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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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EU leaders say uk can reverse the decision if it wants to, donald tusk and juncker say the door to eu remains open, if britain changes its mind, what is your bet? I reckon they will join in the last minute as the reality of brexit unfolds  |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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I've always thought it was reversible given that's what the guy who wrote article 50 said. Legally i guess it would have to be ruled on in the ECJ. However if everyone agrees then the ruling is moot as they could pass new legislation/treaty stating it is reversible |
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over a year ago
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It's clearly not working from what I read in the news. Either PM isn't pushing hard enough or EU is just saying no.
I don't often talk politics as it usually brings out the worst in people but since some of my friends from Thailand who live in the UK we're the subject of some really terrible abuse both verbal and physical 2 days after the EU ref... Stay in the EU, just my personal stance. |
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"I've always thought it was reversible given that's what the guy who wrote article 50 said. Legally i guess it would have to be ruled on in the ECJ. However if everyone agrees then the ruling is moot as they could pass new legislation/treaty stating it is reversible "
You mean move the goalposts when it suits them?
Only last week Jean-Claude Juncker said he believes Brexit will go ahead and the EU should tackle its looming budget shortfall.
Maybe they've finally done an audit on the EU accounts and decided they need the UK more than the UK needs the EU? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I've always thought it was reversible given that's what the guy who wrote article 50 said. Legally i guess it would have to be ruled on in the ECJ. However if everyone agrees then the ruling is moot as they could pass new legislation/treaty stating it is reversible
You mean move the goalposts when it suits them?
Only last week Jean-Claude Juncker said he believes Brexit will go ahead and the EU should tackle its looming budget shortfall.
Maybe they've finally done an audit on the EU accounts and decided they need the UK more than the UK needs the EU?"
How is that moving the goalposts?
The accounts are audited every year. The EU doesn't need us more than we need them, but us leaving will make both of us poorer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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They are audited internally every year. Last time we were in. Now we are likely to be out.... maybe that has set alarm bells ringing.
Out of interest when was the last time the accounts were signed off by external auditors? Or are they still refusing to do so? |
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"We are leaving full stop how many times does the pm have to say it ffs "
'Out means out' and 'BREXIT means BREXIT' means nothing at all. However full 'regularity alignment' does actually mean full alignment with all EU rules, which means the only full stop actually in place is a full stop to any sort of real BREXIT. The sooner all you BREXITers accept what has actually happened and come to turns with it the sooner we can all start pulling together to get the best deal for Britain out of the fake BREXIT or no BREXIT option that is actually the only option that ever was available to us. |
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"We are leaving full stop how many times does the pm have to say it ffs
'Out means out' and 'BREXIT means BREXIT' means nothing at all. However full 'regularity alignment' does actually mean full alignment with all EU rules, which means the only full stop actually in place is a full stop to any sort of real BREXIT. The sooner all you BREXITers accept what has actually happened and come to turns with it the sooner we can all start pulling together to get the best deal for Britain out of the fake BREXIT or no BREXIT option that is actually the only option that ever was available to us."
We haven't agreed to full regulatory alignment though. The phase 1 agreement text states that full regulatory alignment will only happen as a last resort (I think you called it the fall back position but that can also be categorised as option of last resort). So then this means everything is up for negotiation in phase 2 trade talks. The UK can put forward alternative solutions to regulatory alignment in phase 2 of the negotiations on a sector by sector basis. You talk like it's all agreed but it isn't, phase 2 hasn't even started yet.
Remainers like you also said
before phase 1 started that the EU would NEVER allow the role of the ECJ to be ended in Britain but that is exactly what the UK managed to negotiate in phase 1 and the ECJ will now be banished from the UK for good after Brexit. You were wrong about the ECJ and you're wrong about regulatory alignment now.
There is also another scenario which is the no deal scenario, and in a no deal scenario the regulatory alignment argument goes completely out the window all together along with our divorce bill! |
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"We are leaving full stop how many times does the pm have to say it ffs
'Out means out' and 'BREXIT means BREXIT' means nothing at all. However full 'regularity alignment' does actually mean full alignment with all EU rules, which means the only full stop actually in place is a full stop to any sort of real BREXIT. The sooner all you BREXITers accept what has actually happened and come to turns with it the sooner we can all start pulling together to get the best deal for Britain out of the fake BREXIT or no BREXIT option that is actually the only option that ever was available to us.
