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"How many copies of the paper on average do Virgin sell on their trains? Did they give the figures? I would imagine the figure to be pretty small anyway as most people would buy their morning paper from shops on the way to the train station or at a news stand in the train station before boarding. Would Virgin trains bar or stop people from coming onto their trains if they were carrying a copy of the newspaper? Seems like a pretty ridiculous and petty policy to me and some avid Daily Mail readers could now look for alternative trains to use other than Virgin over this. This is nothing short of an attempt at corporate censorship by Virgin trains, so much for living in a free country? " Refusing to carry something that wasn't selling isn't censorship. | |||
"How many copies of the paper on average do Virgin sell on their trains? Did they give the figures? I would imagine the figure to be pretty small anyway as most people would buy their morning paper from shops on the way to the train station or at a news stand in the train station before boarding. Would Virgin trains bar or stop people from coming onto their trains if they were carrying a copy of the newspaper? Seems like a pretty ridiculous and petty policy to me and some avid Daily Mail readers could now look for alternative trains to use other than Virgin over this. This is nothing short of an attempt at corporate censorship by Virgin trains, so much for living in a free country? Refusing to carry something that wasn't selling isn't censorship." Who said it wasn't selling? Have Virgin Trains released the sales figures then? | |||
"How many copies of the paper on average do Virgin sell on their trains? Did they give the figures? I would imagine the figure to be pretty small anyway as most people would buy their morning paper from shops on the way to the train station or at a news stand in the train station before boarding. Would Virgin trains bar or stop people from coming onto their trains if they were carrying a copy of the newspaper? Seems like a pretty ridiculous and petty policy to me and some avid Daily Mail readers could now look for alternative trains to use other than Virgin over this. This is nothing short of an attempt at corporate censorship by Virgin trains, so much for living in a free country? Refusing to carry something that wasn't selling isn't censorship. Who said it wasn't selling? Have Virgin Trains released the sales figures then? " "The Virgin spokesperson added that when it stocked the paper, it only sold one copy for every four trains." | |||
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"It might be that they're just saving space by cutting away some worthless chaff and taking the opportunity to appear brave and socially aware by claiming it's to do with the Mail not sharing it's values. Virgin is a pretty awful company, after all. But it's still not censorship." Brave and Socially aware? That has to be a joke right. 
All Virgin Trains have done with this move is make themselves look like pompous, self righteous morons. | |||
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"Is there some sort of rift developing in all walks of life? A divide, two factions, both taking the moral high ground. Both arguing their point, both believe they are right? To remove something because the editorial doesn't fit in with your agenda or what you support sends a clear message. Pretty obvious coming from the Branson brand. I wonder where his loyalties lie? Possibly a few folk will be taking their business elsewhere, feel a tad sorry for the folk who don't have a choice and have to use that particular brand. " For those people who don't have a choice to use an alternative train service the solution is very simple, just by The Mail from a shop or news stand before you board the train. Then they can sit there smug reading it while going on their train journey. This policy from VT won't achieve anything. | |||
"Who wants to be associated with hate and incitement of violence.Savy move. "I don't see it like that. I see this as a violation of freedom of choice. | |||
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"Who wants to be associated with hate and incitement of violence.Savy move.
I don't see it like that. I see this as a violation of freedom of choice. "you poor poor lamb.. when that piece of shit paper is calling MP's 'traitors' and other vile things so much so that some get death threats you lose your voice? and now because a train company wont stock it your having a fucking hissy fit and ranting such bollocks as censorship and freedom of choice being violated.. fucks sake fella give your head a wobble, your principles are seriously fucked up.. | |||
"Guys you can even read mein kampf on any train boat or plane its a free country. "Crikey Bob that's one hell of a read that book, does your head in after a few pages! | |||
"Who wants to be associated with hate and incitement of violence.Savy move.
I don't see it like that. I see this as a violation of freedom of choice. "Go try selling The Sun outside Anfield if you think something like this is a violation of freedom of choice. | |||
"It might be that they're just saving space by cutting away some worthless chaff and taking the opportunity to appear brave and socially aware by claiming it's to do with the Mail not sharing it's values. Virgin is a pretty awful company, after all. But it's still not censorship. Brave and Socially aware? That has to be a joke right.
All Virgin Trains have done with this move is make themselves look like pompous, self righteous morons. "Seeing as they sold one copy per every four trains, I think they're fairly well insulated from the impotent rage of people who would categorise them as either "pompous" or "self righteous". | |||
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"I wouldn’t wipe my arse on the daily fail....... However, it is MY choice not to buy it (and their choice to print the shite they do to be fair). I, therefore, have to disagree with Virgin trains...for taking away my, and other people’s, choice to boycott the crap for ourselves! Two wrongs don’t make a right....!" If they sold 1 per 4 trains, it's no great loss. I'm sure they have dropped other similarly poorly selling titles without any media attention. | |||
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"For those people who don't have a choice to use an alternative train service the solution is very simple, just by The Mail from a shop or news stand before you board the train. Then they can sit there smug reading it while going on their train journey. This policy from VT won't achieve anything. " Really? It seems to have raised your blood pressure and that of a lot of others who claim to be all about freedom and liberty but want to dictate what VT have too sell. I wonder if you see an inconsistency in your (and their) position? Now don't burst a blood vessel. | |||
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"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?" " What a load of bollocks  | |||
"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?" " Godwin. | |||
"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?" " Really? You equate a private enterprise refusing to stock a newspaper with a government destroying books and art it considered degenerate. Did you complain when the Tories banned schools from teaching pupils about homosexuality? Or is your problem that VT are refusing to carry the rag that was pro the Nazi book burners in the 30's and is now pumping out the same thinly veiled vile shite today? | |||
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"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?" " Do you think virgin trains should be forced to stock all newspapers? | |||
"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?" " its a bizarre and unjustified comparison, ironic too given the Daily Mail openly supported the Nazi's.. their recent vile headlines calling MP's traitors and whipping up some fuckwits to make death threats puts their drivel in the gutter but guess what they shouldn't be banned as a publication, maybe prosecuted for hate speech but that's another thread.. no books or publications have been burned or banned from publication, it's 2018 and anyone can if they choose access whatever paper they want on their phone or even pick one up in the station prior to boarding.. | |||
"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?" " Hubbys not very bright it seems. According to the right wingers Virgin should have to stock every paper and magazine thats in print then? What about books? Refusing to stock books violates a persons right to read books instead of magazines or papers. Maybe we should turn trains into fully stocked newsagents and libraries. There wont be much room left for passengers but what few remain wont have their rights violated because Virgin wont stock "Hoist" the magazine for people who use factory cranes or "The Hat Magazine" for....well I think you can figure that one out....wait forgot that we have people equating a train not stocking a paper they werent selling many of to Nazi Germanys government policy of censorship. Its a magazine about hats for people who really like hats. | |||
"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?" "
Seeing as you bring up the burning of books it reminds me of the Corbyn cult Momentum morons who started buying up large amounts of copies of The Daily Mail and The Sun just before the general election in 2017, then making mini bonfires to burn them on. Before anyone denies it these idiots filmed it and posted the footage on various forms of social media. It was then also reported on in the press. The far left just cannot abide anyone having a different opinion to their own, and they claim to despise everything the Nazis stood for, then they go out of their way to copy and mimic the Nazi book burning process of written texts and ideologies they disagree with. Actions speak louder than words. | |||
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"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. " Your husband must be very old then. | |||
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"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?"
Seeing as you bring up the burning of books it reminds me of the Corbyn cult Momentum morons who started buying up large amounts of copies of The Daily Mail and The Sun just before the general election in 2017, then making mini bonfires to burn them on. Before anyone denies it these idiots filmed it and posted the footage on various forms of social media. It was then also reported on in the press. The far left just cannot abide anyone having a different opinion to their own, and they claim to despise everything the Nazis stood for, then they go out of their way to copy and mimic the Nazi book burning process of written texts and ideologies they disagree with. Actions speak louder than words. "more bile and hypocrisy from you Centaur, the man who refuses to condemn people who wear the regalia of the KKK and the Nazi's.. in your case lack of words speaks volumes.. | |||
"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?"
Seeing as you bring up the burning of books it reminds me of the Corbyn cult Momentum morons who started buying up large amounts of copies of The Daily Mail and The Sun just before the general election in 2017, then making mini bonfires to burn them on. Before anyone denies it these idiots filmed it and posted the footage on various forms of social media. It was then also reported on in the press. The far left just cannot abide anyone having a different opinion to their own, and they claim to despise everything the Nazis stood for, then they go out of their way to copy and mimic the Nazi book burning process of written texts and ideologies they disagree with. Actions speak louder than words. "Seeing as those devilish leftists bought copies of the newspaper themselves, and are free to do as they please with it, and the Nazis confiscated books from other people and burned them, you'd probably want to try harder if you want to make a comparison that isn't so obviously wrong. | |||
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"more bile and hypocrisy from you Centaur, the man who refuses to condemn people who wear the regalia of the KKK and the Nazi's.. in your case lack of words speaks volumes.." If Centy lived in the US he would probably have a red pointy hat with mask and dress with a big cross on it (if they would have him), and have been proudly marching with his tiki torch AR15 and combats in Charlottesville screaming 'Blut und Boden' if his posts here are anything to go by. | |||
"(BBC News)... Virgin Trains has announced that it is going to stop selling the Daily Mail newspaper on its West Coast trains. A spokesperson for Virgin said it regularly reviewed products sold on its trains, adding that "after listening to feedback from our people" it decided to stop stocking copies of the paper. Drew McMillan, head of colleague communication and engagement at Virgin... "There's been considerable concern raised by colleagues about the Mail's editorial position on issues such as immigration, LGBT rights and unemployment. "We've decided that this paper is not compatible with the VT brand and our beliefs."" Didn't the daily mail run something about virgin trains about ticket price increases and virgin being bailed out by the taxpayer? | |||
"Didn't the daily mail run something about virgin trains about ticket price increases and virgin being bailed out by the taxpayer? " You would need to ask a Mail reader... I doubt that many here would be willing to admit to that... Centy will know. | |||
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"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?"
