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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

At least five migrants have been shot in the French port city of Calais, after a mass brawl between Afghans and Eritreans.

Four Eritrean youths aged 16-18 are in a critical condition and have been rushed to a local hospital for surgery, AFP news agency reports.

A fifth man was taken to nearby Lille due to the severity of his injuries.

At least 13 more people were wounded due to "blows from iron bars", the local prosecutor's office said.

French Interior Minister Gérard Collomb visited Calais overnight and said the clashes had been exceptionally serious. One of the most seriously wounded was said to have been hit by a bullet in the back of the neck.

"There's been an escalation of violence that has become unbearable for both the people of Calais and the migrants," the minister said.

The initial fight, which lasted almost two hours, broke out on the city's southern outskirts where migrants had been queuing for food handouts. Around 100 Eritreans and some 30 Afghans were caught up in the violence.

It started when an Afghan fired shots, AFP said.

A second melee then erupted at an industrial site around 5km (three miles) away.

"Police intervened to protect the Afghan migrants faced with 150 to 200 Eritrean migrants," the local prefecture said.

French security forces have been sent to the area.

This is the worst violence between migrants in Calais for months, and the use of firearms is a worrying escalation of the tensions, the BBC's Hugh Schofield in Paris reports.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Rivers of blood grandpa...

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Rivers of blood grandpa... "

only you said that.

perhaps you should welcome them to your home

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

And the government want to build a road bridge

Yeah great idea

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And the government want to build a road bridge

Yeah great idea"

Not the Government TF.

The Muppet that is Boris Johnson.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central

The fab politics forum users send their love to Calais.

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By *entaur_UKMan  over a year ago

Cannock


"Rivers of blood grandpa...

only you said that.

perhaps you should welcome them to your home"

I think this story highlights exactly why we should keep these people out of the UK.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple  over a year ago

canterbury

I send my love to all the French people in Calais....im sure they have had enough..xx

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

So much for open border policies..... Shenghen and all that....

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire

In other news..

here in the UK the number of assaults in 2016-16 on NHS staff was 70,555..

that's reported assaults, think that's about 193 ish per day every day..

any views on that OP..?

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS  over a year ago

Burton on Trent


"Rivers of blood grandpa...

only you said that.

perhaps you should welcome them to your home

I think this story highlights exactly why we should keep these people out of the UK. "

No, quite the opposite. If they had been allowed over they wouldn't have been cooped up together in all conditions to create whichever tension caused this.

I hardly think Afghans and Eritreans are natural enemies, animosity was caused by the situation they were in.

And Cask, well done for using the most ridiculous argument that all right wingers resort to when they run out of ideas.

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


"Rivers of blood grandpa...

only you said that.

perhaps you should welcome them to your home

I think this story highlights exactly why we should keep these people out of the UK.

No, quite the opposite. If they had been allowed over they wouldn't have been cooped up together in all conditions to create whichever tension caused this.

I hardly think Afghans and Eritreans are natural enemies, animosity was caused by the situation they were in.

And Cask, well done for using the most ridiculous argument that all right wingers resort to when they run out of ideas. "

This shows what happens when you stop treating people like human beings. The OP has previously suggested feeding immigrants to sharks, so that tells you all you need to know about his humanity, or lack there of.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Just as well Britain isn't taking its border back - keeping it in Calais so it's the French who have the problems! Can you imagine Dover having to cope with this. Cheap only £39m to keep it in Calais.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Rivers of blood grandpa...

only you said that.

perhaps you should welcome them to your home

I think this story highlights exactly why we should keep these people out of the UK.

No, quite the opposite. If they had been allowed over they wouldn't have been cooped up together in all conditions to create whichever tension caused this.

I hardly think Afghans and Eritreans are natural enemies, animosity was caused by the situation they were in.

And Cask, well done for using the most ridiculous argument that all right wingers resort to when they run out of ideas. "

Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS  over a year ago

Burton on Trent


"Rivers of blood grandpa...

only you said that.

perhaps you should welcome them to your home

I think this story highlights exactly why we should keep these people out of the UK.

No, quite the opposite. If they had been allowed over they wouldn't have been cooped up together in all conditions to create whichever tension caused this.

I hardly think Afghans and Eritreans are natural enemies, animosity was caused by the situation they were in.

And Cask, well done for using the most ridiculous argument that all right wingers resort to when they run out of ideas. Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??"

Well it's a device used to fire metal pellets at high velocity through an explosive reaction. Hope that helps.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan  over a year ago

London


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??"

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Rivers of blood grandpa...

only you said that.

perhaps you should welcome them to your home

I think this story highlights exactly why we should keep these people out of the UK.

No, quite the opposite. If they had been allowed over they wouldn't have been cooped up together in all conditions to create whichever tension caused this.

I hardly think Afghans and Eritreans are natural enemies, animosity was caused by the situation they were in.

And Cask, well done for using the most ridiculous argument that all right wingers resort to when they run out of ideas. Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Well it's a device used to fire metal pellets at high velocity through an explosive reaction. Hope that helps. "

Was expecting that . My fault for way I worded it

However you reply with that as your argument to defend some of this particular group as no substance. So the use of weapons now whilst seeking asylum what does this say???

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? "

My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? "

Obviously we should only admit immigrants from countries that don’t have bad people or prisons.

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question. "

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do?"

I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?"

IMAGINE....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE...."

It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

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By *oxychick35Couple  over a year ago

thornaby


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do?"

we have ppl

Like that in the uk who don't have a job a house family and friends there called the homeless he had money for a gun but not food ? Just hope he never makes it across to the uk

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?"

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand.

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

Racism isn't exclusive to whites. Plenty of examples of racial hatred all over the world. This sounds like more.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand."

Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Racism isn't exclusive to whites. Plenty of examples of racial hatred all over the world. This sounds like more."
How's it racist? Fact a gun has been fired out side of a war zone. You condone this?

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

it reads like one ethnic group battling another ethnic group. Unless I've read this wrongly.

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS  over a year ago

Burton on Trent

I never said it was right the person had a gun. But I'm not speculating where they got it. There are trafficking gangs operating in France and it could have been one of them that supplied it or used it.

But part of the process of being admitted to this country would have been a scan and search. So it/they wouldn't have got through.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"it reads like one ethnic group battling another ethnic group. Unless I've read this wrongly."
Yes. Thought you meant the bloke with gun. Yes tension running deep. But the gun is a major concern.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I never said it was right the person had a gun. But I'm not speculating where they got it. There are trafficking gangs operating in France and it could have been one of them that supplied it or used it.

But part of the process of being admitted to this country would have been a scan and search. So it/they wouldn't have got through. "

Your 1 st sentence you say you not speculating. Then the 2 nd you do re: the traffickers supplying the gun. Oh dear.

So scan n search they have nothing g fine. But this person who had and shot 5 people ditched the gun. So he's clear to be processed. Oh my word.

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By *hybloke67Man  over a year ago

ROMFORD

Within the EU people are supposed to apply to the first safe country they arrive in.

If this is so why are they in Calais?

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up . "

Where did I say it was ok?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? "

Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

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By *ercuryMan  over a year ago

Grantham


"Within the EU people are supposed to apply to the first safe country they arrive in.

If this is so why are they in Calais?"

The Dublin Regulation allows for deportation of migrants to the country of entry into the EU.

Once in the EU, a migrant can only make one application for asylum, hence their journey westwards towards the most affluent countries. If they apply in Greece or Italy, then they cannot apply again in France or the UK.

The Dublin Regulation is an EU law but has been heavily criticised by many refugee and aid organisations.

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean. "

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues."

Understand what that they need a gun outside of a war zone??? And prepared to use it??? Oh dear !!!

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS  over a year ago

Burton on Trent


"I never said it was right the person had a gun. But I'm not speculating where they got it. There are trafficking gangs operating in France and it could have been one of them that supplied it or used it.

But part of the process of being admitted to this country would have been a scan and search. So it/they wouldn't have got through. Your 1 st sentence you say you not speculating. Then the 2 nd you do re: the traffickers supplying the gun. Oh dear.

So scan n search they have nothing g fine. But this person who had and shot 5 people ditched the gun. So he's clear to be processed. Oh my word. "

Ok, so I was speculating. I shall stick to my original point. That circumstance of being cooped up like animals probably brought this about, rather than a habitually violent criminal trying to get into the country.

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.Understand what that they need a gun outside of a war zone??? And prepared to use it??? Oh dear !!! "

I see you are still struggling to understand!

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.Understand what that they need a gun outside of a war zone??? And prepared to use it??? Oh dear !!! "

I see you are still struggling to understand!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire

I don't condone gun use, its such a joy to live in a country where thankfully there are no illegally held fire arms by scrotes, wrong uns and general ne'er do wells..

Huzzah..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues."

.

I understand there not refugees

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.Understand what that they need a gun outside of a war zone??? And prepared to use it??? Oh dear !!!

I see you are still struggling to understand! "

I understand fully at Calais a gun has been fired. And it's a major concern.

And the fact you are condoning/ understand it is also a major concern!!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I never said it was right the person had a gun. But I'm not speculating where they got it. There are trafficking gangs operating in France and it could have been one of them that supplied it or used it.

But part of the process of being admitted to this country would have been a scan and search. So it/they wouldn't have got through. Your 1 st sentence you say you not speculating. Then the 2 nd you do re: the traffickers supplying the gun. Oh dear.

So scan n search they have nothing g fine. But this person who had and shot 5 people ditched the gun. So he's clear to be processed. Oh my word.

Ok, so I was speculating. I shall stick to my original point. That circumstance of being cooped up like animals probably brought this about, rather than a habitually violent criminal trying to get into the country. "

.. There's no fence holding them in those conditions though

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.Understand what that they need a gun outside of a war zone??? And prepared to use it??? Oh dear !!!

