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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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The cynic in me wonders if this is not just a ruse to tear apart two Party politics?
If there is another referendum, the conservatives and labour will probably drive themselves to distraction with internal fighting - just what they don't need before the next election. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"So he's now agreeing with the majority of remainers that another referendum should be called  "
You know we are really just waiting to hear centys spin on this... when he comes on off the ledge! |
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"The cynic in me wonders if this is not just a ruse to tear apart two Party politics?
If there is another referendum, the conservatives and labour will probably drive themselves to distraction with internal fighting - just what they don't need before the next election."
TBH I've already come to the conclusion that neither of the two main parties are fit for purpose any longer. I'd be quite happy to see them both break up and the extremes of both spin of into electrical obscurity. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Garage realises he won the battle but the war hasn't even begun.Im not interested in another referendum.Brexiters and kippers need to own the toxic shit storm brexit is.Its your baby Nigel.  |
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"So he's now agreeing with the majority of remainers that another referendum should be called
You know we are really just waiting to hear centys spin on this... when he comes on off the ledge! "
Yes I’m waiting to I just wonder if ?? |
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Yes there should be a referendum where full and clear information upon the options is available, before significant life altering decisions are taken on this.
This man is an opportunistic twat who the media should avoid. His time is passed, his party a busted flush. |
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Having finally 'got what he wanted' and destroyed his single mandate, Farage - after briefly fucking off to America and, like everyone, getting nothing from Trump - comes back home with his new master plan to propel himself back into the limelight...
"I propose eeeerm... another vote to support leaving, only more so? To destroy Britain's enemies... who've already lost."
Yeah that'll work, mate. Don't let your plane hit the ground on your way out. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"So he's now agreeing with the majority of remainers that another referendum should be called
You know we are really just waiting to hear centys spin on this... when he comes on off the ledge! "
Strange he hasn't commented on what his mates said don't you think? |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"So he's now agreeing with the majority of remainers that another referendum should be called
You know we are really just waiting to hear centys spin on this... when he comes on off the ledge!
Strange he hasn't commented on what his mates said don't you think? "
It will be a tough one for him. Probably biding his time to make sure there was no misquote or anything taken out of context whilst furiously trawling right wing websites and newspapers for a spin.
Herr Farage’s Disciples have had their brains whipped today - it will likely take them a while to put things back together. |
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"I'm not in favour of referendum period. They never resolve or solve anything and, as Thatcher and Atlee said, are the tool of demagogues and dictators. Never again!"
There won't be a 2nd referendum the government has already made a statement saying so since Farage made the comments earlier today. I can understand Farage's reasons for wanting another referendum as another win for Leave would in his view 'shut the remainers up for good' and settle the issue once and for all. I'm not so sure though, Remoaning, whining, bitching, whinging wankers like Blair and Clegg still wouldn't accept it if the country voted Leave for a 2nd time they would still try to sabotage the Brexit process.
Besides too much water has passed under the bridge now as Conservative MP Bill Cash said on sky news earlier today, Parliament voted with a huge majority for a referendum and the decision was given to the British people. The country chose Leave and Parliament voted with a majority again to trigger article 50.
Article 50 has been officially triggered and now the EU Withdrawal bill is well on its way through the Commons. It recently passed 2nd reading stage with only 1 ammendment added which was a Tory ammendment (all the Labour, SNP, Green, and Lib dem ammendments were rejected). Bill Cash said all of this work would have to be undone through acts of Parliament which simply now will never happen. As Jean Claude Juncker head of the EU even admitted a couple of days ago that Brexit will happen now and will not be reversed no matter how much opposition remainers kick up. Even the EU has resigned itself to the fact the UK is leaving on 29th March 2019. So I can understand Farage's reasons for saying what he said but it's just not going to happen.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"So he's now agreeing with the majority of remainers that another referendum should be called "
I am sure Farage is a better judge of the pulse of the nation than you will ever be.
We know what you think would happen but Farage is far smarter than you could ever dream of.
