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Scottish government were right on the brexit impact papers they did

By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

New leak

The UK Government's Own Brexit Analysis Says The UK Will Be Worse Off In Every Scenario Outside The EU

why is the PM not making the analysis public ?

The Scottish government brexit impact paper were right then Scotland faces being 12 billion a year worse of staying in a UK brexit

Now i know all the pro unionists are gonna fo mental on their attack if Scotland leave the UK Scotland would be even worse off so question is what are the solutions to make sure Scotland doesnt end up 12 billion a year worse off ?

Now my solution would be for Scotland to have a legalling binding independence referendum to allow People living in Scotland to decide what they want if you believe Scotland will be even worse off out of the UK fair enough the unionists can put forward that case in a independence referendum and people can decide if they believe that or not

Its interesting though that there is a solution for Scotland to avoid being 12 billion a year worse off

Yet unionists on here have bugger all solution on how to make sure Scotland doesnt end up being 12 billion a year worse off in a UK brexit just happy enough just to accept it if it means keeping Scotland in the union

Even more interesting most on here dont even live in Scotland and think they know whats best for Scotland UK dictatorship at its best lol

So anyone came up with a solution yet ?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Would it make any difference what anyone actually says in any threads because you are or appear to not capable of accepting other's opinions..

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

Which is the bigger number?

£12 million or £40 million?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Would it make any difference what anyone actually says in any threads because you are or appear to not capable of accepting other's opinions..

Ok then give me your opinion what is the solution to make sure Scotland will not suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a uk brexit ?

I fully understand people will not agree with my solution fair enough

I people now talking about a 2nd EU referendum funny those same people seem happy to deny a new independence referendum which there is a mandate for lol

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Which is the bigger number?

£12 million or £40 million?"

Thats your opinion

Now whats the solution to make sure Scotland doesnt end up 12 billion a year worse off ? Come i would love to hear this

So far most people seem ok just to shrug their shoulders and just accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off which is shocking where is the family of nations where is the caring sharing UK ?

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

You want out of the family tho so why are you bothered

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Unionists have a big problem with this

How to solve the square hole

Lets put independence to one side even though its my solution

Lets deal with the problem unionists do not like

So what solution to make sure Scotland do NOT suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But the analysis is not really true is it

Its a model done by economists who are pro SNP and Pro indy

So just another mystic meg forecast

I read somewhere Scotland trades up to 4 times more with the rest of the UK than with the EU So maybe concentrate on home grown deals

How about answering the £40 billion dollar question

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

Scotland had a referendum and decided to stay in the union.

So the best thing to do is all work together and make the UK a success once we have left the EU.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Scottish government deserve great credit for having conducted this research before the UK government did.

It's shocking that the Tories rubbished the Scottish government while sitting on their report that came to the same conclusions

Cant really blame for people in Scitland to be worried facing being worse off in a UK hard brexit and when asked how would you stop this the answers you get is oh well accept it

Or the other is fight with the rest of the UK to stay in the single market and customs union ok fair enough but what happens if the final deal on brexit is 100% going to be a hard brexit then what ? As it appears those on here are saying just accept it and we dont want you leaving the UK even though its not for people outside Scotland to decide that

That will be upto people in Scotland to decide its on future some people may believe your claims Scotland will be even more worse off out the UK that would be upto the no side to put that case forward to the people of Scotland in a binding referendum

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Scotland had a referendum and decided to stay in the union.

So the best thing to do is all work together and make the UK a success once we have left the EU."

Ah right so Scotland had a referendum and screw your mandate to have another one eh ? Is that democracy in action ?

Ok square hole how do you solve if its 100% a hard brexit that then leaves Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off ?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Unionists have a big problem with this

How to solve the square hole

Lets put independence to one side even though its my solution

Lets deal with the problem unionists do not like

So what solution to make sure Scotland do NOT suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit ?

Your solution is to make them £40bn poorer, you must fuckin hate the Scots!

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

"Scotland had a referendum and decided to stay in the union.

So the best thing to do is all work together and make the UK a success once we have left the EU.

Ah right so Scotland had a referendum and screw your mandate to have another one eh ? Is that democracy in action ?

Ok square hole how do you solve if its 100% a hard brexit that then leaves Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off ?

So you do not accept the will of the Scottish people and you want another referendum?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Unionists have a big problem with this

How to solve the square hole

Lets put independence to one side even though its my solution

Lets deal with the problem unionists do not like

So what solution to make sure Scotland do NOT suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit ?

Your solution is to make them £40bn poorer, you must fuckin hate the Scots!

Ah CLCC thats your opinion

Now lets hear your solution to make sure Scotland doesnt suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a uk hard brexit eh ?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Scotland had a referendum and decided to stay in the union.

So the best thing to do is all work together and make the UK a success once we have left the EU.

Ah right so Scotland had a referendum and screw your mandate to have another one eh ? Is that democracy in action ?

Ok square hole how do you solve if its 100% a hard brexit that then leaves Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off ?

So you do not accept the will of the Scottish people and you want another referendum?"

How am i not respecting the 2014 independence ? It was a no vote back in 2014 and Scotland is not an independent country

However since then Scottish voters have given the Scottish government a mandate and in Holyrood the MSPs have given the Scottish government a mandate to have a legally binding independence referendum and the section 30 order has still to be handed over it will once the final brexit deal is known though

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"New leak

The UK Government's Own Brexit Analysis Says The UK Will Be Worse Off In Every Scenario Outside The EU

why is the PM not making the analysis public ?

The Scottish government brexit impact paper were right then Scotland faces being 12 billion a year worse of staying in a UK brexit

Its interesting though that there is a solution for Scotland to avoid being 12 billion a year worse off

Even more interesting most on here dont even live in Scotland and think they know whats best for Scotland UK dictatorship at its best lol

So anyone came up with a solution yet ?

Brexiters do not. Fucking. Care. Centaur even posted in one of the other threads today saying so.

Facts, reason, nothing works.

In this ultimate act of selfishness, misplaced nationalism and self harm they now sit smug, happy, and content to let the half who didn't vote for this bollocks to make it work for them.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"New leak

The UK Government's Own Brexit Analysis Says The UK Will Be Worse Off In Every Scenario Outside The EU

why is the PM not making the analysis public ?

The Scottish government brexit impact paper were right then Scotland faces being 12 billion a year worse of staying in a UK brexit

Its interesting though that there is a solution for Scotland to avoid being 12 billion a year worse off

Even more interesting most on here dont even live in Scotland and think they know whats best for Scotland UK dictatorship at its best lol

So anyone came up with a solution yet ?

As far as the so called government leak exposed by Buzzfeed goes take it with a huge pinch of salt. All of the treasury forecasts about Brexit have so far turned out to be wrong and have been on the overly pessimistic side, when the reality in the fullness of time has revealed the UK economy has consistently outperformed the experts expectations.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Lets honestly take indpendence to one side right now because i feel like the square hole problem unionists have is being ignored and trying to have a dig at independence each time

So come on solve the problem if the final deal on brexit is to be 100% a hard brexit and it wont change on that what solution is there to make sure Scotland does not suffer being 12 billion a year worse off ?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"New leak

The UK Government's Own Brexit Says The UK Will Be Worse Off In Every Scenario Outside The EU

why is the PM not making the analysis public ?

The Scottish government brexit impact paper were right then Scotland faces being 12 billion a year worse of staying in a UK brexit

Its interesting though that there is a solution for Scotland to avoid being 12 billion a year worse off

Even more interesting most on here dont even live in Scotland and think they know whats best for Scotland UK dictatorship at its best lol

So anyone came up with a solution yet ?

If brexit is going to be good Centaur why are the UK government to afarid to show the public the analysis?

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

"Lets honestly take indpendence to one side right now because i feel like the square hole problem unionists have is being ignored and trying to have a dig at independence each time

OK, how about the people of Scotland pay the same presciption charges as the people of England. £8.60 as of April 2018.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

Also hugely misleading thread title OP. The Scottish government haven't been proven right about anything. It's an economic forecast, a prediction, basically a guess about the future. As the future hasn't happened yet and we haven't actually left the EU yet it's completely false to say the Scottish government have been proved right. Only once we have left the EU and then the hard data can be looked at in real time, can we then see who is proven right, or indeed proven wrong.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Lets honestly take indpendence to one side right now because i feel like the square hole problem unionists have is being ignored and trying to have a dig at independence each time

OK, how about the people of Scotland pay the same presciption charges as the people of England. £8.60 as of April 2018.

Nope sick as fuck the idea asking people that are ill no fault of their own to pay for presciptions

They will stay free in Scotland

Thats very Tory answer you gave there

Try again this time dont be silly

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Unionists have a big problem with this

How to solve the square hole

Lets put independence to one side even though its my solution

Lets deal with the problem unionists do not like

So what solution to make sure Scotland do NOT suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit ?

Your solution is to make them £40bn poorer, you must fuckin hate the Scots!

Ah CLCC thats your opinion

Now lets hear your solution to make sure Scotland doesnt suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a uk hard brexit eh ?

No Kinky, its not my opinion. That was the conclusion of the civil service, the same civil service that write your £12bn a year paper. If you believe one, then you believe both.

Now grow up, its completely fucking obvious that splitting with partners of decades will have a negative impact on the economy, it is even more obvious that splitting with a partner of centuries will have an even bigger impact on your economy.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Also hugely misleading thread title OP. The Scottish government haven't been proven right about anything. It's an economic forecast, a prediction, basically a guess about the future. As the future hasn't happened yet and we haven't actually left the EU yet it's completely false to say the Scottish government have been proved right. Only once we have left the EU and then the hard data can be looked at in real time, can we then see who is proven right, or indeed proven wrong. "

Centaur i will ask this if its a hard brexit and the Scottish government impact papers are true and Scotlands faces 12 billion a year worse off will you be happy to accept that ? If not what is your solution to make sure Scotland does not suffer this ?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Unionists have a big problem with this

How to solve the square hole

Lets put independence to one side even though its my solution

Lets deal with the problem unionists do not like

So what solution to make sure Scotland do NOT suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit ?

Your solution is to make them £40bn poorer, you must fuckin hate the Scots!

Ah CLCC thats your opinion

Now lets hear your solution to make sure Scotland doesnt suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a uk hard brexit eh ?

No Kinky, its not my opinion. That was the conclusion of the civil service, the same civil service that write your £12bn a year paper. If you believe one, then you believe both.

Yet again no answer

CLCC what is your solution to make sure Scotland do NOT suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit ? I know unionists tricks try and deflect and talk about independence how ironic eh but come on stick to it what solution do you think Scotland gas to make sure it doesnt end up 12 bilkion a year worse off ?

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

"Lets honestly take indpendence to one side right now because i feel like the square hole problem unionists have is being ignored and trying to have a dig at independence each time

OK, how about the people of Scotland pay the same presciption charges as the people of England. £8.60 as of April 2018.

Nope sick as fuck the idea asking people that are ill no fault of their own to pay for presciptions

They will stay free in Scotland

Thats very Tory answer you gave there

Try again this time dont be silly "

If your not willing to help yourself out why the fuck should other people help you!

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Lets honestly take indpendence to one side right now because i feel like the square hole problem unionists have is being ignored and trying to have a dig at independence each time

OK, how about the people of Scotland pay the same presciption charges as the people of England. £8.60 as of April 2018.

Nope sick as fuck the idea asking people that are ill no fault of their own to pay for presciptions

They will stay free in Scotland

Thats very Tory answer you gave there

Try again this time dont be silly

If your not willing to help yourself out why the fuck should other people help you!

Ouch not very caring of you

Like i said Scotland has free presciptions at the point of need we will not follow England on that nasty thing of asking people to pay from presciptions sick as fuck England and Wales should follow Scotlands lead and have free presciptions Have a heart!

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

I would also add that so far the vast majority of forecasts and predictions about Brexit have turned out to be wrong. A number of forecasts and predictions about the effect of a Leave vote (not actually leaving the EU but just by the effects of a leave vote on its own) were made and now we have the hard data to look at following the leave vote those predictions and forecasts have turned out to be false and wrong.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

Sorry but I just don't believe the £12 billion worse off figure. It's nonsense and is nothing more than a wild guess. As I already said the vast majority of forecasts and predictions about Brexit have so far been proven to be false and wrong.

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

"Lets honestly take indpendence to one side right now because i feel like the square hole problem unionists have is being ignored and trying to have a dig at independence each time

OK, how about the people of Scotland pay the same presciption charges as the people of England. £8.60 as of April 2018.

Nope sick as fuck the idea asking people that are ill no fault of their own to pay for presciptions

They will stay free in Scotland

Thats very Tory answer you gave there

Try again this time dont be silly

If your not willing to help yourself out why the fuck should other people help you!

Ouch not very caring of you

You could alway introduce tuition fees instead them!

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Centaur ok you dont believe it fai enough thats not what i asked though

I asked you Centaur if its true with a hard brexit Scotland will end up 12 billion a year worse off will YOU be happy to accept this ? IF not what is your solution to make sure this wont happen to Scotland

Now read carefully i said "if true" i get you dont believe it is true but lets just say it is as you are keen to say none of us know the future then you dont know that yiur brexit is going to be the sunshine and rainbows then so try answering it

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Lets honestly take indpendence to one side right now because i feel like the square hole problem unionists have is being ignored and trying to have a dig at independence each time

OK, how about the people of Scotland pay the same presciption charges as the people of England. £8.60 as of April 2018.