I see you are still struggling to understand! I understand fully at Calais a gun has been fired. And it's a major concern.

And the fact you are condoning/ understand it is also a major concern!!! "

do you understand why there are kids carrying knives now, and why the kids in some parts of the country are using them with fatal consequences?

understanding something is simply not condoning it, its illogical beyond common sense to make that leap..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I never said it was right the person had a gun. But I'm not speculating where they got it. There are trafficking gangs operating in France and it could have been one of them that supplied it or used it.

But part of the process of being admitted to this country would have been a scan and search. So it/they wouldn't have got through. Your 1 st sentence you say you not speculating. Then the 2 nd you do re: the traffickers supplying the gun. Oh dear.

So scan n search they have nothing g fine. But this person who had and shot 5 people ditched the gun. So he's clear to be processed. Oh my word.

Ok, so I was speculating. I shall stick to my original point. That circumstance of being cooped up like animals probably brought this about, rather than a habitually violent criminal trying to get into the country. "

Even if they unfortunately where to have been cooped up which. Sour ING a gun denotes otherwise how can firing a gun out side of a war zone be ok . You and CLCC beggar belief on this 1

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I never said it was right the person had a gun. But I'm not speculating where they got it. There are trafficking gangs operating in France and it could have been one of them that supplied it or used it.

But part of the process of being admitted to this country would have been a scan and search. So it/they wouldn't have got through. Your 1 st sentence you say you not speculating. Then the 2 nd you do re: the traffickers supplying the gun. Oh dear.

So scan n search they have nothing g fine. But this person who had and shot 5 people ditched the gun. So he's clear to be processed. Oh my word.

Ok, so I was speculating. I shall stick to my original point. That circumstance of being cooped up like animals probably brought this about, rather than a habitually violent criminal trying to get into the country. Even if they unfortunately where to have been cooped up which. Sour ING a gun denotes otherwise how can firing a gun out side of a war zone be ok . You and CLCC beggar belief on this 1"

* sourcing

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.Understand what that they need a gun outside of a war zone??? And prepared to use it??? Oh dear !!!

I see you are still struggling to understand! I understand fully at Calais a gun has been fired. And it's a major concern.

And the fact you are condoning/ understand it is also a major concern!!!

do you understand why there are kids carrying knives now, and why the kids in some parts of the country are using them with fatal consequences?

understanding something is simply not condoning it, its illogical beyond common sense to make that leap..

"

As I have had to say to another person on this thread. Deal with the thread question. And my point is the gun at Calais is a major concern. It cannot be condoned. No leap requires I suggest you stand still and deal with thread question. Wriggle wriggle

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


"I never said it was right the person had a gun. But I'm not speculating where they got it. There are trafficking gangs operating in France and it could have been one of them that supplied it or used it.

But part of the process of being admitted to this country would have been a scan and search. So it/they wouldn't have got through. Your 1 st sentence you say you not speculating. Then the 2 nd you do re: the traffickers supplying the gun. Oh dear.

So scan n search they have nothing g fine. But this person who had and shot 5 people ditched the gun. So he's clear to be processed. Oh my word.

Ok, so I was speculating. I shall stick to my original point. That circumstance of being cooped up like animals probably brought this about, rather than a habitually violent criminal trying to get into the country. Even if they unfortunately where to have been cooped up which. Sour ING a gun denotes otherwise how can firing a gun out side of a war zone be ok . You and CLCC beggar belief on this 1"

You really seem to be struggling with this. Lets try a different context to see if you can grasp the concept of understanding.

Imagine 2 men are are going to rob 2 different banks. One man takes a shotgun to the bank. The other man attempts to rob the other bank armed with a feather duster.

I condone neither, but I understand why a man would take a shotgun, it would make people comply, it would scare people, the police response may be slower due to needing an armed response unit etc. I understand it. The man with a feather duster however, I don’t understand, it won’t scare anyone, every will thing its a joke etc.

Now do you get it?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.Understand what that they need a gun outside of a war zone??? And prepared to use it??? Oh dear !!!

I see you are still struggling to understand! I understand fully at Calais a gun has been fired. And it's a major concern.

And the fact you are condoning/ understand it is also a major concern!!!

do you understand why there are kids carrying knives now, and why the kids in some parts of the country are using them with fatal consequences?

understanding something is simply not condoning it, its illogical beyond common sense to make that leap..

As I have had to say to another person on this thread. Deal with the thread question. And my point is the gun at Calais is a major concern. It cannot be condoned. No leap requires I suggest you stand still and deal with thread question. Wriggle wriggle "

all threads will 'develop' and move into associated area's/ reasons etc..

its been stated to you that i do not condone such actions, not just there but here..

your being narrow minded in not addressing the commonalities that exist here and in pretty much all countries..

over the Christmas 4 young men died in London by knives, understanding why some of their attackers felt the need to carry and use such weapons is not to condone it..

is it too difficult for you to grasp that or is it because the person with the gun was a refugee?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.Understand what that they need a gun outside of a war zone??? And prepared to use it??? Oh dear !!!

I see you are still struggling to understand! I understand fully at Calais a gun has been fired. And it's a major concern.

And the fact you are condoning/ understand it is also a major concern!!!

do you understand why there are kids carrying knives now, and why the kids in some parts of the country are using them with fatal consequences?

understanding something is simply not condoning it, its illogical beyond common sense to make that leap..

As I have had to say to another person on this thread. Deal with the thread question. And my point is the gun at Calais is a major concern. It cannot be condoned. No leap requires I suggest you stand still and deal with thread question. Wriggle wriggle

all threads will 'develop' and move into associated area's/ reasons etc..

its been stated to you that i do not condone such actions, not just there but here..

your being narrow minded in not addressing the commonalities that exist here and in pretty much all countries..

over the Christmas 4 young men died in London by knives, understanding why some of their attackers felt the need to carry and use such weapons is not to condone it..

is it too difficult for you to grasp that or is it because the person with the gun was a refugee?

"

Again you digress. The crooks of this thread that on our doorstep a gun has been fired. And you loosely have condoned it early in thread n now back tracking. My concerns being what next. This is an escalation that you seem to be very matter fact about.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury

Why are Eritreans coming here?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Why are Eritreans coming here? "
It's not just here tens of thousands made it to Israel.The government there are offering £3000 to go back home.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury


"Why are Eritreans coming here? It's not just here tens of thousands made it to Israel.The government there are offering £3000 to go back home."

Economic migrants with guns huh?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Why are Eritreans coming here? It's not just here tens of thousands made it to Israel.The government there are offering £3000 to go back home.

Economic migrants with guns huh?"

They'd be fucking brave to enter Israel tooled up..

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do?"

Go to the nearest country of refuge?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Why are Eritreans coming here? "
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Theres a good review in the guardian for avant garde post Italian holidays to Eritrea

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury


"Why are Eritreans coming here? .

Theres a good review in the guardian for avant garde post Italian holidays to Eritrea "

Yeah Google was just telling things to see there, and what time of year its best to visit. Gotta feel sorry for those Afghans, their country has never got out of the stone age, and the Eritrea's are running away from a tourist destination!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I wonder if most of the Eritrean migrants are Christians.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Rivers of blood grandpa...

only you said that.

perhaps you should welcome them to your home

I think this story highlights exactly why we should keep these people out of the UK.

No, quite the opposite. If they had been allowed over they wouldn't have been cooped up together in all conditions to create whichever tension caused this.

I hardly think Afghans and Eritreans are natural enemies, animosity was caused by the situation they were in.

And Cask, well done for using the most ridiculous argument that all right wingers resort to when they run out of ideas. "

JustJodie

go back read the original first post, exactly where is the argument?

what is the argument?

This was an information post, but then you like to grow arms and legs on everything

interesting you think they are not enemies, yet they are trying to kill each other with guns and clubs, if that is what you consider "friends" then god help what they would do if they were enemies

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Rivers of blood grandpa...

only you said that.

perhaps you should welcome them to your home

I think this story highlights exactly why we should keep these people out of the UK.

No, quite the opposite. If they had been allowed over they wouldn't have been cooped up together in all conditions to create whichever tension caused this.

I hardly think Afghans and Eritreans are natural enemies, animosity was caused by the situation they were in.

And Cask, well done for using the most ridiculous argument that all right wingers resort to when they run out of ideas.

This shows what happens when you stop treating people like human beings. The OP has previously suggested feeding immigrants to sharks, so that tells you all you need to know about his humanity, or lack there of. "

I heard 90 sharks were fed today?

perhaps fake news, who knows? only the sharks

perhaps only 87

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS  over a year ago

Burton on Trent


"I never said it was right the person had a gun. But I'm not speculating where they got it. There are trafficking gangs operating in France and it could have been one of them that supplied it or used it.

But part of the process of being admitted to this country would have been a scan and search. So it/they wouldn't have got through. Your 1 st sentence you say you not speculating. Then the 2 nd you do re: the traffickers supplying the gun. Oh dear.

So scan n search they have nothing g fine. But this person who had and shot 5 people ditched the gun. So he's clear to be processed. Oh my word.

Ok, so I was speculating. I shall stick to my original point. That circumstance of being cooped up like animals probably brought this about, rather than a habitually violent criminal trying to get into the country. Even if they unfortunately where to have been cooped up which. Sour ING a gun denotes otherwise how can firing a gun out side of a war zone be ok . You and CLCC beggar belief on this 1"

Yeah I know it's tough to understand nuance and empathy, but stick with it and I'm sure you'll get there one day.

And morally there is no difference between killing someone in a war and out of it. It's just the legality that is different.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury


"I wonder if most of the Eritrean migrants are Christians."

