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"JLR have stated that they are cutting production due to Brexit. How many Brexiters want to tell us that JLR are lying and it has nothing to do with Brexit? "I am not sure that this is all to do with Brexit. Maybe something also to do with the uncertainty over diesel and the fact that the two specific cars mentioned are diesel powered. That said, Brexit or fuel confusion, or both it is still at the feet of this shower of incompetents. | |||
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"JLR have stated that they are cutting production due to Brexit. How many Brexiters want to tell us that JLR are lying and it has nothing to do with Brexit? "It has been reported that the economy will do much better than expected this year.Once again your very selective in what you say. Vauxalls near me is hoping for an upturn in production this year. If you want to quote the economy quote both sides or why bother | |||
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"JLR have stated that they are cutting production due to Brexit. How many Brexiters want to tell us that JLR are lying and it has nothing to do with Brexit? It has been reported that the economy will do much better than expected this year.Once again your very selective in what you say.
Vauxalls near me is hoping for an upturn in production this year.
If you want to quote the economy quote both sides or why bother"Bingo! That didn't take long  | |||
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"JLR have stated that they are cutting production due to Brexit. How many Brexiters want to tell us that JLR are lying and it has nothing to do with Brexit? It has been reported that the economy will do much better than expected this year.Once again your very selective in what you say.
Vauxalls near me is hoping for an upturn in production this year.
If you want to quote the economy quote both sides or why bother"There doing that well..that car company near you there making a further 250 people redundant on top of those already announced....and have stated that there future is not guaranteed  | |||
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"It has been reported that the economy will do much better than expected this year.Once again your very selective in what you say. Vauxalls near me is hoping for an upturn in production this year. If you want to quote the economy quote both sides or why bother" A yes, Vauxhall Ellesmere Port has such a bright future that in the last 3 months there have been 2 separate redundancy notices. The first 400 in October and then another 250 at the start of this month. Now considering that in October there were 1800 employed in Ellesmere Port and that means that OVER a third of the workforce have been cut in 3 months I would not be parading this as a positive record. But then I am a realist. | |||
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"JLR have stated that they are cutting production due to Brexit. How many Brexiters want to tell us that JLR are lying and it has nothing to do with Brexit? It has been reported that the economy will do much better than expected this year.Once again your very selective in what you say.
Vauxalls near me is hoping for an upturn in production this year.
If you want to quote the economy quote both sides or why bother"Are you on about the economy forecast on the BBC this morning? If youvread the report it explains that this year the economy is forecast to be hit LESS THAN expected. As a Tory ex-minister explained this is due to GLOBAL TRADE being conducted BETTER INTERNATIONALLY and due to some collections of countries (the EU, JAPAN, S.KOREA, CANADA are stated -funnily enough all have recently hashed out trade deals) performing BETTER THAN THEIR FORECASTS. All commentors who went on Bloomberg today who I saw explained that the UK has done little to help in our economic forecast. We are simply benifiting from the better performance of other nations. As someone explained, agri and tech products from the EU and EU trade partner nations will be cheaper due to better trade freedoms, as we are a net importer nation, cheaper products will to some extent mitigate the devalue of the sterling and leave most people will a fraction more spending power than expected. This is expected to last a year tops. Nothing to develop a stratergy on. | |||
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"JLR have stated that they are cutting production due to Brexit. How many Brexiters want to tell us that JLR are lying and it has nothing to do with Brexit? It has been reported that the economy will do much better than expected this year.Once again your very selective in what you say.
Vauxalls near me is hoping for an upturn in production this year.
If you want to quote the economy quote both sides or why bother"The economy will still do worse than it would of without brexit. Same report. Brexit will Hurt. You can't put lipstick on a pig, although Johnson etc are trying. | |||
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"Like to say I couldn't be happier, the demise of the car is long overdue, you fuckers have been ruining the planet and killing people with your pollution for far too long "I drive a Hilux son, always have, "the car in front is the Toyota" Im the one that pulls cars outa ditches when they find they cannot drive in Scottish winter snow. some cant just hop on the tube or tram like you, or ride your silly bicycle around town, some live in the countryside and need a 4x4 for both on, and off road you probably nip into costa and buy yourself a coffee each day too | |||
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"Like to say I couldn't be happier, the demise of the car is long overdue, you fuckers have been ruining the planet and killing people with your pollution for far too long
I drive a Hilux son,
always have, "the car in front is the Toyota"
Im the one that pulls cars outa ditches when they find they cannot drive in Scottish winter snow.
some cant just hop on the tube or tram like you, or ride your silly bicycle around town, some live in the countryside and need a 4x4 for both on, and off road
you probably nip into costa and buy yourself a coffee each day too ". Its human nature to be a lazy bugger, you have to fight it everyday.. I'll be happier when it's all forced upon you | |||
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"JLR have stated that they are cutting production due to Brexit. How many Brexiters want to tell us that JLR are lying and it has nothing to do with Brexit? "JLR are lying and it has nothing to do with brexit  | |||
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"JLR have stated that they are cutting production due to Brexit. How many Brexiters want to tell us that JLR are lying and it has nothing to do with Brexit?
JLR are lying and it has nothing to do with brexit "
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"It's strange that brexiteers who are famously patriotic abandon their beliefs when it comes to supporting UK industry. If you want brexit to be a success then you should be buying UK products not Japanese etc. Back Britain and not brag your driving a Toyota when Land Rover have a similar vehicle! " similar maybe, but not the "best" and of no use for my needs where would you put a red stag you have just shot in a land rover??? | |||
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"JLR have stated that they are cutting production due to Brexit. How many Brexiters want to tell us that JLR are lying and it has nothing to do with Brexit?
JLR are lying and it has nothing to do with brexit
JLR are lying and it has nothing to do with brexit"So speaks the word of our new world leader | |||
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"It's strange that brexiteers who are famously patriotic abandon their beliefs when it comes to supporting UK industry. If you want brexit to be a success then you should be buying UK products not Japanese etc. Back Britain and not brag your driving a Toyota when Land Rover have a similar vehicle! similar maybe, but not the "best" and of no use for my needs where would you put a red stag you have just shot in a land rover???" Land Rover always had that iconic image, had a few friends that had them, defenders, sure they could do all that off-road stuff and took a battering, I always laughed at the components and they always looked to me that they had parts borrowed from other BL cars. I often thought about getting a second hand ex military one. But I opted for newer Japanese versions. A lot of things sold me, price, reliability, parts, comfort. Yes I can chuck half a tree in the back, carry a sheep, drive in a muddy field, and still travel in comfort on the motorway. Oh and my Isuzu is pretty damn good at pulling the disco's out of ditch when the townies come out to play in the snow. | |||
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"It's strange that brexiteers who are famously patriotic abandon their beliefs when it comes to supporting UK industry. If you want brexit to be a success then you should be buying UK products not Japanese etc. Back Britain and not brag your driving a Toyota when Land Rover have a similar vehicle! similar maybe, but not the "best" and of no use for my needs where would you put a red stag you have just shot in a land rover??? Land Rover always had that iconic image, had a few friends that had them, defenders, sure they could do all that off-road stuff and took a battering, I always laughed at the components and they always looked to me that they had parts borrowed from other BL cars. I often thought about getting a second hand ex military one. But I opted for newer Japanese versions. A lot of things sold me, price, reliability, parts, comfort. Yes I can chuck half a tree in the back, carry a sheep, drive in a muddy field, and still travel in comfort on the motorway. Oh and my Isuzu is pretty damn good at pulling the disco's out of ditch when the townies come out to play in the snow. " | |||
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"It has been reported that the economy will do much better than expected this year.Once again your very selective in what you say. Vauxalls near me is hoping for an upturn in production this year. If you want to quote the economy quote both sides or why bother A yes, Vauxhall Ellesmere Port has such a bright future that in the last 3 months there have been 2 separate redundancy notices. The first 400 in October and then another 250 at the start of this month. Now considering that in October there were 1800 employed in Ellesmere Port and that means that OVER a third of the workforce have been cut in 3 months I would not be parading this as a positive record. But then I am a realist." Why would a deal done between and American company on one side and a French one on the other have anything to do with the British government? General Motors made huge cutbacks all over Europe including the total closure of a massive Opel factory at Bochum Germany. Then they flogged what was left to PSA group. Yes it is sad that jobs are being shed at Ellesmere Port but be thankful that there still is a factory. Bochum would be glad of it. | |||
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" similar maybe, but not the "best" and of no use for my needs where would you put a red stag you have just shot in a land rover???" Really? 80% of all Land Rovers registered in the UK since 1948 and 75% of all Land Rovers built worldwide are still on the road. How does Toyoto compare? Not so well I bet. | |||
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" similar maybe, but not the "best" and of no use for my needs where would you put a red stag you have just shot in a land rover??? Really? 80% of all Land Rovers registered in the UK since 1948 and 75% of all Land Rovers built worldwide are still on the road. How does Toyoto compare? Not so well I bet." Yes they are an iconic vehicle there is no doubt about that. The owners that keep them on the road. They are real enthusiasts. However keeping them on the road is a continuous battle. Most of my mates went down the galvanised chassis route and the rear crossmember is notorious for rotting out. I am a fan, just I drive a vehicle that suits my needs and has excellent trade in leverage against a new one. When I trade it in, it still has 2 years left on the warranty. Top Gear did a famouse clip with the Toyota high lux, absolutely wrecked it by dropping it off a building and it still ran after, also the North Pole trip in a mitsubishi. Different people have different requirements, I like land rover but the Isuzu suits my needs better. Isuzu only make Trucks nothing else, so their development is solely dedicated to making efficient, hard wearing, safe, reliable vehicles with driver comfort. | |||
