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"Fabio will agriculture, Forestry and Fishing be returned to Holyrood? If it not returned as to Holyrood is that a power grab by the Tories ?" It can’t be returned until the UK leave the eu... and no one has said those powers won’t be returned.. and the government have said that they plan on retaining the ag subsidies so there would be no reason as to why that would not be devolved as it would be a simple thing to do | |||
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"Fabio will agriculture, Forestry and Fishing be returned to Holyrood? If it not returned as to Holyrood is that a power grab by the Tories ? It can’t be returned until the UK leave the eu... and no one has said those powers won’t be returned.. and the government have said that they plan on retaining the ag subsidies so there would be no reason as to why that would not be devolved as it would be a simple thing to do " Right so Fabio is what your saying is you have no clue on if Agriculture, Forestry and Fishing will be returned to Holyrood? What in the hell makes you trust the Tories return griculture, Forestry and Fishing to Holyrood ? | |||
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" Right so Fabio is what your saying is you have no clue on if Agriculture, Forestry and Fishing will be returned to Holyrood? What in the hell makes you trust the Tories return griculture, Forestry and Fishing to Holyrood ?" Because they devolved every recommendation made to them by the smith commission in the 2016 Scotland act.... See you won’t like the answer but they have not reneged on any specific thing they have said would be devolved so far.. so why would they now? If fact, and you won’t like this either.. it has been the Scottish administration that have slowed down for example the welfare powers being devolved | |||
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"Fabio will agriculture, Forestry and Fishing be returned to Holyrood? If it not returned as to Holyrood is that a power grab by the Tories ? It can’t be returned until the UK leave the eu... and no one has said those powers won’t be returned.. and the government have said that they plan on retaining the ag subsidies so there would be no reason as to why that would not be devolved as it would be a simple thing to do Right so Fabio is what your saying is you have no clue on if Agriculture, Forestry and Fishing will be returned to Holyrood? What in the hell makes you trust the Tories return griculture, Forestry and Fishing to Holyrood ?" Asked and answered 100's of times already. Agriculture, Forestry and Fishing decisions currently made at EU level cannot be returned to Holyrood because Holyrood never had those powers in the first place. They could be given to Holyrood as new competencies but, as they are currently at EU level to ensure harmonisation in the EU single market, it would seem reasonable that, in order to ensure harmonisation in the UK single market, that they are mostly reserved to Westminster. Which part of this don't you understand? | |||
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"Ok so what you saying is none of you have a clue on if Agriculture, Forestry and Fishing will be returned to Holyrood? Also is there a time limit after the UK leaves the EU when these powers are returned? Is it a week? 1 month ? 4 months ? 1 year? 3 year? Never? What makes you all trust the Tories to return these powers? " Are you not able to read answers when given. I and others have answered these questions in detail already. I'm just wondering when, if ever you'll answer the very simple question as to whether you're happy to see Scotland £40+ billion worse of as a result of independence? It only requires a yes or no answer. | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf The link above is to a impact analysis of Scotland leaving the UK. It clearly concludes that the cost to Scotland of such a break would be £40+ billion a year and that average earnings would be lower by £6,000+ a year. I'd really like to know if Kinky is happy to Scotland £40+ billion worse of each year. Are you going to answer Kinky?" What in the hell do people not get i am not gonna answer until you all show me the impact papers saying Scotland will be even worse out of the UK and the EU get them and i will answer What is telling is you all seem so damn happy to see Scotland £12 billion a year worse off staying in your wee Uk hard brexit shame on everyone of you i dont see a family of nations what i see is you happy to see a country take damage to our economy just to keep the fucked up Uk together | |||
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"Also which non-devolved powers in the great powers bonzana are Scotland going to get? None of you have a bloody clue do you? You going on the word of the Tories which means fuck all " I've already answered this question to. Why won't you answer the £40+ billion question Kinky? | |||
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"Also which non-devolved powers in the great powers bonzana are Scotland going to get? None of you have a bloody clue do you? You going on the word of the Tories which means fuck all I've already answered this question to. Why won't you answer the £40+ billion question Kinky?" No you never name one single power from the power bonzana then Scotland will get? Mundell said it so which powers is Scotland gonna get ? | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf The link above is to a impact analysis of Scotland leaving the UK. It clearly concludes that the cost to Scotland of such a break would be £40+ billion a year and that average earnings would be lower by £6,000+ a year. I'd really like to know if Kinky is happy to Scotland £40+ billion worse of each year. Are you going to answer Kinky? What in the hell do people not get i am not gonna answer until you all show me the impact papers saying Scotland will be even worse out of the UK and the EU get them and i will answer What is telling is you all seem so damn happy to see Scotland £12 billion a year worse off staying in your wee Uk hard brexit shame on everyone of you i dont see a family of nations what i see is you happy to see a country take damage to our economy just to keep the fucked up Uk together " And now your even lying to. The link to the impact assessment is right at the top of the post you've just replied to and this post to. I've said over and over again that I'm not happy when Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of BREXIT. What I can't understand is why you're having such a big problem saying you don't want to see Scotland £40+ billion worse off. | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf The link above is to a impact analysis of Scotland leaving the UK. It clearly concludes that the cost to Scotland of such a break would be £40+ billion a year and that average earnings would be lower by £6,000+ a year. I'd really like to know if Kinky is happy to Scotland £40+ billion worse of each year. Are you going to answer Kinky? What in the hell do people not get i am not gonna answer until you all show me the impact papers saying Scotland will be even worse out of the UK and the EU get them and i will answer What is telling is you all seem so damn happy to see Scotland £12 billion a year worse off staying in your wee Uk hard brexit shame on everyone of you i dont see a family of nations what i see is you happy to see a country take damage to our economy just to keep the fucked up Uk together And now your even lying to. The link to the impact assessment is right at the top of the post you've just replied to and this post to. I've said over and over again that I'm not happy when Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of BREXIT. What I can't understand is why you're having such a big problem saying you don't want to see Scotland £40+ billion worse off." Right so your not happy that Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of brexit? What if that happens then what do you think Scotland should do take it up the arse ? | |||
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"100% agree with this person on social media he get it Mundell's message to Scotland is this: "Your place isn't in Europe. Your future is to take a massive economic hit, then provide England with goods and services. So shut up Scotland and do as your tory masters tell you." Well the Tories can shove it as we wont shut up and bend over and take it " But your not willing to make any comment at all on the impact assessment that concludes that Scotland will be worse of by £40+ billion a year as a direct result of independence. | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf The link above is to a impact analysis of Scotland leaving the UK. It clearly concludes that the cost to Scotland of such a break would be £40+ billion a year and that average earnings would be lower by £6,000+ a year. I'd really like to know if Kinky is happy to Scotland £40+ billion worse of each year. Are you going to answer Kinky? What in the hell do people not get i am not gonna answer until you all show me the impact papers saying Scotland will be even worse out of the UK and the EU get them and i will answer What is telling is you all seem so damn happy to see Scotland £12 billion a year worse off staying in your wee Uk hard brexit shame on everyone of you i dont see a family of nations what i see is you happy to see a country take damage to our economy just to keep the fucked up Uk together And now your even lying to. The link to the impact assessment is right at the top of the post you've just replied to and this post to. I've said over and over again that I'm not happy when Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of BREXIT. What I can't understand is why you're having such a big problem saying you don't want to see Scotland £40+ billion worse off. Right so your not happy that Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of brexit? What if that happens then what do you think Scotland should do take it up the arse ? " Depends if the alternative is DA with 2 BBC. Dry. And no. I don’t know this. I’m awaiting the SNP to do an IA like the responsible governing party you say they are. | |||
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"Question to everyone If your not happy that Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of brexit? What if that happens then what do you think Scotland should do?" Do IAs on a range of scenarios to have the full facts to make a decision. | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf The link above is to a impact analysis of Scotland leaving the UK. It clearly concludes that the cost to Scotland of such a break would be £40+ billion a year and that average earnings would be lower by £6,000+ a year. I'd really like to know if Kinky is happy to Scotland £40+ billion worse of each year. Are you going to answer Kinky? What in the hell do people not get i am not gonna answer until you all show me the impact papers saying Scotland will be even worse out of the UK and the EU get them and i will answer What is telling is you all seem so damn happy to see Scotland £12 billion a year worse off staying in your wee Uk hard brexit shame on everyone of you i dont see a family of nations what i see is you happy to see a country take damage to our economy just to keep the fucked up Uk together And now your even lying to. The link to the impact assessment is right at the top of the post you've just replied to and this post to. I've said over and over again that I'm not happy when Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of BREXIT. What I can't understand is why you're having such a big problem saying you don't want to see Scotland £40+ billion worse off. Right so your not happy that Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of brexit? What if that happens then what do you think Scotland should do take it up the arse ? " You should work with those of us who are still fighting to make sure it doesn't actually happen and stop trying to use it to further your own independence campaign which that could potentially cost Scotland £40+ billion a year; more than 3 times the cost of BREXIT. To be frank your campaign against the £12 billion BREXIT bill with a solution that would cost £40 billion is really damaging to any credibility in any of your other arguments, including the use of Henry VIII powers (orders in council) in the withdrawal bill. | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf The link above is to a impact analysis of Scotland leaving the UK. It clearly concludes that the cost to Scotland of such a break would be £40+ billion a year and that average earnings would be lower by £6,000+ a year. I'd really like to know if Kinky is happy to Scotland £40+ billion worse of each year. Are you going to answer Kinky? What in the hell do people not get i am not gonna answer until you all show me the impact papers saying Scotland will be even worse out of the UK and the EU get them and i will answer What is telling is you all seem so damn happy to see Scotland £12 billion a year worse off staying in your wee Uk hard brexit shame on everyone of you i dont see a family of nations what i see is you happy to see a country take damage to our economy just to keep the fucked up Uk together And now your even lying to. The link to the impact assessment is right at the top of the post you've just replied to and this post to. I've said over and over again that I'm not happy when Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of BREXIT. What I can't understand is why you're having such a big problem saying you don't want to see Scotland £40+ billion worse off. Right so your not happy that Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of brexit? What if that happens then what do you think Scotland should do take it up the arse ? You should work with those of us who are still fighting to make sure it doesn't actually happen and stop trying to use it to further your own independence campaign which that could potentially cost Scotland £40+ billion a year; more than 3 times the cost of BREXIT. To be frank your campaign against the £12 billion BREXIT bill with a solution that would cost £40 billion is really damaging to any credibility in any of your other arguments, including the use of Henry VIII powers (orders in council) in the withdrawal bill." Fucking hell lol Right again what happens if a hard brexit happens and makes Scotland £12 billion a year worse off being in a hard brexit UK ? What then what do you want Scotland to then do ? | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf The link above is to a impact analysis of Scotland leaving the UK. It clearly concludes that the cost to Scotland of such a break would be £40+ billion a year and that average earnings would be lower by £6,000+ a year. I'd really like to know if Kinky is happy to Scotland £40+ billion worse of each year. Are you going to answer Kinky? What in the hell do people not get i am not gonna answer until you all show me the impact papers saying Scotland will be even worse out of the UK and the EU get them and i will answer What is telling is you all seem so damn happy to see Scotland £12 billion a year worse off staying in your wee Uk hard brexit shame on everyone of you i dont see a family of nations what i see is you happy to see a country take damage to our economy just to keep the fucked up Uk together And now your even lying to. The link to the impact assessment is right at the top of the post you've just replied to and this post to. I've said over and over again that I'm not happy when Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of BREXIT. What I can't understand is why you're having such a big problem saying you don't want to see Scotland £40+ billion worse off. Right so your not happy that Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of brexit? What if that happens then what do you think Scotland should do take it up the arse ? You should work with those of us who are still fighting to make sure it doesn't actually happen and stop trying to use it to further your own independence campaign which that could potentially cost Scotland £40+ billion a year; more than 3 times the cost of BREXIT. To be frank your campaign against the £12 billion BREXIT bill with a solution that would cost £40 billion is really damaging to any credibility in any of your other arguments, including the use of Henry VIII powers (orders in council) in the withdrawal bill. Fucking hell lol Right again what happens if a hard brexit happens and makes Scotland £12 billion a year worse off being in a hard brexit UK ? What then what do you want Scotland to then do ? " I don't think It's actually going to happen but, if it does, a solution that would be more than 3 times worse wouldn't make it any better, would it? | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf The link above is to a impact analysis of Scotland leaving the UK. It clearly concludes that the cost to Scotland of such a break would be £40+ billion a year and that average earnings would be lower by £6,000+ a year. I'd really like to know if Kinky is happy to Scotland £40+ billion worse of each year. Are you going to answer Kinky? What in the hell do people not get i am not gonna answer until you all show me the impact papers saying Scotland will be even worse out of the UK and the EU get them and i will answer What is telling is you all seem so damn happy to see Scotland £12 billion a year worse off staying in your wee Uk hard brexit shame on everyone of you i dont see a family of nations what i see is you happy to see a country take damage to our economy just to keep the fucked up Uk together And now your even lying to. The link to the impact assessment is right at the top of the post you've just replied to and this post to. I've said over and over again that I'm not happy when Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of BREXIT. What I can't understand is why you're having such a big problem saying you don't want to see Scotland £40+ billion worse off. Right so your not happy that Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of brexit? What if that happens then what do you think Scotland should do take it up the arse ? You should work with those of us who are still fighting to make sure it doesn't actually happen and stop trying to use it to further your own independence campaign which that could potentially cost Scotland £40+ billion a year; more than 3 times the cost of BREXIT. To be frank your campaign against the £12 billion BREXIT bill with a solution that would cost £40 billion is really damaging to any credibility in any of your other arguments, including the use of Henry VIII powers (orders in council) in the withdrawal bill. Fucking hell lol Right again what happens if a hard brexit happens and makes Scotland £12 billion a year worse off being in a hard brexit UK ? What then what do you want Scotland to then do ? I don't think It's actually going to happen but, if it does, a solution that would be more than 3 times worse wouldn't make it any better, would it?" Right so what i take from that is you are saying if a hard brexit happens you are willing to accept damage to Scotlands economy and being £12billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit correct ? | |||
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"Kinky, can I rephrase the question to something a bit more generic ? I don’t think the costs (tarrifs, frictional etc) of having WTO agreements with ones number one export region is worth the perceived benefit of sovereignty and autonomy. So if I could choose between the two I’d stick with a nice free trade agreement. " Now go back and answer my question | |||
