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Scotland could be £40billion a year worse off part 3
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"there... started especially for kinky..... "excellent. You also now own the thread. Meaning you can change tact whenever you want and we have to follow.  | |||
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"Could they be that amount worse off.. is there any information to back this up?
simple information that any body can look at.. "For simple people? | |||
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"Could they be that amount worse off.. is there any information to back this up?
simple information that any body can look at..
For simple people?"more along the lines of easily understandable and can't be ducked.. evaded.. swerved etc.. | |||
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"Could they be that amount worse off.. is there any information to back this up?
simple information that any body can look at..
For simple people?
more along the lines of easily understandable and can't be ducked..
evaded..
swerved etc.."Like how many ships are being built on the Clyde * | |||
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"Question. If the cost of brexit really looks to be 12bn, does this warrant revisiting the independence vote ? Accepting there will be different views on how much independence will then change this number, is there an amount where people move to say it’s right Scotland can choose again ?" Good luck on getting an answer on that one I would appear most think to fuck with that and think its not for Scotland to choose | |||
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"Could they be that amount worse off.. is there any information to back this up?
simple information that any body can look at.. "there is the governments IA. And the underlying economic paper. And tbf the 12bn is the estimate for 2030something under hard brexit. Now while they admit it isn’t as simple as Just looking at export numbers that seems to be the starting point. But this approach rather fucks up the independence argument. As IF rUK is on WTO for the next 20 odd years, then an iScotland would be trading with rUK on WTO terms. And taking rUK as being iScotlands biggest export market, and one that is bigger than the EU, then independence has swapped a bad deal for a worse one. Tradewise at least. | |||
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"Could they be that amount worse off.. is there any information to back this up?
simple information that any body can look at.. "They could be... They could also turn into toads or a big silver flying saucer full of little green men could land on Ben Nevis... There does not have to be any information to back any claim prefixed with the word could because in an infinite multiverse everything is possible. In this particular case I expect that £40 billion a year could easily be justified by taking a worst outcome no deal scenario triggering a run on the £ leading to a collapse of the British economy, hyperinflation and civil war. Now please don't claim I am saying this will happen, I am not. Nor am I saying it is a likely outcome. What I am saying is it could happen. but I do like the fact that in a day the cost to Scotland has gone from £12 Billion to £40 Billion, now that's real inflation! 
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! " In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? " It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?  | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it? "In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland '' You dont know that thought correct ? | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?"Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right? | |||
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"Btw did anyone see Corbyn whip Labour into abstaining tonight good on the Labour mps that voted for the SNP's cross-party single market amendment? So its giving the Tories permission to drag Scotland and the UK out of the single market and customs union there is that Bain Principle coming into play Corbyn is fucking useless even when is is being told you can be a non EU member and still be in the single market" Really? What did you expect the Leader of the Labour party and Labour MP's to do? Let me remind you that it is the Tories have a track record of ditching their manifesto pledges as soon as a general election is over, not Labour. And in case you need a little more help in working out why Labour abstained you might want to have a quick look at chapter 2 of the 2017 manifesto. It's first words are, Labour accepts the referendum result and a Labour government will put the national interest first. . This means that Labour will not vote against the will of the people unless it is clearly not in the national interest. However it does not mean that Labour will help the Tories. This whole debacle is of the Tories doing and Labour intend to make the Tories own every little bit of it.  | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right? "No we dont agree The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue please do get it right | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right?
No we dont agree
The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue
please do get it right"So why do their accounts at companies house show a debt of £496,525? Are you suggesting that this accounts are incorrect? | |||
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"Btw did anyone see Corbyn whip Labour into abstaining tonight good on the Labour mps that voted for the SNP's cross-party single market amendment? So its giving the Tories permission to drag Scotland and the UK out of the single market and customs union there is that Bain Principle coming into play Corbyn is fucking useless even when is is being told you can be a non EU member and still be in the single market Really? What did you expect the Leader of the Labour party and Labour MP's to do? Let me remind you that it is the Tories have a track record of ditching their manifesto pledges as soon as a general election is over, not Labour. And in case you need a little more help in working out why Labour abstained you might want to have a quick look at chapter 2 of the 2017 manifesto. It's first words are, Labour accepts the referendum result and a Labour government will put the national interest first. . This means that Labour will not vote against the will of the people unless it is clearly not in the national interest. However it does not mean that Labour will help the Tories. This whole debacle is of the Tories doing and Labour intend to make the Tories own every little bit of it. "Lmao Labour just handed the Tories yet another gift and allowed them to drag Scotland and the UK out of the single market At least i can say there was some Labour mps that had baws and said fuck you Corbyn we aint abstaining Corbyn knows full well you can be a non EU member and still be in the single market yet he still wont back staying in the single market stop making excuses for for him Labour said they accept the result and want a meaningful vote on the final brexit deal so here is the problem you will have say Labour vote against brexit in any way Then Labour are not then respecting the result are they ? Lol | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right?
No we dont agree
The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue
please do get it right
So why do their accounts at companies house show a debt of £496,525? Are you suggesting that this accounts are incorrect? "YES Scotland ceased operations on 19th September 2014 Just as Better Together did on the same day | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right?
No we dont agree
The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue
please do get it right
So why do their accounts at companies house show a debt of £496,525? Are you suggesting that this accounts are incorrect?
YES Scotland ceased operations on 19th September 2014
Just as Better Together did on the same day
"So why are they still filing accounts? https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720 | |||
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"Btw did anyone see Corbyn whip Labour into abstaining tonight good on the Labour mps that voted for the SNP's cross-party single market amendment? So its giving the Tories permission to drag Scotland and the UK out of the single market and customs union there is that Bain Principle coming into play Corbyn is fucking useless even when is is being told you can be a non EU member and still be in the single market" Has it still not dawned on you and other remainers yet that Corbyn is a Brexiter and always has been at heart. On the EU Withdrawal bill (3rd reading) vote in the House of Commons today I call that Democracy in action. Yet again you demonstrate your complete disdain for democracy, you really don't like democracy at all do you. | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right?
No we dont agree
The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue
please do get it right
So why do their accounts at companies house show a debt of £496,525? Are you suggesting that this accounts are incorrect?
YES Scotland ceased operations on 19th September 2014
Just as Better Together did on the same day
So why are they still filing accounts?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
"Ok are you saying Yes Scotland kept going after the 19th Sept 2014 ? Oh and since you are going on about money any news into the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? lol just curious lol | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right?
No we dont agree
The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue
please do get it right
So why do their accounts at companies house show a debt of £496,525? Are you suggesting that this accounts are incorrect?
YES Scotland ceased operations on 19th September 2014
Just as Better Together did on the same day
So why are they still filing accounts?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Ok are you saying Yes Scotland kept going after the 19th Sept 2014 ?
Oh and since you are going on about money any news into the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? lol
just curious lol"I have given you a link proving they are still going, and proving they have half a million pound of debt. | |||
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"Btw did anyone see Corbyn whip Labour into abstaining tonight good on the Labour mps that voted for the SNP's cross-party single market amendment? So its giving the Tories permission to drag Scotland and the UK out of the single market and customs union there is that Bain Principle coming into play Corbyn is fucking useless even when is is being told you can be a non EU member and still be in the single market Has it still not dawned on you and other remainers yet that Corbyn is a Brexiter and always has been at heart. On the EU Withdrawal bill (3rd reading) vote in the House of Commons today I call that Democracy in action. Yet again you demonstrate your complete disdain for democracy, you really don't like democracy at all do you. " Really ? So you believe in democracy ? Then you wouldnt have a problem with a independence referendum then ? As the people of Scotland elected the SNP on their manifesto and gave them a mandate and in the Scottish parilament they gave the Scottish government a mandate on a section 30 order thats democracy right ? | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right?
No we dont agree
The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue
please do get it right
So why do their accounts at companies house show a debt of £496,525? Are you suggesting that this accounts are incorrect?
YES Scotland ceased operations on 19th September 2014
Just as Better Together did on the same day
So why are they still filing accounts?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Ok are you saying Yes Scotland kept going after the 19th Sept 2014 ?
Oh and since you are going on about money any news into the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? lol
just curious lol
I have given you a link proving they are still going, and proving they have half a million pound of debt. "Do you suspect Yes Scotland of wrong doing ? Get onto the coppers then But to anyone else they will see both campaigns in Scotland ceased on the 19th Sept 2014 So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right?
No we dont agree
The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue
please do get it right
So why do their accounts at companies house show a debt of £496,525? Are you suggesting that this accounts are incorrect?
YES Scotland ceased operations on 19th September 2014
Just as Better Together did on the same day
So why are they still filing accounts?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Ok are you saying Yes Scotland kept going after the 19th Sept 2014 ?
Oh and since you are going on about money any news into the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? lol
just curious lol
I have given you a link proving they are still going, and proving they have half a million pound of debt.
Do you suspect Yes Scotland of wrong doing ? Get onto the coppers then
But to anyone else they will see both campaigns in Scotland ceased on the 19th Sept 2014
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England?"I didn't say they broke the law, I said that Yes Scotland owe half a million pounds. So in any future campaign, they would have to raise half a mil before they could spend a penny, the other side however have money in the bank and are ready to go. I bet that head start will come in handy
Its funny though, because I had thought that Yes Scotland had originally said they wouldn't take any money from the SNP, but ended up taking over £700,000. In fact Ive heard they got the nickname YeSNP 
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right?
No we dont agree
The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue
please do get it right
So why do their accounts at companies house show a debt of £496,525? Are you suggesting that this accounts are incorrect?
YES Scotland ceased operations on 19th September 2014
Just as Better Together did on the same day
So why are they still filing accounts?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Ok are you saying Yes Scotland kept going after the 19th Sept 2014 ?
Oh and since you are going on about money any news into the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? lol
just curious lol
I have given you a link proving they are still going, and proving they have half a million pound of debt.
Do you suspect Yes Scotland of wrong doing ? Get onto the coppers then
But to anyone else they will see both campaigns in Scotland ceased on the 19th Sept 2014
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England?
I didn't say they broke the law, I said that Yes Scotland owe half a million pounds. So in any future campaign, they would have to raise half a mil before they could spend a penny, the other side however have money in the bank and are ready to go. I bet that head start will come in handy
Its funny though, because I had thought that Yes Scotland had originally said they wouldn't take any money from the SNP, but ended up taking over £700,000. In fact Ive heard they got the nickname YeSNP
"Again i part of the YES movement grassroots YES campaign and we dont owe a penny Ah right is that the rich donors from Scotland in the union by any chance ? Now why would they be putting money in what they claim Scotland doesnt want a independence referendum ? Strange lol Head start really ? Well see when the Yes movement can come out and ask what promises have the Better Together mob dleivered to Scotland i wouldn't be so damn cocky Here is a few promises they broke Steel works Ship yards 13 type 26 frigates HMRC jobs The EU all of them i have listed there The Better Togther camp said would be safe in the Uk which was alot of bullshit | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right?
No we dont agree
The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue
please do get it right
So why do their accounts at companies house show a debt of £496,525? Are you suggesting that this accounts are incorrect?
YES Scotland ceased operations on 19th September 2014
Just as Better Together did on the same day
So why are they still filing accounts?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Ok are you saying Yes Scotland kept going after the 19th Sept 2014 ?
Oh and since you are going on about money any news into the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? lol
just curious lol
I have given you a link proving they are still going, and proving they have half a million pound of debt.
Do you suspect Yes Scotland of wrong doing ? Get onto the coppers then
But to anyone else they will see both campaigns in Scotland ceased on the 19th Sept 2014
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England?
I didn't say they broke the law, I said that Yes Scotland owe half a million pounds. So in any future campaign, they would have to raise half a mil before they could spend a penny, the other side however have money in the bank and are ready to go. I bet that head start will come in handy
Its funny though, because I had thought that Yes Scotland had originally said they wouldn't take any money from the SNP, but ended up taking over £700,000. In fact Ive heard they got the nickname YeSNP
Again i part of the YES movement grassroots YES campaign and we dont owe a penny
Ah right is that the rich donors from Scotland in the union by any chance ? Now why would they be putting money in what they claim Scotland doesnt want a independence referendum ? Strange lol
Head start really ? Well see when the Yes movement can come out and ask what promises have the Better Together mob dleivered to Scotland i wouldn't be so damn cocky
Here is a few promises they broke
Steel works
Ship yards
13 type 26 frigates
HMRC jobs
The EU
all of them i have listed there The Better Togther camp said would be safe in the Uk which was alot of bullshit "I've already proved that the accounts logged with companies house prove that there is a debt of £500,000. So if you are saying that's not the case, then you must be saying that Yes Scotland have submitted false accounts to companies house. Now that is quite a serious claim kinky. Are you sure that the accounts submitted showing the debt are false? | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right?
No we dont agree
The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue
please do get it right
So why do their accounts at companies house show a debt of £496,525? Are you suggesting that this accounts are incorrect?
YES Scotland ceased operations on 19th September 2014
Just as Better Together did on the same day
So why are they still filing accounts?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Ok are you saying Yes Scotland kept going after the 19th Sept 2014 ?
Oh and since you are going on about money any news into the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? lol
just curious lol
I have given you a link proving they are still going, and proving they have half a million pound of debt.
Do you suspect Yes Scotland of wrong doing ? Get onto the coppers then
But to anyone else they will see both campaigns in Scotland ceased on the 19th Sept 2014
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England?
I didn't say they broke the law, I said that Yes Scotland owe half a million pounds. So in any future campaign, they would have to raise half a mil before they could spend a penny, the other side however have money in the bank and are ready to go. I bet that head start will come in handy
Its funny though, because I had thought that Yes Scotland had originally said they wouldn't take any money from the SNP, but ended up taking over £700,000. In fact Ive heard they got the nickname YeSNP
Again i part of the YES movement grassroots YES campaign and we dont owe a penny
Ah right is that the rich donors from Scotland in the union by any chance ? Now why would they be putting money in what they claim Scotland doesnt want a independence referendum ? Strange lol
Head start really ? Well see when the Yes movement can come out and ask what promises have the Better Together mob dleivered to Scotland i wouldn't be so damn cocky
Here is a few promises they broke
Steel works
Ship yards
13 type 26 frigates
HMRC jobs
The EU
all of them i have listed there The Better Togther camp said would be safe in the Uk which was alot of bullshit
I've already proved that the accounts logged with companies house prove that there is a debt of £500,000.
So if you are saying that's not the case, then you must be saying that Yes Scotland have submitted false accounts to companies house. Now that is quite a serious claim kinky. Are you sure that the accounts submitted showing the debt are false? "Right are you claim Yes Scotland are still going can you prove this ? If you think this is true get to your local cop shop and get them told on this news I am telling you on the 19th Sept 2014 both sides ceased And again the Yes movement is the grassroots YES campaign and i do not owe a damn penny nor does anyone else So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? Just curious to know seen as i dont live in England whats the news down there on this issue ? | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right?
No we dont agree
The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue
please do get it right
So why do their accounts at companies house show a debt of £496,525? Are you suggesting that this accounts are incorrect?
YES Scotland ceased operations on 19th September 2014
Just as Better Together did on the same day
So why are they still filing accounts?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Ok are you saying Yes Scotland kept going after the 19th Sept 2014 ?