Dunno. Apparently they are running away from national conscription, and rubbish internet. Most travel through Italy, although less than 1 in 100 applies for residency there...

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues."

Laughable how CLCC sticks up for the guy with the gun, even more comical that you don't seem to mention 150 - 200 Eritreans armed with iron rods and sticks

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I wonder if most of the Eritrean migrants are Christians.

Dunno. Apparently they are running away from national conscription, and rubbish internet. Most travel through Italy, although less than 1 in 100 applies for residency there... "

Well I know the Eritrean Christians are a persecuted for their beliefs by the majority Muslim government .I dont know if they are the majority of migrants.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury

They're just desperate to get into the uk and enrich our cultural diversity. Gor bless 'em!

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury


"I wonder if most of the Eritrean migrants are Christians.

Dunno. Apparently they are running away from national conscription, and rubbish internet. Most travel through Italy, although less than 1 in 100 applies for residency there...

Well I know the Eritrean Christians are a persecuted for their beliefs by the majority Muslim government .I dont know if they are the majority of migrants."

Young men of conscription age apparently.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Why are Eritreans coming here? It's not just here tens of thousands made it to Israel.The government there are offering £3000 to go back home.

Economic migrants with guns huh?"

are iron bars. sticks and clubs okay? is it okay to club someone to death?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Why are Eritreans coming here? .

Theres a good review in the guardian for avant garde post Italian holidays to Eritrea

Yeah Google was just telling things to see there, and what time of year its best to visit. Gotta feel sorry for those Afghans, their country has never got out of the stone age, and the Eritrea's are running away from a tourist destination! "

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No Afghanistan wasn't too bad when it was Buddhist

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury


"Why are Eritreans coming here? It's not just here tens of thousands made it to Israel.The government there are offering £3000 to go back home.

Economic migrants with guns huh?

are iron bars. sticks and clubs okay? is it okay to club someone to death?"

What they need is a good hard dose of the British welfare state. They oughta learn 'em!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" They're just desperate to get into the uk and enrich our cultural diversity. Gor bless 'em! "
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Well we've certainly picked up the Bangladeshi culture of throwing acid in peoples faces

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Im not trying to defend anyone is this, its the sad side of humanity I wish we could move past.

That said, imagine if someone were to take you from the UK - a country which isnt perfsct but better than many, then shoved you in a camp where you know you are being treated as a charity case, or painted as beneath human, then take away all immediate oppertunity and in a scarcity of resources, eventually people give up on co-operation and result to ingroup tribalism

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais."

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury


" They're just desperate to get into the uk and enrich our cultural diversity. Gor bless 'em! .

Well we've certainly picked up the Bangladeshi culture of throwing acid in peoples faces "

How else are you going to shame errant women? Plus It's a bit rich to start dissing other peoples traditions...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais?"

Heading to the promised land.A better question is why are we the promised land.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais?"

That question has been asked for many years with regards to so called refugee's

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais? Heading to the promised land.A better question is why are we the promised land."

Exactly. Who is telling them this failing state is a great place to live? " Go to Britain, live illegally in high rise flats that may or may not catch fire...." sounds great.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais? Heading to the promised land.A better question is why are we the promised land."

then they cannot be classed as refugee's

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" They're just desperate to get into the uk and enrich our cultural diversity. Gor bless 'em! .

Well we've certainly picked up the Bangladeshi culture of throwing acid in peoples faces

How else are you going to shame errant women? Plus It's a bit rich to start dissing other peoples traditions... "

I thought the Bangladeshi tradition was making cheap clothing for Brits on benefits.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais? Heading to the promised land.A better question is why are we the promised land.

Exactly. Who is telling them this failing state is a great place to live? " Go to Britain, live illegally in high rise flats that may or may not catch fire...." sounds great. "

I'm guessing the internet is to blame for portraying us as wealthy.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais?

That question has been asked for many years with regards to so called refugee's"

I say let them in. And help them on their way to Scotland where the Labour provided could help the Scottish economy. Maybe make them strong enough for independence...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I wonder if most of the Eritrean migrants are Christians.

Dunno. Apparently they are running away from national conscription, and rubbish internet. Most travel through Italy, although less than 1 in 100 applies for residency there...

Well I know the Eritrean Christians are a persecuted for their beliefs by the majority Muslim government .I dont know if they are the majority of migrants.

Young men of conscription age apparently. "

Sorry where are you going with those potentially persicuted for their faith and those of conscription age

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais? Heading to the promised land.A better question is why are we the promised land.

Exactly. Who is telling them this failing state is a great place to live? " Go to Britain, live illegally in high rise flats that may or may not catch fire...." sounds great. I'm guessing the internet is to blame for portraying us as wealthy."

Ah, but the internet is one of the reasons they're on the march. So how would they know? Surely the government sanctioned internet wouldn't be telling them.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury


"I wonder if most of the Eritrean migrants are Christians.

Dunno. Apparently they are running away from national conscription, and rubbish internet. Most travel through Italy, although less than 1 in 100 applies for residency there...

Well I know the Eritrean Christians are a persecuted for their beliefs by the majority Muslim government .I dont know if they are the majority of migrants.

Young men of conscription age apparently.

Sorry where are you going with those potentially persicuted for their faith and those of conscription age"

I was reading on openmigration.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais?

That question has been asked for many years with regards to so called refugee's

I say let them in. And help them on their way to Scotland where the Labour provided could help the Scottish economy. Maybe make them strong enough for independence... "

Ha Ha tell them to keep heading north all the way up.The further north the richer the country.To be fair that only applies to Norway.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais?

That question has been asked for many years with regards to so called refugee's

I say let them in. And help them on their way to Scotland where the Labour provided could help the Scottish economy. Maybe make them strong enough for independence... Ha Ha tell them to keep heading north all the way up.The further north the richer the country.To be fair that only applies to Norway.

"

as long as they stay off my land

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais?

That question has been asked for many years with regards to so called refugee's

I say let them in. And help them on their way to Scotland where the Labour provided could help the Scottish economy. Maybe make them strong enough for independence... Ha Ha tell them to keep heading north all the way up.The further north the richer the country.To be fair that only applies to Norway.

"

You know it makes sense. Maybe that's all britain furst needs to do. Make up a leaflet showing the streets of Inverness paved with gold, and print a few thousand copies. Job done.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais?

That question has been asked for many years with regards to so called refugee's

I say let them in. And help them on their way to Scotland where the Labour provided could help the Scottish economy. Maybe make them strong enough for independence... Ha Ha tell them to keep heading north all the way up.The further north the richer the country.To be fair that only applies to Norway.

You know it makes sense. Maybe that's all britain furst needs to do. Make up a leaflet showing the streets of Inverness paved with gold, and print a few thousand copies. Job done. "

"Don't Even Fucking Go there"

the streets may now be paved with gold but the streams are, I didn't just make my fortune working on oil rigs

panning for gold makes good reward

We don't have gold mines up here for nothing

google "gold in Scottish Hills"

read up on the Gold mine at Tyndrum

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais?

That question has been asked for many years with regards to so called refugee's

I say let them in. And help them on their way to Scotland where the Labour provided could help the Scottish economy. Maybe make them strong enough for independence... Ha Ha tell them to keep heading north all the way up.The further north the richer the country.To be fair that only applies to Norway.

You know it makes sense. Maybe that's all britain furst needs to do. Make up a leaflet showing the streets of Inverness paved with gold, and print a few thousand copies. Job done.

"Don't Even Fucking Go there"

the streets may now be paved with gold but the streams are, I didn't just make my fortune working on oil rigs

panning for gold makes good reward

We don't have gold mines up here for nothing

google "gold in Scottish Hills"

read up on the Gold mine at Tyndrum

"

I'll let the Eritreans do that...

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais?

That question has been asked for many years with regards to so called refugee's

I say let them in. And help them on their way to Scotland where the Labour provided could help the Scottish economy. Maybe make them strong enough for independence... Ha Ha tell them to keep heading north all the way up.The further north the richer the country.To be fair that only applies to Norway.

You know it makes sense. Maybe that's all britain furst needs to do. Make up a leaflet showing the streets of Inverness paved with gold, and print a few thousand copies. Job done.

"Don't Even Fucking Go there"

the streets may now be paved with gold but the streams are, I didn't just make my fortune working on oil rigs

panning for gold makes good reward

We don't have gold mines up here for nothing

google "gold in Scottish Hills"

read up on the Gold mine at Tyndrum

I'll let the Eritreans do that... "

Hmmmm

I might employ them for a small fee

less than minimum wage of course

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.

Laughable how CLCC sticks up for the guy with the gun, even more comical that you don't seem to mention 150 - 200 Eritreans armed with iron rods and sticks "

You are describing a violent interactions, and can't understand why people had weapons?

You might not understand why someone would take a gun to a kids birthday party, or to a swimming pool, but how thick have you got to be not to be able to understand why someone would take a gun to a violent, armed, fight? can you really, honestly say that you can't understand why someone would take a gun to a fight against hundreds of armed men? Really? You can't comprehend that guy's thought process?

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.

Laughable how CLCC sticks up for the guy with the gun, even more comical that you don't seem to mention 150 - 200 Eritreans armed with iron rods and sticks

You are describing a violent interactions, and can't understand why people had weapons?

You might not understand why someone would take a gun to a kids birthday party, or to a swimming pool, but how thick have you got to be not to be able to understand why someone would take a gun to a violent, armed, fight? can you really, honestly say that you can't understand why someone would take a gun to a fight against hundreds of armed men? Really? You can't comprehend that guy's thought process? "

hey CLCC,its okay, you have made it perfectly clear you think its okay for them to carry illegal guns

no need to back track, all your comments are above, if you think its okay, then fine,

but truth be told it is Highly illegal and penalty is a jail sentence

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.Understand what that they need a gun outside of a war zone??? And prepared to use it??? Oh dear !!!