Nope sick as fuck the idea asking people that are ill no fault of their own to pay for presciptions

They will stay free in Scotland

Thats very Tory answer you gave there

Try again this time dont be silly

If your not willing to help yourself out why the fuck should other people help you!

Ouch not very caring of you

You could alway introduce tuition fees instead them!"

So your answer is to punish Scotland students and make them pay £9,000 in tuition fees no thanks we will keep them free we in Scotland do not want Tory policies

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Unionists have a big problem with this

How to solve the square hole

Lets put independence to one side even though its my solution

Lets deal with the problem unionists do not like

So what solution to make sure Scotland do NOT suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit ?

Your solution is to make them £40bn poorer, you must fuckin hate the Scots!

Ah CLCC thats your opinion

Now lets hear your solution to make sure Scotland doesnt suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a uk hard brexit eh ?

No Kinky, its not my opinion. That was the conclusion of the civil service, the same civil service that write your £12bn a year paper. If you believe one, then you believe both.

Yet again no answer

The only solution to stop the pain of brexit is to stop brexit! Jesus, use yer heid!

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

"Lets honestly take indpendence to one side right now because i feel like the square hole problem unionists have is being ignored and trying to have a dig at independence each time

OK, how about the people of Scotland pay the same presciption charges as the people of England. £8.60 as of April 2018.

Nope sick as fuck the idea asking people that are ill no fault of their own to pay for presciptions

They will stay free in Scotland

Thats very Tory answer you gave there

Try again this time dont be silly

If your not willing to help yourself out why the fuck should other people help you!

Ouch not very caring of you

You could alway introduce tuition fees instead them!

So your answer is to punish Scotland students and make them pay £9,000 in tuition fees no thanks we will keep them free we in Scotland do not want Tory policies

I never mentioned a figure!

That would be up to you to cover the so called deficit.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Unionists have a big problem with this

How to solve the square hole

Lets put independence to one side even though its my solution

Lets deal with the problem unionists do not like

So what solution to make sure Scotland do NOT suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit ?

Your solution is to make them £40bn poorer, you must fuckin hate the Scots!

Ah CLCC thats your opinion

Now lets hear your solution to make sure Scotland doesnt suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a uk hard brexit eh ?

No Kinky, its not my opinion. That was the conclusion of the civil service, the same civil service that write your £12bn a year paper. If you believe one, then you believe both.

Yet again no answer

The only solution to stop the pain of brexit is to stop brexit! Jesus, use yer heid!"

Your not getting CLCC what happens if it is NOT stopped and is going to be 100% a hard brexit then what ? What is the solution to make sure Scotland does not suffer being 12 billion worse off ?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Lets honestly take indpendence to one side right now because i feel like the square hole problem unionists have is being ignored and trying to have a dig at independence each time

OK, how about the people of Scotland pay the same presciption charges as the people of England. £8.60 as of April 2018.

Nope sick as fuck the idea asking people that are ill no fault of their own to pay for presciptions

They will stay free in Scotland

Thats very Tory answer you gave there

Try again this time dont be silly

If your not willing to help yourself out why the fuck should other people help you!

Ouch not very caring of you

You could alway introduce tuition fees instead them!

So your answer is to punish Scotland students and make them pay £9,000 in tuition fees no thanks we will keep them free we in Scotland do not want Tory policies

I never mentioned a figure!

That would be up to you to cover the so called deficit. "

No thanks Scotland will keep free tuition imagine wanting to punish students to cover a hard brexit news flash they are not pawns in your wee game this is human beings

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS over a year ago

Burton on Trent

Because the Bank of England, immediately after the vote put in measures to mitigate the effects of the economic hit after the vote.

The pound has rallied against the dollar, but is still below the level it was at pre-referendum against the euro. That is what is driving the exports and job creation that you like to crow about.

As soon as we leave proper, and tariffs come into play then that all stops. That's when things will start to bite. Not now.

So enjoy your short term win. Perhaps you can be all happy about it when you meet people who you've cost jobs in a few years time?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

That is the equivalent of 'if my Uncle has a sex change and if they decide to go to the local ball if one is arranged what colour dress should they wear?'..

and if not why are you against sex changes..

ffs ..

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Quite interesting and very telling still yet to see one answer

On how to solve the square hole problem

If the final brexit deal is to be a hard brexit and it wont change meaning as the UK leaves the EU its 100% a hard brexit and Scotland is 12 billion a year worse off how do you solve that to make sure that does NOT happen to Scotland ?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Unionists have a big problem with this

How to solve the square hole

Lets put independence to one side even though its my solution

Lets deal with the problem unionists do not like

So what solution to make sure Scotland do NOT suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit ?

Your solution is to make them £40bn poorer, you must fuckin hate the Scots!

Ah CLCC thats your opinion

Now lets hear your solution to make sure Scotland doesnt suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a uk hard brexit eh ?

No Kinky, its not my opinion. That was the conclusion of the civil service, the same civil service that write your £12bn a year paper. If you believe one, then you believe both.

Yet again no answer

The only solution to stop the pain of brexit is to stop brexit! Jesus, use yer heid!

Your not getting CLCC what happens if it is NOT stopped and is going to be 100% a hard brexit then what ? What is the solution to make sure Scotland does not suffer being 12 billion worse off ? "

if its not stopped, then you’ll be poorer. Its quite fucking simple.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

The main focus should be on all countries that will lose out - divide and conquer is a game for the myopically challenged

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Unionists have a big problem with this

How to solve the square hole

Lets put independence to one side even though its my solution

Lets deal with the problem unionists do not like

So what solution to make sure Scotland do NOT suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit ?

Your solution is to make them £40bn poorer, you must fuckin hate the Scots!

Ah CLCC thats your opinion

Now lets hear your solution to make sure Scotland doesnt suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a uk hard brexit eh ?

No Kinky, its not my opinion. That was the conclusion of the civil service, the same civil service that write your £12bn a year paper. If you believe one, then you believe both.

Yet again no answer

The only solution to stop the pain of brexit is to stop brexit! Jesus, use yer heid!

Your not getting CLCC what happens if it is NOT stopped and is going to be 100% a hard brexit then what ? What is the solution to make sure Scotland does not suffer being 12 billion worse off ?

if its not stopped, then you’ll be poorer. Its quite fucking simple."

So CLCC no solution then ? Just happy enough to tell people in Scotland if its a hard brexit tough shit just accept it ?

Do you believe its upto the people of Scotland to decide their own future ?

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

"Quite interesting and very telling still yet to see one answer

On how to solve the square hole problem

I've given you two ideas so far but you're just not interested in discussing them.

All you are interested in is someone handing you free money!

Your original post/question is pointless..!

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

let ask the question that kinky refuses to answer... bearing in mind the same source , the UK civil service was used for both reports.....

so if you are going to use one set of figures, you have to assume the same people and methods were used for BOTH reports...

So kinky, would you rather be 12 billion a year worse off under a hard brexit..... or 40 billion a year worse off under independence????

or to put it another way... would you take independence even though it would make the country 28 billion pounds a year poorer?

i'll wait for your answer.... but like the last 10 days i think you'll dodge.....

in fact..... if you do finally answer the question.... I'll donate 12 pounds (1 for each billion for the point you are trying to make but doing so spectactually badly) to a charity of your choice!

don't let me down....

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"The main focus should be on all countries that will lose out - divide and conquer is a game for the myopically challenged "

Sorry but why the fuck should Scotland suffer being 12 billion a year worse off when a government we didnt vote for is hell bend on taking tge whole UK out on a non binding EU referendum ? Again sorry but Scotland is not gonna go waiting and hoping England changes its mind as tvat may never happen

We in Scotland have to look up for iur best interests they come first and we can only hope England changes its mind but am i hell waiting about and hoping England does change its mind not when we have a mandate in Scotland get avoid brexit

Best is you could move to Scotland and avoid brexit yourself tou would be more than welcome we in Scotland couldnt give a flying fuck where you are born if you wanna call Scotland your home then by god to us your fucking Scottish lol

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

No no Fabio this is bullshit

Unionists are shit feart to answer how the will aolve the square hole problem they have time to answer put independence to one side i know that is my solution and you have been told this nany a time

Now can tou come up with clear solution if a hard brexit is to happen and Scotland faces being 12 billion a year worse off how do you solve that to make sure that will NOT happen ?

Again this is very telling that people outside of Scotland think they know whats best for Scotland and seem happy to accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off just to keep Scotland tied down to the UK are you that afraid to lose Scotlands money eh ? Wgata tge solution eh ? I keep on seeing you all put you dont wanna see Scotland 12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit ok prove it out your money where your mouth is then whats the solution ?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Unionists have a big problem with this

How to solve the square hole

Lets put independence to one side even though its my solution

Lets deal with the problem unionists do not like

So what solution to make sure Scotland do NOT suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit ?

Your solution is to make them £40bn poorer, you must fuckin hate the Scots!

Ah CLCC thats your opinion

Now lets hear your solution to make sure Scotland doesnt suffer being 12 billion a year worse off in a uk hard brexit eh ?

No Kinky, its not my opinion. That was the conclusion of the civil service, the same civil service that write your £12bn a year paper. If you believe one, then you believe both.

Yet again no answer

The only solution to stop the pain of brexit is to stop brexit! Jesus, use yer heid!

Your not getting CLCC what happens if it is NOT stopped and is going to be 100% a hard brexit then what ? What is the solution to make sure Scotland does not suffer being 12 billion worse off ?

if its not stopped, then you’ll be poorer. Its quite fucking simple.

So CLCC no solution then ? Just happy enough to tell people in Scotland if its a hard brexit tough shit just accept it ?

Do you believe its upto the people of Scotland to decide their own future ? "

The solution is to stop brexit. brexit is a shit idea, the only way to make it not shit, is for it not to happen. Scotland does decide its own future, at every election and referendum. Why do you believe that deciding their future is a one time event?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think brexiters and the SNP would be had pressed to put a price on independence.Because independence is priceless.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Scotland had a referendum and decided to stay in the union.

So the best thing to do is all work together and make the UK a success once we have left the EU."

Well said _hybloke67, nice to see someone talking sense

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

whats your solution?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

his acttually goes to anyone

I keep on seeing you all put you dont wanna see Scotland 12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit ok prove it put your money where your mouth is

What is your solution then to make sure this does not happen for Scotland mind now this is for a hard brexit final deal and will not change how do you solve it ?

As its clear people outside of Scotland seem happy just to accept this prove me wrong

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A referendum always solves shit.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"A referendum always solves shit."

That can be read 2 ways

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

It would appear on here you have the... well if England is going to leave the EU on a hard brexit then Scotland we are dragging you with us even if it costs you being 12 billion a year worse off being in a UK hard brexit so be it attitude

So much for the family of nations that unionists clame they care about Scotland but when ut comes down to it you will be happy to see Scotland worse off in a hard brexit to have Scotland tied down to the UK when its not upto anyone outside to dictate Scotlands future you get no say what our future will be sorry but fact

Now as i have said when the final brexit deal is known and if its a hard brexit Scotland has a mandate to have a legally binding independence referendum you may not like it but thats democracy in action yes UK government could refuse to agree on the section 30 order but here is something to remember the UK government have NO LEGAL POWER to stop a independence referendum from happening in Scotland it may be non binding but hey if the UK government want to play that game then go ahead as they would look like dumb fucks trying to take the UK out of the EU on a non binding referendum and they refuse to accpet the result in a non binding independence referendum as is it not the will of the people ? Lol

So again this is why the PM will not refuse the section 30 order as its in their best interest to grant a legally binding independence referendum and put their case why Scotland should stay in Scotland which i have no problem with

Where is this UK democracy i keep hearing about ? Not like it when the UK union is under threat of ending and losing Scotlands money ? Lol

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Scottish government deserve great credit for having conducted this research before the UK government did.

It's shocking that the Tories rubbished the Scottish government while sitting on their report that came to the same conclusions

Cant really blame for people in Scitland to be worried facing being worse off in a UK hard brexit and when asked how would you stop this the answers you get is oh well accept it

I fully accept that, whilst legally it is in the gift of the UK government, it is currently a decision for the Scottish people to make themselves. However that does not mean that it won't effect us nor that we don't have an opinion on the matter. If you don't want our opinion that's fine but then why don't you simply stop asking us all for our opinions?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"not upto anyone outside to dictate Scotlands future you get no say what our future will be sorry but fact”

Thats not true, and not a fact. The MPs at Westminster get to decide that. Sorry! Ha, Im not sorry at all, I fucking love point that shit out to you!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wasn't aware that the people of Scotland were crying that they had been dealt a bad hand

I must drink in the wrong bars and socialise with the wrong people, haven't heard anyone say,

"oh we voted remain" and England are making us leave

Majority of Scots I know and socialise with voted to leave, and if any voted "remain" they tend to keep very quiete about it

I believe its only the SNP that are spitting the dummy

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"No no Fabio this is bullshit

Unionists are shit feart to answer how the will aolve the square hole problem they have time to answer put independence to one side i know that is my solution and you have been told this nany a time

Now can tou come up with clear solution if a hard brexit is to happen and Scotland faces being 12 billion a year worse off how do you solve that to make sure that will NOT happen ?

so basically you still could answer the simple question for charity....

thats really, really sad............

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Scottish government deserve great credit for having conducted this research before the UK government did.

It's shocking that the Tories rubbished the Scottish government while sitting on their report that came to the same conclusions

Cant really blame for people in Scitland to be worried facing being worse off in a UK hard brexit and when asked how would you stop this the answers you get is oh well accept it

Gift ? Tell me does the UK government have legal power to stop a referendum taking place on Scottish independence even if Scotland does not have permission from the UK government ?

