotiations. A leaked document already came out of BMW in Germany saying the erection of tariffs with the UK after Brexit could lead to thousands of job losses for BMW in Germany. "The "potential" for a free trade deal is there with absolutely any country. There is no evidence to suggest that there will be any free trade deal with anyone. The UK asking to not have tariffs doesn't mean that there won't be tariffs. Ford cannot "easily switch production" from the EU to the US. What do you base this on? Ford does not sell to only the UK. They are not going to shut their production plants there to move it to the US to supply us. They are not going to substitute production of vehicles being manufactured in the US for their own market to build cars for us. There is a cost to transporting vehicles across the Atlantic ocean. Just saying that you "believe" that cars to the UK consumer will be reduced is nonsense isn't it? You just made that up. Ford does not build any vehicles in the UK. In fact the engines and transmission that they currently build go to European factories. There's no logic to keeping them here if a tariff barrier exists. Why would you want to pay tax on your own parts? The same will apply to Airbus wings. Do you understand what economies of scale are? Automotive manufacturers will build their entire production of one or two specific models for a region in one factory. That is the most efficient thing to do. Any markets outside this region will get their cars from this factory across whatever tariff barrier exists. It's not worth their while to do otherwise. I am not as delighted as you are that your theory leads to more investment and jobs in the US. Is your plan for us to only have US cars? Where do they come in the JD Power ratings? European built cars will be more expensive. Korean cars (EU trade deal) will be more expensive. Japanese car companies will logically move to Europe. Why stay on the wrong small side of a tariff barrier? Nissan is grouped with Renault. If they move production, there's little logic to keeping their engineering centre here. Vauxhall/Opel is now owned by Peugeot. The document outlining automotive job losses in the EU was not leaked. It was published. Unlike the UK sector analyses. What was not included in the report is the EU calculation is that production will be switched out of the UK. Heroic attempt to bend reality to your prejudice though. | |||
"But, hey, Trabant did OK in Germany. -Matt our trabby is still going strong ... which is more than can be said for the pile of shite metro heap that we used to drive to berlin in the first place ... west midlanders hang your heads in shame
Jaguar/Land rover headquarters/main factory are in the west midlands, maybe if you'd thought more about your poor choice of car and got a Jaguar or Land Rover instead of a Metro you wouldn't have had any problems.
The historical context of my comment went completely over your head, didn’t it?
-Matt
clearly .... an 80's land rover would have left a 900 mile trail of fallen off parts behind it ... basically leaving a rolling chassis with some seats partly bolted to it and a steering column ... pile of fucking shite
And Jags were renown for their electrical prowess too. What was the joke? One way to keep one on the road was to have a spare or something.
-Matt
Jaguar E-type, one of the most highly desired sports cars all over the world in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and right up to the present day.
Hahahaha.... do you need a torch? You seem so far up your arse you appear lost. Your solution to all of this is the Jag e-type? As beautiful as that car is, it was hardly something within reach of many. What would it have cost in today’s money? £40k? And considering there wasn’t the auto loans market there is now, that put it well out of reach of most. Back on planet Earth we have to try and find actual realistic solutions.
-Matt
You and Easy appear to be living in some kind of alternate universe, where exactly did i say that the Jaguar E-type was the answer to today's problems?
You and Pieces trashed Jaguar/Land Rovers history, so i merely offered an alternative point of view to your negative comments by highlighting the Jaguar E-type. Not for one second did i suggest it should go back into production. You and the likes of Pieces continue to talk Britain down, i prefer to talk Britain and what we have to offer up.
We didn't trash JLR's history. We pointed out that the 'golden age' that many Brexiteers want to take us back to was far from 'golden' in many industries and those industries are doing much better now than they were back there. I would say that globalisation and the ability to source parts from the best suppliers and be able to freely move those parts about, along with Japanese expertise in just-in-time manufacturing and TQM are what has pushed things forward.
Many brexiteer's answers to pretty much everything is 'well, we can just source it/do it/make it/supply it/staff it outselves'. Well yes, good plan. But we have ALWAYS been able to do that. Nothing has stopped us doing that. But you can't hold up single examples (Jag e-type) or single small-scale manufacturers (Triumph) and say they are the sole answer. They just simply do not have the capacity to meet our needs. The same with the people that say 'Two fingers up to the French, we can just make our own wine'... well yes we could, but we'd have d*unk it all by mid-January and then be dry for the rest of the year.
I am not talking Britain down. I am being realistic here. You live in a fantasy land... which is great, enjoy it, but the rest of us in the real world have real concerns that come next year, there just won't be the things in place needed for us to compete globally on our own.
-Matt
More nonsense from remainers again saying we'd have to be self sufficient. No Brexiter is saying we should completely shut up shop and be completely self sufficient. We are leaving the EU and joining the rest if the world again. Imports and exports will continue after Brexit, more so with the wider world outside of the EU. If you think we need to be self sufficient after Brexit it's you who is living in fantasy land. It's yet more scaremongering doom and gloom pessimistic nonsense from people like you and others on this thread, I think the general public and the 52% leave majority are getting pretty sick and tired of it and frankly attitudes like yours just make us more determined to leave on even harder Brexit terms.
You do not actually know anything about the 52% Leave majority as you do not believe in any form of polling. As a consequence, all that you could possibly know are the opinions of those few with whom you are in direct communication.
Try not to be so arrogant as to speak for others. Try.
Any way, if you could see yourself clear to explaining why any automotive manufacturer would wish to build their cars in the UK rather than the EU where most of the supplier and customer base is located I would be grateful.
Unless you had a product which was not at all sensitive to price, meaning: Maclaren, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin or the most expensive JLR products, why would you manufacture on the wrong side of a tariff barrier?