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"Kinky, can I rephrase the question to something a bit more generic ? I don’t think the costs (tarrifs, frictional etc) of having WTO agreements with ones number one export region is worth the perceived benefit of sovereignty and autonomy. So if I could choose between the two I’d stick with a nice free trade agreement. Now go back and answer my question " in fact i am all for proposing we boycott any further kinky postings until they answer the 40 billion pound question.... who's with me! | |||
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"Kinky, can I rephrase the question to something a bit more generic ? I don’t think the costs (tarrifs, frictional etc) of having WTO agreements with ones number one export region is worth the perceived benefit of sovereignty and autonomy. So if I could choose between the two I’d stick with a nice free trade agreement. Now go back and answer my question in fact i am all for proposing we boycott any further kinky postings until they answer the 40 billion pound question.... who's with me! "You do what ever you want but please dont tell others what do to they are adults with their own minds and can choice for themselves ok lol No one is forcing anyone to comment | |||
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"swing low............. sweet chariot......" Ah i see Fabio going down the road of the famous tweet of the woman saying she will boycott virgin trains to then say she will go on them to put daily mail newspapers on them Hint Fabio if your going to boycott something that means you dont go on and type in the thread you are suppose to be boycotting lol | |||
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" No one is forcing anyone to comment" Except "Now go back and answer my question" Until you realise that 12bn isn’t the cost of keeping Scotland in the UK under hard brexit but the cost of hard brexit if Scotland is in the uk then there is no hope for this thread. The really embarrassing thing is you’re not even presenting a question the SNP are saying the paper answers. Or the papers themselves. But as you’re entrenched in this hole you’ve dug I realise the debate cant evolve. | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf The link above is to a impact analysis of Scotland leaving the UK. It clearly concludes that the cost to Scotland of such a break would be £40+ billion a year and that average earnings would be lower by £6,000+ a year. I'd really like to know if Kinky is happy to Scotland £40+ billion worse of each year. Are you going to answer Kinky? What in the hell do people not get i am not gonna answer until you all show me the impact papers saying Scotland will be even worse out of the UK and the EU get them and i will answer What is telling is you all seem so damn happy to see Scotland £12 billion a year worse off staying in your wee Uk hard brexit shame on everyone of you i dont see a family of nations what i see is you happy to see a country take damage to our economy just to keep the fucked up Uk together And now your even lying to. The link to the impact assessment is right at the top of the post you've just replied to and this post to. I've said over and over again that I'm not happy when Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of BREXIT. What I can't understand is why you're having such a big problem saying you don't want to see Scotland £40+ billion worse off. Right so your not happy that Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of brexit? What if that happens then what do you think Scotland should do take it up the arse ? You should work with those of us who are still fighting to make sure it doesn't actually happen and stop trying to use it to further your own independence campaign which that could potentially cost Scotland £40+ billion a year; more than 3 times the cost of BREXIT. To be frank your campaign against the £12 billion BREXIT bill with a solution that would cost £40 billion is really damaging to any credibility in any of your other arguments, including the use of Henry VIII powers (orders in council) in the withdrawal bill. Fucking hell lol Right again what happens if a hard brexit happens and makes Scotland £12 billion a year worse off being in a hard brexit UK ? What then what do you want Scotland to then do ? I don't think It's actually going to happen but, if it does, a solution that would be more than 3 times worse wouldn't make it any better, would it? Right so what i take from that is you are saying if a hard brexit happens you are willing to accept damage to Scotlands economy and being £12billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit correct ?" If the choice is between £12 billion for BREXIT or £40 billion for independence I'll go with the lesser of two evils but it seems you're quite happy to Scotland £40 billion a year worse of and average wages reduced by £6,000 per year and you want that cost to Scotland whether the UK is in the EU or not. | |||
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"So how many other think if a hard brexit does infact happen you are willing to accept damage to Scotland's economy being £12 billion a year worse off so you can keep Scotland in the UK ? " £12 billion a year is still less than 1/3 of the £40+ billion a year that the impact statements say breaking up the UK would cost Scotland. Funny how £12 billion damage is unacceptable to you but £40+ billion is fine. A little bit of hypocrisy creeping in, don't you think? | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf The link above is to a impact analysis of Scotland leaving the UK. It clearly concludes that the cost to Scotland of such a break would be £40+ billion a year and that average earnings would be lower by £6,000+ a year. I'd really like to know if Kinky is happy to Scotland £40+ billion worse of each year. Are you going to answer Kinky? What in the hell do people not get i am not gonna answer until you all show me the impact papers saying Scotland will be even worse out of the UK and the EU get them and i will answer What is telling is you all seem so damn happy to see Scotland £12 billion a year worse off staying in your wee Uk hard brexit shame on everyone of you i dont see a family of nations what i see is you happy to see a country take damage to our economy just to keep the fucked up Uk together And now your even lying to. The link to the impact assessment is right at the top of the post you've just replied to and this post to. I've said over and over again that I'm not happy when Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of BREXIT. What I can't understand is why you're having such a big problem saying you don't want to see Scotland £40+ billion worse off. Right so your not happy that Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of brexit? What if that happens then what do you think Scotland should do take it up the arse ? You should work with those of us who are still fighting to make sure it doesn't actually happen and stop trying to use it to further your own independence campaign which that could potentially cost Scotland £40+ billion a year; more than 3 times the cost of BREXIT. To be frank your campaign against the £12 billion BREXIT bill with a solution that would cost £40 billion is really damaging to any credibility in any of your other arguments, including the use of Henry VIII powers (orders in council) in the withdrawal bill. Fucking hell lol Right again what happens if a hard brexit happens and makes Scotland £12 billion a year worse off being in a hard brexit UK ? What then what do you want Scotland to then do ? I don't think It's actually going to happen but, if it does, a solution that would be more than 3 times worse wouldn't make it any better, would it? Right so what i take from that is you are saying if a hard brexit happens you are willing to accept damage to Scotlands economy and being £12billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit correct ? If the choice is between £12 billion for BREXIT or £40 billion for independence I'll go with the lesser of two evils but it seems you're quite happy to Scotland £40 billion a year worse of and average wages reduced by £6,000 per year and you want that cost to Scotland whether the UK is in the EU or not." Lmao read what you are saying you accuse me of being quite happy to Scotland £40 billion a year worse but then you are quite happy to see Scotland £12 billion a year worse off with a hard brexit just to keep Scotland in the UK seriously let that sink fucking in!!! So much for caring about Scotland when your happy enough to accept damage to Scotland's economy | |||
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"Kinky, can I rephrase the question to something a bit more generic ? I don’t think the costs (tarrifs, frictional etc) of having WTO agreements with ones number one export region is worth the perceived benefit of sovereignty and autonomy. So if I could choose between the two I’d stick with a nice free trade agreement. Now go back and answer my question " How you have the nerve to ask anyone to answer your questions when you refuse to answer anyone else's simply stackers belief but I'll try against. Are you happy to accept the £40+ billion a year cost to Scotland for independence that the impact assessment predicts? | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf The link above is to a impact analysis of Scotland leaving the UK. It clearly concludes that the cost to Scotland of such a break would be £40+ billion a year and that average earnings would be lower by £6,000+ a year. I'd really like to know if Kinky is happy to Scotland £40+ billion worse of each year. Are you going to answer Kinky? What in the hell do people not get i am not gonna answer until you all show me the impact papers saying Scotland will be even worse out of the UK and the EU get them and i will answer What is telling is you all seem so damn happy to see Scotland £12 billion a year worse off staying in your wee Uk hard brexit shame on everyone of you i dont see a family of nations what i see is you happy to see a country take damage to our economy just to keep the fucked up Uk together And now your even lying to. The link to the impact assessment is right at the top of the post you've just replied to and this post to. I've said over and over again that I'm not happy when Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of BREXIT. What I can't understand is why you're having such a big problem saying you don't want to see Scotland £40+ billion worse off. Right so your not happy that Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of brexit? What if that happens then what do you think Scotland should do take it up the arse ? You should work with those of us who are still fighting to make sure it doesn't actually happen and stop trying to use it to further your own independence campaign which that could potentially cost Scotland £40+ billion a year; more than 3 times the cost of BREXIT. To be frank your campaign against the £12 billion BREXIT bill with a solution that would cost £40 billion is really damaging to any credibility in any of your other arguments, including the use of Henry VIII powers (orders in council) in the withdrawal bill. Fucking hell lol Right again what happens if a hard brexit happens and makes Scotland £12 billion a year worse off being in a hard brexit UK ? What then what do you want Scotland to then do ? I don't think It's actually going to happen but, if it does, a solution that would be more than 3 times worse wouldn't make it any better, would it? Right so what i take from that is you are saying if a hard brexit happens you are willing to accept damage to Scotlands economy and being £12billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit correct ? If the choice is between £12 billion for BREXIT or £40 billion for independence I'll go with the lesser of two evils but it seems you're quite happy to Scotland £40 billion a year worse of and average wages reduced by £6,000 per year and you want that cost to Scotland whether the UK is in the EU or not. Lmao read what you are saying you accuse me of being quite happy to Scotland £40 billion a year worse but then you are quite happy to see Scotland £12 billion a year worse off with a hard brexit just to keep Scotland in the UK seriously let that sink fucking in!!! So much for caring about Scotland when your happy enough to accept damage to Scotland's economy " You can keep twisting what I say as much as you like but I'll just keep saying I'm not happy to see Scotland £12 billion worse of as a result of BREXIT nor £40+ billion worse of as a result of BREXIT but if it's a choice of £12 billion worse of or £40+ billion worse off I'd chose the £12 billion. The question is for you to answer which you would chose, £40 billion or £12 billion. | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf The link above is to a impact analysis of Scotland leaving the UK. It clearly concludes that the cost to Scotland of such a break would be £40+ billion a year and that average earnings would be lower by £6,000+ a year. I'd really like to know if Kinky is happy to Scotland £40+ billion worse of each year. Are you going to answer Kinky? What in the hell do people not get i am not gonna answer until you all show me the impact papers saying Scotland will be even worse out of the UK and the EU get them and i will answer What is telling is you all seem so damn happy to see Scotland £12 billion a year worse off staying in your wee Uk hard brexit shame on everyone of you i dont see a family of nations what i see is you happy to see a country take damage to our economy just to keep the fucked up Uk together And now your even lying to. The link to the impact assessment is right at the top of the post you've just replied to and this post to. I've said over and over again that I'm not happy when Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of BREXIT. What I can't understand is why you're having such a big problem saying you don't want to see Scotland £40+ billion worse off. Right so your not happy that Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of brexit? What if that happens then what do you think Scotland should do take it up the arse ? You should work with those of us who are still fighting to make sure it doesn't actually happen and stop trying to use it to further your own independence campaign which that could potentially cost Scotland £40+ billion a year; more than 3 times the cost of BREXIT. To be frank your campaign against the £12 billion BREXIT bill with a solution that would cost £40 billion is really damaging to any credibility in any of your other arguments, including the use of Henry VIII powers (orders in council) in the withdrawal bill. Fucking hell lol Right again what happens if a hard brexit happens and makes Scotland £12 billion a year worse off being in a hard brexit UK ? What then what do you want Scotland to then do ? I don't think It's actually going to happen but, if it does, a solution that would be more than 3 times worse wouldn't make it any better, would it? Right so what i take from that is you are saying if a hard brexit happens you are willing to accept damage to Scotlands economy and being £12billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit correct ? If the choice is between £12 billion for BREXIT or £40 billion for independence I'll go with the lesser of two evils but it seems you're quite happy to Scotland £40 billion a year worse of and average wages reduced by £6,000 per year and you want that cost to Scotland whether the UK is in the EU or not. Lmao read what you are saying you accuse me of being quite happy to Scotland £40 billion a year worse but then you are quite happy to see Scotland £12 billion a year worse off with a hard brexit just to keep Scotland in the UK seriously let that sink fucking in!!! So much for caring about Scotland when your happy enough to accept damage to Scotland's economy You can keep twisting what I say as much as you like but I'll just keep saying I'm not happy to see Scotland £12 billion worse of as a result of BREXIT nor £40+ billion worse of as a result of BREXIT but if it's a choice of £12 billion worse of or £40+ billion worse off I'd chose the £12 billion. The question is for you to answer which you would chose, £40 billion or £12 billion." Now i am twisting it ? Really ''I'd chose the £12 billion'' So yes you are willing to accept Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off not my word that is you actually saying that. So if it is a hard brexit and Scotland is £12 billion a year worse off what do you think Scotland should do to make sure this does not happen ? | |||
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"Kinky, can I rephrase the question to something a bit more generic ? I don’t think the costs (tarrifs, frictional etc) of having WTO agreements with ones number one export region is worth the perceived benefit of sovereignty and autonomy. So if I could choose between the two I’d stick with a nice free trade agreement. Now go back and answer my question in fact i am all for proposing we boycott any further kinky postings until they answer the 40 billion pound question.... who's with me! "They still haven't answered how many royal navy ships are being built on the Clyde either. | |||
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"Ah i see this has people stumped So if it is a hard brexit and Scotland is £12 billion a year worse off what do you think Scotland should do to make sure this does not happen ?" look at the underlying drivers for these costs. Influence the political agenda to avoid them. When on fire seek to put it out. Not add fuel. | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf The link above is to a impact analysis of Scotland leaving the UK. It clearly concludes that the cost to Scotland of such a break would be £40+ billion a year and that average earnings would be lower by £6,000+ a year. I'd really like to know if Kinky is happy to Scotland £40+ billion worse of each year. Are you going to answer Kinky? What in the hell do people not get i am not gonna answer until you all show me the impact papers saying Scotland will be even worse out of the UK and the EU get them and i will answer What is telling is you all seem so damn happy to see Scotland £12 billion a year worse off staying in your wee Uk hard brexit shame on everyone of you i dont see a family of nations what i see is you happy to see a country take damage to our economy just to keep the fucked up Uk together And now your even lying to. The link to the impact assessment is right at the top of the post you've just replied to and this post to. I've said over and over again that I'm not happy when Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of BREXIT. What I can't understand is why you're having such a big problem saying you don't want to see Scotland £40+ billion worse off. Right so your not happy that Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of brexit? What if that happens then what do you think Scotland should do take it up the arse ? You should work with those of us who are still fighting to make sure it doesn't actually happen and stop trying to use it to further your own independence campaign which that could potentially cost Scotland £40+ billion a year; more than 3 times the cost of BREXIT. To be frank your campaign against the £12 billion BREXIT bill with a solution that would cost £40 billion is really damaging to any credibility in any of your other arguments, including the use of Henry VIII powers (orders in council) in the withdrawal bill. Fucking hell lol Right again what happens if a hard brexit happens and makes Scotland £12 billion a year worse off being in a hard brexit UK ? What then what do you want Scotland to then do ? I don't think It's actually going to happen but, if it does, a solution that would be more than 3 times worse wouldn't make it any better, would it? Right so what i take from that is you are saying if a hard brexit happens you are willing to accept damage to Scotlands economy and being £12billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit correct ? If the choice is between £12 billion for BREXIT or £40 billion for independence I'll go with the lesser of two evils but it seems you're quite happy to Scotland £40 billion a year worse of and average wages reduced by £6,000 per year and you want that cost to Scotland whether the UK is in the EU or not. Lmao read what you are saying you accuse me of being quite happy to Scotland £40 billion a year worse but then you are quite happy to see Scotland £12 billion a year worse off with a hard brexit just to keep Scotland in the UK seriously let that sink fucking in!!! So much for caring about Scotland when your happy enough to accept damage to Scotland's economy You can keep twisting what I say as much as you like but I'll just keep saying I'm not happy to see Scotland £12 billion worse of as a result of BREXIT nor £40+ billion worse of as a result of BREXIT but if it's a choice of £12 billion worse of or £40+ billion worse off I'd chose the £12 billion. The question is for you to answer which you would chose, £40 billion or £12 billion. Now i am twisting it ? Really ''I'd chose the £12 billion'' So yes you are willing to accept Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off not my word that is you actually saying that. So if it is a hard brexit and Scotland is £12 billion a year worse off what do you think Scotland should do to make sure this does not happen ? " I've already answered that question but I'm still waiting for your answer this very simple question:- Are you willing to accept a loss to Scotland of £40 billion from independence to try and avoid a loss of £40 billion to Scotland from BREXIT? | |||
