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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Scotland, or at least the Scottish Government has decided to continue FREE University education to all students from Scotland after we leave the EU in 2019.
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The Scottish Government has also decided to continue FREE University Education to all E.U. countries who apply and are accepted once we leave the EU.
Of course England, Wales & Irish students will continue to be charged £9000+ per year
I do not think it is right to continue inviting and giving EU students FREE education after we leave the EU, especially when others in the UK are charged highly.
Any comments on this?
Anyone from England, Wales or Irish have kids going to uni?
how do you feel, what's your views
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Has it been said anywhere that free education for EU students will continue post brexit?
i don't think it should be available but then again i think it should still be funded for those degrees that benefit the country, Doctors, Dentists etc.. |
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"Scotland, or at least the Scottish Government has decided to continue FREE University education to all students from Scotland after we leave the EU in 2019.
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The Scottish Government has also decided to continue FREE University Education to all E.U. countries who apply and are accepted once we leave the EU.
Of course England, Wales & Irish students will continue to be charged £9000+ per year
I do not think it is right to continue inviting and giving EU students FREE education after we leave the EU, especially when others in the UK are charged highly.
Any comments on this?
Anyone from England, Wales or Irish have kids going to uni?
how do you feel, what's your views
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With the caveat that I think what students are charged in England is appalling...
Yeah - its a needlessly antagonistic policy  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Looked online- it seems only to be on the Telegraph and Express newspapers- no surprise there- but other places for 2018 entry stays as before- which is no surprise as we will still be in the EU...so apart from the right wing paper, where else is the reference from Somerville? |
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"Looked online- it seems only to be on the Telegraph and Express newspapers- no surprise there- but other places for 2018 entry stays as before- which is no surprise as we will still be in the EU...so apart from the right wing paper, where else is the reference from Somerville?"
Good research. I agree that we need good, reliable sources, rather than fly by night forum posts or unreliable bigoted rags with terrible bias.
Then it's possibly worthy of comment. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Looked online- it seems only to be on the Telegraph and Express newspapers- no surprise there- but other places for 2018 entry stays as before- which is no surprise as we will still be in the EU...so apart from the right wing paper, where else is the reference from Somerville?"
I heard it from a news report on Radio 4 at 4pm, I was driving, and the report said that Scottish Government had just released this |
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"Looked online- it seems only to be on the Telegraph and Express newspapers- no surprise there- but other places for 2018 entry stays as before- which is no surprise as we will still be in the EU...so apart from the right wing paper, where else is the reference from Somerville?"
Hope the BBC are not considered as too right wing for you.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-42902981
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The Scottish government has extended the guarantee of free tuition for EU
Scotland's higher education minister Shirley-Anne Somerville told MSPs that the Scottish government had already pledged to provide free tuition for EU students
Eligible students will have their fees met for the duration of their studies, even after the UK leaves the EU.
Ministers said this would provide confidence for prospective students as well as the certainty that universities need to plan ahead.
They said it was evidence that Scotland remains a "welcoming country".
Britain is scheduled to exit the EU in March 2019, two years after Theresa May sent the Article 50 letter.
This will provide confidence for prospective EU students considering coming to study in Scotland
We are the first government in the UK to make such a commitment.
"We do so to send a strong message to current and prospective students - you are welcome here."
This was a very significant decision and there was a lot to weigh up.
To explain, students from EU countries are entitled to free tuition at Scottish universities paid for by the Scottish government.
This is to comply with European law - it was seen as the price worth paying for a policy that was right for Scots.
However, students from other parts of the UK do have to pay tuition fees here - as do students who come from countries outside Europe.
Now the government believes the right thing to do is to continue to pay for free tuition for new EU students
There's a fixed number of free places at Scottish universities. Scots and EU students effectively compete against each other for these places, though the vast majority go to Scots.
Some had argued that if EU students were charged after Brexit, it would mean all those free places could go to Scots.
That in turn could help universities admit more youngsters from disadvantaged backgrounds without making it harder for others to get in.
The other potential issue is how people in the rest of the UK might feel about EU students coming to Scotland for free tuition after Brexit while people from other parts of the UK are paying fees.