I see you are still struggling to understand! I understand fully at Calais a gun has been fired. And it's a major concern.

And the fact you are condoning/ understand it is also a major concern!!!

do you understand why there are kids carrying knives now, and why the kids in some parts of the country are using them with fatal consequences?

understanding something is simply not condoning it, its illogical beyond common sense to make that leap..

As I have had to say to another person on this thread. Deal with the thread question. And my point is the gun at Calais is a major concern. It cannot be condoned. No leap requires I suggest you stand still and deal with thread question. Wriggle wriggle

all threads will 'develop' and move into associated area's/ reasons etc..

its been stated to you that i do not condone such actions, not just there but here..

your being narrow minded in not addressing the commonalities that exist here and in pretty much all countries..

over the Christmas 4 young men died in London by knives, understanding why some of their attackers felt the need to carry and use such weapons is not to condone it..

is it too difficult for you to grasp that or is it because the person with the gun was a refugee?

Again you digress. The crooks of this thread that on our doorstep a gun has been fired. And you loosely have condoned it early in thread n now back tracking. My concerns being what next. This is an escalation that you seem to be very matter fact about. "

Bollocks have I..

Read and try again..

You nearly have it if you mean crooks?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais?

That question has been asked for many years with regards to so called refugee's

I say let them in. And help them on their way to Scotland where the Labour provided could help the Scottish economy. Maybe make them strong enough for independence... Ha Ha tell them to keep heading north all the way up.The further north the richer the country.To be fair that only applies to Norway.

You know it makes sense. Maybe that's all britain furst needs to do. Make up a leaflet showing the streets of Inverness paved with gold, and print a few thousand copies. Job done. "

Ah but those canny Scots will offer them free boat rides further north to Iceland .

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.

Laughable how CLCC sticks up for the guy with the gun, even more comical that you don't seem to mention 150 - 200 Eritreans armed with iron rods and sticks

You are describing a violent interactions, and can't understand why people had weapons?

You might not understand why someone would take a gun to a kids birthday party, or to a swimming pool, but how thick have you got to be not to be able to understand why someone would take a gun to a violent, armed, fight? can you really, honestly say that you can't understand why someone would take a gun to a fight against hundreds of armed men? Really? You can't comprehend that guy's thought process?

hey CLCC,its okay, you have made it perfectly clear you think its okay for them to carry illegal guns

no need to back track, all your comments are above, if you think its okay, then fine,

but truth be told it is Highly illegal and penalty is a jail sentence "

You are really struggling with this, aren't you?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais?

That question has been asked for many years with regards to so called refugee's

I say let them in. And help them on their way to Scotland where the Labour provided could help the Scottish economy. Maybe make them strong enough for independence... Ha Ha tell them to keep heading north all the way up.The further north the richer the country.To be fair that only applies to Norway.

You know it makes sense. Maybe that's all britain furst needs to do. Make up a leaflet showing the streets of Inverness paved with gold, and print a few thousand copies. Job done. Ah but those canny Scots will offer them free boat rides further north to Iceland . "

That's good. The British isles doesn't have to be a cul de sac for economic migrants.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais?

That question has been asked for many years with regards to so called refugee's

I say let them in. And help them on their way to Scotland where the Labour provided could help the Scottish economy. Maybe make them strong enough for independence... Ha Ha tell them to keep heading north all the way up.The further north the richer the country.To be fair that only applies to Norway.

You know it makes sense. Maybe that's all britain furst needs to do. Make up a leaflet showing the streets of Inverness paved with gold, and print a few thousand copies. Job done.

"Don't Even Fucking Go there"

the streets may now be paved with gold but the streams are, I didn't just make my fortune working on oil rigs

panning for gold makes good reward

We don't have gold mines up here for nothing

google "gold in Scottish Hills"

read up on the Gold mine at Tyndrum

I'll let the Eritreans do that...

Hmmmm

I might employ them for a small fee

less than minimum wage of course"

They'd be happy as long as the internet isn't filtered and you don't make them do 18 mths in uniform.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais?

That question has been asked for many years with regards to so called refugee's

I say let them in. And help them on their way to Scotland where the Labour provided could help the Scottish economy. Maybe make them strong enough for independence... Ha Ha tell them to keep heading north all the way up.The further north the richer the country.To be fair that only applies to Norway.

You know it makes sense. Maybe that's all britain furst needs to do. Make up a leaflet showing the streets of Inverness paved with gold, and print a few thousand copies. Job done.

"Don't Even Fucking Go there"

the streets may now be paved with gold but the streams are, I didn't just make my fortune working on oil rigs

panning for gold makes good reward

We don't have gold mines up here for nothing

google "gold in Scottish Hills"

read up on the Gold mine at Tyndrum

I'll let the Eritreans do that...

Hmmmm

I might employ them for a small fee

less than minimum wage of course

They'd be happy as long as the internet isn't filtered and you don't make them do 18 mths in uniform. "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais?

That question has been asked for many years with regards to so called refugee's

I say let them in. And help them on their way to Scotland where the Labour provided could help the Scottish economy. Maybe make them strong enough for independence... Ha Ha tell them to keep heading north all the way up.The further north the richer the country.To be fair that only applies to Norway.

You know it makes sense. Maybe that's all britain furst needs to do. Make up a leaflet showing the streets of Inverness paved with gold, and print a few thousand copies. Job done. Ah but those canny Scots will offer them free boat rides further north to Iceland .

That's good. The British isles doesn't have to be a cul de sac for economic migrants. "

Onwards and upwards.I guess the Icelandic could send them on north but a some point they'd be heading back south.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury


"Seems the teenage boys shot were all Eritrean.It would be interesting to know if they were Christians fleeing persecution from Muslims then got into a fight with Afghan Muslims in Calais.

I guess the question remains the same for any "refugee". What the fuck are you doing in Calais?

That question has been asked for many years with regards to so called refugee's

I say let them in. And help them on their way to Scotland where the Labour provided could help the Scottish economy. Maybe make them strong enough for independence... Ha Ha tell them to keep heading north all the way up.The further north the richer the country.To be fair that only applies to Norway.

You know it makes sense. Maybe that's all britain furst needs to do. Make up a leaflet showing the streets of Inverness paved with gold, and print a few thousand copies. Job done. Ah but those canny Scots will offer them free boat rides further north to Iceland .

That's good. The British isles doesn't have to be a cul de sac for economic migrants. Onwards and upwards.I guess the Icelandic could send them on north but a some point they'd be heading back south. "

They might end up back home.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.Understand what that they need a gun outside of a war zone??? And prepared to use it??? Oh dear !!!

I see you are still struggling to understand! I understand fully at Calais a gun has been fired. And it's a major concern.

And the fact you are condoning/ understand it is also a major concern!!! "

Your comments are just making it clearer that you have limited abilities to grasp much understanding of this complex situation, despite others making great efforts to maintain dialogue with intelligible, simple language for a reasonable party to sustain in mind.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.Understand what that they need a gun outside of a war zone??? And prepared to use it??? Oh dear !!!

I see you are still struggling to understand! I understand fully at Calais a gun has been fired. And it's a major concern.

And the fact you are condoning/ understand it is also a major concern!!!

Your comments are just making it clearer that you have limited abilities to grasp much understanding of this complex situation, despite others making great efforts to maintain dialogue with intelligible, simple language for a reasonable party to sustain in mind. "

Fact : gun been fired in Calais my understanding no tolerance req'd . Simple.

I don't need a lecture /lesson in what's morally correct. It's not a war zone . Getting bored now .

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.Understand what that they need a gun outside of a war zone??? And prepared to use it??? Oh dear !!!

I see you are still struggling to understand! I understand fully at Calais a gun has been fired. And it's a major concern.

And the fact you are condoning/ understand it is also a major concern!!!

Your comments are just making it clearer that you have limited abilities to grasp much understanding of this complex situation, despite others making great efforts to maintain dialogue with intelligible, simple language for a reasonable party to sustain in mind. Fact : gun been fired in Calais my understanding no tolerance req'd . Simple.

I don't need a lecture /lesson in what's morally correct. It's not a war zone . Getting bored now . "

We know, you don't understand it, it's too complicated for you, too tough for you to figure it out. Don't worry about it any more.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.Understand what that they need a gun outside of a war zone??? And prepared to use it??? Oh dear !!!

I see you are still struggling to understand! I understand fully at Calais a gun has been fired. And it's a major concern.

And the fact you are condoning/ understand it is also a major concern!!!

Your comments are just making it clearer that you have limited abilities to grasp much understanding of this complex situation, despite others making great efforts to maintain dialogue with intelligible, simple language for a reasonable party to sustain in mind. Fact : gun been fired in Calais my understanding no tolerance req'd . Simple.

I don't need a lecture /lesson in what's morally correct. It's not a war zone . Getting bored now . "

If you are bored it's time to move on to something fun!

Life's to fucking short dude.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.Understand what that they need a gun outside of a war zone??? And prepared to use it??? Oh dear !!!

I see you are still struggling to understand! I understand fully at Calais a gun has been fired. And it's a major concern.

And the fact you are condoning/ understand it is also a major concern!!!

Your comments are just making it clearer that you have limited abilities to grasp much understanding of this complex situation, despite others making great efforts to maintain dialogue with intelligible, simple language for a reasonable party to sustain in mind. Fact : gun been fired in Calais my understanding no tolerance req'd . Simple.

I don't need a lecture /lesson in what's morally correct. It's not a war zone . Getting bored now . If you are bored it's time to move on to something fun!