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" similar maybe, but not the "best" and of no use for my needs where would you put a red stag you have just shot in a land rover??? Really? 80% of all Land Rovers registered in the UK since 1948 and 75% of all Land Rovers built worldwide are still on the road. How does Toyoto compare? Not so well I bet. Yes they are an iconic vehicle there is no doubt about that. The owners that keep them on the road. They are real enthusiasts. However keeping them on the road is a continuous battle. Most of my mates went down the galvanised chassis route and the rear crossmember is notorious for rotting out. I am a fan, just I drive a vehicle that suits my needs and has excellent trade in leverage against a new one. When I trade it in, it still has 2 years left on the warranty. Top Gear did a famouse clip with the Toyota high lux, absolutely wrecked it by dropping it off a building and it still ran after, also the North Pole trip in a mitsubishi. Different people have different requirements, I like land rover but the Isuzu suits my needs better. Isuzu only make Trucks nothing else, so their development is solely dedicated to making efficient, hard wearing, safe, reliable vehicles with driver comfort. " Jamie Oliver used the brexit excuse to close some of his restaurants. Nothing to do with then being over prices and food is crap !!!! | |||
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"Yes fed up with political point scoring time after time ...we voted out .deal with it get on with it......ps macron said if the French had a vote they would also exit....so soon we may not be alone xxx" He actually didnt say that...what he said in the context of a simple yes/no question....which he thought was a ridiculous question to have been put anyway  | |||
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"Well in that case perhaps he should ask his people ....yes no in out all the same ....check the times for his answer .." I have checked it....perhaps you should actually read what he said....i also listened to the interview | |||
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"Well done u ...still I can't wait for this to be all over and we prosper with out the handbreak on our great country. Xx" Im almost sure theres as many stupid people in France though as there are here | |||
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"Well done u ...still I can't wait for this to be all over and we prosper with out the handbreak on our great country. Xx" I can just picture those Spitfires flying over the old white cliffs now with dear old Vera sing her heart out....oh the memories | |||
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"The memories how fucking old are you like if you remember those days lol " old enough to remember my dads stories | |||
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"Yet you still mock leavers with spitfires and Vera Lynn as if it's something to be ashamed of ?" There was a time and place for that...and the lets make our country great again....Thatcher made sure in the 80s that this country will NEVER be great again by her actions. The thing THAT will make this country great again is inclusion....all i hear is leavers saying about how good this country was before the EU...well let me say i can never recall it being good UNTIL we joined the EU | |||
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"But you have to respect different ppls opinions instead of the same old shit slaining ppl and it's not just you it's both sides " I disagree with you on that....i have no respect for people that base there ideas on being racists sorry if i offend you | |||
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"You dint offend me because I'm Not a racist I just voted leave doesn't make me a bad person as it doesn't the 17 million that voted same way of corse there will be racists that voted leave as there will be that voted remain but to think that all leave voters are racist is just stupid mate and I think you know that " Proven most of the leave voters voted leave BECAUSE of immigration or colour of there skin...not everyone but the majority. So you tell me how we are going to make this country great again? | |||
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" similar maybe, but not the "best" and of no use for my needs where would you put a red stag you have just shot in a land rover??? Really? 80% of all Land Rovers registered in the UK since 1948 and 75% of all Land Rovers built worldwide are still on the road. How does Toyoto compare? Not so well I bet." read all the car mags and there rating you wouldnt find any that rates JLR reliability over Toyota in fact in almost all of them toyota is more reliable than any European car | |||
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"You dint offend me because I'm Not a racist I just voted leave doesn't make me a bad person as it doesn't the 17 million that voted same way of corse there will be racists that voted leave as there will be that voted remain but to think that all leave voters are racist is just stupid mate and I think you know that Proven most of the leave voters voted leave BECAUSE of immigration or colour of there skin...not everyone but the majority. So you tell me how we are going to make this country great again? "Yet there was a proven correlation between areas that voted Remain and the areas of highest migration. Many voted Leave on the basis of the rapid rise in migration, and not on the basis of migration. | |||
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"You dint offend me because I'm Not a racist I just voted leave doesn't make me a bad person as it doesn't the 17 million that voted same way of corse there will be racists that voted leave as there will be that voted remain but to think that all leave voters are racist is just stupid mate and I think you know that Proven most of the leave voters voted leave BECAUSE of immigration or colour of there skin...not everyone but the majority. So you tell me how we are going to make this country great again?
Yet there was a proven correlation between areas that voted Remain and the areas of highest migration.
Many voted Leave on the basis of the rapid rise in migration, and not on the basis of migration."You mean the immigration we had control of...migration means they go home ....and lots have and do | |||
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"You dint offend me because I'm Not a racist I just voted leave doesn't make me a bad person as it doesn't the 17 million that voted same way of corse there will be racists that voted leave as there will be that voted remain but to think that all leave voters are racist is just stupid mate and I think you know that Proven most of the leave voters voted leave BECAUSE of immigration or colour of there skin...not everyone but the majority. So you tell me how we are going to make this country great again? "see there you go again most of the eu migrants are white so how does the colour of there skin matter and how do you know it is the majority you just spout rubbish mate if it was anything to do with colour the racists as you call them would want to remain and close the door to Africa and Asia ffs | |||
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"You dint offend me because I'm Not a racist I just voted leave doesn't make me a bad person as it doesn't the 17 million that voted same way of corse there will be racists that voted leave as there will be that voted remain but to think that all leave voters are racist is just stupid mate and I think you know that Proven most of the leave voters voted leave BECAUSE of immigration or colour of there skin...not everyone but the majority. So you tell me how we are going to make this country great again? see there you go again most of the eu migrants are white so how does the colour of there skin matter and how do you know it is the majority you just spout rubbish mate if it was anything to do with colour the racists as you call them would want to remain and close the door to Africa and Asia ffs "Then what was the point of the banner with queues of people on it?....you really need a reality check...in fact id go as far to say you were sold a duffer and believed it...especially with your comment | |||
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"So some jerk made a banner and now you think 17 million ppl voted because of that and were lied to but couldn't make there own minds up be up because they were to stupid you talk asif you don't think there was lies on both sides mate i mean it's not like politians would tell lies " Yes the majority did | |||
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"See spouting crap again how the hell would you know this ? " Polls where done...its easy to find out on the demographics | |||
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"See spouting crap again how the hell would you know this ? Polls where done...its easy to find out on the demographics "Link please? | |||
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"So some jerk made a banner and now you think 17 million ppl voted because of that and were lied to but couldn't make there own minds up be up because they were to stupid you talk asif you don't think there was lies on both sides mate i mean it's not like politians would tell lies " The majority of them did yes Farage and his cronies were to blame People who are raciest need to be put up against the wall and pull the trigger | |||
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"See spouting crap again how the hell would you know this ? Polls where done...its easy to find out on the demographics
Link please?"Brexit: People voted to leave EU because they feared immigration, major survey finds Claims Leave vote was a result of general disenchantment with politics were 'widely off the mark', according to report Britain’s vote to leave the EU was the result of widespread anti-immigration sentiment, rather than a wider dissatisfaction with politics, according to a major survey of social attitudes in the UK. Findings from the British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey published on Wednesday show Brexit was the result of widespread concern over the numbers of people coming to the UK – millions of whom have done so under the EU’s freedom of movement rules in recent years. The research, collated by the National Centre for Social Research through a survey of nearly 3,000 British people, states suggestions by politicians and others that the Brexit vote represented a lightning rod for a general disenchantment with politics were “widely off the mark” Nearly three-quarters (73 per cent) of those who are worried about immigration voted Leave, compared with 36 per cent of those who did not identify this as a concern, the research found, showing the discrepancy in views about immigration between Remain and Leave voters. It also reveals that the longer any given voter felt EU migrants should have lived in the UK before qualifying for welfare benefits, the more likely they were to vote to leave the EU. Imm not posting the link as i got a forum ban last time...this information is out there and very easily found
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"See spouting crap again how the hell would you know this ? Polls where done...its easy to find out on the demographics
Link please?
Brexit: People voted to leave EU because they feared immigration, major survey finds
Claims Leave vote was a result of general disenchantment with politics were 'widely off the mark', according to report
Britain’s vote to leave the EU was the result of widespread anti-immigration sentiment, rather than a wider dissatisfaction with politics, according to a major survey of social attitudes in the UK.
Findings from the British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey published on Wednesday show Brexit was the result of widespread concern over the numbers of people coming to the UK – millions of whom have done so under the EU’s freedom of movement rules in recent years.
The research, collated by the National Centre for Social Research through a survey of nearly 3,000 British people, states suggestions by politicians and others that the Brexit vote represented a lightning rod for a general disenchantment with politics were “widely off the mark”
Nearly three-quarters (73 per cent) of those who are worried about immigration voted Leave, compared with 36 per cent of those who did not identify this as a concern, the research found, showing the discrepancy in views about immigration between Remain and Leave voters.
It also reveals that the longer any given voter felt EU migrants should have lived in the UK before qualifying for welfare benefits, the more likely they were to vote to leave the EU.
Imm not posting the link as i got a forum ban last time...this information is out there and very easily found
"But that doesn't tie up with the words "majority" and "banner"? | |||
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"See spouting crap again how the hell would you know this ? Polls where done...its easy to find out on the demographics
Link please?
