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Hot on the heels on Boris the clown talking about bridges to deflect attention from the utter balls up that brexit is, we have the defence minister saying Russia is ready to kill us by the 1000's. Again another desperate attention to stop people prodding the rotting carcass that is the brexit situation.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Hot on the heels on Boris the clown talking about bridges to deflect attention from the utter balls up that brexit is, we have the defence minister saying Russia is ready to kill us by the 1000's. Again another desperate attention to stop people prodding the rotting carcass that is the brexit situation.
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Care to actually tell the whole story, rather than the part that suits your narrative?
Gavin Williamson's remarks have been backed up by the well respected (and Labour peer) Lord West.
The threat is real and needs to be addressed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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offshore systems can be easy to hack and get into, no real protection there, and the amount of guys logging on to websites they shouldn't access us unbelievable, Control room ops even do this on control room pc's, suspect it would be very easy to fire in some nasty virus.
subsea pipelines are not protected either, they can be reached and messed with if someone desired to do this. |
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"offshore systems can be easy to hack and get into, no real protection there, and the amount of guys logging on to websites they shouldn't access us unbelievable, Control room ops even do this on control room pc's, suspect it would be very easy to fire in some nasty virus.
subsea pipelines are not protected either, they can be reached and messed with if someone desired to do this."
Are you hinting at the use of viruses to close valves while showing them open increasing pressures to a point that wellheads or other system critical valves catastrophically fail? (The Israelis weaponized a CIA cyberop to do this already. (Thus giving exposing its existence to the Russians who it is believed have since used the same virus to attack Western industrial interests to their political and economic benefit.)... |
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"offshore systems can be easy to hack and get into, no real protection there, and the amount of guys logging on to websites they shouldn't access us unbelievable, Control room ops even do this on control room pc's, suspect it would be very easy to fire in some nasty virus.
subsea pipelines are not protected either, they can be reached and messed with if someone desired to do this.
Are you hinting at the use of viruses to close valves while showing them open increasing pressures to a point that wellheads or other system critical valves catastrophically fail? (The Israelis weaponized a CIA cyberop to do this already. (Thus giving exposing its existence to the Russians who it is believed have since used the same virus to attack Western industrial interests to their political and economic benefit.)..."
wont happen
psv's
sssv's |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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I heard a report by a telephone engineer, who used to maintain the undersea telephone and communications cables back in the 60s.
He reported that they often got "interfered" with, and it was no coincidence that an East German trawler was in the area at the time.
The next war, God forbid, could well be started or finished by a devastating millisecond burst of "dirty" data. We need to be prepared. |
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"wont happen
psv's
sssv's"
Funny that...
You really need to keep up.
Those are the very systems that have been firmware hacked by the CIA for years and that firmware was weaponized by mosad who then used it to cause critical failures in Iranian nuclear plants (all information is in the public domain).
So please stop pretending you actually know what you are talking about when it comes to defence issues. You may have been an artificer in the RN or RAF but it is clear you never progressed beyond being a cog in the military machine. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"wont happen
psv's
sssv's
Funny that...
You really need to keep up.
Those are the very systems that have been firmware hacked by the CIA for years and that firmware was weaponized by mosad who then used it to cause critical failures in Iranian nuclear plants (all information is in the public domain).
So please stop pretending you actually know what you are talking about when it comes to defence issues. You may have been an artificer in the RN or RAF but it is clear you never progressed beyond being a cog in the military machine."
what controls a psv?
and you are aware sssv's & hmv's are hydraulic |
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"what controls a psv?
and you are aware sssv's & hmv's are hydraulic"
I am aware they have control boards built into them and the firmware on the chips has been compromised and as a result they can be remotely opened or closed thus critically changing pressure and flow without triggering any alarms until the valves catastrophically fail. Of course if the right valve is opened or closed the catastrophic failure results in an explosion that can cause a cascade...
I am also aware that there is at present an emergency retro-refitting of known problem control circuits but because of the nature of the weaponized chips no one knows which ones carry the known CIA virus, Israeli virus or Russian virus. Or which (possibly other countries or private enterprises) have also developed and introduced similar viruses to firmware control chips or other system critical chips including domestic white goods.