Whenever you're ready
Should tariffs be part of Brexit, then it works both ways.
Automotive manufacturers in the EU that export into the UK, be it components or finished cars, could benefit from moving operations to the UK.
Economies of scale don't work like that.
It makes more sense to move production to the largest local market, which is the EU by several times. Especially as most of the supplier base is there.
Then everyone exports to the UK. All that happens is that we get to pay more for cars.
The only manufacturing left Will be specialist and high value cars where a few more thousand on importing components and export tariffs make no difference.
If that happens then UK consumers won't buy cars made in the EU. UK consumers will buy domestic cars made entirely in the uk or from abroad outside of the EU. As we're leaving the EU and joining the rest of the world outside, cars will be much cheaper from outside of the EU, from countries we strike free trade deals with. Remember that consumer guide list, only one EU car manufacturer made it into the top 10 (Audi). The other 9 car manufacturers in the top 10 of the consumer guide list were from car companies outside of the EU like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, KIA, and Chevrolet. The UK is an attractive rich market of around 65-70 million people to those companies.
No, we will not be buying British cars for British people Centaur.
You haven't got a handle on economies of scale I think.
The UK is not a big enough market to build cars here for this market. It's not economical.
Only Subaru and Kia manufacture outside the EU.
The EU has a trade agreement with Korea and has just signed one with Japan.
Where from the rest of the world were you planning to get these cars from?
Toyota, Honda and Nissan are Japanese companies. Chevrolet is an American car company and there are other American car companies besides Chevrolet.
Centaur, I am really hoping that you are just being facetious and argumentative.
You understand why global car manufacturers are called global? They design and build their products in many different countries. The most appropriate one to the largest market they can sell to. That is not us.
America builds cars for an enormous country with wide straight roads. Ford Europe designs and builds cars for a country like us. As did Vauxhall/Opel for GM.
We also do not have a trade deal with the USA which is incidentally on the far side of a big, wide ocean.
A big wide ocean that can easily be crossed with cargo ships packed full of shiny new American cars.
Oh. You are just being relentlessly mindless again
No just stating the facts.
Any trade deal with the USA is currently a fantasy.
It is also very expensive to transport cars across an ocean. Do you remember what I wrote about manufacturing as close as possible to your market? They will still probably cost as much as EU manufactured cars with a tariff
You are wishing more expensive, cars on the British public. That will translate to everything else we buy from the EU and all of the countries we have a trade deal with.
You do understand that right?
If that's OK as long as we are not under the yoke of the hated oppressor, then fine, but please have the honesty to say that rather than pretending that there is an economic benefit.
You're really not thinking this through properly. The potential for a free trade deal with America is there if a full Brexit is delivered out of the EU single market and the customs union. Ford is an American car company that currently supplies the UK market from within the EU. However if we leave the EU and the EU imposes tariffs (the UK doesn't want this and has asked the EU for a free trade deal) then it could backfire on the EU in spectacular fashion. The UK gets a free trade deal with USA and Ford already has factories, supply lines and production plants in the USA, could easily switch production for the UK market from the EU back to America, even more attractive to the likes of Ford now Trump has reduced the tax rates for business. Ford can then produce cars and spare parts for the UK market in USA with cheaper tax rates and ship them to the UK market tariff free under and uk/USA free trade deal. Ford also has factories and production plants in the UK which could be supplied with parts and components from America rather than the EU. I suggest this would actually be the better option for Ford and would reduce the cost of cars for the UK consumer. The EU could potentially be looking at thousands of job losses and seriously needs to start looking at the consequences of it's actions in these upcoming trade negotiations. A leaked document already came out of BMW in Germany saying the erection of tariffs with the UK after Brexit could lead to thousands of job losses for BMW in Germany.
The "potential" for a free trade deal is there with absolutely any country.
There is no evidence to suggest that there will be any free trade deal with anyone.
The UK asking to not have tariffs doesn't mean that there won't be tariffs.
Ford cannot "easily switch production" from the EU to the US. What do you base this on? Ford does not sell to only the UK. They are not going to shut their production plants there to move it to the US to supply us. They are not going to substitute production of vehicles being manufactured in the US for their own market to build cars for us.
There is a cost to transporting vehicles across the Atlantic ocean.
Just saying that you "believe" that cars to the UK consumer will be reduced is nonsense isn't it? You just made that up.
Ford does not build any vehicles in the UK. In fact the engines and transmission that they currently build go to European factories. There's no logic to keeping them here if a tariff barrier exists. Why would you want to pay tax on your own parts? The same will apply to Airbus wings.
Do you understand what economies of scale are? Automotive manufacturers will build their entire production of one or two specific models for a region in one factory. That is the most efficient thing to do. Any markets outside this region will get their cars from this factory across whatever tariff barrier exists. It's not worth their while to do otherwise.
I am not as delighted as you are that your theory leads to more investment and jobs in the US. Is your plan for us to only have US cars? Where do they come in the JD Power ratings? European built cars will be more expensive. Korean cars (EU trade deal) will be more expensive. Japanese car companies will logically move to Europe. Why stay on the wrong small side of a tariff barrier? Nissan is grouped with Renault. If they move production, there's little logic to keeping their engineering centre here. Vauxhall/Opel is now owned by Peugeot.
The document outlining automotive job losses in the EU was not leaked. It was published. Unlike the UK sector analyses.
What was not included in the report is the EU calculation is that production will be switched out of the UK.