Brexit: People voted to leave EU because they feared immigration, major survey finds
Claims Leave vote was a result of general disenchantment with politics were 'widely off the mark', according to report
Britain’s vote to leave the EU was the result of widespread anti-immigration sentiment, rather than a wider dissatisfaction with politics, according to a major survey of social attitudes in the UK.
Findings from the British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey published on Wednesday show Brexit was the result of widespread concern over the numbers of people coming to the UK – millions of whom have done so under the EU’s freedom of movement rules in recent years.
The research, collated by the National Centre for Social Research through a survey of nearly 3,000 British people, states suggestions by politicians and others that the Brexit vote represented a lightning rod for a general disenchantment with politics were “widely off the mark”
Nearly three-quarters (73 per cent) of those who are worried about immigration voted Leave, compared with 36 per cent of those who did not identify this as a concern, the research found, showing the discrepancy in views about immigration between Remain and Leave voters.
It also reveals that the longer any given voter felt EU migrants should have lived in the UK before qualifying for welfare benefits, the more likely they were to vote to leave the EU.
Imm not posting the link as i got a forum ban last time...this information is out there and very easily found
But that doesn't tie up with the words "majority" and "banner"?"Read into what you like I no what I believe | |||
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"See spouting crap again how the hell would you know this ? Polls where done...its easy to find out on the demographics
Link please?
Brexit: People voted to leave EU because they feared immigration, major survey finds
Claims Leave vote was a result of general disenchantment with politics were 'widely off the mark', according to report
Britain’s vote to leave the EU was the result of widespread anti-immigration sentiment, rather than a wider dissatisfaction with politics, according to a major survey of social attitudes in the UK.
Findings from the British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey published on Wednesday show Brexit was the result of widespread concern over the numbers of people coming to the UK – millions of whom have done so under the EU’s freedom of movement rules in recent years.
The research, collated by the National Centre for Social Research through a survey of nearly 3,000 British people, states suggestions by politicians and others that the Brexit vote represented a lightning rod for a general disenchantment with politics were “widely off the mark”
Nearly three-quarters (73 per cent) of those who are worried about immigration voted Leave, compared with 36 per cent of those who did not identify this as a concern, the research found, showing the discrepancy in views about immigration between Remain and Leave voters.
It also reveals that the longer any given voter felt EU migrants should have lived in the UK before qualifying for welfare benefits, the more likely they were to vote to leave the EU.
Imm not posting the link as i got a forum ban last time...this information is out there and very easily found
But that doesn't tie up with the words "majority" and "banner"?"Well if you believe 52% is a majority then 73% must be lol...daft comment lol | |||
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"See spouting crap again how the hell would you know this ? Polls where done...its easy to find out on the demographics
Link please?
Brexit: People voted to leave EU because they feared immigration, major survey finds
Claims Leave vote was a result of general disenchantment with politics were 'widely off the mark', according to report
Britain’s vote to leave the EU was the result of widespread anti-immigration sentiment, rather than a wider dissatisfaction with politics, according to a major survey of social attitudes in the UK.
Findings from the British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey published on Wednesday show Brexit was the result of widespread concern over the numbers of people coming to the UK – millions of whom have done so under the EU’s freedom of movement rules in recent years.
The research, collated by the National Centre for Social Research through a survey of nearly 3,000 British people, states suggestions by politicians and others that the Brexit vote represented a lightning rod for a general disenchantment with politics were “widely off the mark”
Nearly three-quarters (73 per cent) of those who are worried about immigration voted Leave, compared with 36 per cent of those who did not identify this as a concern, the research found, showing the discrepancy in views about immigration between Remain and Leave voters.
It also reveals that the longer any given voter felt EU migrants should have lived in the UK before qualifying for welfare benefits, the more likely they were to vote to leave the EU.
Imm not posting the link as i got a forum ban last time...this information is out there and very easily found
But that doesn't tie up with the words "majority" and "banner"?
Well if you believe 52% is a majority then 73% must be lol...daft comment lol " | |||
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"See spouting crap again how the hell would you know this ? Polls where done...its easy to find out on the demographics
Link please?
Brexit: People voted to leave EU because they feared immigration, major survey finds
Claims Leave vote was a result of general disenchantment with politics were 'widely off the mark', according to report
Britain’s vote to leave the EU was the result of widespread anti-immigration sentiment, rather than a wider dissatisfaction with politics, according to a major survey of social attitudes in the UK.
Findings from the British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey published on Wednesday show Brexit was the result of widespread concern over the numbers of people coming to the UK – millions of whom have done so under the EU’s freedom of movement rules in recent years.
The research, collated by the National Centre for Social Research through a survey of nearly 3,000 British people, states suggestions by politicians and others that the Brexit vote represented a lightning rod for a general disenchantment with politics were “widely off the mark”
Nearly three-quarters (73 per cent) of those who are worried about immigration voted Leave, compared with 36 per cent of those who did not identify this as a concern, the research found, showing the discrepancy in views about immigration between Remain and Leave voters.
It also reveals that the longer any given voter felt EU migrants should have lived in the UK before qualifying for welfare benefits, the more likely they were to vote to leave the EU.
Imm not posting the link as i got a forum ban last time...this information is out there and very easily found
But that doesn't tie up with the words "majority" and "banner"?
Well if you believe 52% is a majority then 73% must be lol...daft comment lol "So two posters on here have stated that the majority of the 17 million people that voted leave did so on the basis of a banner. ? Yet you have no concrete facts that this was actually the case? | |||
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"See spouting crap again how the hell would you know this ? Polls where done...its easy to find out on the demographics
Link please?
Brexit: People voted to leave EU because they feared immigration, major survey finds
Claims Leave vote was a result of general disenchantment with politics were 'widely off the mark', according to report
Britain’s vote to leave the EU was the result of widespread anti-immigration sentiment, rather than a wider dissatisfaction with politics, according to a major survey of social attitudes in the UK.
Findings from the British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey published on Wednesday show Brexit was the result of widespread concern over the numbers of people coming to the UK – millions of whom have done so under the EU’s freedom of movement rules in recent years.
The research, collated by the National Centre for Social Research through a survey of nearly 3,000 British people, states suggestions by politicians and others that the Brexit vote represented a lightning rod for a general disenchantment with politics were “widely off the mark”
Nearly three-quarters (73 per cent) of those who are worried about immigration voted Leave, compared with 36 per cent of those who did not identify this as a concern, the research found, showing the discrepancy in views about immigration between Remain and Leave voters.
It also reveals that the longer any given voter felt EU migrants should have lived in the UK before qualifying for welfare benefits, the more likely they were to vote to leave the EU.
Imm not posting the link as i got a forum ban last time...this information is out there and very easily found
But that doesn't tie up with the words "majority" and "banner"?
Well if you believe 52% is a majority then 73% must be lol...daft comment lol
So two posters on here have stated that the majority of the 17 million people that voted leave did so on the basis of a banner.
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Yet you have no concrete facts that this was actually the case? "I just posted them lol...it was from a poll have a look i didnt make it up unlike some...yours was a silly comment | |||
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"See spouting crap again how the hell would you know this ? Polls where done...its easy to find out on the demographics
Link please?
Brexit: People voted to leave EU because they feared immigration, major survey finds
Claims Leave vote was a result of general disenchantment with politics were 'widely off the mark', according to report
Britain’s vote to leave the EU was the result of widespread anti-immigration sentiment, rather than a wider dissatisfaction with politics, according to a major survey of social attitudes in the UK.
Findings from the British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey published on Wednesday show Brexit was the result of widespread concern over the numbers of people coming to the UK – millions of whom have done so under the EU’s freedom of movement rules in recent years.
The research, collated by the National Centre for Social Research through a survey of nearly 3,000 British people, states suggestions by politicians and others that the Brexit vote represented a lightning rod for a general disenchantment with politics were “widely off the mark”
Nearly three-quarters (73 per cent) of those who are worried about immigration voted Leave, compared with 36 per cent of those who did not identify this as a concern, the research found, showing the discrepancy in views about immigration between Remain and Leave voters.
It also reveals that the longer any given voter felt EU migrants should have lived in the UK before qualifying for welfare benefits, the more likely they were to vote to leave the EU.
Imm not posting the link as i got a forum ban last time...this information is out there and very easily found
But that doesn't tie up with the words "majority" and "banner"?
Well if you believe 52% is a majority then 73% must be lol...daft comment lol
So two posters on here have stated that the majority of the 17 million people that voted leave did so on the basis of a banner.
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Yet you have no concrete facts that this was actually the case?
I just posted them lol...it was from a poll have a look i didnt make it up unlike some...yours was a silly comment "You can deflect all you like. Passing opinion off as fact....well, that's just downright silly! | |||
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"You actually wrote the banner post tho and also stated racists voted leave because of colour it was me that pointed out most the eu imagrants were white lol" It say says immigration....personal id say if you vote on a persons colour or country status no matter the colour there raciest...and i said the banner in terms of how people voted and its true as just been proved...a raciest will always try to deflect | |||
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"Yet, a couple of days before the Turkey banner was unveiled, opinion polls were:- 44% Remain 40% Leave 14% Undecided "And your point is ? | |||
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"Glad u feel we all racists....ps if all the remain people want to stay in the eu...choose one of 26 countries and piss off there if it's so great....bye bye xx" Unless my memory fails me I am sure that I recall you - or someone with a very similar username and also from Kent said in the run up to the referendum... "I am voting OUT on immigration alone" | |||
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"Yet, a couple of days before the Turkey banner was unveiled, opinion polls were:- 44% Remain 40% Leave 14% Undecided
And your point is ?