We haven't agreed to full regulatory alignment though. The phase 1 agreement text states that full regulatory alignment will only happen as a last resort (I think you called it the fall back position but that can also be categorised as option of last resort). So then this means everything is up for negotiation in phase 2 trade talks. The UK can put forward alternative solutions to regulatory alignment in phase 2 of the negotiations on a sector by sector basis. You talk like it's all agreed but it isn't, phase 2 hasn't even started yet.
Remainers like you also said
before phase 1 started that the EU would NEVER allow the role of the ECJ to be ended in Britain but that is exactly what the UK managed to negotiate in phase 1 and the ECJ will now be banished from the UK for good after Brexit. You were wrong about the ECJ and you're wrong about regulatory alignment now.
There is also another scenario which is the no deal scenario, and in a no deal scenario the regulatory alignment argument goes completely out the window all together along with our divorce bill!"
Other remsiners, not like me, may have said that the EU would never allow ECJ to be ended but I never did. What I said was that, if we wanted a comprehensive free trade agreement with the EU a binding court of arbitration to solve disputes would be required and that that court, just like the ECJ, would make rulings that would be binding in UK law. I may even have gone on to say that, in my opinion, the binding court of arbitration may as well be the ECJ because, in the end, It's going to look like and do pretty much the same thing as the ECJ does now.
With regards to phase 1 negotiations and what has and hasn't been agreed and fixed already by those negotiations, I honestly am beginning to think you're living in your own little BREXIT world of denial but I'm totally happy to leave you there. |
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"We are leaving full stop how many times does the pm have to say it ffs
'Out means out' and 'BREXIT means BREXIT' means nothing at all. However full 'regularity alignment' does actually mean full alignment with all EU rules, which means the only full stop actually in place is a full stop to any sort of real BREXIT. The sooner all you BREXITers accept what has actually happened and come to turns with it the sooner we can all start pulling together to get the best deal for Britain out of the fake BREXIT or no BREXIT option that is actually the only option that ever was available to us.
We haven't agreed to full regulatory alignment though. The phase 1 agreement text states that full regulatory alignment will only happen as a last resort (I think you called it the fall back position but that can also be categorised as option of last resort). So then this means everything is up for negotiation in phase 2 trade talks. The UK can put forward alternative solutions to regulatory alignment in phase 2 of the negotiations on a sector by sector basis. You talk like it's all agreed but it isn't, phase 2 hasn't even started yet.
Remainers like you also said
before phase 1 started that the EU would NEVER allow the role of the ECJ to be ended in Britain but that is exactly what the UK managed to negotiate in phase 1 and the ECJ will now be banished from the UK for good after Brexit. You were wrong about the ECJ and you're wrong about regulatory alignment now.
There is also another scenario which is the no deal scenario, and in a no deal scenario the regulatory alignment argument goes completely out the window all together along with our divorce bill!
Other remsiners, not like me, may have said that the EU would never allow ECJ to be ended but I never did. What I said was that, if we wanted a comprehensive free trade agreement with the EU a binding court of arbitration to solve disputes would be required and that that court, just like the ECJ, would make rulings that would be binding in UK law. I may even have gone on to say that, in my opinion, the binding court of arbitration may as well be the ECJ because, in the end, It's going to look like and do pretty much the same thing as the ECJ does now.
With regards to phase 1 negotiations and what has and hasn't been agreed and fixed already by those negotiations, I honestly am beginning to think you're living in your own little BREXIT world of denial but I'm totally happy to leave you there."
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"We are leaving full stop how many times does the pm have to say it ffs
'Out means out' and 'BREXIT means BREXIT' means nothing at all. However full 'regularity alignment' does actually mean full alignment with all EU rules, which means the only full stop actually in place is a full stop to any sort of real BREXIT. The sooner all you BREXITers accept what has actually happened and come to turns with it the sooner we can all start pulling together to get the best deal for Britain out of the fake BREXIT or no BREXIT option that is actually the only option that ever was available to us.