Oh and since you are going on about money any news into the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? lol
just curious lol
I have given you a link proving they are still going, and proving they have half a million pound of debt.
Do you suspect Yes Scotland of wrong doing ? Get onto the coppers then
But to anyone else they will see both campaigns in Scotland ceased on the 19th Sept 2014
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England?
I didn't say they broke the law, I said that Yes Scotland owe half a million pounds. So in any future campaign, they would have to raise half a mil before they could spend a penny, the other side however have money in the bank and are ready to go. I bet that head start will come in handy
Its funny though, because I had thought that Yes Scotland had originally said they wouldn't take any money from the SNP, but ended up taking over £700,000. In fact Ive heard they got the nickname YeSNP
Again i part of the YES movement grassroots YES campaign and we dont owe a penny
Ah right is that the rich donors from Scotland in the union by any chance ? Now why would they be putting money in what they claim Scotland doesnt want a independence referendum ? Strange lol
Head start really ? Well see when the Yes movement can come out and ask what promises have the Better Together mob dleivered to Scotland i wouldn't be so damn cocky
Here is a few promises they broke
Steel works
Ship yards
13 type 26 frigates
HMRC jobs
The EU
all of them i have listed there The Better Togther camp said would be safe in the Uk which was alot of bullshit
I've already proved that the accounts logged with companies house prove that there is a debt of £500,000.
So if you are saying that's not the case, then you must be saying that Yes Scotland have submitted false accounts to companies house. Now that is quite a serious claim kinky. Are you sure that the accounts submitted showing the debt are false?
Right are you claim Yes Scotland are still going can you prove this ? If you think this is true get to your local cop shop and get them told on this news
I am telling you on the 19th Sept 2014 both sides ceased
And again the Yes movement is the grassroots YES campaign and i do not owe a damn penny nor does anyone else
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? Just curious to know seen as i dont live in England whats the news down there on this issue ?
"Yes, I proved it with the link to companies house. Did you follow the link? https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720 Here it is again for you! | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right?
No we dont agree
The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue
please do get it right
So why do their accounts at companies house show a debt of £496,525? Are you suggesting that this accounts are incorrect?
YES Scotland ceased operations on 19th September 2014
Just as Better Together did on the same day
So why are they still filing accounts?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Ok are you saying Yes Scotland kept going after the 19th Sept 2014 ?
Oh and since you are going on about money any news into the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? lol
just curious lol
I have given you a link proving they are still going, and proving they have half a million pound of debt.
Do you suspect Yes Scotland of wrong doing ? Get onto the coppers then
But to anyone else they will see both campaigns in Scotland ceased on the 19th Sept 2014
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England?
I didn't say they broke the law, I said that Yes Scotland owe half a million pounds. So in any future campaign, they would have to raise half a mil before they could spend a penny, the other side however have money in the bank and are ready to go. I bet that head start will come in handy
Its funny though, because I had thought that Yes Scotland had originally said they wouldn't take any money from the SNP, but ended up taking over £700,000. In fact Ive heard they got the nickname YeSNP
Again i part of the YES movement grassroots YES campaign and we dont owe a penny
Ah right is that the rich donors from Scotland in the union by any chance ? Now why would they be putting money in what they claim Scotland doesnt want a independence referendum ? Strange lol
Head start really ? Well see when the Yes movement can come out and ask what promises have the Better Together mob dleivered to Scotland i wouldn't be so damn cocky
Here is a few promises they broke
Steel works
Ship yards
13 type 26 frigates
HMRC jobs
The EU
all of them i have listed there The Better Togther camp said would be safe in the Uk which was alot of bullshit
I've already proved that the accounts logged with companies house prove that there is a debt of £500,000.
So if you are saying that's not the case, then you must be saying that Yes Scotland have submitted false accounts to companies house. Now that is quite a serious claim kinky. Are you sure that the accounts submitted showing the debt are false?
Right are you claim Yes Scotland are still going can you prove this ? If you think this is true get to your local cop shop and get them told on this news
I am telling you on the 19th Sept 2014 both sides ceased
And again the Yes movement is the grassroots YES campaign and i do not owe a damn penny nor does anyone else
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? Just curious to know seen as i dont live in England whats the news down there on this issue ?
Yes, I proved it with the link to companies house. Did you follow the link?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Here it is again for you! "Right if you think that get to your local cop shop then So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? Just curious to know seen as i dont live in England whats the news down there on this issue ? | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right?
No we dont agree
The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue
please do get it right
So why do their accounts at companies house show a debt of £496,525? Are you suggesting that this accounts are incorrect?
YES Scotland ceased operations on 19th September 2014
Just as Better Together did on the same day
So why are they still filing accounts?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Ok are you saying Yes Scotland kept going after the 19th Sept 2014 ?
Oh and since you are going on about money any news into the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? lol
just curious lol
I have given you a link proving they are still going, and proving they have half a million pound of debt.
Do you suspect Yes Scotland of wrong doing ? Get onto the coppers then
But to anyone else they will see both campaigns in Scotland ceased on the 19th Sept 2014
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England?
I didn't say they broke the law, I said that Yes Scotland owe half a million pounds. So in any future campaign, they would have to raise half a mil before they could spend a penny, the other side however have money in the bank and are ready to go. I bet that head start will come in handy
Its funny though, because I had thought that Yes Scotland had originally said they wouldn't take any money from the SNP, but ended up taking over £700,000. In fact Ive heard they got the nickname YeSNP
Again i part of the YES movement grassroots YES campaign and we dont owe a penny
Ah right is that the rich donors from Scotland in the union by any chance ? Now why would they be putting money in what they claim Scotland doesnt want a independence referendum ? Strange lol
Head start really ? Well see when the Yes movement can come out and ask what promises have the Better Together mob dleivered to Scotland i wouldn't be so damn cocky
Here is a few promises they broke
Steel works
Ship yards
13 type 26 frigates
HMRC jobs
The EU
all of them i have listed there The Better Togther camp said would be safe in the Uk which was alot of bullshit
I've already proved that the accounts logged with companies house prove that there is a debt of £500,000.
So if you are saying that's not the case, then you must be saying that Yes Scotland have submitted false accounts to companies house. Now that is quite a serious claim kinky. Are you sure that the accounts submitted showing the debt are false?
Right are you claim Yes Scotland are still going can you prove this ? If you think this is true get to your local cop shop and get them told on this news
I am telling you on the 19th Sept 2014 both sides ceased
And again the Yes movement is the grassroots YES campaign and i do not owe a damn penny nor does anyone else
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? Just curious to know seen as i dont live in England whats the news down there on this issue ?
Yes, I proved it with the link to companies house. Did you follow the link?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Here it is again for you!
Right if you think that get to your local cop shop then
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? Just curious to know seen as i dont live in England whats the news down there on this issue ?"I have never said that they have done anything illegal, I'm just pointing out that they are gonna be way behind, as they will have to raise half a mil before they can spend a penny, just to pay off debts. You however said that the accounts logged with companies house were false, and that no debts are owed. So which is it? Are the accounts true or false? I think even you can see the silliness in asking if a news story was in the news, as by definition, it would have to be. | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right?
No we dont agree
The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue
please do get it right
So why do their accounts at companies house show a debt of £496,525? Are you suggesting that this accounts are incorrect?
YES Scotland ceased operations on 19th September 2014
Just as Better Together did on the same day
So why are they still filing accounts?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Ok are you saying Yes Scotland kept going after the 19th Sept 2014 ?
Oh and since you are going on about money any news into the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? lol
just curious lol
I have given you a link proving they are still going, and proving they have half a million pound of debt.
Do you suspect Yes Scotland of wrong doing ? Get onto the coppers then
But to anyone else they will see both campaigns in Scotland ceased on the 19th Sept 2014
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England?
I didn't say they broke the law, I said that Yes Scotland owe half a million pounds. So in any future campaign, they would have to raise half a mil before they could spend a penny, the other side however have money in the bank and are ready to go. I bet that head start will come in handy
Its funny though, because I had thought that Yes Scotland had originally said they wouldn't take any money from the SNP, but ended up taking over £700,000. In fact Ive heard they got the nickname YeSNP
Again i part of the YES movement grassroots YES campaign and we dont owe a penny
Ah right is that the rich donors from Scotland in the union by any chance ? Now why would they be putting money in what they claim Scotland doesnt want a independence referendum ? Strange lol
Head start really ? Well see when the Yes movement can come out and ask what promises have the Better Together mob dleivered to Scotland i wouldn't be so damn cocky
Here is a few promises they broke
Steel works
Ship yards
13 type 26 frigates
HMRC jobs
The EU
all of them i have listed there The Better Togther camp said would be safe in the Uk which was alot of bullshit
I've already proved that the accounts logged with companies house prove that there is a debt of £500,000.
So if you are saying that's not the case, then you must be saying that Yes Scotland have submitted false accounts to companies house. Now that is quite a serious claim kinky. Are you sure that the accounts submitted showing the debt are false?
Right are you claim Yes Scotland are still going can you prove this ? If you think this is true get to your local cop shop and get them told on this news
I am telling you on the 19th Sept 2014 both sides ceased
And again the Yes movement is the grassroots YES campaign and i do not owe a damn penny nor does anyone else
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? Just curious to know seen as i dont live in England whats the news down there on this issue ?
Yes, I proved it with the link to companies house. Did you follow the link?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Here it is again for you!
Right if you think that get to your local cop shop then
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? Just curious to know seen as i dont live in England whats the news down there on this issue ?
I have never said that they have done anything illegal, I'm just pointing out that they are gonna be way behind, as they will have to raise half a mil before they can spend a penny, just to pay off debts. You however said that the accounts logged with companies house were false, and that no debts are owed. So which is it? Are the accounts true or false?
I think even you can see the silliness in asking if a news story was in the news, as by definition, it would have to be. "I'll take your silence as a retraction of your earlier statements on the issue, and as agreement that they owe half a million. | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right?
No we dont agree
The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue
please do get it right
So why do their accounts at companies house show a debt of £496,525? Are you suggesting that this accounts are incorrect?
YES Scotland ceased operations on 19th September 2014
Just as Better Together did on the same day
So why are they still filing accounts?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Ok are you saying Yes Scotland kept going after the 19th Sept 2014 ?
Oh and since you are going on about money any news into the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? lol
just curious lol
I have given you a link proving they are still going, and proving they have half a million pound of debt.
Do you suspect Yes Scotland of wrong doing ? Get onto the coppers then
But to anyone else they will see both campaigns in Scotland ceased on the 19th Sept 2014
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England?
I didn't say they broke the law, I said that Yes Scotland owe half a million pounds. So in any future campaign, they would have to raise half a mil before they could spend a penny, the other side however have money in the bank and are ready to go. I bet that head start will come in handy
Its funny though, because I had thought that Yes Scotland had originally said they wouldn't take any money from the SNP, but ended up taking over £700,000. In fact Ive heard they got the nickname YeSNP
Again i part of the YES movement grassroots YES campaign and we dont owe a penny
Ah right is that the rich donors from Scotland in the union by any chance ? Now why would they be putting money in what they claim Scotland doesnt want a independence referendum ? Strange lol
Head start really ? Well see when the Yes movement can come out and ask what promises have the Better Together mob dleivered to Scotland i wouldn't be so damn cocky
Here is a few promises they broke
Steel works
Ship yards
13 type 26 frigates
HMRC jobs
The EU
all of them i have listed there The Better Togther camp said would be safe in the Uk which was alot of bullshit
I've already proved that the accounts logged with companies house prove that there is a debt of £500,000.
So if you are saying that's not the case, then you must be saying that Yes Scotland have submitted false accounts to companies house. Now that is quite a serious claim kinky. Are you sure that the accounts submitted showing the debt are false?
Right are you claim Yes Scotland are still going can you prove this ? If you think this is true get to your local cop shop and get them told on this news
I am telling you on the 19th Sept 2014 both sides ceased
And again the Yes movement is the grassroots YES campaign and i do not owe a damn penny nor does anyone else
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? Just curious to know seen as i dont live in England whats the news down there on this issue ?
Yes, I proved it with the link to companies house. Did you follow the link?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Here it is again for you!
Right if you think that get to your local cop shop then
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? Just curious to know seen as i dont live in England whats the news down there on this issue ?
I have never said that they have done anything illegal, I'm just pointing out that they are gonna be way behind, as they will have to raise half a mil before they can spend a penny, just to pay off debts. You however said that the accounts logged with companies house were false, and that no debts are owed. So which is it? Are the accounts true or false?
I think even you can see the silliness in asking if a news story was in the news, as by definition, it would have to be.
I'll take your silence as a retraction of your earlier statements on the issue, and as agreement that they owe half a million. "What ? No i retract fuck all i stand by my statement Yes Scotland ceased on the 19th Sept 2014 Also what are you not getting about the Yes movement is the wider grassroots campaign and it dont owe a fucking penny So i retract fuck all clear yet ? lol | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right?
No we dont agree
The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue
please do get it right
So why do their accounts at companies house show a debt of £496,525? Are you suggesting that this accounts are incorrect?
YES Scotland ceased operations on 19th September 2014
Just as Better Together did on the same day
So why are they still filing accounts?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Ok are you saying Yes Scotland kept going after the 19th Sept 2014 ?
Oh and since you are going on about money any news into the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? lol
just curious lol
I have given you a link proving they are still going, and proving they have half a million pound of debt.
Do you suspect Yes Scotland of wrong doing ? Get onto the coppers then
But to anyone else they will see both campaigns in Scotland ceased on the 19th Sept 2014
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England?
I didn't say they broke the law, I said that Yes Scotland owe half a million pounds. So in any future campaign, they would have to raise half a mil before they could spend a penny, the other side however have money in the bank and are ready to go. I bet that head start will come in handy
Its funny though, because I had thought that Yes Scotland had originally said they wouldn't take any money from the SNP, but ended up taking over £700,000. In fact Ive heard they got the nickname YeSNP
Again i part of the YES movement grassroots YES campaign and we dont owe a penny
Ah right is that the rich donors from Scotland in the union by any chance ? Now why would they be putting money in what they claim Scotland doesnt want a independence referendum ? Strange lol
Head start really ? Well see when the Yes movement can come out and ask what promises have the Better Together mob dleivered to Scotland i wouldn't be so damn cocky
Here is a few promises they broke
Steel works
Ship yards
13 type 26 frigates
HMRC jobs
The EU
all of them i have listed there The Better Togther camp said would be safe in the Uk which was alot of bullshit
I've already proved that the accounts logged with companies house prove that there is a debt of £500,000.
So if you are saying that's not the case, then you must be saying that Yes Scotland have submitted false accounts to companies house. Now that is quite a serious claim kinky. Are you sure that the accounts submitted showing the debt are false?
Right are you claim Yes Scotland are still going can you prove this ? If you think this is true get to your local cop shop and get them told on this news
I am telling you on the 19th Sept 2014 both sides ceased
And again the Yes movement is the grassroots YES campaign and i do not owe a damn penny nor does anyone else
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? Just curious to know seen as i dont live in England whats the news down there on this issue ?
Yes, I proved it with the link to companies house. Did you follow the link?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Here it is again for you!