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"Ah i see this has people stumped So if it is a hard brexit and Scotland is £12 billion a year worse off what do you think Scotland should do to make sure this does not happen ?" I and others have answered this question for you many times already but I'll do it again in case you missed it. You should camping and fight with the rest of us who oppose BREXIT against a hard BREXIT. The UK avoiding a hard BREXIT, or even BREXIT all together, is the best way for Scotland to avoid a hard BREXIT. Nicola recognises this, why can't you? I'm still waiting for you to answer the simple question:- Are you willing to accept a £40+ billion loss per year to Scotland from independence to try to stop a £12 billion loss per year to Scotland from BREXIT? YES or NO? | |||
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"Fucking hell your not getting it Again say when the final deal is known and it's signed off that's it a hard brexit and Scotland is £12 billion a year worse off What then ? Say the UK government are not for changing and it's a hard brexit and that's it do you really want Scotland to suffer just to keep the UK together? You do know Scotland has a mandate for an independence referendum? And we do have a way out of the brexit mess " What then? Scotland gets to chose if they want to be £12bn poorer, or £40bn poorer. Which would you chose? | |||
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"Question to everyone If your not happy that Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of brexit? What if that happens then what do you think Scotland should do? Why the fuck should anyone bother to give you the time of day... all you do if fire of question after twisted question but refuse to answer anything meaningful yourself. Pathetic "hello no one is forcing you to comment lol | |||
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"Fucking hell your not getting it Again say when the final deal is known and it's signed off that's it a hard brexit and Scotland is £12 billion a year worse off What then ? Say the UK government are not for changing and it's a hard brexit and that's it do you really want Scotland to suffer just to keep the UK together? You do know Scotland has a mandate for an independence referendum? And we do have a way out of the brexit mess What then? Scotland gets to chose if they want to be £12bn poorer, or £40bn poorer. Which would you chose? " That's not answering So again say it's a hard brexit and the UK government are not for changing and that's it hard brexit then what ? Are people really saying they want Scotland to suffer being £12 billion a year worse off ? | |||
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"Question to everyone If your not happy that Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of brexit? What if that happens then what do you think Scotland should do?" We shound strive to make our country great again. We shouldn't be more divisive and possibly plunge us into being another £40 billion worse off. Kinky are you happy to make us scots £40 billion poorer to see your dream of independence come true | |||
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"Fucking hell your not getting it Again say when the final deal is known and it's signed off that's it a hard brexit and Scotland is £12 billion a year worse off What then ? Say the UK government are not for changing and it's a hard brexit and that's it do you really want Scotland to suffer just to keep the UK together? You do know Scotland has a mandate for an independence referendum? And we do have a way out of the brexit mess " I totally get it and have fully answered your questions on this matter very clearly and succinctly. I really don't think anybody reading this thread would have any confusion at all as to exactly where I stanf on this matter. It now remains for you to answer the question. Would you prefer to see Scotland worse off by £12 Billion as a result of BREXIT or £40 Billion as a result of independence? | |||
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"Question to everyone If your not happy that Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off as a result of brexit? What if that happens then what do you think Scotland should do? Why the fuck should anyone bother to give you the time of day... all you do if fire of question after twisted question but refuse to answer anything meaningful yourself. Pathetic hello no one is forcing you to comment lol
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"Fucking hell your not getting it Again say when the final deal is known and it's signed off that's it a hard brexit and Scotland is £12 billion a year worse off What then ? Say the UK government are not for changing and it's a hard brexit and that's it do you really want Scotland to suffer just to keep the UK together? You do know Scotland has a mandate for an independence referendum? And we do have a way out of the brexit mess What then? Scotland gets to chose if they want to be £12bn poorer, or £40bn poorer. Which would you chose? That's not answering So again say it's a hard brexit and the UK government are not for changing and that's it hard brexit then what ? Are people really saying they want Scotland to suffer being £12 billion a year worse off ? " Are you really saying you want Scotland to suffer being £40+ billion a year worse of? It's looking very much like you do. | |||
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"Yeah it's clear most on here accept if a hard brexit happens then you are all for accepting Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off And when asked what do you think Scotland should do if faced with a hard brexit and the UK government are not for changing on the hard brexit none of you have an answer so your willing to see Scotland suffer to keep the UK together All I keep getting is give up on Independence and fight with us to stop a hard brexit so what happens if it IS a hard brexit then what just accept it and for Scotland to do fuck all about it ? You may not like it but Scotland has a mandate for an independence referendum voted by the people and Holyrpod and sorry it we ain't hanging about waiting to see if England changes it's mind as you know full well that might not happen so why should Scotland suffer for something the majority in Scotland never voted for ?" Stop trying to twist what's been said and answer the question. Are you happy to see Scotland £40 billion a year worse off? Yes or No? | |||
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"Yeah it's clear most on here accept if a hard brexit happens then you are all for accepting Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off And when asked what do you think Scotland should do if faced with a hard brexit and the UK government are not for changing on the hard brexit none of you have an answer so your willing to see Scotland suffer to keep the UK together All I keep getting is give up on Independence and fight with us to stop a hard brexit so what happens if it IS a hard brexit then what just accept it and for Scotland to do fuck all about it ? You may not like it but Scotland has a mandate for an independence referendum voted by the people and Holyrpod and sorry it we ain't hanging about waiting to see if England changes it's mind as you know full well that might not happen so why should Scotland suffer for something the majority in Scotland never voted for ? Stop trying to twist what's been said and answer the question. Are you happy to see Scotland £40 billion a year worse off? Yes or No?" How am i twisting it? I asked you if there was a hard brexit and it wont be changed what do you want Scotland to do just suffer being £12 billion a year worse off ? | |||
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"This is what is happening now i know people outside of England may not know what the feeling is in Scotland but i can assure you we in Scotland are not fucking happy The Tories have just voted to overturn the ‘Everything not reserved is devolved’ principle of the 1998 Scotland act. The dismantling of devolution in Scotland has begun. There’s only one way to stop it can you guess ? Oh and its not for anyone living outside Scotland to decide thats for us to decide afraid " A quote from today's Wings over Scotland: "...Scottish Tory MPs voted to oppose an amendment which would have protected the central building block of Scottish (and Welsh) devolution – the principle that any powers not explicitly reserved are devolved – from the UK government’s attempted huge power grab under the cover of Brexit." I wonder if kinky has ever had an original thought in their entire lives. | |||
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"This is what is happening now i know people outside of England may not know what the feeling is in Scotland but i can assure you we in Scotland are not fucking happy The Tories have just voted to overturn the ‘Everything not reserved is devolved’ principle of the 1998 Scotland act. The dismantling of devolution in Scotland has begun. There’s only one way to stop it can you guess ? Oh and its not for anyone living outside Scotland to decide thats for us to decide afraid A quote from today's Wings over Scotland: "...Scottish Tory MPs voted to oppose an amendment which would have protected the central building block of Scottish (and Welsh) devolution – the principle that any powers not explicitly reserved are devolved – from the UK government’s attempted huge power grab under the cover of Brexit." I wonder if kinky has ever had an original thought in their entire lives. "Fucking hell 1 he is not wrong that statement is true thats is what is happening Are you saying you couldnt give a flying fuck about the Scotland Act 1998 ? 2. i didnt get that quote from Wings nice try though See this proves how much unionists hate Wings does it not register in heeds there is more than Wings over Scotland for pro indy websites and blogs ? Lol | |||
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"1) why would they continue to devolve powers as in the 2016 scotland act if the whole plan is to try and revoke the 1998 scotland act.... 2) in PMQ's the afternoon when asked by a snp mp this question of power grab, said this is wrong, and they are going to bring forth further legistlation to devolve more powers and are in discussions for the devolved administrations with regard to how to devolve further..... so....... how about actually answering the 40 billion question finally....." 1. Everything not reserved is devolved’ principle of the 1998 Scotland act what in the hell is so hard to understand about that ? Unless thats the game scrap Holyrood and make Scotland suffer the Tories 2. Wow Fabio defending a Tory ? So when i Tory promises something you believe them 100% eh ? Yet none of you can name a single power the Tories will return to Holyrood And when asked what non devolved powers they will give Scotland in this so called great powers bonanza again you can name a single power but oh no the Tories say they will say that must be damn well gospel | |||
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"This is what is happening now i know people outside of England may not know what the feeling is in Scotland but i can assure you we in Scotland are not fucking happy The Tories have just voted to overturn the ‘Everything not reserved is devolved’ principle of the 1998 Scotland act. The dismantling of devolution in Scotland has begun. There’s only one way to stop it can you guess ? Oh and its not for anyone living outside Scotland to decide thats for us to decide afraid A quote from today's Wings over Scotland: "...Scottish Tory MPs voted to oppose an amendment which would have protected the central building block of Scottish (and Welsh) devolution – the principle that any powers not explicitly reserved are devolved – from the UK government’s attempted huge power grab under the cover of Brexit." I wonder if kinky has ever had an original thought in their entire lives.
Fucking hell
1 he is not wrong that statement is true thats is what is happening
Are you saying you couldnt give a flying fuck about the Scotland Act 1998 ?
2. i didnt get that quote from Wings nice try though
See this proves how much unionists hate Wings
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"This is what is happening now i know people outside of England may not know what the feeling is in Scotland but i can assure you we in Scotland are not fucking happy The Tories have just voted to overturn the ‘Everything not reserved is devolved’ principle of the 1998 Scotland act. The dismantling of devolution in Scotland has begun. There’s only one way to stop it can you guess ? Oh and its not for anyone living outside Scotland to decide thats for us to decide afraid A quote from today's Wings over Scotland: "...Scottish Tory MPs voted to oppose an amendment which would have protected the central building block of Scottish (and Welsh) devolution – the principle that any powers not explicitly reserved are devolved – from the UK government’s attempted huge power grab under the cover of Brexit." I wonder if kinky has ever had an original thought in their entire lives.
Fucking hell
1 he is not wrong that statement is true thats is what is happening
Are you saying you couldnt give a flying fuck about the Scotland Act 1998 ?
2. i didnt get that quote from Wings nice try though
See this proves how much unionists hate Wings
does it not register in heeds there is more than Wings over Scotland for pro indy websites and blogs ? Lol
No, of course you didn't, just a pure coincidence that you use exactly the same phrase!
"Paranoid much ? Again there is more than one pro indy website out there for example ever heard of Bella Caledonia ? The Wee Ginger Dug ? Of course you haven't because unionists so their pure hatred for Wings over Scotland as he really exposes the unionist lies and unionists cannot just ignore him but they hate that he is exposing their lies and want to gag him | |||
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"This is what is happening now i know people outside of England may not know what the feeling is in Scotland but i can assure you we in Scotland are not fucking happy The Tories have just voted to overturn the ‘Everything not reserved is devolved’ principle of the 1998 Scotland act. The dismantling of devolution in Scotland has begun. There’s only one way to stop it can you guess ? Oh and its not for anyone living outside Scotland to decide thats for us to decide afraid A quote from today's Wings over Scotland: "...Scottish Tory MPs voted to oppose an amendment which would have protected the central building block of Scottish (and Welsh) devolution – the principle that any powers not explicitly reserved are devolved – from the UK government’s attempted huge power grab under the cover of Brexit." I wonder if kinky has ever had an original thought in their entire lives.
Fucking hell
1 he is not wrong that statement is true thats is what is happening
Are you saying you couldnt give a flying fuck about the Scotland Act 1998 ?
2. i didnt get that quote from Wings nice try though
See this proves how much unionists hate Wings
does it not register in heeds there is more than Wings over Scotland for pro indy websites and blogs ? Lol
No, of course you didn't, just a pure coincidence that you use exactly the same phrase!
Paranoid much ?
Again there is more than one pro indy website out there
for example ever heard of Bella Caledonia ? The Wee Ginger Dug ?
Of course you haven't because unionists so their pure hatred for Wings over Scotland as he really exposes the unionist lies and unionists cannot just ignore him but they hate that he is exposing their lies and want to gag him
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"1) why would they continue to devolve powers as in the 2016 scotland act if the whole plan is to try and revoke the 1998 scotland act.... 2) in PMQ's the afternoon when asked by a snp mp this question of power grab, said this is wrong, and they are going to bring forth further legistlation to devolve more powers and are in discussions for the devolved administrations with regard to how to devolve further..... so....... how about actually answering the 40 billion question finally..... 1. Everything not reserved is devolved’ principle of the 1998 Scotland act what in the hell is so hard to understand about that ? Unless thats the game scrap Holyrood and make Scotland suffer the Tories 2. Wow Fabio defending a Tory ? So when i Tory promises something you believe them 100% eh ? Yet none of you can name a single power the Tories will return to Holyrood And when asked what non devolved powers they will give Scotland in this so called great powers bonanza again you can name a single power but oh no the Tories say they will say that must be damn well gospel " no, i am not defending the tory party.... i am defending the principle of devolution and not any particular party... and since the 2016 scotland act went thru parliament and was voted for by ALL PARTIES based on the recommendations of the ALL PARTY smith commission (of which actually your current SNP deputy john swinney was a member of the 10 person committee.....) and please can you tell me any devolved government worldwide that have the following... constitutional matters. defence and national security. foreign policy. immigration and nationality. economic and monetary policy (other than tax-varying power) energy: electricity, coal, gas and nuclear power. employment legislation. it will be a very short list.............