We haven't agreed to full regulatory alignment though. The phase 1 agreement text states that full regulatory alignment will only happen as a last resort (I think you called it the fall back position but that can also be categorised as option of last resort). So then this means everything is up for negotiation in phase 2 trade talks. The UK can put forward alternative solutions to regulatory alignment in phase 2 of the negotiations on a sector by sector basis. You talk like it's all agreed but it isn't, phase 2 hasn't even started yet.
Remainers like you also said
before phase 1 started that the EU would NEVER allow the role of the ECJ to be ended in Britain but that is exactly what the UK managed to negotiate in phase 1 and the ECJ will now be banished from the UK for good after Brexit. You were wrong about the ECJ and you're wrong about regulatory alignment now.
There is also another scenario which is the no deal scenario, and in a no deal scenario the regulatory alignment argument goes completely out the window all together along with our divorce bill!
Other remsiners, not like me, may have said that the EU would never allow ECJ to be ended but I never did. What I said was that, if we wanted a comprehensive free trade agreement with the EU a binding court of arbitration to solve disputes would be required and that that court, just like the ECJ, would make rulings that would be binding in UK law. I may even have gone on to say that, in my opinion, the binding court of arbitration may as well be the ECJ because, in the end, It's going to look like and do pretty much the same thing as the ECJ does now.
With regards to phase 1 negotiations and what has and hasn't been agreed and fixed already by those negotiations, I honestly am beginning to think you're living in your own little BREXIT world of denial but I'm totally happy to leave you there."
But there won't be a court of arbitration though like you said there would be. The UK Supreme court will be the sovereign final court in the UK after Brexit. This is in the phase 1 agreement text which is now in the process of being made legally binding. The text says the ECJ will be a voluntary referral court for 8 years after Brexit, then when those 8 years are up it won't even be available for voluntary referral anymore, ultimately the ECJ is ended, finished, banished, kicked out, done and dusted with in the UK for good after Brexit. |
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"We are leaving full stop how many times does the pm have to say it ffs
'Out means out' and 'BREXIT means BREXIT' means nothing at all. However full 'regularity alignment' does actually mean full alignment with all EU rules, which means the only full stop actually in place is a full stop to any sort of real BREXIT. The sooner all you BREXITers accept what has actually happened and come to turns with it the sooner we can all start pulling together to get the best deal for Britain out of the fake BREXIT or no BREXIT option that is actually the only option that ever was available to us.
We haven't agreed to full regulatory alignment though. The phase 1 agreement text states that full regulatory alignment will only happen as a last resort (I think you called it the fall back position but that can also be categorised as option of last resort). So then this means everything is up for negotiation in phase 2 trade talks. The UK can put forward alternative solutions to regulatory alignment in phase 2 of the negotiations on a sector by sector basis. You talk like it's all agreed but it isn't, phase 2 hasn't even started yet.
Remainers like you also said
before phase 1 started that the EU would NEVER allow the role of the ECJ to be ended in Britain but that is exactly what the UK managed to negotiate in phase 1 and the ECJ will now be banished from the UK for good after Brexit. You were wrong about the ECJ and you're wrong about regulatory alignment now.
There is also another scenario which is the no deal scenario, and in a no deal scenario the regulatory alignment argument goes completely out the window all together along with our divorce bill!
Other remsiners, not like me, may have said that the EU would never allow ECJ to be ended but I never did. What I said was that, if we wanted a comprehensive free trade agreement with the EU a binding court of arbitration to solve disputes would be required and that that court, just like the ECJ, would make rulings that would be binding in UK law. I may even have gone on to say that, in my opinion, the binding court of arbitration may as well be the ECJ because, in the end, It's going to look like and do pretty much the same thing as the ECJ does now.
With regards to phase 1 negotiations and what has and hasn't been agreed and fixed already by those negotiations, I honestly am beginning to think you're living in your own little BREXIT world of denial but I'm totally happy to leave you there.