Heroic attempt to bend reality to your prejudice though."Fair bit of prejudice going on there in your own post it has to to be said. This is not a zero sum game where the likes of Ford have to choose either 100% EU or 100% America, to coin a phrase relevant to Brexit Ford can have its cake and eat it because they are a global company, they will carry on supplying the EU market from within the EU, they can supply the rest of the world outside from Production plants in America. As we'll be outside of the EU they can supply the UK market from America where they already have supply lines, production plants and factories up and running. Trumps improved tax rates for business have already started luring American companies to move some production back to America. You ask why would Ford move production out of the EU, but they actually already have precedence for doing this. Ford used to have a Ford Transit production facility in Southampton but moved it out of Britain and the EU to Turkey (Turkey are not in the EU). For someone who claims to be so knowledgeable you should have already known this as it was touched upon many times during the referendum campaign. Remainers claim that being in the EU keeps jobs here in Britain, but being in the EU didn't keep those Ford jobs here and Ford moved those jobs out of the EU into Turkey. Don't attempt to blame this on Brexit either as this happened long before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. | |||
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"There is a meeting now with may who is convincing the japanese over brexit, as they have cars and other products here they develop, it will cost more than 13%, will it be worth it? I dont thinks so "Toyota Hilux is worth it at any price, best performing 4x4 you can buy. Worth every penny | |||
" The "potential" for a free trade deal is there with absolutely any country. There is no evidence to suggest that there will be any free trade deal with anyone. The UK asking to not have tariffs doesn't mean that there won't be tariffs. Ford cannot "easily switch production" from the EU to the US. What do you base this on? Ford does not sell to only the UK. They are not going to shut their production plants there to move it to the US to supply us. They are not going to substitute production of vehicles being manufactured in the US for their own market to build cars for us. There is a cost to transporting vehicles across the Atlantic ocean. Just saying that you "believe" that cars to the UK consumer will be reduced is nonsense isn't it? You just made that up. Ford does not build any vehicles in the UK. In fact the engines and transmission that they currently build go to European factories. There's no logic to keeping them here if a tariff barrier exists. Why would you want to pay tax on your own parts? The same will apply to Airbus wings. Do you understand what economies of scale are? Automotive manufacturers will build their entire production of one or two specific models for a region in one factory. That is the most efficient thing to do. Any markets outside this region will get their cars from this factory across whatever tariff barrier exists. It's not worth their while to do otherwise. I am not as delighted as you are that your theory leads to more investment and jobs in the US. Is your plan for us to only have US cars? Where do they come in the JD Power ratings? European built cars will be more expensive. Korean cars (EU trade deal) will be more expensive. Japanese car companies will logically move to Europe. Why stay on the wrong small side of a tariff barrier? Nissan is grouped with Renault. If they move production, there's little logic to keeping their engineering centre here. Vauxhall/Opel is now owned by Peugeot. The document outlining automotive job losses in the EU was not leaked. It was published. Unlike the UK sector analyses. What was not included in the report is the EU calculation is that production will be switched out of the UK. Heroic attempt to bend reality to your prejudice though. Fair bit of prejudice going on there in your own post it has to to be said. This is not a zero sum game where the likes of Ford have to choose either 100% EU or 100% America, to coin a phrase relevant to Brexit Ford can have its cake and eat it because they are a global company, they will carry on supplying the EU market from within the EU, they can supply the rest of the world outside from Production plants in America. As we'll be outside of the EU they can supply the UK market from America where they already have supply lines, production plants and factories up and running. Trumps improved tax rates for business have already started luring American companies to move some production back to America. You ask why would Ford move production out of the EU, but they actually already have precedence for doing this. Ford used to have a Ford Transit production facility in Southampton but moved it out of Britain and the EU to Turkey (Turkey are not in the EU). For someone who claims to be so knowledgeable you should have already known this as it was touched upon many times during the referendum campaign. Remainers claim that being in the EU keeps jobs here in Britain, but being in the EU didn't keep those Ford jobs here and Ford moved those jobs out of the EU into Turkey. Don't attempt to blame this on Brexit either as this happened long before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. " You are completely unable to take information in. Turkey has a free trade agreement with the EU. As far as manufacturing is concerned it's the same as being inside. South Korea also does and Japan will. We will lose that. They will continue to manufacture European spec cars in the EU zone and export through a tariff barrier to do so. That is what the economics dictates. Do you understand that? There is no trade deal with the USA. Do you understand that? The Ford Mustang is imported to the UK. Some Cadillacs. Very low volume, very high cost/margin. Do you understand that? It will cost as much to build and transport a car across the Atlantic as it does to build in Europe and pay a tariff. Do you understand that? Cars will cost more in the UK and there may also be less choice. Do you understand that? | |||
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"Toyota have just announced that the next generation Auris will be built in the UK, at their Burnaston facility They have also pledged to build a larger number of engines at their Deeside facility. Good news for Derbyshire and Flintshire." Very. This only runs for the current model cycle to about 2020. They are assuming a comprehensive trade deal. Fingers crossed that's what happens and they don't have to reconsider for the new model. | |||
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"If they leave may be a good thing we can get back to producing our own cars What car do you drive? " Good point | |||
"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production." Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt. | |||
"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production. Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt." Are you saying that remaining in the EU would mean, Nissan Leaf would be built in Britain? Jaguar I-pace would be built in Britain? Electric Mini would be fully built in Britain? And we would be the 'Engine Room' for EU electric design and manufacturing? | |||
"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production. Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt." The I Pace is being built in Austria because JLR have no current UK capacity. Initial production runs are for about 13000 a year. | |||
"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production. Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt. Are you saying that remaining in the EU would mean, Nissan Leaf would be built in Britain? Jaguar I-pace would be built in Britain? Electric Mini would be fully built in Britain? And we would be the 'Engine Room' for EU electric design and manufacturing?" Sadly the opposite. Investment will be in what is by far the larger market. That will also be the case for the I-Pace. Remember that JLR is building a brand new plant in Slovakia. That isn't a huge step in logic. We are at a tipping point. If we leave the customs union the arithmetic is likely to lead potential leadership in this huge field going elsewhere. | |||