Seeing as you bring up the burning of books it reminds me of the Corbyn cult Momentum morons who started buying up large amounts of copies of The Daily Mail and The Sun just before the general election in 2017, then making mini bonfires to burn them on. Before anyone denies it these idiots filmed it and posted the footage on various forms of social media. It was then also reported on in the press. The far left just cannot abide anyone having a different opinion to their own, and they claim to despise everything the Nazis stood for, then they go out of their way to copy and mimic the Nazi book burning process of written texts and ideologies they disagree with. Actions speak louder than words.
more bile and hypocrisy from you Centaur, the man who refuses to condemn people who wear the regalia of the KKK and the Nazi's..
in your case lack of words speaks volumes.."For the umpteenth time on numerous threads, both sides were condemned in Charlottesville, both the Nazi wearing, KKK mob and on the other side the Antifa all dressed in black. Just how many times on how many threads do you want to have the same discussion????????????? | |||
"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned. "Centaur probably brought a copy.. did it also come with crayons? | |||
"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?"
Seeing as you bring up the burning of books it reminds me of the Corbyn cult Momentum morons who started buying up large amounts of copies of The Daily Mail and The Sun just before the general election in 2017, then making mini bonfires to burn them on. Before anyone denies it these idiots filmed it and posted the footage on various forms of social media. It was then also reported on in the press. The far left just cannot abide anyone having a different opinion to their own, and they claim to despise everything the Nazis stood for, then they go out of their way to copy and mimic the Nazi book burning process of written texts and ideologies they disagree with. Actions speak louder than words.
more bile and hypocrisy from you Centaur, the man who refuses to condemn people who wear the regalia of the KKK and the Nazi's..
in your case lack of words speaks volumes..
For the umpteenth time on numerous threads, both sides were condemned in Charlottesville, both the Nazi wearing, KKK mob and on the other side the Antifa all dressed in black. Just how many times on how many threads do you want to have the same discussion?????????????"More lies.... you never condemned them....people know on here you didnt...thats why you get called out over them | |||
"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?"
Seeing as you bring up the burning of books it reminds me of the Corbyn cult Momentum morons who started buying up large amounts of copies of The Daily Mail and The Sun just before the general election in 2017, then making mini bonfires to burn them on. Before anyone denies it these idiots filmed it and posted the footage on various forms of social media. It was then also reported on in the press. The far left just cannot abide anyone having a different opinion to their own, and they claim to despise everything the Nazis stood for, then they go out of their way to copy and mimic the Nazi book burning process of written texts and ideologies they disagree with. Actions speak louder than words.
more bile and hypocrisy from you Centaur, the man who refuses to condemn people who wear the regalia of the KKK and the Nazi's..
in your case lack of words speaks volumes..
For the umpteenth time on numerous threads, both sides were condemned in Charlottesville, both the Nazi wearing, KKK mob and on the other side the Antifa all dressed in black. Just how many times on how many threads do you want to have the same discussion?????????????"When you answer the question instead of hiding behind cowardly rhetoric as you have done.. Do you condemn anyone who past, present or even the future who wears the regalia of the Nazi's and or the KKK? | |||
"more bile and hypocrisy from you Centaur, the man who refuses to condemn people who wear the regalia of the KKK and the Nazi's.. in your case lack of words speaks volumes.. If Centy lived in the US he would probably have a red pointy hat with mask and dress with a big cross on it (if they would have him), and have been proudly marching with his tiki torch AR15 and combats in Charlottesville screaming 'Blut und Boden' if his posts here are anything to go by." No doubt if Will lived in the USA he'd have been wearing a black balaclava and dressed from head to toe in black, marching with the violent Antifa (if they would have him), and proudly marching with his baseball bat and combat knife in Charlottesville screaming "let's keep the red flag flying here" if his posts here are anything to go by. | |||
"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned.
Centaur probably brought a copy..
did it also come with crayons?
"Awww didums are you jealous, seeing as you've only got one piece of chalk to scrawl with. | |||
"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned.
Centaur probably brought a copy..
did it also come with crayons?
"But hes not a Kipper....hes more extreme than a kipper | |||
"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?"
Seeing as you bring up the burning of books it reminds me of the Corbyn cult Momentum morons who started buying up large amounts of copies of The Daily Mail and The Sun just before the general election in 2017, then making mini bonfires to burn them on. Before anyone denies it these idiots filmed it and posted the footage on various forms of social media. It was then also reported on in the press. The far left just cannot abide anyone having a different opinion to their own, and they claim to despise everything the Nazis stood for, then they go out of their way to copy and mimic the Nazi book burning process of written texts and ideologies they disagree with. Actions speak louder than words.
more bile and hypocrisy from you Centaur, the man who refuses to condemn people who wear the regalia of the KKK and the Nazi's..
in your case lack of words speaks volumes..
For the umpteenth time on numerous threads, both sides were condemned in Charlottesville, both the Nazi wearing, KKK mob and on the other side the Antifa all dressed in black. Just how many times on how many threads do you want to have the same discussion?????????????
When you answer the question instead of hiding behind cowardly rhetoric as you have done..
Do you condemn anyone who past, present or even the future who wears the regalia of the Nazi's and or the KKK?
"Both sides were condemned in Charlottesville, which part of that statement don't you understand? | |||
"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?"
Seeing as you bring up the burning of books it reminds me of the Corbyn cult Momentum morons who started buying up large amounts of copies of The Daily Mail and The Sun just before the general election in 2017, then making mini bonfires to burn them on. Before anyone denies it these idiots filmed it and posted the footage on various forms of social media. It was then also reported on in the press. The far left just cannot abide anyone having a different opinion to their own, and they claim to despise everything the Nazis stood for, then they go out of their way to copy and mimic the Nazi book burning process of written texts and ideologies they disagree with. Actions speak louder than words.
more bile and hypocrisy from you Centaur, the man who refuses to condemn people who wear the regalia of the KKK and the Nazi's..
in your case lack of words speaks volumes..
For the umpteenth time on numerous threads, both sides were condemned in Charlottesville, both the Nazi wearing, KKK mob and on the other side the Antifa all dressed in black. Just how many times on how many threads do you want to have the same discussion?????????????"Not everyone is brave enough to condemn not only the man who drove his car into a crowd of protesters, but also the woman he killed. | |||
"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned.
Centaur probably brought a copy..
did it also come with crayons?
But hes not a Kipper....hes more extreme than a kipper "No I'm just a Ukip supporter, anything else only exists in this fantasy land you've created in your head. Sorry to disappoint you. | |||
"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?"
Seeing as you bring up the burning of books it reminds me of the Corbyn cult Momentum morons who started buying up large amounts of copies of The Daily Mail and The Sun just before the general election in 2017, then making mini bonfires to burn them on. Before anyone denies it these idiots filmed it and posted the footage on various forms of social media. It was then also reported on in the press. The far left just cannot abide anyone having a different opinion to their own, and they claim to despise everything the Nazis stood for, then they go out of their way to copy and mimic the Nazi book burning process of written texts and ideologies they disagree with. Actions speak louder than words.
more bile and hypocrisy from you Centaur, the man who refuses to condemn people who wear the regalia of the KKK and the Nazi's..
in your case lack of words speaks volumes..
For the umpteenth time on numerous threads, both sides were condemned in Charlottesville, both the Nazi wearing, KKK mob and on the other side the Antifa all dressed in black. Just how many times on how many threads do you want to have the same discussion?????????????
When you answer the question instead of hiding behind cowardly rhetoric as you have done..
Do you condemn anyone who past, present or even the future who wears the regalia of the Nazi's and or the KKK?
Both sides were condemned in Charlottesville, which part of that statement don't you understand? "the question is not about what happened in Charlottesville, everyone has seen that you are unwilling to condemn the Nazi's and the KKK.. The question direct to you now is as above.. will you Centaur condemn those who wear the regalia of the Nazi's and the KKK..? now, today publicly on here..? | |||
"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned.
Centaur probably brought a copy..
did it also come with crayons?
But hes not a Kipper....hes more extreme than a kipper
No I'm just a Ukip supporter, anything else only exists in this fantasy land you've created in your head. Sorry to disappoint you. "Condemn them then...not just the same old bullshit....condemn those pointy hatters | |||
"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?"
Seeing as you bring up the burning of books it reminds me of the Corbyn cult Momentum morons who started buying up large amounts of copies of The Daily Mail and The Sun just before the general election in 2017, then making mini bonfires to burn them on. Before anyone denies it these idiots filmed it and posted the footage on various forms of social media. It was then also reported on in the press. The far left just cannot abide anyone having a different opinion to their own, and they claim to despise everything the Nazis stood for, then they go out of their way to copy and mimic the Nazi book burning process of written texts and ideologies they disagree with. Actions speak louder than words.
more bile and hypocrisy from you Centaur, the man who refuses to condemn people who wear the regalia of the KKK and the Nazi's..
in your case lack of words speaks volumes..
For the umpteenth time on numerous threads, both sides were condemned in Charlottesville, both the Nazi wearing, KKK mob and on the other side the Antifa all dressed in black. Just how many times on how many threads do you want to have the same discussion?????????????
