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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Labour is pledging to provide 8,000 homes "immediately" to house people with a history of rough sleeping, should it win power.
Party leader Jeremy Corbyn said they would also help councils "take over" properties kept empty deliberately
Should Empty properties be taken over and used to accommodate the homeless and people on long waiting lists?
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"Labour is pledging to provide 8,000 homes "immediately" to house people with a history of rough sleeping, should it win power.
Party leader Jeremy Corbyn said they would also help councils "take over" properties kept empty deliberately
Should Empty properties be taken over and used to accommodate the homeless and people on long waiting lists?
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A more important question, when are you going to reconnect with reality? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Labour is pledging to provide 8,000 homes "immediately" to house people with a history of rough sleeping, should it win power.
Party leader Jeremy Corbyn said they would also help councils "take over" properties kept empty deliberately
Should Empty properties be taken over and used to accommodate the homeless and people on long waiting lists?
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Is it legal what he proposes?
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over a year ago
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"Labour is pledging to provide 8,000 homes "immediately" to house people with a history of rough sleeping, should it win power.
Party leader Jeremy Corbyn said they would also help councils "take over" properties kept empty deliberately
Should Empty properties be taken over and used to accommodate the homeless and people on long waiting lists?
Is it legal what he proposes?
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A party spokesman clarified that the 8,000 properties would not be bought using compulsory purchase powers but would be acquired by "immediately striking a deal" with housing associations to free them up as they fell vacant.
They would then be replaced by new properties to be built under Labour's pledged house building programme
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"It's telling that some show compassion to their fellow humans others question if it's needed if its legal or if it's a good idea.
How will it work then if it's not legal?" Compulsory purchase happen all the time.You however are only concerned with the legality.Says it all.
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over a year ago
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It's not just legality. It's not as simple as 'giving someone a house'. Not withstanding the mechanics of taking someone's house and giving someone else it (would that mean houses MPs leave empty to work in London are included?), either by cause or result, some people have health and addiction problems that these spare houses need to be near enough help and support, if it is available.
It sounds a simplistic sound bite.. I think most street people might rather being helped to be able to stay where they originally were but I do think as a society we do have to address this problem . However, it's every country's problem- do any have a solution? (Apart from places like Hungary) |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"It's telling that some show compassion to their fellow humans others question if it's needed if its legal or if it's a good idea.
How will it work then if it's not legal? Compulsory purchase happen all the time.You however are only concerned with the legality.Says it all.
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So why aren't Councils using existing powers they have?
The Empty Dwelling Management Order (EDMO) was brought in exactly for this purpose. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It's telling that some show compassion to their fellow humans others question if it's needed if its legal or if it's a good idea.
How will it work then if it's not legal? Compulsory purchase happen all the time.You however are only concerned with the legality.Says it all.
So why aren't Councils using existing powers they have?
The Empty Dwelling Management Order (EDMO) was brought in exactly for this purpose."
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"It's telling that some show compassion to their fellow humans others question if it's needed if its legal or if it's a good idea.
How will it work then if it's not legal? Compulsory purchase happen all the time.You however are only concerned with the legality.Says it all.
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Of course people are concerned with the legality of it, the rule of law has to be respected and followed in this country. I'm not surprised you're not concerned about the legal aspect to it though seeing as you're a self confessed car thief and arsonist (comments you've openly made about yourself on the politics forum before). What kind of message do you think it would send if Corbyn got into power and started to break the law with his policies? |
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"It's telling that some show compassion to their fellow humans others question if it's needed if its legal or if it's a good idea.
How will it work then if it's not legal? Compulsory purchase happen all the time.You however are only concerned with the legality.Says it all.
So why aren't Councils using existing powers they have?
The Empty Dwelling Management Order (EDMO) was brought in exactly for this purpose."
Mr Corbyn said "We would give local authorities the power to take over deliberately kept empty properties, because there is something grossly insulting about the idea you would build some luxury block and deliberately keep it empty.