Right if you think that get to your local cop shop then
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? Just curious to know seen as i dont live in England whats the news down there on this issue ?
I have never said that they have done anything illegal, I'm just pointing out that they are gonna be way behind, as they will have to raise half a mil before they can spend a penny, just to pay off debts. You however said that the accounts logged with companies house were false, and that no debts are owed. So which is it? Are the accounts true or false?
I think even you can see the silliness in asking if a news story was in the news, as by definition, it would have to be.
I'll take your silence as a retraction of your earlier statements on the issue, and as agreement that they owe half a million.
What ? No i retract fuck all
i stand by my statement Yes Scotland ceased on the 19th Sept 2014
Also what are you not getting about the Yes movement is the wider grassroots campaign and it dont owe a fucking penny
So i retract fuck all clear yet ? lol "Well it is demonstrably false that Yes Scotland ceased on 19th Sept 2014, as they are still filing accounts with companies house. You have been provided a direct link to the government website confirming this fact. Twice. It is also demonstrably false that Yes Scotland doesn't owe any money. It owes £500,000. That can clearly be seen in their accounts. Unless, you are claiming that Yes Scotland has provided false accounts to the government, and have falsly publicly stated that they owe £500,000. So to be clear, do Yes Scotland owe £500,000, or have the submitted false accounts? It must be one of those two options. | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right?
No we dont agree
The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue
please do get it right
So why do their accounts at companies house show a debt of £496,525? Are you suggesting that this accounts are incorrect?
YES Scotland ceased operations on 19th September 2014
Just as Better Together did on the same day
So why are they still filing accounts?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Ok are you saying Yes Scotland kept going after the 19th Sept 2014 ?
Oh and since you are going on about money any news into the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? lol
just curious lol
I have given you a link proving they are still going, and proving they have half a million pound of debt.
Do you suspect Yes Scotland of wrong doing ? Get onto the coppers then
But to anyone else they will see both campaigns in Scotland ceased on the 19th Sept 2014
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England?
I didn't say they broke the law, I said that Yes Scotland owe half a million pounds. So in any future campaign, they would have to raise half a mil before they could spend a penny, the other side however have money in the bank and are ready to go. I bet that head start will come in handy
Its funny though, because I had thought that Yes Scotland had originally said they wouldn't take any money from the SNP, but ended up taking over £700,000. In fact Ive heard they got the nickname YeSNP
Again i part of the YES movement grassroots YES campaign and we dont owe a penny
Ah right is that the rich donors from Scotland in the union by any chance ? Now why would they be putting money in what they claim Scotland doesnt want a independence referendum ? Strange lol
Head start really ? Well see when the Yes movement can come out and ask what promises have the Better Together mob dleivered to Scotland i wouldn't be so damn cocky
Here is a few promises they broke
Steel works
Ship yards
13 type 26 frigates
HMRC jobs
The EU
all of them i have listed there The Better Togther camp said would be safe in the Uk which was alot of bullshit
I've already proved that the accounts logged with companies house prove that there is a debt of £500,000.
So if you are saying that's not the case, then you must be saying that Yes Scotland have submitted false accounts to companies house. Now that is quite a serious claim kinky. Are you sure that the accounts submitted showing the debt are false?
Right are you claim Yes Scotland are still going can you prove this ? If you think this is true get to your local cop shop and get them told on this news
I am telling you on the 19th Sept 2014 both sides ceased
And again the Yes movement is the grassroots YES campaign and i do not owe a damn penny nor does anyone else
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? Just curious to know seen as i dont live in England whats the news down there on this issue ?
Yes, I proved it with the link to companies house. Did you follow the link?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Here it is again for you!
Right if you think that get to your local cop shop then
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? Just curious to know seen as i dont live in England whats the news down there on this issue ?
I have never said that they have done anything illegal, I'm just pointing out that they are gonna be way behind, as they will have to raise half a mil before they can spend a penny, just to pay off debts. You however said that the accounts logged with companies house were false, and that no debts are owed. So which is it? Are the accounts true or false?
I think even you can see the silliness in asking if a news story was in the news, as by definition, it would have to be.
I'll take your silence as a retraction of your earlier statements on the issue, and as agreement that they owe half a million.
What ? No i retract fuck all
i stand by my statement Yes Scotland ceased on the 19th Sept 2014
Also what are you not getting about the Yes movement is the wider grassroots campaign and it dont owe a fucking penny
So i retract fuck all clear yet ? lol
Well it is demonstrably false that Yes Scotland ceased on 19th Sept 2014, as they are still filing accounts with companies house. You have been provided a direct link to the government website confirming this fact. Twice.
It is also demonstrably false that Yes Scotland doesn't owe any money. It owes £500,000. That can clearly be seen in their accounts. Unless, you are claiming that Yes Scotland has provided false accounts to the government, and have falsly publicly stated that they owe £500,000.
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! In your opinion, you forgot to put that Did you forget the people that a re pro indy are the YES movement There is no way in hell you can know for sure that a a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland Nor do i but hey i am willing to at least put the question to the people to decide are you ? It's my opinion that the campaign owes half a million pounds is it?
In your opinion ''Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland ''
You dont know that thought correct ?
Oh that bit, but we agree that Yes Scotland are in £500,000.00 of debt, right?
No we dont agree
The "YES campaign" did no such thing. YES Scotland ceased operaions on 19th September 2014, but the YES campaign - as in the grassroots YES campaign, and the totally independent YES Shops, continue
please do get it right
So why do their accounts at companies house show a debt of £496,525? Are you suggesting that this accounts are incorrect?
YES Scotland ceased operations on 19th September 2014
Just as Better Together did on the same day
So why are they still filing accounts?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Ok are you saying Yes Scotland kept going after the 19th Sept 2014 ?
Oh and since you are going on about money any news into the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? lol
just curious lol
I have given you a link proving they are still going, and proving they have half a million pound of debt.
Do you suspect Yes Scotland of wrong doing ? Get onto the coppers then
But to anyone else they will see both campaigns in Scotland ceased on the 19th Sept 2014
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England?
I didn't say they broke the law, I said that Yes Scotland owe half a million pounds. So in any future campaign, they would have to raise half a mil before they could spend a penny, the other side however have money in the bank and are ready to go. I bet that head start will come in handy
Its funny though, because I had thought that Yes Scotland had originally said they wouldn't take any money from the SNP, but ended up taking over £700,000. In fact Ive heard they got the nickname YeSNP
Again i part of the YES movement grassroots YES campaign and we dont owe a penny
Ah right is that the rich donors from Scotland in the union by any chance ? Now why would they be putting money in what they claim Scotland doesnt want a independence referendum ? Strange lol
Head start really ? Well see when the Yes movement can come out and ask what promises have the Better Together mob dleivered to Scotland i wouldn't be so damn cocky
Here is a few promises they broke
Steel works
Ship yards
13 type 26 frigates
HMRC jobs
The EU
all of them i have listed there The Better Togther camp said would be safe in the Uk which was alot of bullshit
I've already proved that the accounts logged with companies house prove that there is a debt of £500,000.
So if you are saying that's not the case, then you must be saying that Yes Scotland have submitted false accounts to companies house. Now that is quite a serious claim kinky. Are you sure that the accounts submitted showing the debt are false?
Right are you claim Yes Scotland are still going can you prove this ? If you think this is true get to your local cop shop and get them told on this news
I am telling you on the 19th Sept 2014 both sides ceased
And again the Yes movement is the grassroots YES campaign and i do not owe a damn penny nor does anyone else
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? Just curious to know seen as i dont live in England whats the news down there on this issue ?
Yes, I proved it with the link to companies house. Did you follow the link?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC422720
Here it is again for you!
Right if you think that get to your local cop shop then
So is there any news on the Channel 4 revelations of Tory illegal spending on key seats in England? Just curious to know seen as i dont live in England whats the news down there on this issue ?
I have never said that they have done anything illegal, I'm just pointing out that they are gonna be way behind, as they will have to raise half a mil before they can spend a penny, just to pay off debts. You however said that the accounts logged with companies house were false, and that no debts are owed. So which is it? Are the accounts true or false?
I think even you can see the silliness in asking if a news story was in the news, as by definition, it would have to be.
I'll take your silence as a retraction of your earlier statements on the issue, and as agreement that they owe half a million.
What ? No i retract fuck all
i stand by my statement Yes Scotland ceased on the 19th Sept 2014
Also what are you not getting about the Yes movement is the wider grassroots campaign and it dont owe a fucking penny
So i retract fuck all clear yet ? lol
Well it is demonstrably false that Yes Scotland ceased on 19th Sept 2014, as they are still filing accounts with companies house. You have been provided a direct link to the government website confirming this fact. Twice.
It is also demonstrably false that Yes Scotland doesn't owe any money. It owes £500,000. That can clearly be seen in their accounts. Unless, you are claiming that Yes Scotland has provided false accounts to the government, and have falsly publicly stated that they owe £500,000.
So to be clear, do Yes Scotland owe £500,000, or have the submitted false accounts? It must be one of those two options.
Listen do you believe YES Scotland is still actively campaigning ? Where is it you believe this going on ?
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"Jesus christ And can you not see the YES movement is the wider grassroots YES campagin ? We do not owe a penny who is gonna stop us from campagin ? I would love see that eh ? Lol What next English and Welsh police getting send up to beat the shit out of Scottish pro indy supporters ? Lol Anyway again if i were the no side i wouldnt be so damn cocky like i said we will expose the lies and promises that have been broken As ship yards Steel works The EU HMRC jobs 13 type 26 frigates Were so called safe in the UK Well we know the EU is not safe Ship yards the SNP had to find a buyer Steel works again the SNP had to find a buyer Didnt see any unionist say well done to the SNP for saving both as that cannot be done cant go praising the SNP now can we ? " Never ever get a straight answer from you....you duck and dive and avoid the questions....YesScotland had there chance they blew it | |||
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"Jesus christ And can you not see the YES movement is the wider grassroots YES campagin ? We do not owe a penny who is gonna stop us from campagin ? I would love see that eh ? Lol What next English and Welsh police getting send up to beat the shit out of Scottish pro indy supporters ? Lol Anyway again if i were the no side i wouldnt be so damn cocky like i said we will expose the lies and promises that have been broken As ship yards Steel works The EU HMRC jobs 13 type 26 frigates Were so called safe in the UK Well we know the EU is not safe Ship yards the SNP had to find a buyer Steel works again the SNP had to find a buyer Didnt see any unionist say well done to the SNP for saving both as that cannot be done cant go praising the SNP now can we ? " Are you also going to tell them, as part of your indy campaign, that the economic impact assessments for independence predict Scotland will be worse off by £40+ billion a year and average wages will reduce by £6,000 per year? | |||
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"Jesus christ And can you not see the YES movement is the wider grassroots YES campagin ? We do not owe a penny who is gonna stop us from campagin ? I would love see that eh ? Lol What next English and Welsh police getting send up to beat the shit out of Scottish pro indy supporters ? Lol Anyway again if i were the no side i wouldnt be so damn cocky like i said we will expose the lies and promises that have been broken As ship yards Steel works The EU HMRC jobs 13 type 26 frigates Were so called safe in the UK Well we know the EU is not safe Ship yards the SNP had to find a buyer Steel works again the SNP had to find a buyer Didnt see any unionist say well done to the SNP for saving both as that cannot be done cant go praising the SNP now can we ? Are you also going to tell them, as part of your indy campaign, that the economic impact assessments for independence predict Scotland will be worse off by £40+ billion a year and average wages will reduce by £6,000 per year?" 1 is it a crime to want independence for the country you are born and live in now ? Btw thats Scotland 2 go get my the impact papers that show me that say Scotland will be even worse of of the UK and the EU The link you send is from 2013 can you not get an update one say one from 2018 ? Oh wait there is none lol So any solutions yet ? You never actually said any You said to stand together and fight against a hard brexit Which is not what i asked you. I asked that if a hard brexit DOES happen and the UK government wont back down on the what is it you want Scotland to actually do so it wont face 12 billion a year being worse off ? Its telling you cant think of nothing and yeah you may you dont wanna see Scotland face being 12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit but your willing to accept it and you dont even live in Scotland so why should you worry the 12 billion wont affect you right ? | |||
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"But kinky, you want Scotland to stay in/join the EU. That will involve the pooling of sovereignty which means that decisions affecting Scotland, will be taken outside of Scotland. " Really your gonna go there ? News flash an independent Scotland would get more of a say as member state in the EU than it does in the so called family of nations in the wee rUK And Scotland would have a veto. Does Scotland have a veto right now ? No no UK government think they can speak on Scotlands behalf yet Scotland didnt vote for the Tories | |||
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"But kinky, you want Scotland to stay in/join the EU. That will involve the pooling of sovereignty which means that decisions affecting Scotland, will be taken outside of Scotland. Really your gonna go there ? News flash an independent Scotland would get more of a say as member state in the EU than it does in the so called family of nations in the wee rUK And Scotland would have a veto. Does Scotland have a veto right now ? No no UK government think they can speak on Scotlands behalf yet Scotland didnt vote for the Tories " Well Scotland did vote tory and sent tory MPs to Westminster, so you can stop LYING. Scotland would have a say and a veto in some areas, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the EU is based on pooled sovereignty. | |||
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"But kinky, you want Scotland to stay in/join the EU. That will involve the pooling of sovereignty which means that decisions affecting Scotland, will be taken outside of Scotland. Really your gonna go there ? News flash an independent Scotland would get more of a say as member state in the EU than it does in the so called family of nations in the wee rUK And Scotland would have a veto. Does Scotland have a veto right now ? No no UK government think they can speak on Scotlands behalf yet Scotland didnt vote for the Tories Well Scotland did vote tory and sent tory MPs to Westminster, so you can stop LYING. Scotland would have a say and a veto in some areas, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the EU is based on pooled sovereignty. " No Scotland didnt vote for a Tory government Scotland voted 13 Tory branch mps but Scotland send a majority of SNP mps to Westminster Oh i think you left something out with the UK as member state as it stands does Scotland have a veto right now ? Oh btw is it upto you if Scotland choices to become independent ? | |||
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"But kinky, you want Scotland to stay in/join the EU. That will involve the pooling of sovereignty which means that decisions affecting Scotland, will be taken outside of Scotland. Really your gonna go there ? News flash an independent Scotland would get more of a say as member state in the EU than it does in the so called family of nations in the wee rUK And Scotland would have a veto. Does Scotland have a veto right now ? No no UK government think they can speak on Scotlands behalf yet Scotland didnt vote for the Tories Well Scotland did vote tory and sent tory MPs to Westminster, so you can stop LYING. Scotland would have a say and a veto in some areas, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the EU is based on pooled sovereignty. No Scotland didnt vote for a Tory government Scotland voted 13 Tory branch mps but Scotland send a majority of SNP mps to Westminster Oh i think you left something out with the UK as member state as it stands does Scotland have a veto right now ? Oh btw is it upto you if Scotland choices to become independent ?" Scotland voted in a general election, and voted for Tories that got elected as part of the largest party and that party then became the government. So stop LYING! As it stands Scotland doesn't have a veto, England doesn't have a veto, Wales doesn't have a veto, NI doesn't have a veto. The UK has a veto in some areas. Only the elected folks in Westminister get to decide if Scotland can be independent as you very well know. Kinky, do you believe in the principle that pooling sovereignty is for the greater good and their are positives for doing so, or do you think autonomy and retaining sovereignty must trump all other considerations? | |||
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"But kinky, you want Scotland to stay in/join the EU. That will involve the pooling of sovereignty which means that decisions affecting Scotland, will be taken outside of Scotland. Really your gonna go there ? News flash an independent Scotland would get more of a say as member state in the EU than it does in the so called family of nations in the wee rUK And Scotland would have a veto. Does Scotland have a veto right now ? No no UK government think they can speak on Scotlands behalf yet Scotland didnt vote for the Tories Well Scotland did vote tory and sent tory MPs to Westminster, so you can stop LYING. Scotland would have a say and a veto in some areas, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the EU is based on pooled sovereignty. No Scotland didnt vote for a Tory government Scotland voted 13 Tory branch mps but Scotland send a majority of SNP mps to Westminster Oh i think you left something out with the UK as member state as it stands does Scotland have a veto right now ? Oh btw is it upto you if Scotland choices to become independent ? Scotland voted in a general election, and voted for Tories that got elected as part of the largest party and that party then became the government. So stop LYING! As it stands Scotland doesn't have a veto, England doesn't have a veto, Wales doesn't have a veto, NI doesn't have a veto. The UK has a veto in some areas. Only the elected folks in Westminister get to decide if Scotland can be independent as you very well know. Kinky, do you believe in the principle that pooling sovereignty is for the greater good and their are positives for doing so, or do you think autonomy and retaining sovereignty must trump all other considerations? " I am not lying The SNP have the majority of Scottish seats in Wesminster correct ? So Scotland didnt vote for a scumbag Tory government thats something i can be proud to say Thank you so now you see that an independent Scotland in the EU will have a veto Fuck sake again yes i know the UK government have power to accept or refuse a section 30 order but it would be unwise for your PM to go againsts the wishes of the people of Scotland so tell her to block it plays right into our hands lol Fucking hell I believe every country should be independent and look after their own affairs and the right to self govern and have full control over everything I believe any money raised in Scotland should stay in Scotland and not be sent anywhere near that shit hole called Westminster I also believe any money raised in England should stay in England I will even go further i believe England should have there own devolved parliament Also with Westminster give Scotland Wales their own devolved parliament the dumb fucks in Westminster breached their own act of the union you know the treaty that England forced Scotland to sign telling Scottish nobles they would invade Scotlands lands Oh didnt know about that 300 of pish Rule Britanna no surrender Westminster seem to think the british empire is still alive and thats fuck all to be proud of | |||
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"Imagine; UK Leaves EU (which will happen) Scotland then has another referendum & wins independence Scotland then applies to Join EU and gets in Then Englanders would be mighty pissed off big style and deep in shit. "But that makes no sense, you either agree that pooling sovereignty is good, or you don't. | |||
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"Imagine; UK Leaves EU (which will happen) Scotland then has another referendum & wins independence Scotland then applies to Join EU and gets in Then Englanders would be mighty pissed off big style and deep in shit.