Not everyone is brave enough to condemn not only the man who drove his car into a crowd of protesters, but also the woman he killed."There were a large element of the Antifa that day who were dressed from head to toe in black and were wearing balaclavas, also carrying various weapons, video footage was on the news, those are the Antifa who were condemned. | |||
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"(BBC News)... Virgin Trains has announced that it is going to stop selling the Daily Mail newspaper on its West Coast trains. A spokesperson for Virgin said it regularly reviewed products sold on its trains, adding that "after listening to feedback from our people" it decided to stop stocking copies of the paper. Drew McMillan, head of colleague communication and engagement at Virgin... "There's been considerable concern raised by colleagues about the Mail's editorial position on issues such as immigration, LGBT rights and unemployment. "We've decided that this paper is not compatible with the VT brand and our beliefs." Didn't the daily mail run something about virgin trains about ticket price increases and virgin being bailed out by the taxpayer? " Not sure about that, but I think the Daily Mail ran the story of Jeremy Corbyn sitting on the floor of a train when he pretended there were no seats available for him. Maybe it was a Virgin Train? As the train company later showed the cctv footage of Corbyn's journey it showed there were plenty of seats available. Shock, horror Corbyn is a liar and attempted to deceive people,.... but he got caught out. | |||
"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?"
Seeing as you bring up the burning of books it reminds me of the Corbyn cult Momentum morons who started buying up large amounts of copies of The Daily Mail and The Sun just before the general election in 2017, then making mini bonfires to burn them on. Before anyone denies it these idiots filmed it and posted the footage on various forms of social media. It was then also reported on in the press. The far left just cannot abide anyone having a different opinion to their own, and they claim to despise everything the Nazis stood for, then they go out of their way to copy and mimic the Nazi book burning process of written texts and ideologies they disagree with. Actions speak louder than words.
more bile and hypocrisy from you Centaur, the man who refuses to condemn people who wear the regalia of the KKK and the Nazi's..
in your case lack of words speaks volumes..
For the umpteenth time on numerous threads, both sides were condemned in Charlottesville, both the Nazi wearing, KKK mob and on the other side the Antifa all dressed in black. Just how many times on how many threads do you want to have the same discussion?????????????
When you answer the question instead of hiding behind cowardly rhetoric as you have done..
Do you condemn anyone who past, present or even the future who wears the regalia of the Nazi's and or the KKK?
Both sides were condemned in Charlottesville, which part of that statement don't you understand?
the question is not about what happened in Charlottesville, everyone has seen that you are unwilling to condemn the Nazi's and the KKK..
The question direct to you now is as above..
will you Centaur condemn those who wear the regalia of the Nazi's and the KKK..?
now, today publicly on here..?
"I condemn them equally as the Antifa on the other side who dressed from head to toe in black and were wearing balaclavas that day. Do you condemn both sides or do you only condemn the Nazi/KKK side? | |||
"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?"
Seeing as you bring up the burning of books it reminds me of the Corbyn cult Momentum morons who started buying up large amounts of copies of The Daily Mail and The Sun just before the general election in 2017, then making mini bonfires to burn them on. Before anyone denies it these idiots filmed it and posted the footage on various forms of social media. It was then also reported on in the press. The far left just cannot abide anyone having a different opinion to their own, and they claim to despise everything the Nazis stood for, then they go out of their way to copy and mimic the Nazi book burning process of written texts and ideologies they disagree with. Actions speak louder than words.
more bile and hypocrisy from you Centaur, the man who refuses to condemn people who wear the regalia of the KKK and the Nazi's..
in your case lack of words speaks volumes..
For the umpteenth time on numerous threads, both sides were condemned in Charlottesville, both the Nazi wearing, KKK mob and on the other side the Antifa all dressed in black. Just how many times on how many threads do you want to have the same discussion?????????????
Not everyone is brave enough to condemn not only the man who drove his car into a crowd of protesters, but also the woman he killed.
There were a large element of the Antifa that day who were dressed from head to toe in black and were wearing balaclavas, also carrying various weapons, video footage was on the news, those are the Antifa who were condemned. "And? Antifascists of my grandad's generation carried guns. Unless you think we were misguided in 1939-45? | |||
"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned.
Centaur probably brought a copy..
did it also come with crayons?
But hes not a Kipper....hes more extreme than a kipper
No I'm just a Ukip supporter, anything else only exists in this fantasy land you've created in your head. Sorry to disappoint you.
Condemn them then...not just the same old bullshit....condemn those pointy hatters"I already have done numerous times now on this thread and many other threads.....that's what 'both sides were condemned' means. Do you condemn both sides or do you only condemn the Nazi/KKK side? Will you publicly condemn the Antifa on here? | |||
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"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned.
Centaur probably brought a copy..
did it also come with crayons?
But hes not a Kipper....hes more extreme than a kipper
No I'm just a Ukip supporter, anything else only exists in this fantasy land you've created in your head. Sorry to disappoint you.
Condemn them then...not just the same old bullshit....condemn those pointy hatters
I already have done numerous times now on this thread and many other threads.....that's what 'both sides were condemned' means. Do you condemn both sides or do you only condemn the Nazi/KKK side? Will you publicly condemn the Antifa on here? "I condemn the fascists and Nazi's...theres no place in a civilised society for people like that...EDL...NF...and English first....even your government recognises that | |||
"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned.
Centaur probably brought a copy..
did it also come with crayons?
But hes not a Kipper....hes more extreme than a kipper
No I'm just a Ukip supporter, anything else only exists in this fantasy land you've created in your head. Sorry to disappoint you.
Condemn them then...not just the same old bullshit....condemn those pointy hatters
I already have done numerous times now on this thread and many other threads.....that's what 'both sides were condemned' means. Do you condemn both sides or do you only condemn the Nazi/KKK side? Will you publicly condemn the Antifa on here? "I'll only condemn the Nazis. Anybody taking the fight to the Fascists is somebody to be lauded - Anybody else forgets the sacrifice made by those in WW2 and is the kind of non-poppy wearing apologist liberal who society doesn't need. | |||
"He wont ever condemn thm...there his own ilk "So you won't publicly condemn the violent Antifa then? Thought not.  | |||
"He wont ever condemn thm...there his own ilk
So you won't publicly condemn the violent Antifa then? Thought not. "Why is violence against Fascists to be condemned? | |||
"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned.
Centaur probably brought a copy..
did it also come with crayons?
But hes not a Kipper....hes more extreme than a kipper
No I'm just a Ukip supporter, anything else only exists in this fantasy land you've created in your head. Sorry to disappoint you.
Condemn them then...not just the same old bullshit....condemn those pointy hatters
I already have done numerous times now on this thread and many other threads.....that's what 'both sides were condemned' means. Do you condemn both sides or do you only condemn the Nazi/KKK side? Will you publicly condemn the Antifa on here?
I'll only condemn the Nazis.
Anybody taking the fight to the Fascists is somebody to be lauded - Anybody else forgets the sacrifice made by those in WW2 and is the kind of non-poppy wearing apologist liberal who society doesn't need. "Not surprised. You'll turn a blind eye to the violet leftists in the Antifa, who clubbed and beat people with bats that day, as long as it fits with your ideology though that's okay. | |||
"He wont ever condemn thm...there his own ilk
So you won't publicly condemn the violent Antifa then? Thought not. "If a man walked down the street and heard a woman getting r@ped in the bushes, then ran in, pushed him off and punched him in the face, would you condemn the violent anti-r@pist? | |||
"He wont ever condemn thm...there his own ilk
So you won't publicly condemn the violent Antifa then? Thought not. "No i wont never ever i applaud there actions in fighting fascism...i hope you do....but somehow i dont think you do...my thoughts are with the lady who the racist thug ran over and killed | |||
"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?"
Seeing as you bring up the burning of books it reminds me of the Corbyn cult Momentum morons who started buying up large amounts of copies of The Daily Mail and The Sun just before the general election in 2017, then making mini bonfires to burn them on. Before anyone denies it these idiots filmed it and posted the footage on various forms of social media. It was then also reported on in the press. The far left just cannot abide anyone having a different opinion to their own, and they claim to despise everything the Nazis stood for, then they go out of their way to copy and mimic the Nazi book burning process of written texts and ideologies they disagree with. Actions speak louder than words.
more bile and hypocrisy from you Centaur, the man who refuses to condemn people who wear the regalia of the KKK and the Nazi's..
in your case lack of words speaks volumes..
For the umpteenth time on numerous threads, both sides were condemned in Charlottesville, both the Nazi wearing, KKK mob and on the other side the Antifa all dressed in black. Just how many times on how many threads do you want to have the same discussion?????????????
When you answer the question instead of hiding behind cowardly rhetoric as you have done..
Do you condemn anyone who past, present or even the future who wears the regalia of the Nazi's and or the KKK?
Both sides were condemned in Charlottesville, which part of that statement don't you understand?
the question is not about what happened in Charlottesville, everyone has seen that you are unwilling to condemn the Nazi's and the KKK..
The question direct to you now is as above..
will you Centaur condemn those who wear the regalia of the Nazi's and the KKK..?
now, today publicly on here..?
I condemn them equally as the Antifa on the other side who dressed from head to toe in black and were wearing balaclavas that day. Do you condemn both sides or do you only condemn the Nazi/KKK side? "I will never condemn anyone who stands up to and fights if needed the vile racist fascists, not in the past nor in the future.. i wont condemn the many good people of this and other countries who fought the evil that was fascism in WW2, who gave their lives so that you and i can live in this country without being under their yoke.. nor will i condemn those who fought the same fascists in Spain.. that's the difference between you and i Centaur, i see the evil inherent in those who wear the regalia of those disgusting butchers the Nazi's.. you see like minded people.. Violence is not how we make our points, or express our political differences and those who march wearing the regalia of the KKK and the Nazi's should like those who are the IS/ taliban etc be equally condemned by all no matter who we are.. | |||
"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned.
Centaur probably brought a copy..
did it also come with crayons?