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"You actually wrote the banner post tho and also stated racists voted leave because of colour it was me that pointed out most the eu imagrants were white lol" Given that race is a social construct, this isn't the resounding defense you think it is. After all, you only have to go back a bit and the Irish weren't considered to be 'white'. | |||
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"You actually wrote the banner post tho and also stated racists voted leave because of colour it was me that pointed out most the eu imagrants were white lol Given that race is a social construct, this isn't the resounding defense you think it is. After all, you only have to go back a bit and the Irish weren't considered to be 'white'. " Too many confuse "racism" and "xenophobia" | |||
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"Well in that case perhaps he should ask his people ....yes no in out all the same ....check the times for his answer .. I have checked it....perhaps you should actually read what he said....i also listened to the interview" Andrew Marr to Macron... "Would the French have voted to leave the EU in a referendum?" Macron to Marr... "Yes, probably" | |||
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" The thing THAT will make this country great again is inclusion....all i hear is leavers saying about how good this country was before the EU...well let me say i can never recall it being good UNTIL we joined the EU "Of course you can't, you were only 8 when we joined. | |||
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"You actually wrote the banner post tho and also stated racists voted leave because of colour it was me that pointed out most the eu imagrants were white lol Given that race is a social construct, this isn't the resounding defense you think it is. After all, you only have to go back a bit and the Irish weren't considered to be 'white'. " I'm sure my Irish grandparents were white don't know how anyone would consider most Irish any other colour | |||
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"See spouting crap again how the hell would you know this ? Polls where done...its easy to find out on the demographics
Link please?
Brexit: People voted to leave EU because they feared immigration, major survey finds
Claims Leave vote was a result of general disenchantment with politics were 'widely off the mark', according to report
Britain’s vote to leave the EU was the result of widespread anti-immigration sentiment, rather than a wider dissatisfaction with politics, according to a major survey of social attitudes in the UK.
Findings from the British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey published on Wednesday show Brexit was the result of widespread concern over the numbers of people coming to the UK – millions of whom have done so under the EU’s freedom of movement rules in recent years.
The research, collated by the National Centre for Social Research through a survey of nearly 3,000 British people, states suggestions by politicians and others that the Brexit vote represented a lightning rod for a general disenchantment with politics were “widely off the mark”
Nearly three-quarters (73 per cent) of those who are worried about immigration voted Leave, compared with 36 per cent of those who did not identify this as a concern, the research found, showing the discrepancy in views about immigration between Remain and Leave voters.
It also reveals that the longer any given voter felt EU migrants should have lived in the UK before qualifying for welfare benefits, the more likely they were to vote to leave the EU.
Imm not posting the link as i got a forum ban last time...this information is out there and very easily found
"Wait a minute there! Haven't you said before that people voted to leave as a protest against the political elite in the UK and nothing to do with the EU? | |||
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"You actually wrote the banner post tho and also stated racists voted leave because of colour it was me that pointed out most the eu imagrants were white lol Given that race is a social construct, this isn't the resounding defense you think it is. After all, you only have to go back a bit and the Irish weren't considered to be 'white'. I'm sure my Irish grandparents were white don't know how anyone would consider most Irish any other colour " And yet, they did! Isn't race a funny thing... | |||
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"JLR have stated that they are cutting production due to Brexit. How many Brexiters want to tell us that JLR are lying and it has nothing to do with Brexit? It has been reported that the economy will do much better than expected this year.Once again your very selective in what you say.
Vauxalls near me is hoping for an upturn in production this year.
If you want to quote the economy quote both sides or why bother
There doing that well..that car company near you there making a further 250 people redundant on top of those already announced....and have stated that there future is not guaranteed "You are wrong,the future of the plant has been guaranteed FACT | |||
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" There was a time and place for that...and the lets make our country great again....Thatcher made sure in the 80s that this country will NEVER be great again by her actions. The thing THAT will make this country great again is inclusion....all i hear is leavers saying about how good this country was before the EU...well let me say i can never recall it being good UNTIL we joined the EU "You've just contradicted yourself there. In the first paragraph you said Thatcher ruined the UK in the 80's and it could never be good again because of her actions, then in the 2nd paragraph you said the UK only became good when we joined the EU. Which is it then because it clearly can't be both can it.  | |||
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"So some jerk made a banner and now you think 17 million ppl voted because of that and were lied to but couldn't make there own minds up be up because they were to stupid you talk asif you don't think there was lies on both sides mate i mean it's not like politians would tell lies The majority of them did yes Farage and his cronies were to blame People who are raciest need to be put up against the wall and pull the trigger " ...Stupid boy. | |||
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"Because you want a control on immigration. Does not make a person racist....xx" But many racists want to control immigration | |||
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"Because you want a control on immigration. Does not make a person racist....xx" Why did we let 180,000 from the rest of the world - we had control over them? | |||
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"Yet, a couple of days before the Turkey banner was unveiled, opinion polls were:- 44% Remain 40% Leave 14% Undecided
And your point is ?
My facts don't back up your claims!"My facts were taken after the referendum ... not before...in FACT there not my facts there taken from a poll conducted as to why people voted the way the did....read the BIT were it says after | |||
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"Well in that case perhaps he should ask his people ....yes no in out all the same ....check the times for his answer .. I have checked it....perhaps you should actually read what he said....i also listened to the interview Andrew Marr to Macron... "Would the French have voted to leave the EU in a referendum?" Macron to Marr... "Yes, probably"" I agree but he also went on to say....we wouldnt be so stupid enough to ask a simple yes/no question....and he thought basically it was idiotic | |||
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"See spouting crap again how the hell would you know this ? Polls where done...its easy to find out on the demographics
Link please?
Brexit: People voted to leave EU because they feared immigration, major survey finds
Claims Leave vote was a result of general disenchantment with politics were 'widely off the mark', according to report
Britain’s vote to leave the EU was the result of widespread anti-immigration sentiment, rather than a wider dissatisfaction with politics, according to a major survey of social attitudes in the UK.
Findings from the British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey published on Wednesday show Brexit was the result of widespread concern over the numbers of people coming to the UK – millions of whom have done so under the EU’s freedom of movement rules in recent years.
The research, collated by the National Centre for Social Research through a survey of nearly 3,000 British people, states suggestions by politicians and others that the Brexit vote represented a lightning rod for a general disenchantment with politics were “widely off the mark”
Nearly three-quarters (73 per cent) of those who are worried about immigration voted Leave, compared with 36 per cent of those who did not identify this as a concern, the research found, showing the discrepancy in views about immigration between Remain and Leave voters.
It also reveals that the longer any given voter felt EU migrants should have lived in the UK before qualifying for welfare benefits, the more likely they were to vote to leave the EU.
Imm not posting the link as i got a forum ban last time...this information is out there and very easily found
Wait a minute there! Haven't you said before that people voted to leave as a protest against the political elite in the UK and nothing to do with the EU?"Nope not me... | |||
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"Yet, a couple of days before the Turkey banner was unveiled, opinion polls were:- 44% Remain 40% Leave 14% Undecided
And your point is ?
My facts don't back up your claims!
My facts were taken after the referendum ... not before...in FACT there not my facts there taken from a poll conducted as to why people voted the way the did....read the BIT were it says after "So still nothing to back up your claim that the "majority" of Leave voters did so, on the basis of a "banner"? | |||
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" similar maybe, but not the "best" and of no use for my needs where would you put a red stag you have just shot in a land rover??? Really? 80% of all Land Rovers registered in the UK since 1948 and 75% of all Land Rovers built worldwide are still on the road. How does Toyoto compare? Not so well I bet." willwill please don't go there as your statement here makes it obvious you are totally inexperienced in the performance and reliability of 4x4's I am on my 5th Hilux, I replace with new every 3 years, clocking up on average around 70 - 80,000 miles, the Hilux is an amazing off roader and great mileage for a 3 litre. Totally reliable and fantastic inside. Where as many within my shooting syndicates who drive land rovers/ Range Rovers & Discoveries are in constant breakdown or in dispute and wish they had never purchased one. . I think many others on this thread have experienced the same or know of someone who has had the misfortune to purchase your beloved land rover A little bit advice for free, if you are going to purchase a 4x4 give your land rover a wide birth unless you want to spend lots of cash on repairs | |||
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"Yet, a couple of days before the Turkey banner was unveiled, opinion polls were:- 44% Remain 40% Leave 14% Undecided
And your point is ?
My facts don't back up your claims!
My facts were taken after the referendum ... not before...in FACT there not my facts there taken from a poll conducted as to why people voted the way the did....read the BIT were it says after
So still nothing to back up your claim that the "majority" of Leave voters did so, on the basis of a "banner"?"The leave campaign was based on immigration then banner was part of it....735 said immigration was the reason they voted leave...how hard i9s that....and that was AFTER the referendum ...not before...so i'll ask again your point with those figures you posted are? | |||
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"Yet, a couple of days before the Turkey banner was unveiled, opinion polls were:- 44% Remain 40% Leave 14% Undecided
And your point is ?
My facts don't back up your claims!
My facts were taken after the referendum ... not before...in FACT there not my facts there taken from a poll conducted as to why people voted the way the did....read the BIT were it says after
So still nothing to back up your claim that the "majority" of Leave voters did so, on the basis of a "banner"?