But that makes no sense, you either agree that pooling sovereignty is good, or you don't. "Aye makes no sense to you as you know Westminster need Scotlands money Little England out on its own with Trump as a friend in need lol | |||
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"Imagine; UK Leaves EU (which will happen) Scotland then has another referendum & wins independence Scotland then applies to Join EU and gets in Then Englanders would be mighty pissed off big style and deep in shit.
But that makes no sense, you either agree that pooling sovereignty is good, or you don't.
Aye makes no sense to you as you know Westminster need Scotlands money
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"Imagine; UK Leaves EU (which will happen) Scotland then has another referendum & wins independence Scotland then applies to Join EU and gets in Then Englanders would be mighty pissed off big style and deep in shit.
But that makes no sense, you either agree that pooling sovereignty is good, or you don't.
Aye makes no sense to you as you know Westminster need Scotlands money
Little England out on its own with Trump as a friend in need lol
No, the UK is a union, just like the EU. If you don't believe that working together and pooling sovereignty is a good idea, than you can't believe in either. "Ah right so now the Uk is a union you said at one point it was not a union lol I dont believe in the shit hole that is called Westminster you said it yourself its not a equal union rUK correct ? Where as the EU is a far more equal union that all independent countries have a veto where as the UK Scotland Wales and N.I devolved parliaments have no say The UK government which England voted for told Scotland , Wales and NI we get no say in EU talks even those the bastards ( the Tories ) said before triggering article 50 they wont trigger it until there is a UK wide agreement Scotland , Wales and NI never gave contest to trigger article 50 | |||
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"Imagine; UK Leaves EU (which will happen) Scotland then has another referendum & wins independence Scotland then applies to Join EU and gets in Then Englanders would be mighty pissed off big style and deep in shit.
But that makes no sense, you either agree that pooling sovereignty is good, or you don't.
Aye makes no sense to you as you know Westminster need Scotlands money
Little England out on its own with Trump as a friend in need lol
No, the UK is a union, just like the EU. If you don't believe that working together and pooling sovereignty is a good idea, than you can't believe in either.
Ah right so now the Uk is a union you said at one point it was not a union lol
I dont believe in the shit hole that is called Westminster
you said it yourself its not a equal union rUK correct ?
Where as the EU is a far more equal union that all independent countries have a veto where as the UK Scotland Wales and N.I devolved parliaments have no say
The UK government which England voted for told Scotland , Wales and NI we get no say in EU talks even those the bastards ( the Tories ) said before triggering article 50 they wont trigger it until there is a UK wide agreement
Scotland , Wales and NI never gave contest to trigger article 50"Wrong again, it wasn't just Westminster who said the devolved Parliaments don't get a say on Brexit, it was also the UK Supreme court (which is completely separate to Westminster) that ruled the devolved Parliaments don't get a say on Brexit during the Gina Miller case. We already know you have no respect for democracy but what I'd like to know now is, do you respect the rule of law and do you accept the UK Supreme court ruling? | |||
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"Imagine; UK Leaves EU (which will happen) Scotland then has another referendum & wins independence Scotland then applies to Join EU and gets in Then Englanders would be mighty pissed off big style and deep in shit.
But that makes no sense, you either agree that pooling sovereignty is good, or you don't.
Aye makes no sense to you as you know Westminster need Scotlands money
Little England out on its own with Trump as a friend in need lol
No, the UK is a union, just like the EU. If you don't believe that working together and pooling sovereignty is a good idea, than you can't believe in either.
Ah right so now the Uk is a union you said at one point it was not a union lol
I dont believe in the shit hole that is called Westminster
you said it yourself its not a equal union rUK correct ?
Where as the EU is a far more equal union that all independent countries have a veto where as the UK Scotland Wales and N.I devolved parliaments have no say
The UK government which England voted for told Scotland , Wales and NI we get no say in EU talks even those the bastards ( the Tories ) said before triggering article 50 they wont trigger it until there is a UK wide agreement
Scotland , Wales and NI never gave contest to trigger article 50"Again with the LIES! Kinky, you know what I call people who tell LIES, I call them LIARS. England Scotland Wales and NI all send MEPs to the European Parliament where they represent the views of their constituents. The UK is not an equal union, the United states is not an equal union, the European Union is not an equal union. That's because their populations are not of equal size. Member states of the EU only have veto powers when it comes big things like treaty changes, accepting new members etc. The vast majority of things, there is no right to veto. Scotland will not be equal in the EU. But all of that is irrelevant. You said that you believe all countries should be fully sovereign, and have control of all their money. That means no EU membership. You yourself have been bleating on for 3 threads about how leaving the European Union is going to cost £12bn at least! | |||
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"Centaur there is fuck all stopping the UK government bringing in the devolved parliaments to the EU talks correct ? Where is the transparency? Also Centaur did the UK government ie the Tories say they wont trigger Article 50 until there is a UK wide agreement ? Now Scotland and Wales governments never ever give consent to trigger it you know this for a fact So there was no UK wide agreement if you want people to believe this is a family of nations your week fucked up UK then might wanna actually so its an equal partnership rather than a UK dictatorship You must love the British emipre eh no surrender and rule Britannia lol load of shite!!! " You appear to be dodging the question I asked.....Do you accept the rule of law and do you accept the UK Supreme court ruling which said the devolved Parliaments don't get a say on Brexit. | |||
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"Centaur there is fuck all stopping the UK government bringing in the devolved parliaments to the EU talks correct ? Where is the transparency? Also Centaur did the UK government ie the Tories say they wont trigger Article 50 until there is a UK wide agreement ? Now Scotland and Wales governments never ever give consent to trigger it you know this for a fact So there was no UK wide agreement if you want people to believe this is a family of nations your week fucked up UK then might wanna actually so its an equal partnership rather than a UK dictatorship You must love the British emipre eh no surrender and rule Britannia lol load of shite!!! You appear to be dodging the question I asked.....Do you accept the rule of law and do you accept the UK Supreme court ruling which said the devolved Parliaments don't get a say on Brexit. " Ok i will answer by saying while the Supreme court said that there is nothing stopping the UK government bringing the devolved parliaments into the EU talks correct ? Where is the transparency got something to hide ? Centaur did the UK government ie the Tories say they wont trigger Article 50 until there is a UK wide agreement ? | |||
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"Centaur there is fuck all stopping the UK government bringing in the devolved parliaments to the EU talks correct ? Where is the transparency? Also Centaur did the UK government ie the Tories say they wont trigger Article 50 until there is a UK wide agreement ? Now Scotland and Wales governments never ever give consent to trigger it you know this for a fact So there was no UK wide agreement if you want people to believe this is a family of nations your week fucked up UK then might wanna actually so its an equal partnership rather than a UK dictatorship You must love the British emipre eh no surrender and rule Britannia lol load of shite!!! You appear to be dodging the question I asked.....Do you accept the rule of law and do you accept the UK Supreme court ruling which said the devolved Parliaments don't get a say on Brexit. Ok i will answer by saying while the Supreme court said that there is nothing stopping the UK government bringing the devolved parliaments into the EU talks correct ? Where is the transparency got something to hide ? Centaur did the UK government ie the Tories say they wont trigger Article 50 until there is a UK wide agreement ?" There was UK wide agreement for article 50 in the House of Commons where all parts of the UK are represented by their MP's. There was a vote on article 50 in the House of Commons and Parliament (MP's from all parts of the uk) voted in favour of triggering it. The UK Supreme court also ruled that Westminster and Westminster alone must make decisions on Brexit as a point of law because it was Westminster and Westminster alone that took us into the EU in the first place. | |||
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"Ok lets see if we can get to the heart of this So CLCC why in your opinion is the UK not an equal union ? Which btw i do agree with you on that Because of population size. Why should 5 million people have as much say as 50 million? " Wow so CLCC what your saying is you do not want Scotland having a say in the UK ? Let throw that right back at you ok Why should 55 million in England dictate terms to Scotland's 5 million eh ? So in all if you have a problem why is it you then want to keep Scotland in the UK then ? As by your comment your clearly dont like it and dont think its fair | |||
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"Ok lets see if we can get to the heart of this So CLCC why in your opinion is the UK not an equal union ? Which btw i do agree with you on that Because of population size. Why should 5 million people have as much say as 50 million? Wow so CLCC what your saying is you do not want Scotland having a say in the UK ? Let throw that right back at you ok Why should 55 million in England dictate terms to Scotland's 5 million eh ? So in all if you have a problem why is it you then want to keep Scotland in the UK then ? As by your comment your clearly dont like it and dont think its fair" No, I'm saying that we have a system which is based on having a representative based on the size of population. I never said anything like what you just said. | |||
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"Centaur there is fuck all stopping the UK government bringing in the devolved parliaments to the EU talks correct ? Where is the transparency? Also Centaur did the UK government ie the Tories say they wont trigger Article 50 until there is a UK wide agreement ? Now Scotland and Wales governments never ever give consent to trigger it you know this for a fact So there was no UK wide agreement if you want people to believe this is a family of nations your week fucked up UK then might wanna actually so its an equal partnership rather than a UK dictatorship You must love the British emipre eh no surrender and rule Britannia lol load of shite!!! You appear to be dodging the question I asked.....Do you accept the rule of law and do you accept the UK Supreme court ruling which said the devolved Parliaments don't get a say on Brexit. Ok i will answer by saying while the Supreme court said that there is nothing stopping the UK government bringing the devolved parliaments into the EU talks correct ? Where is the transparency got something to hide ? Centaur did the UK government ie the Tories say they wont trigger Article 50 until there is a UK wide agreement ? There was UK wide agreement for article 50 in the House of Commons where all parts of the UK are represented by their MP's. There was a vote on article 50 in the House of Commons and Parliament (MP's from all parts of the uk) voted in favour of triggering it. The UK Supreme court also ruled that Westminster and Westminster alone must make decisions on Brexit as a point of law because it was Westminster and Westminster alone that took us into the EU in the first place. " As CLCC says liar Scotland mps didnt not agree to a wide UK agreement and you know it And you also know that the UK government can but refuse to being in the devolved parilaments Something to hide eh where the fuck is the transparency? I call it as i see it your UK Tory scumbag government are afraid to let the devolved parilaments see what they are doing as with the Tories its party before the people | |||
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"Ok lets see if we can get to the heart of this So CLCC why in your opinion is the UK not an equal union ? Which btw i do agree with you on that Because of population size. Why should 5 million people have as much say as 50 million? Wow so CLCC what your saying is you do not want Scotland having a say in the UK ? Let throw that right back at you ok Why should 55 million in England dictate terms to Scotland's 5 million eh ? So in all if you have a problem why is it you then want to keep Scotland in the UK then ? As by your comment your clearly dont like it and dont think its fair No, I'm saying that we have a system which is based on having a representative based on the size of population. I never said anything like what you just said. " And i quote '' Why should 5 million people have as much say as 50 million?'' So CLCC just to be clear what do you mean by that then ? As it looks like your saying why should Scotland's 5 million citizens who pay tax have as much say its England 55 million So you dont think the system is fair then correct ? Then why do you want to keep Scotland in the UK ? | |||
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"Centaur there is fuck all stopping the UK government bringing in the devolved parliaments to the EU talks correct ? Where is the transparency? Also Centaur did the UK government ie the Tories say they wont trigger Article 50 until there is a UK wide agreement ? Now Scotland and Wales governments never ever give consent to trigger it you know this for a fact So there was no UK wide agreement if you want people to believe this is a family of nations your week fucked up UK then might wanna actually so its an equal partnership rather than a UK dictatorship You must love the British emipre eh no surrender and rule Britannia lol load of shite!!! You appear to be dodging the question I asked.....Do you accept the rule of law and do you accept the UK Supreme court ruling which said the devolved Parliaments don't get a say on Brexit. Ok i will answer by saying while the Supreme court said that there is nothing stopping the UK government bringing the devolved parliaments into the EU talks correct ? Where is the transparency got something to hide ? Centaur did the UK government ie the Tories say they wont trigger Article 50 until there is a UK wide agreement ? There was UK wide agreement for article 50 in the House of Commons where all parts of the UK are represented by their MP's. There was a vote on article 50 in the House of Commons and Parliament (MP's from all parts of the uk) voted in favour of triggering it. The UK Supreme court also ruled that Westminster and Westminster alone must make decisions on Brexit as a point of law because it was Westminster and Westminster alone that took us into the EU in the first place. As CLCC says liar Scotland mps didnt not agree to a wide UK agreement and you know it And you also know that the UK government can but refuse to being in the devolved parilaments Something to hide eh where the fuck is the transparency? I call it as i see it your UK Tory scumbag government are afraid to let the devolved parilaments see what they are doing as with the Tories its party before the people " Parliament voted to trigger article 50, that is called democracy just the same as the House of Commons voted the EU Withdrawal bill through last night its called democracy and it's a beautiful thing
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"Centaur there is fuck all stopping the UK government bringing in the devolved parliaments to the EU talks correct ? Where is the transparency? Also Centaur did the UK government ie the Tories say they wont trigger Article 50 until there is a UK wide agreement ? Now Scotland and Wales governments never ever give consent to trigger it you know this for a fact So there was no UK wide agreement if you want people to believe this is a family of nations your week fucked up UK then might wanna actually so its an equal partnership rather than a UK dictatorship You must love the British emipre eh no surrender and rule Britannia lol load of shite!!! You appear to be dodging the question I asked.....Do you accept the rule of law and do you accept the UK Supreme court ruling which said the devolved Parliaments don't get a say on Brexit. Ok i will answer by saying while the Supreme court said that there is nothing stopping the UK government bringing the devolved parliaments into the EU talks correct ? Where is the transparency got something to hide ? Centaur did the UK government ie the Tories say they wont trigger Article 50 until there is a UK wide agreement ? There was UK wide agreement for article 50 in the House of Commons where all parts of the UK are represented by their MP's. There was a vote on article 50 in the House of Commons and Parliament (MP's from all parts of the uk) voted in favour of triggering it. The UK Supreme court also ruled that Westminster and Westminster alone must make decisions on Brexit as a point of law because it was Westminster and Westminster alone that took us into the EU in the first place. As CLCC says liar Scotland mps didnt not agree to a wide UK agreement and you know it And you also know that the UK government can but refuse to being in the devolved parilaments Something to hide eh where the fuck is the transparency? I call it as i see it your UK Tory scumbag government are afraid to let the devolved parilaments see what they are doing as with the Tories its party before the people Parliament voted to trigger article 50, that is called democracy just the same as the House of Commons voted the EU Withdrawal bill through last night its called democracy and it's a beautiful thing
As for your little conspiracy theory about Transparency then what was the UK Supreme courts motivations for ruling against the devolved Parliaments? Do you also think the UK Supreme court were trying to hide something? Judges are not allowed to let personal political beliefs sway their judgements and they made the rulings against the devolved Parliaments having a say on points of law.