Would it not be in the best interest to agree on the section 30 order and grant a legally binding independence referendum where the no side can put forward their case to keep Scotland in the UK ?

Now i know your claiming Scotland will be worse off out of the UK fair enough thats your opinion and i am sure the no side will put that case forward in an independence referendum but at the end of the day that will be for the people living in Scotland to decide Scotland's future you may have some agree with you fair enough but fact remains its upto Scotland to decide our own future

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

""not upto anyone outside to dictate Scotlands future you get no say what our future will be sorry but fact”

Thats not true, and not a fact. The MPs at Westminster get to decide that. Sorry! Ha, Im not sorry at all, I fucking love point that shit out to you!

Oh really tell me what legal power would they have to stop an non binding independence referendum then ? You so sure about that eh! lol

All they have legal power on is to agree or refuse the section 30 order to grant a legally binding referendum correct ? They cant stop a referendum from taking place what then gonna send in the English police to beat the shit of Scottish people that wont look good lol

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

""not upto anyone outside to dictate Scotlands future you get no say what our future will be sorry but fact”

Thats not true, and not a fact. The MPs at Westminster get to decide that. Sorry! Ha, Im not sorry at all, I fucking love point that shit out to you!

Oh really tell me what legal power would they have to stop an non binding independence referendum then ? You so sure about that eh! lol

Only Westminster can grant independence. Thems the facts.

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

If Scotland stays in the Union they leave the EU with the rest of us.

If Scotland have Another referendum they still leave the EU.

Scotland are not in the EU the United Kingdom is which happens to be leaving!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Lets honestly take indpendence to one side right now because i feel like the square hole problem unionists have is being ignored and trying to have a dig at independence each time

I know you won't like me saying so but your £12 billion figure is the worst case 100% hard BREXIT. We already know, despite what the brextremists say, that with the already agreed "regularity alignment" between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland and Great Britain (which means in reality "regularly alignment" between the UK and the EU) that there are only two forms of BREXIT possible now and they are no BREXIT or fake BREXIT (aka BINO - BREXIT In Name Only). Your scenario of a £12 billion hard BREXIT is already off the table. The solution to you square hole is, and was always, don't do hard BREXIT and we're not. That seems to me to be a far better solution to the £12 billion hard BREXIT problem than your £40 billion best case Scottish independence solution.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

""not upto anyone outside to dictate Scotlands future you get no say what our future will be sorry but fact”

Thats not true, and not a fact. The MPs at Westminster get to decide that. Sorry! Ha, Im not sorry at all, I fucking love point that shit out to you!

Oh really tell me what legal power would they have to stop an non binding independence referendum then ? You so sure about that eh! lol

Only Westminster can grant independence. Thems the facts.

Right so if a referendum took place without Westminster permission and a yes vote was the result how dumb do you think the UK government would then look ?

Again pointing out the UK government are hell bend on taking the whole of the UK out of the EU when their was no UK wide agreement and it was a non binding referendum on the EU. So if Scotland have its own non binding referendum on independence and a yes vote was returned how fucking stupid would it look to say the will of the people voted to leave the EU and we accept this and then turn round and say no we do not accept the will of the Scottish people voting for independence in a non binding referendum

Want to spell it out they would be up shit-creek

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

""not upto anyone outside to dictate Scotlands future you get no say what our future will be sorry but fact”

Thats not true, and not a fact. The MPs at Westminster get to decide that. Sorry! Ha, Im not sorry at all, I fucking love point that shit out to you!

Oh really tell me what legal power would they have to stop an non binding independence referendum then ? You so sure about that eh! lol

Only Westminster can grant independence. Thems the facts.

Right so if a referendum took place without Westminster permission and a yes vote was the result how dumb do you think the UK government would then look ?

Want to spell it out they would be up shit-creek"

How dumb did the Iraqi government look when they ignored the Kurdish referendum?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Scotland had a referendum and decided to stay in the union.

So the best thing to do is all work together and make the UK a success once we have left the EU.

Well said _hybloke67, nice to see someone talking sense

No. The best thing to do is accept that BREXIT was a terrible mistake which, with regularity alignment, will lead to the only real change possible being having absolutely no control over the regulations we will still have to aligned with, stop BREXIT totally, and all work together to make the UK the fastest growing economy in Europe as it was before we went BREXIT mad.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

This needs spelled out for some people as their are giving out false information on referendums

Scotland does NOT need Westminster permission to hold a referendum on independence fact!!!

The UK government have NO legal power to stop a referendum from tkaing place in Scotland

The government can agree or refuse a section 30 order once handed over thats the only legal power they have which they would be dumb to refuse as it plays into the pro indy hands so please by all means get your PM to refuse the section 30 order would look great on them lol

So in all nothing and i mean nothing can stop Scotland from having a referendum on independence but the UK government are best advised to grant a legal binding referendum on independence as it in their best interests as they then can put forward their case why Scotland should stay in the UK i have no problem with this

As the another road looks messy i mean could you imagine it Scotland having a referendum on independence and a yes vote being returned and then the UK government saying no they dont accept this what next are they going to send English people up to Scotland to beat the shit out of Scottish voters that only want to vote as it is their right to do so

Best to just allow a legally binding referendum eh ?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Scotland had a referendum and decided to stay in the union.

So the best thing to do is all work together and make the UK a success once we have left the EU.

Well said _hybloke67, nice to see someone talking sense

And if that doesnt happen and its a hard brexit then what ? Just accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off ?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"This needs spelled out for some people as their are giving out false information on referendums

Scotland does NOT need Westminster permission to hold a referendum on independence fact!!!

The UK government have NO legal power to stop a referendum from tkaing place in Scotland

Best to just allow a legally binding referendum eh ? "

Didn't make a difference in Spain or Iraq

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

BTW i hope you all notice Michelle Mone or should that be Lady unelected Mone attacking an SNP mp who was simply pointing out that Lady Mone has submitted no questions to the UK government and Record shows she voted fewer than 78 times - missing more than 60% of votes and this unelected woman has more power to decide things for Scotland than our own elected mps

There is your great UK where unelected fannys get more say than elected mps go figure eh

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"This needs spelled out for some people as their are giving out false information on referendums

Scotland does NOT need Westminster permission to hold a referendum on independence fact!!!

The UK government have NO legal power to stop a referendum from tkaing place in Scotland

Best to just allow a legally binding referendum eh ?

Didn't make a difference in Spain or Iraq

So its best to grant a legally binding independence referendum correct ? What do you have against allowing the Scottish people to decide our own future ? You do know the case for Scotland to stay in the UK will be put forward by the no side in a legally binding referendum on independence right ?

They refuse a section 30 order it will play into the pro indy sides hands go be my guest tell the PM refuse it lol

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Scottish government deserve great credit for having conducted this research before the UK government did.

It's shocking that the Tories rubbished the Scottish government while sitting on their report that came to the same conclusions

Cant really blame for people in Scitland to be worried facing being worse off in a UK hard brexit and when asked how would you stop this the answers you get is oh well accept it

Gift ? Tell me does the UK government have legal power to stop a referendum taking place on Scottish independence even if Scotland does not have permission from the UK government ?

Would it not be in the best interest to agree on the section 30 order and grant a legally binding independence referendum where the no side can put forward their case to keep Scotland in the UK ?

Why do you keep asking for our opinion and then, when we give it, keep telling us it's none of our business? Either you want our opinion or you don't. With the general constraint that I'm not in favour of referendum, I'm no more opposed to a second, third or forth Scottish Indy ref than any other. I accept the SNP's mandate to call one on its 2014 election result. I even accept that both currently and morally this is a natter for the Scottish people to decide, I'm actually agreeing with you on all of that.

I used the term 'gift' because, legally, while Scotland is a member of the UK it is ultimately in the gift of the UK parliament, not the Scottish parliament because, currently, the UK parliament is sovereign whilst the Scottish parliament is not. I think you're reading the word 'gift' as it was a present but 'gift' when used in the phrase "it's within the gift of something" has a very different meaning more akin to bestow.p

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Scottish government deserve great credit for having conducted this research before the UK government did.

It's shocking that the Tories rubbished the Scottish government while sitting on their report that came to the same conclusions

Cant really blame for people in Scitland to be worried facing being worse off in a UK hard brexit and when asked how would you stop this the answers you get is oh well accept it

Gift ? Tell me does the UK government have legal power to stop a referendum taking place on Scottish independence even if Scotland does not have permission from the UK government ?

Would it not be in the best interest to agree on the section 30 order and grant a legally binding independence referendum where the no side can put forward their case to keep Scotland in the UK ?

Again Scotland do not have to have permission from the UK government to hold a referendum on independence correct ?

The UK government only have power to grant or refuse a section 30 order correct ?

Btw its a breach of the treaty of the act of the union giving Scotland back its devolved parliament. I thought the whole point of the UK union was to unite the Kingdoms of Scotland and England and to have one parliament ?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

""not upto anyone outside to dictate Scotlands future you get no say what our future will be sorry but fact”

Thats not true, and not a fact. The MPs at Westminster get to decide that. Sorry! Ha, Im not sorry at all, I fucking love point that shit out to you!

Oh really tell me what legal power would they have to stop an non binding independence referendum then ? You so sure about that eh! lol

As the sovereign parliament of the UK, if they wanted the power to stop the Scottish parliament holding a referendum but didn't legally have that power currently then the UK parliament could simply change the law to give itself that power. I'm not saying it should or would, but it could. That's what being sovereign means.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

Because the Bank of England, immediately after the vote put in measures to mitigate the effects of the economic hit after the vote.

The pound has rallied against the dollar, but is still below the level it was at pre-referendum against the euro. That is what is driving the exports and job creation that you like to crow about.

As soon as we leave proper, and tariffs come into play then that all stops. That's when things will start to bite. Not now.

So enjoy your short term win. Perhaps you can be all happy about it when you meet people who you've cost jobs in a few years time? "

It was economists at The Bank of England who admitted to having a 'Michael Fish moment' on Brexit. The Bank of England got their forecasts and predictions about Brexit spectacularly wrong, having a 'Michael Fish moment' is just about the biggest admission of that you can get. As for the drop in the value of the pound the former governor of the Bank of England Mervyn King said the pound had been over valued for years and that the Bank of England had been trying to devalue the pound for years (unsuccessfully) before the Brexit vote.

As for these lost jobs you go on about that was another forecast the treasury got wrong. The Treasury said up to 500,000 jobs would be lost from the effects of a leave vote alone, when we now know the reality is the complete opposite has happened. Since the leave vote there has been an additional 250,000 jobs added to the economy more than there were on 23rd June 2016, so number of jobs have increased overall not gone down. Employment levels are currently very high in the UK and unemployment is currently at historic lows.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"This needs spelled out for some people as their are giving out false information on referendums

Scotland does NOT need Westminster permission to hold a referendum on independence fact!!!

The UK government have NO legal power to stop a referendum from tkaing place in Scotland

Best to just allow a legally binding referendum eh ?

Didn't make a difference in Spain or Iraq

They refuse a section 30 order it will play into the pro indy sides hands go be my guest tell the PM refuse it lol "

By Westminster granting a legal referendum, wouldn't that mean the people outside of Scotland deciding Scotland's fate?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Scotland had a referendum and decided to stay in the union.

So the best thing to do is all work together and make the UK a success once we have left the EU.

Well said _hybloke67, nice to see someone talking sense

And if that doesnt happen and its a hard brexit then what ? Just accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off ? "

If green pigs from Mars flew over Scotland with nuclear bombs to drop on it what would you do?

Green Pigs aren't going to fly over Scotland and neither is a UK hard BREXIT going to happen. Regularity Alignment has already been agreed, hard BREXIT is dead but you still want a £40 billion Scot Indy solution to a problem that has already been solved. Your square circle no longer exists and it's only the crazed nationalists (both UK and Scottish) that still hope and believe it hasn't.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Scotland had a referendum and decided to stay in the union.

So the best thing to do is all work together and make the UK a success once we have left the EU.

Well said _hybloke67, nice to see someone talking sense

And if that doesnt happen and its a hard brexit then what ? Just accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off ?

If green pigs from Mars flew over Scotland with nuclear bombs to drop on it what would you do?

So thats it no answer ? Meaning then you are happy to accept Scotland being 12 billion worse off in a hard brexit

Your not answering it and deflecting lol

Now try it if a hard brexit Does happen what solution is there to make sure Scotland does NOT face being 12 billion a year worse off ?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Scotland had a referendum and decided to stay in the union.

So the best thing to do is all work together and make the UK a success once we have left the EU.

Well said _hybloke67, nice to see someone talking sense

And if that doesnt happen and its a hard brexit then what ? Just accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off ?

If green pigs from Mars flew over Scotland with nuclear bombs to drop on it what would you do?

So thats it no answer ? Meaning then you are happy to accept Scotland being 12 billion worse off in a hard brexit

Your not answering it and deflecting lol

Now try it if a hard brexit Does happen what solution is there to make sure Scotland does NOT face being 12 billion a year worse off ? "

oh the feckin irony of you accusing someone else of not answering and deflecting..

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"This needs spelled out for some people as their are giving out false information on referendums

Scotland does NOT need Westminster permission to hold a referendum on independence fact!!!

The UK government have NO legal power to stop a referendum from tkaing place in Scotland

Best to just allow a legally binding referendum eh ?

Didn't make a difference in Spain or Iraq

They refuse a section 30 order it will play into the pro indy sides hands go be my guest tell the PM refuse it lol

By Westminster granting a legal referendum, wouldn't that mean the people outside of Scotland deciding Scotland's fate?"