Like him or dislike him he keeps proving it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It doesn't take much cunning or guile to be a populist and promise people only good things, no bad things, if they do what you say.
Though he was self-aware enough not to not have anything to do with the enacting his stupid plan once it actually happened, so I guess that puts him one step above clowns like Trump.
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I wonder what the strong and stable maybot would vote as we all no she is s remainer at heart shame it wouldent happen as latest polls say remain are in front
Garage says in tomorrow’s telegraph that it’s all bollocks he doesn’t want another referendum it’s was a wind up
What a wanker he is |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I wonder what the strong and stable maybot would vote as we all no she is s remainer at heart shame it wouldent happen as latest polls say remain are in front
Garage says in tomorrow’s telegraph that it’s all bollocks he doesn’t want another referendum it’s was a wind up
What a wanker he is "
People who change the course of a nations history are not wankers they are the a special breed wheather good or bad |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Hmm Hitler and pol pot...Starlin and others are not wankers then...see the irony in your quote haha talk about cant fix stupid "
No they where not wankers,evil yes mad yes but not wankers.
I hate and despise corbyn but I would not call him a wanker,I respect his views,It is about having adult opinions |
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Everyone who voted leave will be wishing we did have a second vote, when the country is in ruins short of nurses in the NHS, Produce growers wanting Seasonal workers. City jobs Gone as all moved abroad. Be able to thank farage for what he has helped to ruin. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Everyone who voted leave will be wishing we did have a second vote, when the country is in ruins short of nurses in the NHS, Produce growers wanting Seasonal workers. City jobs Gone as all moved abroad. Be able to thank farage for what he has helped to ruin. "
I don't for one and of it did happen(which it wont)I would still vote to leave as I am more set on leaving than I was when we had the referendum.The reason is largely to do with the sad nasty attitude of remainers they discust me
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"I wonder what the strong and stable maybot would vote as we all no she is s remainer at heart shame it wouldent happen as latest polls say remain are in front
Garage says in tomorrow’s telegraph that it’s all bollocks he doesn’t want another referendum it’s was a wind up
What a wanker he is "
A poll last month showed there is no appetite in the country for a 2nd referendum. Only 16% in the poll said they wanted a 2nd referendum. Over 60% said they wanted the government to get on and deliver Brexit. |
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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago
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"Ahem,there is not a majority of remainers,the majority is leavers,as was proved by the referendum
A high number of leavers will have died off these last 18 months "
I doubt that very much |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Ahem,there is not a majority of remainers,the majority is leavers,as was proved by the referendum
A high number of leavers will have died off these last 18 months I doubt that very much "
New polls are showing people have changed there minds....that includes a lot of leaves....remainers say whats happened up to now just reinforces there vote.....and even good old Nige is saying there should be another referendum |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The outcome of the Brexit referendum would be reversed if it was held tomorrow, a poll suggests.
The Survation survey showed a clear majority of Britons (54 per cent) would vote to Remain in the European Union if another referendum was held, while 46 per cent would back Brexit. |
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"Ahem,there is not a majority of remainers,the majority is leavers,as was proved by the referendum
A high number of leavers will have died off these last 18 months I doubt that very much
New polls are showing people have changed there minds....that includes a lot of leaves....remainers say whats happened up to now just reinforces there vote.....and even good old Nige is saying there should be another referendum "
The government control whether we have a 2nd referendum or not and the government position is clear..... The government position is there will be no 2nd referendum. |
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"Ahem,there is not a majority of remainers,the majority is leavers,as was proved by the referendum
A high number of leavers will have died off these last 18 months I doubt that very much
New polls are showing people have changed there minds....that includes a lot of leaves....remainers say whats happened up to now just reinforces there vote.....and even good old Nige is saying there should be another referendum
The government control whether we have a 2nd referendum or not and the government position is clear..... The government position is there will be no 2nd referendum. "
And there won't be a snap election either. |
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"Ahem,there is not a majority of remainers,the majority is leavers,as was proved by the referendum
A high number of leavers will have died off these last 18 months I doubt that very much
New polls are showing people have changed there minds....that includes a lot of leaves....remainers say whats happened up to now just reinforces there vote.....and even good old Nige is saying there should be another referendum
The government control whether we have a 2nd referendum or not and the government position is clear..... The government position is there will be no 2nd referendum. "
But the almighty Nige has spoken!! |
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If there was to be another referendum which there won’t be latest polls say remain are in front
Many people who voted leave are sick to the back teeth of this government not just with the cock ups in the last year brexit the ge plus nhs no pay rises for nurses doctors etc police force at a all time low of coppers crime at a all time high
The country is fed up with it all
We are going no where with our strong and stable pm
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Imagine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If there was no Brexit!!!!!!!
