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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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Prosecution very much laying the blame at the door of right wing propaganda and extremist posts on social media.
Can’t help but wonder about the hatred and vitriol directed at “foreigners” generally is getting really out of hand. What has happened to suddenly make some people feel “enabled” to direct aggressive and divisive rhetoric about their perceived hatred of (Muslims, EU, Eastern Europeans etc - delete as appropriate). |
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Suddenly!.
Think you'll find this has been coming on awhile, it's probably more that you've had your eyes opened by recent events?
I can imaging in a few years time you'll be bleating about this "sudden" climate catastrophe once you've been awakened from your middle class hypnosis |
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"What has happened to suddenly make some people feel “enabled” to direct aggressive and divisive rhetoric about their perceived hatred of (Muslims, EU, Eastern Europeans etc - delete as appropriate)."
Brexit.
The answer is brexit.
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"Prosecution very much laying the blame at the door of right wing propaganda and extremist posts on social media.
Can’t help but wonder about the hatred and vitriol directed at “foreigners” generally is getting really out of hand. What has happened to suddenly make some people feel “enabled” to direct aggressive and divisive rhetoric about their perceived hatred of (Muslims, EU, Eastern Europeans etc - delete as appropriate)."
They feel entitled....and it was how the leave campaign was run that did it and there rhetoric around EU nationals ....sad thing is theres people on here that actually think like it  |
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"On BBC news it said he was enraged over the Rochdale sex ring that was shown on tv "
Half the truth as per
A man who drove a van into a crowd near a mosque intended to kill as many Muslims as possible and had been “brainwashed” by extremist right wing propaganda after watching a primetime BBC drama about a Muslim grooming gang, a jury has heard.
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"I know I seen the news but it as nothing to do with brexit tho but he should be delt with the same as any terrorist "
Exactly.
After all Brexit was a populist movement driven by a fear that too many of the wrong people are coming into the UK, so it's inconceivable that it becoming a reality would have emboldened people. |
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"I know I seen the news but it as nothing to do with brexit tho but he should be delt with the same as any terrorist
Exactly.
After all Brexit was a populist movement driven by a fear that too many of the wrong people are coming into the UK, so it's inconceivable that it becoming a reality would have emboldened people."
Exactly! It's absolute nonsense! It's a well known fact the UK only accepts the cream of the developing worlds, both social and economic. Enriching our broken nation by the container load.  |
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How come nobody else has been brain washed by watching a BBC program and watching far right propaganda.Seems a plea of being a brainwashed white supremacist will get you less time.Seems legit.  |
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"How come nobody else has been brain washed by watching a BBC program and watching far right propaganda.Seems a plea of being a brainwashed white supremacist will get you less time.Seems legit. "
He should have said he was inspired by IS, the guardian would have crowd funded him. |
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"How come nobody else has been brain washed by watching a BBC program and watching far right propaganda.Seems a plea of being a brainwashed white supremacist will get you less time.Seems legit.
He should have said he was inspired by IS, the guardian would have crowd funded him. "
Or Corbyn may have called him a friend (which is exactly what he called Hamas and Hezbollah). |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How come nobody else has been brain washed by watching a BBC program and watching far right propaganda.Seems a plea of being a brainwashed white supremacist will get you less time.Seems legit.
He should have said he was inspired by IS, the guardian would have crowd funded him.
Or Corbyn may have called him a friend (which is exactly what he called Hamas and Hezbollah). "
Hqa...again no condemnation yet again from you on these pointy hatters....  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How come nobody else has been brain washed by watching a BBC program and watching far right propaganda.Seems a plea of being a brainwashed white supremacist will get you less time.Seems legit.
He should have said he was inspired by IS, the guardian would have crowd
funded him.
Or Corbyn may have called him a friend (which is exactly what he called Hamas and Hezbollah). "
You mean like in the way May has made a pack with a terrorist organisation to keep- her in power...yet more bullshit from you |
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"How come nobody else has been brain washed by watching a BBC program and watching far right propaganda.Seems a plea of being a brainwashed white supremacist will get you less time.Seems legit. "
Well, I'd imagine they certainly have, but they stick to furiously retweeting each other and promising themselves that they'd be first in line to join the army and do some killin' if it wasn't for their bum leg. |
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"I know I seen the news but it as nothing to do with brexit tho but he should be delt with the same as any terrorist
Exactly.