Life's to fucking short dude."

Yes mate. That was me trying to say that's me drawing my line under it. Getting sick of hearing my own voice .so to speak lol

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By *andS66Couple  over a year ago

Derby


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? "

You're right....it's a bit like most remainers judging all brexiters as racists.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.Understand what that they need a gun outside of a war zone??? And prepared to use it??? Oh dear !!!

I see you are still struggling to understand! I understand fully at Calais a gun has been fired. And it's a major concern.

And the fact you are condoning/ understand it is also a major concern!!!

Your comments are just making it clearer that you have limited abilities to grasp much understanding of this complex situation, despite others making great efforts to maintain dialogue with intelligible, simple language for a reasonable party to sustain in mind. Fact : gun been fired in Calais my understanding no tolerance req'd . Simple.

I don't need a lecture /lesson in what's morally correct. It's not a war zone . Getting bored now .

We know, you don't understand it, it's too complicated for you, too tough for you to figure it out. Don't worry about it any more."

Oh I am concerned on our doorstep a gun being fired by a person that potentially might end up on our shores.

Your naivety is alarming!!!!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.Understand what that they need a gun outside of a war zone??? And prepared to use it??? Oh dear !!!

I see you are still struggling to understand! I understand fully at Calais a gun has been fired. And it's a major concern.

And the fact you are condoning/ understand it is also a major concern!!!

Your comments are just making it clearer that you have limited abilities to grasp much understanding of this complex situation, despite others making great efforts to maintain dialogue with intelligible, simple language for a reasonable party to sustain in mind. Fact : gun been fired in Calais my understanding no tolerance req'd . Simple.

I don't need a lecture /lesson in what's morally correct. It's not a war zone . Getting bored now .

We know, you don't understand it, it's too complicated for you, too tough for you to figure it out. Don't worry about it any more. Oh I am concerned on our doorstep a gun being fired by a person that potentially might end up on our shores.

Your naivety is alarming!!!!"

irony eh..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire

The most recent numbers for the use of illegally held weapons in criminal offences i can find on Merseyside are for 2015 (released in Feb last year) and it was 7,866 of which 19 were fatalities..

to be looking askance at one incident that no one has condoned in Calais when gun crime and its consequences are in every town and city in this country is naive, ignorance, plain trolling or its an agenda based on the people in Calais..

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By *inkywife1981Couple  over a year ago

A town near you

I dont understand the logic when people mention crimes committed by white English people when defending violent migrants. Just because you might have homegrown arseholes it doesnt make sense to allow more arseholes in esp if they already have a violent disposition. And given that many migrants make it across by hiding in trucks etc they cannot be properly vetted or checked for weapons.

Is there no way of assessing migrants in France and trying to help the most vulnerable

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The most recent numbers for the use of illegally held weapons in criminal offences i can find on Merseyside are for 2015 (released in Feb last year) and it was 7,866 of which 19 were fatalities..

to be looking askance at one incident that no one has condoned in Calais when gun crime and its consequences are in every town and city in this country is naive, ignorance, plain trolling or its an agenda based on the people in Calais.. "

Is the thread not about Calais. Very poor trying to drag Merseyside into the discussion. That could be another thread. Now you are condoning the gun shooting in Calais is ok because Merseyside has its own problems like every other County in the UK. Oh dear!!!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


"The most recent numbers for the use of illegally held weapons in criminal offences i can find on Merseyside are for 2015 (released in Feb last year) and it was 7,866 of which 19 were fatalities..

to be looking askance at one incident that no one has condoned in Calais when gun crime and its consequences are in every town and city in this country is naive, ignorance, plain trolling or its an agenda based on the people in Calais.. Is the thread not about Calais. Very poor trying to drag Merseyside into the discussion. That could be another thread. Now you are condoning the gun shooting in Calais is ok because Merseyside has its own problems like every other County in the UK. Oh dear!!!"

yep its trolling or a tired old agenda because you simply can not be so stupid as to not grasp the thread and how its developed..

or could you?

do you struggle in pub quizzes as the topics change?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The most recent numbers for the use of illegally held weapons in criminal offences i can find on Merseyside are for 2015 (released in Feb last year) and it was 7,866 of which 19 were fatalities..

to be looking askance at one incident that no one has condoned in Calais when gun crime and its consequences are in every town and city in this country is naive, ignorance, plain trolling or its an agenda based on the people in Calais.. Is the thread not about Calais. Very poor trying to drag Merseyside into the discussion. That could be another thread. Now you are condoning the gun shooting in Calais is ok because Merseyside has its own problems like every other County in the UK. Oh dear!!!

yep its trolling or a tired old agenda because you simply can not be so stupid as to not grasp the thread and how its developed..

or could you?

do you struggle in pub quizzes as the topics change?"

Developed ??? How by going off on a tangent by coincidence or design quoting crime figures from the County I'm from to condone actions the thread is about. Name calling hey? Clutching at straws now. My oh my

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" They're just desperate to get into the uk and enrich our cultural diversity. Gor bless 'em! .

Well we've certainly picked up the Bangladeshi culture of throwing acid in peoples faces

How else are you going to shame errant women? Plus It's a bit rich to start dissing other peoples traditions... I thought the Bangladeshi tradition was making cheap clothing for Brits on benefits."

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I give my money to Walmart for its tax evasion, primark for its child labour, Texaco for the next invasion,I give all my money to millionaires and don't give a fuck about you . ..but i do like to moan about Donald trump

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Its a really simple solution, pop them all on a nice military plane and fly them back for free to Eritrea, Thailand, Vietnam, Ghana...

There really isn't that many Syrian refugees and they could easily have been accommodated throughout Europe

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


"Its a really simple solution, pop them all on a nice military plane and fly them back for free to Eritrea, Thailand, Vietnam, Ghana...

There really isn't that many Syrian refugees and they could easily have been accommodated throughout Europe"

You think that you can't be a refugee from those countries?

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.Understand what that they need a gun outside of a war zone??? And prepared to use it??? Oh dear !!!

I see you are still struggling to understand! I understand fully at Calais a gun has been fired. And it's a major concern.

And the fact you are condoning/ understand it is also a major concern!!!

Your comments are just making it clearer that you have limited abilities to grasp much understanding of this complex situation, despite others making great efforts to maintain dialogue with intelligible, simple language for a reasonable party to sustain in mind. Fact : gun been fired in Calais my understanding no tolerance req'd . Simple.

I don't need a lecture /lesson in what's morally correct. It's not a war zone . Getting bored now .

We know, you don't understand it, it's too complicated for you, too tough for you to figure it out. Don't worry about it any more. Oh I am concerned on our doorstep a gun being fired by a person that potentially might end up on our shores.

Your naivety is alarming!!!!"

Your lack of comprehension is alarming.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Its a really simple solution, pop them all on a nice military plane and fly them back for free to Eritrea, Thailand, Vietnam, Ghana...

There really isn't that many Syrian refugees and they could easily have been accommodated throughout Europe

You think that you can't be a refugee from those countries? "

.

Yes

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan  over a year ago

Kent


"Oh I am concerned on our doorstep a gun being fired by a person that potentially might end up on our shores.

Your naivety is alarming!!!!"

Relax, it's on my doorstep not yours and I'm not losing sleep over it

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh I am concerned on our doorstep a gun being fired by a person that potentially might end up on our shores.

Your naivety is alarming!!!!

Relax, it's on my doorstep not yours and I'm not losing sleep over it"

You're losing sleep over something , up at this hour.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand. Oh my word how you wriggle a bloke has had a gun you go down the line of trying to say it was ok . Now back track. He is not in a war zone. I have plenty of concerns over the majority plight. You say no money for food . Yet a gun is able to be sourced. Wake up .

Where did I say it was ok? Loosely albeit. You said if had certain things in different situation he wouldn't he probably wouldn't have gun in hand. So there is an element of condoning. Hey its ok I understand when emotions run high we say n do things we don't totally mean.

No, I said I understood it, not condoned it. You on the other hand, don’t understand. Im guessing you don’t have much lived experience in this area, so wouldn’t understand much about refugees and their issues.Understand what that they need a gun outside of a war zone??? And prepared to use it??? Oh dear !!!

I see you are still struggling to understand! I understand fully at Calais a gun has been fired. And it's a major concern.

And the fact you are condoning/ understand it is also a major concern!!!

Your comments are just making it clearer that you have limited abilities to grasp much understanding of this complex situation, despite others making great efforts to maintain dialogue with intelligible, simple language for a reasonable party to sustain in mind. Fact : gun been fired in Calais my understanding no tolerance req'd . Simple.

I don't need a lecture /lesson in what's morally correct. It's not a war zone . Getting bored now .

We know, you don't understand it, it's too complicated for you, too tough for you to figure it out. Don't worry about it any more. Oh I am concerned on our doorstep a gun being fired by a person that potentially might end up on our shores.

Your naivety is alarming!!!!

Your lack of comprehension is alarming. "

Comprehension of what? The thread topic is about shooting in Calais Correct or not??

It can not be tolerated , for some reason throughout this thread it displays, you and a few others seem to be putting forward reasons it is ok to have a gun . These people are trying to come here. This is a massive concern. Can you not Comprehend this??

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do?"

This should save time re: Comprehension n condoning saga. So by saying he doesn't have any of the above home friends etc.... it's seemingly ok for him to pick up a gun? My comprehension is that is condoning his actions.

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By *oi_LucyCouple  over a year ago

Barbados


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? This should save time re: Comprehension n condoning saga. So by saying he doesn't have any of the above home friends etc.... it's seemingly ok for him to pick up a gun? My comprehension is that is condoning his actions. "

Ok. Now we are getting somewhere. You are admitting now that you can’t tell the difference between understanding something and condoning it. Alas it is this fundamental lack of intelligence or education that is causing such problems for the world. By saying that by trying to understand something implies you condone it is asinine.