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"As wee nippy sturgeon produced the 12 billion figure and kinky states it is irrefutable because it is produced by experts. The Scottish government set up a fiscal commission filling it with past " experts " they had relied on before. The commission produced a report saying the Scottish economy was doing very badly. Please bear in mind these were had picked people to give a positive outcome but they told the truth and that was not good enough. So dereck laffer curve Mackey gets his mate to say the findings were all wrong !!!!! So all is good in snp / kinky world after all. The big problem was the Scottish government has just produced there own figures to say the Scottish economy is only growing at 0.2 %. So back to the fiscal commission. If the Scottish government are rubbishing their work then all the work that did in the past must be shite as well according to dereck mackay. The only thing is that they were right about the growth or lack of it so the snp just do what they always do ignore or rubbish the figures. So do I completely agree with nippys figures ??? I think obviously there will be a down turn in the whole British economy but what would be the price if Scotland left the UK. we are still waiting on there figures from anyone !!!" Paranoid much ? The expects are not the SNP you do know this right ? So if true and Scotland face being 12 billion a year worse off whats your solution to make sure Scotland does not suffer that ? | |||
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"Ok lets see if we can get to the heart of this So CLCC why in your opinion is the UK not an equal union ? Which btw i do agree with you on that Because of population size. Why should 5 million people have as much say as 50 million? Wow so CLCC what your saying is you do not want Scotland having a say in the UK ? Let throw that right back at you ok Why should 55 million in England dictate terms to Scotland's 5 million eh ? So in all if you have a problem why is it you then want to keep Scotland in the UK then ? As by your comment your clearly dont like it and dont think its fair No, I'm saying that we have a system which is based on having a representative based on the size of population. I never said anything like what you just said. And i quote '' Why should 5 million people have as much say as 50 million?'' So CLCC just to be clear what do you mean by that then ? As it looks like your saying why should Scotland's 5 million citizens who pay tax have as much say its England 55 million So you dont think the system is fair then correct ? Then why do you want to keep Scotland in the UK ?" 5 million aren't equal to 50 million. That's not rocket science. Do you think that the 5.8m of East Anglia should have equal say as the rest of the population. I think the size of their voice should be equal to the size of their population. If you dont agree with that, I would love to hear your idea for the electoral system for an independent Scotland. | |||
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"Ok lets see if we can get to the heart of this So CLCC why in your opinion is the UK not an equal union ? Which btw i do agree with you on that Because of population size. Why should 5 million people have as much say as 50 million? Wow so CLCC what your saying is you do not want Scotland having a say in the UK ? Let throw that right back at you ok Why should 55 million in England dictate terms to Scotland's 5 million eh ? So in all if you have a problem why is it you then want to keep Scotland in the UK then ? As by your comment your clearly dont like it and dont think its fair No, I'm saying that we have a system which is based on having a representative based on the size of population. I never said anything like what you just said. And i quote '' Why should 5 million people have as much say as 50 million?'' So CLCC just to be clear what do you mean by that then ? As it looks like your saying why should Scotland's 5 million citizens who pay tax have as much say its England 55 million So you dont think the system is fair then correct ? Then why do you want to keep Scotland in the UK ? 5 million aren't equal to 50 million. That's not rocket science. Do you think that the 5.8m of East Anglia should have equal say as the rest of the population. I think the size of their voice should be equal to the size of their population. If you dont agree with that, I would love to hear your idea for the electoral system for an independent Scotland. " East Anglia is a region of the country England. Scotland is country too So its clear you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers having as much say as 55 million English tax payers in this UK union correct ? So you dont agree with the system as you think its unfair but you want Scotland to stay in the UK ? LOL | |||
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"As wee nippy sturgeon produced the 12 billion figure and kinky states it is irrefutable because it is produced by experts. The Scottish government set up a fiscal commission filling it with past " experts " they had relied on before. The commission produced a report saying the Scottish economy was doing very badly. Please bear in mind these were had picked people to give a positive outcome but they told the truth and that was not good enough. So dereck laffer curve Mackey gets his mate to say the findings were all wrong !!!!! So all is good in snp / kinky world after all. The big problem was the Scottish government has just produced there own figures to say the Scottish economy is only growing at 0.2 %. So back to the fiscal commission. If the Scottish government are rubbishing their work then all the work that did in the past must be shite as well according to dereck mackay. The only thing is that they were right about the growth or lack of it so the snp just do what they always do ignore or rubbish the figures. So do I completely agree with nippys figures ??? I think obviously there will be a down turn in the whole British economy but what would be the price if Scotland left the UK. we are still waiting on there figures from anyone !!! Paranoid much ? The expects are not the SNP you do know this right ? So if true and Scotland face being 12 billion a year worse off whats your solution to make sure Scotland does not suffer that ? " I fully understand there will be a lose to all parts of the UK economy but question the figures as the snp like what they like and lean on people to produce what the snp want and what fits their narrative. | |||
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"As wee nippy sturgeon produced the 12 billion figure and kinky states it is irrefutable because it is produced by experts. The Scottish government set up a fiscal commission filling it with past " experts " they had relied on before. The commission produced a report saying the Scottish economy was doing very badly. Please bear in mind these were had picked people to give a positive outcome but they told the truth and that was not good enough. So dereck laffer curve Mackey gets his mate to say the findings were all wrong !!!!! So all is good in snp / kinky world after all. The big problem was the Scottish government has just produced there own figures to say the Scottish economy is only growing at 0.2 %. So back to the fiscal commission. If the Scottish government are rubbishing their work then all the work that did in the past must be shite as well according to dereck mackay. The only thing is that they were right about the growth or lack of it so the snp just do what they always do ignore or rubbish the figures. So do I completely agree with nippys figures ??? I think obviously there will be a down turn in the whole British economy but what would be the price if Scotland left the UK. we are still waiting on there figures from anyone !!! Paranoid much ? The expects are not the SNP you do know this right ? So if true and Scotland face being 12 billion a year worse off whats your solution to make sure Scotland does not suffer that ? I fully understand there will be a lose to all parts of the UK economy but question the figures as the snp like what they like and lean on people to produce what the snp want and what fits their narrative. " NO solutions then is that what you are saying ? Is that the cost to stay in a hard brexit UK for unionists then ? Just accept that it do nothing about it | |||
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"As wee nippy sturgeon produced the 12 billion figure and kinky states it is irrefutable because it is produced by experts. The Scottish government set up a fiscal commission filling it with past " experts " they had relied on before. The commission produced a report saying the Scottish economy was doing very badly. Please bear in mind these were had picked people to give a positive outcome but they told the truth and that was not good enough. So dereck laffer curve Mackey gets his mate to say the findings were all wrong !!!!! So all is good in snp / kinky world after all. The big problem was the Scottish government has just produced there own figures to say the Scottish economy is only growing at 0.2 %. So back to the fiscal commission. If the Scottish government are rubbishing their work then all the work that did in the past must be shite as well according to dereck mackay. The only thing is that they were right about the growth or lack of it so the snp just do what they always do ignore or rubbish the figures. So do I completely agree with nippys figures ??? I think obviously there will be a down turn in the whole British economy but what would be the price if Scotland left the UK. we are still waiting on there figures from anyone !!!" But we do have an impact assessment for the cost to Scotland of breaking up the UK; here's the link:- https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf It concludes that Scotland would £40 billion worse of each year and average pay would be reduced by £6,000 a year. | |||
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"In an independent Scotland, would there be equal political power between islanders and those living on the mainland? " Oh no no no no no I think i asked you a question please do not answer with a question So CLCC are you saying dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers having as much say as 55 million English tax payers in this UK union correct ? So you dont agree with the system as you think its unfair but you want Scotland to stay in the UK ? | |||
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"As wee nippy sturgeon produced the 12 billion figure and kinky states it is irrefutable because it is produced by experts. The Scottish government set up a fiscal commission filling it with past " experts " they had relied on before. The commission produced a report saying the Scottish economy was doing very badly. Please bear in mind these were had picked people to give a positive outcome but they told the truth and that was not good enough. So dereck laffer curve Mackey gets his mate to say the findings were all wrong !!!!! So all is good in snp / kinky world after all. The big problem was the Scottish government has just produced there own figures to say the Scottish economy is only growing at 0.2 %. So back to the fiscal commission. If the Scottish government are rubbishing their work then all the work that did in the past must be shite as well according to dereck mackay. The only thing is that they were right about the growth or lack of it so the snp just do what they always do ignore or rubbish the figures. So do I completely agree with nippys figures ??? I think obviously there will be a down turn in the whole British economy but what would be the price if Scotland left the UK. we are still waiting on there figures from anyone !!! But we do have an impact assessment for the cost to Scotland of breaking up the UK; here's the link:- https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf It concludes that Scotland would £40 billion worse of each year and average pay would be reduced by £6,000 a year." Lol get an updated one from 2018 Then send it over ok anway thats your view i dont agree with that pish and will you agree its upto the people of Scotland living in Scotland to decide if they agree with you or not ? Its not for you to decide | |||
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"In an independent Scotland, would there be equal political power between islanders and those living on the mainland? Oh no no no no no I think i asked you a question please do not answer with a question So CLCC are you saying dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers having as much say as 55 million English tax payers in this UK union correct ? So you dont agree with the system as you think its unfair but you want Scotland to stay in the UK ? " The Scottish population is a small part of the UK population, they therefore have a smaller voice in the UK than the rest of the population. I haven't said that I am unhappy with the system. Yes I want Scotland to stay in the UK. Right, now that's sorted. Please answer my question relating to islanders vs mainlanders. | |||
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"As wee nippy sturgeon produced the 12 billion figure and kinky states it is irrefutable because it is produced by experts. The Scottish government set up a fiscal commission filling it with past " experts " they had relied on before. The commission produced a report saying the Scottish economy was doing very badly. Please bear in mind these were had picked people to give a positive outcome but they told the truth and that was not good enough. So dereck laffer curve Mackey gets his mate to say the findings were all wrong !!!!! So all is good in snp / kinky world after all. The big problem was the Scottish government has just produced there own figures to say the Scottish economy is only growing at 0.2 %. So back to the fiscal commission. If the Scottish government are rubbishing their work then all the work that did in the past must be shite as well according to dereck mackay. The only thing is that they were right about the growth or lack of it so the snp just do what they always do ignore or rubbish the figures. So do I completely agree with nippys figures ??? I think obviously there will be a down turn in the whole British economy but what would be the price if Scotland left the UK. we are still waiting on there figures from anyone !!! Paranoid much ? The expects are not the SNP you do know this right ? So if true and Scotland face being 12 billion a year worse off whats your solution to make sure Scotland does not suffer that ? I fully understand there will be a lose to all parts of the UK economy but question the figures as the snp like what they like and lean on people to produce what the snp want and what fits their narrative. NO solutions then is that what you are saying ? Is that the cost to stay in a hard brexit UK for unionists then ? Just accept that it do nothing about it " So you're saying again that Scotland, in order to try and avoid a £12 billion a year loss from BREXIT, should just accept a £40+ billion a year loss caused by the breakup of the UK. Maybe the Indy campaign could hire a Big Blue Bus with the slogan "Leaving the UK will cost Scotland £770 million a week. That's money we'll no longer be able to spend on the Scottish NHS or any other services" Just an idea | |||
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"there... started especially for kinky..... excellent. You also now own the thread. Meaning you can change tact whenever you want and we have to follow. "Kinky stated leaving EU would cost em £12bn. Other sources have said leaving UK would cost £24bn. (Pre brexit vote) So rounding it up to £40bn if they did both doesn’t seem far off. If they leave UK they are out of EU anyway even if UK actually stay in. | |||
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"In an independent Scotland, would there be equal political power between islanders and those living on the mainland? Oh no no no no no I think i asked you a question please do not answer with a question So CLCC are you saying dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers having as much say as 55 million English tax payers in this UK union correct ? So you dont agree with the system as you think its unfair but you want Scotland to stay in the UK ? The Scottish population is a small part of the UK population, they therefore have a smaller voice in the UK than the rest of the population. I haven't said that I am unhappy with the system. Yes I want Scotland to stay in the UK. Right, now that's sorted. Please answer my question relating to islanders vs mainlanders." CLCC So CLCC are you saying dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers having as much say as 55 million English tax payers in this UK union correct ? Or do you want Scotland's 5 million tax payers to have as much equal say with England 55 millon tax payers ? | |||
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"As wee nippy sturgeon produced the 12 billion figure and kinky states it is irrefutable because it is produced by experts. The Scottish government set up a fiscal commission filling it with past " experts " they had relied on before. The commission produced a report saying the Scottish economy was doing very badly. Please bear in mind these were had picked people to give a positive outcome but they told the truth and that was not good enough. So dereck laffer curve Mackey gets his mate to say the findings were all wrong !!!!! So all is good in snp / kinky world after all. The big problem was the Scottish government has just produced there own figures to say the Scottish economy is only growing at 0.2 %. So back to the fiscal commission. If the Scottish government are rubbishing their work then all the work that did in the past must be shite as well according to dereck mackay. The only thing is that they were right about the growth or lack of it so the snp just do what they always do ignore or rubbish the figures. So do I completely agree with nippys figures ??? I think obviously there will be a down turn in the whole British economy but what would be the price if Scotland left the UK. we are still waiting on there figures from anyone !!! Paranoid much ? The expects are not the SNP you do know this right ? So if true and Scotland face being 12 billion a year worse off whats your solution to make sure Scotland does not suffer that ? I fully understand there will be a lose to all parts of the UK economy but question the figures as the snp like what they like and lean on people to produce what the snp want and what fits their narrative. NO solutions then is that what you are saying ? Is that the cost to stay in a hard brexit UK for unionists then ? Just accept that it do nothing about it So you're saying again that Scotland, in order to try and avoid a £12 billion a year loss from BREXIT, should just accept a £40+ billion a year loss caused by the breakup of the UK. Maybe the Indy campaign could hire a Big Blue Bus with the slogan "Leaving the UK will cost Scotland £770 million a week. That's money we'll no longer be able to spend on the Scottish NHS or any other services" Just an idea "Ok you think an independent Scotland would mean £40 billion worse off right fair enough thats your opinion So is that not upto the people of Scotland to decide for themselves if they agree with you or not ? In the end its not your decide to make correct ? | |||
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" Why should 55 million in England dictate terms to Scotland's 5 million eh ? " A) you have a Parliament in holyrood which is voted for by Scots.. represented by Scots and making decisions for Scotland that effect Scotland B) are you saying that 5 million Scots should have the same number of mp’s are 60 million people living in England in a UK wide parliament | |||
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"I love this so many people outside of Scotland think they actually can decide for Scotland how we should run or if we ever choose to be became independent News flash people outside of Scotland do NOT get to decide Scotland's future Now i know you are saying awww Scotland will be 40 billion worse off and yeah ok some in Scotland may actually agree with you but again pointing this out you dont get to decide this People in Scotland will decide what our future will be" Ooops, so another question that you won't answer. You can't tell us how many RN ships are being built on the Clyde. You can't tell us if you would vote for independence knowing it would cost £40bn a year. You can't tell us how the islanders would have as equal a say as the mainlanders despite a massive disparity in population size. | |||