But there won't be a court of arbitration though like you said there would be. The UK Supreme court will be the sovereign final court in the UK after Brexit. This is in the phase 1 agreement text which is now in the process of being made legally binding. The text says the ECJ will be a voluntary referral court for 8 years after Brexit, then when those 8 years are up it won't even be available for voluntary referral anymore, ultimately the ECJ is ended, finished, banished, kicked out, done and dusted with in the UK for good after Brexit. "
If there is no court of arbitration between the UK and the EU then there will be no free trade deal worth talking about between the UK and the EU. And the same principle applies to the US, China, India or anywhere else. Dispute resolution is the first essential in any trade agreement. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's clearly not working from what I read in the news. Either PM isn't pushing hard enough or EU is just saying no.
I don't often talk politics as it usually brings out the worst in people but since some of my friends from Thailand who live in the UK we're the subject of some really terrible abuse both verbal and physical 2 days after the EU ref... Stay in the EU, just my personal stance."
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I don't think it will end the hate speech on here by either side  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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You mean move the goalposts when it suits them?
Only last week Jean-Claude Juncker said he believes Brexit will go ahead and the EU should tackle its looming budget shortfall.
Maybe they've finally done an audit on the EU accounts and decided they need the UK more than the UK needs the EU?"
You understand that the two aren't mutually exclusive.
"The UK can stop being stupid any time it wants" is not incompatible with "we believe the UK will continue to be stupid" |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's a bit like a caravan where you have to go left hand down to go right... Wait, no left or right is heading in the same direction.
I really can't see how reversing the situation will stop the moaning.... Unless brexiters are less of a moaner than remoaners  |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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If there is no court of arbitration between the UK and the EU then there will be no free trade deal worth talking about between the UK and the EU. And the same principle applies to the US, China, India or anywhere else. Dispute resolution is the first essential in any trade agreement."
You are highlighting a very stereotypical Brexitology thought process...
We are going to have a trade agreement very similar to what we already have now - but not the same.
We can be part of a customs union very much like what we are in at the moment - but not the same.
We can have an arbitrary legal process very much like what we have now - but not the same.
And so it goes on....
Replicating almost exactly what already exists so that it can be wrapped up in a union jack instead. I wonder just how much duplication work, duplication jobs and duplication paperwork there will be for the UK to be part of "a" customs union, rather than "the" customs union and part of "a" single market, rather than "the" single market.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's a bit like a caravan where you have to go left hand down to go right... Wait, no left or right is heading in the same direction.
I really can't see how reversing the situation will stop the moaning.... Unless brexiters are less of a moaner than remoaners "
Most probably will be the same amount of moaning if not more.
After all what's the point in having a democracy, if we don't honour results of a legitimate and legal vote?
Sure it was only by a small percentage, but more people voted leave than remain. Tough luck if you lost and can't get your own way and not the will of the people.
Yes both campaigns lied and what not, but what Mp doesn't?
Hard brexit all the way. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's a bit like a caravan where you have to go left hand down to go right... Wait, no left or right is heading in the same direction.
I really can't see how reversing the situation will stop the moaning.... Unless brexiters are less of a moaner than remoaners "
Unlikely, as this shitnado is the result of forty years worth of whining. |
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"It's a bit like a caravan where you have to go left hand down to go right... Wait, no left or right is heading in the same direction.
I really can't see how reversing the situation will stop the moaning.... Unless brexiters are less of a moaner than remoaners
Most probably will be the same amount of moaning if not more.
After all what's the point in having a democracy, if we don't honour results of a legitimate and legal vote?
Sure it was only by a small percentage, but more people voted leave than remain. Tough luck if you lost and can't get your own way and not the will of the people.
Yes both campaigns lied and what not, but what Mp doesn't?
Hard brexit all the way."
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"It's a bit like a caravan where you have to go left hand down to go right... Wait, no left or right is heading in the same direction.
I really can't see how reversing the situation will stop the moaning.... Unless brexiters are less of a moaner than remoaners
Most probably will be the same amount of moaning if not more.
After all what's the point in having a democracy, if we don't honour results of a legitimate and legal vote?
Sure it was only by a small percentage, but more people voted leave than remain. Tough luck if you lost and can't get your own way and not the will of the people.
Yes both campaigns lied and what not, but what Mp doesn't?
Hard brexit all the way."