"Surely we have to have a social objective and a social priority in our society?", he said. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"It's telling that some show compassion to their fellow humans others question if it's needed if its legal or if it's a good idea.
How will it work then if it's not legal? Compulsory purchase happen all the time.You however are only concerned with the legality.Says it all.
So why aren't Councils using existing powers they have?
The Empty Dwelling Management Order (EDMO) was brought in exactly for this purpose.
Mr Corbyn said "We would give local authorities the power to take over deliberately kept empty properties, because there is something grossly insulting about the idea you would build some luxury block and deliberately keep it empty.
"Surely we have to have a social objective and a social priority in our society?", he said."
I have no problem with that concept. Foreign property investors have driven up house prices to the detriment of all in society.
However, whilst Councils already have the power through EDMOs to take possession, it would be counter productive if smart Foreign Investors and their lawyers, could and would circumnavigate the whole process.
If EDMOs need to be strengthened, then so be it. |
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over a year ago
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Surely this is got to be a good thing.
Does anyone have any better ideas?
Over my life time i have seen most council houses bought leaving no low cost housing for the young or homeless.
This country now has a army of landlords due to been able to buy council houses at next to nothing!
"For the grace of god go i"..Your nice and warm with the Tv on watching some crappy day time tv. Wondering what to have for lunch! While reading the daily mail and shaking your head in disbelieve and outrage at this headline.
Give the less fortunate a chance..homes are for living in..homes are for bringing up familys..homes are something you can pass on to your kids....Homes should not be left empty so you can open the curtains in the morning check your bank balance and wonder how you can make your next few thousand!
A great help to a growing problem problem out there...who knows i might be stepping over you one day!! |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Labour is pledging to provide 8,000 homes "immediately" to house people with a history of rough sleeping, should it win power.
Party leader Jeremy Corbyn said they would also help councils "take over" properties kept empty deliberately
Should Empty properties be taken over and used to accommodate the homeless and people on long waiting lists?
Is it legal what he proposes?
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If parliament passes a law saying it is, then it is. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"there is something grossly insulting about the idea you would build some luxury block and deliberately keep it empty.
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Nothing insulting what eo ever, nevermind "grossly" , it's not as if a homeless person was going to buy the luxury apartment we're they ??"
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It's appropriate that our national infrastructure should work for the benefit of the majority of citizens. It's good that some thinking is being put into helping to care for society's most vulnerable and there are many thousands of empty properties that could be repurposed for such reasonable purposes.
I think there probably needs to be a move towards mansion taxes that are set properly to fun high levels of social justice and care. |
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former SAS soldier who participated in the 1980 Iranian Embassy siege has revealed he is unable to get a council house despite one of the terrorists living in taxpayer-funded accommodation.
Bob Curry, who served in the Special Air Service for 16 years has said he’s been forced to sell his medals and sleep on his daughter's sofa after Herefordshire Council was unable to find him a home.
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Meanwhile Fowzi Nejad, 61, the only terrorist to survive the siege, cannot be sent back to Iran because of human rights laws so instead lives in Peckham, south London.
Nejad spent 28 years in jail before he became eligible for parole three years ago. It is reported that he is now living rent free.
When asked about Nejad, the army veteran said: “As far as I'm concerned he should still be in prison. He murdered people in this country.”
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A spokesman for Herefordshire Council said: "Herefordshire Council can confirm that it is actively working with this individual to secure accommodation within the county |
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"I would tax all second homes so high that it's not financially viable. "
I’d be worried about the consequences here.
Take the demand out of the housing market and prices will fall.
Lower prices equals higher LTV ratios.
And so mortgage interest rates go up.
Increase in defaults. Properties flood the market. Prices go down.
In a deflationary market who risks buying and going into negative equity ?
Bubble bust.
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"I would tax all second homes so high that it's not financially viable.