The leave campaign was based on immigration then banner was part of it....735 said immigration was the reason they voted leave...how hard i9s that....and that was AFTER the referendum ...not before...so i'll ask again your point with those figures you posted are? "The 73% figure taken from your poll is not in dispute. That figure refers to immigration, not the Turkey banner. You, and another poster, said that the majority of Leave voters did so because of that Turkey banner. But there is no statistical evidence to back that claim.up. indeed, the figures I posted, are from an opinion poll taken a couple of days before the Turkey banner was first shown, and that clearly shows that voter demarcation lines had already been established. | |||
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"Because you want a control on immigration. Does not make a person racist....xx" So they say, but I've yet to hear a reasoning for controls on immigration that don't come down to wanting less of *them* in the country. | |||
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"You, and another poster, said that the majority of Leave voters did so because of that Turkey banner. " I cannot see where anyone said that. I can see where it has been pointed out that that banner and what was written on a bus played a part in convincing some voters to vote leave (and others not to vote at all rather than vote remain). As for statistical proof that will never be available while this issue is still active. Maybe in a 100 or 200 years (if we are still here) then the effectiveness of those 2 tools plus all the other voter manipulation tools designed and supplied by Cambridge Analytica will become public knowledge. However at present that knowledge is all trade secrets, but we do know that its effect must be statistically significant because of the speed of their growth in the political field. | |||
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"See spouting crap again how the hell would you know this ? Polls where done...its easy to find out on the demographics
Link please?
Brexit: People voted to leave EU because they feared immigration, major survey finds
Claims Leave vote was a result of general disenchantment with politics were 'widely off the mark', according to report
Britain’s vote to leave the EU was the result of widespread anti-immigration sentiment, rather than a wider dissatisfaction with politics, according to a major survey of social attitudes in the UK.
Findings from the British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey published on Wednesday show Brexit was the result of widespread concern over the numbers of people coming to the UK – millions of whom have done so under the EU’s freedom of movement rules in recent years.
The research, collated by the National Centre for Social Research through a survey of nearly 3,000 British people, states suggestions by politicians and others that the Brexit vote represented a lightning rod for a general disenchantment with politics were “widely off the mark”
Nearly three-quarters (73 per cent) of those who are worried about immigration voted Leave, compared with 36 per cent of those who did not identify this as a concern, the research found, showing the discrepancy in views about immigration between Remain and Leave voters.
It also reveals that the longer any given voter felt EU migrants should have lived in the UK before qualifying for welfare benefits, the more likely they were to vote to leave the EU.
Imm not posting the link as i got a forum ban last time...this information is out there and very easily found
But that doesn't tie up with the words "majority" and "banner"?
Well if you believe 52% is a majority then 73% must be lol...daft comment lol
So two posters on here have stated that the majority of the 17 million people that voted leave did so on the basis of a banner.
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Yet you have no concrete facts that this was actually the case?
I just posted them lol...it was from a poll have a look i didnt make it up unlike some...yours was a silly comment
You can deflect all you like. Passing opinion off as fact....well, that's just downright silly! "From where I'm standing it looks more like you're doing the deflecting by trying to concentrate the argument on whether the referendum was won by people being swayed by one racist banner rather than the real point, which is whether the referendum was won because of the support of people who are racist for Leave. The reality is is that if only 2% of the vote to leave was a racist or xenophobic vote then that was enough to give leave victory. There is no statistical evidence that all or even most leave voters are racist however there is evidence that most racists did vote leave and I'm pretty sure that that racist vote made up more that 2% of the leave vote. | |||
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"Glad u feel we all racists....ps if all the remain people want to stay in the eu...choose one of 26 countries and piss off there if it's so great....bye bye xx" Because, even if we wanted to, thanks to BREXIT, we won't be aloud to after March next year and it takes quite a long time to arrange and make a move like that. But please tell us all why you haven't pissed of to somewhere else that is British but not currently in the EU. The Isle of Man, Channel Islands, Assertion Island or Falklands, for example, spring to mind. Get this threw your thick skull once and for all. Remainers want to remain, not leave. We want to remain in Britain and we want Britain to remain in the EU. That's what remaining means. The fact that you, as a plastic patriot, have sold your country down the river just so you can stand on tbe White Cliffs, wave a Union Jack and raise a finger to Jonny Foreigner doesn't mean that those of us who are true patriots and want what's best for our country are going to step aside and let people like you turn it into a bankrupt, back alley of a country, which seems to be your intent. We're not going anywhere, we're not leaving and we're definitely not giving our country to the likes of you, so why don't you piss off somewhere else instead. | |||
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"JLR have stated that they are cutting production due to Brexit. How many Brexiters want to tell us that JLR are lying and it has nothing to do with Brexit? "They're cutting production to maintain unit value within the product...the law of supply and demand. Too many unsold vehicles (which are produced daily in large numbers) depress the market and drive down unit prices. Not in JLR's interest. Brexit is a convenient excuse. | |||
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" similar maybe, but not the "best" and of no use for my needs where would you put a red stag you have just shot in a land rover??? Really? 80% of all Land Rovers registered in the UK since 1948 and 75% of all Land Rovers built worldwide are still on the road. How does Toyoto compare? Not so well I bet. willwill please don't go there as your statement here makes it obvious you are totally inexperienced in the performance and reliability of 4x4's I am on my 5th Hilux, I replace with new every 3 years, clocking up on average around 70 - 80,000 miles, the Hilux is an amazing off roader and great mileage for a 3 litre. Totally reliable and fantastic inside. Where as many within my shooting syndicates who drive land rovers/ Range Rovers & Discoveries are in constant breakdown or in dispute and wish they had never purchased one. . I think many others on this thread have experienced the same or know of someone who has had the misfortune to purchase your beloved land rover A little bit advice for free, if you are going to purchase a 4x4 give your land rover a wide birth unless you want to spend lots of cash on repairs "Toyotas 4x4s are good vehicles in general, but Land Rovers are also up there (aside from the Freelander). No need to give Land Rovers a wide berth if you know what you're dealing with. Incidentally, I've had to recover more stuck Toyotas than stuck Land Rovers (and I've run both over the years). And bits fall off them both when offroad. | |||
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" similar maybe, but not the "best" and of no use for my needs where would you put a red stag you have just shot in a land rover??? Really? 80% of all Land Rovers registered in the UK since 1948 and 75% of all Land Rovers built worldwide are still on the road. How does Toyoto compare? Not so well I bet. willwill please don't go there as your statement here makes it obvious you are totally inexperienced in the performance and reliability of 4x4's I am on my 5th Hilux, I replace with new every 3 years, clocking up on average around 70 - 80,000 miles, the Hilux is an amazing off roader and great mileage for a 3 litre. Totally reliable and fantastic inside. Where as many within my shooting syndicates who drive land rovers/ Range Rovers & Discoveries are in constant breakdown or in dispute and wish they had never purchased one. . I think many others on this thread have experienced the same or know of someone who has had the misfortune to purchase your beloved land rover A little bit advice for free, if you are going to purchase a 4x4 give your land rover a wide birth unless you want to spend lots of cash on repairs
Toyotas 4x4s are good vehicles in general, but Land Rovers are also up there (aside from the Freelander). No need to give Land Rovers a wide berth if you know what you're dealing with. Incidentally, I've had to recover more stuck Toyotas than stuck Land Rovers (and I've run both over the years). And bits fall off them both when offroad. "I'm very happy with my 3.0l Jag diesel. Best car I've ever owned or driven. Perfect on the long runs to Spain, Germany, France, Italy and even Malta. 40mpg at 80mph. Bit of a handful in town but I have an Astra (from Ellesmere Port) for that. | |||
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"Glad u feel we all racists....ps if all the remain people want to stay in the eu...choose one of 26 countries and piss off there if it's so great....bye bye xx Because, even if we wanted to, thanks to BREXIT, we won't be aloud to after March next year and it takes quite a long time to arrange and make a move like that. But please tell us all why you haven't pissed of to somewhere else that is British but not currently in the EU. The Isle of Man, Channel Islands, Assertion Island or Falklands, for example, spring to mind. Get this threw your thick skull once and for all. Remainers want to remain, not leave. We want to remain in Britain and we want Britain to remain in the EU. That's what remaining means. The fact that you, as a plastic patriot, have sold your country down the river just so you can stand on tbe White Cliffs, wave a Union Jack and raise a finger to Jonny Foreigner doesn't mean that those of us who are true patriots and want what's best for our country are going to step aside and let people like you turn it into a bankrupt, back alley of a country, which seems to be your intent. We're not going anywhere, we're not leaving and we're definitely not giving our country to the likes of you, so why don't you piss off somewhere else instead." seems someone has their panties in a twist here and spitting dummy out, so much for going with the majority vote. and why does leaving the EU stop anyone from traveling there or working there?? hasn't stopped me in the past traveling too, or working in USA, all you need is a visa and work permit and I am sure we will have a visa waiver system for EU | |||
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"And we are back to the usual pro and anti brexit memes while the fact remains that Vauxhall Ellesmere Port have announced it is making over a third of it's workforce redundant in the last 3 months saying that the decision was partially driven by brexit and the brexiteers here claim that to be a lie. Just as every time employers and investors announce that they are relocating or partially relocating because of brexit uncertainties they too are lying. Some are lying, I do not think it is those that are voting with their feet and moving out of the UK, however I am still to decide if those lying are doing so to convince those who are pointing out the harm brexit is doing or themselves that everything is OK. The one thing I do know for sure is that the vast majority of the country are getting poorer by the day and over half the politically active population of the country are cheering this on and demanding even more. What sort of sane person gets would rather do themselves harm than abandon an idea they have attached themselves to? Is there anything that will get the brexit camp to admit they may have made a mistake? Or are we now in the grip of the same sort of madness that forced Germany under the Nazis to continue fighting right up to the point their whole country was destroyed? I think I hear the same ideological fervour and even rhetoric from the leaders of brexit and their supporters as I hear when I watch 30's and WW2 German newsreels. " You can give the project Fear bollocks a rest now, Project Fear is dead. The recession the remain scaremongers predicted never materialised and is no where in sight. The UK economy grew by more than what the IMF and the World Bank forecast it would last year. Nick Clegg said 4 million jobs would be lost but instead employment is high and unemployment is at historic lows. We were warned that hundreds of thousands of jobs would move to the EU but instead only a small trickle of jobs have gone. Financial experts say that London will remain as THE major financial capital of Europe after Brexit. We were warned that direct foreign investment would dry up here but instead it has remained constant and London was the leading tech investment capital of Europe in 2017. Productivity just hit a 6 year high in the UK. Face it The Remain campaign Project Fear is well and truly dead. As for sticking to political ideologies that would damage the country it really is rich coming from a Corbyn Labour supporter like you. Big business and banks have warned of the damage a Corbyn Labour government would do to the country yet still you cheer it on. Even figures within the Labour party itself have warned that Corbyn's policies would bankrupt the country yet still you cheer it on. You seem like the type of person who would rather do yourself harm than abandon an idea you have attached yourself too. Is there anything that will make Corbyn supporters admit they have made a mistake giving him their support? | |||
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"JLR have stated that they are cutting production due to Brexit. How many Brexiters want to tell us that JLR are lying and it has nothing to do with Brexit?
