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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago
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Agreement seems to have been reached and Mrs Merkel can form her "grand coalition" Goverment.
One consequence of this, is the official opposition party will be the far-right Alternative For Germany (AfD) party. As official opposition, this will allow them a certain amount of influence, through committee work etc.
Disturbing, or should Germany go back to the polls? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Agreement seems to have been reached and Mrs Merkel can form her "grand coalition" Goverment.
One consequence of this, is the official opposition party will be the far-right Alternative For Germany (AfD) party. As official opposition, this will allow them a certain amount of influence, through committee work etc.
Disturbing, or should Germany go back to the polls? "
yes it is disturbing... but it means that 85% will be on one side can shut out the other 15
also.. it took them the best part of 5 months to get to this point.... and grand coalition means they have to keep policies centre-ish..... |
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over a year ago
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It is healthy with a opposition and they should go back to the polls, cos many dont like her open border policy, hence why parties such as afd gains popularity. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Agreement seems to have been reached and Mrs Merkel can form her "grand coalition" Goverment.
One consequence of this, is the official opposition party will be the far-right Alternative For Germany (AfD) party. As official opposition, this will allow them a certain amount of influence, through committee work etc.
Disturbing, or should Germany go back to the polls?
yes it is disturbing... but it means that 85% will be on one side can shut out the other 15
also.. it took them the best part of 5 months to get to this point.... and grand coalition means they have to keep policies centre-ish....."
centre-ish? the CDU were the right of centre .... the coalition will push germany further to right .... dark days indeed |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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centre-ish? the CDU were the right of centre .... the coalition will push germany further to right .... dark days indeed"
the CDU may be centre-right, but there partners in coalition are the SPD, who are centre-left, and the SPD will be in charge of the finance, labour and foreign ministries as part of this deal..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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centre-ish? the CDU were the right of centre .... the coalition will push germany further to right .... dark days indeed
the CDU may be centre-right, but there partners in coalition are the SPD, who are centre-left, and the SPD will be in charge of the finance, labour and foreign ministries as part of this deal....."
... and so will be unable to influence domestic policy .... merkel has what she always wanted which is a free hand at forcing religious conservatism onto the population .... but having to sell her arse to the dangerous lunatic extremist fringe is a mistake |
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"Agreement seems to have been reached and Mrs Merkel can form her "grand coalition" Goverment.
One consequence of this, is the official opposition party will be the far-right Alternative For Germany (AfD) party. As official opposition, this will allow them a certain amount of influence, through committee work etc.
Disturbing, or should Germany go back to the polls?
yes it is disturbing... but it means that 85% will be on one side can shut out the other 15
also.. it took them the best part of 5 months to get to this point.... and grand coalition means they have to keep policies centre-ish.....
centre-ish? the CDU were the right of centre .... the coalition will push germany further to right .... dark days indeed"
Dark Days for who |
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It's a stepping stone but to what uncertainty? It's a mixed country - my German friend and his Spanish wife were frequently denied accommodation and services in Germany, the deep seated feelings and divisions are pervasive and strong.
I think its democracy will need to struggle on some more, though at least their economy is stronger than the UK'S, which helps support morale there somewhat |
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"Agreement seems to have been reached and Mrs Merkel can form her "grand coalition" Goverment.
One consequence of this, is the official opposition party will be the far-right Alternative For Germany (AfD) party. As official opposition, this will allow them a certain amount of influence, through committee work etc.
Disturbing, or should Germany go back to the polls? "
I'm just wondering what concessions Martin Shultz has managed to squeeze out of Merkel for agreeing to the coalition? Martin Shultz is a former EU Commissioner and former President of the European Parliament, he is Europhile to the bone and recently said he wanted the EU to develop into a Federal United States of Europe. He may have Merkel over a barrel in forcing her to take Germany deeper into EU integration, which in turn will only fuel support for the opposition AFD. |
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"Agreement seems to have been reached and Mrs Merkel can form her "grand coalition" Goverment.
One consequence of this, is the official opposition party will be the far-right Alternative For Germany (AfD) party. As official opposition, this will allow them a certain amount of influence, through committee work etc.
Disturbing, or should Germany go back to the polls?