No wow read that pish of what said over and see how dumb that is what you just said lol

Westminster granting a legally binding referendum is only granting a referendum then the FATE is over the the Scottish people to decide Scotland's future/fate!!!!!!!

No one outside of Scotland will be able to vote on a independence referendum that will be upto the people of Scotland

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Scotland had a referendum and decided to stay in the union.

So the best thing to do is all work together and make the UK a success once we have left the EU.

Well said _hybloke67, nice to see someone talking sense

And if that doesnt happen and its a hard brexit then what ? Just accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off ?

If green pigs from Mars flew over Scotland with nuclear bombs to drop on it what would you do?

So thats it no answer ? Meaning then you are happy to accept Scotland being 12 billion worse off in a hard brexit

Your not answering it and deflecting lol

Now try it if a hard brexit Does happen what solution is there to make sure Scotland does NOT face being 12 billion a year worse off ?

oh the feckin irony of you accusing someone else of not answering and deflecting..

Well consideing this is my thread and i started it off with asking people what solutions they have to make sure Scotland is not worse off and guess what still no answer stalling much ? Or is it no answer and willing to screw Scotland over just to keep Scotland tied down to the UK ? Prove me wrong name one solution then ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why can't people except we are leaving the EU no matter how much much they are against it, it's now about coming together and dealing something with and expecting what has happened and look to see how we can make it work for us rather than focusing on all the negatives

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By *utandbigMan over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Why can't people except we are leaving the EU no matter how much much they are against it, it's now about coming together and dealing something with and expecting what has happened and look to see how we can make it work for us rather than focusing on all the negatives "

We’re in the shit my friend nothing will change if and when we leave this party haven’t got a clue what to do

There will be no hard brexit yes it will upset the musketeers but that’s how it will be

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So seen as your in Scotland would you accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit ?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

We’re in the shit my friend nothing will change if and when we leave this party haven’t got a clue what to do

There will be no hard brexit yes it will upset the musketeers but that’s how it will be

And you know this how ? Have you seen the final brexit deal ? the UK government seem hell bend on saying the UK is coming out of the single market and customs union correct ? Backed also by Labour

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

"Scotland had a referendum and decided to stay in the union.

So the best thing to do is all work together and make the UK a success once we have left the EU.

Well said _hybloke67, nice to see someone talking sense

And if that doesnt happen and its a hard brexit then what ? Just accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off ?

If green pigs from Mars flew over Scotland with nuclear bombs to drop on it what would you do?

So thats it no answer ? Meaning then you are happy to accept Scotland being 12 billion worse off in a hard brexit

Your not answering it and deflecting lol

Now try it if a hard brexit Does happen what solution is there to make sure Scotland does NOT face being 12 billion a year worse off ?

oh the feckin irony of you accusing someone else of not answering and deflecting..

Stop lying.

I gave you two answers both of which you decide not to discuss or consider.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"This needs spelled out for some people as their are giving out false information on referendums

Scotland does NOT need Westminster permission to hold a referendum on independence fact!!!

The UK government have NO legal power to stop a referendum from tkaing place in Scotland

Best to just allow a legally binding referendum eh ?

Didn't make a difference in Spain or Iraq

They refuse a section 30 order it will play into the pro indy sides hands go be my guest tell the PM refuse it lol

By Westminster granting a legal referendum, wouldn't that mean the people outside of Scotland deciding Scotland's fate?

No wow read that pish of what said over and see how dumb that is what you just said lol

Westminster granting a legally binding referendum is only granting a referendum then the FATE is over the the Scottish people to decide Scotland's future/fate!!!!!!!

No one outside of Scotland will be able to vote on a independence referendum that will be upto the people of Scotland "

But it relies on those 700 in Westminster, right?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

We’re in the shit my friend nothing will change if and when we leave this party haven’t got a clue what to do

There will be no hard brexit yes it will upset the musketeers but that’s how it will be

And you know this how ? Have you seen the final brexit deal ? the UK government seem hell bend on saying the UK is coming out of the single market and customs union correct ? Backed also by Labour

We are leaving the EU single market, even the EU's chief negotiator Michel Barnier said this yesterday in his statement to the press. It's also written into the phase 1 negotiation agreement text that the UK is leaving the single market and the customs union and that agreement is now in the process of being made legally binding.

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS over a year ago

Burton on Trent

Because the Bank of England, immediately after the vote put in measures to mitigate the effects of the economic hit after the vote.

The pound has rallied against the dollar, but is still below the level it was at pre-referendum against the euro. That is what is driving the exports and job creation that you like to crow about.

As soon as we leave proper, and tariffs come into play then that all stops. That's when things will start to bite. Not now.

So enjoy your short term win. Perhaps you can be all happy about it when you meet people who you've cost jobs in a few years time?

The Michael Fish moment to which you refer was in relation to the crash of 2008. They admit they were wrong about the timeframe for the economic slowdown post brexit vote. But (as confirmed by today's leaked report) it will get worse once we actually leave. Because what is happening now, with the pound still being weak against the Euro, is like people panic buying before a storm.

And crowing about the referendum vote creating jobs in this way isn't exactly as wonderful as you think. Almost akin to causing a massive crash on the M6 and then saying "look at all the jobs I've created fixing these cars, the road, the extra insurance assessors etc".

We get that you're happy about the result. But your arguments are the worst sort of short term-ism.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"This needs spelled out for some people as their are giving out false information on referendums

Scotland does NOT need Westminster permission to hold a referendum on independence fact!!!

The UK government have NO legal power to stop a referendum from tkaing place in Scotland

Best to just allow a legally binding referendum eh ?

Didn't make a difference in Spain or Iraq

They refuse a section 30 order it will play into the pro indy sides hands go be my guest tell the PM refuse it lol

By Westminster granting a legal referendum, wouldn't that mean the people outside of Scotland deciding Scotland's fate?

No wow read that pish of what said over and see how dumb that is what you just said lol

Westminster granting a legally binding referendum is only granting a referendum then the FATE is over the the Scottish people to decide Scotland's future/fate!!!!!!!

No one outside of Scotland will be able to vote on a independence referendum that will be upto the people of Scotland

But it relies on those 700 in Westminster, right?"

On what ? Again your words was ''wouldn't that mean the people outside of Scotland deciding Scotland's fate?''

So CLCC are you telling me that English mps sitting in English seats can decide Scotland fate by voting for or against Scottish independence ? How does that work eh

Again the UK government can only grant an legally binding independence referendum they do not get to decide Scotland's fate that is the people of Scotland that will decide Scotland's fate

I am only quoting your words

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So seen as your in Scotland would you accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit ?"

So lets get this straight you actually believe that Scotland will be £12 billion worse off after Brexit,this coming from a prediction from economists, is that correct

And your on a swingers site asking English people what we would do about it and in the next breath telling us it has nothing to do with us

Why not just go in the Scottish forum and ask all the Scottish people in there what they think

After all its about Scotland and according to you us English are feart of giving you an answer

By the way any chance of answering the £40 billion question

Oh right this is your post so you wont be answering any credible questions from us English

Who's feart now

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

We’re in the shit my friend nothing will change if and when we leave this party haven’t got a clue what to do

There will be no hard brexit yes it will upset the musketeers but that’s how it will be

And you know this how ? Have you seen the final brexit deal ? the UK government seem hell bend on saying the UK is coming out of the single market and customs union correct ? Backed also by Labour

So if leaving the single market is what you want do you accept Scotland has a mandate to have a independence referendum so the Scottish people can decide if they agree to this or not ?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Scotland had a referendum and decided to stay in the union.

So the best thing to do is all work together and make the UK a success once we have left the EU.

Well said _hybloke67, nice to see someone talking sense

And if that doesnt happen and its a hard brexit then what ? Just accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off ?

If green pigs from Mars flew over Scotland with nuclear bombs to drop on it what would you do?

So thats it no answer ? Meaning then you are happy to accept Scotland being 12 billion worse off in a hard brexit

Your not answering it and deflecting lol

Now try it if a hard brexit Does happen what solution is there to make sure Scotland does NOT face being 12 billion a year worse off ?

oh the feckin irony of you accusing someone else of not answering and deflecting..

would prove me wrong answer the question on the £40 billion that you have ducked and evaded for the past few weeks be worth trying..

nope doubt it..

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So seen as your in Scotland would you accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit ?

So lets get this straight you actually believe that Scotland will be £12 billion worse off after Brexit,this coming from a prediction from economists, is that correct

And your on a swingers site asking English people what we would do about it and in the next breath telling us it has nothing to do with us

Why not just go in the Scottish forum and ask all the Scottish people in there what they think

After all its about Scotland and according to you us English are feart of giving you an answer

By the way any chance of answering the £40 billion question

Oh right this is your post so you wont be answering any credible questions from us English

Who's feart now"

Ah rattled the cage lol

1. the Scottish government economists have said it will cost Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off remember its not the SNP saying that its the economists. The UK government analyses leak is pretty much saying the UK is fucked in every way with leaving the EU

2. Am just pointing out that so many people outside of Scotland seem to know whats best for best so when asked what solution is there to Scotland not being faced with 12 billion a year worse off in ahard brexit no answer can be found therefore one can take that is that is them accepting Scotland being worse off to keep Scotland in the UK

3. This is a politics forum

4. there is no answer you seen one yet ?

5. see this the game and unionists try playing wee tricks not answering but expect you to answer every question but them not to answer you back

Am not feart so me an answer to my question then we shall talk

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

So seen as your in Scotland would you accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit ?

So lets get this straight you actually believe that Scotland will be £12 billion worse off after Brexit,this coming from a prediction from economists, is that correct

And your on a swingers site asking English people what we would do about it and in the next breath telling us it has nothing to do with us

Why not just go in the Scottish forum and ask all the Scottish people in there what they think

After all its about Scotland and according to you us English are feart of giving you an answer

By the way any chance of answering the £40 billion question

Oh right this is your post so you wont be answering any credible questions from us English

Who's feart now

Ah rattled the cage lol

3. This is a politics forum

4. there is no answer you seen one yet ?

5. see this the game and unionists try playing wee tricks not answering but expect you to answer every question but them not to answer you back

Am not feart so me an answer to my question then we shall talk "

Again you are ignoring the two answers I gave you earlier.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Scotland had a referendum and decided to stay in the union.

So the best thing to do is all work together and make the UK a success once we have left the EU.

Well said _hybloke67, nice to see someone talking sense

And if that doesnt happen and its a hard brexit then what ? Just accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off ?

If green pigs from Mars flew over Scotland with nuclear bombs to drop on it what would you do?

So thats it no answer ? Meaning then you are happy to accept Scotland being 12 billion worse off in a hard brexit

Your not answering it and deflecting lol

Now try it if a hard brexit Does happen what solution is there to make sure Scotland does NOT face being 12 billion a year worse off ?

oh the feckin irony of you accusing someone else of not answering and deflecting..

would prove me wrong answer the question on the £40 billion that you have ducked and evaded for the past few weeks be worth trying..

nope doubt it..

hold on you want me to answer that but fail to give a solution on what Scotland can do to avoid being 12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit ? Nah thanks i will wait to get an answer that unionists have ducked and evaded

if you have no answer just say ? But if you dont then i will take that to mean you are honestly willing to just accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"This needs spelled out for some people as their are giving out false information on referendums

Scotland does NOT need Westminster permission to hold a referendum on independence fact!!!

The UK government have NO legal power to stop a referendum from tkaing place in Scotland

Best to just allow a legally binding referendum eh ?

Didn't make a difference in Spain or Iraq

They refuse a section 30 order it will play into the pro indy sides hands go be my guest tell the PM refuse it lol

By Westminster granting a legal referendum, wouldn't that mean the people outside of Scotland deciding Scotland's fate?

No wow read that pish of what said over and see how dumb that is what you just said lol

Westminster granting a legally binding referendum is only granting a referendum then the FATE is over the the Scottish people to decide Scotland's future/fate!!!!!!!

No one outside of Scotland will be able to vote on a independence referendum that will be upto the people of Scotland

But it relies on those 700 in Westminster, right?

On what ? Again your words was ''wouldn't that mean the people outside of Scotland deciding Scotland's fate?''

So CLCC are you telling me that English mps sitting in English seats can decide Scotland fate by voting for or against Scottish independence ? How does that work eh

Again the UK government can only grant an legally binding independence referendum they do not get to decide Scotland's fate that is the people of Scotland that will decide Scotland's fate

I am only quoting your words "

Yes, the only voted that can change anything are the ones I Westminster

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So seen as your in Scotland would you accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit ?

So lets get this straight you actually believe that Scotland will be £12 billion worse off after Brexit,this coming from a prediction from economists, is that correct

And your on a swingers site asking English people what we would do about it and in the next breath telling us it has nothing to do with us

Why not just go in the Scottish forum and ask all the Scottish people in there what they think

After all its about Scotland and according to you us English are feart of giving you an answer

By the way any chance of answering the £40 billion question

Oh right this is your post so you wont be answering any credible questions from us English

Who's feart now

Ah rattled the cage lol

3. This is a politics forum

4. there is no answer you seen one yet ?

5. see this the game and unionists try playing wee tricks not answering but expect you to answer every question but them not to answer you back

Am not feart so me an answer to my question then we shall talk

Again you are ignoring the two answers I gave you earlier."

They are not answers they are piss poor and i told you we in Scotland do not want your Tory policies

You are wanting to punish the poor and ill and students to cover a hard brexit thats not welcome

So try again lol

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By *utandbigMan over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Scotland had a referendum and decided to stay in the union.