After all Brexit was a populist movement driven by a fear that too many of the wrong people are coming into the UK, so it's inconceivable that it becoming a reality would have emboldened people.
Exactly! It's absolute nonsense! It's a well known fact the UK only accepts the cream of the developing worlds, both social and economic. Enriching our broken nation by the container load. "
"Strength Through Purity, Purity Through Faith" |
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"It's always interesting to see which posters side with the white supremacists. .
I used to hate Nazis till I read your posts  "
My, my.. Aren't we being as edgy as we can tonight.
Bless.
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"I know I seen the news but it as nothing to do with brexit tho but he should be delt with the same as any terrorist
Exactly.
After all Brexit was a populist movement driven by a fear that too many of the wrong people are coming into the UK, so it's inconceivable that it becoming a reality would have emboldened people.
Exactly! It's absolute nonsense! It's a well known fact the UK only accepts the cream of the developing worlds, both social and economic. Enriching our broken nation by the container load.
"Strength Through Purity, Purity Through Faith" "
Very
Vexatious
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"I know I seen the news but it as nothing to do with brexit tho but he should be delt with the same as any terrorist
Exactly.
After all Brexit was a populist movement driven by a fear that too many of the wrong people are coming into the UK, so it's inconceivable that it becoming a reality would have emboldened people.
Exactly! It's absolute nonsense! It's a well known fact the UK only accepts the cream of the developing worlds, both social and economic. Enriching our broken nation by the container load. "
and the lorry load |
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"It's always interesting to see which posters side with the white supremacists. .
I used to hate Nazis till I read your posts
My, my.. Aren't we being as edgy as we can tonight.
Bless.
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Edgy? |
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"It's always interesting to see which posters side with the white supremacists. .
I used to hate Nazis till I read your posts
My, my.. Aren't we being as edgy as we can tonight.
Bless.
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Edgy?"
Yes. |
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"I know I seen the news but it as nothing to do with brexit tho but he should be delt with the same as any terrorist
Exactly.
After all Brexit was a populist movement driven by a fear that too many of the wrong people are coming into the UK, so it's inconceivable that it becoming a reality would have emboldened people.
Exactly! It's absolute nonsense! It's a well known fact the UK only accepts the cream of the developing worlds, both social and economic. Enriching our broken nation by the container load.
and the lorry load "
You read too much of the Daily Fail |
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"I know I seen the news but it as nothing to do with brexit tho but he should be delt with the same as any terrorist
Exactly.
After all Brexit was a populist movement driven by a fear that too many of the wrong people are coming into the UK, so it's inconceivable that it becoming a reality would have emboldened people.
Exactly! It's absolute nonsense! It's a well known fact the UK only accepts the cream of the developing worlds, both social and economic. Enriching our broken nation by the container load.
and the lorry load
You read too much of the Daily Fail "
The manufactured fear of foreigners is like catnip to white supremacists. |
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"It's always interesting to see which posters side with the white supremacists. .
I used to hate Nazis till I read your posts
My, my.. Aren't we being as edgy as we can tonight.
Bless.
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Edgy?
Yes. "
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Yes what |
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"Prosecution very much laying the blame at the door of right wing propaganda and extremist posts on social media.
Can’t help but wonder about the hatred and vitriol directed at “foreigners” generally is getting really out of hand. What has happened to suddenly make some people feel “enabled” to direct aggressive and divisive rhetoric about their perceived hatred of (Muslims, EU, Eastern Europeans etc - delete as appropriate)."
I think there's quite a few on here who wouldn't want to delete any of those words. |
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"It's always interesting to see which posters side with the white supremacists. .
I used to hate Nazis till I read your posts "
I used to dislike lefties till I arrived on this site.