"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production. Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt. Are you saying that remaining in the EU would mean, Nissan Leaf would be built in Britain? Jaguar I-pace would be built in Britain? Electric Mini would be fully built in Britain? And we would be the 'Engine Room' for EU electric design and manufacturing? Sadly the opposite. Investment will be in what is by far the larger market. That will also be the case for the I-Pace. Remember that JLR is building a brand new plant in Slovakia. That isn't a huge step in logic. We are at a tipping point. If we leave the customs union the arithmetic is likely to lead potential leadership in this huge field going elsewhere. " So even if we were in the EU in the future, the companies /manufacturing you quote wouldn't be here anyway? | |||
"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production. Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt. Are you saying that remaining in the EU would mean, Nissan Leaf would be built in Britain? Jaguar I-pace would be built in Britain? Electric Mini would be fully built in Britain? And we would be the 'Engine Room' for EU electric design and manufacturing? Sadly the opposite. Investment will be in what is by far the larger market. That will also be the case for the I-Pace. Remember that JLR is building a brand new plant in Slovakia. That isn't a huge step in logic. We are at a tipping point. If we leave the customs union the arithmetic is likely to lead potential leadership in this huge field going elsewhere. So even if we were in the EU in the future, the companies /manufacturing you quote wouldn't be here anyway?" No. I'm not saying that at all. If we remain in the Single market/customs union then things carry on as now and can stretch a marginal advantage to a leadership role in battery electric vehicle manufacture for the region. Possibly internationally. If we put ourselves outside this market then there is no logic in investing here rather than the much bigger EU zone. The technology is relatively young and we have no overwhelming advantage yet. Over time companies will invest in new products and development there rather than here. I don't think that I've suggested anything else. Apologies if I haven't been clear. | |||
"There is a meeting now with may who is convincing the japanese over brexit, as they have cars and other products here they develop, it will cost more than 13%, will it be worth it? I dont thinks so "Pal all that pumping at the gym is diverting blood from your brain,who cares what you think about brexit,or the shingles example of the Japanese economy with their ongoing 'stagnation' problems,boring! | |||
"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production. Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt. The I Pace is being built in Austria because JLR have no current UK capacity. Initial production runs are for about 13000 a year. " I live in the Midlands and just watched the Midlands today local news broadcast on the BBC in which they did a report on Jaguar and the I-Pace. The I-Pace may be assembled in Austria but was completely designed here in the Midlands at Jaguar headquarters in Birmingham. Also many of the component parts for the I-Pace are made and supplied by British companies. One Midlands company on the news report said they have a contract to supply parts for the production of the I-Pace for the next 7 years. | |||
"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production. Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt. The I Pace is being built in Austria because JLR have no current UK capacity. Initial production runs are for about 13000 a year. I live in the Midlands and just watched the Midlands today local news broadcast on the BBC in which they did a report on Jaguar and the I-Pace. The I-Pace may be assembled in Austria but was completely designed here in the Midlands at Jaguar headquarters in Birmingham. Also many of the component parts for the I-Pace are made and supplied by British companies. One Midlands company on the news report said they have a contract to supply parts for the production of the I-Pace for the next 7 years. " All correct. It should be pointed out that JLR do not have a factory in Austria, and are using the automotive sub-contractor Magna Steyr, as they have insufficient capacity (at present) in the UK. | |||
"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production. Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt. The I Pace is being built in Austria because JLR have no current UK capacity. Initial production runs are for about 13000 a year. I live in the Midlands and just watched the Midlands today local news broadcast on the BBC in which they did a report on Jaguar and the I-Pace. The I-Pace may be assembled in Austria but was completely designed here in the Midlands at Jaguar headquarters in Birmingham. Also many of the component parts for the I-Pace are made and supplied by British companies. One Midlands company on the news report said they have a contract to supply parts for the production of the I-Pace for the next 7 years. All correct. It should be pointed out that JLR do not have a factory in Austria, and are using the automotive sub-contractor Magna Steyr, as they have insufficient capacity (at present) in the UK." And wasn't it set up in Austria with grants from the EU? | |||
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"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production. Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt. The I Pace is being built in Austria because JLR have no current UK capacity. Initial production runs are for about 13000 a year. I live in the Midlands and just watched the Midlands today local news broadcast on the BBC in which they did a report on Jaguar and the I-Pace. The I-Pace may be assembled in Austria but was completely designed here in the Midlands at Jaguar headquarters in Birmingham. Also many of the component parts for the I-Pace are made and supplied by British companies. One Midlands company on the news report said they have a contract to supply parts for the production of the I-Pace for the next 7 years. All correct. It should be pointed out that JLR do not have a factory in Austria, and are using the automotive sub-contractor Magna Steyr, as they have insufficient capacity (at present) in the UK." It's business. There is no reason for them to do anything that does not make economic sense. Why do you think that one seven year contract signifies anything about the location of future production? Are they building a new factory in the UK? | |||
"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production. Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt. The I Pace is being built in Austria because JLR have no current UK capacity. Initial production runs are for about 13000 a year. I live in the Midlands and just watched the Midlands today local news broadcast on the BBC in which they did a report on Jaguar and the I-Pace. The I-Pace may be assembled in Austria but was completely designed here in the Midlands at Jaguar headquarters in Birmingham. Also many of the component parts for the I-Pace are made and supplied by British companies. One Midlands company on the news report said they have a contract to supply parts for the production of the I-Pace for the next 7 years. All correct. It should be pointed out that JLR do not have a factory in Austria, and are using the automotive sub-contractor Magna Steyr, as they have insufficient capacity (at present) in the UK. It's business. There is no reason for them to do anything that does not make economic sense. Why do you think that one seven year contract signifies anything about the location of future production? Are they building a new factory in the UK?" Given the current adverse climate regarding petrol and diesel cars, do you think there will be a market for Evoques etc as we approach the 2030s? Automotive cycles rarely last a decade. It's always a race to get the "new" product out and stop ahead of the competition. | |||