I'm just wondering what concessions Martin Shultz has managed to squeeze out of Merkel for agreeing to the coalition? Martin Shultz is a former EU Commissioner and former President of the European Parliament, he is Europhile to the bone and recently said he wanted the EU to develop into a Federal United States of Europe. He may have Merkel over a barrel in forcing her to take Germany deeper into EU integration, which in turn will only fuel support for the opposition AFD. "
As an extreme right a good result for you! Just wait until the rest of Europe's far right gradually take power - Polish, Hungarians, Dutch,Czechs, Italian and German nutters take control we can have a good old scrap - Just like old times. |
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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago
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"Agreement seems to have been reached and Mrs Merkel can form her "grand coalition" Goverment.
One consequence of this, is the official opposition party will be the far-right Alternative For Germany (AfD) party. As official opposition, this will allow them a certain amount of influence, through committee work etc.
Disturbing, or should Germany go back to the polls?
I'm just wondering what concessions Martin Shultz has managed to squeeze out of Merkel for agreeing to the coalition? Martin Shultz is a former EU Commissioner and former President of the European Parliament, he is Europhile to the bone and recently said he wanted the EU to develop into a Federal United States of Europe. He may have Merkel over a barrel in forcing her to take Germany deeper into EU integration, which in turn will only fuel support for the opposition AFD.
As an extreme right a good result for you! Just wait until the rest of Europe's far right gradually take power - Polish, Hungarians, Dutch,Czechs, Italian and German nutters take control we can have a good old scrap - Just like old times."
The far right Freedom party is already in Goverment in Austria. |
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"Agreement seems to have been reached and Mrs Merkel can form her "grand coalition" Goverment.
One consequence of this, is the official opposition party will be the far-right Alternative For Germany (AfD) party. As official opposition, this will allow them a certain amount of influence, through committee work etc.
Disturbing, or should Germany go back to the polls?
I'm just wondering what concessions Martin Shultz has managed to squeeze out of Merkel for agreeing to the coalition? Martin Shultz is a former EU Commissioner and former President of the European Parliament, he is Europhile to the bone and recently said he wanted the EU to develop into a Federal United States of Europe. He may have Merkel over a barrel in forcing her to take Germany deeper into EU integration, which in turn will only fuel support for the opposition AFD.
As an extreme right a good result for you! Just wait until the rest of Europe's far right gradually take power - Polish, Hungarians, Dutch,Czechs, Italian and German nutters take control we can have a good old scrap - Just like old times.
The far right Freedom party is already in Goverment in Austria."
Exactly, so is the PiS party in Poland and also in Hungary and also in Czech republic. It's started and if it continues there will be trouble ahead. Until you lose something you never really appreciate it. |
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"Agreement seems to have been reached and Mrs Merkel can form her "grand coalition" Goverment.
One consequence of this, is the official opposition party will be the far-right Alternative For Germany (AfD) party. As official opposition, this will allow them a certain amount of influence, through committee work etc.
Disturbing, or should Germany go back to the polls?
I'm just wondering what concessions Martin Shultz has managed to squeeze out of Merkel for agreeing to the coalition? Martin Shultz is a former EU Commissioner and former President of the European Parliament, he is Europhile to the bone and recently said he wanted the EU to develop into a Federal United States of Europe. He may have Merkel over a barrel in forcing her to take Germany deeper into EU integration, which in turn will only fuel support for the opposition AFD.
As an extreme right a good result for you! Just wait until the rest of Europe's far right gradually take power - Polish, Hungarians, Dutch,Czechs, Italian and German nutters take control we can have a good old scrap - Just like old times.
The far right Freedom party is already in Goverment in Austria.
Exactly, so is the PiS party in Poland and also in Hungary and also in Czech republic. It's started and if it continues there will be trouble ahead. Until you lose something you never really appreciate it."
I'd say it's because of a direct result of EU policies, like free movement of people and it's 'ever closer union' mantra bollocks. The EU is not listening and it's certainly not learning from its mistakes. |
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Post the brexit vote some on here were predicting far right government in France, Netherlands and Germany which has not hapoened..
People may want change but putting the fascists on power is rightly too much for the decent majorities in those countries.. |
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"Agreement seems to have been reached and Mrs Merkel can form her "grand coalition" Goverment.