What do you specifically mean by "hard brexit" all the way? And how do you think that impacts the agreements already in place from late last year?
Are you aware that the worst position is now regulatory alignment as that is the only thing that can protect the Irish situation? Hard Brexit is dead - it can no longer happen. Hard Brexit and an open Irish border are mutually incomptiable - that is what phase 1 of the negotiations taught us. |
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"It's a bit like a caravan where you have to go left hand down to go right... Wait, no left or right is heading in the same direction.
I really can't see how reversing the situation will stop the moaning.... Unless brexiters are less of a moaner than remoaners
Unlikely, as this shitnado is the result of forty years worth of whining."
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Funny how I never read much in the forums for donkeys about the EU now it's all we ever fucking hear, it's like an endless broken record from both sides yak yak yak.  |
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"It's a bit like a caravan where you have to go left hand down to go right... Wait, no left or right is heading in the same direction.
I really can't see how reversing the situation will stop the moaning.... Unless brexiters are less of a moaner than remoaners
Unlikely, as this shitnado is the result of forty years worth of whining..
Funny how I never read much in the forums for donkeys about the EU now it's all we ever fucking hear, it's like an endless broken record from both sides yak yak yak. "
It's a politics forum, Brexit is by far and away the hottest political subject in our life times... if you don't like it then go read Fab my pics or the BBW chat 947 threads, may be more down your street |
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"It's a bit like a caravan where you have to go left hand down to go right... Wait, no left or right is heading in the same direction.
I really can't see how reversing the situation will stop the moaning.... Unless brexiters are less of a moaner than remoaners
Unlikely, as this shitnado is the result of forty years worth of whining..
Funny how I never read much in the forums for donkeys about the EU now it's all we ever fucking hear, it's like an endless broken record from both sides yak yak yak.
It's a politics forum, Brexit is by far and away the hottest political subject in our life times... if you don't like it then go read Fab my pics or the BBW chat 947 threads, may be more down your street "
Personally I like the "kids, snog, fuck, avoid" threads best.  |
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"It's a bit like a caravan where you have to go left hand down to go right... Wait, no left or right is heading in the same direction.
I really can't see how reversing the situation will stop the moaning.... Unless brexiters are less of a moaner than remoaners
Unlikely, as this shitnado is the result of forty years worth of whining..
Funny how I never read much in the forums for donkeys about the EU now it's all we ever fucking hear, it's like an endless broken record from both sides yak yak yak.
It's a politics forum, Brexit is by far and away the hottest political subject in our life times... if you don't like it then go read Fab my pics or the BBW chat 947 threads, may be more down your street "
Personally I like the "kiss, snog, fuck, avoid" threads best. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I've always thought it was reversible given that's what the guy who wrote article 50 said. Legally i guess it would have to be ruled on in the ECJ. However if everyone agrees then the ruling is moot as they could pass new legislation/treaty stating it is reversible "
That is right, they have always had the option to rejoin, they just have to accept that they made a big mistake with brexit |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's a bit like a caravan where you have to go left hand down to go right... Wait, no left or right is heading in the same direction.
I really can't see how reversing the situation will stop the moaning.... Unless brexiters are less of a moaner than remoaners
Unlikely, as this shitnado is the result of forty years worth of whining..
Funny how I never read much in the forums for donkeys about the EU now it's all we ever fucking hear, "
I wonder what event could have precipitated that?
It truly is a mystery.
Perhaps we will never know. |
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If we had an intelligent, strong and stable government then we'd be hearing the UK government state it's willing to do the same, if it becomes clearly right.
Instead we get the 'No deal is better than a bad deal' shouting Muppets, winding the EU up. |
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"If we had an intelligent, strong and stable government then we'd be hearing the UK government state it's willing to do the same, if it becomes clearly right.
Instead we get the 'No deal is better than a bad deal' shouting Muppets, winding the EU up."
Thats are weak as piss government
Mays a remainer at heart what do you expect she doesn’t want out |
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That would explain why May is going for the old "fuck a job up so badly nobody will ever ask you to do it ever again" approach.
Not sure how we could explain why the true believers are so monstrously stupid.
Well, I mean, aside from the obvious....