-Matt

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By *ercuryMan  over a year ago

Grantham

The fact that economic migrants have guns is alarming, yet not surprising.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The fact that economic migrants have guns is alarming, yet not surprising."

Dam you paint with a broad brush.What percentage of economic migrants have guns?

How many economic migrants that have come here have guns ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? This should save time re: Comprehension n condoning saga. So by saying he doesn't have any of the above home friends etc.... it's seemingly ok for him to pick up a gun? My comprehension is that is condoning his actions.

Ok. Now we are getting somewhere. You are admitting now that you can’t tell the difference between understanding something and condoning it. Alas it is this fundamental lack of intelligence or education that is causing such problems for the world. By saying that by trying to understand something implies you condone it is asinine.

-Matt"

That's never been an issue. As thread displays certain people have condoned it.

And once called out on it . Back track.

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By *ercuryMan  over a year ago

Grantham


"The fact that economic migrants have guns is alarming, yet not surprising.

Dam you paint with a broad brush.What percentage of economic migrants have guns?

How many economic migrants that have come here have guns ?

I have no idea on both counts. It would be interesting to know. Any takers?

"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The fact that economic migrants have guns is alarming, yet not surprising.

Dam you paint with a broad brush.What percentage of economic migrants have guns?

How many economic migrants that have come here have guns ?

I have no idea on both counts. It would be interesting to know. Any takers?

"

Oops yes you do you said it wasn't surprising they had guns.

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By *ercuryMan  over a year ago

Grantham


"The fact that economic migrants have guns is alarming, yet not surprising.

Dam you paint with a broad brush.What percentage of economic migrants have guns?

How many economic migrants that have come here have guns ?

I have no idea on both counts. It would be interesting to know. Any takers?

Oops yes you do you said it wasn't surprising they had guns.

"

They have (or had) at least one. It was fired in anger.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The fact that economic migrants have guns is alarming, yet not surprising.

Dam you paint with a broad brush.What percentage of economic migrants have guns?

How many economic migrants that have come here have guns ?

I have no idea on both counts. It would be interesting to know. Any takers?

Oops yes you do you said it wasn't surprising they had guns.

They have (or had) at least one. It was fired in anger."

One gun ok.

So how many economic migrants have come to this country in let's say the last 10 years. A few million? At least 800,000 polish are economic migrants.How many do you think are armed.?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Last summer 2 Brits were shot on the Costa del sol in a bar by another Brit.How many British tourist's carry guns?

Is this surprising ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"The fact that economic migrants have guns is alarming, yet not surprising.

Dam you paint with a broad brush.What percentage of economic migrants have guns?

How many economic migrants that have come here have guns ?

I have no idea on both counts. It would be interesting to know. Any takers?

"

very few, not legally held anyway

they would have to apply for UK licence once registered in UK

You get Germans and Swed's coming over here to shoot deer, all paperwork in order but that's a stalking holiday, where firearms all secure and paperwork in order. I have a EU licence to enable me to take specific rifles to EU countries, I expect it would work in reverse

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Last year a British grandad who was a antique gun dealer was sentenced to 30 years for supplying Ammunition and guns to criminals that was found at over 100 crime scenes here.

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


"Its a really simple solution, pop them all on a nice military plane and fly them back for free to Eritrea, Thailand, Vietnam, Ghana...

There really isn't that many Syrian refugees and they could easily have been accommodated throughout Europe

You think that you can't be a refugee from those countries? .

Yes"

Why?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? This should save time re: Comprehension n condoning saga. So by saying he doesn't have any of the above home friends etc.... it's seemingly ok for him to pick up a gun? My comprehension is that is condoning his actions.

Ok. Now we are getting somewhere. You are admitting now that you can’t tell the difference between understanding something and condoning it. Alas it is this fundamental lack of intelligence or education that is causing such problems for the world. By saying that by trying to understand something implies you condone it is asinine.

-Matt That's never been an issue. As thread displays certain people have condoned it.

And once called out on it . Back track. "

Stop lying now..

People can read and see your lying to divert from what is a clear lack of any depth of thinking..

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? This should save time re: Comprehension n condoning saga. So by saying he doesn't have any of the above home friends etc.... it's seemingly ok for him to pick up a gun? My comprehension is that is condoning his actions.

Ok. Now we are getting somewhere. You are admitting now that you can’t tell the difference between understanding something and condoning it. Alas it is this fundamental lack of intelligence or education that is causing such problems for the world. By saying that by trying to understand something implies you condone it is asinine.

-Matt"

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand."

You have a corrupt mind

if someone was in that situation, myself included, the last thing you would do is pick up an illegal gun which would cause further trouble and jail

you also said, homeless, no money so where would the gun come from!

people don't simply give out guns for free, they are sold at a very high price

He was in Calais and at no threat apart from other illegal immigrants around him, he should have got as far away from Calais as possible and went down to correct route to establish immigration into France

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? I'm not. And they are not in a war zone now. They are in Calais. You condone a gun?

IMAGINE.... It's hypothetical, I'm on about the facts. Gun wrong hands .what next?

And thats the difference. No, I don’t condone the gun, but I have the cognitive ability to understand the situation. You refuse to imagine what you would do in a similar situation, and so you cannot understand.

You have a corrupt mind

if someone was in that situation, myself included, the last thing you would do is pick up an illegal gun which would cause further trouble and jail

you also said, homeless, no money so where would the gun come from!

people don't simply give out guns for free, they are sold at a very high price

He was in Calais and at no threat apart from other illegal immigrants around him, he should have got as far away from Calais as possible and went down to correct route to establish immigration into France "

You might not do the same thing as someone else, but understanding another human beings motivation for doing something is an important skill.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire

Criminal gangs trafficking people may have access to guns..

Who would have thought that..

For the record what happened in Calais is wrong equally as when it's happening here in our cities..

Not fuckin rocket science to grasp that idea..

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


"Criminal gangs trafficking people may have access to guns..

Who would have thought that..

For the record what happened in Calais is wrong equally as when it's happening here in our cities..

Not fuckin rocket science to grasp that idea.. "

For some it is

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Law is the Law, no matter where

you abide by the law of the country you are in

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


"Law is the Law, no matter where

you abide by the law of the country you are in"

Yes, well done Sherlock. No one here has said it's ok to break the law.

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By *uxinteriorMan  over a year ago

south west , continental

It's all rather sad, upsetting and disturbing, two ethnic groups that absolutely detest each other, wanting to kill each other.

Possession of a firearm! Using it!

Asylum seekers what ever you might call them, by EU practice and law should apply for asylum the first EU country they arrive in. Why on earth they get to the Channel Coast at all can only mean one thing. UK.

There are some that have a genuine desire to resettle and find peace.

However the very fact that they did not apply for asylum where ever they entered The EU is a clear indication that these people want to carry on their lawless lives in countries that on the whole have very good social standards and law abiding citizens.

I feel sorry for the French, they try and resettle thousands throughout France. Sadly the majority do not want to learn or improve their lot in life and that is from a very close friend of mine who teaches in a resettlement college that tries to educate Somalians, Eritreans, Afghans, Armenians,Libyans, Iraqis and a handful of Syrians. Her work is extremely difficult and makes her incredibly sad and stressed. Daily she puts up with abuse and bad manners. Most of the time she teaches with the majority listening to music on their mobile phones! A true account and a worrying sign of our times....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? This should save time re: Comprehension n condoning saga. So by saying he doesn't have any of the above home friends etc.... it's seemingly ok for him to pick up a gun? My comprehension is that is condoning his actions.

Ok. Now we are getting somewhere. You are admitting now that you can’t tell the difference between understanding something and condoning it. Alas it is this fundamental lack of intelligence or education that is causing such problems for the world. By saying that by trying to understand something implies you condone it is asinine.

-Matt That's never been an issue. As thread displays certain people have condoned it.

And once called out on it . Back track.

Stop lying now..

People can read and see your lying to divert from what is a clear lack of any depth of thinking..

"

I'm not lying. You lost any creditably when you went down the name calling route as displayed in post in thread.

And then quoting Merseysides crime figures to Try and legitimise the gun incident in Calais was Shocking.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Law is the Law, no matter where

you abide by the law of the country you are in

Yes, well done Sherlock. No one here has said it's ok to break the law."

No but loosely you have mentioned the bloke with no house friends or job. It is likely he would be the one to pick gun up. This is in the realms of condoning.

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


"Law is the Law, no matter where

you abide by the law of the country you are in

Yes, well done Sherlock. No one here has said it's ok to break the law. No but loosely you have mentioned the bloke with no house friends or job. It is likely he would be the one to pick gun up. This is in the realms of condoning."

Jesus, you are struggling with this aren't you?

If there has been a murder, do the police say "I can't understand why anyone would murder someone", or do they say "that person would get a £2m life insurance policy layout out as a result of this, I can understand their motivation for killing this person"?

Are the police condoning murder, or understanding motivation?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Law is the Law, no matter where

you abide by the law of the country you are in

Yes, well done Sherlock. No one here has said it's ok to break the law. No but loosely you have mentioned the bloke with no house friends or job. It is likely he would be the one to pick gun up. This is in the realms of condoning.

Jesus, you are struggling with this aren't you?

If there has been a murder, do the police say "I can't understand why anyone would murder someone", or do they say "that person would get a £2m life insurance policy layout out as a result of this, I can understand their motivation for killing this person"?