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"Paranoid Here is the real issue thats went right over your heed the 13 Scottish Tory branch office Mps voted to overturn the ‘Everything not reserved is devolved’ principle of the 1998 Scotland act But CLCC you want that right ? You think Holyrood is some made up bullshit correct ? You seem to think Westminster is the real parilament and Holyrood is a joke ? " no what i think they are saying is that you blame westminster for eveything and give holyrood a free pass.......... 20 years of governing yourselves and you still blame those "nasty english people"........ when 95% of all decisions that affect you are made in edinburgh..... and you wonder why people think (rightly) you are so anti english..... | |||
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"1) why would they continue to devolve powers as in the 2016 scotland act if the whole plan is to try and revoke the 1998 scotland act.... 2) in PMQ's the afternoon when asked by a snp mp this question of power grab, said this is wrong, and they are going to bring forth further legistlation to devolve more powers and are in discussions for the devolved administrations with regard to how to devolve further..... so....... how about actually answering the 40 billion question finally..... 1. Everything not reserved is devolved’ principle of the 1998 Scotland act what in the hell is so hard to understand about that ? Unless thats the game scrap Holyrood and make Scotland suffer the Tories 2. Wow Fabio defending a Tory ? So when i Tory promises something you believe them 100% eh ? Yet none of you can name a single power the Tories will return to Holyrood And when asked what non devolved powers they will give Scotland in this so called great powers bonanza again you can name a single power but oh no the Tories say they will say that must be damn well gospel no, i am not defending the tory party.... i am defending the principle of devolution and not any particular party... and since the 2016 scotland act went thru parliament and was voted for by ALL PARTIES based on the recommendations of the ALL PARTY smith commission (of which actually your current SNP deputy john swinney was a member of the 10 person committee.....) and please can you tell me any devolved government worldwide that have the following... constitutional matters. defence and national security. foreign policy. immigration and nationality. economic and monetary policy (other than tax-varying power) energy: electricity, coal, gas and nuclear power. employment legislation. it will be a very short list.............
you want things devolved to scotland that not even the snp want devolved..... and the scottish devolved administration had a lot more powers that most administrations do world wide...."Fucking hell here we go again This SNP wanted these to be devolved Income tax Inheritance tax Capital gains National insurance APD Corporation tax Wealth tax Aggregates levy Business rates They want immigration Employment Energy constitutional matters also to be devolved And again pointing this out everthing not reserved is devolved that is the key principle of the 1998 Scotland act unless Fabio you are about to tell us the Scotland is a piece of shite and therefore its a breach lol | |||
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"1) why would they continue to devolve powers as in the 2016 scotland act if the whole plan is to try and revoke the 1998 scotland act.... 2) in PMQ's the afternoon when asked by a snp mp this question of power grab, said this is wrong, and they are going to bring forth further legistlation to devolve more powers and are in discussions for the devolved administrations with regard to how to devolve further..... so....... how about actually answering the 40 billion question finally..... 1. Everything not reserved is devolved’ principle of the 1998 Scotland act what in the hell is so hard to understand about that ? Unless thats the game scrap Holyrood and make Scotland suffer the Tories 2. Wow Fabio defending a Tory ? So when i Tory promises something you believe them 100% eh ? Yet none of you can name a single power the Tories will return to Holyrood And when asked what non devolved powers they will give Scotland in this so called great powers bonanza again you can name a single power but oh no the Tories say they will say that must be damn well gospel no, i am not defending the tory party.... i am defending the principle of devolution and not any particular party... and since the 2016 scotland act went thru parliament and was voted for by ALL PARTIES based on the recommendations of the ALL PARTY smith commission (of which actually your current SNP deputy john swinney was a member of the 10 person committee.....) and please can you tell me any devolved government worldwide that have the following... constitutional matters. defence and national security. foreign policy. immigration and nationality. economic and monetary policy (other than tax-varying power) energy: electricity, coal, gas and nuclear power. employment legislation. it will be a very short list.............
you want things devolved to scotland that not even the snp want devolved..... and the scottish devolved administration had a lot more powers that most administrations do world wide....
Fucking hell here we go again
This SNP wanted these to be devolved
Income tax
Inheritance tax
Capital gains
National insurance
APD
Corporation tax
Wealth tax
Aggregates levy
Business rates
They want immigration
Employment
Energy
constitutional matters also to be devolved
And again pointing this out everthing not reserved is devolved that is the key principle of the 1998 Scotland act unless Fabio you are about to tell us the Scotland is a piece of shite and therefore its a breach lol
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"Paranoid Here is the real issue thats went right over your heed the 13 Scottish Tory branch office Mps voted to overturn the ‘Everything not reserved is devolved’ principle of the 1998 Scotland act But CLCC you want that right ? You think Holyrood is some made up bullshit correct ? You seem to think Westminster is the real parilament and Holyrood is a joke ? no what i think they are saying is that you blame westminster for eveything and give holyrood a free pass.......... 20 years of governing yourselves and you still blame those "nasty english people"........ when 95% of all decisions that affect you are made in edinburgh..... and you wonder why people think (rightly) you are so anti english....." Stop with anti English shite please for the love god stop with that shite Its not about being anti English get it into your heed i am anti Westminster everything about Westminster i fucking hate i want our Scottish government to be in full control over every power you know that thing called independence i want no part of the corruption riddled in Westminster I dont hate or have a problem with people in England so get that shit stopped Got you would think its a crime to want to see the country you live Scotland btw independent just as i want to see England independent too lol | |||
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"£12bn poorer, or £40bn poorer. Which do you want? " What dont you get You go and find me impact papers that claim Scotland will be 100% worse off out of the IK and EU then i shall answer None of you know what an independent Scotland would look like So back to it are people on here defending the Tories voting to overturn the ‘Everything not reserved is devolved the principle of the 1998 Scotland act? | |||
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"£12bn poorer, or £40bn poorer. Which do you want? What dont you get You go and find me impact papers that claim Scotland will be 100% worse off out of the IK and EU then i shall answer None of you know what an independent Scotland would look like So back to it are people on here defending the Tories voting to overturn the ‘Everything not reserved is devolved the principle of the 1998 Scotland act? " https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf | |||
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"Yeah it's clear most on here accept if a hard brexit happens then you are all for accepting Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off And when asked what do you think Scotland should do if faced with a hard brexit and the UK government are not for changing on the hard brexit none of you have an answer so your willing to see Scotland suffer to keep the UK together All I keep getting is give up on Independence and fight with us to stop a hard brexit so what happens if it IS a hard brexit then what just accept it and for Scotland to do fuck all about it ? You may not like it but Scotland has a mandate for an independence referendum voted by the people and Holyrpod and sorry it we ain't hanging about waiting to see if England changes it's mind as you know full well that might not happen so why should Scotland suffer for something the majority in Scotland never voted for ? Stop trying to twist what's been said and answer the question. Are you happy to see Scotland £40 billion a year worse off? Yes or No? How am i twisting it? I asked you if there was a hard brexit and it wont be changed what do you want Scotland to do just suffer being £12 billion a year worse off ? " I've repeatedly answered this question and, just because it's not the answer you want to hear, I'm not going to change it. Maybe you should answer your own question yourself as you seem unwilling or unable to answer anyone else's. So Kinky, if there is a hard BREXIT and it won't be changed what do you want Scotland to do? Suffer being £12 billion worse off or achieve independence and suffer being £40+ worse off. My answer to your question is honest, simple and succinct, I'd choose to be £12 billion worse off rather than £40 billion. Why don't you have the courage of your own convictions and give us all an honest, simple and succinct answer to? | |||
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"Yeah it's clear most on here accept if a hard brexit happens then you are all for accepting Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off And when asked what do you think Scotland should do if faced with a hard brexit and the UK government are not for changing on the hard brexit none of you have an answer so your willing to see Scotland suffer to keep the UK together All I keep getting is give up on Independence and fight with us to stop a hard brexit so what happens if it IS a hard brexit then what just accept it and for Scotland to do fuck all about it ? You may not like it but Scotland has a mandate for an independence referendum voted by the people and Holyrpod and sorry it we ain't hanging about waiting to see if England changes it's mind as you know full well that might not happen so why should Scotland suffer for something the majority in Scotland never voted for ? Stop trying to twist what's been said and answer the question. Are you happy to see Scotland £40 billion a year worse off? Yes or No? How am i twisting it? I asked you if there was a hard brexit and it wont be changed what do you want Scotland to do just suffer being £12 billion a year worse off ? I've repeatedly answered this question and, just because it's not the answer you want to hear, I'm not going to change it. Maybe you should answer your own question yourself as you seem unwilling or unable to answer anyone else's. So Kinky, if there is a hard BREXIT and it won't be changed what do you want Scotland to do? Suffer being £12 billion worse off or achieve independence and suffer being £40+ worse off. My answer to your question is honest, simple and succinct, I'd choose to be £12 billion worse off rather than £40 billion. Why don't you have the courage of your own convictions and give us all an honest, simple and succinct answer to? " Right so you are saying you would be more than happy if its a hard brexit to see Scotland £12billion a year worse off and dont want Scotland to do a damn thing about it ? Yup sounds about right so it really is save the Uk union at any cost even if it means causing damage to Scotland economy Again i will point this out anyone living outside of Scotland out want get to decide Scotland future we will and if faced with a hard brexit then Scotland has the right to hold an independence referendum on Scottish independence you may not like it but hey thats democracy What you so afraid of to give Scotlands people the choice to decide our own future ? Made up numbers you are putting out there as you none of know what an independent Scotland would like oh and before anyone goes down that GERS road no that what Scotland looks like in the UK and does NOT show you what an independent Scotland would look like Panic stations at the thought Scotland could leave this brexit mess and your stuck with it i get it if you aee panicking move to Scitland then you would be more than welcome | |||
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"£12bn poorer, or £40bn poorer. Which do you want? What dont you get You go and find me impact papers that claim Scotland will be 100% worse off out of the IK and EU then i shall answer None of you know what an independent Scotland would look like So back to it are people on here defending the Tories voting to overturn the ‘Everything not reserved is devolved the principle of the 1998 Scotland act? https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf" Theres the impact paper. Now answer the question. Do you want Scotland to be £12bn poorer, or 40bn poorer? | |||
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"£12bn poorer, or £40bn poorer. Which do you want? What dont you get You go and find me impact papers that claim Scotland will be 100% worse off out of the IK and EU then i shall answer None of you know what an independent Scotland would look like So back to it are people on here defending the Tories voting to overturn the ‘Everything not reserved is devolved the principle of the 1998 Scotland act? https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf Theres the impact paper. Now answer the question. Do you want Scotland to be £12bn poorer, or 40bn poorer?" No its not stop bullshitting Sept 2013 We are in 2018 Now where is the impact papers that say Scotland will be even more worse off out the UK and the EU ? You have none admit it i know the game afraid to lose Scotland and its money so what you doing is saying nope we dont want Scotland leave and if its a hard brexit tough Scotland you will suffer £12Billion a year worse off as we want to keep you tied down to this Uk union no matter what thats real truth Like its a ficking crime to want your country to be independent and not to be told from Westminster what money we get and what powers we get people in Scotland have had enough of this Westminster bullshit and want fuck all to do with it | |||
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"£12bn poorer, or £40bn poorer. Which do you want? What dont you get You go and find me impact papers that claim Scotland will be 100% worse off out of the IK and EU then i shall answer None of you know what an independent Scotland would look like So back to it are people on here defending the Tories voting to overturn the ‘Everything not reserved is devolved the principle of the 1998 Scotland act? https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf Theres the impact paper. Now answer the question. Do you want Scotland to be £12bn poorer, or 40bn poorer?" Come on OP, we are waiting! | |||
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"£12bn poorer, or £40bn poorer. Which do you want? What dont you get You go and find me impact papers that claim Scotland will be 100% worse off out of the IK and EU then i shall answer None of you know what an independent Scotland would look like So back to it are people on here defending the Tories voting to overturn the ‘Everything not reserved is devolved the principle of the 1998 Scotland act? https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf Theres the impact paper. Now answer the question. Do you want Scotland to be £12bn poorer, or 40bn poorer? Come on OP, we are waiting! "Well then you know what to do then lol Go look at the link you send and you will see it says Sept 2013 Erm duh this is 2018 so you get me impact papers to say Scotland will be even worse out of of the UK and the EU then we will talk ok Its seriously worrying that people outside of Scotland is actually saying that if a hard brexit is to happen they dont want Scotland to do a damn thing about it oylther than suffer being £12 billion a year worse off Thats how much you care willing to see damage to Scotlands economy to keep the UK union together and for Scotland not to do a thing about it tut tut | |||
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"£12bn poorer, or £40bn poorer. Which do you want? What dont you get You go and find me impact papers that claim Scotland will be 100% worse off out of the IK and EU then i shall answer None of you know what an independent Scotland would look like So back to it are people on here defending the Tories voting to overturn the ‘Everything not reserved is devolved the principle of the 1998 Scotland act? https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf Theres the impact paper. Now answer the question. Do you want Scotland to be £12bn poorer, or 40bn poorer? Come on OP, we are waiting!