They're cutting production to maintain unit value within the product...the law of supply and demand. Too many unsold vehicles (which are produced daily in large numbers) depress the market and drive down unit prices. Not in JLR's interest. Brexit is a convenient excuse.
" Diesel cars are just not selling and this has nothing to do with Brexit. As environment secretary Michael Gove announced last year that Diesel cars would be phased out of the UK in the coming years people just don't want to buy them anymore. People are also wanting to be more Green and environmentally friendly and as Diesel is environmentally damaging to air quality people are increasingly rejecting Diesel vehicles on those grounds too. Electric cars is the future and car manufacturers will have to adjust to the change in the market. This is what this is really about and has nothing to do with Brexit. | |||
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"Kippers don't give a toss about the environment.They believe climate change is a hoax. Just because they don't understand the science doesn't mean its fake.To be fair joining UKIP is like the reverse of Mensa.Your IQ has to be somewhere between house plant and amoeba. "That's a little harsh... on amoebas, don't you think? | |||
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"Glad u feel we all racists....ps if all the remain people want to stay in the eu...choose one of 26 countries and piss off there if it's so great....bye bye xx Because, even if we wanted to, thanks to BREXIT, we won't be aloud to after March next year and it takes quite a long time to arrange and make a move like that. But please tell us all why you haven't pissed of to somewhere else that is British but not currently in the EU. The Isle of Man, Channel Islands, Assertion Island or Falklands, for example, spring to mind. Get this threw your thick skull once and for all. Remainers want to remain, not leave. We want to remain in Britain and we want Britain to remain in the EU. That's what remaining means. The fact that you, as a plastic patriot, have sold your country down the river just so you can stand on tbe White Cliffs, wave a Union Jack and raise a finger to Jonny Foreigner doesn't mean that those of us who are true patriots and want what's best for our country are going to step aside and let people like you turn it into a bankrupt, back alley of a country, which seems to be your intent. We're not going anywhere, we're not leaving and we're definitely not giving our country to the likes of you, so why don't you piss off somewhere else instead. seems someone has their panties in a twist here and spitting dummy out, so much for going with the majority vote. and why does leaving the EU stop anyone from traveling there or working there?? hasn't stopped me in the past traveling too, or working in USA, all you need is a visa and work permit and I am sure we will have a visa waiver system for EU" Typical BREXITer approach. "I'll be able to get a job easily in the EU if I want so fuck everyone else. I'm alright Jack, pull away the ladder". And the only spitting going on is the spitting on people like you who are happy to sell your country, your nation and your people down the river for a load of jingoistic bullshit and then have the nerve to pretend you're patriots. | |||
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"Glad u feel we all racists....ps if all the remain people want to stay in the eu...choose one of 26 countries and piss off there if it's so great....bye bye xx Because, even if we wanted to, thanks to BREXIT, we won't be aloud to after March next year and it takes quite a long time to arrange and make a move like that. But please tell us all why you haven't pissed of to somewhere else that is British but not currently in the EU. The Isle of Man, Channel Islands, Assertion Island or Falklands, for example, spring to mind. Get this threw your thick skull once and for all. Remainers want to remain, not leave. We want to remain in Britain and we want Britain to remain in the EU. That's what remaining means. The fact that you, as a plastic patriot, have sold your country down the river just so you can stand on tbe White Cliffs, wave a Union Jack and raise a finger to Jonny Foreigner doesn't mean that those of us who are true patriots and want what's best for our country are going to step aside and let people like you turn it into a bankrupt, back alley of a country, which seems to be your intent. We're not going anywhere, we're not leaving and we're definitely not giving our country to the likes of you, so why don't you piss off somewhere else instead. seems someone has their panties in a twist here and spitting dummy out, so much for going with the majority vote. and why does leaving the EU stop anyone from traveling there or working there?? hasn't stopped me in the past traveling too, or working in USA, all you need is a visa and work permit and I am sure we will have a visa waiver system for EU Typical BREXITer approach. "I'll be able to get a job easily in the EU if I want so fuck everyone else. I'm alright Jack, pull away the ladder". And the only spitting going on is the spitting on people like you who are happy to sell your country, your nation and your people down the river for a load of jingoistic bullshit and then have the nerve to pretend you're patriots." You are aware we are doing this for the better To ensure the UK thrives, including yourself, if you do indeed have the faith and spirit to live on after brexit or will you crumble, why do you cry so much about it, accept and work with it, accept it, don't go on whinging like a spoiled kid Brexit is happening | |||
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"Glad u feel we all racists....ps if all the remain people want to stay in the eu...choose one of 26 countries and piss off there if it's so great....bye bye xx Because, even if we wanted to, thanks to BREXIT, we won't be aloud to after March next year and it takes quite a long time to arrange and make a move like that. But please tell us all why you haven't pissed of to somewhere else that is British but not currently in the EU. The Isle of Man, Channel Islands, Assertion Island or Falklands, for example, spring to mind. Get this threw your thick skull once and for all. Remainers want to remain, not leave. We want to remain in Britain and we want Britain to remain in the EU. That's what remaining means. The fact that you, as a plastic patriot, have sold your country down the river just so you can stand on tbe White Cliffs, wave a Union Jack and raise a finger to Jonny Foreigner doesn't mean that those of us who are true patriots and want what's best for our country are going to step aside and let people like you turn it into a bankrupt, back alley of a country, which seems to be your intent. We're not going anywhere, we're not leaving and we're definitely not giving our country to the likes of you, so why don't you piss off somewhere else instead. seems someone has their panties in a twist here and spitting dummy out, so much for going with the majority vote. and why does leaving the EU stop anyone from traveling there or working there?? hasn't stopped me in the past traveling too, or working in USA, all you need is a visa and work permit and I am sure we will have a visa waiver system for EU Typical BREXITer approach. "I'll be able to get a job easily in the EU if I want so fuck everyone else. I'm alright Jack, pull away the ladder". And the only spitting going on is the spitting on people like you who are happy to sell your country, your nation and your people down the river for a load of jingoistic bullshit and then have the nerve to pretend you're patriots." The plastic patriots are happy shit on the younger generation from a great height. | |||
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"why are Brexiter's shitting on the younger population, perhaps they are doing them a favour, and remember we all had a vote you need to focus round brexit, except it and work with it for the better of the country" Unfortunately I'd rather have my eye balls scooped out with rusty spoons and my sockets filled with salt,than get behind extremists and their 1950s utopian vision.Sorry I won't be complicit in your xenophobic experiment. | |||
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"why are Brexiter's shitting on the younger population, perhaps they are doing them a favour, and remember we all had a vote you need to focus round brexit, except it and work with it for the better of the country Unfortunately I'd rather have my eye balls scooped out with rusty spoons and my sockets filled with salt,than get behind extremists and their 1950s utopian vision.Sorry I won't be complicit in your xenophobic experiment." Me neither | |||
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"Bob even you are at it now plastic patriots it was a yes / no vote sum chose yes sum chose no it doesn't have to be one side is better than the other that's just kids stuff it's the remainers on here that are spewing out the hate at the moment it's a fucking joke " Your so far from the truth it’s all lies and points scoring To be honest with you this what’s its going to be like for the considerable future now half the country moaning with the other half and vice a versa the brexiteers thing the remainers are wrong and agsin visa versa So who’s wrong | |||
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"We are all in it together, We need to team up and focus on leaving the EU, all work together for the good of the nation what ever happened to the land of hope and glory " True we are all in the shit together... | |||
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"We are all in it together, We need to team up and focus on leaving the EU, all work together for the good of the nation what ever happened to the land of hope and glory True we are all in the shit together...