Why is that? whats wrong with a 2nd home" Second homes drive up the price of property for the working class.Both of my neighbours are second home owners.Its especially a problem in rural locations and in coastal communities or any place that's considered a holiday destination.Second home owners destroy communities and locals can no longer afford to live in places they were born.Id put 80 % inheritance tax on them.
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"former SAS soldier who participated in the 1980 Iranian Embassy siege has revealed he is unable to get a council house despite one of the terrorists living in taxpayer-funded accommodation.
Bob Curry, who served in the Special Air Service for 16 years has said he’s been forced to sell his medals and sleep on his daughter's sofa after Herefordshire Council was unable to find him a home.
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Meanwhile Fowzi Nejad, 61, the only terrorist to survive the siege, cannot be sent back to Iran because of human rights laws so instead lives in Peckham, south London.
Nejad spent 28 years in jail before he became eligible for parole three years ago. It is reported that he is now living rent free.
When asked about Nejad, the army veteran said: “As far as I'm concerned he should still be in prison. He murdered people in this country.”
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A spokesman for Herefordshire Council said: "Herefordshire Council can confirm that it is actively working with this individual to secure accommodation within the county" ...Glad you mentioned Bob Curry on here..We attended a Gala dinner last Saturday and the room donated £2.000 for this Heroe. |
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"former SAS soldier who participated in the 1980 Iranian Embassy siege has revealed he is unable to get a council house despite one of the terrorists living in taxpayer-funded accommodation.
Bob Curry, who served in the Special Air Service for 16 years has said he’s been forced to sell his medals and sleep on his daughter's sofa after Herefordshire Council was unable to find him a home.
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Meanwhile Fowzi Nejad, 61, the only terrorist to survive the siege, cannot be sent back to Iran because of human rights laws so instead lives in Peckham, south London.
Nejad spent 28 years in jail before he became eligible for parole three years ago. It is reported that he is now living rent free.
When asked about Nejad, the army veteran said: “As far as I'm concerned he should still be in prison. He murdered people in this country.”
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A spokesman for Herefordshire Council said: "Herefordshire Council can confirm that it is actively working with this individual to secure accommodation within the county"
While this is a shitty place to be in, a more full council quote was
“Unfortunately, to date the individual has not provided all the documentation needed to legally register for housing.
"However, regardless of this, the council’s housing team has found and offered two different forms of accommodation, in areas which were agreeable to the individual, but which have subsequently been turned down.
"We are continuing to work with the individual to help them secure appropriate housing." |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"former SAS soldier who participated in the 1980 Iranian Embassy siege has revealed he is unable to get a council house despite one of the terrorists living in taxpayer-funded accommodation.
Bob Curry, who served in the Special Air Service for 16 years has said he’s been forced to sell his medals and sleep on his daughter's sofa after Herefordshire Council was unable to find him a home.
.
Meanwhile Fowzi Nejad, 61, the only terrorist to survive the siege, cannot be sent back to Iran because of human rights laws so instead lives in Peckham, south London.
Nejad spent 28 years in jail before he became eligible for parole three years ago. It is reported that he is now living rent free.
When asked about Nejad, the army veteran said: “As far as I'm concerned he should still be in prison. He murdered people in this country.”
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A spokesman for Herefordshire Council said: "Herefordshire Council can confirm that it is actively working with this individual to secure accommodation within the county
While this is a shitty place to be in, a more full council quote was
“Unfortunately, to date the individual has not provided all the documentation needed to legally register for housing.
"However, regardless of this, the council’s housing team has found and offered two different forms of accommodation, in areas which were agreeable to the individual, but which have subsequently been turned down.
"We are continuing to work with the individual to help them secure appropriate housing.""
It's also not the full story.
Bob Curry ran a business for some years after he left the forces, which then went bust, bankrupting him and thus leaving him homeless. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"former SAS soldier who participated in the 1980 Iranian Embassy siege has revealed he is unable to get a council house despite one of the terrorists living in taxpayer-funded accommodation.