But hes not a Kipper....hes more extreme than a kipper
No I'm just a Ukip supporter, anything else only exists in this fantasy land you've created in your head. Sorry to disappoint you.
Condemn them then...not just the same old bullshit....condemn those pointy hatters
I already have done numerous times now on this thread and many other threads.....that's what 'both sides were condemned' means. Do you condemn both sides or do you only condemn the Nazi/KKK side? Will you publicly condemn the Antifa on here?
I condemn the fascists and Nazi's...theres no place in a civilised society for people like that...EDL...NF...and English first....even your government recognises that "There's no place in society for violent balaclava wearing Antifas either. You'll turn a blind eye to thuggish and violent behaviour as long as it fits with your ideology. Everyone knows now. | |||
"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned.
Centaur probably brought a copy..
did it also come with crayons?
But hes not a Kipper....hes more extreme than a kipper
No I'm just a Ukip supporter, anything else only exists in this fantasy land you've created in your head. Sorry to disappoint you.
Condemn them then...not just the same old bullshit....condemn those pointy hatters
I already have done numerous times now on this thread and many other threads.....that's what 'both sides were condemned' means. Do you condemn both sides or do you only condemn the Nazi/KKK side? Will you publicly condemn the Antifa on here?
I'll only condemn the Nazis.
Anybody taking the fight to the Fascists is somebody to be lauded - Anybody else forgets the sacrifice made by those in WW2 and is the kind of non-poppy wearing apologist liberal who society doesn't need.
Not surprised. You'll turn a blind eye to the violet leftists in the Antifa, who clubbed and beat people with bats that day, as long as it fits with your ideology though that's okay. "Of course it's ok. One of my grandads went to Fight Franco. The other fought Rommel in the African Desert. I am proud of them, I despise fascism and fascists. They deserve nothing less than the bullet or the bayonet. I'm sure you'd appease them, wouldn't you? Look up "Neville Chamberlain" see where that gets you. | |||
"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned.
Centaur probably brought a copy..
did it also come with crayons?
But hes not a Kipper....hes more extreme than a kipper
No I'm just a Ukip supporter, anything else only exists in this fantasy land you've created in your head. Sorry to disappoint you.
Condemn them then...not just the same old bullshit....condemn those pointy hatters
I already have done numerous times now on this thread and many other threads.....that's what 'both sides were condemned' means. Do you condemn both sides or do you only condemn the Nazi/KKK side? Will you publicly condemn the Antifa on here?
I condemn the fascists and Nazi's...theres no place in a civilised society for people like that...EDL...NF...and English first....even your government recognises that
There's no place in society for violent balaclava wearing Antifas either. You'll turn a blind eye to thuggish and violent behaviour as long as it fits with your ideology. Everyone knows now. "I applaud them...i would support anyone that fights fascism...unlike YOU | |||
"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned.
Centaur probably brought a copy..
did it also come with crayons?
But hes not a Kipper....hes more extreme than a kipper
No I'm just a Ukip supporter, anything else only exists in this fantasy land you've created in your head. Sorry to disappoint you.
Condemn them then...not just the same old bullshit....condemn those pointy hatters
I already have done numerous times now on this thread and many other threads.....that's what 'both sides were condemned' means. Do you condemn both sides or do you only condemn the Nazi/KKK side? Will you publicly condemn the Antifa on here?
I condemn the fascists and Nazi's...theres no place in a civilised society for people like that...EDL...NF...and English first....even your government recognises that
There's no place in society for violent balaclava wearing Antifas either. You'll turn a blind eye to thuggish and violent behaviour as long as it fits with your ideology. Everyone knows now. "Of course there is. There is always a place in civillised society for men who step up and kill Nazis. | |||
"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned.
Centaur probably brought a copy..
did it also come with crayons?
But hes not a Kipper....hes more extreme than a kipper
No I'm just a Ukip supporter, anything else only exists in this fantasy land you've created in your head. Sorry to disappoint you.
Condemn them then...not just the same old bullshit....condemn those pointy hatters
I already have done numerous times now on this thread and many other threads.....that's what 'both sides were condemned' means. Do you condemn both sides or do you only condemn the Nazi/KKK side? Will you publicly condemn the Antifa on here?
I'll only condemn the Nazis.
Anybody taking the fight to the Fascists is somebody to be lauded - Anybody else forgets the sacrifice made by those in WW2 and is the kind of non-poppy wearing apologist liberal who society doesn't need.
Not surprised. You'll turn a blind eye to the violet leftists in the Antifa, who clubbed and beat people with bats that day, as long as it fits with your ideology though that's okay. "what your saying is that we should condemn the person who fights back against the person wanting to murder their child or condemn the man who fights to defend his wife from the rap##t.. | |||
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"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned.
Centaur probably brought a copy..
did it also come with crayons?
But hes not a Kipper....hes more extreme than a kipper
No I'm just a Ukip supporter, anything else only exists in this fantasy land you've created in your head. Sorry to disappoint you.
Condemn them then...not just the same old bullshit....condemn those pointy hatters
I already have done numerous times now on this thread and many other threads.....that's what 'both sides were condemned' means. Do you condemn both sides or do you only condemn the Nazi/KKK side? Will you publicly condemn the Antifa on here?
I condemn the fascists and Nazi's...theres no place in a civilised society for people like that...EDL...NF...and English first....even your government recognises that
There's no place in society for violent balaclava wearing Antifas either. You'll turn a blind eye to thuggish and violent behaviour as long as it fits with your ideology. Everyone knows now.
Of course there is.
There is always a place in civillised society for men who step up and kill Nazis. "this.. and as an ex service man myself i am proud to stand with them when we remember on remembrance Sunday.. | |||
"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned.
Centaur probably brought a copy..
did it also come with crayons?
But hes not a Kipper....hes more extreme than a kipper
No I'm just a Ukip supporter, anything else only exists in this fantasy land you've created in your head. Sorry to disappoint you.
Condemn them then...not just the same old bullshit....condemn those pointy hatters
I already have done numerous times now on this thread and many other threads.....that's what 'both sides were condemned' means. Do you condemn both sides or do you only condemn the Nazi/KKK side? Will you publicly condemn the Antifa on here?
I condemn the fascists and Nazi's...theres no place in a civilised society for people like that...EDL...NF...and English first....even your government recognises that
There's no place in society for violent balaclava wearing Antifas either. You'll turn a blind eye to thuggish and violent behaviour as long as it fits with your ideology. Everyone knows now.
Of course there is.
There is always a place in civillised society for men who step up and kill Nazis. "No, there really isn't. We have such things as freedom of speech and freedom of expression. We also have law and order and court process, those are the marks of a civilised society. There is no place in society for violet vigilantism as seen by the thuggish Antifa. Police and other authorities are there to deal with law breakers, and they face justice in a court of law, not at the end of your baseball bat while you wear a black balaclava! | |||
"Unprovoked violence by anyone should be condemned regardless of what political beliefs are at play. If someone expresses beliefs that are fascist or racist or liberal or communist or pro scientology or anything else then they have that right. If they are advocating violence then police should deal with them. Violence is not the answer for opinions and beliefs we disagree with. Persuasion, ignoring them, calling them out and marginalising them are the tactics to use." Bullshit. There is a line - and that line is Fascism. Fascists and Nazis don't listen to reason - give them half a chance and they will be gassing innocents of whichever coulor or creed they despise this time around. They deserve violence - because you reap what you sow. | |||
"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned.
Centaur probably brought a copy..
did it also come with crayons?
But hes not a Kipper....hes more extreme than a kipper
No I'm just a Ukip supporter, anything else only exists in this fantasy land you've created in your head. Sorry to disappoint you.
Condemn them then...not just the same old bullshit....condemn those pointy hatters
I already have done numerous times now on this thread and many other threads.....that's what 'both sides were condemned' means. Do you condemn both sides or do you only condemn the Nazi/KKK side? Will you publicly condemn the Antifa on here?
I condemn the fascists and Nazi's...theres no place in a civilised society for people like that...EDL...NF...and English first....even your government recognises that
There's no place in society for violent balaclava wearing Antifas either. You'll turn a blind eye to thuggish and violent behaviour as long as it fits with your ideology. Everyone knows now.
Of course there is.
There is always a place in civillised society for men who step up and kill Nazis.
No, there really isn't. We have such things as freedom of speech and freedom of expression. We also have law and order and court process, those are the marks of a civilised society. There is no place in society for violet vigilantism as seen by the thuggish Antifa. Police and other authorities are there to deal with law breakers, and they face justice in a court of law, not at the end of your baseball bat while you wear a black balaclava! "Fascists deserve the end of a bayonet, not a baseball bat. Would you have stood with Chamberlain? Do you have no regard for the sacrifices made fighting Fascism in WW2? | |||
"I hope, Centaur, that you never dare wear a poppy. " My grandad was in the RAF and fought in WW2. My grandads brother was in the Parachute regiment and fought in operation market garden against the Nazi's in WW2 trying to take the bridges at Arnhem, so don't lecture me about patriotism. The difference between me and you is you think vigilantism is acceptable,.....I don't! | |||
"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned.
Centaur probably brought a copy..
did it also come with crayons?
But hes not a Kipper....hes more extreme than a kipper
No I'm just a Ukip supporter, anything else only exists in this fantasy land you've created in your head. Sorry to disappoint you.
Condemn them then...not just the same old bullshit....condemn those pointy hatters
I already have done numerous times now on this thread and many other threads.....that's what 'both sides were condemned' means. Do you condemn both sides or do you only condemn the Nazi/KKK side? Will you publicly condemn the Antifa on here?