Some people improve through their experiences, others don't. |
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"How come nobody else has been brain washed by watching a BBC program and watching far right propaganda.Seems a plea of being a brainwashed white supremacist will get you less time.Seems legit. "
Just because they haven't got to the stage of killing people doesn't mean they haven't been. It's a gradual process. I've seen those BBC documentaries, and their attempts at "interrogating" far right views would be laughable, if it wasn't so serious.
"Do you know that there's some people who don't agree with what you're saying?"
"Yes, and those people are subhuman"
Really, I would point all this anti-immigration rhetoric back to when Michael Howard, as Tory leader, adopted anti-immigration, and particularly anti-refugee positions (ironic as his parents came here after fleeing Nazi Romania). Kicking away the ladder. This was quite possibly a response to moderate electoral successes by the BNP. The strategy didn't go too well until the economic crisis. |
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"It's always interesting to see which posters side with the white supremacists. .
I used to hate Nazis till I read your posts
I used to dislike lefties till I arrived on this site.
Some people improve through their experiences, others don't."
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What do you want a blue Peter badge for loving lefties after your entire lifetime voting Tories into power while happily watching the working classes get screwed over for your personal tax breaks... My heart bleeds for your compassion  |
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"It's always interesting to see which posters side with the white supremacists. .
I used to hate Nazis till I read your posts
I used to dislike lefties till I arrived on this site.
Some people improve through their experiences, others don't..
What do you want a blue Peter badge for loving lefties after your entire lifetime voting Tories into power while happily watching the working classes get screwed over for your personal tax breaks... My heart bleeds for your compassion "
Your compassion for overs, whether working class or not, constantly shines through in the comments you make in your regular posts. |
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"It's always interesting to see which posters side with the white supremacists. .
I used to hate Nazis till I read your posts
I used to dislike lefties till I arrived on this site.
Some people improve through their experiences, others don't..
What do you want a blue Peter badge for loving lefties after your entire lifetime voting Tories into power while happily watching the working classes get screwed over for your personal tax breaks... My heart bleeds for your compassion
Your compassion for overs, whether working class or not, constantly shines through in the comments you make in your regular posts."
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I don't regularly post except to pick apart the constant hypocrisy bullshit from the middle class Tory knobs crying over being screwed by a democratic vote. |
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"Are we fellating the myth of the salt of the earth, white, working class man again?
Hold on, I'll see if I can find some appropriate country music..."
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Some people aren't as lucky as you, getting to sit on here all day for a living, some have to actually break into a sweat |
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"Are we fellating the myth of the salt of the earth, white, working class man again?
Hold on, I'll see if I can find some appropriate country music....
Some people aren't as lucky as you, getting to sit on here all day for a living, some have to actually break into a sweat"
Does this ennoble them somehow?
Otherwise, I can't see why it'd be important in the slightest.
But then again, I'm not a self confessed bullshitter. |
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"It's always interesting to see which posters side with the white supremacists. .
I used to hate Nazis till I read your posts
I used to dislike lefties till I arrived on this site.
Some people improve through their experiences, others don't..
What do you want a blue Peter badge for loving lefties after your entire lifetime voting Tories into power while happily watching the working classes get screwed over for your personal tax breaks... My heart bleeds for your compassion
Your compassion for others, whether working class or not, constantly shines through in the comments you make in your regular posts..
I don't regularly post except to pick apart the constant hypocrisy bullshit from the middle class Tory knobs crying over being screwed by a democratic vote."
Regularly enough for your true compassion for others to show through. Of that you can be sure.
And I think you'll find there is little or no inconsistency in what I post and, while you may not agree with what I say, without inconsistency there can be no hypocrisy.
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"Are we fellating the myth of the salt of the earth, white, working class man again?
Hold on, I'll see if I can find some appropriate country music....
Some people aren't as lucky as you, getting to sit on here all day for a living, some have to actually break into a sweat"
Christ, pity the poor guy who has to come to a swingers forum to appear clever.... |
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"Are we fellating the myth of the salt of the earth, white, working class man again?
Hold on, I'll see if I can find some appropriate country music....
Some people aren't as lucky as you, getting to sit on here all day for a living, some have to actually break into a sweat
Christ, pity the poor guy who has to come to a swingers forum to appear clever...."