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" Why should 55 million in England dictate terms to Scotland's 5 million eh ? A) you have a Parliament in holyrood which is voted for by Scots.. represented by Scots and making decisions for Scotland that effect Scotland B) are you saying that 5 million Scots should have the same number of mp’s are 60 million people living in England in a UK wide parliament " A. You know damn well Scotland does not have full control over non devolved powers And the welfare powers you love to go on about you also know fine well its not full control over welfare B.You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ? Yeah some fucking UK union you have Btw anyone cared to look up the act of the union and its history of bullying ? Scottish people didnt willingly sign the treaty to the act of the union they were threated if they didnt then the English would indave Scottish Lands thats the your history on the act of the union | |||
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"I love this so many people outside of Scotland think they actually can decide for Scotland how we should run or if we ever choose to be became independent News flash people outside of Scotland do NOT get to decide Scotland's future Now i know you are saying awww Scotland will be 40 billion worse off and yeah ok some in Scotland may actually agree with you but again pointing this out you dont get to decide this People in Scotland will decide what our future will be" Why the fuck do you keep asking us then you aint interested in any opinion other than your own | |||
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"Then the other thing to point out that Westminster breached the act of the union when they gave Scotland and Wales its own devolved parilaments i thought the whole point in the act of the union was to unite the kingdom of Scotland and kingdom of England and have one parliament which would be Westminster so some dumb fuck breached the act of the union coming up with that i wonder who........ Tony war criminal Blair lol " So you want them dissolved? Great. | |||
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"I love this so many people outside of Scotland think they actually can decide for Scotland how we should run or if we ever choose to be became independent News flash people outside of Scotland do NOT get to decide Scotland's future Now i know you are saying awww Scotland will be 40 billion worse off and yeah ok some in Scotland may actually agree with you but again pointing this out you dont get to decide this People in Scotland will decide what our future will be Ooops, so another question that you won't answer. You can't tell us how many RN ships are being built on the Clyde. You can't tell us if you would vote for independence knowing it would cost £40bn a year. You can't tell us how the islanders would have as equal a say as the mainlanders despite a massive disparity in population size." Still no answers....  | |||
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" B.You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ? Yeah some fucking UK union you have " You do know that the number of mp’s is based roughly proportional representation so that ALL people get roughly the same say ..... Please tell me you knew that...... | |||
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" B.You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ? Yeah some fucking UK union you have You do know that the number of mp’s is based roughly proportional representation so that ALL people get roughly the same say ..... Please tell me you knew that...... "You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ? | |||
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"As wee nippy sturgeon produced the 12 billion figure and kinky states it is irrefutable because it is produced by experts. The Scottish government set up a fiscal commission filling it with past " experts " they had relied on before. The commission produced a report saying the Scottish economy was doing very badly. Please bear in mind these were had picked people to give a positive outcome but they told the truth and that was not good enough. So dereck laffer curve Mackey gets his mate to say the findings were all wrong !!!!! So all is good in snp / kinky world after all. The big problem was the Scottish government has just produced there own figures to say the Scottish economy is only growing at 0.2 %. So back to the fiscal commission. If the Scottish government are rubbishing their work then all the work that did in the past must be shite as well according to dereck mackay. The only thing is that they were right about the growth or lack of it so the snp just do what they always do ignore or rubbish the figures. So do I completely agree with nippys figures ??? I think obviously there will be a down turn in the whole British economy but what would be the price if Scotland left the UK. we are still waiting on there figures from anyone !!! Paranoid much ? The expects are not the SNP you do know this right ? So if true and Scotland face being 12 billion a year worse off whats your solution to make sure Scotland does not suffer that ? I fully understand there will be a lose to all parts of the UK economy but question the figures as the snp like what they like and lean on people to produce what the snp want and what fits their narrative. NO solutions then is that what you are saying ? Is that the cost to stay in a hard brexit UK for unionists then ? Just accept that it do nothing about it " Not being a Unionist I don't accept anything. I am not sure what your solution is !!! The UK voted to leave so I'm certain in the future their will be a cost to pay. | |||
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" B.You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ? Yeah some fucking UK union you have You do know that the number of mp’s is based roughly proportional representation so that ALL people get roughly the same say ..... Please tell me you knew that......
You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ?
"The only way kinky would be happy is if the proportional part of parliment was scrapped and Scotland had 101 nor and the rest of the UK 100 Simple that's that sorted | |||
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"Kinky could you please tell me where I can find this allegation of the English parliament bullying, saying that they would invade Scottish lands. Thank you" Do you think Scotland willingly signed the act of the union yes or no ? AS the old Rabbie Burns said “bought and sold for English gold'' Also if i am right it was a poorly attended Scottish Parliament the MPs voted to agree the Union and on 16 January 1707 | |||
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" B.You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ? Yeah some fucking UK union you have You do know that the number of mp’s is based roughly proportional representation so that ALL people get roughly the same say ..... Please tell me you knew that......
You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ?
"Because there are a lot fewer people in scotland than in the rest of the UK. There are a lot more people who live in mainland Scotland than on the islands. If every person on the mainland voted SNP, and every person on the islands voted Tory, which party would form the government in the Scottish parliament as it is today. Not an independent Scotland, the parliament as it is today. Which party would dominate? Which party would pass the laws, pass the budget etc. | |||
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"As wee nippy sturgeon produced the 12 billion figure and kinky states it is irrefutable because it is produced by experts. The Scottish government set up a fiscal commission filling it with past " experts " they had relied on before. The commission produced a report saying the Scottish economy was doing very badly. Please bear in mind these were had picked people to give a positive outcome but they told the truth and that was not good enough. So dereck laffer curve Mackey gets his mate to say the findings were all wrong !!!!! So all is good in snp / kinky world after all. The big problem was the Scottish government has just produced there own figures to say the Scottish economy is only growing at 0.2 %. So back to the fiscal commission. If the Scottish government are rubbishing their work then all the work that did in the past must be shite as well according to dereck mackay. The only thing is that they were right about the growth or lack of it so the snp just do what they always do ignore or rubbish the figures. So do I completely agree with nippys figures ??? I think obviously there will be a down turn in the whole British economy but what would be the price if Scotland left the UK. we are still waiting on there figures from anyone !!! Paranoid much ? The expects are not the SNP you do know this right ? So if true and Scotland face being 12 billion a year worse off whats your solution to make sure Scotland does not suffer that ? I fully understand there will be a lose to all parts of the UK economy but question the figures as the snp like what they like and lean on people to produce what the snp want and what fits their narrative. NO solutions then is that what you are saying ? Is that the cost to stay in a hard brexit UK for unionists then ? Just accept that it do nothing about it Not being a Unionist I don't accept anything. I am not sure what your solution is !!! The UK voted to leave so I'm certain in the future their will be a cost to pay." So no solutions just accept Scotland being worse off and face damage to the Scottish economy ? | |||
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" B.You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ? Yeah some fucking UK union you have You do know that the number of mp’s is based roughly proportional representation so that ALL people get roughly the same say ..... Please tell me you knew that......
You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ?
The only way kinky would be happy is if the proportional part of parliment was scrapped and Scotland had 101 nor and the rest of the UK 100
Simple that's that sorted "Irony being is there is a place where Scotland gets 129 and the rest of the UK gets 0. But kinky never talks about it and always blames those people down south | |||
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"As wee nippy sturgeon produced the 12 billion figure and kinky states it is irrefutable because it is produced by experts. The Scottish government set up a fiscal commission filling it with past " experts " they had relied on before. The commission produced a report saying the Scottish economy was doing very badly. Please bear in mind these were had picked people to give a positive outcome but they told the truth and that was not good enough. So dereck laffer curve Mackey gets his mate to say the findings were all wrong !!!!! So all is good in snp / kinky world after all. The big problem was the Scottish government has just produced there own figures to say the Scottish economy is only growing at 0.2 %. So back to the fiscal commission. If the Scottish government are rubbishing their work then all the work that did in the past must be shite as well according to dereck mackay. The only thing is that they were right about the growth or lack of it so the snp just do what they always do ignore or rubbish the figures. So do I completely agree with nippys figures ??? I think obviously there will be a down turn in the whole British economy but what would be the price if Scotland left the UK. we are still waiting on there figures from anyone !!! Paranoid much ? The expects are not the SNP you do know this right ? So if true and Scotland face being 12 billion a year worse off whats your solution to make sure Scotland does not suffer that ? I fully understand there will be a lose to all parts of the UK economy but question the figures as the snp like what they like and lean on people to produce what the snp want and what fits their narrative. NO solutions then is that what you are saying ? Is that the cost to stay in a hard brexit UK for unionists then ? Just accept that it do nothing about it Not being a Unionist I don't accept anything. I am not sure what your solution is !!! The UK voted to leave so I'm certain in the future their will be a cost to pay. So no solutions just accept Scotland being worse off and face damage to the Scottish economy ? " And your solution ??? | |||
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"Seeing alot of true colours today You want the UK to stay together and you want Scotland to shut the hell up and get told what to say and do Lke i said why so you not want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as 55 million English tax payers ? Is Scottish tax payers not good enough for you then must be told know you masters ? " Because the parliment is proportional you fucking clown !!!!! It has been explained to you before !!!!! | |||
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"Seeing alot of true colours today You want the UK to stay together and you want Scotland to shut the hell up and get told what to say and do Lke i said why so you not want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as 55 million English tax payers ? Is Scottish tax payers not good enough for you then must be told know you masters ? " That is why England has no friends, its the most hated country in the World But masters, they are not, and very soon they will be learning how to beg | |||
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" B.You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ? Yeah some fucking UK union you have You do know that the number of mp’s is based roughly proportional representation so that ALL people get roughly the same say ..... Please tell me you knew that......
You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ?
The only way kinky would be happy is if the proportional part of parliment was scrapped and Scotland had 101 nor and the rest of the UK 100
Simple that's that sorted
Irony being is there is a place where Scotland gets 129 and the rest of the UK gets 0. But kinky never talks about it and always blames those people down south "Here is a clue for you Fabio if your moaning England doesnt have a parliament fight for one then lol Also oh wise Fabio is that not a breach of your great UK union giving Scotland a devolved parliament ? God the War criminal to thank for that | |||
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"Seeing alot of true colours today You want the UK to stay together and you want Scotland to shut the hell up and get told what to say and do Lke i said why so you not want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as 55 million English tax payers ? Is Scottish tax payers not good enough for you then must be told know you masters ? Because the parliment is proportional you fucking clown !!!!! It has been explained to you before !!!!!"  | |||
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"Seeing alot of true colours today You want the UK to stay together and you want Scotland to shut the hell up and get told what to say and do Lke i said why so you not want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as 55 million English tax payers ? Is Scottish tax payers not good enough for you then must be told know you masters ? Because the parliment is proportional you fucking clown !!!!! It has been explained to you before !!!!!" Claim down no need for abuse remember what site your on lol All your doing is proving this aint to fucking equal partnership or family of nations lmao | |||
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"Seeing alot of true colours today You want the UK to stay together and you want Scotland to shut the hell up and get told what to say and do Lke i said why so you not want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as 55 million English tax payers ? Is Scottish tax payers not good enough for you then must be told know you masters ? That is why England has no friends, its the most hated country in the World But masters, they are not, and very soon they will be learning how to beg "This quote was brought to you by the big book of we all want to be inclusive but really hate you behind closed doors. Published by snp supporters everywhere  | |||
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"Seeing alot of true colours today You want the UK to stay together and you want Scotland to shut the hell up and get told what to say and do Lke i said why so you not want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as 55 million English tax payers ? Is Scottish tax payers not good enough for you then must be told know you masters ? That is why England has no friends, its the most hated country in the World But masters, they are not, and very soon they will be learning how to beg "More non-English bullshit | |||
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"As wee nippy sturgeon produced the 12 billion figure and kinky states it is irrefutable because it is produced by experts. The Scottish government set up a fiscal commission filling it with past " experts " they had relied on before. The commission produced a report saying the Scottish economy was doing very badly. Please bear in mind these were had picked people to give a positive outcome but they told the truth and that was not good enough. So dereck laffer curve Mackey gets his mate to say the findings were all wrong !!!!! So all is good in snp / kinky world after all. The big problem was the Scottish government has just produced there own figures to say the Scottish economy is only growing at 0.2 %. So back to the fiscal commission. If the Scottish government are rubbishing their work then all the work that did in the past must be shite as well according to dereck mackay. The only thing is that they were right about the growth or lack of it so the snp just do what they always do ignore or rubbish the figures. So do I completely agree with nippys figures ??? I think obviously there will be a down turn in the whole British economy but what would be the price if Scotland left the UK. we are still waiting on there figures from anyone !!! Paranoid much ? The expects are not the SNP you do know this right ? So if true and Scotland face being 12 billion a year worse off whats your solution to make sure Scotland does not suffer that ? I fully understand there will be a lose to all parts of the UK economy but question the figures as the snp like what they like and lean on people to produce what the snp want and what fits their narrative. NO solutions then is that what you are saying ? Is that the cost to stay in a hard brexit UK for unionists then ? Just accept that it do nothing about it Not being a Unionist I don't accept anything. I am not sure what your solution is !!! The UK voted to leave so I'm certain in the future their will be a cost to pay. So no solutions just accept Scotland being worse off and face damage to the Scottish economy ? And your solution ???" Oh i dont know independence ? Now whats your again ? lol As someone that lives in Scotland surely to god you dont want Scotland to be worse off so what is your solution to make sure that wont happen eh ? | |||
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"Seeing alot of true colours today You want the UK to stay together and you want Scotland to shut the hell up and get told what to say and do Lke i said why so you not want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as 55 million English tax payers ? Is Scottish tax payers not good enough for you then must be told know you masters ? That is why England has no friends, its the most hated country in the World But masters, they are not, and very soon they will be learning how to beg
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" B.You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ? Yeah some fucking UK union you have You do know that the number of mp’s is based roughly proportional representation so that ALL people get roughly the same say ..... Please tell me you knew that......