It is clear you have no idea of what the issue is. Maybe rather than telling us all how secure systems are you would do better asking questions and making yourself at least as knowledgeable on the subject as me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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PSV's do not have any electrical or system control, they are fail safe and mechanical operated by pressure lifting the spring.
SSSV's & HMV's are manually hydraulic operated, it requires an outside operator to manually open hydraulics
how can you remotely open or close a PSV? |
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"PSV's do not have any electrical or system control, they are fail safe and mechanical operated by pressure lifting the spring.
SSSV's & HMV's are manually hydraulic operated, it requires an outside operator to manually open hydraulics
how can you remotely open or close a PSV?"
I guess you need to explain the operation of critical pressure release control valves to all those that use them and explain to them that they are not remotely operated and that there is no way to embed malware in the control chips that monitor and adjust flow trough them remotely because they all have artificers like you there 24 hours a day doing the monitoring and adjustments as required...
Or maybe you are talking about the manually adjusted backup systems that flow is diverted into when there is a system failure in the automated system...
Of course if the automated system is programmed in a way that does not report failures until a part of the system blows up you get dead Iranian nuclear scientists and technicians and the CIA going spare when it becomes apparent that MOSAD has weaponized and used a system they developed to monitor and spy on other countries. Of course round the same time as the CIA became aware of what had happened so did the Russians and they developed (and have used) their own version of the same piece of malicious firmware. (And if the Israel and Russia have done it everyone else is either doing or has done it too.) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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will, I have no idea where you get this "artificer" notion that I have ever worked in RAF or military, they simply do not pay enough cash or provide decent pension
I have worked offshore for 30 years, initially a mechanical technician working on aircraft engines such as Rolls Royce Avons, RB211's, Solars, John Browns, etc
I changed over to production working as a process op and control room operator, also a NVQ/SVQ assessor
I am simply referring to subsea pipelines and offshore platforms because that is what the OP is referring to.
I am stating that today in todays World, pipelines and oil rigs are designed to be fail safe, people can hack into systems and interfere, but this will cause trips & shutdowns, these in turn are a nightmare, but they are not as you initially stated explosions from over pressurisation
im not trying to take the piss out of you, im simply saying that in todays offshore environment things are designed "Fail Safe"
I cannot speak about CIA, Israel, Russia, nuclear plants, because I have not worked there.
But I do know offshore oilrigs inside out, it was my job, from build, commissioning, to first oil, then running platform from control room as well as outside ops. |
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Just getting over the shock of a Defense secretary claiming his department needs £££££££ more cash. Think hanging around with all those uniforms and testosterone must give them a stiff for people dying. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"will, I have no idea where you get this "artificer" notion that I have ever worked in RAF or military, they simply do not pay enough cash or provide decent pension
I have worked offshore for 30 years, initially a mechanical technician working on aircraft engines such as Rolls Royce Avons, RB211's, Solars, John Browns, etc
I changed over to production working as a process op and control room operator, also a NVQ/SVQ assessor."
if you hadn't made such diabolically poor career and pension choices then you could've retired after 16 years at age 32 like me  |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Just getting over the shock of a Defense secretary claiming his department needs £££££££ more cash. Think hanging around with all those uniforms and testosterone must give them a stiff for people dying."
Developed countries tend to spend upto 4% of GDP on Defence. The UK is currently struggling along at about 2%. |
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RareCask, I got the idea that you were ex forces because on more than one occasion you have referred to yourself as an artificer, and that is a military term used for a senior mechanic.
PLC's are used to control flow valves in the oil industry both above and underwater, these are supposed to be fail-safe but are vulnerable to reprogramming and therefore the systems they control are not fail-safe regardless of what you have been told. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"RareCask, I got the idea that you were ex forces because on more than one occasion you have referred to yourself as an artificer, and that is a military term used for a senior mechanic.
PLC's are used to control flow valves in the oil industry both above and underwater, these are supposed to be fail-safe but are vulnerable to reprogramming and therefore the systems they control are not fail-safe regardless of what you have been told."
check back any thread, I have never referred myself as being an artificer, you must be getting mixed up
PLC devices are nothing to do with PSV's
PLC valves can be used for cascade flow, or indeed flow control, but nothing to do with over pressure protection
PSV's are factory set, you can have 3 or more on a system such as pipeline, they have inspection and change out dates also
I tried to also say c h o k e valves too but you are not allowed to say that word on here |
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