Well then you know what to do then lol
Go look at the link you send and you will see it says Sept 2013
Erm duh this is 2018 so you get me impact papers to say Scotland will be even worse out of of the UK and the EU then we will talk ok
Its seriously worrying that people outside of Scotland is actually saying that if a hard brexit is to happen they dont want Scotland to do a damn thing about it oylther than suffer being £12 billion a year worse off
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"Thats rich coming from someone who can’t accept that 55% voted to remain in the UK at the last indy ref, plus the fact that 62% of those that bothered to vote in the las general election didn’t vote for the SNP" Lol in what way has the 2014 Scottish independence referendum not been respected ? Surely if it has not been respected then the SNP would have ignored the vote and called for independence amyway ? Lmao Also in the GE election its first past the post and clearly the SNP hold the majority of Scottish seats in Westminster so they won in Scotland so people agree with SNP delivering on SNP poloices such as the right to hold a referendum thats what democracy is about is it not ? Or just when it suits you ?lol | |||
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"Its the people in Westminster who decide actually "Ah is that right so now your saying its ok to go against the wishes of Scotland ? Lol Look at you jumping for joy that you seem to love the fact Westminster have power of Scotland and at the same time telling people in Scotland you cam vote for what you like but it wont mean a damn thing Anyway CLCC you are claiming Scotland will be even worse off out of the UK and the EU so what is so wrong about allowing Scottish people to decide if that is true or not and let Scottish people make up their own minds if the agree to the final brexit deal or not switch may see a hard brexit Really does come across your afraid to let Scottish people decide for themselves you do get it right people that believe in the UK union will still be able to vote no in an independence referendum which i have no problem with just yeah seems alot of here dont want democracy and dictate terms to Scottish people lol Now i told you yes Westminster hold the power to either agree or not agree to a section 30 order if it gets handed over to the UK government but what Westminster have NO power over is we in Scotland can still hold a referendum anyway it might not be legally binding but we can still hold one just like that EU referendum which was a non binding referendum. So if its then good enough for the UK to take the whole UK out of the EU on a non binding referendum then there is no argument to made if Scotland were to hold a non binding independence referndum and a yes vote came through the UK government would to respect that or it really is double standards That is why when the Scottish government hand over the secrion 30 order it would be unwise to refuse and block it but hey tell your PM to block it plays into the pro indy hands | |||
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"The majority of Scots want the same EU deal as the rest of the UK, not a seperate one, even if it means a 'hard brexit'" Really tell that to the 62% majority in Scotland then? Why in the hell would you want to suffer a hard bre it and damage the Scottish economy ? Nuts | |||
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"just as a matter of interest, if the Scots people have another indy referendum and the vote is stay will you respect that result." Yes i would But does that then mean there should never be another vote on independence if any party was to put it in a manifesto and people vote it ? I dont think people know what democracy means i really dont lol Again pointing this out democracy is not a one off event you may not agree or like it but thats simple fact | |||
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"Paranoid Here is the real issue thats went right over your heed the 13 Scottish Tory branch office Mps voted to overturn the ‘Everything not reserved is devolved’ principle of the 1998 Scotland act But CLCC you want that right ? You think Holyrood is some made up bullshit correct ? You seem to think Westminster is the real parilament and Holyrood is a joke ? no what i think they are saying is that you blame westminster for eveything and give holyrood a free pass.......... 20 years of governing yourselves and you still blame those "nasty english people"........ when 95% of all decisions that affect you are made in edinburgh..... and you wonder why people think (rightly) you are so anti english..... Stop with anti English shite please for the love god stop with that shite Its not about being anti English get it into your heed i am anti Westminster everything about Westminster i fucking hate i want our Scottish government to be in full control over every power you know that thing called independence i want no part of the corruption riddled in Westminster I dont hate or have a problem with people in England so get that shit stopped Got you would think its a crime to want to see the country you live Scotland btw independent just as i want to see England independent too lol " Then why not just answer truthfully the question "Are you happy to see Scotland independent even if the cost is £40+ billion a year to Scotland?" We all already know that the truthful answer from you is Yes you would. So why not have the balls and the courage of your own convictions and say so. | |||
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"The majority of Scots want the same EU deal as the rest of the UK, not a seperate one, even if it means a 'hard brexit' Really tell that to the 62% majority in Scotland then? Why in the hell would you want to suffer a hard bre it and damage the Scottish economy ? Nuts " That's the results of the latest John Curtice poll and the results are pretty much the same as the last one he carried out. The majority want the same deal as the rest of the UK. That's the facts. | |||
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"The majority of Scots want the same EU deal as the rest of the UK, not a seperate one, even if it means a 'hard brexit'" Oh and btw would you willing to put that to the people of Scotland when the final brexit deal is known by having an independece referendum ? And lets just say it was a yes vote to independence in the majority would you accept it ? Just curious to know After all what is wrong with allowing the Scottish people to decide if your right then there is nothing to worry about then lol | |||
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"The majority of Scots want the same EU deal as the rest of the UK, not a seperate one, even if it means a 'hard brexit' Oh and btw would you willing to put that to the people of Scotland when the final brexit deal is known by having an independece referendum ? And lets just say it was a yes vote to independence in the majority would you accept it ? Just curious to know After all what is wrong with allowing the Scottish people to decide if your right then there is nothing to worry about then lol " We made the decision in 2014 to remain within the UK and that means decisions such as Brexit are UK wide decisions. We've already voted on the issue so Brexit is happening. | |||
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"Its the people in Westminster who decide actually
Ah is that right so now your saying its ok to go against the wishes of Scotland ? Lol
Look at you jumping for joy that you seem to love the fact Westminster have power of Scotland and at the same time telling people in Scotland you cam vote for what you like but it wont mean a damn thing
Anyway CLCC you are claiming Scotland will be even worse off out of the UK and the EU so what is so wrong about allowing Scottish people to decide if that is true or not and let Scottish people make up their own minds if the agree to the final brexit deal or not switch may see a hard brexit
Really does come across your afraid to let Scottish people decide for themselves you do get it right people that believe in the UK union will still be able to vote no in an independence referendum which i have no problem with just yeah seems alot of here dont want democracy and dictate terms to Scottish people lol
Now i told you yes Westminster hold the power to either agree or not agree to a section 30 order if it gets handed over to the UK government but what Westminster have NO power over is we in Scotland can still hold a referendum anyway it might not be legally binding but we can still hold one just like that EU referendum which was a non binding referendum. So if its then good enough for the UK to take the whole UK out of the EU on a non binding referendum then there is no argument to made if Scotland were to hold a non binding independence referndum and a yes vote came through the UK government would to respect that or it really is double standards
That is why when the Scottish government hand over the secrion 30 order it would be unwise to refuse and block it but hey tell your PM to block it plays into the pro indy hands "Oh no boohoo, a countries politicians having power over it's citizens! Whatever next! | |||
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"Its the people in Westminster who decide actually
Ah is that right so now your saying its ok to go against the wishes of Scotland ? Lol
Look at you jumping for joy that you seem to love the fact Westminster have power of Scotland and at the same time telling people in Scotland you cam vote for what you like but it wont mean a damn thing
Anyway CLCC you are claiming Scotland will be even worse off out of the UK and the EU so what is so wrong about allowing Scottish people to decide if that is true or not and let Scottish people make up their own minds if the agree to the final brexit deal or not switch may see a hard brexit
Really does come across your afraid to let Scottish people decide for themselves you do get it right people that believe in the UK union will still be able to vote no in an independence referendum which i have no problem with just yeah seems alot of here dont want democracy and dictate terms to Scottish people lol
Now i told you yes Westminster hold the power to either agree or not agree to a section 30 order if it gets handed over to the UK government but what Westminster have NO power over is we in Scotland can still hold a referendum anyway it might not be legally binding but we can still hold one just like that EU referendum which was a non binding referendum. So if its then good enough for the UK to take the whole UK out of the EU on a non binding referendum then there is no argument to made if Scotland were to hold a non binding independence referndum and a yes vote came through the UK government would to respect that or it really is double standards
That is why when the Scottish government hand over the secrion 30 order it would be unwise to refuse and block it but hey tell your PM to block it plays into the pro indy hands
Oh no boohoo, a countries politicians having power over it's citizens! Whatever next! "Wow just wow there is no words for that comment Just a wee question just to see if you really do know how this shit works cause i dont think you do lol Who politicians represent in parilament ? Lol | |||
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"£12bn poorer, or £40bn poorer. Which do you want? What dont you get You go and find me impact papers that claim Scotland will be 100% worse off out of the IK and EU then i shall answer None of you know what an independent Scotland would look like So back to it are people on here defending the Tories voting to overturn the ‘Everything not reserved is devolved the principle of the 1998 Scotland act? https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/236579/scotland_analysis_macroeconomic_and_fiscal_performance.pdf Theres the impact paper. Now answer the question. Do you want Scotland to be £12bn poorer, or 40bn poorer? Come on OP, we are waiting!
Well then you know what to do then lol
Go look at the link you send and you will see it says Sept 2013
Erm duh this is 2018 so you get me impact papers to say Scotland will be even worse out of of the UK and the EU then we will talk ok
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Thats how much you care willing to see damage to Scotlands economy to keep the UK union together and for Scotland not to do a thing about it tut tut "Well at least you've finally followed the link and actually tried to read them. I guess that's progress. Maybe, as you're saying the analysis is invalid because it was originally done for 2013/14, you can tell us all what significant or material changes there have been since then that makes its conclusion invalid now. If not then you cannot claim that the analysis is less valid than the impact assessments for the BREXIT. | |||
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"The majority of Scots want the same EU deal as the rest of the UK, not a seperate one, even if it means a 'hard brexit' Oh and btw would you willing to put that to the people of Scotland when the final brexit deal is known by having an independece referendum ? And lets just say it was a yes vote to independence in the majority would you accept it ? Just curious to know After all what is wrong with allowing the Scottish people to decide if your right then there is nothing to worry about then lol We made the decision in 2014 to remain within the UK and that means decisions such as Brexit are UK wide decisions. We've already voted on the issue so Brexit is happening." Ah right so your anti democratic then got you thanks for letting me know lol Just because it was a no vote in 2014 does not then mean there cant ever be a referendum again you do you this right ? And you do know Scotland elected the SNP on their manifesto and people gave them a mandate and then in Holyrood they had a debate and vote which passed to allow to Scottish government to seek a section 30 order which has not been handed over yet once it has then it would be uneise and anti democratic But hey why am i telling unionists this with them its move the goalposts when it suits them fear that people are allowed to change their minds I have no fear at all about allowing Scottish people to decide our own future | |||
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"Am telling you none of you get it Say Scotland were to stand together and fight against a hard brexit but it still ends up happening anyway then what ? Thats what i am trying to get across to you we in Scotland aint hanging about waiting and hoping England changes its mind on a hard brexit thats just nuts not while Scotland can do something about it You are all ready and willing just to accept if a hard brexit happens for Scotland to be 12 billion a year worse off and do nothing about it sorry not gonna happen It comes across like your all afraid to allow people in Scotland to decide its own future when that final brexit deal is known " And I'm telling you that we do all get it and it's you that's not getting it. We all get completely that you don't want to say that you are happy to accept £40+ billion a year loss for Scotland as a result of independence. What you don't get is that you can not use the argument that Scotland will be £12 billion per year worse of after BREXIT based on expert financial predictions but then ignore or dismiss the expert financial predictions when they predict Scotland will be £40+ billion per year worse of after independence. At least not if you want any credibility in anything you say. | |||
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"Further info from Professor Curtice' poll "Despite the concerns that many voters have about the economic consequences of Brexit, it is still the case that more people think the economy would be made worse as a result of independence than believe it would get better. That perhaps helps explain why a majority for independence has not emerged in the wake of Brexit."" Right so you believe this yet still dont want to put the question to the people of Scotland ? I smell shite lol I told i have no problem allow Scottish people to see the final brexit deal and then have a indpendence referendum for the Scottish to decide if we agree to brexit or not You and many other unionists seem to fear allowing the Scottish people to decide lol Could it be people in Scotland wanna actually see the final brexit deal and if it is gonna leave Scotland worse off then decide nope we dont want that and would prefer independence Yup you can smell that shite coming from unionist knickers hehehe | |||
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"Am telling you none of you get it Say Scotland were to stand together and fight against a hard brexit but it still ends up happening anyway then what ? Thats what i am trying to get across to you we in Scotland aint hanging about waiting and hoping England changes its mind on a hard brexit thats just nuts not while Scotland can do something about it You are all ready and willing just to accept if a hard brexit happens for Scotland to be 12 billion a year worse off and do nothing about it sorry not gonna happen It comes across like your all afraid to allow people in Scotland to decide its own future when that final brexit deal is known And I'm telling you that we do all get it and it's you that's not getting it. We all get completely that you don't want to say that you are happy to accept £40+ billion a year loss for Scotland as a result of independence. What you don't get is that you can not use the argument that Scotland will be £12 billion per year worse of after BREXIT based on expert financial predictions but then ignore or dismiss the expert financial predictions when they predict Scotland will be £40+ billion per year worse of after independence. At least not if you want any credibility in anything you say." Ok genuine question for you If its a hard brexit and the UK government wont change on a hard brexit and you dont want Scotland to suffer being £12 bilkion a year worse off what is it you then want Scotland to do so Scotland wont face being £12 billion a year worse off ? My answer is allow a Scottish independence referendum and then the people of Scotland can decide if your claim about 40 billion is true or not ? Are you that afraid to allow Scottish people to make their own minds up ? I can tell you i am not one bit shite feart of allow Scotland to decide its own future are you ? | |||
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"The majority of Scots want the same EU deal as the rest of the UK, not a seperate one, even if it means a 'hard brexit' Really tell that to the 62% majority in Scotland then? Why in the hell would you want to suffer a hard bre it and damage the Scottish economy ? Nuts Because independence, especially on top of a hard BREXIT, would harm the Scottish economy by more than 3 times the amount. The really nuts thing is to actually be offering a solution to the BREXIT economic problem that is an even bigger economic problem for Scotland." Yet no solution from you if its a hard brexit and the UK govenment wont budge and press ahead with a hard brexit So the question what is it you want Scotland to do so we dont face 12 billion a year worse off Dont give me stand together piss as you know fone well what i am saying about it being nothing other than a hard brexit so what is it you then want Scotland to do ? Because what your saying no solution but just accept that 12 billion a year being worse off | |||
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"Further info from Professor Curtice' poll "Despite the concerns that many voters have about the economic consequences of Brexit, it is still the case that more people think the economy would be made worse as a result of independence than believe it would get better. That perhaps helps explain why a majority for independence has not emerged in the wake of Brexit." Right so you believe this yet still dont want to put the question to the people of Scotland ? I smell shite lol I told i have no problem allow Scottish people to see the final brexit deal and then have a indpendence referendum for the Scottish to decide if we agree to brexit or not You and many other unionists seem to fear allowing the Scottish people to decide lol Could it be people in Scotland wanna actually see the final brexit deal and if it is gonna leave Scotland worse off then decide nope we dont want that and would prefer independence Yup you can smell that shite coming from unionist knickers hehehe " What is their to believe? These are the results of polls telling us what Scotland thinks. Not the nonsense you claim Scotland thinks. Curtice polls tend to be spot on, he was the one who's polls correctly showed the SNP would suffer pretty huge losses at the last election. This comes for real data, unlike your own assertions. The Brexit vote has been taken, you don't keep running the same vote hoping for different results just because you lost. If you can smell anything foul then you may have to look closer to home. | |||