"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production. Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt. The I Pace is being built in Austria because JLR have no current UK capacity. Initial production runs are for about 13000 a year. I live in the Midlands and just watched the Midlands today local news broadcast on the BBC in which they did a report on Jaguar and the I-Pace. The I-Pace may be assembled in Austria but was completely designed here in the Midlands at Jaguar headquarters in Birmingham. Also many of the component parts for the I-Pace are made and supplied by British companies. One Midlands company on the news report said they have a contract to supply parts for the production of the I-Pace for the next 7 years. All correct. It should be pointed out that JLR do not have a factory in Austria, and are using the automotive sub-contractor Magna Steyr, as they have insufficient capacity (at present) in the UK. It's business. There is no reason for them to do anything that does not make economic sense. Why do you think that one seven year contract signifies anything about the location of future production? Are they building a new factory in the UK?" But that has nothing to do with Brexit. ......way before the referendum they were considering Austria and Turkey for new factories. | |||
"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production. Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt. The I Pace is being built in Austria because JLR have no current UK capacity. Initial production runs are for about 13000 a year. I live in the Midlands and just watched the Midlands today local news broadcast on the BBC in which they did a report on Jaguar and the I-Pace. The I-Pace may be assembled in Austria but was completely designed here in the Midlands at Jaguar headquarters in Birmingham. Also many of the component parts for the I-Pace are made and supplied by British companies. One Midlands company on the news report said they have a contract to supply parts for the production of the I-Pace for the next 7 years. All correct. It should be pointed out that JLR do not have a factory in Austria, and are using the automotive sub-contractor Magna Steyr, as they have insufficient capacity (at present) in the UK. It's business. There is no reason for them to do anything that does not make economic sense. Why do you think that one seven year contract signifies anything about the location of future production? Are they building a new factory in the UK? But that has nothing to do with Brexit. ......way before the referendum they were considering Austria and Turkey for new factories. " Because the economics dictates that those locations were cheaper even then. If there is a barrier to trade between the EU and the UK does that make it more or less likely that future investment will be outside the UK? Hopefully(!) there will be a trade deal. The automotive industry is one of the more likely to get a specific deal. However, that won't happen just because we ask for it or demand it. All of this crap didn't need to happen and the outcome of all of the stress and crap will not be a UK any better than today. | |||
"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production. Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt. The I Pace is being built in Austria because JLR have no current UK capacity. Initial production runs are for about 13000 a year. I live in the Midlands and just watched the Midlands today local news broadcast on the BBC in which they did a report on Jaguar and the I-Pace. The I-Pace may be assembled in Austria but was completely designed here in the Midlands at Jaguar headquarters in Birmingham. Also many of the component parts for the I-Pace are made and supplied by British companies. One Midlands company on the news report said they have a contract to supply parts for the production of the I-Pace for the next 7 years. All correct. It should be pointed out that JLR do not have a factory in Austria, and are using the automotive sub-contractor Magna Steyr, as they have insufficient capacity (at present) in the UK. It's business. There is no reason for them to do anything that does not make economic sense. Why do you think that one seven year contract signifies anything about the location of future production? Are they building a new factory in the UK? Given the current adverse climate regarding petrol and diesel cars, do you think there will be a market for Evoques etc as we approach the 2030s? Automotive cycles rarely last a decade. It's always a race to get the "new" product out and stop ahead of the competition. " There's always a spike in "off-road" car sales after weather like this. Land Rover should do well out of it. JLR will be electrifying every product over the next few years. Apparently joining the "conspiracy" being propagated on another thread
Lots of money in power generation and infrastructure to be made. | |||
"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production. Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt. The I Pace is being built in Austria because JLR have no current UK capacity. Initial production runs are for about 13000 a year. I live in the Midlands and just watched the Midlands today local news broadcast on the BBC in which they did a report on Jaguar and the I-Pace. The I-Pace may be assembled in Austria but was completely designed here in the Midlands at Jaguar headquarters in Birmingham. Also many of the component parts for the I-Pace are made and supplied by British companies. One Midlands company on the news report said they have a contract to supply parts for the production of the I-Pace for the next 7 years. All correct. It should be pointed out that JLR do not have a factory in Austria, and are using the automotive sub-contractor Magna Steyr, as they have insufficient capacity (at present) in the UK. It's business. There is no reason for them to do anything that does not make economic sense. Why do you think that one seven year contract signifies anything about the location of future production? Are they building a new factory in the UK? Given the current adverse climate regarding petrol and diesel cars, do you think there will be a market for Evoques etc as we approach the 2030s? Automotive cycles rarely last a decade. It's always a race to get the "new" product out and stop ahead of the competition. There's always a spike in "off-road" car sales after weather like this. Land Rover should do well out of it. JLR will be electrifying every product over the next few years. Apparently joining the "conspiracy" being propagated on another thread
Lots of money in power generation and infrastructure to be made."Indeed. Their hybrid/diesel suv should be launched next year. The automotive sector faces big challenges into the next decade. Somehow I feel that they will be able to produce efficient electric cars way before the infrastructure is in place, and that's more of a worry | |||
"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production. Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt. The I Pace is being built in Austria because JLR have no current UK capacity. Initial production runs are for about 13000 a year. I live in the Midlands and just watched the Midlands today local news broadcast on the BBC in which they did a report on Jaguar and the I-Pace. The I-Pace may be assembled in Austria but was completely designed here in the Midlands at Jaguar headquarters in Birmingham. Also many of the component parts for the I-Pace are made and supplied by British companies. One Midlands company on the news report said they have a contract to supply parts for the production of the I-Pace for the next 7 years. All correct. It should be pointed out that JLR do not have a factory in Austria, and are using the automotive sub-contractor Magna Steyr, as they have insufficient capacity (at present) in the UK. It's business. There is no reason for them to do anything that does not make economic sense. Why do you think that one seven year contract signifies anything about the location of future production? Are they building a new factory in the UK? Given the current adverse climate regarding petrol and diesel cars, do you think there will be a market for Evoques etc as we approach the 2030s? Automotive cycles rarely last a decade. It's always a race to get the "new" product out and stop ahead of the competition. There's always a spike in "off-road" car sales after weather like this. Land Rover should do well out of it. JLR will be electrifying every product over the next few years. Apparently joining the "conspiracy" being propagated on another thread
Lots of money in power generation and infrastructure to be made.