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"We are leaving full stop how many times does the pm have to say it ffs
'Out means out' and 'BREXIT means BREXIT' means nothing at all. However full 'regularity alignment' does actually mean full alignment with all EU rules, which means the only full stop actually in place is a full stop to any sort of real BREXIT. The sooner all you BREXITers accept what has actually happened and come to turns with it the sooner we can all start pulling together to get the best deal for Britain out of the fake BREXIT or no BREXIT option that is actually the only option that ever was available to us.
We haven't agreed to full regulatory alignment though. The phase 1 agreement text states that full regulatory alignment will only happen as a last resort (I think you called it the fall back position but that can also be categorised as option of last resort). So then this means everything is up for negotiation in phase 2 trade talks. The UK can put forward alternative solutions to regulatory alignment in phase 2 of the negotiations on a sector by sector basis. You talk like it's all agreed but it isn't, phase 2 hasn't even started yet.
Remainers like you also said
before phase 1 started that the EU would NEVER allow the role of the ECJ to be ended in Britain but that is exactly what the UK managed to negotiate in phase 1 and the ECJ will now be banished from the UK for good after Brexit. You were wrong about the ECJ and you're wrong about regulatory alignment now.
There is also another scenario which is the no deal scenario, and in a no deal scenario the regulatory alignment argument goes completely out the window all together along with our divorce bill!
Other remsiners, not like me, may have said that the EU would never allow ECJ to be ended but I never did. What I said was that, if we wanted a comprehensive free trade agreement with the EU a binding court of arbitration to solve disputes would be required and that that court, just like the ECJ, would make rulings that would be binding in UK law. I may even have gone on to say that, in my opinion, the binding court of arbitration may as well be the ECJ because, in the end, It's going to look like and do pretty much the same thing as the ECJ does now.
With regards to phase 1 negotiations and what has and hasn't been agreed and fixed already by those negotiations, I honestly am beginning to think you're living in your own little BREXIT world of denial but I'm totally happy to leave you there.
But there won't be a court of arbitration though like you said there would be. The UK Supreme court will be the sovereign final court in the UK after Brexit. This is in the phase 1 agreement text which is now in the process of being made legally binding. The text says the ECJ will be a voluntary referral court for 8 years after Brexit, then when those 8 years are up it won't even be available for voluntary referral anymore, ultimately the ECJ is ended, finished, banished, kicked out, done and dusted with in the UK for good after Brexit. "
You mean until the process is reversed which it inevitably will be sooner or later. Whether it's months or years you're wrong as usual. |
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We did vote liberal Democrats for that reason. We feel the same about Brexit, as we don't want it to happen.
All as we are doing is turning back time. Feel sorry for the younger generation they will be the ones who suffer. |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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"We did vote liberal Democrats for that reason. We feel the same about Brexit, as we don't want it to happen.
All as we are doing is turning back time. Feel sorry for the younger generation they will be the ones who suffer. "
At least you voted for what you believed in. What happened to the other populace that believe in the same principles? I find it odd that the very party that championed to look and try and reverse the Brexit decision lost seats in the election. It doesn't make sense to me. If all the 15 million people would have put party alligence aside and voted for the Liberal Democrats the UK would indeed find itself possibly having another referendum. It just doesn't make sense to me that the party that offered this option were clearly forgotten in the last election by people who want to remain a part of the European Union. |
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"We did vote liberal Democrats for that reason. We feel the same about Brexit, as we don't want it to happen.
All as we are doing is turning back time. Feel sorry for the younger generation they will be the ones who suffer.
At least you voted for what you believed in. What happened to the other populace that believe in the same principles? I find it odd that the very party that championed to look and try and reverse the Brexit decision lost seats in the election. It doesn't make sense to me. If all the 15 million people would have put party alligence aside and voted for the Liberal Democrats the UK would indeed find itself possibly having another referendum. It just doesn't make sense to me that the party that offered this option were clearly forgotten in the last election by people who want to remain a part of the European Union. "
Because sometimes people don't vote for a party just for one reason only. |
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"Why didn't people vote Liberal democrat in the last election? "
I did but the reason I've been told by others who wanted to soften or stop the BREXIT process but didn't was because they didn't believe the LibDems where strong enough in their constituency to defeat the Tory, the Tory in their constituency was pro EU, they lived in Tory/Labour marginal with a standing Labour MP so voting LibDem might let the Tory in.