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"Bob even you are at it now plastic patriots it was a yes / no vote sum chose yes sum chose no it doesn't have to be one side is better than the other that's just kids stuff it's the remainers on here that are spewing out the hate at the moment it's a fucking joke " Unfortunately I can't be part of something I feel is driven by hatred of others.Its a personal decision. | |||
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indeed, some in deeper shit than others, lol"Oh yes keep shitting on those kids if it makes you feel richer .. | |||
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"Bob even you are at it now plastic patriots it was a yes / no vote sum chose yes sum chose no it doesn't have to be one side is better than the other that's just kids stuff it's the remainers on here that are spewing out the hate at the moment it's a fucking joke Unfortunately I can't be part of something I feel is driven by hatred of others.Its a personal decision. "so bob do u realy think 17 million of yr country men and women are all driven by hate ? | |||
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"Bob even you are at it now plastic patriots it was a yes / no vote sum chose yes sum chose no it doesn't have to be one side is better than the other that's just kids stuff it's the remainers on here that are spewing out the hate at the moment it's a fucking joke Unfortunately I can't be part of something I feel is driven by hatred of others.Its a personal decision. so bob do u realy think 17 million of yr country men and women are all driven by hate ? "I think they turn a blind eye to it and therefore are complicit.You know foxy if I'm down the boozer and someone is mouthing off about the blacks and the pakis this n that. I step in.I can't walk away.I don't give a fuck how big you are. Most walk away as its nothing to do with them.Not me. | |||
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"Bob even you are at it now plastic patriots it was a yes / no vote sum chose yes sum chose no it doesn't have to be one side is better than the other that's just kids stuff it's the remainers on here that are spewing out the hate at the moment it's a fucking joke Unfortunately I can't be part of something I feel is driven by hatred of others.Its a personal decision. so bob do u realy think 17 million of yr country men and women are all driven by hate ? I think they turn a blind eye to it and therefore are complicit.You know foxy if I'm down the boozer and someone is mouthing off about the blacks and the pakis this n that.
I step in.I can't walk away.I don't give a fuck how big you are.
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always time to venture down to the local for fine drink or two with the locals too
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always time to venture down to the local for fine drink or two with the locals too
life is good, and richness is the land you walk on If it's not about money why post about buying gold.For you guys it's all about money.And dont give me that shit about walking the earth.Your an oil man.You poison the earth. "Running off to play at being a country squire has a long tradition of being the pass time of people who manage to scrounge up a meagre amount of money and fancy themselves as being well off. | |||
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"Bob I know u wud by reading yr posts for a long time and hard of to ya like u say to many turn s blind eye but iv never been in my local or any pubs and heard racist shit in a pub it's maybe we're we live I duno but most of the hate I read on here is about the traitors the racists who voted leave it's so fucking childish now and very old news they are mainly all hardworking decent family ppl who just voted different to you bob corse they will be the odd loonie " Of course they are hard working.Weve all picked a side.You won i lost.Does it mean i have to get behind something I don't believe in.?.You couldn't make me support liverpool.You can't make me support Brexit. I'm sure we've all had different experiences of brexit.My kids have experienced negativity.As you say .It boils my piss..So that's where I am at now.Pissing ?? | |||
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"Get what yr saying bob but there isn't any sides now it's just leave it's the remainers who say it's a side not the leavers and and the leavers who get most of the name calling and shit like you said you lost no need to run of with yr ball we all need to just be adults and get in with living life side by side it was just a vote after all " I wish it was as simple as that.You dont boil my piss.Those who do unfortunately haven't gone. I'll stop when they stop. | |||
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"Get what yr saying bob but there isn't any sides now it's just leave it's the remainers who say it's a side not the leavers and and the leavers who get most of the name calling and shit like you said you lost no need to run of with yr ball we all need to just be adults and get in with living life side by side it was just a vote after all " well said, we all need to work together I was a "Yes" voter in Scotland referendum, I lost, such is life it isn't the end of the world, you just get on with things, enjoy what you have, enjoy life, be happy being bitter gets you no where bob, come on, fly that green peace flag and be happy | |||
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"Get what yr saying bob but there isn't any sides now it's just leave it's the remainers who say it's a side not the leavers and and the leavers who get most of the name calling and shit like you said you lost no need to run of with yr ball we all need to just be adults and get in with living life side by side it was just a vote after all well said, we all need to work together I was a "Yes" voter in Scotland referendum, I lost, such is life it isn't the end of the world, you just get on with things, enjoy what you have, enjoy life, be happy being bitter gets you no where bob, come on, fly that green peace flag and be happy "I'm happy.You are right bitterness eats you like cancer.However anger burns like fire and is useful.Sorry guys the moment they fucked with my children the red mist came down. | |||
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"The number of Scottish businesses failures has fallen to an eight-year low, according to new figures. Professional services firm KPMG found there were 832 corporate insolvencies in 2017 - a 15% drop on the previous year and the lowest since 2008 " As there are less and less businesses..then obviously fewer of the remaining ones will fail. | |||
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"the numbers tell us we are out so lets get on with it ....remainers keep on moaning .....moan moan moan .....tough poo xx" There’s plenty of brexit idiots on here that moan all day long it will never end get used to it | |||
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"Get what yr saying bob but there isn't any sides now it's just leave it's the remainers who say it's a side not the leavers and and the leavers who get most of the name calling and shit like you said you lost no need to run of with yr ball we all need to just be adults and get in with living life side by side it was just a vote after all Get a life you talk bullshit " sez the man who thinks trump is the most vile man that's ever roamed the planet and wants racist lined up against a wall and shot Over the top as us always bless ya | |||
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"Get what yr saying bob but there isn't any sides now it's just leave it's the remainers who say it's a side not the leavers and and the leavers who get most of the name calling and shit like you said you lost no need to run of with yr ball we all need to just be adults and get in with living life side by side it was just a vote after all Get a life you talk bullshit sez the man who thinks trump is the most vile man that's ever roamed the planet and wants racist lined up against a wall and shot Over the top as us always bless ya " Yep that’s me get a life | |||
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"ive got used to it because we leaving....just want it to happen and stop the crap flying about...x" Wish your right but I’m afrsid the country’s fucked Will never happen due to all the lies pre referendum Sorry to dissspoint your evening | |||
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"Ppl will put it aside when it's all over but don't forget there was lies both sides tho but what did we expect from Politians " Will they though I think you could be wrong there The divide is ferocious Brexiteers think there right And remainer s think there right it’s 50 50 I hate to say it but views are so strong in both sides it will never finish You think your doing the right thing voting leave And I think I’m doing the right thing voting remain It’s all about views Tell me how do you make it do everyone excepts the result The answer is you can’t so it’s s stalemate | |||
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"Exactly you said it you think one way I think the other similar to tories labour it's nothing new it happens every 5 yrs the name calling is just a bit silly now it's embarrassing " We don't vote in our out the EU every 5 years. | |||
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"No we don't just which lying twats are guna run our country for 5 yrs just as important tho " Do you no what I thought you were ok but if I’m honest you dodge the questions so fuck you ile fight you all the way | |||
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"Ppl will put it aside when it's all over but don't forget there was lies both sides tho but what did we expect from Politians Will they though I think you could be wrong there The divide is ferocious Brexiteers think there right And remainer s think there right it’s 50 50 I hate to say it but views are so strong in both sides it will never finish You think your doing the right thing voting leave And I think I’m doing the right thing voting remain It’s all about views Tell me how do you make it do everyone excepts the result The answer is you can’t so it’s s stalemate " it's all about views u say I agree then u go and insult me u need to act yr age mate all u do is call ppl names yr 59 not 9 stop getting yr little white knickers in a twist | |||
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"No we don't just which lying twats are guna run our country for 5 yrs just as important tho The difference being you can change who's in power every 5 years.We will leave the EU for for good or at least a generation." until another government comes in and offers another vote then u mite get what u want bob but I think u are right will probably be a genaratiion but who knows what the eu or the uk will look like then know one knows the future despite all the mystic megs on here | |||
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"To a certain extent the motor industry in the UK is a victim of its own success. With the availability of super cheap leasing deals the market is now flooded . Short term cut backs should not come as any surprise. Ultimately what matters is the company profitability, not the number employed . " I guess that depends if you are a shareholder or an employee doesn't it? | |||
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"We will leave the EU for for good or at least a generation. Hallelujah and Amen to that. "Or 5 to 10 years according to the cabinet Secretary | |||
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"Bob even you are at it now plastic patriots it was a yes / no vote sum chose yes sum chose no it doesn't have to be one side is better than the other that's just kids stuff it's the remainers on here that are spewing out the hate at the moment it's a fucking joke " Only in reply to _anejohnkent6263 stupid statement "...if all the remain people want to stay in the eu...choose one of 26 countries and piss off there if it's so great....bye bye xx" Like somehow all those that voted BREXIT have more right to live here than those of us who put the wealth and well being of our country a little higher than the dubious pleasure of sticking a finger up to Jonny Foreigner. Seems like it's nor just EU citizens that BREXITers want to kick out but even English, Welsh and Scottish people who don't share their BREXIT vision too. | |||
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Or 5 to 10 years according to the cabinet Secretary ".....The cabinet secretary who got slapped down by the Prime minister. | |||
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"We will leave the EU for for good or at least a generation. Hallelujah and Amen to that.