So the best thing to do is all work together and make the UK a success once we have left the EU.

Well said _hybloke67, nice to see someone talking sense

And if that doesnt happen and its a hard brexit then what ? Just accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off ?

If green pigs from Mars flew over Scotland with nuclear bombs to drop on it what would you do?

So thats it no answer ? Meaning then you are happy to accept Scotland being 12 billion worse off in a hard brexit

Your not answering it and deflecting lol

Now try it if a hard brexit Does happen what solution is there to make sure Scotland does NOT face being 12 billion a year worse off ?

oh the feckin irony of you accusing someone else of not answering and deflecting..

would prove me wrong answer the question on the £40 billion that you have ducked and evaded for the past few weeks be worth trying..

nope doubt it..

if you have no answer just say ? But if you dont then i will take that to mean you are honestly willing to just accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit "

None of us have the answer so it’s now finished

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

I hope every has seen CLCC comment he seems to think Westminster MPs get to decide Scotland fate on becoming independent or not

So he thinks Scotland people dont get to decide if Scotland is to become independent or not

Again the UK government only have legal power to grant a referendum on independence they DO NOT get to decide Scotland fate on if Scotland chooses to become independent or not fuck sake lol

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

Because the Bank of England, immediately after the vote put in measures to mitigate the effects of the economic hit after the vote.

The pound has rallied against the dollar, but is still below the level it was at pre-referendum against the euro. That is what is driving the exports and job creation that you like to crow about.

As soon as we leave proper, and tariffs come into play then that all stops. That's when things will start to bite. Not now.

So enjoy your short term win. Perhaps you can be all happy about it when you meet people who you've cost jobs in a few years time?

We get that you're happy about the result. But your arguments are the worst sort of short term-ism. "

No, the 'Michael Fish moment' comment from the bank of England came AFTER the vote to Leave the EU. The Michael Fish moment comment was mainly in relation to the wrong and false predictions/forecasts the Bank of England made about the effects of a leave vote, (Bank of England Governor Mark Carney said a leave vote would cause a recession in the uk, and over a year after the vote there has been no recession) and only made passing reference to the crash of 2008. We also now know since George Osbourne left his position as Chancellor of the Exchequer and left his position as an MP, he had put personal pressure on Mark Carney to make such dire predictions during the EU referendum. Date of the link, 5th January 2017...

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/05/bank-england-admits-michael-fish-moment-dire-brexit-predictions/

Secondly nothing has been 'confirmed' by todays report. Todays report is a forecast, a prediction, a guess about the future so nothing can be confirmed by it. It can only be confirmed if it actually happens, and as i already said previous forecasts and predictions about Brexit have only been confirmed to be wrong in the fullness of time.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Remember the Scottish government's 2016 'Scotland's Place in Europe' document is now unequivocally the clearest sign of an attempt for a mature, reasoned compromise. One made by a good-willed SNP Government

How may would agree with that now ? As

Scotland's Place In Europe was written, start to finish, with the assumption that Scottish government accepted the vote to leave the EU. Scenario planning was on membership of the single market and customs union as a red line, within the UK

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS over a year ago

Burton on Trent

Ah, a lovely piece of creative writing by the brexit loving Telegraph there. Unsurprisingly your paper of choice.

Try this one which gives the whole quote in context. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38525924

So the economic model may be a bit behind. But at least there is one, based on things that have actually happened and data from that.

Your entire position is based on hope and the goodwill of others. Most of whom have no reason to show it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Because the Bank of England, immediately after the vote put in measures to mitigate the effects of the economic hit after the vote.

The pound has rallied against the dollar, but is still below the level it was at pre-referendum against the euro. That is what is driving the exports and job creation that you like to crow about.

As soon as we leave proper, and tariffs come into play then that all stops. That's when things will start to bite. Not now.

So enjoy your short term win. Perhaps you can be all happy about it when you meet people who you've cost jobs in a few years time?

We get that you're happy about the result. But your arguments are the worst sort of short term-ism.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/05/bank-england-admits-michael-fish-moment-dire-brexit-predictions/

So Centaur are you saying NOTHING was done by The Bank of England to overt any financial crash leading upto the Referendum and during the following weeks of the leave vote ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nothing at all was done.... there has been nothing to worsen our Country since voting leave Centaur, we're in a better position now than pre referendum Centaur ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Kinky....

You are asking for a solution that cannot happen with a so called hard Brexit.

Unless the EU roll over and give us the exact same deal we currently have while being a member we are all going to be worse off Country wise.

There is no Brexit solution.

We're all going to pay for Brexit one way or another.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Scotlands best option should be another referendum now, nothing less would be a betrayal

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"I hope every has seen CLCC comment he seems to think Westminster MPs get to decide Scotland fate on becoming independent or not

So he thinks Scotland people dont get to decide if Scotland is to become independent or not

Again the UK government only have legal power to grant a referendum on independence they DO NOT get to decide Scotland fate on if Scotland chooses to become independent or not fuck sake lol"

Remember that time you said that only 2 places could grant independence? One was Westminster, the other was a court that you couldn’t name, didn’t know which country it sat in, couldn’t name any cases it had ever ruled on, couldn’t name the country the judges came from, let alone their names, didn’t know how many judges sat on the bench, and couldn’t name a single detail of? I remember that and your hilarious unicorn court!

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Your preaching the wrong person

I know if a hard brexit happens Scotland is screwed and will end up being worse off in a UK hard brexit

The shocking part of this is people are willing to accept Scotland being worse off just to try and keep the UK together.

The Scottish government have even tried to compromise to saying they accept leaving the EU but the red line is Scotland or the whole of the UK must have full membership of the single market and customs union

The UK government are hell bend on taking the UK out of the single market and customs union therefore Scotland has ever right to deliver thw section 30 order and for Scotland to hold a legal binding referendum as the Scottish government have a mandate from the people of Scotland and the Scottish parilament

The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK how much more of a broken promise do you want ? There is no voters not happen with being lied to on this issue why should they be denied a right to change their minds on Scottish independence ?

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

I do love this stupid crap,the only the thing anyone can know in 15 years is there age if still alive.

Still I like a laugh

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

Kinky, lets imagine that there is another referendum and Scotland votes for independence, but 1 part votes heavily to remain as part of the UK. Lets say in that part of Scotland that it was going to be say £3bn a year worse off in an independent Scotland. Would you allow that part of Scotland to remain in the UK?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Ah, a lovely piece of creative writing by the brexit loving Telegraph there. Unsurprisingly your paper of choice.

Try this one which gives the whole quote in context. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38525924

So the economic model may be a bit behind. But at least there is one, based on things that have actually happened and data from that.

Your entire position is based on hope and the goodwill of others. Most of whom have no reason to show it.

"Based on things that have actually happened and data from that"?????

Brexit has NEVER happened before! No previous data exists for it as this is the first time a country the size of the UK has left the EU.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Ah, a lovely piece of creative writing by the brexit loving Telegraph there. Unsurprisingly your paper of choice.

Try this one which gives the whole quote in context. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38525924

So the economic model may be a bit behind. But at least there is one, based on things that have actually happened and data from that.

Your entire position is based on hope and the goodwill of others. Most of whom have no reason to show it.

"Based on things that have actually happened and data from that"?????

Brexit has NEVER happened before! No previous data exists for it as this is the first time a country the size of the UK has left the EU.

So what makes you think it will be a good idea then?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Kinky, lets imagine that there is another referendum and Scotland votes for independence, but 1 part votes heavily to remain as part of the UK. Lets say in that part of Scotland that it was going to be say £3bn a year worse off in an independent Scotland. Would you allow that part of Scotland to remain in the UK?"

Read that back then i will throw this at you ALL of Scotland's local areas voted to remain part of the EU and the brexit impact papers are saying Scotland faces being 12 billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit but you seem to be willing to accept this thats reality

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Ah, a lovely piece of creative writing by the brexit loving Telegraph there. Unsurprisingly your paper of choice.

Try this one which gives the whole quote in context. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38525924

So the economic model may be a bit behind. But at least there is one, based on things that have actually happened and data from that.

Your entire position is based on hope and the goodwill of others. Most of whom have no reason to show it.

"Based on things that have actually happened and data from that"?????

Brexit has NEVER happened before! No previous data exists for it as this is the first time a country the size of the UK has left the EU.

So what makes you think it will be a good idea then?

This is where i will agree with you

Remember Centaur said no one knows the future

So with that in mind Centaur what happens if brexit is bad for Scotland and the UK then what ? Is it going to be shrugging the shoulders and saying oh well ?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Ah, a lovely piece of creative writing by the brexit loving Telegraph there. Unsurprisingly your paper of choice.

Try this one which gives the whole quote in context. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38525924

So the economic model may be a bit behind. But at least there is one, based on things that have actually happened and data from that.

Your entire position is based on hope and the goodwill of others. Most of whom have no reason to show it.

"Based on things that have actually happened and data from that"?????

Brexit has NEVER happened before! No previous data exists for it as this is the first time a country the size of the UK has left the EU.

So what makes you think it will be a good idea then?

Some people think it's a good idea (17.4 million people who voted Leave).

Some people think it's a bad idea (16 million who voted Remain).

We live in a democracy and you were outvoted. More people think it's a good idea as opposed to those who think it's a bad idea and the majority vote means we are leaving. More people think it's a good idea.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off "

So you admit that you can’t answer a simple question then?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Side note this is coming from Michelle Mone an unelected baroness

''I’m a Baroness for life,whereas u will be out of ur MP job in no time''

How shocking is this ? Sounds like she thinks she is above us all eh ? 300pound a week to sit on her arse and 60% not even vote

Unelected pricks the lot of them

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By *ane DTV/TS over a year ago

London

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off "

So in 2014 you would have been willing to accept that £12 billion + what ever leaving the UK single market would have cost to be "free" ?

Seems strange that those who pointed these things out in '14 were "doing scotland down" yahda, yahda, yahda.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Ah, a lovely piece of creative writing by the brexit loving Telegraph there. Unsurprisingly your paper of choice.

Try this one which gives the whole quote in context. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38525924

So the economic model may be a bit behind. But at least there is one, based on things that have actually happened and data from that.

Your entire position is based on hope and the goodwill of others. Most of whom have no reason to show it.

"Based on things that have actually happened and data from that"?????

Brexit has NEVER happened before! No previous data exists for it as this is the first time a country the size of the UK has left the EU.

So what makes you think it will be a good idea then?

This is where i will agree with you

Remember Centaur said no one knows the future

So with that in mind Centaur what happens if brexit is bad for Scotland and the UK then what ? Is it going to be shrugging the shoulders and saying oh well ?"

So what happens if Scottish independence is bad for Scotland then what? Is it going to be shrugging the shoulders and saying oh well ?

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By *ane DTV/TS over a year ago

London

"Side note this is coming from Michelle Mone an unelected baroness

''I’m a Baroness for life,whereas u will be out of ur MP job in no time''

How shocking is this ? Sounds like she thinks she is above us all eh ? 300pound a week to sit on her arse and 60% not even vote

Unelected pricks the lot of them "

Naw just join Mr Mathesons poodles the SPA @ £300 a day for 5 days a month as a board stooge or as chief stooge at £500 a day for 12 days a month (plus expenses)

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Side note this is coming from Michelle Mone an unelected baroness

''I’m a Baroness for life,whereas u will be out of ur MP job in no time''

How shocking is this ? Sounds like she thinks she is above us all eh ? 300pound a week to sit on her arse and 60% not even vote

Unelected pricks the lot of them "

She's also Scottish.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off

So in 2014 you would have been willing to accept that £12 billion + what ever leaving the UK single market would have cost to be "free" ?

Seems strange that those who pointed these things out in '14 were "doing scotland down" yahda, yahda, yahda."

talking of 2014 since you brought it up

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK how much more of a broken promise do you want ? I it now it doesnt mean a damn thing that has to be now swept under the carpet ?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Side note this is coming from Michelle Mone an unelected baroness

''I’m a Baroness for life,whereas u will be out of ur MP job in no time''

How shocking is this ? Sounds like she thinks she is above us all eh ? 300pound a week to sit on her arse and 60% not even vote

Unelected pricks the lot of them

She's also Scottish.

Keep her down there she might be Scottish but one her bra's are cheap looking shit and two she is one stuck up bitch that believes she is better than everyone this quote proves it ''I’m a Baroness for life,whereas u will be out of ur MP job in no time''

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By *ane DTV/TS over a year ago

London

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off

So in 2014 you would have been willing to accept that £12 billion + what ever leaving the UK single market would have cost to be "free" ?

Seems strange that those who pointed these things out in '14 were "doing scotland down" yahda, yahda, yahda.

talking of 2014 since you brought it up

Deflectors on Full mode there...

How about "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime" or did AS have his fingers crossed behind his back and muttering under his breath "in terms of the debate"

"I have legal advice" that he didn't and then tried to hide the fact by fighting an foi in court?

Or the promises of a "Currency union", I suppose he really meant a curry union.

It was an open fact that the conservatives would hold a referendum on the EU if they were voted back into power...

From 2013 - "Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament - by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off

So in 2014 you would have been willing to accept that £12 billion + what ever leaving the UK single market would have cost to be "free" ?

Seems strange that those who pointed these things out in '14 were "doing scotland down" yahda, yahda, yahda.

talking of 2014 since you brought it up

Deflectors on Full mode there...

How about "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime" or did AS have his fingers crossed behind his back and muttering under his breath "in terms of the debate"

"I have legal advice" that he didn't and then tried to hide the fact by fighting an foi in court?