I condemn the fascists and Nazi's...theres no place in a civilised society for people like that...EDL...NF...and English first....even your government recognises that
There's no place in society for violent balaclava wearing Antifas either. You'll turn a blind eye to thuggish and violent behaviour as long as it fits with your ideology. Everyone knows now.
Of course there is.
There is always a place in civillised society for men who step up and kill Nazis.
No, there really isn't. We have such things as freedom of speech and freedom of expression. We also have law and order and court process, those are the marks of a civilised society. There is no place in society for violet vigilantism as seen by the thuggish Antifa. Police and other authorities are there to deal with law breakers, and they face justice in a court of law, not at the end of your baseball bat while you wear a black balaclava! "Absolute bullshit I quote from a newspaper The frog-in-the-pot metaphor is overused in the Trump era, but for good reason. No matter how much we keep reminding ourselves that this is not normal, we can’t help but acclimate to the new atmosphere. It's become boring to point out for the millionth time that we're being ruled by a crackpot racist and a handful of vindictive 4chan fascists. But in Charlottesville, the temperature went up a little too quickly. Suddenly Democrats and Republicans alike looked around and realized that the country is boiling. The sight of Nazis clubbing people in the streets of an American city isn't one that we’re used to, yet. Unlike other right-wing terrorist attacks, when this car rammed his car into a crowd of left-wing protesters, it was captured on video in screaming, visceral detail. And when Trump responded to this mayhem in the most predictable possible way, there was a sudden bipartisan gasp at what's happening to us. | |||
"Kippers called for the book entitled "The wisdom and wit of Nigel farage" to be banned.Because it was full of blank pages.This book didn't even have words and they wanted it banned.
Centaur probably brought a copy..
did it also come with crayons?
But hes not a Kipper....hes more extreme than a kipper
No I'm just a Ukip supporter, anything else only exists in this fantasy land you've created in your head. Sorry to disappoint you.
Condemn them then...not just the same old bullshit....condemn those pointy hatters
I already have done numerous times now on this thread and many other threads.....that's what 'both sides were condemned' means. Do you condemn both sides or do you only condemn the Nazi/KKK side? Will you publicly condemn the Antifa on here?
I condemn the fascists and Nazi's...theres no place in a civilised society for people like that...EDL...NF...and English first....even your government recognises that
There's no place in society for violent balaclava wearing Antifas either. You'll turn a blind eye to thuggish and violent behaviour as long as it fits with your ideology. Everyone knows now.
Of course there is.
There is always a place in civillised society for men who step up and kill Nazis.
No, there really isn't. We have such things as freedom of speech and freedom of expression. We also have law and order and court process, those are the marks of a civilised society. There is no place in society for violet vigilantism as seen by the thuggish Antifa. Police and other authorities are there to deal with law breakers, and they face justice in a court of law, not at the end of your baseball bat while you wear a black balaclava! "your wrong, we fought war on a global scale to defeat the Nazi's and fascism.. it is evil and you are trying to defend it.. shame on you.. | |||
"I hope, Centaur, that you never dare wear a poppy. My grandad was in the RAF and fought in WW2. My grandads brother was in the Parachute regiment and fought in operation market garden against the Nazi's in WW2 trying to take the bridges at Arnhem, so don't lecture me about patriotism. The difference between me and you is you think vigilantism is acceptable,.....I don't! " So do you condemn their antifacist actions? | |||
"true colours by Centy shown through yet again "The only colours I've shown on here are the purple and yellow of Ukip. Once again anything else only exists in the fantasy you've created in your head. | |||
"I hope, Centaur, that you never dare wear a poppy. My grandad was in the RAF and fought in WW2. My grandads brother was in the Parachute regiment and fought in operation market garden against the Nazi's in WW2 trying to take the bridges at Arnhem, so don't lecture me about patriotism. The difference between me and you is you think vigilantism is acceptable,.....I don't! " And you laud fascism | |||
"No doubt if Will lived in the USA he'd have been wearing a black balaclava and dressed from head to toe in black, marching with the violent Antifa (if they would have him), and proudly marching with his baseball bat and combat knife in Charlottesville screaming "let's keep the red flag flying here" if his posts here are anything to go by. " I'm a fat old man Centy, but earlier in my life I and my mates did carry knives, they were all made by Wilkinson's, you may have heard of them they are called the Mk4 Fairbairn Sykes fighting knife, also know as the Commando knife. I have also worn a black nomex suit and balaclava once or twice. And yes, I would definitely have been part of antifa. Of course you do know there are only to lots of people in this world fascists and anti fascists, antifi means anti fascist and is a label that the fascist mouthpiece breitbart thought up to equate anti fascists with the fascist white supremacist movement in the USA. Same as they came up with the 'alt right' to divert attention away from the fact that they are neo-nazies. but I am sure you are fully aware of exactly what breitbart is all about, in fact I bet you subscribe and support them in everything they do. | |||
"true colours by Centy shown through yet again
The only colours I've shown on here are the purple and yellow of Ukip. Once again anything else only exists in the fantasy you've created in your head. "NF ...EDL and Britain first springs to mind with you | |||
"I hope, Centaur, that you never dare wear a poppy. My grandad was in the RAF and fought in WW2. My grandads brother was in the Parachute regiment and fought in operation market garden against the Nazi's in WW2 trying to take the bridges at Arnhem, so don't lecture me about patriotism. The difference between me and you is you think vigilantism is acceptable,.....I don't! " bet you have never had the bollocks to tell them you agree with the rhetoric of the Nazi's, that you think that they were wrong to oppose the Nazi's .. it was not vigilantism to fight and to kill if necessary the fascists in the 2nd World War.. it was the right thing to do.. | |||
"I hope, Centaur, that you never dare wear a poppy. My grandad was in the RAF and fought in WW2. My grandads brother was in the Parachute regiment and fought in operation market garden against the Nazi's in WW2 trying to take the bridges at Arnhem, so don't lecture me about patriotism. The difference between me and you is you think vigilantism is acceptable,.....I don't! " So why do you sully their memory by standing up for the people who have a Nazi ideology? Would you condemn those who volunteered to fight Fascism then? The French resistance? Were they just vigilantes? | |||
"Unprovoked violence by anyone should be condemned regardless of what political beliefs are at play. If someone expresses beliefs that are fascist or racist or liberal or communist or pro scientology or anything else then they have that right. If they are advocating violence then police should deal with them. Violence is not the answer for opinions and beliefs we disagree with. Persuasion, ignoring them, calling them out and marginalising them are the tactics to use." For once I agree with you. But it appears many on here from the comments above see violence from the left and thuggish vigilantism from the Antifa as acceptable. | |||
"Unprovoked violence by anyone should be condemned regardless of what political beliefs are at play. If someone expresses beliefs that are fascist or racist or liberal or communist or pro scientology or anything else then they have that right. If they are advocating violence then police should deal with them. Violence is not the answer for opinions and beliefs we disagree with. Persuasion, ignoring them, calling them out and marginalising them are the tactics to use. For once I agree with you. But it appears many on here from the comments above see violence from the left and thuggish vigilantism from the Antifa as acceptable. " Oh aye? How far does that get you against Nazis? Was Churchill "the left" then? | |||
"Unprovoked violence by anyone should be condemned regardless of what political beliefs are at play. If someone expresses beliefs that are fascist or racist or liberal or communist or pro scientology or anything else then they have that right. If they are advocating violence then police should deal with them. Violence is not the answer for opinions and beliefs we disagree with. Persuasion, ignoring them, calling them out and marginalising them are the tactics to use. For once I agree with you. But it appears many on here from the comments above see violence from the left and thuggish vigilantism from the Antifa as acceptable. " again go and tell your relatives who fought fascism or their surviving kin that what they did in fighting fascism was the same as the anti fascists did in Charlottesville and that you condemn them.. | |||
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"No, there really isn't. We have such things as freedom of speech and freedom of expression. We also have law and order and court process, those are the marks of a civilised society. There is no place in society for violet vigilantism as seen by the thuggish Antifa. Police and other authorities are there to deal with law breakers, and they face justice in a court of law, not at the end of your baseball bat while you wear a black balaclava! " And there we have it! Centy has come out of the closest! Centy says there is no place or justification for killing Nazi's. All those violent antifa in British, Free French, Polish, American, Australian, Canadian, New Zealand, South African, Indian, and of course Russian uniforms were all in the wrong because in Centy's world the Nazi's and fascist are the good guys and anyone who stands against them is bad.  | |||
"How many copies of the paper on average do Virgin sell on their trains? Did they give the figures? I would imagine the figure to be pretty small anyway as most people would buy their morning paper from shops on the way to the train station or at a news stand in the train station before boarding. Would Virgin trains bar or stop people from coming onto their trains if they were carrying a copy of the newspaper? Seems like a pretty ridiculous and petty policy to me and some avid Daily Mail readers could now look for alternative trains to use other than Virgin over this. This is nothing short of an attempt at corporate censorship by Virgin trains, so much for living in a free country? Refusing to carry something that wasn't selling isn't censorship. Who said it wasn't selling? Have Virgin Trains released the sales figures then? " They sell like 70 a week. Barely a hit in their profits | |||
"How many copies of the paper on average do Virgin sell on their trains? Did they give the figures? I would imagine the figure to be pretty small anyway as most people would buy their morning paper from shops on the way to the train station or at a news stand in the train station before boarding. Would Virgin trains bar or stop people from coming onto their trains if they were carrying a copy of the newspaper? Seems like a pretty ridiculous and petty policy to me and some avid Daily Mail readers could now look for alternative trains to use other than Virgin over this. This is nothing short of an attempt at corporate censorship by Virgin trains, so much for living in a free country? Refusing to carry something that wasn't selling isn't censorship. Who said it wasn't selling? Have Virgin Trains released the sales figures then? They sell like 70 a week. Barely a hit in their profits " But the decision wasnt taken on sales | |||
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"No, there really isn't. We have such things as freedom of speech and freedom of expression. We also have law and order and court process, those are the marks of a civilised society. There is no place in society for violet vigilantism as seen by the thuggish Antifa. Police and other authorities are there to deal with law breakers, and they face justice in a court of law, not at the end of your baseball bat while you wear a black balaclava! And there we have it! Centy has come out of the closest! Centy says there is no place or justification for killing Nazi's. All those violent antifa in British, Free French, Polish, American, Australian, Canadian, New Zealand, South African, Indian, and of course Russian uniforms were all in the wrong because in Centy's world the Nazi's and fascist are the good guys and anyone who stands against them is bad. "There is a world of difference between fighting the Nazis in a war and opposing them at a protest rally. If you think opposing people with violence at a protest rally is acceptable then shame on you. In a civilised society we have police to keep the peace and deal with law breakers, vigilantism has no place in a civilised society. | |||
"No, there really isn't. We have such things as freedom of speech and freedom of expression. We also have law and order and court process, those are the marks of a civilised society. There is no place in society for violet vigilantism as seen by the thuggish Antifa. Police and other authorities are there to deal with law breakers, and they face justice in a court of law, not at the end of your baseball bat while you wear a black balaclava! And there we have it! Centy has come out of the closest! Centy says there is no place or justification for killing Nazi's. All those violent antifa in British, Free French, Polish, American, Australian, Canadian, New Zealand, South African, Indian, and of course Russian uniforms were all in the wrong because in Centy's world the Nazi's and fascist are the good guys and anyone who stands against them is bad.