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What would you sad lost people talk about!!!!!!!!!
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come on folks, get a life. "
Just because your interests are limited, it doesn't mean everyone's should be. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Imagine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If there was no Brexit!!!!!!!
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What would you sad lost people talk about!!!!!!!!!
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come on folks, get a life.
Just because your interests are limited, it doesn't mean everyone's should be."
Come on D John, you are as bad as most on here (Never off) you live your life on a pc or laptop, look at your timelines |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Bring it on I say as I would be interested in seeing just how much things have changed.
They waste more money on useless surveys and projects than it would cost 
Then at least it would settle it once and for all either way.
But what happens if it was so close again? If as they say the 18 to 24’s could not be assed to even bother then it should be a landslide for the remain! |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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Good idea, have another referendum on the in/out issue. What happens if it's not the answer individual's are seeking?
Correct me if I'm wrong but was the last referendum in favour of leaving? Will the next referendum be in favour of staying? (if there is one)
You can't please everyone, that's life! However as children often do, if you stamp your feet and shout loud enough you quite possibly get what you want. |
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I listened to Farage's LBC broadcast where he spoke about a second referendum. And for the second time in a week I found myself agreeing with him and his thinking.
I for one did not think he was advocating a second referendum because he has changed his mind, but that he is advocating that the leave side prepare for a second referendum and force the government to make provisions for one should the leave deal be struck down by parliament. Incidentally, he now accepts, after his meeting with Jean Paul Juncker that this is highly likely because we will not get a comprehensive trade deal giving our manufacturing and services free access to the single market. Further his justification for his position is based on the fact that the pro remain lobby is still visibly active and still campaigning while the leave lobby is now effectively nonexistent, with its former leaders now part of the government and bound by the Cabinet and Ministerial code of collective decision making and responsibility.
Regardless of my views (which most here will know), I think Farage is right in his thinking and for the sake of democracy his words should be heeded and acted on. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I listened to Farage's LBC broadcast where he spoke about a second referendum. And for the second time in a week I found myself agreeing with him and his thinking.
I for one did not think he was advocating a second referendum because he has changed his mind, but that he is advocating that the leave side prepare for a second referendum and force the government to make provisions for one should the leave deal be struck down by parliament. Incidentally, he now accepts, after his meeting with Jean Paul Juncker that this is highly likely because we will not get a comprehensive trade deal giving our manufacturing and services free access to the single market. Further his justification for his position is based on the fact that the pro remain lobby is still visibly active and still campaigning while the leave lobby is now effectively nonexistent, with its former leaders now part of the government and bound by the Cabinet and Ministerial code of collective decision making and responsibility.
Regardless of my views (which most here will know), I think Farage is right in his thinking and for the sake of democracy his words should be heeded and acted on."
But isnt that what most people have been saying apart from theb most ardent brexiters ? |
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"But isnt that what most people have been saying apart from theb most ardent brexiters ?"
Not really. Most remainers have been saying we will get a bad deal. And some have been campaigning for a second referendum after we know what the deal is. This is not the same as most of the country saying either. In fact it is just as disingenuous as the leave campaign claiming the majority of the country voted to leave.