Or the promises of a "Currency union", I suppose he really meant a curry union.

It was an open fact that the conservatives would hold a referendum on the EU if they were voted back into power...

From 2013 - "Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament - by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

Ok so who gets to decide when this so called "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime'' will be to have another independence referendum ?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

So people in 2014 you believe now know the future that there was going to be a Tory government ? Interesting so those Labour unionists do you think they thought there was going to be a Tory government in 2015 ?

Also how many u-turns has the Tories done now ?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Side note this is coming from Michelle Mone an unelected baroness

''I’m a Baroness for life,whereas u will be out of ur MP job in no time''

How shocking is this ? Sounds like she thinks she is above us all eh ? 300pound a week to sit on her arse and 60% not even vote

Unelected pricks the lot of them

She's also Scottish.

Would love to keep Michelle Mone down here in England. She's gorgeous and she's also a very successful millionaire businesswoman. Lots of people like her bras and lingerie products they keep buying them and the sales figures speak for themselves. If she wants to stay in England and open some shops here she's very welcome.

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

If you can remember the UK Prime Minister (a Tory) actually campaigned to stay in the EU.

However the people of the UK voted to leave.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Side note this is coming from Michelle Mone an unelected baroness

''I’m a Baroness for life,whereas u will be out of ur MP job in no time''

How shocking is this ? Sounds like she thinks she is above us all eh ? 300pound a week to sit on her arse and 60% not even vote

Unelected pricks the lot of them

She's also Scottish.

Like i said keep her down there. Well everyone has their own type i guess. Lots of people dont like her bra's like i said they look cheap and shit

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off

So in 2014 you would have been willing to accept that £12 billion + what ever leaving the UK single market would have cost to be "free" ?

Seems strange that those who pointed these things out in '14 were "doing scotland down" yahda, yahda, yahda.

talking of 2014 since you brought it up

Deflectors on Full mode there...

How about "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime" or did AS have his fingers crossed behind his back and muttering under his breath "in terms of the debate"

"I have legal advice" that he didn't and then tried to hide the fact by fighting an foi in court?

Or the promises of a "Currency union", I suppose he really meant a curry union.

It was an open fact that the conservatives would hold a referendum on the EU if they were voted back into power...

From 2013 - "Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament - by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

Ok so who gets to decide when this so called "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime'' will be to have another independence referendum ?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

Also how many u-turns has the Tories done now ? "

"Betrayed every single person in Scotland"????

A bit melodramatic never mind completely false. Around 1 million people in Scotland voted to leave the EU in the EU referendum. Around 1 million Scottish people don't want to be in the EU. Scotland also has a UKip MEP in the European Parliament.

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By *ane DTV/TS over a year ago

London

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off

So in 2014 you would have been willing to accept that £12 billion + what ever leaving the UK single market would have cost to be "free" ?

Seems strange that those who pointed these things out in '14 were "doing scotland down" yahda, yahda, yahda.

talking of 2014 since you brought it up

Deflectors on Full mode there...

How about "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime" or did AS have his fingers crossed behind his back and muttering under his breath "in terms of the debate"

"I have legal advice" that he didn't and then tried to hide the fact by fighting an foi in court?

Or the promises of a "Currency union", I suppose he really meant a curry union.

It was an open fact that the conservatives would hold a referendum on the EU if they were voted back into power...

From 2013 - "Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament - by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

Ok so who gets to decide when this so called "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime'' will be to have another independence referendum ?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

Also how many u-turns has the Tories done now ? "

Oh, so your in the "vote until I get the result I want" camp. Welcome to Scotland - home of the neverendum.

Democracy my way or I'll scweem and scweem and scweem until I make myself sick.

If anything it was the use of the SNP as a bogey man in the GE that probably helped the tories - Moribund in AS's top pocket.

Comments like "I'll write Labours budget"

And

Still not answering the question posed, are you admitting that Scotland would have been a minimum of £12 billion + worse off had we voted for independence in 2014?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off

So in 2014 you would have been willing to accept that £12 billion + what ever leaving the UK single market would have cost to be "free" ?

Seems strange that those who pointed these things out in '14 were "doing scotland down" yahda, yahda, yahda.

talking of 2014 since you brought it up

Deflectors on Full mode there...

How about "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime" or did AS have his fingers crossed behind his back and muttering under his breath "in terms of the debate"

"I have legal advice" that he didn't and then tried to hide the fact by fighting an foi in court?

Or the promises of a "Currency union", I suppose he really meant a curry union.

It was an open fact that the conservatives would hold a referendum on the EU if they were voted back into power...

From 2013 - "Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament - by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

Ok so who gets to decide when this so called "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime'' will be to have another independence referendum ?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

Also how many u-turns has the Tories done now ?

Oh, so your in the "vote until I get the result I want" camp. Welcome to Scotland - home of the neverendum.

Democracy my way or I'll scweem and scweem and scweem until I make myself sick.

If anything it was the use of the SNP as a bogey man in the GE that probably helped the tories - Moribund in AS's top pocket.

Comments like "I'll write Labours budget"

And

Still not answering the question posed, are you admitting that Scotland would have been a minimum of £12 billion + worse off had we voted for independence in 2014?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

the question to your answer is no happy now ? Mind answering mine now

Also do you have a clue on how democracy works ? lol this kinds says you dont "vote until I get the result I want" as you would know the Scottish voters voted SNP and on their manifesto to hold a referendum is that not democracy in action now ?

just because their was a vote on Scottish independence in 2014 does not mean their cant be another vote again correct ? Maybe just maybe if unionists would deliver on their promises then their wouldnt be need for another independence referendum but they have brought it on themselves

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off

So in 2014 you would have been willing to accept that £12 billion + what ever leaving the UK single market would have cost to be "free" ?

Seems strange that those who pointed these things out in '14 were "doing scotland down" yahda, yahda, yahda.

talking of 2014 since you brought it up

Deflectors on Full mode there...

How about "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime" or did AS have his fingers crossed behind his back and muttering under his breath "in terms of the debate"

"I have legal advice" that he didn't and then tried to hide the fact by fighting an foi in court?

Or the promises of a "Currency union", I suppose he really meant a curry union.

It was an open fact that the conservatives would hold a referendum on the EU if they were voted back into power...

From 2013 - "Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament - by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

Ok so who gets to decide when this so called "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime'' will be to have another independence referendum ?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

Also how many u-turns has the Tories done now ?

"Betrayed every single person in Scotland"????

1.6 million + dont want to be part of the UK your point is ?

The 1 million leav voters in Scotland are in the minority

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Side note this is coming from Michelle Mone an unelected baroness

''I’m a Baroness for life,whereas u will be out of ur MP job in no time''

How shocking is this ? Sounds like she thinks she is above us all eh ? 300pound a week to sit on her arse and 60% not even vote

Unelected pricks the lot of them

She's also Scottish.

Like i said keep her down there. Well everyone has their own type i guess. Lots of people dont like her bra's like i said they look cheap and shit"

Wondered why you decided to randomly attack Michelle Mone on this thread so I just did a Google search on her. It seems she called SNP MP Stewart Mcdonald an "SNP Moron!" in a twitter spat earlier today.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Side note this is coming from Michelle Mone an unelected baroness

''I’m a Baroness for life,whereas u will be out of ur MP job in no time''

How shocking is this ? Sounds like she thinks she is above us all eh ? 300pound a week to sit on her arse and 60% not even vote

Unelected pricks the lot of them

She's also Scottish.

Like i said keep her down there. Well everyone has their own type i guess. Lots of people dont like her bra's like i said they look cheap and shit

Yeah and why did she attack Stewart Mcdonald on twitter again ? Was he pointing something out ?

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off

So in 2014 you would have been willing to accept that £12 billion + what ever leaving the UK single market would have cost to be "free" ?

Seems strange that those who pointed these things out in '14 were "doing scotland down" yahda, yahda, yahda.

talking of 2014 since you brought it up

Deflectors on Full mode there...

How about "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime" or did AS have his fingers crossed behind his back and muttering under his breath "in terms of the debate"

"I have legal advice" that he didn't and then tried to hide the fact by fighting an foi in court?

Or the promises of a "Currency union", I suppose he really meant a curry union.

It was an open fact that the conservatives would hold a referendum on the EU if they were voted back into power...

From 2013 - "Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament - by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

Ok so who gets to decide when this so called "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime'' will be to have another independence referendum ?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

Also how many u-turns has the Tories done now ?

"Betrayed every single person in Scotland"????

1.6 million + dont want to be part of the UK your point is ?

The 1 million leav voters in Scotland are in the minority "

The people who voted to stay in the EU are in the minority but you will not accept that vote..!

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off

So in 2014 you would have been willing to accept that £12 billion + what ever leaving the UK single market would have cost to be "free" ?

Seems strange that those who pointed these things out in '14 were "doing scotland down" yahda, yahda, yahda.

talking of 2014 since you brought it up

Deflectors on Full mode there...

How about "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime" or did AS have his fingers crossed behind his back and muttering under his breath "in terms of the debate"

"I have legal advice" that he didn't and then tried to hide the fact by fighting an foi in court?

Or the promises of a "Currency union", I suppose he really meant a curry union.

It was an open fact that the conservatives would hold a referendum on the EU if they were voted back into power...

From 2013 - "Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament - by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

Ok so who gets to decide when this so called "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime'' will be to have another independence referendum ?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

Also how many u-turns has the Tories done now ?

"Betrayed every single person in Scotland"????

1.6 million + dont want to be part of the UK your point is ?

The 1 million leav voters in Scotland are in the minority "

The 1 million leave voters in Scotland are in the majority in the UK (17.4 million people total in the UK) who want to leave the EU. It wasn't a devolved vote it was a UK wide vote.

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off

So in 2014 you would have been willing to accept that £12 billion + what ever leaving the UK single market would have cost to be "free" ?

Seems strange that those who pointed these things out in '14 were "doing scotland down" yahda, yahda, yahda.

talking of 2014 since you brought it up

Deflectors on Full mode there...

How about "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime" or did AS have his fingers crossed behind his back and muttering under his breath "in terms of the debate"

"I have legal advice" that he didn't and then tried to hide the fact by fighting an foi in court?

Or the promises of a "Currency union", I suppose he really meant a curry union.

It was an open fact that the conservatives would hold a referendum on the EU if they were voted back into power...

From 2013 - "Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament - by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

Ok so who gets to decide when this so called "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime'' will be to have another independence referendum ?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

Also how many u-turns has the Tories done now ?

"Betrayed every single person in Scotland"????

1.6 million + dont want to be part of the UK your point is ?

The 1 million leav voters in Scotland are in the minority

The 1 million leave voters in Scotland are in the majority in the UK (17.4 million people total in the UK) who want to leave the EU. It wasn't a devolved vote it was a UK wide vote. "

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off

So in 2014 you would have been willing to accept that £12 billion + what ever leaving the UK single market would have cost to be "free" ?

Seems strange that those who pointed these things out in '14 were "doing scotland down" yahda, yahda, yahda.

talking of 2014 since you brought it up

Deflectors on Full mode there...

How about "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime" or did AS have his fingers crossed behind his back and muttering under his breath "in terms of the debate"

"I have legal advice" that he didn't and then tried to hide the fact by fighting an foi in court?

Or the promises of a "Currency union", I suppose he really meant a curry union.

It was an open fact that the conservatives would hold a referendum on the EU if they were voted back into power...

From 2013 - "Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament - by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

Ok so who gets to decide when this so called "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime'' will be to have another independence referendum ?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

Also how many u-turns has the Tories done now ?

"Betrayed every single person in Scotland"????

1.6 million + dont want to be part of the UK your point is ?

The 1 million leav voters in Scotland are in the minority

The 1 million leave voters in Scotland are in the majority in the UK (17.4 million people total in the UK) who want to leave the EU. It wasn't a devolved vote it was a UK wide vote. "

the 1 million leave voters are in the minority in Scotland correct ? The majority in Scotland voted to remain part of the EU correct ? I wonder why you wont just admit to that

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off

So in 2014 you would have been willing to accept that £12 billion + what ever leaving the UK single market would have cost to be "free" ?

Seems strange that those who pointed these things out in '14 were "doing scotland down" yahda, yahda, yahda.

talking of 2014 since you brought it up

Deflectors on Full mode there...

How about "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime" or did AS have his fingers crossed behind his back and muttering under his breath "in terms of the debate"

"I have legal advice" that he didn't and then tried to hide the fact by fighting an foi in court?

Or the promises of a "Currency union", I suppose he really meant a curry union.

It was an open fact that the conservatives would hold a referendum on the EU if they were voted back into power...

From 2013 - "Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament - by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

Ok so who gets to decide when this so called "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime'' will be to have another independence referendum ?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

Also how many u-turns has the Tories done now ?

"Betrayed every single person in Scotland"????

1.6 million + dont want to be part of the UK your point is ?

The 1 million leav voters in Scotland are in the minority

The 1 million leave voters in Scotland are in the majority in the UK (17.4 million people total in the UK) who want to leave the EU. It wasn't a devolved vote it was a UK wide vote.

the 1 million leave voters are in the minority in Scotland correct ? The majority in Scotland voted to remain part of the EU correct ? I wonder why you wont just admit to that "

The 1 million leave voters from Scotland make up part of the majority in the UK who want to leave the EU (17.4 million in total). It wasn't a devolved vote, it was a UK wide vote.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off

So in 2014 you would have been willing to accept that £12 billion + what ever leaving the UK single market would have cost to be "free" ?