Prof Andrea Nolan, convener of Universities Scotland, welcomed the move, saying: "Today's announcement gives some much-needed clarity and assurance to universities, but most importantly demonstrates to EU students that they continue to be welcome in Scotland.
"EU students are a core part of many important courses but are also highly-valued educationally, culturally and economically, not just by universities but the communities in which they live."
Shona Struthers, chief executive of Colleges Scotland, said: "EU students are an important part of the college sector, ensuring that our campuses are diverse and our students experience different cultural and educational perspectives which enhances their academic, social and cultural knowledge.
"It is important that we work closely with both the Scottish and UK governments in their negotiations with the EU to develop appropriate systems that enable our staff, students and projects to continue to flourish and excel in this new environment."
Opposition politicians at Holyrood also backed the government move.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I am not bothered what you do up in Scotland and from the lack of response to your post i think others agree.  "
that's ok Bob, it does come out your taxes (if you work) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am not bothered what you do up in Scotland and from the lack of response to your post i think others agree.
that's ok Bob, it does come out your taxes (if you work)"
There's plenty to go around and you are free to spend it on free cider for students if you like. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There are two issues here
1) should it be free for EU nationals post BREXIT : if it was a cross party consensus and supported by the relevant part of university admittance, I'd say I don't know enough to make an informed comment as it seems contrary to gut reaction
2) Should it not also be free for the rest of the UK?- that's a matter for their relevant administrations to decide. |
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
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The SNP policy of 'free' education is a total failure when you look at outcomes. It's a disaster.
Also, let's look at what the ex education minister (Mike Russel) said about EU students back in 2011 (when he was anti-EU)
"Mr Russell said: "I have long had concerns about the subsidy we pay for EU students.
The numbers have almost doubled over the last decade - the cost to the Scottish taxpayer stands at £75m.
So I also intend to explore further, within the boundaries of European law, the possibility of reducing this."
He wrote to the EU: "I would welcome the opportunity to discuss this issue with you with a view to finding an equitable solution that allows Scottish ministers to charge appropriate fees on the same basis to all students coming from outwith Scotland.”
Let's look at his latest statement now that the SNP are supposedly very pro EU:
"EU students coming to Scotland in 2019/20 to get free tuition, despite Brexit - Great news, keeping faith with EU students and the rich diversity of world leading Scottish higher education"
Couldn't mark his neck with a blow torch.
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"The SNP policy of 'free' education is a total failure when you look at outcomes. It's a disaster.
Also, let's look at what the ex education minister (Mike Russel) said about EU students back in 2011 (when he was anti-EU)
"Mr Russell said: "I have long had concerns about the subsidy we pay for EU students.
The numbers have almost doubled over the last decade - the cost to the Scottish taxpayer stands at £75m.
So I also intend to explore further, within the boundaries of European law, the possibility of reducing this."
He wrote to the EU: "I would welcome the opportunity to discuss this issue with you with a view to finding an equitable solution that allows Scottish ministers to charge appropriate fees on the same basis to all students coming from outwith Scotland.”
Let's look at his latest statement now that the SNP are supposedly very pro EU:
"EU students coming to Scotland in 2019/20 to get free tuition, despite Brexit - Great news, keeping faith with EU students and the rich diversity of world leading Scottish higher education"
Couldn't mark his neck with a blow torch.
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Maybe he learned things and changed his opinion? Are these policies what have been campaigned for and thus supported their election to government? |
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"The SNP policy of 'free' education is a total failure when you look at outcomes. It's a disaster.
Also, let's look at what the ex education minister (Mike Russel) said about EU students back in 2011 (when he was anti-EU)
"Mr Russell said: "I have long had concerns about the subsidy we pay for EU students.
The numbers have almost doubled over the last decade - the cost to the Scottish taxpayer stands at £75m.
So I also intend to explore further, within the boundaries of European law, the possibility of reducing this."
He wrote to the EU: "I would welcome the opportunity to discuss this issue with you with a view to finding an equitable solution that allows Scottish ministers to charge appropriate fees on the same basis to all students coming from outwith Scotland.”
Let's look at his latest statement now that the SNP are supposedly very pro EU:
"EU students coming to Scotland in 2019/20 to get free tuition, despite Brexit - Great news, keeping faith with EU students and the rich diversity of world leading Scottish higher education"
Couldn't mark his neck with a blow torch.