Are the police condoning murder, or understanding motivation? "

No . You said because of ABC . D will happen Condining D over ABC

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


"Law is the Law, no matter where

you abide by the law of the country you are in

Yes, well done Sherlock. No one here has said it's ok to break the law. No but loosely you have mentioned the bloke with no house friends or job. It is likely he would be the one to pick gun up. This is in the realms of condoning.

Jesus, you are struggling with this aren't you?

If there has been a murder, do the police say "I can't understand why anyone would murder someone", or do they say "that person would get a £2m life insurance policy layout out as a result of this, I can understand their motivation for killing this person"?

Are the police condoning murder, or understanding motivation? No . You said because of ABC . D will happen Condining D over ABC"

No, I said I can understand. In the above example, are the police condoning murder or understanding motivation?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Law is the Law, no matter where

you abide by the law of the country you are in

Yes, well done Sherlock. No one here has said it's ok to break the law. No but loosely you have mentioned the bloke with no house friends or job. It is likely he would be the one to pick gun up. This is in the realms of condoning.

Jesus, you are struggling with this aren't you?

If there has been a murder, do the police say "I can't understand why anyone would murder someone", or do they say "that person would get a £2m life insurance policy layout out as a result of this, I can understand their motivation for killing this person"?

Are the police condoning murder, or understanding motivation? No . You said because of ABC . D will happen Condining D over ABC

No, I said I can understand. In the above example, are the police condoning murder or understanding motivation? "

No you said earlier in thread the bloke who has no house ( A) friends( B) Job (C) Would be ok to pick Gun (D )therfore D being a result of ABC is condoning. Ps if was to go to pub quiz and it was Music quiz ie thread topic and then changed to Sports and Pastimes albeit can cold answer on both I'd think the quiz master was struggling for material. The ypu go I'll digress like you have throught this thread. It's ok as think threads at end ish now.

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


"Law is the Law, no matter where

you abide by the law of the country you are in

Yes, well done Sherlock. No one here has said it's ok to break the law. No but loosely you have mentioned the bloke with no house friends or job. It is likely he would be the one to pick gun up. This is in the realms of condoning.

Jesus, you are struggling with this aren't you?

If there has been a murder, do the police say "I can't understand why anyone would murder someone", or do they say "that person would get a £2m life insurance policy layout out as a result of this, I can understand their motivation for killing this person"?

Are the police condoning murder, or understanding motivation? No . You said because of ABC . D will happen Condining D over ABC

No, I said I can understand. In the above example, are the police condoning murder or understanding motivation? No you said earlier in thread the bloke who has no house ( A) friends( B) Job (C) Would be ok to pick Gun (D )therfore D being a result of ABC is condoning. Ps if was to go to pub quiz and it was Music quiz ie thread topic and then changed to Sports and Pastimes albeit can cold answer on both I'd think the quiz master was struggling for material. The ypu go I'll digress like you have throught this thread. It's ok as think threads at end ish now. "

So if the police say the guy killed his wife because he would get the life insurance, he could run away with the mistress, and wouldn't have to work for the father in law anymore, in your eyes, the police are condoning murder?

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


"Law is the Law, no matter where

you abide by the law of the country you are in

Yes, well done Sherlock. No one here has said it's ok to break the law. No but loosely you have mentioned the bloke with no house friends or job. It is likely he would be the one to pick gun up. This is in the realms of condoning.

Jesus, you are struggling with this aren't you?

If there has been a murder, do the police say "I can't understand why anyone would murder someone", or do they say "that person would get a £2m life insurance policy layout out as a result of this, I can understand their motivation for killing this person"?

Are the police condoning murder, or understanding motivation? No . You said because of ABC . D will happen Condining D over ABC

No, I said I can understand. In the above example, are the police condoning murder or understanding motivation? No you said earlier in thread the bloke who has no house ( A) friends( B) Job (C) Would be ok to pick Gun (D )therfore D being a result of ABC is condoning. Ps if was to go to pub quiz and it was Music quiz ie thread topic and then changed to Sports and Pastimes albeit can cold answer on both I'd think the quiz master was struggling for material. The ypu go I'll digress like you have throught this thread. It's ok as think threads at end ish now.

So if the police say the guy killed his wife because he would get the life insurance, he could run away with the mistress, and wouldn't have to work for the father in law anymore, in your eyes, the police are condoning murder?"

And I never said it was "ok to pick up a gun"

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? This should save time re: Comprehension n condoning saga. So by saying he doesn't have any of the above home friends etc.... it's seemingly ok for him to pick up a gun? My comprehension is that is condoning his actions.

Ok. Now we are getting somewhere. You are admitting now that you can’t tell the difference between understanding something and condoning it. Alas it is this fundamental lack of intelligence or education that is causing such problems for the world. By saying that by trying to understand something implies you condone it is asinine.

-Matt That's never been an issue. As thread displays certain people have condoned it.

And once called out on it . Back track.

Stop lying now..

People can read and see your lying to divert from what is a clear lack of any depth of thinking..

I'm not lying. You lost any creditably when you went down the name calling route as displayed in post in thread.

And then quoting Merseysides crime figures to Try and legitimise the gun incident in Calais was Shocking. "

you either have to be incredibly stupid to not be able to take on board the context that gun crime is rife..

or its the people in question and only bad in your eyes when refugees use weapons?

add to that your lacking the ability to recognise that its all wrong whomever commits it..

got that, the it being wrong bit?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Law is the Law, no matter where

you abide by the law of the country you are in

Yes, well done Sherlock. No one here has said it's ok to break the law. No but loosely you have mentioned the bloke with no house friends or job. It is likely he would be the one to pick gun up. This is in the realms of condoning.

Jesus, you are struggling with this aren't you?

If there has been a murder, do the police say "I can't understand why anyone would murder someone", or do they say "that person would get a £2m life insurance policy layout out as a result of this, I can understand their motivation for killing this person"?

Are the police condoning murder, or understanding motivation? No . You said because of ABC . D will happen Condining D over ABC

No, I said I can understand. In the above example, are the police condoning murder or understanding motivation? No you said earlier in thread the bloke who has no house ( A) friends( B) Job (C) Would be ok to pick Gun (D )therfore D being a result of ABC is condoning. Ps if was to go to pub quiz and it was Music quiz ie thread topic and then changed to Sports and Pastimes albeit can cold answer on both I'd think the quiz master was struggling for material. The ypu go I'll digress like you have throught this thread. It's ok as think threads at end ish now.

So if the police say the guy killed his wife because he would get the life insurance, he could run away with the mistress, and wouldn't have to work for the father in law anymore, in your eyes, the police are condoning murder?

And I never said it was "ok to pick up a gun" "

Loosely. You skirted round it. Then giving me crazy scenarios of me being in Afghanistan. Hoping I'd do same thing. There in Calais not a warzone

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? This should save time re: Comprehension n condoning saga. So by saying he doesn't have any of the above home friends etc.... it's seemingly ok for him to pick up a gun? My comprehension is that is condoning his actions.

Ok. Now we are getting somewhere. You are admitting now that you can’t tell the difference between understanding something and condoning it. Alas it is this fundamental lack of intelligence or education that is causing such problems for the world. By saying that by trying to understand something implies you condone it is asinine.

-Matt That's never been an issue. As thread displays certain people have condoned it.

And once called out on it . Back track.

Stop lying now..

People can read and see your lying to divert from what is a clear lack of any depth of thinking..

I'm not lying. You lost any creditably when you went down the name calling route as displayed in post in thread.

And then quoting Merseysides crime figures to Try and legitimise the gun incident in Calais was Shocking.

you either have to be incredibly stupid to not be able to take on board the context that gun crime is rife..

or its the people in question and only bad in your eyes when refugees use weapons?

add to that your lacking the ability to recognise that its all wrong whomever commits it..

got that, the it being wrong bit?

"

Excuse me?? I'm dealing with thread topic. Not the whole World's issue. There you go again trying to condone Calais incident against something. Else. " If someone said put your hand in fire would you " to use that old analogy. Thread topic if you will. Another one who like to digress when struggling

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


"Law is the Law, no matter where

you abide by the law of the country you are in

Yes, well done Sherlock. No one here has said it's ok to break the law. No but loosely you have mentioned the bloke with no house friends or job. It is likely he would be the one to pick gun up. This is in the realms of condoning.

Jesus, you are struggling with this aren't you?

If there has been a murder, do the police say "I can't understand why anyone would murder someone", or do they say "that person would get a £2m life insurance policy layout out as a result of this, I can understand their motivation for killing this person"?

Are the police condoning murder, or understanding motivation? No . You said because of ABC . D will happen Condining D over ABC

No, I said I can understand. In the above example, are the police condoning murder or understanding motivation? No you said earlier in thread the bloke who has no house ( A) friends( B) Job (C) Would be ok to pick Gun (D )therfore D being a result of ABC is condoning. Ps if was to go to pub quiz and it was Music quiz ie thread topic and then changed to Sports and Pastimes albeit can cold answer on both I'd think the quiz master was struggling for material. The ypu go I'll digress like you have throught this thread. It's ok as think threads at end ish now.

So if the police say the guy killed his wife because he would get the life insurance, he could run away with the mistress, and wouldn't have to work for the father in law anymore, in your eyes, the police are condoning murder?

And I never said it was "ok to pick up a gun" Loosely. You skirted round it. Then giving me crazy scenarios of me being in Afghanistan. Hoping I'd do same thing. There in Calais not a warzone"

No, I didn't condone it, you may have misinterpreted it and made yourself look daft as a result, but that's on you.

I noticed you are unable to answer the question about the police condoning murder or understanding motivation.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Law is the Law, no matter where

you abide by the law of the country you are in

Yes, well done Sherlock. No one here has said it's ok to break the law. No but loosely you have mentioned the bloke with no house friends or job. It is likely he would be the one to pick gun up. This is in the realms of condoning.