"Appear" |
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"It's always interesting to see which posters side with the white supremacists. .
I used to hate Nazis till I read your posts
I used to dislike lefties till I arrived on this site.
Some people improve through their experiences, others don't..
What do you want a blue Peter badge for loving lefties after your entire lifetime voting Tories into power while happily watching the working classes get screwed over for your personal tax breaks... My heart bleeds for your compassion
Your compassion for others, whether working class or not, constantly shines through in the comments you make in your regular posts..
I don't regularly post except to pick apart the constant hypocrisy bullshit from the middle class Tory knobs crying over being screwed by a democratic vote.
Regularly enough for your true compassion for others to show through. Of that you can be sure.
And I think you'll find there is little or no inconsistency in what I post and, while you may not agree with what I say, without inconsistency there can be no hypocrisy.
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Oh contraire, I agree with lots of things you say, I just don't think I should join you in telling vast swathes of society in what a bunch of "racist" "xenophobic" "treasonous" knob ends they are are for voting for "brexit" or voting for "demigods" like farrage because in the end, failures at democratic levels and failures by political parties for 40 years have driven them to it.
Nobody suddenly thought oohhhh you know what, things are going so well in my life at the moment I think I'll vote brexit or Nige.
Is there some racism in brexit, sure, is there some xenophobia, probably but the real big reason is an awful lot of people have seen there standard of living plummet, their personal debt skyrocket, their student loans treble, their working hours increase, their tax has gone up up up with stealth and indirect taxation while Facebook and Apple use complicated EU tax policy to negate theirs, their in austerity while Westminster and the EU build lovely new buildings and have extravagant personal allowances, their in a 7 hour queue in A&E while wealthier people fork out a few hundred quid to walk straight by them and to be frank nobody democratically voted for unlimited immigration or EU policy's or for that matter any trade deals or WTO tariffs, these are all policies decided by bankers lawyers and lobbyists over weak neo liberal politicans.
For all the fuss about trumps low ratings nobody seems to mention truedeus or macrons or Merkel's, the media quietly pushes those sections of society giving these leaders poor ratings to the back and ten years ago we'd all just have sang along like before without nothing really happening... However as Bob said, the times they are a changin, they have unelected spokesman on the interweb now and frankly that worries me more than brexit  |
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" and to be frank nobody democratically voted for unlimited immigration or EU policy's "
They did. Back in 1975.
And since then they've consistently elected representatives to act on their behalf, because that's how a representative democracy works.
Complaining that "there was no democratic vote" for trade deals or whatever is just moronic, because let's be honest what is it you'd imagine you or anyone else like you would bring to the table when a hypothetical vote about a trade agreement came up.
That's right, fucking nothing.
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" and to be frank nobody democratically voted for unlimited immigration or EU policy's
They did. Back in 1975.
And since then they've consistently elected representatives to act on their behalf, because that's how a representative democracy works.
Complaining that "there was no democratic vote" for trade deals or whatever is just moronic, because let's be honest what is it you'd imagine you or anyone else like you would bring to the table when a hypothetical vote about a trade agreement came up.
That's right, fucking nothing.
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was it nothing?
or
Fucking nothing
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" and to be frank nobody democratically voted for unlimited immigration or EU policy's
They did. Back in 1975.
And since then they've consistently elected representatives to act on their behalf, because that's how a representative democracy works.
Complaining that "there was no democratic vote" for trade deals or whatever is just moronic, because let's be honest what is it you'd imagine you or anyone else like you would bring to the table when a hypothetical vote about a trade agreement came up.
That's right, fucking nothing.
was it nothing?
or
Fucking nothing
lol"
*Gasp*!
Such salty language, you must be so ashamed of yourself. |
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" and to be frank nobody democratically voted for unlimited immigration or EU policy's
They did. Back in 1975.
And since then they've consistently elected representatives to act on their behalf, because that's how a representative democracy works.
Complaining that "there was no democratic vote" for trade deals or whatever is just moronic, because let's be honest what is it you'd imagine you or anyone else like you would bring to the table when a hypothetical vote about a trade agreement came up.