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"Further info from Professor Curtice' poll "Despite the concerns that many voters have about the economic consequences of Brexit, it is still the case that more people think the economy would be made worse as a result of independence than believe it would get better. That perhaps helps explain why a majority for independence has not emerged in the wake of Brexit." Right so you believe this yet still dont want to put the question to the people of Scotland ? I smell shite lol I told i have no problem allow Scottish people to see the final brexit deal and then have a indpendence referendum for the Scottish to decide if we agree to brexit or not You and many other unionists seem to fear allowing the Scottish people to decide lol Could it be people in Scotland wanna actually see the final brexit deal and if it is gonna leave Scotland worse off then decide nope we dont want that and would prefer independence Yup you can smell that shite coming from unionist knickers hehehe What is their to believe? These are the results of polls telling us what Scotland thinks. Not the nonsense you claim Scotland thinks. Curtice polls tend to be spot on, he was the one who's polls correctly showed the SNP would suffer pretty huge losses at the last election. This comes for real data, unlike your own assertions. The Brexit vote has been taken, you don't keep running the same vote hoping for different results just because you lost. If you can smell anything foul then you may have to look closer to home." Yeah and polls are gospel now ? Have wors with yourself lol So again you believe the poll yet somehow you seem shit feart to put that to the people Scotland once we know the final brexit deal by having a independence referendum lol I said you seem very anti democratic you know their countries fighting democracy and here you are taking piss with it | |||
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"Further info from Professor Curtice' poll "Despite the concerns that many voters have about the economic consequences of Brexit, it is still the case that more people think the economy would be made worse as a result of independence than believe it would get better. That perhaps helps explain why a majority for independence has not emerged in the wake of Brexit." Right so you believe this yet still dont want to put the question to the people of Scotland ? I smell shite lol I told i have no problem allow Scottish people to see the final brexit deal and then have a indpendence referendum for the Scottish to decide if we agree to brexit or not You and many other unionists seem to fear allowing the Scottish people to decide lol Could it be people in Scotland wanna actually see the final brexit deal and if it is gonna leave Scotland worse off then decide nope we dont want that and would prefer independence Yup you can smell that shite coming from unionist knickers hehehe What is their to believe? These are the results of polls telling us what Scotland thinks. Not the nonsense you claim Scotland thinks. Curtice polls tend to be spot on, he was the one who's polls correctly showed the SNP would suffer pretty huge losses at the last election. This comes for real data, unlike your own assertions. The Brexit vote has been taken, you don't keep running the same vote hoping for different results just because you lost. If you can smell anything foul then you may have to look closer to home. Yeah and polls are gospel now ? Have wors with yourself lol So again you believe the poll yet somehow you seem shit feart to put that to the people Scotland once we know the final brexit deal by having a independence referendum lol I said you seem very anti democratic you know their countries fighting democracy and here you are taking piss with it " Most people don't want another vote and will just get quietly on with their lives. Unfortunately for you that means all this anger and bile will be a daily occurence of your life as time goes on (especially if Wings tell you that you're supposed to be angry). Do you think you are one of the people Ross Greer's article referred to? https://tinyurl.com/yb7u2fcq | |||
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"Further info from Professor Curtice' poll "Despite the concerns that many voters have about the economic consequences of Brexit, it is still the case that more people think the economy would be made worse as a result of independence than believe it would get better. That perhaps helps explain why a majority for independence has not emerged in the wake of Brexit." Right so you believe this yet still dont want to put the question to the people of Scotland ? I smell shite lol I told i have no problem allow Scottish people to see the final brexit deal and then have a indpendence referendum for the Scottish to decide if we agree to brexit or not You and many other unionists seem to fear allowing the Scottish people to decide lol Could it be people in Scotland wanna actually see the final brexit deal and if it is gonna leave Scotland worse off then decide nope we dont want that and would prefer independence Yup you can smell that shite coming from unionist knickers hehehe What is their to believe? These are the results of polls telling us what Scotland thinks. Not the nonsense you claim Scotland thinks. Curtice polls tend to be spot on, he was the one who's polls correctly showed the SNP would suffer pretty huge losses at the last election. This comes for real data, unlike your own assertions. The Brexit vote has been taken, you don't keep running the same vote hoping for different results just because you lost. If you can smell anything foul then you may have to look closer to home. Yeah and polls are gospel now ? Have wors with yourself lol So again you believe the poll yet somehow you seem shit feart to put that to the people Scotland once we know the final brexit deal by having a independence referendum lol I said you seem very anti democratic you know their countries fighting democracy and here you are taking piss with it Most people don't want another vote and will just get quietly on with their lives. Unfortunately for you that means all this anger and bile will be a daily occurence of your life as time goes on (especially if Wings tell you that you're supposed to be angry). Do you think you are one of the people Ross Greer's article referred to? https://tinyurl.com/yb7u2fcq " Most people ah right so you speak for all of Scotland's voters eh ? I couldnt care less what Ross things to be honest that his view not mine nor does he or you or i speak for Scotland but yes i am willing to put it to the put where as you seem afraid to do so | |||
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"He just wants a revolution end of Independence at any price is what they want. Oh and i suppose it's not the Uk union at any cost for you then? " Unions are great for increasing wealth and standards of living. Remember, you have just filled 2 threads about how leaving the European UNION is going to cost £billions. | |||
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"He just wants a revolution end of Independence at any price is what they want. Oh and i suppose it's not the Uk union at any cost for you then? Unions are great for increasing wealth and standards of living. Remember, you have just filled 2 threads about how leaving the European UNION is going to cost £billions. " So what you are saying the UK union at any cost even if it means Scotland is facing a hard brexit with £12 billion a year worse off and to top it off CLCC you and other have feck all solutions on how to make sure Scotland does not end up £12 billion a year worse off All you are saying is shrugging your shoulders and saying ah well Scotland just suffer the 12 billion a a year So i put it to you do you have any solutions to stop this from happening ? | |||
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"Am telling you none of you get it Say Scotland were to stand together and fight against a hard brexit but it still ends up happening anyway then what ? Thats what i am trying to get across to you we in Scotland aint hanging about waiting and hoping England changes its mind on a hard brexit thats just nuts not while Scotland can do something about it You are all ready and willing just to accept if a hard brexit happens for Scotland to be 12 billion a year worse off and do nothing about it sorry not gonna happen It comes across like your all afraid to allow people in Scotland to decide its own future when that final brexit deal is known And I'm telling you that we do all get it and it's you that's not getting it. We all get completely that you don't want to say that you are happy to accept £40+ billion a year loss for Scotland as a result of independence. What you don't get is that you can not use the argument that Scotland will be £12 billion per year worse of after BREXIT based on expert financial predictions but then ignore or dismiss the expert financial predictions when they predict Scotland will be £40+ billion per year worse of after independence. At least not if you want any credibility in anything you say. Ok genuine question for you If its a hard brexit and the UK government wont change on a hard brexit and you dont want Scotland to suffer being £12 bilkion a year worse off what is it you then want Scotland to do so Scotland wont face being £12 billion a year worse off ? My answer is allow a Scottish independence referendum and then the people of Scotland can decide if your claim about 40 billion is true or not ? Are you that afraid to allow Scottish people to make their own minds up ? I can tell you i am not one bit shite feart of allow Scotland to decide its own future are you ?" I'm not in favour of referendum, period. I believe that referendum never actually resolve an issue (as is being clearly shown by you and the SNP in relation to the 2014 referendum and myself and others in relation to the 2016 referendum), are extremely divisive, never actually represent the true wishes of the people and are a sham of democracy used by populist, demagogues and dictators. However I am no more opposed to another Scottish Indy ref than I am to any other. In fact, with all the uncertainty and the real costs of the BREXIT split becoming more apparent as time goes on, I think the last thing the Scottish people would vote for in the run-up to an uncertain future with BREXIT is an even more uncertain future with independence. So, if there is going to another Scottish Indy ref, the closer and sooner it is to BREXIT the better from my point of view; especially if the Nationalist are going to fight it on the grounds that it's better to be £40+ billion a year worse of after independence than £12 billion a year worse of after BREXIT. Bring it on mate!  | |||
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"He just wants a revolution end of Independence at any price is what they want. Oh and i suppose it's not the Uk union at any cost for you then? Unions are great for increasing wealth and standards of living. Remember, you have just filled 2 threads about how leaving the European UNION is going to cost £billions. So what you are saying the UK union at any cost even if it means Scotland is facing a hard brexit with £12 billion a year worse off and to top it off CLCC you and other have feck all solutions on how to make sure Scotland does not end up £12 billion a year worse off All you are saying is shrugging your shoulders and saying ah well Scotland just suffer the 12 billion a a year So i put it to you do you have any solutions to stop this from happening ? " The union isn't at any cost at all. The union is of benefit. Just like the European Union is of benefit, and leaving will be costly. Scotland leaving the UK will be even more costly to scotland than the UK leaving the EU. So that's why you have to chose, do you want to be £12bn poorer, or 40bn poorer. There must be more than 200 posts asking you to answer that question now, from a wide range of posters. So, don't you think we deserve an answer? | |||
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"Am telling you none of you get it Say Scotland were to stand together and fight against a hard brexit but it still ends up happening anyway then what ? Thats what i am trying to get across to you we in Scotland aint hanging about waiting and hoping England changes its mind on a hard brexit thats just nuts not while Scotland can do something about it You are all ready and willing just to accept if a hard brexit happens for Scotland to be 12 billion a year worse off and do nothing about it sorry not gonna happen It comes across like your all afraid to allow people in Scotland to decide its own future when that final brexit deal is known And I'm telling you that we do all get it and it's you that's not getting it. We all get completely that you don't want to say that you are happy to accept £40+ billion a year loss for Scotland as a result of independence. What you don't get is that you can not use the argument that Scotland will be £12 billion per year worse of after BREXIT based on expert financial predictions but then ignore or dismiss the expert financial predictions when they predict Scotland will be £40+ billion per year worse of after independence. At least not if you want any credibility in anything you say. Ok genuine question for you If its a hard brexit and the UK government wont change on a hard brexit and you dont want Scotland to suffer being £12 bilkion a year worse off what is it you then want Scotland to do so Scotland wont face being £12 billion a year worse off ? My answer is allow a Scottish independence referendum and then the people of Scotland can decide if your claim about 40 billion is true or not ? Are you that afraid to allow Scottish people to make their own minds up ? I can tell you i am not one bit shite feart of allow Scotland to decide its own future are you ? I'm not in favour of referendum, period. I believe that referendum never actually resolve an issue (as is being clearly shown by you and the SNP in relation to the 2014 referendum and myself and others in relation to the 2016 referendum), are extremely divisive, never actually represent the true wishes of the people and are a sham of democracy used by populist, demagogues and dictators. However I am no more opposed to another Scottish Indy ref than I am to any other. In fact, with all the uncertainty and the real costs of the BREXIT split becoming more apparent as time goes on, I think the last thing the Scottish people would vote for in the run-up to an uncertain future with BREXIT is an even more uncertain future with independence. So, if there is going to another Scottish Indy ref, the closer and sooner it is to BREXIT the better from my point of view; especially if the Nationalist are going to fight it on the grounds that it's better to be £40+ billion a year worse of after independence than £12 billion a year worse of after BREXIT. Bring it on mate! "Right you wrote all that pish there and didnt answer my question So here it is again If its a hard brexit and the UK government wont change on a hard brexit and you dont want Scotland to suffer being £12 bilion a year worse off what is it you then want Scotland to do so Scotland wont face being £12 billion a year worse off ? Come on i wanna hear you solution or are you just willing to shrug your shoulders and say oh well just suffer it | |||
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"The majority of Scots want the same EU deal as the rest of the UK, not a seperate one, even if it means a 'hard brexit' Really tell that to the 62% majority in Scotland then? Why in the hell would you want to suffer a hard bre it and damage the Scottish economy ? Nuts Because independence, especially on top of a hard BREXIT, would harm the Scottish economy by more than 3 times the amount. The really nuts thing is to actually be offering a solution to the BREXIT economic problem that is an even bigger economic problem for Scotland. Yet no solution from you if its a hard brexit and the UK govenment wont budge and press ahead with a hard brexit So the question what is it you want Scotland to do so we dont face 12 billion a year worse off Dont give me stand together piss as you know fone well what i am saying about it being nothing other than a hard brexit so what is it you then want Scotland to do ? Because what your saying no solution but just accept that 12 billion a year being worse off " And your solution to avoid the worst case £12 billion hard BREXIT is to inflict on Scotland a best case £40+ billion independence. There maybe good arguments for Scottish Independence but this £12- vs £40+ billion economic argument definitely isn't one of them. | |||
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"The majority of Scots want the same EU deal as the rest of the UK, not a seperate one, even if it means a 'hard brexit' Really tell that to the 62% majority in Scotland then? Why in the hell would you want to suffer a hard bre it and damage the Scottish economy ? Nuts Because independence, especially on top of a hard BREXIT, would harm the Scottish economy by more than 3 times the amount. The really nuts thing is to actually be offering a solution to the BREXIT economic problem that is an even bigger economic problem for Scotland. Yet no solution from you if its a hard brexit and the UK govenment wont budge and press ahead with a hard brexit So the question what is it you want Scotland to do so we dont face 12 billion a year worse off Dont give me stand together piss as you know fone well what i am saying about it being nothing other than a hard brexit so what is it you then want Scotland to do ? Because what your saying no solution but just accept that 12 billion a year being worse off And your solution to avoid the worst case £12 billion hard BREXIT is to inflict on Scotland a best case £40+ billion independence. There maybe good arguments for Scottish Independence but this £12- vs £40+ billion economic argument definitely isn't one of them. " Come on this is now piss poor you dont have an answer do you ? So again what is your solution on who to stop Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit ? | |||
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"Right question lets see if people can actually solve this little puzzle When the final brexit deal is know and it wont ever change and its 100% going to be a hard brexit What solution can people come with to make sure Scotland does NOT suffer from being 12 billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit ? No one come up with anything yet this shit is piss poor its as if you want Scotland just top suffer this " tbf neither have you.  | |||
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"Am telling you none of you get it Say Scotland were to stand together and fight against a hard brexit but it still ends up happening anyway then what ? Thats what i am trying to get across to you we in Scotland aint hanging about waiting and hoping England changes its mind on a hard brexit thats just nuts not while Scotland can do something about it You are all ready and willing just to accept if a hard brexit happens for Scotland to be 12 billion a year worse off and do nothing about it sorry not gonna happen It comes across like your all afraid to allow people in Scotland to decide its own future when that final brexit deal is known And I'm telling you that we do all get it and it's you that's not getting it. We all get completely that you don't want to say that you are happy to accept £40+ billion a year loss for Scotland as a result of independence. What you don't get is that you can not use the argument that Scotland will be £12 billion per year worse of after BREXIT based on expert financial predictions but then ignore or dismiss the expert financial predictions when they predict Scotland will be £40+ billion per year worse of after independence. At least not if you want any credibility in anything you say. Ok genuine question for you If its a hard brexit and the UK government wont change on a hard brexit and you dont want Scotland to suffer being £12 bilkion a year worse off what is it you then want Scotland to do so Scotland wont face being £12 billion a year worse off ? My answer is allow a Scottish independence referendum and then the people of Scotland can decide if your claim about 40 billion is true or not ? Are you that afraid to allow Scottish people to make their own minds up ? I can tell you i am not one bit shite feart of allow Scotland to decide its own future are you ? I'm not in favour of referendum, period. I believe that referendum never actually resolve an issue (as is being clearly shown by you and the SNP in relation to the 2014 referendum and myself and others in relation to the 2016 referendum), are extremely divisive, never actually represent the true wishes of the people and are a sham of democracy used by populist, demagogues and dictators. However I am no more opposed to another Scottish Indy ref than I am to any other. In fact, with all the uncertainty and the real costs of the BREXIT split becoming more apparent as time goes on, I think the last thing the Scottish people would vote for in the run-up to an uncertain future with BREXIT is an even more uncertain future with independence. So, if there is going to another Scottish Indy ref, the closer and sooner it is to BREXIT the better from my point of view; especially if the Nationalist are going to fight it on the grounds that it's better to be £40+ billion a year worse of after independence than £12 billion a year worse of after BREXIT. Bring it on mate!