Indeed. Their hybrid/diesel suv should be launched next year.
The automotive sector faces big challenges into the next decade. Somehow I feel that they will be able to produce efficient electric cars way before the infrastructure is in place, and that's more of a worry"Retrofitting lamp posts is the only quick fix for providing charging. Prepare for plug rage! Generating power is a bigger concern. Interestingly, Japanese firms have been slow to the market on battery electric vehicles. | |||
"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production. Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt. The I Pace is being built in Austria because JLR have no current UK capacity. Initial production runs are for about 13000 a year. I live in the Midlands and just watched the Midlands today local news broadcast on the BBC in which they did a report on Jaguar and the I-Pace. The I-Pace may be assembled in Austria but was completely designed here in the Midlands at Jaguar headquarters in Birmingham. Also many of the component parts for the I-Pace are made and supplied by British companies. One Midlands company on the news report said they have a contract to supply parts for the production of the I-Pace for the next 7 years. All correct. It should be pointed out that JLR do not have a factory in Austria, and are using the automotive sub-contractor Magna Steyr, as they have insufficient capacity (at present) in the UK. It's business. There is no reason for them to do anything that does not make economic sense. Why do you think that one seven year contract signifies anything about the location of future production? Are they building a new factory in the UK? Given the current adverse climate regarding petrol and diesel cars, do you think there will be a market for Evoques etc as we approach the 2030s? Automotive cycles rarely last a decade. It's always a race to get the "new" product out and stop ahead of the competition. There's always a spike in "off-road" car sales after weather like this. Land Rover should do well out of it. JLR will be electrifying every product over the next few years. Apparently joining the "conspiracy" being propagated on another thread
Lots of money in power generation and infrastructure to be made.
Indeed. Their hybrid/diesel suv should be launched next year.
The automotive sector faces big challenges into the next decade. Somehow I feel that they will be able to produce efficient electric cars way before the infrastructure is in place, and that's more of a worry
Retrofitting lamp posts is the only quick fix for providing charging.
Prepare for plug rage!
Generating power is a bigger concern.
Interestingly, Japanese firms have been slow to the market on battery electric vehicles."yeh, electric vehicles in this weather, pure waste of time. cold seriously drains batteries. . If you want to get around easily in snow conditions only one car . The Amazing Toyota Hilux the car in front, and the Hilux is the one that will tow you out a snow drift | |||
"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production. Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt. The I Pace is being built in Austria because JLR have no current UK capacity. Initial production runs are for about 13000 a year. I live in the Midlands and just watched the Midlands today local news broadcast on the BBC in which they did a report on Jaguar and the I-Pace. The I-Pace may be assembled in Austria but was completely designed here in the Midlands at Jaguar headquarters in Birmingham. Also many of the component parts for the I-Pace are made and supplied by British companies. One Midlands company on the news report said they have a contract to supply parts for the production of the I-Pace for the next 7 years. All correct. It should be pointed out that JLR do not have a factory in Austria, and are using the automotive sub-contractor Magna Steyr, as they have insufficient capacity (at present) in the UK. It's business. There is no reason for them to do anything that does not make economic sense. Why do you think that one seven year contract signifies anything about the location of future production? Are they building a new factory in the UK? Given the current adverse climate regarding petrol and diesel cars, do you think there will be a market for Evoques etc as we approach the 2030s? Automotive cycles rarely last a decade. It's always a race to get the "new" product out and stop ahead of the competition. There's always a spike in "off-road" car sales after weather like this. Land Rover should do well out of it. JLR will be electrifying every product over the next few years. Apparently joining the "conspiracy" being propagated on another thread
Lots of money in power generation and infrastructure to be made.
Indeed. Their hybrid/diesel suv should be launched next year.
The automotive sector faces big challenges into the next decade. Somehow I feel that they will be able to produce efficient electric cars way before the infrastructure is in place, and that's more of a worry
Retrofitting lamp posts is the only quick fix for providing charging.
Prepare for plug rage!
Generating power is a bigger concern.
Interestingly, Japanese firms have been slow to the market on battery electric vehicles.
yeh, electric vehicles in this weather, pure waste of time. cold seriously drains batteries.