Maybe he learned things and changed his opinion? Are these policies what have been campaigned for and thus supported their election to government? "
What do you believe he could've learned that changed his opinion? He's been told that the SNP are now very pro EU so no criticism etc is allowed (it's actually written into the SNP's constitution that you can't criticise the party or it's decisions).
As for the policy being campaigned for, it would've been included in one of their manifestos in the past but I'm not sure the relevance. Are you suggesting that we don't analyse, criticise or question any of the policies of the government? |
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By *andACouple
over a year ago
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What do you believe he could've learned that changed his opinion? He's been told that the SNP are now very pro EU so no criticism etc is allowed (it's actually written into the SNP's constitution that you can't criticise the party or it's decisions).
As for the policy being campaigned for, it would've been included in one of their manifestos in the past but I'm not sure the relevance. Are you suggesting that we don't analyse, criticise or question any of the policies of the government?"
Labour and the Lib Dems actually reviewed tuition fees and replaced them with a graduate endowment instead. The SNP scrapped the graduate endowment when they came to power |
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As far as im aware Irish students get free tuition in Scottish unis.
In Ireland most students are 17/18 when they go to college or uni.
A lot of degrees here are 3years though some level 8 science and engineering degrees such as civil engineering are 4 year.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"As far as im aware Irish students get free tuition in Scottish unis.
In Ireland most students are 17/18 when they go to college or uni.
A lot of degrees here are 3years though some level 8 science and engineering degrees such as civil engineering are 4 year.
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EU Ireland (republic of Ireland) would be entitled yes, as they are part of EU.
Northern Ireland, England & Wales are not entitled to free education in Scotland, they have to Pay |
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I know a lot of people go to Edinburgh for civils as its apparently easier to get an honours degree there than the Irish colleges though im told unfortunately the honors in civil there is not recognized by engineers Ireland |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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University applications from 18-year-olds who live in the poorest parts of Scotland have fallen for the first time in a decade
"The application rate for applicants living in the most advantaged areas in Scotland increased by 1.9%, widening the gap between the most and least."
The figures also showed a 1% rise in the total number of applications to Scottish universities, with a 1% decrease in the overall number applying to UK institutions.
Meanwhile, the number of applications to Scotland from international students from outside of the EU increased by 13%
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The SNP policy of 'free' education is a total failure when you look at outcomes. It's a disaster.
Also, let's look at what the ex education minister (Mike Russel) said about EU students back in 2011 (when he was anti-EU)
"Mr Russell said: "I have long had concerns about the subsidy we pay for EU students.
The numbers have almost doubled over the last decade - the cost to the Scottish taxpayer stands at £75m.
So I also intend to explore further, within the boundaries of European law, the possibility of reducing this."
He wrote to the EU: "I would welcome the opportunity to discuss this issue with you with a view to finding an equitable solution that allows Scottish ministers to charge appropriate fees on the same basis to all students coming from outwith Scotland.”
Let's look at his latest statement now that the SNP are supposedly very pro EU:
"EU students coming to Scotland in 2019/20 to get free tuition, despite Brexit - Great news, keeping faith with EU students and the rich diversity of world leading Scottish higher education"
Couldn't mark his neck with a blow torch.
Maybe he learned things and changed his opinion? Are these policies what have been campaigned for and thus supported their election to government?
What do you believe he could've learned that changed his opinion? He's been told that the SNP are now very pro EU so no criticism etc is allowed (it's actually written into the SNP's constitution that you can't criticise the party or it's decisions).
As for the policy being campaigned for, it would've been included in one of their manifestos in the past but I'm not sure the relevance. Are you suggesting that we don't analyse, criticise or question any of the policies of the government?"
Pro EU
The snp campaigned not to join the EU in the first place !!!
They see the eu as now a better bet against evil Westminster! !!! |
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
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"Why does it take Scottish kids 4 years to learn what English, Welsh and Northern Irish kids learn in 3 years?
Because theoretically they go to uni a year earlier than English students.
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The ‘A’ levels that are done in England, Wales and N Ireland are a higher level than Scottish highers. Degrees are therefore 3 years in E, W and N I and 4 years in Scotland.
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