There is a world of difference between fighting the Nazis in a war and opposing them at a protest rally. If you think opposing people with violence at a protest rally is acceptable then shame on you. In a civilised society we have police to keep the peace and deal with law breakers, vigilantism has no place in a civilised society. "You really do sink to the depths of hypocrisy | |||
"No, there really isn't. We have such things as freedom of speech and freedom of expression. We also have law and order and court process, those are the marks of a civilised society. There is no place in society for violet vigilantism as seen by the thuggish Antifa. Police and other authorities are there to deal with law breakers, and they face justice in a court of law, not at the end of your baseball bat while you wear a black balaclava! And there we have it! Centy has come out of the closest! Centy says there is no place or justification for killing Nazi's. All those violent antifa in British, Free French, Polish, American, Australian, Canadian, New Zealand, South African, Indian, and of course Russian uniforms were all in the wrong because in Centy's world the Nazi's and fascist are the good guys and anyone who stands against them is bad.
There is a world of difference between fighting the Nazis in a war and opposing them at a protest rally. If you think opposing people with violence at a protest rally is acceptable then shame on you. In a civilised society we have police to keep the peace and deal with law breakers, vigilantism has no place in a civilised society. "Rallies is how it all started. Read a history book. It's not like the Nazis were hiding in Charlottesville - they were openly calling themselves Nazis and marching toting weapons. Nazis are law breakers. | |||
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"No, there really isn't. We have such things as freedom of speech and freedom of expression. We also have law and order and court process, those are the marks of a civilised society. There is no place in society for violet vigilantism as seen by the thuggish Antifa. Police and other authorities are there to deal with law breakers, and they face justice in a court of law, not at the end of your baseball bat while you wear a black balaclava! And there we have it! Centy has come out of the closest! Centy says there is no place or justification for killing Nazi's. All those violent antifa in British, Free French, Polish, American, Australian, Canadian, New Zealand, South African, Indian, and of course Russian uniforms were all in the wrong because in Centy's world the Nazi's and fascist are the good guys and anyone who stands against them is bad.
There is a world of difference between fighting the Nazis in a war and opposing them at a protest rally. If you think opposing people with violence at a protest rally is acceptable then shame on you. In a civilised society we have police to keep the peace and deal with law breakers, vigilantism has no place in a civilised society.
Rallies is how it all started. Read a history book.
It's not like the Nazis were hiding in Charlottesville - they were openly calling themselves Nazis and marching toting weapons.
Nazis are law breakers. "Maybe you should read an American law book. You have the right to bear arms under American law so no law was being broken by simply carrying them. If you think any laws are being broken then make a complaint to the police and let the authorities deal with it. Once again vigilantism has no place in a civilised society. | |||
"No, there really isn't. We have such things as freedom of speech and freedom of expression. We also have law and order and court process, those are the marks of a civilised society. There is no place in society for violet vigilantism as seen by the thuggish Antifa. Police and other authorities are there to deal with law breakers, and they face justice in a court of law, not at the end of your baseball bat while you wear a black balaclava! And there we have it! Centy has come out of the closest! Centy says there is no place or justification for killing Nazi's. All those violent antifa in British, Free French, Polish, American, Australian, Canadian, New Zealand, South African, Indian, and of course Russian uniforms were all in the wrong because in Centy's world the Nazi's and fascist are the good guys and anyone who stands against them is bad.
There is a world of difference between fighting the Nazis in a war and opposing them at a protest rally. If you think opposing people with violence at a protest rally is acceptable then shame on you. In a civilised society we have police to keep the peace and deal with law breakers, vigilantism has no place in a civilised society.
Rallies is how it all started. Read a history book.
It's not like the Nazis were hiding in Charlottesville - they were openly calling themselves Nazis and marching toting weapons.
Nazis are law breakers.
Maybe you should read an American law book. You have the right to bear arms under American law so no law was being broken by simply carrying them. If you think any laws are being broken then make a complaint to the police and let the authorities deal with it. Once again vigilantism has no place in a civilised society. "Its not the arms they were carrying....its the way they were dressed and openly being fascists...a huge difference and nice try at deflecting.... HUGE FAIL again | |||
"No, there really isn't. We have such things as freedom of speech and freedom of expression. We also have law and order and court process, those are the marks of a civilised society. There is no place in society for violet vigilantism as seen by the thuggish Antifa. Police and other authorities are there to deal with law breakers, and they face justice in a court of law, not at the end of your baseball bat while you wear a black balaclava! And there we have it! Centy has come out of the closest! Centy says there is no place or justification for killing Nazi's. All those violent antifa in British, Free French, Polish, American, Australian, Canadian, New Zealand, South African, Indian, and of course Russian uniforms were all in the wrong because in Centy's world the Nazi's and fascist are the good guys and anyone who stands against them is bad.
There is a world of difference between fighting the Nazis in a war and opposing them at a protest rally. If you think opposing people with violence at a protest rally is acceptable then shame on you. In a civilised society we have police to keep the peace and deal with law breakers, vigilantism has no place in a civilised society.
Rallies is how it all started. Read a history book.
It's not like the Nazis were hiding in Charlottesville - they were openly calling themselves Nazis and marching toting weapons.
Nazis are law breakers.
Maybe you should read an American law book. You have the right to bear arms under American law so no law was being broken by simply carrying them. If you think any laws are being broken then make a complaint to the police and let the authorities deal with it. Once again vigilantism has no place in a civilised society. "You do realise that I wasn't saying that they were breaking the law by carrying the weapons, don't you? So; Nazis, bearing arms march in your street and you do nothing? Have you no spine? Your ancestors fought Hitler for nothing, it seems. For shame. | |||
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"No, there really isn't. We have such things as freedom of speech and freedom of expression. We also have law and order and court process, those are the marks of a civilised society. There is no place in society for violet vigilantism as seen by the thuggish Antifa. Police and other authorities are there to deal with law breakers, and they face justice in a court of law, not at the end of your baseball bat while you wear a black balaclava! And there we have it! Centy has come out of the closest! Centy says there is no place or justification for killing Nazi's. All those violent antifa in British, Free French, Polish, American, Australian, Canadian, New Zealand, South African, Indian, and of course Russian uniforms were all in the wrong because in Centy's world the Nazi's and fascist are the good guys and anyone who stands against them is bad.
There is a world of difference between fighting the Nazis in a war and opposing them at a protest rally. If you think opposing people with violence at a protest rally is acceptable then shame on you. In a civilised society we have police to keep the peace and deal with law breakers, vigilantism has no place in a civilised society.
Rallies is how it all started. Read a history book.
It's not like the Nazis were hiding in Charlottesville - they were openly calling themselves Nazis and marching toting weapons.
Nazis are law breakers.
Maybe you should read an American law book. You have the right to bear arms under American law so no law was being broken by simply carrying them. If you think any laws are being broken then make a complaint to the police and let the authorities deal with it. Once again vigilantism has no place in a civilised society.
You do realise that I wasn't saying that they were breaking the law by carrying the weapons, don't you?
So; Nazis, bearing arms march in your street and you do nothing?
Have you no spine?
Your ancestors fought Hitler for nothing, it seems.
For shame.
"If Nazis were walking down my street bearing arms I'd call the police and let the authorities deal with it. That would be against the law here in the UK so they would be arrested on the spot. As I said the right to bear arms in America is perfectly legal though, so is a different situation there. If you wanted to act the vigilante by putting a black balaclava on and attempt to beat them with a club or baseball bat though then that makes you just as bad as them in my view. Is your favourite film Death Wish starring Charles Branson by any chance? It's all about vigilantes, you and Bronson's character seem to have the same attitude. | |||
"No, there really isn't. We have such things as freedom of speech and freedom of expression. We also have law and order and court process, those are the marks of a civilised society. There is no place in society for violet vigilantism as seen by the thuggish Antifa. Police and other authorities are there to deal with law breakers, and they face justice in a court of law, not at the end of your baseball bat while you wear a black balaclava! And there we have it! Centy has come out of the closest! Centy says there is no place or justification for killing Nazi's. All those violent antifa in British, Free French, Polish, American, Australian, Canadian, New Zealand, South African, Indian, and of course Russian uniforms were all in the wrong because in Centy's world the Nazi's and fascist are the good guys and anyone who stands against them is bad.