Bob Curry, who served in the Special Air Service for 16 years has said he’s been forced to sell his medals and sleep on his daughter's sofa after Herefordshire Council was unable to find him a home.
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poor career choice .... he should've got a job in the american oil industry and put away at least £600 a month into a pension .... the government would've given him a tasty tax break and he could've retired early |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"former SAS soldier who participated in the 1980 Iranian Embassy siege has revealed he is unable to get a council house despite one of the terrorists living in taxpayer-funded accommodation.
Bob Curry, who served in the Special Air Service for 16 years has said he’s been forced to sell his medals and sleep on his daughter's sofa after Herefordshire Council was unable to find him a home.
.
Meanwhile Fowzi Nejad, 61, the only terrorist to survive the siege, cannot be sent back to Iran because of human rights laws so instead lives in Peckham, south London.
Nejad spent 28 years in jail before he became eligible for parole three years ago. It is reported that he is now living rent free.
When asked about Nejad, the army veteran said: “As far as I'm concerned he should still be in prison. He murdered people in this country.”
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A spokesman for Herefordshire Council said: "Herefordshire Council can confirm that it is actively working with this individual to secure accommodation within the county"
I had understood that he sold his medals to finance a business. The council said that he has offered him 2 properties, both of which he has turned down. As a veteran there are plenty of other avenues open to him including TRBL, ssafa, Haig Homes, SPACES, Amicus Trust, Stoll etc.
There is no reason for any veteran to be homeless. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"former SAS soldier who participated in the 1980 Iranian Embassy siege has revealed he is unable to get a council house despite one of the terrorists living in taxpayer-funded accommodation.
Bob Curry, who served in the Special Air Service for 16 years has said he’s been forced to sell his medals and sleep on his daughter's sofa after Herefordshire Council was unable to find him a home.
.
Meanwhile Fowzi Nejad, 61, the only terrorist to survive the siege, cannot be sent back to Iran because of human rights laws so instead lives in Peckham, south London.
Nejad spent 28 years in jail before he became eligible for parole three years ago. It is reported that he is now living rent free.
When asked about Nejad, the army veteran said: “As far as I'm concerned he should still be in prison. He murdered people in this country.”
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A spokesman for Herefordshire Council said: "Herefordshire Council can confirm that it is actively working with this individual to secure accommodation within the county...Glad you mentioned Bob Curry on here..We attended a Gala dinner last Saturday and the room donated £2.000 for this Heroe."
Two quid, wow, and you can't even spell hero. ![](/icons/s/rolleyes.gif) |
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"former SAS soldier who participated in the 1980 Iranian Embassy siege has revealed he is unable to get a council house despite one of the terrorists living in taxpayer-funded accommodation.
Bob Curry, who served in the Special Air Service for 16 years has said he’s been forced to sell his medals and sleep on his daughter's sofa after Herefordshire Council was unable to find him a home.
.
Meanwhile Fowzi Nejad, 61, the only terrorist to survive the siege, cannot be sent back to Iran because of human rights laws so instead lives in Peckham, south London.
Nejad spent 28 years in jail before he became eligible for parole three years ago. It is reported that he is now living rent free.
When asked about Nejad, the army veteran said: “As far as I'm concerned he should still be in prison. He murdered people in this country.”
.
A spokesman for Herefordshire Council said: "Herefordshire Council can confirm that it is actively working with this individual to secure accommodation within the county
I had understood that he sold his medals to finance a business. The council said that he has offered him 2 properties, both of which he has turned down. As a veteran there are plenty of other avenues open to him including TRBL, ssafa, Haig Homes, SPACES, Amicus Trust, Stoll etc.
There is no reason for any veteran to be homeless. "
That's not the case, you have parts right but not all
ITV are following this very closely and are going into great detail with this case
Herefordshire Council refused to comment
ITV are assisting and covering the story fully
They are also fighting for proper recognition for the former SAS soldiers who participated in the 1980 Iranian Embassy siege |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"former SAS soldier who participated in the 1980 Iranian Embassy siege has revealed he is unable to get a council house despite one of the terrorists living in taxpayer-funded accommodation.