You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ?
Because there are a lot fewer people in scotland than in the rest of the UK.
There are a lot more people who live in mainland Scotland than on the islands. If every person on the mainland voted SNP, and every person on the islands voted Tory, which party would form the government in the Scottish parliament as it is today. Not an independent Scotland, the parliament as it is today. Which party would dominate? Which party would pass the laws, pass the budget etc. "Come on kinky, tell us how it works. Are the islanders equal to the mainlanders? Or do the mainlanders just want the islanders' money and to shut up? That doesn't sound very equal. | |||
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"Seeing alot of true colours today You want the UK to stay together and you want Scotland to shut the hell up and get told what to say and do Lke i said why so you not want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as 55 million English tax payers ? Is Scottish tax payers not good enough for you then must be told know you masters ? That is why England has no friends, its the most hated country in the World But masters, they are not, and very soon they will be learning how to beg
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"As wee nippy sturgeon produced the 12 billion figure and kinky states it is irrefutable because it is produced by experts. The Scottish government set up a fiscal commission filling it with past " experts " they had relied on before. The commission produced a report saying the Scottish economy was doing very badly. Please bear in mind these were had picked people to give a positive outcome but they told the truth and that was not good enough. So dereck laffer curve Mackey gets his mate to say the findings were all wrong !!!!! So all is good in snp / kinky world after all. The big problem was the Scottish government has just produced there own figures to say the Scottish economy is only growing at 0.2 %. So back to the fiscal commission. If the Scottish government are rubbishing their work then all the work that did in the past must be shite as well according to dereck mackay. The only thing is that they were right about the growth or lack of it so the snp just do what they always do ignore or rubbish the figures. So do I completely agree with nippys figures ??? I think obviously there will be a down turn in the whole British economy but what would be the price if Scotland left the UK. we are still waiting on there figures from anyone !!! Paranoid much ? The expects are not the SNP you do know this right ? So if true and Scotland face being 12 billion a year worse off whats your solution to make sure Scotland does not suffer that ? I fully understand there will be a lose to all parts of the UK economy but question the figures as the snp like what they like and lean on people to produce what the snp want and what fits their narrative. NO solutions then is that what you are saying ? Is that the cost to stay in a hard brexit UK for unionists then ? Just accept that it do nothing about it Not being a Unionist I don't accept anything. I am not sure what your solution is !!! The UK voted to leave so I'm certain in the future their will be a cost to pay. So no solutions just accept Scotland being worse off and face damage to the Scottish economy ? And your solution ??? Oh i dont know independence ? Now whats your again ? lol As someone that lives in Scotland surely to god you dont want Scotland to be worse off so what is your solution to make sure that wont happen eh ? " But we will be worse off because RUK is our biggest market. We are not guaranteed automatic entry to the eu and may have years to wait so your suggestion is a double whammy of making our economy worse off !!! | |||
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" B.You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ? Yeah some fucking UK union you have You do know that the number of mp’s is based roughly proportional representation so that ALL people get roughly the same say ..... Please tell me you knew that......
You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ?
Because there are a lot fewer people in scotland than in the rest of the UK.
There are a lot more people who live in mainland Scotland than on the islands. If every person on the mainland voted SNP, and every person on the islands voted Tory, which party would form the government in the Scottish parliament as it is today. Not an independent Scotland, the parliament as it is today. Which party would dominate? Which party would pass the laws, pass the budget etc.
Come on kinky, tell us how it works. Are the islanders equal to the mainlanders? Or do the mainlanders just want the islanders' money and to shut up? That doesn't sound very equal."Still too scared? | |||
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"As wee nippy sturgeon produced the 12 billion figure and kinky states it is irrefutable because it is produced by experts. The Scottish government set up a fiscal commission filling it with past " experts " they had relied on before. The commission produced a report saying the Scottish economy was doing very badly. Please bear in mind these were had picked people to give a positive outcome but they told the truth and that was not good enough. So dereck laffer curve Mackey gets his mate to say the findings were all wrong !!!!! So all is good in snp / kinky world after all. The big problem was the Scottish government has just produced there own figures to say the Scottish economy is only growing at 0.2 %. So back to the fiscal commission. If the Scottish government are rubbishing their work then all the work that did in the past must be shite as well according to dereck mackay. The only thing is that they were right about the growth or lack of it so the snp just do what they always do ignore or rubbish the figures. So do I completely agree with nippys figures ??? I think obviously there will be a down turn in the whole British economy but what would be the price if Scotland left the UK. we are still waiting on there figures from anyone !!! Paranoid much ? The expects are not the SNP you do know this right ? So if true and Scotland face being 12 billion a year worse off whats your solution to make sure Scotland does not suffer that ? I fully understand there will be a lose to all parts of the UK economy but question the figures as the snp like what they like and lean on people to produce what the snp want and what fits their narrative. NO solutions then is that what you are saying ? Is that the cost to stay in a hard brexit UK for unionists then ? Just accept that it do nothing about it Not being a Unionist I don't accept anything. I am not sure what your solution is !!! The UK voted to leave so I'm certain in the future their will be a cost to pay. So no solutions just accept Scotland being worse off and face damage to the Scottish economy ? And your solution ??? Oh i dont know independence ? Now whats your again ? lol As someone that lives in Scotland surely to god you dont want Scotland to be worse off so what is your solution to make sure that wont happen eh ? But we will be worse off because RUK is our biggest market. We are not guaranteed automatic entry to the eu and may have years to wait so your suggestion is a double whammy of making our economy worse off !!!" Hold on you asked me for my solution i gave you it as my opinion would be independence Whats your solution eh ? As someone that lives in Scotland surely to god you dont want Scotland to be worse off so what is your solution to make sure that wont happen eh ? | |||
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"Seeing alot of true colours today You want the UK to stay together and you want Scotland to shut the hell up and get told what to say and do Lke i said why so you not want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as 55 million English tax payers ? Is Scottish tax payers not good enough for you then must be told know you masters ? That is why England has no friends, its the most hated country in the World But masters, they are not, and very soon they will be learning how to beg
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"Yes Kinky I do know the quote from Rabbie Burns. But that was for a payment of £20000 paid to the court party who were in favour of politcal union. Now if you would be so kind snd tell me were I can read up about the threat to invade Scottish lands I would be most grateful" I think i asked you question waiting on your answer did Scotland willingly sign that act ? and i dont mean the poorly attended Scottish Parliament the MPs i mean the full of Scotland did they agree to the act of the union ? | |||
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"Seeing alot of true colours today You want the UK to stay together and you want Scotland to shut the hell up and get told what to say and do Lke i said why so you not want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as 55 million English tax payers ? Is Scottish tax payers not good enough for you then must be told know you masters ? That is why England has no friends, its the most hated country in the World But masters, they are not, and very soon they will be learning how to beg
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I thought you had lifetime membership of the SNP?
You are fully aware I no longer support snp, it was also explained the reasons why when you asked me direct.
Independence for Scotland and backing the snp are 2 completely different issues that small Englanders fail to understand."Which cuts right to the heart of the independence myth doesn't it? That even if you had independence, people would be just as pissed at their politicians as before. | |||
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" B.You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ? Yeah some fucking UK union you have You do know that the number of mp’s is based roughly proportional representation so that ALL people get roughly the same say ..... Please tell me you knew that......
You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ?
Because there are a lot fewer people in scotland than in the rest of the UK.
There are a lot more people who live in mainland Scotland than on the islands. If every person on the mainland voted SNP, and every person on the islands voted Tory, which party would form the government in the Scottish parliament as it is today. Not an independent Scotland, the parliament as it is today. Which party would dominate? Which party would pass the laws, pass the budget etc.
Come on kinky, tell us how it works. Are the islanders equal to the mainlanders? Or do the mainlanders just want the islanders' money and to shut up? That doesn't sound very equal.
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"Seeing alot of true colours today You want the UK to stay together and you want Scotland to shut the hell up and get told what to say and do Lke i said why so you not want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as 55 million English tax payers ? Is Scottish tax payers not good enough for you then must be told know you masters ? That is why England has no friends, its the most hated country in the World But masters, they are not, and very soon they will be learning how to beg
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I thought you had lifetime membership of the SNP?
You are fully aware I no longer support snp, it was also explained the reasons why when you asked me direct.
Independence for Scotland and backing the snp are 2 completely different issues that small Englanders fail to understand."See this is what common ground is while we both might not fully agree on SNP and policies we can see and work for the greater good and independence for Scotland to most unionists they cant tell the difference between someone thats pro independent and someone that supports the SNP because in their mnds if you support or vote SNP then your pro indy lol they seem to forget that there is pro indy supporters in Labour and the Greens and SSP even RISE where ever Cat Boyd dream party went lol | |||
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"Seeing alot of true colours today You want the UK to stay together and you want Scotland to shut the hell up and get told what to say and do Lke i said why so you not want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as 55 million English tax payers ? Is Scottish tax payers not good enough for you then must be told know you masters ? That is why England has no friends, its the most hated country in the World But masters, they are not, and very soon they will be learning how to beg
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I thought you had lifetime membership of the SNP?
You are fully aware I no longer support snp, it was also explained the reasons why when you asked me direct.
Independence for Scotland and backing the snp are 2 completely different issues that small Englanders fail to understand.
See this is what common ground is
while we both might not fully agree on SNP and policies we can see and work for the greater good and independence for Scotland
to most unionists they cant tell the difference between someone thats pro independent and someone that supports the SNP
because in their mnds if you support or vote SNP then your pro indy lol
they seem to forget that there is pro indy supporters in Labour and the Greens and SSP even RISE where ever Cat Boyd dream party went lol "And they all came together under the banner of Yes Scotland and run up a debt of £500,000!!!!!! | |||
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"Yes Kinky I do know the quote from Rabbie Burns. But that was for a payment of £20000 paid to the court party who were in favour of politcal union. Now if you would be so kind snd tell me were I can read up about the threat to invade Scottish lands I would be most grateful I think i asked you question waiting on your answer did Scotland willingly sign that act ? and i dont mean the poorly attended Scottish Parliament the MPs i mean the full of Scotland did they agree to the act of the union ?" Yes Scotland did as the country was bankrupt at the time. Scotland invested heavily in the ponzie scheme known as the Darrien Expedition. The English denied Scotland any trading rights with north America. So come the offer of free trade and and end to costly wars against England the offer was accepted! !! | |||
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"Seeing alot of true colours today You want the UK to stay together and you want Scotland to shut the hell up and get told what to say and do Lke i said why so you not want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as 55 million English tax payers ? Is Scottish tax payers not good enough for you then must be told know you masters ? That is why England has no friends, its the most hated country in the World But masters, they are not, and very soon they will be learning how to beg
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I thought you had lifetime membership of the SNP?
You are fully aware I no longer support snp, it was also explained the reasons why when you asked me direct.
Independence for Scotland and backing the snp are 2 completely different issues that small Englanders fail to understand.
See this is what common ground is
while we both might not fully agree on SNP and policies we can see and work for the greater good and independence for Scotland
to most unionists they cant tell the difference between someone thats pro independent and someone that supports the SNP
because in their mnds if you support or vote SNP then your pro indy lol
they seem to forget that there is pro indy supporters in Labour and the Greens and SSP even RISE where ever Cat Boyd dream party went lol
And they all came together under the banner of Yes Scotland and run up a debt of £500,000!!!!!! "Fuck sake you do you understand their is a wider Yes movement at grassroots ? Do you think i am under Yes Scotland ? Or am i someone that can freely campaign for independence and best of it i dont owe a fucking penny | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! " YesScotland was just another front for the SNP, despite supposedly being an independent campaign. The SNP actually threw £825,000 at them, a substantial amount of money. There were a few similar dodgy organisations linked to the SNP. | |||
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"Probably not, as they didn’t have referendums in those days, same as the people in England wern’t asked in 1706 when there was a vote in the English parliament, concerning unifying the parliaments. I do know that there were riots in Edinburgh and Glasgow over the act of union" There you go then so Scotland did not willingly sign that act those that stood in the Scottish parliament which on that day harder anyone was there So you cannot say Scotland willingly wanted to sign that act of the union | |||
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"Probably not, as they didn’t have referendums in those days, same as the people in England wern’t asked in 1706 when there was a vote in the English parliament, concerning unifying the parliaments. I do know that there were riots in Edinburgh and Glasgow over the act of union" You are correct there was disruption in both cities. You must rember like it or not there was a distinct ruling class back then. The act of union was taken by the rulers both sides of the border. As for the English people not being consulted the ruling class saw the act of union as removing a potential enemy from its border. The man in the street did not have much of a vote so someone rightly or wrongly made the decision for him. | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! YesScotland was just another front for the SNP, despite supposedly being an independent campaign. The SNP actually threw £825,000 at them, a substantial amount of money. There were a few similar dodgy organisations linked to the SNP. " Hopefully another independence referendum will bankrupt both Yes Scotland and the SNP then. An important point to keep in mind is that I bet the Yes Scotland Campaign were very keen on using Scottish suppliers. I doubt they would have wanted English businesses printing their leaflets for example, so it will be all of those Scottish businesses that are owed all that money. Yes Scotland must have screwed over a lot of hard working scots to rack up such huge debts, despite SNP bailouts. | |||
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"Probably not, as they didn’t have referendums in those days, same as the people in England wern’t asked in 1706 when there was a vote in the English parliament, concerning unifying the parliaments. I do know that there were riots in Edinburgh and Glasgow over the act of union There you go then so Scotland did not willingly sign that act those that stood in the Scottish parliament which on that day harder anyone was there So you cannot say Scotland willingly wanted to sign that act of the union " Please read my reply above !!! You saw there were not many attended the Scots parliment that day. By your own logic they forfitted there rights by not attending. That is the agreement you put forward for a third of Scottish voters not taking part in the brexit referendum !!! | |||
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"But the Scottish parliament did vote for union, no mattrr how poorly attended it was on that day. " Ah is that how you are gonna try and get round that again poorly attended which then means there was people's elected mps that were not that so if someone was dead against a UK union and there mp was not there then there voice is not being heard So you cant say Scotland voted to sign the act of the union getting it yet ? | |||
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"But the Scottish parliament did vote for union, no mattrr how poorly attended it was on that day. Ah is that how you are gonna try and get round that again poorly attended which then means there was people's elected mps that were not that so if someone was dead against a UK union and there mp was not there then there voice is not being heard So you cant say Scotland voted to sign the act of the union getting it yet ? " Can you reply to my last post !! | |||
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" B.You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ? Yeah some fucking UK union you have You do know that the number of mp’s is based roughly proportional representation so that ALL people get roughly the same say ..... Please tell me you knew that...... "Given that the current constituency boundaries are based on data thats nearly 20 years old and disenfranchisement of voters due to changes in voter registration - I'd say that's an outright lie... Shame on you Excluding outliers like the Western Isles and the Isle of Wight - constuencies range from around 40000 voters up to 90000 What you call roughly equivalent, I would call wildly divergent. | |||
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" B.You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ? Yeah some fucking UK union you have You do know that the number of mp’s is based roughly proportional representation so that ALL people get roughly the same say ..... Please tell me you knew that......