There is a world of difference between fighting the Nazis in a war and opposing them at a protest rally. If you think opposing people with violence at a protest rally is acceptable then shame on you. In a civilised society we have police to keep the peace and deal with law breakers, vigilantism has no place in a civilised society.
Rallies is how it all started. Read a history book.
It's not like the Nazis were hiding in Charlottesville - they were openly calling themselves Nazis and marching toting weapons.
Nazis are law breakers.
Maybe you should read an American law book. You have the right to bear arms under American law so no law was being broken by simply carrying them. If you think any laws are being broken then make a complaint to the police and let the authorities deal with it. Once again vigilantism has no place in a civilised society.
You do realise that I wasn't saying that they were breaking the law by carrying the weapons, don't you?
So; Nazis, bearing arms march in your street and you do nothing?
Have you no spine?
Your ancestors fought Hitler for nothing, it seems.
For shame.
If Nazis were walking down my street bearing arms I'd call the police and let the authorities deal with it. That would be against the law here in the UK so they would be arrested on the spot. As I said the right to bear arms in America is perfectly legal though, so is a different situation there. If you wanted to act the vigilante by putting a black balaclava on and attempt to beat them with a club or baseball bat though then that makes you just as bad as them in my view. Is your favourite film Death Wish starring Charles Branson by any chance? It's all about vigilantes, you and Bronson's character seem to have the same attitude. "So you'd do nothing except call the police? Resistance starts with the individual, centy. And as I've already said, I think Nazis deserve a bullet or a bayonet, not a baeball bat, so if they did get a baseball bat, they have gotten off lightly. You, however, refuse to condemn Nazis and continue to defend them. Are you a Nazi? | |||
"Maybe you should read an American law book. You have the right to bear arms under American law so no law was being broken by simply carrying them. If you think any laws are being broken then make a complaint to the police and let the authorities deal with it. Once again vigilantism has no place in a civilised society. " Except of course for the white supremacist who was recorded shooting at protesters in front of police who did nothing... But he did complain that he was living in fear after the video of him shooting at unarmed protesters was broadcast by NBC and CNN... Also on a slightly different subject. You are correct the Mail did run a story about JC on a train, Virgin Trains did release video that showed empty seats, Richard Branson authorised the release of the video and made numerous statements about the incident. The last one being admitting that the video had been doctored, was fake and that there were no empty seats on the train at the time JC was seen sitting on the floor. But I am sure you already know that. | |||
"No, there really isn't. We have such things as freedom of speech and freedom of expression. We also have law and order and court process, those are the marks of a civilised society. There is no place in society for violet vigilantism as seen by the thuggish Antifa. Police and other authorities are there to deal with law breakers, and they face justice in a court of law, not at the end of your baseball bat while you wear a black balaclava! And there we have it! Centy has come out of the closest! Centy says there is no place or justification for killing Nazi's. All those violent antifa in British, Free French, Polish, American, Australian, Canadian, New Zealand, South African, Indian, and of course Russian uniforms were all in the wrong because in Centy's world the Nazi's and fascist are the good guys and anyone who stands against them is bad.
There is a world of difference between fighting the Nazis in a war and opposing them at a protest rally. If you think opposing people with violence at a protest rally is acceptable then shame on you. In a civilised society we have police to keep the peace and deal with law breakers, vigilantism has no place in a civilised society.
Rallies is how it all started. Read a history book.
It's not like the Nazis were hiding in Charlottesville - they were openly calling themselves Nazis and marching toting weapons.
Nazis are law breakers.
Maybe you should read an American law book. You have the right to bear arms under American law so no law was being broken by simply carrying them. If you think any laws are being broken then make a complaint to the police and let the authorities deal with it. Once again vigilantism has no place in a civilised society.
You do realise that I wasn't saying that they were breaking the law by carrying the weapons, don't you?
So; Nazis, bearing arms march in your street and you do nothing?
Have you no spine?
Your ancestors fought Hitler for nothing, it seems.
For shame.
If Nazis were walking down my street bearing arms I'd call the police and let the authorities deal with it. That would be against the law here in the UK so they would be arrested on the spot. As I said the right to bear arms in America is perfectly legal though, so is a different situation there. If you wanted to act the vigilante by putting a black balaclava on and attempt to beat them with a club or baseball bat though then that makes you just as bad as them in my view. Is your favourite film Death Wish starring Charles Bronson by any chance? It's all about vigilantes, you and Bronson's character seem to have the same attitude.
So you'd do nothing except call the police?
Resistance starts with the individual, centy.
And as I've already said, I think Nazis deserve a bullet or a bayonet, not a baeball bat, so if they did get a baseball bat, they have gotten off lightly.
You, however, refuse to condemn Nazis and continue to defend them.
Are you a Nazi?
"But I have condemned them, several times on this thread and on other threads. That's what 'both sides were condemned' means. I condemned the Nazi/KKK side and the violent Antifa side as well. No I am not a Nazi and I'm not a vigilante either. I think you have told everyone on this thread loud and clear you are a violent vigilante though. | |||
"Maybe you should read an American law book. You have the right to bear arms under American law so no law was being broken by simply carrying them. If you think any laws are being broken then make a complaint to the police and let the authorities deal with it. Once again vigilantism has no place in a civilised society. Except of course for the white supremacist who was recorded shooting at protesters in front of police who did nothing... But he did complain that he was living in fear after the video of him shooting at unarmed protesters was broadcast by NBC and CNN... Also on a slightly different subject. You are correct the Mail did run a story about JC on a train, Virgin Trains did release video that showed empty seats, Richard Branson authorised the release of the video and made numerous statements about the incident. The last one being admitting that the video had been doctored, was fake and that there were no empty seats on the train at the time JC was seen sitting on the floor. But I am sure you already know that." I think everyone knows that including Centy- but he clearly has an agenda. | |||
"No, there really isn't. We have such things as freedom of speech and freedom of expression. We also have law and order and court process, those are the marks of a civilised society. There is no place in society for violet vigilantism as seen by the thuggish Antifa. Police and other authorities are there to deal with law breakers, and they face justice in a court of law, not at the end of your baseball bat while you wear a black balaclava! And there we have it! Centy has come out of the closest! Centy says there is no place or justification for killing Nazi's. All those violent antifa in British, Free French, Polish, American, Australian, Canadian, New Zealand, South African, Indian, and of course Russian uniforms were all in the wrong because in Centy's world the Nazi's and fascist are the good guys and anyone who stands against them is bad.
There is a world of difference between fighting the Nazis in a war and opposing them at a protest rally. If you think opposing people with violence at a protest rally is acceptable then shame on you. In a civilised society we have police to keep the peace and deal with law breakers, vigilantism has no place in a civilised society.
Rallies is how it all started. Read a history book.
It's not like the Nazis were hiding in Charlottesville - they were openly calling themselves Nazis and marching toting weapons.
Nazis are law breakers.
Maybe you should read an American law book. You have the right to bear arms under American law so no law was being broken by simply carrying them. If you think any laws are being broken then make a complaint to the police and let the authorities deal with it. Once again vigilantism has no place in a civilised society.
You do realise that I wasn't saying that they were breaking the law by carrying the weapons, don't you?
So; Nazis, bearing arms march in your street and you do nothing?
Have you no spine?
Your ancestors fought Hitler for nothing, it seems.
For shame.
If Nazis were walking down my street bearing arms I'd call the police and let the authorities deal with it. That would be against the law here in the UK so they would be arrested on the spot. As I said the right to bear arms in America is perfectly legal though, so is a different situation there. If you wanted to act the vigilante by putting a black balaclava on and attempt to beat them with a club or baseball bat though then that makes you just as bad as them in my view. Is your favourite film Death Wish starring Charles Bronson by any chance? It's all about vigilantes, you and Bronson's character seem to have the same attitude.
So you'd do nothing except call the police?
Resistance starts with the individual, centy.
And as I've already said, I think Nazis deserve a bullet or a bayonet, not a baeball bat, so if they did get a baseball bat, they have gotten off lightly.
You, however, refuse to condemn Nazis and continue to defend them.
Are you a Nazi?
But I have condemned them, several times on this thread and on other threads. That's what 'both sides were condemned' means. I condemned the Nazi/KKK side and the violent Antifa side as well. No I am not a Nazi and I'm not a vigilante either. I think you have told everyone on this thread loud and clear you are a violent vigilante though. "If you are not a Nazi, why do you stand up for them? Why do you defend their right to march? I am proudly antifascist, and I think its laughable that you are trying to shame people who hate Nazis. You still haven't given me your take on Chaimberlain or the French Reaistance. Come on, sunshine, lets hear it..... | |||
"I think everyone knows that including Centy- but he clearly has an agenda. " I am sure you are right but Centy like all fascists has to be confronted on every issue where he twists the truth. Because if he is not corrected he will later refer to his post and the fact that no one said he was wrong as evidence that he is right. | |||
"“I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend unto my death your right to say it”..... Emile Zola"
It seems some people on here just can't accept this concept of free speech and freedom of expression. | |||
"“I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend unto my death your right to say it”..... Emile Zola
It seems some people on here just can't accept this concept of free speech and freedom of expression. "Hate speech is not free speech | |||
"“I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend unto my death your right to say it”..... Emile Zola
It seems some people on here just can't accept this concept of free speech and freedom of expression.