Bob Curry, who served in the Special Air Service for 16 years has said he’s been forced to sell his medals and sleep on his daughter's sofa after Herefordshire Council was unable to find him a home.
.
Meanwhile Fowzi Nejad, 61, the only terrorist to survive the siege, cannot be sent back to Iran because of human rights laws so instead lives in Peckham, south London.
Nejad spent 28 years in jail before he became eligible for parole three years ago. It is reported that he is now living rent free.
When asked about Nejad, the army veteran said: “As far as I'm concerned he should still be in prison. He murdered people in this country.”
.
A spokesman for Herefordshire Council said: "Herefordshire Council can confirm that it is actively working with this individual to secure accommodation within the county
I had understood that he sold his medals to finance a business. The council said that he has offered him 2 properties, both of which he has turned down. As a veteran there are plenty of other avenues open to him including TRBL, ssafa, Haig Homes, SPACES, Amicus Trust, Stoll etc.
There is no reason for any veteran to be homeless.
That's not the case, you have parts right but not all
ITV are following this very closely and are going into great detail with this case
Herefordshire Council refused to comment
ITV are assisting and covering the story fully
They are also fighting for proper recognition for the former SAS soldiers who participated in the 1980 Iranian Embassy siege"
A Herefordshire council have commented, the quote was given above. The Telegraph incorrectly blamed Hertfordshire county council! |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"I would tax all second homes so high that it's not financially viable. "
There are more imaginative ways to do the same thing and the answer really can come from the local councils - tax and planning departments.
Primary residences can easily be differentiated from secondary residences and can also be differentiated from “overseas” investor owners. The planning departments can nominate residency restrictions on holiday homes (indeed some already do). This separates holiday homes from primary residences. I believe also that at least one slake District Vouncil proposed, or even enacted a local covenant on all residential properties that buyers had to have permanently lived within that or an adjacent council boundary for the last X years. |
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"former SAS soldier who participated in the 1980 Iranian Embassy siege has revealed he is unable to get a council house despite one of the terrorists living in taxpayer-funded accommodation.
Bob Curry, who served in the Special Air Service for 16 years has said he’s been forced to sell his medals and sleep on his daughter's sofa after Herefordshire Council was unable to find him a home.
.
Meanwhile Fowzi Nejad, 61, the only terrorist to survive the siege, cannot be sent back to Iran because of human rights laws so instead lives in Peckham, south London.
Nejad spent 28 years in jail before he became eligible for parole three years ago. It is reported that he is now living rent free.
When asked about Nejad, the army veteran said: “As far as I'm concerned he should still be in prison. He murdered people in this country.”
.
A spokesman for Herefordshire Council said: "Herefordshire Council can confirm that it is actively working with this individual to secure accommodation within the county
I had understood that he sold his medals to finance a business. The council said that he has offered him 2 properties, both of which he has turned down. As a veteran there are plenty of other avenues open to him including TRBL, ssafa, Haig Homes, SPACES, Amicus Trust, Stoll etc.
There is no reason for any veteran to be homeless.
That's not the case, you have parts right but not all
ITV are following this very closely and are going into great detail with this case
Herefordshire Council refused to comment
ITV are assisting and covering the story fully
They are also fighting for proper recognition for the former SAS soldiers who participated in the 1980 Iranian Embassy siege
A Herefordshire council have commented, the quote was given above. The Telegraph incorrectly blamed Hertfordshire county council!"
CLCC
perhaps you should watch the broadcast |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"former SAS soldier who participated in the 1980 Iranian Embassy siege has revealed he is unable to get a council house despite one of the terrorists living in taxpayer-funded accommodation.