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If you want to get around easily in snow conditions only one car
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The Amazing Toyota Hilux
the car in front, and the Hilux is the one that will tow you out a snow drift"Yeah great. And for the other 364 days of the year? Why optimise for the worst case scenario? It may make perfect sense for you and your hillbilly friends to go roaming your estate and shooting at things. But that doesn't mean it is the right answer for the other 99.999% of society. -Matt | |||
"Dyson now looking to recruit another 300 engineers to work on his electric car project. Given the recent High Court ruling on clean air, and the rulings in Germany this week, there is now a serious race on, to get a practical and affordable electric car into production. Yes. Unfortunately UK Nissan Leaf production will be brought into question. The Jaguar I-Pace is being built in Austria. The electric Mini is only being assembled in the UK. We could have been solidly UN the driving seat for the future. It's now in unnecessary doubt. The I Pace is being built in Austria because JLR have no current UK capacity. Initial production runs are for about 13000 a year. I live in the Midlands and just watched the Midlands today local news broadcast on the BBC in which they did a report on Jaguar and the I-Pace. The I-Pace may be assembled in Austria but was completely designed here in the Midlands at Jaguar headquarters in Birmingham. Also many of the component parts for the I-Pace are made and supplied by British companies. One Midlands company on the news report said they have a contract to supply parts for the production of the I-Pace for the next 7 years. All correct. It should be pointed out that JLR do not have a factory in Austria, and are using the automotive sub-contractor Magna Steyr, as they have insufficient capacity (at present) in the UK. It's business. There is no reason for them to do anything that does not make economic sense. Why do you think that one seven year contract signifies anything about the location of future production? Are they building a new factory in the UK? Given the current adverse climate regarding petrol and diesel cars, do you think there will be a market for Evoques etc as we approach the 2030s? Automotive cycles rarely last a decade. It's always a race to get the "new" product out and stop ahead of the competition. There's always a spike in "off-road" car sales after weather like this. Land Rover should do well out of it. JLR will be electrifying every product over the next few years. Apparently joining the "conspiracy" being propagated on another thread
Lots of money in power generation and infrastructure to be made.
Indeed. Their hybrid/diesel suv should be launched next year.
The automotive sector faces big challenges into the next decade. Somehow I feel that they will be able to produce efficient electric cars way before the infrastructure is in place, and that's more of a worry
Retrofitting lamp posts is the only quick fix for providing charging.
Prepare for plug rage!
Generating power is a bigger concern.
Interestingly, Japanese firms have been slow to the market on battery electric vehicles.
yeh, electric vehicles in this weather, pure waste of time. cold seriously drains batteries.
.
If you want to get around easily in snow conditions only one car
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The Amazing Toyota Hilux
the car in front, and the Hilux is the one that will tow you out a snow drift"You're a simple soul aren't you? What has this to do with the thread? | |||
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"Not entirely related but worth noting that Siemens plans a £200million train building factory at Goole. 700 jobs, with another 500ish in the supply chain. Welcome news in this very depressed area. Maybe they see initial announcements of getting rid of all diesel trains, as potential to commit to this investment. " Unambiguously good news, but only for domestic trains. Investment levels will be dependent on future UK contracts (for which read leverage on the government) or staying in the single market. | |||
"Not entirely related but worth noting that Siemens plans a £200million train building factory at Goole. 700 jobs, with another 500ish in the supply chain. Welcome news in this very depressed area. Maybe they see initial announcements of getting rid of all diesel trains, as potential to commit to this investment. " Funny the Brits invented steam trains and the world copies us. Then Europe went electric and have been electric for decades. We went diesel and moving towards electric decades behind Europe - why? | |||
"Not entirely related but worth noting that Siemens plans a £200million train building factory at Goole. 700 jobs, with another 500ish in the supply chain. Welcome news in this very depressed area. Maybe they see initial announcements of getting rid of all diesel trains, as potential to commit to this investment. Unambiguously good news, but only for domestic trains. Investment levels will be dependent on future UK contracts (for which read leverage on the government) or staying in the single market." We're not staying in the single market. Theresa May's speech made that crystal clear today. It was also in the conservative party manifesto at the general election to leave the Single market. | |||
"Not entirely related but worth noting that Siemens plans a £200million train building factory at Goole. 700 jobs, with another 500ish in the supply chain. Welcome news in this very depressed area. Maybe they see initial announcements of getting rid of all diesel trains, as potential to commit to this investment. Unambiguously good news, but only for domestic trains. Investment levels will be dependent on future UK contracts (for which read leverage on the government) or staying in the single market. We're not staying in the single market. Theresa May's speech made that crystal clear today. It was also in the conservative party manifesto at the general election to leave the Single market. " How will "a" common market be different? If we aren't having one of those either then that will limit investment from both Siemens and foreign automotive companies. Transfer of production to the EU. Yay  | |||
"Not entirely related but worth noting that Siemens plans a £200million train building factory at Goole. 700 jobs, with another 500ish in the supply chain. Welcome news in this very depressed area. Maybe they see initial announcements of getting rid of all diesel trains, as potential to commit to this investment. Unambiguously good news, but only for domestic trains. Investment levels will be dependent on future UK contracts (for which read leverage on the government) or staying in the single market. We're not staying in the single market. Theresa May's speech made that crystal clear today. It was also in the conservative party manifesto at the general election to leave the Single market. How will "a" common market be different? If we aren't having one of those either then that will limit investment from both Siemens and foreign automotive companies. Transfer of production to the EU. Yay "Staying in the single market means accepting free movement of people, so that's simply not an option if we want to end free movement. Staying in the customs union means not being able to sign your own trade deals, so staying in the customs union is not an option if we want to do our own trade deals elsewhere. As for transfer of production to the EU, that just doesn't stack up, staying in the EU doesn't guarantee companies will stay or invest here. Ford moved jobs, investment and production from Southampton over to Turkey (outside of the EU). | |||
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"And Seat make more cars in South America than they do in Europe....! Car manufacturers are multi national....they go for anywhere that production/labour are cheap....." Actually that's just business. Dyson has his products made abroad for profit. If he was a true patriot he wouldn't have stopped production in the UK. He would have supported the Wiltshire workforce and been a true British entrepreneur instead he's just a greedy bastard like everyone else in manufacturing! | |||
"And Seat make more cars in South America than they do in Europe....! Car manufacturers are multi national....they go for anywhere that production/labour are cheap....." Seat don't transport those cars back to Europe. They are for that continent. | |||
"Not entirely related but worth noting that Siemens plans a £200million train building factory at Goole. 700 jobs, with another 500ish in the supply chain. Welcome news in this very depressed area. Maybe they see initial announcements of getting rid of all diesel trains, as potential to commit to this investment. Unambiguously good news, but only for domestic trains. Investment levels will be dependent on future UK contracts (for which read leverage on the government) or staying in the single market. We're not staying in the single market. Theresa May's speech made that crystal clear today. It was also in the conservative party manifesto at the general election to leave the Single market. How will "a" common market be different? If we aren't having one of those either then that will limit investment from both Siemens and foreign automotive companies. Transfer of production to the EU. Yay
Staying in the single market means accepting free movement of people, so that's simply not an option if we want to end free movement. Staying in the customs union means not being able to sign your own trade deals, so staying in the customs union is not an option if we want to do our own trade deals elsewhere.