Seems strange that those who pointed these things out in '14 were "doing scotland down" yahda, yahda, yahda.

talking of 2014 since you brought it up

Deflectors on Full mode there...

How about "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime" or did AS have his fingers crossed behind his back and muttering under his breath "in terms of the debate"

"I have legal advice" that he didn't and then tried to hide the fact by fighting an foi in court?

Or the promises of a "Currency union", I suppose he really meant a curry union.

It was an open fact that the conservatives would hold a referendum on the EU if they were voted back into power...

From 2013 - "Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament - by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

Ok so who gets to decide when this so called "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime'' will be to have another independence referendum ?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

Also how many u-turns has the Tories done now ?

"Betrayed every single person in Scotland"????

1.6 million + dont want to be part of the UK your point is ?

The 1 million leav voters in Scotland are in the minority

The 1 million leave voters in Scotland are in the majority in the UK (17.4 million people total in the UK) who want to leave the EU. It wasn't a devolved vote it was a UK wide vote.

the 1 million leave voters are in the minority in Scotland correct ? The majority in Scotland voted to remain part of the EU correct ? I wonder why you wont just admit to that

The 1 million leave voters from Scotland make up part of the majority in the UK who want to leave the EU (17.4 million in total). It wasn't a devolved vote, it was a UK wide vote. "

Centaur are the 1 million leaves in Scotland in the minority ? Did the majority of Scottish voters vote to remain in the EU ? You may wanna keep that shit up about it being a uk vote but you can never ever hide the fact Scotland's majority voted to remain part of the EU you may not like it but its fact face it and accept it

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By *ane DTV/TS over a year ago

London

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off

So in 2014 you would have been willing to accept that £12 billion + what ever leaving the UK single market would have cost to be "free" ?

Seems strange that those who pointed these things out in '14 were "doing scotland down" yahda, yahda, yahda.

talking of 2014 since you brought it up

Deflectors on Full mode there...

How about "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime" or did AS have his fingers crossed behind his back and muttering under his breath "in terms of the debate"

"I have legal advice" that he didn't and then tried to hide the fact by fighting an foi in court?

Or the promises of a "Currency union", I suppose he really meant a curry union.

It was an open fact that the conservatives would hold a referendum on the EU if they were voted back into power...

From 2013 - "Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament - by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

Ok so who gets to decide when this so called "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime'' will be to have another independence referendum ?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

Also how many u-turns has the Tories done now ?

Oh, so your in the "vote until I get the result I want" camp. Welcome to Scotland - home of the neverendum.

Democracy my way or I'll scweem and scweem and scweem until I make myself sick.

If anything it was the use of the SNP as a bogey man in the GE that probably helped the tories - Moribund in AS's top pocket.

Comments like "I'll write Labours budget"

And

Still not answering the question posed, are you admitting that Scotland would have been a minimum of £12 billion + worse off had we voted for independence in 2014?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

the question to your answer is no happy now ? Mind answering mine now

The 2016 manifesto had no open and honest statement on another independence referendum - it hid behind weasel words like "material change".

How about a million signiture petiton (ditched green party manifesto promise) or the oft stated "polls show a consistent majority in favour".

Have we seen either?

I'm not saying there can never be another referendum, what I am saying is a decision - right or wrong - has been made and it should be respected until there is a majority in favour of another referendum via public acclimation or overwhelming vote at the ballot box.

"Nicola Sturgeon: vote for SNP is not vote for second independence referendum"

“It’s ultimately up to the Scottish people. That’s the fundamental democratic point. I can’t impose it on the people against their will.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/08/nicola-sturgeon-vote-snp-general-election-not-second-scottish-independence-referendum

So if you are so sure that another Ref is what Scotland really wants... Ask Nicola to dissolve the scottish parliment and run on an openly pro indy ref ticket.

Seek a clear mandate from the scottish public. Or do you think she would risk the £11k+ a month, pension contributions, plus expenses and free accommodation?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off

So in 2014 you would have been willing to accept that £12 billion + what ever leaving the UK single market would have cost to be "free" ?

Seems strange that those who pointed these things out in '14 were "doing scotland down" yahda, yahda, yahda.

talking of 2014 since you brought it up

Deflectors on Full mode there...

How about "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime" or did AS have his fingers crossed behind his back and muttering under his breath "in terms of the debate"

"I have legal advice" that he didn't and then tried to hide the fact by fighting an foi in court?

Or the promises of a "Currency union", I suppose he really meant a curry union.

It was an open fact that the conservatives would hold a referendum on the EU if they were voted back into power...

From 2013 - "Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament - by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

Ok so who gets to decide when this so called "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime'' will be to have another independence referendum ?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

Also how many u-turns has the Tories done now ?

Oh, so your in the "vote until I get the result I want" camp. Welcome to Scotland - home of the neverendum.

Democracy my way or I'll scweem and scweem and scweem until I make myself sick.

If anything it was the use of the SNP as a bogey man in the GE that probably helped the tories - Moribund in AS's top pocket.

Comments like "I'll write Labours budget"

And

Still not answering the question posed, are you admitting that Scotland would have been a minimum of £12 billion + worse off had we voted for independence in 2014?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

the question to your answer is no happy now ? Mind answering mine now

The 2016 manifesto had no open and honest statement on another independence referendum - it hid behind weasel words like "material change".

How about a million signiture petiton (ditched green party manifesto promise) or the oft stated "polls show a consistent majority in favour".

Have we seen either?

"Nicola Sturgeon: vote for SNP is not vote for second independence referendum"

“It’s ultimately up to the Scottish people. That’s the fundamental democratic point. I can’t impose it on the people against their will.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/08/nicola-sturgeon-vote-snp-general-election-not-second-scottish-independence-referendum

So if you are so sure that another Ref is what Scotland really wants... Ask Nicola to dissolve the scottish parliment and run on an openly pro indy ref ticket.

Seek a clear mandate from the scottish public. Or do you think she would risk the £11k+ a month, pension contributions, plus expenses and free accommodation?

Did answer your question by saying no

Now could you please answer mine

1. do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

2. Do you believe people in 2014 you knew the future that there was going to be a Tory government ?

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By *ane DTV/TS over a year ago

London

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off

So in 2014 you would have been willing to accept that £12 billion + what ever leaving the UK single market would have cost to be "free" ?

Seems strange that those who pointed these things out in '14 were "doing scotland down" yahda, yahda, yahda.

talking of 2014 since you brought it up

Deflectors on Full mode there...

How about "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime" or did AS have his fingers crossed behind his back and muttering under his breath "in terms of the debate"

"I have legal advice" that he didn't and then tried to hide the fact by fighting an foi in court?

Or the promises of a "Currency union", I suppose he really meant a curry union.

It was an open fact that the conservatives would hold a referendum on the EU if they were voted back into power...

From 2013 - "Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament - by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

Ok so who gets to decide when this so called "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime'' will be to have another independence referendum ?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

Also how many u-turns has the Tories done now ?

Oh, so your in the "vote until I get the result I want" camp. Welcome to Scotland - home of the neverendum.

Democracy my way or I'll scweem and scweem and scweem until I make myself sick.

If anything it was the use of the SNP as a bogey man in the GE that probably helped the tories - Moribund in AS's top pocket.

Comments like "I'll write Labours budget"

And

Still not answering the question posed, are you admitting that Scotland would have been a minimum of £12 billion + worse off had we voted for independence in 2014?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

the question to your answer is no happy now ? Mind answering mine now

The 2016 manifesto had no open and honest statement on another independence referendum - it hid behind weasel words like "material change".

How about a million signiture petiton (ditched green party manifesto promise) or the oft stated "polls show a consistent majority in favour".

Have we seen either?

"Nicola Sturgeon: vote for SNP is not vote for second independence referendum"

“It’s ultimately up to the Scottish people. That’s the fundamental democratic point. I can’t impose it on the people against their will.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/08/nicola-sturgeon-vote-snp-general-election-not-second-scottish-independence-referendum

So if you are so sure that another Ref is what Scotland really wants... Ask Nicola to dissolve the scottish parliment and run on an openly pro indy ref ticket.

Seek a clear mandate from the scottish public. Or do you think she would risk the £11k+ a month, pension contributions, plus expenses and free accommodation?

Did answer your question by saying no

Now could you please answer mine

1. do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

2. Do you believe people in 2014 you knew the future that there was going to be a Tory government ?

Oh the word "betray" so emotive. Such bitterness.

1. Answer- NO they didn't, because at that time and when the EU ref was called there was a large majority in the PRO europe camp. On the night of the EU results Farage had conceded! (Btw I voted Remain, that doesn't mean YES/SNP can co-opt that vote to mean I want another indy ref)

http://www.irishnews.com/news/brexit/2016/06/23/news/eu-referendum-results-live-nigel-farage-concedes-defeat-in-brexit-vote-577784/

2. What no Tory governments ever? That would be living in La La land. I think it came as a surprise to the Tory party that they got a majority and for all folk castigate Camermoron at least he followed through on the commitment to hold an EU ref.

So explain how Scotland leaving not 1 but 2 Economic Unions would not cost us more than £12 billion, considering our trading volumes.

Dazzle us with Kinkynomics.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So no answer then? Right, thats what we all thought!

Because thats not happening you made things up to suit your wee agenda lets deal with the here and now and facts eh

Where as the whole of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and going to be worse off because of leaving the EU and the best you have is oh well tough shit just accept it being 12 billion worse off

So in 2014 you would have been willing to accept that £12 billion + what ever leaving the UK single market would have cost to be "free" ?

Seems strange that those who pointed these things out in '14 were "doing scotland down" yahda, yahda, yahda.

talking of 2014 since you brought it up

Deflectors on Full mode there...

How about "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime" or did AS have his fingers crossed behind his back and muttering under his breath "in terms of the debate"

"I have legal advice" that he didn't and then tried to hide the fact by fighting an foi in court?

Or the promises of a "Currency union", I suppose he really meant a curry union.

It was an open fact that the conservatives would hold a referendum on the EU if they were voted back into power...

From 2013 - "Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament - by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21148282

Ok so who gets to decide when this so called "Once in a generation, if not a lifetime'' will be to have another independence referendum ?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

Also how many u-turns has the Tories done now ?

Oh, so your in the "vote until I get the result I want" camp. Welcome to Scotland - home of the neverendum.

Democracy my way or I'll scweem and scweem and scweem until I make myself sick.

If anything it was the use of the SNP as a bogey man in the GE that probably helped the tories - Moribund in AS's top pocket.

Comments like "I'll write Labours budget"

And

Still not answering the question posed, are you admitting that Scotland would have been a minimum of £12 billion + worse off had we voted for independence in 2014?

do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

the question to your answer is no happy now ? Mind answering mine now

The 2016 manifesto had no open and honest statement on another independence referendum - it hid behind weasel words like "material change".

How about a million signiture petiton (ditched green party manifesto promise) or the oft stated "polls show a consistent majority in favour".

Have we seen either?

"Nicola Sturgeon: vote for SNP is not vote for second independence referendum"

“It’s ultimately up to the Scottish people. That’s the fundamental democratic point. I can’t impose it on the people against their will.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/08/nicola-sturgeon-vote-snp-general-election-not-second-scottish-independence-referendum

So if you are so sure that another Ref is what Scotland really wants... Ask Nicola to dissolve the scottish parliment and run on an openly pro indy ref ticket.

Seek a clear mandate from the scottish public. Or do you think she would risk the £11k+ a month, pension contributions, plus expenses and free accommodation?

Did answer your question by saying no

Now could you please answer mine

1. do you feel The Better Together mob have betrayed every single person in Scotland when they said only with a no vote will their EU membership be safe within the UK ?

2. Do you believe people in 2014 you knew the future that there was going to be a Tory government ?

Oh the word "betray" so emotive. Such bitterness.

http://www.irishnews.com/news/brexit/2016/06/23/news/eu-referendum-results-live-nigel-farage-concedes-defeat-in-brexit-vote-577784/

So explain how Scotland leaving not 1 but 2 Economic Unions would not cost us more than £12 billion, considering our trading volumes.

Dazzle us with Kinkynomics.

1. No so you denying the Better together mob didnt tell people in Scotland in 2014 that if they voted no to independence then the EU membership would be safe in the UK ? Wow lying much

2. You answered that with a question so please tell me how do you think people back in 2014 could see a Tory government in 2015 ? Can you now tell the future ?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Scotland had a referendum and decided to stay in the union.

So the best thing to do is all work together and make the UK a success once we have left the EU.

Well said _hybloke67, nice to see someone talking sense

And if that doesnt happen and its a hard brexit then what ? Just accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off ?

If green pigs from Mars flew over Scotland with nuclear bombs to drop on it what would you do?

So thats it no answer ? Meaning then you are happy to accept Scotland being 12 billion worse off in a hard brexit

Your not answering it and deflecting lol

Now try it if a hard brexit Does happen what solution is there to make sure Scotland does NOT face being 12 billion a year worse off ? "

I have answered it. It's not going to happen. Now will you answer the green pigs question?

Or better still why you think that a £40 billion Scot Indy solution is the answer to a £12 billion BREXIT problem that doesn't exist?

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By *ane DTV/TS over a year ago

London

Would there be a UK Tory government in 2015. There was a 50:50 chance of it. Only Labour or the Torys have any chance of forming a single party UK government.

You go on about seeing into the future, yet you are happy to use these "projected future figures" as a stick to beat the UK with.