Bob Curry, who served in the Special Air Service for 16 years has said he’s been forced to sell his medals and sleep on his daughter's sofa after Herefordshire Council was unable to find him a home.
.
Meanwhile Fowzi Nejad, 61, the only terrorist to survive the siege, cannot be sent back to Iran because of human rights laws so instead lives in Peckham, south London.
Nejad spent 28 years in jail before he became eligible for parole three years ago. It is reported that he is now living rent free.
When asked about Nejad, the army veteran said: “As far as I'm concerned he should still be in prison. He murdered people in this country.”
.
A spokesman for Herefordshire Council said: "Herefordshire Council can confirm that it is actively working with this individual to secure accommodation within the county
I had understood that he sold his medals to finance a business. The council said that he has offered him 2 properties, both of which he has turned down. As a veteran there are plenty of other avenues open to him including TRBL, ssafa, Haig Homes, SPACES, Amicus Trust, Stoll etc.
There is no reason for any veteran to be homeless.
That's not the case, you have parts right but not all
ITV are following this very closely and are going into great detail with this case
Herefordshire Council refused to comment
ITV are assisting and covering the story fully
They are also fighting for proper recognition for the former SAS soldiers who participated in the 1980 Iranian Embassy siege
A Herefordshire council have commented, the quote was given above. The Telegraph incorrectly blamed Hertfordshire county council!
CLCC
perhaps you should watch the broadcast"
Send me the link and I'll watch it, but the fact remains, there is no need for any veteran to be homeless. ![](/icons/s/wink.gif) |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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Why home the homeless,surely we should house families first and not the street people.
Also it is not a vote winner as the homeless will not be voting and the people that do vote do so for there own self interest in most cases. |
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over a year ago
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"Why home the homeless,surely we should house families first and not the street people.
Also it is not a vote winner as the homeless will not be voting and the people that do vote do so for there own self interest in most cases."
Jesus Christ - and the strong will do what they must and the weak must suffer what they will, much?
For the record it costs the state 3 times as much to keep a person alive when homeless or rough sleeping - according to American studies, this excludes donations from donor only charities.
So quite frankly from an economically conservative point of view its worth it money wise getting people off the streets, never mind the ethics. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"did not see the last labour gov do much for the homeless....fake news and dreaming....old jezza just kicking out more crap to keep him on our screens...keep he red flag flying "
There was a downward trend in homeless figures reaching a low of 40,000 at the end of 2009. Since the 2010 election, homeless figures increased every year and at the end of 2017 there were 300,000.
So in fact the last Labour Government was effectively reducing homelessness, but that all changed in 2010. |
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"I would tax all second homes so high that it's not financially viable.
There are more imaginative ways to do the same thing and the answer really can come from the local councils - tax and planning departments.
Primary residences can easily be differentiated from secondary residences and can also be differentiated from “overseas” investor owners. The planning departments can nominate residency restrictions on holiday homes (indeed some already do). This separates holiday homes from primary residences. I believe also that at least one slake District Vouncil proposed, or even enacted a local covenant on all residential properties that buyers had to have permanently lived within that or an adjacent council boundary for the last X years."
Agreed, taxes arent always the answer but really do neeed a national policy to ensure all houses are being used for active residency by those who are contributing here.
You want a holiday home, maybe you then need to pay more tax on, unless you are running it as an enterprise which is putting an assessable amount back into the local economy
I do think I still find it attrocious that all that tax payer money for council housing has manifested itself as property for private letting property. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Why home the homeless,surely we should house families first and not the street people.
Also it is not a vote winner as the homeless will not be voting and the people that do vote do so for there own self interest in most cases.
Jesus Christ - and the strong will do what they must and the weak must suffer what they will, much?
For the record it costs the state 3 times as much to keep a person alive when homeless or rough sleeping - according to American studies, this excludes donations from donor only charities.
So quite frankly from an economically conservative point of view its worth it money wise getting people off the streets, never mind the ethics." I did not say it was fair or right just stated a fact |
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