As for transfer of production to the EU, that just doesn't stack up, staying in the EU doesn't guarantee companies will stay or invest here. Ford moved jobs, investment and production from Southampton over to Turkey (outside of the EU). ""Controlling" immigration is your preference, but as we've failed to control non EU immigration for decades I don't really understand what will change except that we won't control all of it. You are right, there are no guarantees of where employment will go. We've somehow managed to retain quite a lot of the high end stuff. However, kust as a simple yes no. If the EU is a significantly bigger market than the UK and there is a tariff barrier in between, where would you choose to locate your factory or future investment? Do you think that signing one trade deal will have an effect on your next negotiation? | |||
"Not entirely related but worth noting that Siemens plans a £200million train building factory at Goole. 700 jobs, with another 500ish in the supply chain. Welcome news in this very depressed area. Maybe they see initial announcements of getting rid of all diesel trains, as potential to commit to this investment. Funny the Brits invented steam trains and the world copies us. Then Europe went electric and have been electric for decades. We went diesel and moving towards electric decades behind Europe - why?" You do know the first electric train was developed by the UK in 1837? | |||
"And Seat make more cars in South America than they do in Europe....! Car manufacturers are multi national....they go for anywhere that production/labour are cheap....." They match market up with production costs. The UK is an expensive place to manufacture cars, as is Germany, America and Japan That's why Korea, Thailand, Mexico and Slovakia are now world centres for automotive. | |||
"And Seat make more cars in South America than they do in Europe....! Car manufacturers are multi national....they go for anywhere that production/labour are cheap..... They match market up with production costs. The UK is an expensive place to manufacture cars, as is Germany, America and Japan That's why Korea, Thailand, Mexico and Slovakia are now world centres for automotive." Aka modern day slavery - But legitimised? | |||
"And Seat make more cars in South America than they do in Europe....! Car manufacturers are multi national....they go for anywhere that production/labour are cheap..... They match market up with production costs. The UK is an expensive place to manufacture cars, as is Germany, America and Japan That's why Korea, Thailand, Mexico and Slovakia are now world centres for automotive. Aka modern day slavery - But legitimised?" Slovakia automotive wages are about a third of Germany and France. | |||
"And Seat make more cars in South America than they do in Europe....! Car manufacturers are multi national....they go for anywhere that production/labour are cheap..... They match market up with production costs. The UK is an expensive place to manufacture cars, as is Germany, America and Japan That's why Korea, Thailand, Mexico and Slovakia are now world centres for automotive. Aka modern day slavery - But legitimised? Slovakia automotive wages are about a third of Germany and France. " They are secure and good relative to the cost of living in Slovakia, Korea and China. They don't have worse lives relative to an equivalent worker there. | |||
"And Seat make more cars in South America than they do in Europe....! Car manufacturers are multi national....they go for anywhere that production/labour are cheap..... They match market up with production costs. The UK is an expensive place to manufacture cars, as is Germany, America and Japan That's why Korea, Thailand, Mexico and Slovakia are now world centres for automotive. Aka modern day slavery - But legitimised? Slovakia automotive wages are about a third of Germany and France. They are secure and good relative to the cost of living in Slovakia, Korea and China. They don't have worse lives relative to an equivalent worker there." Ikea recently were in trouble about exploiting the differences in pay on the EU. They contracted a logistics company who in turn hired SK drivers. Because the SK drivers were working predominantly in more expensive EU countries the drivers should have been paid the local wage - 3 guesses what he was paid? SK wage of around 450€ pm as opposed to 1500€. | |||
"And Seat make more cars in South America than they do in Europe....! Car manufacturers are multi national....they go for anywhere that production/labour are cheap..... They match market up with production costs. The UK is an expensive place to manufacture cars, as is Germany, America and Japan That's why Korea, Thailand, Mexico and Slovakia are now world centres for automotive. Aka modern day slavery - But legitimised? Slovakia automotive wages are about a third of Germany and France. They are secure and good relative to the cost of living in Slovakia, Korea and China. They don't have worse lives relative to an equivalent worker there. Ikea recently were in trouble about exploiting the differences in pay on the EU. They contracted a logistics company who in turn hired SK drivers. Because the SK drivers were working predominantly in more expensive EU countries the drivers should have been paid the local wage - 3 guesses what he was paid? SK wage of around 450€ pm as opposed to 1500€. " That implies that there is a law in place to prevent this which was broken. The law was enforced. Sounds like that was the correct outcome. All these laws aka "red tape" are in place to protect workers from this sort of exploitation. Luckily we can soon get rid of all of that  | |||