There will be a financial readjustment after brexit and it probably will be painful.

So why should I add the probability of a deeper more intense pain by doubling down and leaving a free trade union with my biggest trading partner at the same time as leaving the EU.

Just for some politicians dream to be a footnote in the history books?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Scotland had a referendum and decided to stay in the union.

So the best thing to do is all work together and make the UK a success once we have left the EU.

Well said _hybloke67, nice to see someone talking sense

And if that doesnt happen and its a hard brexit then what ? Just accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off ?

If green pigs from Mars flew over Scotland with nuclear bombs to drop on it what would you do?

So thats it no answer ? Meaning then you are happy to accept Scotland being 12 billion worse off in a hard brexit

Your not answering it and deflecting lol

Now try it if a hard brexit Does happen what solution is there to make sure Scotland does NOT face being 12 billion a year worse off ?

oh the feckin irony of you accusing someone else of not answering and deflecting..

It maybe your thread but it's not your forum and, as you constantly show, it's perfectly possible to switch and deflect on your own thread. Now I've answered your 'what if' question on £12 billion BREXIT and the answer is "it's not going to happen". Now maybe you could answer anyone of my three questions which are:-

What would you do to stop green pigs from Mars flying over Scotland with nukes?

Why, if you believe Scottish Indy is no business of the English or the rest of the UK, do you keep asking us to answer questions on it?

On the economic argument, how is a £40 billion or more Scottish Indy solution the answer to a £12 billion or less BREXIT problem?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Would there be a UK Tory government in 2015. There was a 50:50 chance of it. Only Labour or the Torys have any chance of forming a single party UK government.

You go on about seeing into the future, yet you are happy to use these "projected future figures" as a stick to beat the UK with.

There will be a financial readjustment after brexit and it probably will be painful.

So why should I add the probability of a deeper more intense pain by doubling down and leaving a free trade union with my biggest trading partner at the same time as leaving the EU.

Just for some politicians dream to be a footnote in the history books?

Your words on brexit '' probably will be painful'' so you think brexit will be painful and damaging the Scotland's economy so does Scotland avoid this then ?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

Two reasons:-

1) We're not actually leaving because, with already agreed 'regularity alignment' the only options are no BREXIT or fake BREXIT.

2) A fake BREXIT is just the same as no BREXIT except that we will no longer have any control over the regulations we will still have to be aligned with.

Why can't people accept that there is not going to be any sort of real BREXIT no matter how much they want it and that now it's about coming together, accepting what the real options actually are and seeing how we can choose the best option left open to us and making it work rather than focusing on something that was never actually a real option or possible?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

We’re in the shit my friend nothing will change if and when we leave this party haven’t got a clue what to do

There will be no hard brexit yes it will upset the musketeers but that’s how it will be

And you know this how ? Have you seen the final brexit deal ? the UK government seem hell bend on saying the UK is coming out of the single market and customs union correct ? Backed also by Labour

We know it because the government has already agreed to regularity alignment. They maybe still talking about coming out of THE customs union and THE single market but the reality is, whatever they call it, regularity alignment means, at the very least, A customs union and following EU rules. Once every one understands that then the whole point of any BREXIT becomes pointless.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Ruth Davidson has addressed Brexit and the SNP's weak economy in her speech lmao

Does that fanny not see that Brexit is detrimental to Scotland’s economy rememeber what she sad pre- EU referendum that leaving the EU would be a disaster

So what economic levers has the Scottish government got to hand that can help grow our nation? Please read the Smith Commission because clearly alot of you have no idea what's still "RESERVED" at Westminster

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By *ane DTV/TS over a year ago

London

"Would there be a UK Tory government in 2015. There was a 50:50 chance of it. Only Labour or the Torys have any chance of forming a single party UK government.

You go on about seeing into the future, yet you are happy to use these "projected future figures" as a stick to beat the UK with.

There will be a financial readjustment after brexit and it probably will be painful.

So why should I add the probability of a deeper more intense pain by doubling down and leaving a free trade union with my biggest trading partner at the same time as leaving the EU.

Just for some politicians dream to be a footnote in the history books?

Your words on brexit '' probably will be painful'' so you think brexit will be painful and damaging the Scotland's economy so does Scotland avoid this then ? "

No matter what Scotland does its going to be painful...

But spreading the pain across 65 million leaving 1 large market, as opposed to the pain of leaving 2 of our largest markets across 5 million is a hell of a lot more attractive.

Only nationalists would propose digging a deeper hole to get us out of the hole we've dug for ourselves.

Or does kinkynomics say differently?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Would there be a UK Tory government in 2015. There was a 50:50 chance of it. Only Labour or the Torys have any chance of forming a single party UK government.

You go on about seeing into the future, yet you are happy to use these "projected future figures" as a stick to beat the UK with.

There will be a financial readjustment after brexit and it probably will be painful.

So why should I add the probability of a deeper more intense pain by doubling down and leaving a free trade union with my biggest trading partner at the same time as leaving the EU.

Just for some politicians dream to be a footnote in the history books?

Your words on brexit '' probably will be painful'' so you think brexit will be painful and damaging the Scotland's economy so does Scotland avoid this then ?

No matter what Scotland does its going to be painful...

But spreading the pain across 65 million leaving 1 large market, as opposed to the pain of leaving 2 of our largest markets across 5 million is a hell of a lot more attractive.

Only nationalists would propose digging a deeper hole to get us out of the hole we've dug for ourselves.

Or does kinkynomics say differently?"

Ok whats the solution then ? You admitting Scotland economy will be damaged because of brexit so what the solution's to make sure that wont happen n a UK hard brexit ? what i see from unionists is telling they would be happy enough to accept damage to Scotland's economy

So what economic levers has the Scottish government got to hand that can help grow our Scotland economy ? the Smith Commission clear tells you what is still "RESERVED" to Wesminster look it up and answer it

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

The only person who seems willing to accept Scotland being £12 billion worse off is you. The BREXITers don't believe it will be and the remainers are doing their best to avoid it. You seem not only happy with a £12 billion BREXIT and then want to add to that with a £40 billion independence.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Ah, a lovely piece of creative writing by the brexit loving Telegraph there. Unsurprisingly your paper of choice.

Try this one which gives the whole quote in context. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38525924

So the economic model may be a bit behind. But at least there is one, based on things that have actually happened and data from that.

Your entire position is based on hope and the goodwill of others. Most of whom have no reason to show it.

"Based on things that have actually happened and data from that"?????

Brexit has NEVER happened before! No previous data exists for it as this is the first time a country the size of the UK has left the EU.

So what makes you think it will be a good idea then?

This is where i will agree with you

Remember Centaur said no one knows the future

So with that in mind Centaur what happens if brexit is bad for Scotland and the UK then what ? Is it going to be shrugging the shoulders and saying oh well ?

So what happens if Scottish independence is bad for Scotland then what? Is it going to be shrugging the shoulders and saying oh well ? "

His answer to that question, like yours on BREXIT, is quite clearly YES, it'll be worth it in the end.

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Yeah ok i am not the one that cant give a damn solution on how Scotland avoids being 12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit ? You do not know the final brexit deal so question is if its 100% a hard brexit how do you square that hole ? How does Scotland avoid being 12 billion a year worse off if the final brexit deal is 100% a hard brexit and it wont change ?

From now on to be damn well clear i wont answer a question until i see a unionist answer that question that you keep avoiding why because i know you cant answer therfore you are happy to accept Scotland being worse off ?

Btw So what economic levers has the Scottish government got to hand that can help grow our nation? Please read the Smith Commission because clearly and see whats "RESERVED" at Westminster

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By *ane DTV/TS over a year ago

London

Lord, ever heard of Scottish Development International?

Or its predecessor The Scottish Development agency?

The British Chambers of Commerce, DTI and loads of other buisness promotion groups.

Hell, 35 years ago I helped my mum organise a Scottish trade show in Japan! Iirc it brought back about £10 million in exports.

How about we stop the politics of division and actually work to make Scotland a place where people have the ambition to improve. Instead of blaming the big boy next door for "oppressing" us and denying is our "rights".

How about getting off our arses and actually going out there and promoting Scotland, instead of spending time demeaning, denigrating and demonising our largest trading partner.

Scotland, whether as part of the union or independent, isn't owed a living.

Like everything in life, you need to get out there and grab every opportunity going.

Stop the navel gazing and lift our eyes to the horizon, see what future we can grab for ourselves.

If the economy is reserved to westminster, then why do we need the following positions in the Scottish government -

Minister for the Economy, Jobs and Fair work

Minister for Business, Innovation and Energy

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

But I have answered it and i do know that the final agreement will not be a hard BREXIT because of the already agreed and legally binding regularity alignment. So the answer to your question 'what if there is a hard BREXIT?' was to avoid a hard BREXIT, and that is exactly what has happened.

No change there then as you never answer any questions any how

Btw So what economic levers has the Scottish government got to hand that can help grow our nation? Please read the Smith Commission because clearly and see whats "RESERVED" at Westminster"

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

No change there then as you never answer any questions any how

Btw So what economic levers has the Scottish government got to hand that can help grow our nation? Please read the Smith Commission because clearly and see whats "RESERVED" at Westminster"

Wow another one claiming to see into the future and thinks he knows the final brexit deal lol

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

what economic levers has the Scottish government got to hand that can help grow the Scottish economy?

What a helping hand most are reversed to Westminster but you should know that already

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Btw go see Ruth Davidson interview on Scotland tonight

The interviews asks her what have you got to deliver Scotland ? Answer Ruth Davidson gave " I am not telling you " = Hee Haw!!!!

Truth is coming these unionists couldn't give a damn about Scotland

Keep it up a new Independence referendum will be easy to break down all the lies unionists have said over the years to try and keep Scotland in the UK

Hell unionists are not even ashamed at promises being broken from 2014

Like say ship yards , steel works the EU , HMRC jobs the list goes on and no unionist is ashamed of that it gets covered up hoping people will forget

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

What does it say about the UK that a ‘fundamentally flawed’ and ‘constitutionally unacceptable’ bill can fly through the Commons despite no consent from Wales or Scotland for unelected lords to decide

Shove your corrupt UK union we in Scotland and Wales deserve better

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

gain love pointing out these wee Jem's

BP have said North Sea oil will double by 2020

Strange I remember in 2014 unionists telling us we were running out of oil and the oil business wouldn’t last long. Now BP saying production till beyond 2050

Better start get out the old better together lies again to scare off people how about scaring penisoners again telling them if you vote for independence they will lose their money but strange the UK government won't ring fence penisons beyond 2020 no shame unionists have will lie to save the UK

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Quite interesting and very telling still yet to see one answer

On how to solve the square hole problem

You havent seen one answer?

Raise tuition fees

Pay for persciptions

Theres two answers...you may not like them. But they are still answers.

Im sure the rest of the UK will have to tighten their belts also and we will all feel the pain.

I personally wanted to stay in Europe....however, thats didnt wrk out.

Scotland voted to stay part of the uk

The Uk voted to leave.

We cant keep having vote after vote....the people have spoken

Anyone who thinks we wont be worse off is deluded....but it is what it is, I agree there should be a final vote once we know what deal we shall get. You dont buy a house without looking at it and doing the surveys first. But that seems unlikely.

Scotlands budget is approx 33-35bn a year so I certainly find it hard to believe they will see a 12bn reduction..just over a third! People would be screaming from the roof tops.

Is the report independant? I will say No.

But dont say....nobody has give answers when people have.

The truth is nobody knows the impact of brexit and also nobody will be able to say if it was good or bad for the Uk untuil about another 10 -15 years.

We now all have to stick together and be a United Kingdom

Longest post ive ever written lol

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Raise tuition fees

Pay for persciptions

They are not answers that is cop out imagine trying to punishnthe I'll and students to cover a hard brexit no thanks

We have to stick together ? Again no thanks Scotland will not hang about Hoping England changes it's mind Scotland has a way out of the brexit mess if your that worried move to Scotland

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Raise tuition fees

Pay for persciptions

They are not answers that is cop out imagine trying to punishnthe I'll and students to cover a hard brexit no thanks

We have to stick together ? Again no thanks Scotland will not hang about Hoping England changes it's mind Scotland has a way out of the brexit mess if your that worried move to Scotland "

Do you not think those outwith Scotland should pay tuition fees at Scotland university same as English students have to?

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"Ah, a lovely piece of creative writing by the brexit loving Telegraph there. Unsurprisingly your paper of choice.

Try this one which gives the whole quote in context. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38525924

So the economic model may be a bit behind. But at least there is one, based on things that have actually happened and data from that.

Your entire position is based on hope and the goodwill of others. Most of whom have no reason to show it.

"Based on things that have actually happened and data from that"?????

Brexit has NEVER happened before! No previous data exists for it as this is the first time a country the size of the UK has left the EU.

So what makes you think it will be a good idea then?

Some people think it's a good idea (17.4 million people who voted Leave).

Some people think it's a bad idea (16 million who voted Remain).

Exactly my point. The economic forecasts were made with actual data and best guesses on how the economy has performed in the past. But at least there IS data to use for that as a baseline.

Whereas you have no model to work from. This has never happened before. You are working on a model of hope. Hope that you get this trade deal or that one. And importantly, hope that you get everything your own way in those deals. And if all that happens, then maybe we end up right back where we are now economically in 20 years time.

I don't care how many people voted your way. They/you are still wrong. You've have still damaged the country in ways yet to become apparent by a vote born out of misinformation, fear,ignorance and misplaced nationalism.

And as I've said before, it was the racists wot won it for you. So go hug a racist friend.

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