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If its a hard brexit and the UK government wont change on a hard brexit and you dont want Scotland to suffer being £12 bilion a year worse off what is it you then want Scotland to do so Scotland wont face being £12 billion a year worse off ?
Come on i wanna hear you solution or are you just willing to shrug your shoulders and say oh well just suffer it "I feel under no obligation to answer any questions from you while you fail to answer any questions from anyone else. We're still all waiting to hear your answer to the £12- billion vs £40+ billion question. You ready to answer yet? | |||
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"Right question lets see if people can actually solve this little puzzle When the final brexit deal is know and it wont ever change and its 100% going to be a hard brexit What solution can people come with to make sure Scotland does NOT suffer from being 12 billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit ? No one come up with anything yet this shit is piss poor its as if you want Scotland just top suffer this tbf neither have you. "Yes i do How about a Scottish referendum and guess what allow the people of Scotland to then make the choice some may believe you and vote no do you think am shit afraid of that ? Nope why because i actually believe in true democracy not some made up sht from unionists | |||
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"Am telling you none of you get it Say Scotland were to stand together and fight against a hard brexit but it still ends up happening anyway then what ? Thats what i am trying to get across to you we in Scotland aint hanging about waiting and hoping England changes its mind on a hard brexit thats just nuts not while Scotland can do something about it You are all ready and willing just to accept if a hard brexit happens for Scotland to be 12 billion a year worse off and do nothing about it sorry not gonna happen It comes across like your all afraid to allow people in Scotland to decide its own future when that final brexit deal is known And I'm telling you that we do all get it and it's you that's not getting it. We all get completely that you don't want to say that you are happy to accept £40+ billion a year loss for Scotland as a result of independence. What you don't get is that you can not use the argument that Scotland will be £12 billion per year worse of after BREXIT based on expert financial predictions but then ignore or dismiss the expert financial predictions when they predict Scotland will be £40+ billion per year worse of after independence. At least not if you want any credibility in anything you say. Ok genuine question for you If its a hard brexit and the UK government wont change on a hard brexit and you dont want Scotland to suffer being £12 bilkion a year worse off what is it you then want Scotland to do so Scotland wont face being £12 billion a year worse off ? My answer is allow a Scottish independence referendum and then the people of Scotland can decide if your claim about 40 billion is true or not ? Are you that afraid to allow Scottish people to make their own minds up ? I can tell you i am not one bit shite feart of allow Scotland to decide its own future are you ? I'm not in favour of referendum, period. I believe that referendum never actually resolve an issue (as is being clearly shown by you and the SNP in relation to the 2014 referendum and myself and others in relation to the 2016 referendum), are extremely divisive, never actually represent the true wishes of the people and are a sham of democracy used by populist, demagogues and dictators. However I am no more opposed to another Scottish Indy ref than I am to any other. In fact, with all the uncertainty and the real costs of the BREXIT split becoming more apparent as time goes on, I think the last thing the Scottish people would vote for in the run-up to an uncertain future with BREXIT is an even more uncertain future with independence. So, if there is going to another Scottish Indy ref, the closer and sooner it is to BREXIT the better from my point of view; especially if the Nationalist are going to fight it on the grounds that it's better to be £40+ billion a year worse of after independence than £12 billion a year worse of after BREXIT. Bring it on mate!
Right you wrote all that pish there and didnt answer my question
So here it is again
If its a hard brexit and the UK government wont change on a hard brexit and you dont want Scotland to suffer being £12 bilion a year worse off what is it you then want Scotland to do so Scotland wont face being £12 billion a year worse off ?
Come on i wanna hear you solution or are you just willing to shrug your shoulders and say oh well just suffer it
I feel under no obligation to answer any questions from you while you fail to answer any questions from anyone else.
We're still all waiting to hear your answer to the £12- billion vs £40+ billion question. You ready to answer yet?"Yup see as i thought you have no solutions therefore if a hard brexit happens you are actually telling Scotland people you would be more than happy to see Scotland 12 billion a year off and better still you aint even living in Scotland so why should it worry you eh you wont feel it so shrug it off | |||
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"The majority of Scots want the same EU deal as the rest of the UK, not a seperate one, even if it means a 'hard brexit' Really tell that to the 62% majority in Scotland then? Why in the hell would you want to suffer a hard bre it and damage the Scottish economy ? Nuts Because independence, especially on top of a hard BREXIT, would harm the Scottish economy by more than 3 times the amount. The really nuts thing is to actually be offering a solution to the BREXIT economic problem that is an even bigger economic problem for Scotland. Yet no solution from you if its a hard brexit and the UK govenment wont budge and press ahead with a hard brexit So the question what is it you want Scotland to do so we dont face 12 billion a year worse off Dont give me stand together piss as you know fone well what i am saying about it being nothing other than a hard brexit so what is it you then want Scotland to do ? Because what your saying no solution but just accept that 12 billion a year being worse off And your solution to avoid the worst case £12 billion hard BREXIT is to inflict on Scotland a best case £40+ billion independence. There maybe good arguments for Scottish Independence but this £12- vs £40+ billion economic argument definitely isn't one of them. Come on this is now piss poor you dont have an answer do you ? So again what is your solution on who to stop Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit ? " But I have answered this very question at least 5 times on this thread and 4 on the last one. It wasn't the answer you wanted to hear? Tough! It's the only answer your getting. You, however, have still not answered the question everyone is asking you. Here it is again. Are you happy to inflict a £40+ billion a year independence loss on Scotland in order to avoid a £12 billion a year BREXIT loss? | |||
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"Right question lets see if people can actually solve this little puzzle When the final brexit deal is know and it wont ever change and its 100% going to be a hard brexit What solution can people come with to make sure Scotland does NOT suffer from being 12 billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit ? No one come up with anything yet this shit is piss poor its as if you want Scotland just top suffer this tbf neither have you.
Yes i do How about a Scottish referendum and guess what allow the people of Scotland to then make the choice some may believe you and vote no do you think am shit afraid of that ? Nope why because i actually believe in true democracy not some made up sht from unionists"That doesn’t make sure of anything. It just allows people to choose between then cost of brexit and being in the uk and the cost of brexit and being out of the uk. And you do realise we are where we are now due to two referendums ? | |||
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"Am telling you none of you get it Say Scotland were to stand together and fight against a hard brexit but it still ends up happening anyway then what ? Thats what i am trying to get across to you we in Scotland aint hanging about waiting and hoping England changes its mind on a hard brexit thats just nuts not while Scotland can do something about it You are all ready and willing just to accept if a hard brexit happens for Scotland to be 12 billion a year worse off and do nothing about it sorry not gonna happen It comes across like your all afraid to allow people in Scotland to decide its own future when that final brexit deal is known And I'm telling you that we do all get it and it's you that's not getting it. We all get completely that you don't want to say that you are happy to accept £40+ billion a year loss for Scotland as a result of independence. What you don't get is that you can not use the argument that Scotland will be £12 billion per year worse of after BREXIT based on expert financial predictions but then ignore or dismiss the expert financial predictions when they predict Scotland will be £40+ billion per year worse of after independence. At least not if you want any credibility in anything you say. Ok genuine question for you If its a hard brexit and the UK government wont change on a hard brexit and you dont want Scotland to suffer being £12 bilkion a year worse off what is it you then want Scotland to do so Scotland wont face being £12 billion a year worse off ? My answer is allow a Scottish independence referendum and then the people of Scotland can decide if your claim about 40 billion is true or not ? Are you that afraid to allow Scottish people to make their own minds up ? I can tell you i am not one bit shite feart of allow Scotland to decide its own future are you ? I'm not in favour of referendum, period. I believe that referendum never actually resolve an issue (as is being clearly shown by you and the SNP in relation to the 2014 referendum and myself and others in relation to the 2016 referendum), are extremely divisive, never actually represent the true wishes of the people and are a sham of democracy used by populist, demagogues and dictators. However I am no more opposed to another Scottish Indy ref than I am to any other. In fact, with all the uncertainty and the real costs of the BREXIT split becoming more apparent as time goes on, I think the last thing the Scottish people would vote for in the run-up to an uncertain future with BREXIT is an even more uncertain future with independence. So, if there is going to another Scottish Indy ref, the closer and sooner it is to BREXIT the better from my point of view; especially if the Nationalist are going to fight it on the grounds that it's better to be £40+ billion a year worse of after independence than £12 billion a year worse of after BREXIT. Bring it on mate!
Right you wrote all that pish there and didnt answer my question
So here it is again
If its a hard brexit and the UK government wont change on a hard brexit and you dont want Scotland to suffer being £12 bilion a year worse off what is it you then want Scotland to do so Scotland wont face being £12 billion a year worse off ?
Come on i wanna hear you solution or are you just willing to shrug your shoulders and say oh well just suffer it
I feel under no obligation to answer any questions from you while you fail to answer any questions from anyone else.
We're still all waiting to hear your answer to the £12- billion vs £40+ billion question. You ready to answer yet?
Yup see as i thought you have no solutions therefore if a hard brexit happens you are actually telling Scotland people you would be more than happy to see Scotland 12 billion a year off and better still you aint even living in Scotland so why should it worry you eh you wont feel it so shrug it off
"Just try answering the question KinkyH. If other people want to know my answer to your question, which was clearly, simply and succinctly given, they only have to look through the thread and they'll see that not only do you not have the balls or courage of your own convictions to answer any difficult question put to you but that you're quite willing and happy to lie about what others have said to. Are all Scot Nats as mendacious, gutless and deceptive as you? If so it's no wonder you lost the 2014 referendum and will probably lose the next one too, whenever it is. I wouldn't want you on my side any in argument; you're a total embarrassment to your cause. | |||
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"This is fecking piss poor Here i am asking if a hard brexit does indeed happen and with that Scotland ends up being 12 billion a year worse off what solutions is there to make sure Scotland does NOT face being 12 billion a year worse off And most shocking is not one of you can even think of any solutions therefore what you then saying is ah well just suffer it Scotland as we dont even what the Scottish people to decide if they agree to a hard brexit its just fucking suffer it so we can keep you in the UK lol Do you fear letting Scottish people decide for themselves that much ? No doubt you will have people in Scotland agree with you and they would vote no to independence but hell you dont even want that lol I find it even more shocking people outside of Scotland think they know whats best for Scotland well tough as you say you dont get to decide Scotland future the people of Scotland will which i am more than willing to accept shame others dont have faith in Scotland eh " The only fecking piss poor thing is your inability to answer questions. | |||
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"Am telling you none of you get it Say Scotland were to stand together and fight against a hard brexit but it still ends up happening anyway then what ? Thats what i am trying to get across to you we in Scotland aint hanging about waiting and hoping England changes its mind on a hard brexit thats just nuts not while Scotland can do something about it You are all ready and willing just to accept if a hard brexit happens for Scotland to be 12 billion a year worse off and do nothing about it sorry not gonna happen It comes across like your all afraid to allow people in Scotland to decide its own future when that final brexit deal is known And I'm telling you that we do all get it and it's you that's not getting it. We all get completely that you don't want to say that you are happy to accept £40+ billion a year loss for Scotland as a result of independence. What you don't get is that you can not use the argument that Scotland will be £12 billion per year worse of after BREXIT based on expert financial predictions but then ignore or dismiss the expert financial predictions when they predict Scotland will be £40+ billion per year worse of after independence. At least not if you want any credibility in anything you say. Ok genuine question for you If its a hard brexit and the UK government wont change on a hard brexit and you dont want Scotland to suffer being £12 bilkion a year worse off what is it you then want Scotland to do so Scotland wont face being £12 billion a year worse off ? My answer is allow a Scottish independence referendum and then the people of Scotland can decide if your claim about 40 billion is true or not ? Are you that afraid to allow Scottish people to make their own minds up ? I can tell you i am not one bit shite feart of allow Scotland to decide its own future are you ? I'm not in favour of referendum, period. I believe that referendum never actually resolve an issue (as is being clearly shown by you and the SNP in relation to the 2014 referendum and myself and others in relation to the 2016 referendum), are extremely divisive, never actually represent the true wishes of the people and are a sham of democracy used by populist, demagogues and dictators. However I am no more opposed to another Scottish Indy ref than I am to any other. In fact, with all the uncertainty and the real costs of the BREXIT split becoming more apparent as time goes on, I think the last thing the Scottish people would vote for in the run-up to an uncertain future with BREXIT is an even more uncertain future with independence. So, if there is going to another Scottish Indy ref, the closer and sooner it is to BREXIT the better from my point of view; especially if the Nationalist are going to fight it on the grounds that it's better to be £40+ billion a year worse of after independence than £12 billion a year worse of after BREXIT. Bring it on mate!