Jesus, you are struggling with this aren't you?

If there has been a murder, do the police say "I can't understand why anyone would murder someone", or do they say "that person would get a £2m life insurance policy layout out as a result of this, I can understand their motivation for killing this person"?

Are the police condoning murder, or understanding motivation? No . You said because of ABC . D will happen Condining D over ABC

No, I said I can understand. In the above example, are the police condoning murder or understanding motivation? No you said earlier in thread the bloke who has no house ( A) friends( B) Job (C) Would be ok to pick Gun (D )therfore D being a result of ABC is condoning. Ps if was to go to pub quiz and it was Music quiz ie thread topic and then changed to Sports and Pastimes albeit can cold answer on both I'd think the quiz master was struggling for material. The ypu go I'll digress like you have throught this thread. It's ok as think threads at end ish now.

So if the police say the guy killed his wife because he would get the life insurance, he could run away with the mistress, and wouldn't have to work for the father in law anymore, in your eyes, the police are condoning murder?

And I never said it was "ok to pick up a gun" Loosely. You skirted round it. Then giving me crazy scenarios of me being in Afghanistan. Hoping I'd do same thing. There in Calais not a warzone

No, I didn't condone it, you may have misinterpreted it and made yourself look daft as a result, but that's on you.

I noticed you are unable to answer the question about the police condoning murder or understanding motivation. "

It's above the ABC you gave D was a result of. Condoning D as a result of ABC . It the shooting in Calais not one of your cryptic scenarios we are debating here.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Its a really simple solution, pop them all on a nice military plane and fly them back for free to Eritrea, Thailand, Vietnam, Ghana...

There really isn't that many Syrian refugees and they could easily have been accommodated throughout Europe

You think that you can't be a refugee from those countries? .

Yes

Why? "

.

If they are refugees then everybody in the world is a refugee, fleeing bad circumstances however sad is not being a refugee as any normal person thinks of it.

Sure you might think they are but your in the minority, although I guess a very vocal minority, that's fine your entitled to your opinion or to campaign for or against anything as allowed.

However the vast majority of people in this country don't think Eritreans, Vietnamese, Thais, Ghanians etc etc are and furthermore want them returned back to they're county of origin as quickly as possible.... Why no government seems to be able to implement the wishes of the vast majority of its citizens is frankly beyond me

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


"Law is the Law, no matter where

you abide by the law of the country you are in

Yes, well done Sherlock. No one here has said it's ok to break the law. No but loosely you have mentioned the bloke with no house friends or job. It is likely he would be the one to pick gun up. This is in the realms of condoning.

Jesus, you are struggling with this aren't you?

If there has been a murder, do the police say "I can't understand why anyone would murder someone", or do they say "that person would get a £2m life insurance policy layout out as a result of this, I can understand their motivation for killing this person"?

Are the police condoning murder, or understanding motivation? No . You said because of ABC . D will happen Condining D over ABC

No, I said I can understand. In the above example, are the police condoning murder or understanding motivation? No you said earlier in thread the bloke who has no house ( A) friends( B) Job (C) Would be ok to pick Gun (D )therfore D being a result of ABC is condoning. Ps if was to go to pub quiz and it was Music quiz ie thread topic and then changed to Sports and Pastimes albeit can cold answer on both I'd think the quiz master was struggling for material. The ypu go I'll digress like you have throught this thread. It's ok as think threads at end ish now.

So if the police say the guy killed his wife because he would get the life insurance, he could run away with the mistress, and wouldn't have to work for the father in law anymore, in your eyes, the police are condoning murder?

And I never said it was "ok to pick up a gun" Loosely. You skirted round it. Then giving me crazy scenarios of me being in Afghanistan. Hoping I'd do same thing. There in Calais not a warzone

No, I didn't condone it, you may have misinterpreted it and made yourself look daft as a result, but that's on you.

I noticed you are unable to answer the question about the police condoning murder or understanding motivation. It's above the ABC you gave D was a result of. Condoning D as a result of ABC . It the shooting in Calais not one of your cryptic scenarios we are debating here. "

Exactly the same way the police understand a murder was a result of motivation XYZ.

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By *LCCCouple  over a year ago

Cambridge


"Its a really simple solution, pop them all on a nice military plane and fly them back for free to Eritrea, Thailand, Vietnam, Ghana...

There really isn't that many Syrian refugees and they could easily have been accommodated throughout Europe

You think that you can't be a refugee from those countries? .

Yes

Why? .

If they are refugees then everybody in the world is a refugee, fleeing bad circumstances however sad is not being a refugee as any normal person thinks of it.

Sure you might think they are but your in the minority, although I guess a very vocal minority, that's fine your entitled to your opinion or to campaign for or against anything as allowed.

However the vast majority of people in this country don't think Eritreans, Vietnamese, Thais, Ghanians etc etc are and furthermore want them returned back to they're county of origin as quickly as possible.... Why no government seems to be able to implement the wishes of the vast majority of its citizens is frankly beyond me

"

Snowdon is a refugee from America. An individual can be a refugee from any country according to international law. This does not mean that everyone is a refugee, but that anyone can claim asylum and be granted refugee status.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury

Did this actually happen i haven't seen it reported?

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Did this actually happen i haven't seen it reported? "

did what actually happen

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By *oi_LucyCouple  over a year ago

Barbados


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? This should save time re: Comprehension n condoning saga. So by saying he doesn't have any of the above home friends etc.... it's seemingly ok for him to pick up a gun? My comprehension is that is condoning his actions.

Ok. Now we are getting somewhere. You are admitting now that you can’t tell the difference between understanding something and condoning it. Alas it is this fundamental lack of intelligence or education that is causing such problems for the world. By saying that by trying to understand something implies you condone it is asinine.

-Matt That's never been an issue. As thread displays certain people have condoned it.

And once called out on it . Back track. "

Not a single person on this thread has condoned it.

Disagree? Then show me where.

-Matt

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By *oi_LucyCouple  over a year ago

Barbados


"Sure you might think they are but your in the minority, although I guess a very vocal minority, that's fine your entitled to your opinion or to campaign for or against anything as allowed.

However the vast majority of people in this country don't think Eritreans, Vietnamese, Thais, Ghanians etc etc are and furthermore want them returned back to they're county of origin as quickly as possible.... Why no government seems to be able to implement the wishes of the vast majority of its citizens is frankly beyond me

"

Maybe because the "wishes of the vast majority" is just something in your head? I think the vast majority of its citizens would like to just get on with enjoying their lives.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The inhabitants of Calais are more than fed up with it. Their towns roads look like the old German lanes to Berlin (west to east before the wall came down). The mess these people make, they have had enough. Migrants and refugees are two distinct categories, but both sets have not followed international laws concerning their right's. Even destroy passports so they can't be identified. They are not Europeans but the rest of the world. This is a world problem not any single country. The rich countries need to step in and create wealth in the countries where they originate which would go a long way to solving the problem.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Frustrations yes. Explain the gun??

Hate to break it to you, but there are good old fashioned white English people walking around shooting guns, stabbing people, all sorts.

Does it really need to be explained that you shouldn't judge all members of a group on the actions of a few? My reply is to the question in this thread!!! So you condone a gun at Calais in the wrong hands? With the potential of said person coming to the UK? ? Stick to thread question.

If that person had a house, and a job, and a support network (friends and family) around him, do you think he would have a gun in his hand?

Lets look at it the other way round, if you were on you own, with no money, homeless, unable to speak the language, didn’t understand the culture, and living in a camp in Afghanistan, what would YOU do? This should save time re: Comprehension n condoning saga. So by saying he doesn't have any of the above home friends etc.... it's seemingly ok for him to pick up a gun? My comprehension is that is condoning his actions.

Ok. Now we are getting somewhere. You are admitting now that you can’t tell the difference between understanding something and condoning it. Alas it is this fundamental lack of intelligence or education that is causing such problems for the world. By saying that by trying to understand something implies you condone it is asinine.

-Matt That's never been an issue. As thread displays certain people have condoned it.

And once called out on it . Back track.

Not a single person on this thread has condoned it.

Disagree? Then show me where.

-Matt"

Yawn now. Stable door Matt

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan  over a year ago

salisbury


"Did this actually happen i haven't seen it reported?

did what actually happen"

The big fight.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Did this actually happen i haven't seen it reported?

did what actually happen

The big fight.

"

reported in BBC News online

or just type into google

"Calais migrants: Five shot in mass brawl"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Did this actually happen i haven't seen it reported?

did what actually happen

The big fight.

"

I've seen bigger fights on a Friday night.Of course nobody brought a gun.Just bottles of hooch

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Did this actually happen i haven't seen it reported?

did what actually happen

The big fight.

I've seen bigger fights on a Friday night.Of course nobody brought a gun.Just bottles of hooch

"

that's the crowd you hang with Bob

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Did this actually happen i haven't seen it reported?

did what actually happen

The big fight.

I've seen bigger fights on a Friday night.Of course nobody brought a gun.Just bottles of hooch

that's the crowd you hang with Bob"

Hooch drinkers .

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm digressing now from topic.

Prob another thread .

But the Calais plight is similar to Fab. Alot of Single disgruntled men.

Where are all the single women ???

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Did this actually happen i haven't seen it reported?

did what actually happen

The big fight.

I've seen bigger fights on a Friday night.Of course nobody brought a gun.Just bottles of hooch

that's the crowd you hang with Bob"

One of biggest brawls i saw was up in Scotland.Whats that loopy juice they drink up there buckfast?.To scary for me to get involved.

To be fair it was mostly birds fighting..

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

BUCKFAST

They are reducing alcohol content by half, most Scots are shocked

.

Buckfast fans reeling amid claims wine’s alcohol content set to be slashed by over half

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