And other similar reasons. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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Justine Greening was saying just yesterday about how if Brexit doesn't work then it will be reversed. Rememver the age demographics in the vote. As each day passes, there are fewer and fewer Leave voters. |
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"EU leaders say uk can reverse the decision if it wants to, donald tusk and juncker say the door to eu remains open, if britain changes its mind, what is your bet? I reckon they will join in the last minute as the reality of brexit unfolds "
Join in the last minute, only to be told, there will be conditions of remaining, such as Euro currency
the Whole of the UK has voted and decided to Leave
and Leave we shall do. |
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"Justine Greening was saying just yesterday about how if Brexit doesn't work then it will be reversed. Rememver the age demographics in the vote. As each day passes, there are fewer and fewer Leave voters. "
Precisely my point earlier. Whether it's sooner or later it'll be reversed. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Justine Greening was saying just yesterday about how if Brexit doesn't work then it will be reversed. Rememver the age demographics in the vote. As each day passes, there are fewer and fewer Leave voters.
Precisely my point earlier. Whether it's sooner or later it'll be reversed."
Agreed. The future has to be less borders and not more borders because a future full of Farage, Trump and Erdogan is a future of isolationism, suspicion, and inevitably conflict.
As a species we all do better when we do things together. |
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"We are leaving full stop how many times does the pm have to say it ffs "
It's not her call though is it.
It's down to parliament and parliamentary sovereignty.
Which is what the referendum was all about wasn't it?
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"EU leaders say uk can reverse the decision if it wants to, donald tusk and juncker say the door to eu remains open, if britain changes its mind, what is your bet? I reckon they will join in the last minute as the reality of brexit unfolds
Join in the last minute, only to be told, there will be conditions of remaining, such as Euro currency
the Whole of the UK has voted and decided to Leave
and Leave we shall do."
I'm sorry but that's just nonsense, the " oh they'll be mean if we stay " thing is not based on fact's. When we choose not to leave we'll be on the terms that we were going to leave on, emergency brake and all. |
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In case you missed it, more jobs and investment lost due to brexit
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-galileo-satellite-space-industry-move-from-london-to-spain-madrid-uk-a8165841.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true |
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"I'm sorry but that's just nonsense, the " oh they'll be mean if we stay " thing is not based on fact's. When we choose not to leave we'll be on the terms that we were going to leave on, emergency brake and all."
Here is an unmistakable truth we need to leave the EU. At present we are toxic to the EU and to ourselves over the EU. We truly have to learn the hard way that the only people in Britain that the EU has been bad for is those that are looking forward to feasting on our carcass as soon as we no longer the protection of the largest market in the world.
And good luck to because we will need it...  |
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"In case you missed it, more jobs and investment lost due to brexit
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-galileo-satellite-space-industry-move-from-london-to-spain-madrid-uk-a8165841.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true"
Nope...
2 of my friends are medical researchers doctors (PhD) and their funding comes from the EU and they have both been told their research grants will end in 2019 and their labs will be closing. (One works out of Keel Uni and The Robert Jones and Agnes Hunt Orthopaedic Hospital researching rheumatism the other is doing pure blue thinking research Liverpool Uni.
Guess there will be a lot more of that slipping out of the county under the radar. |
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"We did vote liberal Democrats for that reason. We feel the same about Brexit, as we don't want it to happen.
All as we are doing is turning back time. Feel sorry for the younger generation they will be the ones who suffer.
At least you voted for what you believed in. What happened to the other populace that believe in the same principles? I find it odd that the very party that championed to look and try and reverse the Brexit decision lost seats in the election. It doesn't make sense to me. If all the 15 million people would have put party alligence aside and voted for the Liberal Democrats the UK would indeed find itself possibly having another referendum. It just doesn't make sense to me that the party that offered this option were clearly forgotten in the last election by people who want to remain a part of the European Union. "
I think electorate had lost trust in the Lib Dems after their Conservative coalition, so distrust en masse was a major factor. |
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