Right you wrote all that pish there and didnt answer my question
So here it is again
If its a hard brexit and the UK government wont change on a hard brexit and you dont want Scotland to suffer being £12 bilion a year worse off what is it you then want Scotland to do so Scotland wont face being £12 billion a year worse off ?
Come on i wanna hear you solution or are you just willing to shrug your shoulders and say oh well just suffer it
I feel under no obligation to answer any questions from you while you fail to answer any questions from anyone else.
We're still all waiting to hear your answer to the £12- billion vs £40+ billion question. You ready to answer yet?
Yup see as i thought you have no solutions therefore if a hard brexit happens you are actually telling Scotland people you would be more than happy to see Scotland 12 billion a year off and better still you aint even living in Scotland so why should it worry you eh you wont feel it so shrug it off
Just try answering the question KinkyH. If other people want to know my answer to your question, which was clearly, simply and succinctly given, they only have to look through the thread and they'll see that not only do you not have the balls or courage of your own convictions to answer any difficult question put to you but that you're quite willing and happy to lie about what others have said to.
Are all Scot Nats as mendacious, gutless and deceptive as you? If so it's no wonder you lost the 2014 referendum and will probably lose the next one too, whenever it is. I wouldn't want you on my side any in argument; you're a total embarrassment to your cause.
"Wow learned alot there claim doon get a hot chocolate in you or step away from the computer or lappy dont want you breaking it lol What people will see is you cant come up with any solutions on how you think to stop Scotland facing being 12 billion a year worse off the best your saying is your willing to accept Scotland being 12 billion a year worse off just to keep Scotland in the UK and the best is you dont even live in Scotland Then to call me gutless and then act like a wean and say no wonder you lost the 2014 referendum and will probably lose the next one too Well we shall see on that wont we i am not afraid to allow the people of Scotland to decide our future the way it should be Oh btw wean in Scotland means kid btw or if you will Bairn lol | |||
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"Right question lets see if people can actually solve this little puzzle When the final brexit deal is know and it wont ever change and its 100% going to be a hard brexit What solution can people come with to make sure Scotland does NOT suffer from being 12 billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit ? No one come up with anything yet this shit is piss poor its as if you want Scotland just top suffer this tbf neither have you.
Yes i do How about a Scottish referendum and guess what allow the people of Scotland to then make the choice some may believe you and vote no do you think am shit afraid of that ? Nope why because i actually believe in true democracy not some made up sht from unionists"Great, in that referendum they can chose to stay in the UK and be £12bn poorer, or to leave the UK and be independent and poorer by £40bn a year. Which way will you vote? | |||
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"The point i am making here is there is people in this thread saying they dont want Scotland to be £12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit but when asked what solutions then do you think there is so Scotland doesnt face being £12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit None of you can answer therefore i must then take that as you actually are willing to see Scotland face being £12 billion worse off in a hard brexit And the best is the people that are saying this dont even live in Scotland so you wont even need to worry about it" no one, certainly not i wants to see any part of the UK or as a whole worse off through whatever type of Brexit we collectively end up with.. | |||
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"The point i am making here is there is people in this thread saying they dont want Scotland to be £12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit but when asked what solutions then do you think there is so Scotland doesnt face being £12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit None of you can answer therefore i must then take that as you actually are willing to see Scotland face being £12 billion worse off in a hard brexit And the best is the people that are saying this dont even live in Scotland so you wont even need to worry about it " just because people can’t offer up a solution doesn’t mean they are happy. No one is saying don’t worry about it. However saying independence is the answer is a non sequiter you have given zero evidence for. Want to debate the cost of independence if the rUK is under WTO. Let’s crack on. Extrapolating the drivers of the 12bn hard brexit cost to an independent Scotland who’s main export market is on WTO should be easy. At least directionally. It ain’t pretty. Ps. The fact we don’t live in Scotland maybe means we can take an impartial view. | |||
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"Latest Yougov poll https://i.gyazo.com/e37d78bf0f23e66f96765161d15d5dcf.png "strange i wasnt asked in that poll were you asked? Now you should really know you aint going to get a true figure from a poll i know this So seen as you are living in Scotland i will actually be interested to hear you views So what solutions then do you think there is so Scotland doesnt face being £12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit? Or you happy for that to happen ? | |||
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"The point i am making here is there is people in this thread saying they dont want Scotland to be £12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit but when asked what solutions then do you think there is so Scotland doesnt face being £12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit None of you can answer therefore i must then take that as you actually are willing to see Scotland face being £12 billion worse off in a hard brexit And the best is the people that are saying this dont even live in Scotland so you wont even need to worry about it just because people can’t offer up a solution doesn’t mean they are happy. No one is saying don’t worry about it. However saying independence is the answer is a non sequiter you have given zero evidence for. Want to debate the cost of independence if the rUK is under WTO. Let’s crack on. Extrapolating the drivers of the 12bn hard brexit cost to an independent Scotland who’s main export market is on WTO should be easy. At least directionally. It ain’t pretty. Ps. The fact we don’t live in Scotland maybe means we can take an impartial view. " No solutions = they would be willing to see it happen though | |||
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"Right question lets see if people can actually solve this little puzzle When the final brexit deal is know and it wont ever change and its 100% going to be a hard brexit What solution can people come with to make sure Scotland does NOT suffer from being 12 billion a year worse off in a UK hard brexit ? No one come up with anything yet this shit is piss poor its as if you want Scotland just top suffer this tbf neither have you.
Yes i do How about a Scottish referendum and guess what allow the people of Scotland to then make the choice some may believe you and vote no do you think am shit afraid of that ? Nope why because i actually believe in true democracy not some made up sht from unionists
Great, in that referendum they can chose to stay in the UK and be £12bn poorer, or to leave the UK and be independent and poorer by £40bn a year. Which way will you vote?"I think we all know how you would vote | |||
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"Latest Yougov poll https://i.gyazo.com/e37d78bf0f23e66f96765161d15d5dcf.png strange i wasnt asked in that poll were you asked?
Now you should really know you aint going to get a true figure from a poll i know this
So seen as you are living in Scotland i will actually be interested to hear you views
So what solutions then do you think there is so Scotland doesnt face being £12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit? Or you happy for that to happen ? "It's kinda weird you started a whole thread about a poll supposedly showing support for independence (before it was pointed out it showed the opposite) and now you want nothing to do with polls. Any particulat reason for this complete change of heart in the space of a week? | |||
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"Latest Yougov poll https://i.gyazo.com/e37d78bf0f23e66f96765161d15d5dcf.png strange i wasnt asked in that poll were you asked?
Now you should really know you aint going to get a true figure from a poll i know this
So seen as you are living in Scotland i will actually be interested to hear you views
So what solutions then do you think there is so Scotland doesnt face being £12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit? Or you happy for that to happen ? "So polls are rubbish? Even though they are used all over the world in probably a multi billion pound industry? That would seem to suggest that it's worthwhile and valuable. If you don't agree, then why have you started threads about polls that you liked? | |||
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"Latest Yougov poll https://i.gyazo.com/e37d78bf0f23e66f96765161d15d5dcf.png strange i wasnt asked in that poll were you asked?
Now you should really know you aint going to get a true figure from a poll i know this
So seen as you are living in Scotland i will actually be interested to hear you views
So what solutions then do you think there is so Scotland doesnt face being £12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit? Or you happy for that to happen ?
It's kinda weird you started a whole thread about a poll supposedly showing support for independence (before it was pointed out it showed the opposite) and now you want nothing to do with polls. Any particulat reason for this complete change of heart in the space of a week?"Yes polls are only samples correct it doesnt tell the true figure does it come on even you know this and i am willing to find out the true figure seems you arent | |||
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"Latest Yougov poll https://i.gyazo.com/e37d78bf0f23e66f96765161d15d5dcf.png strange i wasnt asked in that poll were you asked?
Now you should really know you aint going to get a true figure from a poll i know this
So seen as you are living in Scotland i will actually be interested to hear you views
So what solutions then do you think there is so Scotland doesnt face being £12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit? Or you happy for that to happen ?
So polls are rubbish? Even though they are used all over the world in probably a multi billion pound industry? That would seem to suggest that it's worthwhile and valuable. If you don't agree, then why have you started threads about polls that you liked? "Again polls are only samples not the true figure i said above i willing to see the true figure where as you and others do seem afraid to see the true figure in a referendum | |||
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"The point i am making here is there is people in this thread saying they dont want Scotland to be £12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit but when asked what solutions then do you think there is so Scotland doesnt face being £12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit None of you can answer therefore i must then take that as you actually are willing to see Scotland face being £12 billion worse off in a hard brexit And the best is the people that are saying this dont even live in Scotland so you wont even need to worry about it just because people can’t offer up a solution doesn’t mean they are happy. No one is saying don’t worry about it. However saying independence is the answer is a non sequiter you have given zero evidence for. Want to debate the cost of independence if the rUK is under WTO. Let’s crack on. Extrapolating the drivers of the 12bn hard brexit cost to an independent Scotland who’s main export market is on WTO should be easy. At least directionally. It ain’t pretty. Ps. The fact we don’t live in Scotland maybe means we can take an impartial view. No solutions = they would be willing to see it happen though " Work towards a soft brexit. Seek a second referendum. Avoid getting on WTO rules with your nearest and biggest export market. | |||
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"What are these true figures that only you can see? Obviously I'm dubious given your inability to do a simple arithmetic calculation caused a lot of mirth on your other thread. You never did explain how you managed to get it so terribly wrong. " Kinky can't even count to 13 with their shoes and socks off! | |||
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"The point i am making here is there is people in this thread saying they dont want Scotland to be £12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit but when asked what solutions then do you think there is so Scotland doesnt face being £12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit None of you can answer therefore i must then take that as you actually are willing to see Scotland face being £12 billion worse off in a hard brexit And the best is the people that are saying this dont even live in Scotland so you wont even need to worry about it just because people can’t offer up a solution doesn’t mean they are happy. No one is saying don’t worry about it. However saying independence is the answer is a non sequiter you have given zero evidence for. Want to debate the cost of independence if the rUK is under WTO. Let’s crack on. Extrapolating the drivers of the 12bn hard brexit cost to an independent Scotland who’s main export market is on WTO should be easy. At least directionally. It ain’t pretty. Ps. The fact we don’t live in Scotland maybe means we can take an impartial view. No solutions = they would be willing to see it happen though Work towards a soft brexit. Seek a second referendum. Avoid getting on WTO rules with your nearest and biggest export market. " Not listening what i am saying if it turns out to be a hard brexit and that does not change and therefore makes Scotland 12 billion worse off what solutions is there to make sure thast doesnt happen to Scotland ? Again sorry but i and others will not hang about hoping and waiting on England changing their minds as that may never happen We in Scotland have a mandate already for a new independence referendum and if a hard brexit happens then sure as hell there will be one either legally binding or non binding | |||
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"What are these true figures that only you can see? Obviously I'm dubious given your inability to do a simple arithmetic calculation caused a lot of mirth on your other thread. You never did explain how you managed to get it so terribly wrong. " Where did i say i can see the true figures it would be guess work i cannot answer for 5 million people but i am willing for them to decide Do you at least agree polls are only samples of so many people but the whole country ? So its guess work but yeah it can be good to see either way you support but you wont know until the question is asked which again you dont want to give the people that vote to decide very telling | |||
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"The point i am making here is there is people in this thread saying they dont want Scotland to be £12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit but when asked what solutions then do you think there is so Scotland doesnt face being £12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit None of you can answer therefore i must then take that as you actually are willing to see Scotland face being £12 billion worse off in a hard brexit And the best is the people that are saying this dont even live in Scotland so you wont even need to worry about it just because people can’t offer up a solution doesn’t mean they are happy. No one is saying don’t worry about it. However saying independence is the answer is a non sequiter you have given zero evidence for. Want to debate the cost of independence if the rUK is under WTO. Let’s crack on. Extrapolating the drivers of the 12bn hard brexit cost to an independent Scotland who’s main export market is on WTO should be easy. At least directionally. It ain’t pretty. Ps. The fact we don’t live in Scotland maybe means we can take an impartial view. No solutions = they would be willing to see it happen though Work towards a soft brexit. Seek a second referendum. Avoid getting on WTO rules with your nearest and biggest export market. Not listening what i am saying if it turns out to be a hard brexit and that does not change and therefore makes Scotland 12 billion worse off what solutions is there to make sure thast doesnt happen to Scotland ? Again sorry but i and others will not hang about hoping and waiting on England changing their minds as that may never happen We in Scotland have a mandate already for a new independence referendum and if a hard brexit happens then sure as hell there will be one either legally binding or non binding " youre making false constraints. Which weren’t in the last post but you add back in when it suits. You’re also now saying a referendum is the solution. Whereas previous attempts at the question have implied independence is the solution. Which is what people have challenged. But you’ve ignored. | |||
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"The majority of Scots want the same EU deal as the rest of the UK, not a seperate one, even if it means a 'hard brexit' Really tell that to the 62% majority in Scotland then? Why in the hell would you want to suffer a hard bre it and damage the Scottish economy ? Nuts Because independence, especially on top of a hard BREXIT, would harm the Scottish economy by more than 3 times the amount. The really nuts thing is to actually be offering a solution to the BREXIT economic problem that is an even bigger economic problem for Scotland. Yet no solution from you if its a hard brexit and the UK govenment wont budge and press ahead with a hard brexit So the question what is it you want Scotland to do so we dont face 12 billion a year worse off Dont give me stand together piss as you know fone well what i am saying about it being nothing other than a hard brexit so what is it you then want Scotland to do ? Because what your saying no solution but just accept that 12 billion a year being worse off " I have given you my solution to the problem. Stop lying to try and hide your own lack of conviction to stand by your own beliefs. I've answered your question, I'm not changing my answer just because it's not the answer you want to hear and I'm not answering it again until you answer the question 'are you happy to see Scotland suffer a £40+ billion a year independence loss per year in order to try an avoid a £12- billion a year BREXIT loss? Grow a set and answer! | |||
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