That's right, fucking nothing.
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1975 was a referendum on the common market not the EU political block.... representative democracy only works if you have a party that offers your representation, if they both offer the same bullshit of Tory or Tory light its just a choice in colour!.
And.
So by your logic nobody should get a referendum on the brexit deal because there not bringing anything to the table?. |
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" and to be frank nobody democratically voted for unlimited immigration or EU policy's
They did. Back in 1975.
And since then they've consistently elected representatives to act on their behalf, because that's how a representative democracy works.
Complaining that "there was no democratic vote" for trade deals or whatever is just moronic, because let's be honest what is it you'd imagine you or anyone else like you would bring to the table when a hypothetical vote about a trade agreement came up.
That's right, fucking nothing.
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1975 was a referendum on the common market not the EU political block....
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Seeing as one became the other, this distinction is meaningless.
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representative democracy only works if you have a party that offers your representation, if they both offer the same bullshit of Tory or Tory light its just a choice in colour!.
And.
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"Both sides are the same" is the catchcry of the hard of thinking. You can either pick the least bad option, or get involved yourself.
Pissing and moaning that your views aren't represented is a symptom of you not engaging in the democratic process. |
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""Seeing as one became the other, this distinction is meaningless."
In my opinion, that's exactly the point. We signed up to the common market. Not the EU. "
Referendums on membership of the EU really should have been given with each new EU treaty that came along to see if we wanted to continue, particularly the Maastrict treaty and the Lisbon treaty. None were given and the Labour party did promise a referendum on the Lisbon treaty which they broke and Gordon Brown signed it anyway (without the consent of the people). |
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""Seeing as one became the other, this distinction is meaningless."
In my opinion, that's exactly the point. We signed up to the common market. Not the EU. "
And consecutive governments ratified treaties that brought the UK to where it was before this tantrum.
And seeing as the UK itself had a hand in crafting these treaties, I have no time for this argument that people should be consulted for each one.
Every Irish referendum on every treaty has amply demonstrated it's a pointless waste of time as nobody bothers to take the time to learn about what's in the treaty. So what, exactly, would be gained by doing this? |
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""Seeing as one became the other, this distinction is meaningless."
In my opinion, that's exactly the point. We signed up to the common market. Not the EU.
And consecutive governments ratified treaties that brought the UK to where it was before this tantrum.
And seeing as the UK itself had a hand in crafting these treaties, I have no time for this argument that people should be consulted for each one.
Every Irish referendum on every treaty has amply demonstrated it's a pointless waste of time as nobody bothers to take the time to learn about what's in the treaty. So what, exactly, would be gained by doing this?"
Can you tell us which party manifestos stated closer ties with the EU, including devolution of powers from Westminster to Brussels? |
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""Seeing as one became the other, this distinction is meaningless."
In my opinion, that's exactly the point. We signed up to the common market. Not the EU.
And consecutive governments ratified treaties that brought the UK to where it was before this tantrum.
And seeing as the UK itself had a hand in crafting these treaties, I have no time for this argument that people should be consulted for each one.
Every Irish referendum on every treaty has amply demonstrated it's a pointless waste of time as nobody bothers to take the time to learn about what's in the treaty. So what, exactly, would be gained by doing this?
Can you tell us which party manifestos stated closer ties with the EU, including devolution of powers from Westminster to Brussels? "
Everything prior to 2016. Because that's what being part of the EU means. |
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""Seeing as one became the other, this distinction is meaningless."
In my opinion, that's exactly the point. We signed up to the common market. Not the EU.
And consecutive governments ratified treaties that brought the UK to where it was before this tantrum.
And seeing as the UK itself had a hand in crafting these treaties, I have no time for this argument that people should be consulted for each one.
Every Irish referendum on every treaty has amply demonstrated it's a pointless waste of time as nobody bothers to take the time to learn about what's in the treaty. So what, exactly, would be gained by doing this?
Can you tell us which party manifestos stated closer ties with the EU, including devolution of powers from Westminster to Brussels?
Everything prior to 2016. Because that's what being part of the EU means."
#copout  we didn't vote to join the EU. |
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