One consequence of this, is the official opposition party will be the far-right Alternative For Germany (AfD) party. As official opposition, this will allow them a certain amount of influence, through committee work etc.
Disturbing, or should Germany go back to the polls?
I'm just wondering what concessions Martin Shultz has managed to squeeze out of Merkel for agreeing to the coalition? Martin Shultz is a former EU Commissioner and former President of the European Parliament, he is Europhile to the bone and recently said he wanted the EU to develop into a Federal United States of Europe. He may have Merkel over a barrel in forcing her to take Germany deeper into EU integration, which in turn will only fuel support for the opposition AFD.
As an extreme right a good result for you! Just wait until the rest of Europe's far right gradually take power - Polish, Hungarians, Dutch,Czechs, Italian and German nutters take control we can have a good old scrap - Just like old times.
The far right Freedom party is already in Goverment in Austria."
Well I predict the AFD will be making more big gains in coming elections in Germany. It's transpired that one of the concessions Martin Shultz has got from Merkel is to let in a lot more migrants. There has already been a kick back against increased migration with the gains AFD made in the last election, increasing migration will only lead to a bigger kick back from the German population next time. |
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"you said that about the kipturds and they are disintergrated into irrelevance as i predicted "
Only after they achieved their goal, which is to leave the EU, and we are now in the process of leaving the EU. Maybe in 5, 10 or 15 years time when the AFD win a referendum on German membership of the EU and the German people vote leave, then the AFD will start to decline. |
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bollocks..... you persistantly predicted massive gains for the kipturds and that they would become the opposition in the last election with hundreds of seats .... they have never ever won a parliamentary seat .... you've only ever made one prediction that ever came to fruition |
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"bollocks..... you persistantly predicted massive gains for the kipturds and that they would become the opposition in the last election with hundreds of seats .... they have never ever won a parliamentary seat .... you've only ever made one prediction that ever came to fruition "
Your memory is truly shocking. I actually tactically voted Conservative in the last general election last year and encouraged others to do so, the posts are all public on here for people to see. Ukip have also won 2 parliamentary seats in the past. Douglas Carswell won a parliamentary seat for ukip twice in Clacton, first in a by election when he defected from the tories and again for a 2nd time in the 2015 general election. Mark Reckless also won a parliamentary seat for ukip in a Rochester and Strood by election.
I predicted leave would win the EU referendum, I predicted Donald Trump would win the USA Presidential election and I predicted the tories would win the general election last year (they were the largest party), so clearly I've predicted more than one thing correctly. |
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"bollocks..... you persistantly predicted massive gains for the kipturds and that they would become the opposition in the last election with hundreds of seats .... they have never ever won a parliamentary seat .... you've only ever made one prediction that ever came to fruition
Your memory is truly shocking. I actually tactically voted Conservative in the last general election last year and encouraged others to do so, the posts are all public on here for people to see. Ukip have also won 2 parliamentary seats in the past. Douglas Carswell won a parliamentary seat for ukip twice in Clacton, first in a by election when he defected from the tories and again for a 2nd time in the 2015 general election. Mark Reckless also won a parliamentary seat for ukip in a Rochester and Strood by election.
I predicted leave would win the EU referendum, I predicted Donald Trump would win the USA Presidential election and I predicted the tories would win the general election last year (they were the largest party), so clearly I've predicted more than one thing correctly. "
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Hot off the press (well the radio actually) here in Germany.
It seems like the wheels are coming off Martin Schultz's career.
He negotiated the grand coalition with Merkel and now he will take no part in it.
He had his heart set on being foreign minister but the largest branch of his own party have forced him to stand by the statement he made (that he would never ever work with Merkel) during the election campaign last year.
Now his enemies in his own party (and he has quite a few) have twisted the knife.
Couldn't happen to a nicer chap PMSL. |
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"Hot off the press (well the radio actually) here in Germany.
It seems like the wheels are coming off Martin Schultz's career.
He negotiated the grand coalition with Merkel and now he will take no part in it.
He had his heart set on being foreign minister but the largest branch of his own party have forced him to stand by the statement he made (that he would never ever work with Merkel) during the election campaign last year.
Now his enemies in his own party (and he has quite a few) have twisted the knife.
Couldn't happen to a nicer chap PMSL. "
This just made my day.  |
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