Given that the current constituency boundaries are based on data thats nearly 20 years old and disenfranchisement of voters due to changes in voter registration - I'd say that's an outright lie...
Shame on you
Excluding outliers like the Western Isles and the Isle of Wight - constuencies range from around 40000 voters up to 90000
What you call roughly equivalent, I would call wildly divergent.
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" B.You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ? Yeah some fucking UK union you have You do know that the number of mp’s is based roughly proportional representation so that ALL people get roughly the same say ..... Please tell me you knew that......
Given that the current constituency boundaries are based on data thats nearly 20 years old and disenfranchisement of voters due to changes in voter registration - I'd say that's an outright lie...
Shame on you
Excluding outliers like the Western Isles and the Isle of Wight - constuencies range from around 40000 voters up to 90000
What you call roughly equivalent, I would call wildly divergent.
Roughly equivalent, but still Scotland has smaller average constituencies than England, so Scotland gets more of a say that its rightfully entitled."If you feel that way why in hell do you want to keep Scotland in the UK then ? You clearly dont agree with it | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! YesScotland was just another front for the SNP, despite supposedly being an independent campaign. The SNP actually threw £825,000 at them, a substantial amount of money. There were a few similar dodgy organisations linked to the SNP. Hopefully another independence referendum will bankrupt both Yes Scotland and the SNP then. An important point to keep in mind is that I bet the Yes Scotland Campaign were very keen on using Scottish suppliers. I doubt they would have wanted English businesses printing their leaflets for example, so it will be all of those Scottish businesses that are owed all that money. Yes Scotland must have screwed over a lot of hard working scots to rack up such huge debts, despite SNP bailouts. " I wonder how many Yes Scotland supporters feel sorry about this? Embarrassed? Ashamed? | |||
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" B.You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ? Yeah some fucking UK union you have You do know that the number of mp’s is based roughly proportional representation so that ALL people get roughly the same say ..... Please tell me you knew that......
Given that the current constituency boundaries are based on data thats nearly 20 years old and disenfranchisement of voters due to changes in voter registration - I'd say that's an outright lie...
Shame on you
Excluding outliers like the Western Isles and the Isle of Wight - constuencies range from around 40000 voters up to 90000
What you call roughly equivalent, I would call wildly divergent.
Roughly equivalent, but still Scotland has smaller average constituencies than England, so Scotland gets more of a say that its rightfully entitled."You must get a few speeding tickets no? Polis: " do you know how fast you were going?" CLCC: "roughly 40..." | |||
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" B.You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ? Yeah some fucking UK union you have You do know that the number of mp’s is based roughly proportional representation so that ALL people get roughly the same say ..... Please tell me you knew that......
Given that the current constituency boundaries are based on data thats nearly 20 years old and disenfranchisement of voters due to changes in voter registration - I'd say that's an outright lie...
Shame on you
Excluding outliers like the Western Isles and the Isle of Wight - constuencies range from around 40000 voters up to 90000
What you call roughly equivalent, I would call wildly divergent.
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"Ooooh maybe we can get rarecask to answer the question kinky won’t..... If independence meant Scotland being 40 billion pounds per year poorer as a nation... would you take it?" I'd be very tempted cos that sounds like a rough estimate to me... | |||
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" B.You are all claiming its a UK parilament yet you dont want 5 million Scottish tax payers to have as much equal say as English tax payers ? Yeah some fucking UK union you have You do know that the number of mp’s is based roughly proportional representation so that ALL people get roughly the same say ..... Please tell me you knew that......
Given that the current constituency boundaries are based on data thats nearly 20 years old and disenfranchisement of voters due to changes in voter registration - I'd say that's an outright lie...
Shame on you
Excluding outliers like the Western Isles and the Isle of Wight - constuencies range from around 40000 voters up to 90000
What you call roughly equivalent, I would call wildly divergent.
You do know the current proposal for reducing the number of mps down to 600 is that all have a rough size of 75000 voters per seat"yes - and I also know that labour will block it as long as they are able because it puts them at a disadvantage gerrymandery on both sides in Westminster I think you'll find | |||
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"Ooooh maybe we can get rarecask to answer the question kinky won’t..... If independence meant Scotland being 40 billion pounds per year poorer as a nation... would you take it?" Ha any unionist managed to find a solution yet on how to stop Scotland being faced with being £12 billion a year worse off ? Now i gave you my solution which would be independence and i fully accept you dont agree and you gonna claim it will cost 40 billion But what i have not heard is a damn solution from unionists on the 12 billon so Fabio can you ? Or is it none of you can and are willing to actually see Scotland 12 billion a year worse off ? You may you dont wanna see it but whats the solution then ? | |||
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"Its doubtful that a future referendum would result in independence for Scotland, as the official campaign, Yes Scotland, couldn't afford to print 1 leaflet, one poster or a single advert. In fact they owe £500,000 to their creditors! YesScotland was just another front for the SNP, despite supposedly being an independent campaign. The SNP actually threw £825,000 at them, a substantial amount of money. There were a few similar dodgy organisations linked to the SNP. Hopefully another independence referendum will bankrupt both Yes Scotland and the SNP then. An important point to keep in mind is that I bet the Yes Scotland Campaign were very keen on using Scottish suppliers. I doubt they would have wanted English businesses printing their leaflets for example, so it will be all of those Scottish businesses that are owed all that money. Yes Scotland must have screwed over a lot of hard working scots to rack up such huge debts, despite SNP bailouts. I wonder how many Yes Scotland supporters feel sorry about this? Embarrassed? Ashamed?" I also know of a certain indy blogger who was fined by the electoral commission for failing to disclose his spending. Pretty handy if you're bringing in hundreds of thousands of pounds and don't want anyone to know how much (or how little ) you're spending for the cause. | |||
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"Ooooh maybe we can get rarecask to answer the question kinky won’t..... If independence meant Scotland being 40 billion pounds per year poorer as a nation... would you take it? I'd be very tempted cos that sounds like a rough estimate to me..." Where would you make £40bn of cuts? | |||
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"Ooooh maybe we can get rarecask to answer the question kinky won’t..... If independence meant Scotland being 40 billion pounds per year poorer as a nation... would you take it? I'd be very tempted cos that sounds like a rough estimate to me... Where would you make £40bn of cuts? " Who says I wouldn't increase revenue by £40bn? | |||
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"Ooooh maybe we can get rarecask to answer the question kinky won’t..... If independence meant Scotland being 40 billion pounds per year poorer as a nation... would you take it? I'd be very tempted cos that sounds like a rough estimate to me... Where would you make £40bn of cuts? Who says I wouldn't increase revenue by £40bn? "Ok, so extra taxation? | |||
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"Ooooh maybe we can get rarecask to answer the question kinky won’t..... If independence meant Scotland being 40 billion pounds per year poorer as a nation... would you take it? I'd be very tempted cos that sounds like a rough estimate to me... Where would you make £40bn of cuts? Who says I wouldn't increase revenue by £40bn?
Ok, so extra taxation?"Maybe I'll pinch Theresa's magic tree... | |||
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"Ooooh maybe we can get rarecask to answer the question kinky won’t..... If independence meant Scotland being 40 billion pounds per year poorer as a nation... would you take it? I'd be very tempted cos that sounds like a rough estimate to me... Where would you make £40bn of cuts? Who says I wouldn't increase revenue by £40bn?
Ok, so extra taxation?
Maybe I'll pinch Theresa's magic tree... "You'll need it, seeing as Scotland's deficit is twice as high as the rest of the UK | |||
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"Ooooh maybe we can get rarecask to answer the question kinky won’t..... If independence meant Scotland being 40 billion pounds per year poorer as a nation... would you take it? I'd be very tempted cos that sounds like a rough estimate to me... Where would you make £40bn of cuts? Who says I wouldn't increase revenue by £40bn?
Ok, so extra taxation?
Maybe I'll pinch Theresa's magic tree...
You'll need it, seeing as Scotland's deficit is twice as high as the rest of the UK "Oh you see that there is that Scotland's too poor shite again every other country is ok to be an independent country but Scotland no no your far to fucking poor to be independent you need your London masters to help fund you wee fuckers out lol Some laugh this | |||
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"Ooooh maybe we can get rarecask to answer the question kinky won’t..... If independence meant Scotland being 40 billion pounds per year poorer as a nation... would you take it? I'd be very tempted cos that sounds like a rough estimate to me... Where would you make £40bn of cuts? Who says I wouldn't increase revenue by £40bn?
Ok, so extra taxation?
Maybe I'll pinch Theresa's magic tree...
You'll need it, seeing as Scotland's deficit is twice as high as the rest of the UK
Oh you see that there is that Scotland's too poor shite again every other country is ok to be an independent country but Scotland no no your far to fucking poor to be independent you need your London masters to help fund you wee fuckers out lol
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"Ooooh maybe we can get rarecask to answer the question kinky won’t..... If independence meant Scotland being 40 billion pounds per year poorer as a nation... would you take it? I'd be very tempted cos that sounds like a rough estimate to me... Where would you make £40bn of cuts? Who says I wouldn't increase revenue by £40bn?
Ok, so extra taxation?
Maybe I'll pinch Theresa's magic tree...
You'll need it, seeing as Scotland's deficit is twice as high as the rest of the UK "The way Westminster runs things - that is to say, for the benefit of London- I'm hardly surprised... | |||
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"Ooooh maybe we can get rarecask to answer the question kinky won’t..... If independence meant Scotland being 40 billion pounds per year poorer as a nation... would you take it? I'd be very tempted cos that sounds like a rough estimate to me... Where would you make £40bn of cuts? Who says I wouldn't increase revenue by £40bn?
Ok, so extra taxation?
Maybe I'll pinch Theresa's magic tree...
You'll need it, seeing as Scotland's deficit is twice as high as the rest of the UK
Oh you see that there is that Scotland's too poor shite again every other country is ok to be an independent country but Scotland no no your far to fucking poor to be independent you need your London masters to help fund you wee fuckers out lol
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Ok, so what is the deficit of Scotland? "That deficit you love going on about is Scotland under the UK hahahahahhahahah Thats your piss poor Uk government as Scotland has no borrowing powers thats not devolved lol So you have no idea what an independent Scotland would look like | |||
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"Ooooh maybe we can get rarecask to answer the question kinky won’t..... If independence meant Scotland being 40 billion pounds per year poorer as a nation... would you take it? I'd be very tempted cos that sounds like a rough estimate to me... Where would you make £40bn of cuts? Who says I wouldn't increase revenue by £40bn?
Ok, so extra taxation?
Maybe I'll pinch Theresa's magic tree...
You'll need it, seeing as Scotland's deficit is twice as high as the rest of the UK
Oh you see that there is that Scotland's too poor shite again every other country is ok to be an independent country but Scotland no no your far to fucking poor to be independent you need your London masters to help fund you wee fuckers out lol
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Ok, so what is the deficit of Scotland? "Right, so you say its bollocks. But then when asked to produce the figures you shit your pants and go for the bait and switch | |||
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"Here is something to ponder and this goes for England too Its not always about money with becoming independent This is about having the right to self govern and having full control over all affairs Would an independent Scotland get some things wrong ? Maybe i dont know this but if it did then the people of Scotland will be able to boot the elected government out and elect a new one This is about the right to self govern we dont want the Tories if England do fair enough but Scotland is sick fed of those scumbags and their cuts we wanna do things better and fairier and if that means breaking this Uk so be it and not gonna say sorry for that as i believe every country should be independent and look after their own affairs and dont need Westminster thinking they know best for Scotland shove that shit out right up their arse I have my own parilament in Scotland called Holyrood where our elected representatives look out for the best interests of Scotland they way it should be and they cant do that with only some devolved powers as a nation we want full control over all powers and we can hold our government to account The Tories seem to think they know whats best for Scotland and what money and powers we should get well being honest the Tories can shove that shit up their arse i have no respect for the Tories " You know an independent Scotland could elect a Tory government, right? | |||
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"Here is something to ponder and this goes for England too Its not always about money with becoming independent This is about having the right to self govern and having full control over all affairs Would an independent Scotland get some things wrong ? Maybe i dont know this but if it did then the people of Scotland will be able to boot the elected government out and elect a new one This is about the right to self govern we dont want the Tories if England do fair enough but Scotland is sick fed of those scumbags and their cuts we wanna do things better and fairier and if that means breaking this Uk so be it and not gonna say sorry for that as i believe every country should be independent and look after their own affairs and dont need Westminster thinking they know best for Scotland shove that shit out right up their arse I have my own parilament in Scotland called Holyrood where our elected representatives look out for the best interests of Scotland they way it should be and they cant do that with only some devolved powers as a nation we want full control over all powers and we can hold our government to account The Tories seem to think they know whats best for Scotland and what money and powers we should get well being honest the Tories can shove that shit up their arse i have no respect for the Tories You know an independent Scotland could elect a Tory government, right? " Ah first off the Tories would actually have to register as party why in the hell do you think i keep calling them a branch office ? You go look up the electoral commission in Scotland and you wont see any party called the Scottish conservative party none exist Now you go on to your point if they did register then yes the could be elected in Scotland but when was the last time you seen Scotland voting to elect a Tory government ? Do you agree with my point though can you see why people want independence ? Sometimes just sometimes its not all about money its the right to self govern and hold that party in government to account here in Scotland where they have full control over every power and f we dont like it we boot them out | |||
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"Lol that would never happen in Scotland not with the hatred that they have brought upon themselves " I remember Salmond saying a Tory would never take his seat, and we know what happened then. | |||
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"Taking a few seats doesn't mean they would ever got into power in Scotland we have long memories of what they have done to Scotland before " Not saying they will or won't but to completely discount them would be wrong. Have you seen the number of votes the parties got at the last election? | |||
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"Lol that would never happen in Scotland not with the hatred that they have brought upon themselves " They won how many seat in Scotland at the general election? 13? 31 MSPs, 1 MEP, 275 councillors etc. | |||
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