The fact is this issue has so fractured the country that many on both sides are unable to hear what the other side is saying. In fact I am reminded of listening to the older generations talking about the Germans and Japanese in the 60's. There is the same sort of deep rooted hatred for the 'enemy' and refusal to engage with anyone that has anything positive to say about them that I witnessed in those that fought and were held prisoner by the Japanese especially. |
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"But isnt that what most people have been saying apart from theb most ardent brexiters ?
Not really. Most remainers have been saying we will get a bad deal. And some have been campaigning for a second referendum after we know what the deal is. This is not the same as most of the country saying either. In fact it is just as disingenuous as the leave campaign claiming the majority of the country voted to leave.
The fact is this issue has so fractured the country that many on both sides are unable to hear what the other side is saying. In fact I am reminded of listening to the older generations talking about the Germans and Japanese in the 60's. There is the same sort of deep rooted hatred for the 'enemy' and refusal to engage with anyone that has anything positive to say about them that I witnessed in those that fought and were held prisoner by the Japanese especially."
They used to insist that they would refuse to buy anything Japanese! They'd struggle in today's world. But I do agree entirely with your post. We had a poorly organized referendum with no checks and balances, with no power to block false statements and as we are finding out now the dirty illegal tricks pulled by UK organizations & foreign governments. I wonder how many 23 yr old students get £700k worth of investment! A total sham and controls need to be in place and rigourous - no good after the event it's too late then. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Imagine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If there was no Brexit!!!!!!!
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What would you sad lost people talk about!!!!!!!!!
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come on folks, get a life.
Just because your interests are limited, it doesn't mean everyone's should be.
Come on D John, you are as bad as most on here (Never off) you live your life on a pc or laptop, look at your timelines"
I would ask the question of how you could know that people are "never off" without being online for an equal or greater amount of time yourself, but I feel you didn't really think about what you were saying in the first place. |
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"Imagine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If there was no Brexit!!!!!!!
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What would you sad lost people talk about!!!!!!!!!
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come on folks, get a life.
Just because your interests are limited, it doesn't mean everyone's should be.
Come on D John, you are as bad as most on here (Never off) you live your life on a pc or laptop, look at your timelines
I would ask the question of how you could know that people are "never off" without being online for an equal or greater amount of time yourself, but I feel you didn't really think about what you were saying in the first place."
He said look at your timelines. A simple press of the green arrow would show how often you've been posting here. It's really not difficult. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Imagine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If there was no Brexit!!!!!!!
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What would you sad lost people talk about!!!!!!!!!
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come on folks, get a life.
Just because your interests are limited, it doesn't mean everyone's should be.
Come on D John, you are as bad as most on here (Never off) you live your life on a pc or laptop, look at your timelines
I would ask the question of how you could know that people are "never off" without being online for an equal or greater amount of time yourself, but I feel you didn't really think about what you were saying in the first place.
He said look at your timelines. A simple press of the green arrow would show how often you've been posting here. It's really not difficult. "
I think he can fuck up his own argument without your help. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well, he has had his MEP salary docked to recoup misspent public funds intended for staffing his office.
Which shouldn't come as a surprise, as Farage is, at heart, a grifter. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So, supposing we do get another referendum . . . and, for arguments sake's the result is once again to leave the EU, how many of the remainer's on here accept the result?
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I would think most would. However there needs to be checks and balances in place. Anyone who lies is suspended from making anymore contact with the public. If an MP they lose their seat. Immediate intervention is needed - it's too late after the event. Any foreign "bots" closed down too. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"So, supposing we do get another referendum . . . and, for arguments sake's the result is once again to leave the EU, how many of the remainer's on here accept the result?
I would think most would. However there needs to be checks and balances in place. Anyone who lies is suspended from making anymore contact with the public. If an MP they lose their seat. Immediate intervention is needed - it's too late after the event. Any foreign "bots" closed down too."
Good Lord, there'll be no one left in parliament! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Parliamentarians should be the most upstanding people in the country. Working for the country as a whole, not themselves. Alas no longer the case. But an MP who lies has no right to remain in the post - no matter which party they represent. Trust is everything. |
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