Or 5 to 10 years according to the cabinet Secretary "Or, far more likely with regularity alignment, no real BREXIT at all, just a complete loss of control over all the regulations we'll still be aligned with. BREXITers never saw this coming and still can't see it's happened even though it's already been agreed. | |||
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Or 5 to 10 years according to the cabinet Secretary
.....The cabinet secretary who got slapped down by the Prime minister. "Like Boris who got slapped down about the £350m a week lie? Like Priti Patel who got sacked for lying? Like Damien Green who got sacked for lying? Like the families minister who got slapped down for going to a men only event? May is having to slap down quite a few of her ministers isn't she? Not great at picking cabinet members is she? | |||
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"We will leave the EU for for good or at least a generation. Hallelujah and Amen to that.
Or 5 to 10 years according to the cabinet Secretary
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Like Boris who got slapped down about the £350m a week lie?
Like Priti Patel who got sacked for lying?
Like Damien Green who got sacked for lying?
Like the families minister who got slapped down for going to a men only event?
May is having to slap down quite a few of her ministers isn't she? Not great at picking cabinet members is she? "I'd say about as good as Corbyn is at picking a shadow cabinet. | |||
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"We will leave the EU for for good or at least a generation. Hallelujah and Amen to that.
Or 5 to 10 years according to the cabinet Secretary
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Like Boris who got slapped down about the £350m a week lie?
Like Priti Patel who got sacked for lying?
Like Damien Green who got sacked for lying?
Like the families minister who got slapped down for going to a men only event?
May is having to slap down quite a few of her ministers isn't she? Not great at picking cabinet members is she?
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"We will leave the EU for for good or at least a generation. Hallelujah and Amen to that.
Or 5 to 10 years according to the cabinet Secretary
.....The cabinet secretary who got slapped down by the Prime minister.
Like Boris who got slapped down about the £350m a week lie?
Like Priti Patel who got sacked for lying?
Like Damien Green who got sacked for lying?
Like the families minister who got slapped down for going to a men only event?
May is having to slap down quite a few of her ministers isn't she? Not great at picking cabinet members is she?
I'd say about as good as Corbyn is at picking a shadow cabinet.
That's hardly a stunning endorsement of the government, is it?"Well CLCC gave just 4 examples of dissent amongst the Tory ranks. On the other hand if you look at Corbyn's leadership of the Labour party it's far, far worse. Just look at the Labour voting record on the EU Withdrawal bill last week, Corbyn ordered a 3 line whip on the Labour party to abstain from voting on the EU Withdrawal bill and 58 of his MP's rebelled against him and defied him. I'd say that dissent amongst his Labour ranks is far worse than anything the Tories are experiencing. | |||
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"We will leave the EU for for good or at least a generation. Hallelujah and Amen to that.
Or 5 to 10 years according to the cabinet Secretary
.....The cabinet secretary who got slapped down by the Prime minister.
Like Boris who got slapped down about the £350m a week lie?
Like Priti Patel who got sacked for lying?
Like Damien Green who got sacked for lying?
Like the families minister who got slapped down for going to a men only event?
May is having to slap down quite a few of her ministers isn't she? Not great at picking cabinet members is she?
I'd say about as good as Corbyn is at picking a shadow cabinet.
That's hardly a stunning endorsement of the government, is it?
Well CLCC gave just 4 examples of dissent amongst the Tory ranks. On the other hand if you look at Corbyn's leadership of the Labour party it's far, far worse. Just look at the Labour voting record on the EU Withdrawal bill last week, Corbyn ordered a 3 line whip on the Labour party to abstain from voting on the EU Withdrawal bill and 58 of his MP's rebelled against him and defied him. I'd say that dissent amongst his Labour ranks is far worse than anything the Tories are experiencing. "Wow, that point just went right over your head, didn't it? | |||
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"We will leave the EU for for good or at least a generation. Hallelujah and Amen to that.
Or 5 to 10 years according to the cabinet Secretary
.....The cabinet secretary who got slapped down by the Prime minister.
Like Boris who got slapped down about the £350m a week lie?
Like Priti Patel who got sacked for lying?
Like Damien Green who got sacked for lying?
Like the families minister who got slapped down for going to a men only event?
May is having to slap down quite a few of her ministers isn't she? Not great at picking cabinet members is she?
I'd say about as good as Corbyn is at picking a shadow cabinet.
That's hardly a stunning endorsement of the government, is it?
Well CLCC gave just 4 examples of dissent amongst the Tory ranks. On the other hand if you look at Corbyn's leadership of the Labour party it's far, far worse. Just look at the Labour voting record on the EU Withdrawal bill last week, Corbyn ordered a 3 line whip on the Labour party to abstain from voting on the EU Withdrawal bill and 58 of his MP's rebelled against him and defied him. I'd say that dissent amongst his Labour ranks is far worse than anything the Tories are experiencing. "Well I'm not going to disagree with you on that but what I really don't see is how does that make any difference to the fact that the government is totally divided, leaderless and in a disorganised mess. I mean it's either good or bad news if the official opposition is a disorganised mess, depending on your political point of view, but if the government is a disorganised mess that's a worry whatever your political point of view. | |||
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"We will leave the EU for for good or at least a generation. Hallelujah and Amen to that.
Or 5 to 10 years according to the cabinet Secretary
.....The cabinet secretary who got slapped down by the Prime minister.
Like Boris who got slapped down about the £350m a week lie?
Like Priti Patel who got sacked for lying?
Like Damien Green who got sacked for lying?
Like the families minister who got slapped down for going to a men only event?
May is having to slap down quite a few of her ministers isn't she? Not great at picking cabinet members is she?
I'd say about as good as Corbyn is at picking a shadow cabinet.
That's hardly a stunning endorsement of the government, is it?
Well CLCC gave just 4 examples of dissent amongst the Tory ranks. On the other hand if you look at Corbyn's leadership of the Labour party it's far, far worse. Just look at the Labour voting record on the EU Withdrawal bill last week, Corbyn ordered a 3 line whip on the Labour party to abstain from voting on the EU Withdrawal bill and 58 of his MP's rebelled against him and defied him. I'd say that dissent amongst his Labour ranks is far worse than anything the Tories are experiencing.
Well I'm not going to disagree with you on that but what I really don't see is how does that make any difference to the fact that the government is totally divided, leaderless and in a disorganised mess. I mean it's either good or bad news if the official opposition is a disorganised mess, depending on your political point of view, but if the government is a disorganised mess that's a worry whatever your political point of view.". Well there's a perfectly good reason for Tory disharmony!. One half of the Tories don't really want brexit and the half don't want brexit but can't face like looking like cunts to the electorate....I mean apart from Davis nobody on the cabinet is actually a brexiter, your bound to have disorganisation, it wouldn't be any different under labour, the only party that's completely against democracy is the liberal "democrats" and they wouldn't be disorganised at all because they 100% all hate brexit | |||
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"We will leave the EU for for good or at least a generation. Hallelujah and Amen to that.
Or 5 to 10 years according to the cabinet Secretary
.....The cabinet secretary who got slapped down by the Prime minister.
Like Boris who got slapped down about the £350m a week lie?
Like Priti Patel who got sacked for lying?
Like Damien Green who got sacked for lying?
Like the families minister who got slapped down for going to a men only event?
May is having to slap down quite a few of her ministers isn't she? Not great at picking cabinet members is she?
I'd say about as good as Corbyn is at picking a shadow cabinet.
That's hardly a stunning endorsement of the government, is it?
Well CLCC gave just 4 examples of dissent amongst the Tory ranks. On the other hand if you look at Corbyn's leadership of the Labour party it's far, far worse. Just look at the Labour voting record on the EU Withdrawal bill last week, Corbyn ordered a 3 line whip on the Labour party to abstain from voting on the EU Withdrawal bill and 58 of his MP's rebelled against him and defied him. I'd say that dissent amongst his Labour ranks is far worse than anything the Tories are experiencing.
Well I'm not going to disagree with you on that but what I really don't see is how does that make any difference to the fact that the government is totally divided, leaderless and in a disorganised mess. I mean it's either good or bad news if the official opposition is a disorganised mess, depending on your political point of view, but if the government is a disorganised mess that's a worry whatever your political point of view..
Well there's a perfectly good reason for Tory disharmony!.
One half of the Tories don't really want brexit and the half don't want brexit but can't face like looking like cunts to the electorate....I mean apart from Davis nobody on the cabinet is actually a brexiter, your bound to have disorganisation, it wouldn't be any different under labour, the only party that's completely against democracy is the liberal "democrats" and they wouldn't be disorganised at all because they 100% all hate brexit"When did putting forward your point of view start to equate to being "completely against democracy" and does that mean that all BREXITers have been "completely against democracy" for 41 years since the first referendum in 1975? In my opinion referendum are the tool of demigods, dictators and populists, never actually resolve any issue, never are a true reflection of the actual will of the people and should never be considered binding on a democratically elected government. | |||
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"Ppl will put it aside when it's all over but don't forget there was lies both sides tho but what did we expect from Politians Will they though I think you could be wrong there The divide is ferocious Brexiteers think there right And remainer s think there right it’s 50 50 I hate to say it but views are so strong in both sides it will never finish You think your doing the right thing voting leave And I think I’m doing the right thing voting remain It’s all about views Tell me how do you make it do everyone excepts the result The answer is you can’t so it’s s stalemate " Stop it, just stop it and Calm down when you post silly figures like "50-50" everyone laughs and shakes their head, even remainers know they lost the vote the whole World knows the result, well apart from yourself | |||
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