Hate speech is not free speech"The Daily Mail is not guilty of hate speech. We have a press regulations authority and hate speech is against the rules. The Daily Mail operates within the rules, guidelines and framework of the press regulations authority. | |||
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It seems some people on here just can't accept this concept of free speech and freedom of expression. "So exactly how many years of service have you got under your belt Centy? | |||
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"If I get offended by this thread does that mean it's 'hate speech'? Or does it just mean I have issues? Bye bye egotistical Branson, even though this is about trains, my air miles are going elsewhere.. I'm too old for virgins now anyway!" Im sure you wont be missed | |||
"“I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend unto my death your right to say it”..... Emile Zola
It seems some people on here just can't accept this concept of free speech and freedom of expression. "This is not a free speech issue. You've been told this over and over. Stop being dishonest. | |||
"How many copies of the paper on average do Virgin sell on their trains? Did they give the figures? I would imagine the figure to be pretty small anyway as most people would buy their morning paper from shops on the way to the train station or at a news stand in the train station before boarding. Would Virgin trains bar or stop people from coming onto their trains if they were carrying a copy of the newspaper? Seems like a pretty ridiculous and petty policy to me and some avid Daily Mail readers could now look for alternative trains to use other than Virgin over this. This is nothing short of an attempt at corporate censorship by Virgin trains, so much for living in a free country? Refusing to carry something that wasn't selling isn't censorship." They're not refusing to carry it because it's not selling though, are they? | |||
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"How many copies of the paper on average do Virgin sell on their trains? Did they give the figures? I would imagine the figure to be pretty small anyway as most people would buy their morning paper from shops on the way to the train station or at a news stand in the train station before boarding. Would Virgin trains bar or stop people from coming onto their trains if they were carrying a copy of the newspaper? Seems like a pretty ridiculous and petty policy to me and some avid Daily Mail readers could now look for alternative trains to use other than Virgin over this. This is nothing short of an attempt at corporate censorship by Virgin trains, so much for living in a free country? Refusing to carry something that wasn't selling isn't censorship. They're not refusing to carry it because it's not selling though, are they?" Probably | |||
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"Sounds like a PR exercise. Maybe, instead of worrying about Brexit, olive oil in diets, bargain river cruise on the Rhine, LGBT rights, immigration etc, Virgin should worry about getting passengers from A to B on time and at a reasonable price!" Maybe it is, maybe not... I think you mistake Virgin Rail for a service held in trust for the nation and run for the benefit of the country. Virgin is a limited company that is legally required to trade at a profit for the benefit of its shareholders with its purpose being to extract the maximum profits from all its revenue streams. | |||
"Sounds like a PR exercise. Maybe, instead of worrying about Brexit, olive oil in diets, bargain river cruise on the Rhine, LGBT rights, immigration etc, Virgin should worry about getting passengers from A to B on time and at a reasonable price! Maybe it is, maybe not... I think you mistake Virgin Rail for a service held in trust for the nation and run for the benefit of the country. Virgin is a limited company that is legally required to trade at a profit for the benefit of its shareholders with its purpose being to extract the maximum profits from all its revenue streams." My error...and yours. I used Virgin when I should have used Virgin Trains. 'Virgin Rail', as far as I am aware, doesn't exist. However Virgin Rail Group does. The paper was removed for sale on the West Coast trains operated by Virgin Trains (legal name West Coast Trains Limited). This is a subsidiary of Virgin Rail Group, whose parent companies are Stagecoach Group & Virgin Group. The paper had never been stocked on its East Coast trains under the management of Virgin/Stagecoach or rather East Coast Main Line Company Limited, trading as Virgin Trains East Coast, whose parent companies are Stagecoach Group & Virgin Group. | |||
"While I don’t normally agree with centy (and I would prefer he didn’t use passive grammar for condemnation) I see he has a point. Excuse the pun, but people as seeing Charlottesville as very black and white. But who decides what level of fascists deserve violence. And who ageees a movement is anti fascist? Would it be okay to take baseball bats to confront any edl march ? Do I need to do it under a banner or can I claim resistance starts at the individual ? Can IS claim facism to justify their right to attack ? " There can be no appeasement of the views of the followers of the Nazis and IS/Taliban etc.. History shows what happens when people turn the other cheek to such vile people.. | |||
" They're not refusing to carry it because it's not selling though, are they?" It doesn't matter. They're not the government, they're not banning or censoring the Mail. They're a private business deciding what newspapers to stock. That is not in any way censorship. It seems they don't carry the Guardian. Is the Guardian being censored? Of course not. | |||
"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?" What a load of bollocks "Hmm and we got Mr Censure in the room.. you heard of free opinion ? Or is it just your opinion that counts and no one else? | |||
"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?" Hubbys not very bright it seems. According to the right wingers Virgin should have to stock every paper and magazine thats in print then? What about books? Refusing to stock books violates a persons right to read books instead of magazines or papers. Maybe we should turn trains into fully stocked newsagents and libraries. There wont be much room left for passengers but what few remain wont have their rights violated because Virgin wont stock "Hoist" the magazine for people who use factory cranes or "The Hat Magazine" for....well I think you can figure that one out....wait forgot that we have people equating a train not stocking a paper they werent selling many of to Nazi Germanys government policy of censorship. Its a magazine about hats for people who really like hats." Again ... how much did your family go through during WWII ? Part of his family were in KZ not Jewish but because they were left wing and teachers.. Part of his family did not survive the war and think they know what Nazi did and not did... It's nothing to do what should be sold and not..it's about the right of free opinion..Virgin is stating they do not want to sell a newspaper fine but is it not the free opinion of every one what they want to read and not...It's not about buy right, left, middle it's about freedom of speech.. With a ban the next follow and the next ban... Wonder who isn't bright | |||
"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?" Hubbys not very bright it seems. According to the right wingers Virgin should have to stock every paper and magazine thats in print then? What about books? Refusing to stock books violates a persons right to read books instead of magazines or papers. Maybe we should turn trains into fully stocked newsagents and libraries. There wont be much room left for passengers but what few remain wont have their rights violated because Virgin wont stock "Hoist" the magazine for people who use factory cranes or "The Hat Magazine" for....well I think you can figure that one out....wait forgot that we have people equating a train not stocking a paper they werent selling many of to Nazi Germanys government policy of censorship. Its a magazine about hats for people who really like hats. Again ... how much did your family go through during WWII ? Part of his family were in KZ not Jewish but because they were left wing and teachers.. Part of his family did not survive the war and think they know what Nazi did and not did... It's nothing to do what should be sold and not..it's about the right of free opinion..Virgin is stating they do not want to sell a newspaper fine but is it not the free opinion of every one what they want to read and not...It's not about buy right, left, middle it's about freedom of speech.. With a ban the next follow and the next ban... Wonder who isn't bright "What happened to his relations has literally nothing to do with his opinion. Hes not any better informed on the issues because of it. We're all aware of what happened in Germany. And there is no ban. A stockist has decided they dont want to stock a publication. Its not censoring the daily mail anymore than its censoring The Hat Magazine. | |||
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"Hubby said it reminds him of a specific night in Germany 1933 ... they started hauling out the books..and then..burning them.. It's called freedom of speech - If you can't deal with it then tough; the NSADP couldn't deal with and burned the books and newspapers of other thinking people. Every one has a right to say what they think, if there is a problem you speak up and state it... Shame many don't read history and understand like my husband does, as you would suddenly notice, that we "marched" in the direction of 1984 and we are already the province of Oceania. Just ask this question "What gets banned next?" What a load of bollocks
Hmm and we got Mr Censure in the room.. you heard of free opinion ? Or is it just your opinion that counts and no one else? "Censor and censure are two different things. | |||
"I think everyone knows that including Centy- but he clearly has an agenda. I am sure you are right but Centy like all fascists has to be confronted on every issue where he twists the truth. Because if he is not corrected he will later refer to his post and the fact that no one said he was wrong as evidence that he is right. "Their cognitive biases blind them to reality and right wing swivel eyed frothers avoid it | |||
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"Anyone happen to catch the tweet from a woman saying she will boycott Virgin trains over them not putting the Daily mail on their trains Then she said she will go on the trains and leave 20 copies of the daily mail all over the carrages Then people pointing out to her saying well she really is not boycotting Virgin trains then Ah the far right dont ever think lol " How do you know she is a far right supporter? Not all Daily Mail readers are far right...just as not all Scots are SNP supporters. | |||
"Anyone happen to catch the tweet from a woman saying she will boycott Virgin trains over them not putting the Daily mail on their trains Then she said she will go on the trains and leave 20 copies of the daily mail all over the carrages Then people pointing out to her saying well she really is not boycotting Virgin trains then Ah the far right dont ever think lol How do you know she is a far right supporter? Not all Daily Mail readers are far right...just as not all Scots are SNP supporters." Whether she's left, right or centre, it's clear she's not very bright. | |||
"Anyone happen to catch the tweet from a woman saying she will boycott Virgin trains over them not putting the Daily mail on their trains Then she said she will go on the trains and leave 20 copies of the daily mail all over the carrages Then people pointing out to her saying well she really is not boycotting Virgin trains then Ah the far right dont ever think lol How do you know she is a far right supporter? Not all Daily Mail readers are far right...just as not all Scots are SNP supporters. Whether she's left, right or centre, it's clear she's not very bright." Maybe...for all we know she might get on the train, walk up the carriages [sp] to leave the papers and then get off again. | |||
"Anyone happen to catch the tweet from a woman saying she will boycott Virgin trains over them not putting the Daily mail on their trains Then she said she will go on the trains and leave 20 copies of the daily mail all over the carrages Then people pointing out to her saying well she really is not boycotting Virgin trains then Ah the far right dont ever think lol How do you know she is a far right supporter? Not all Daily Mail readers are far right...just as not all Scots are SNP supporters. Whether she's left, right or centre, it's clear she's not very bright. Maybe...for all we know she might get on the train, walk up the carriages [sp] to leave the papers and then get off again." Good to see another Kipper defending that shitty rag | |||
"Anyone happen to catch the tweet from a woman saying she will boycott Virgin trains over them not putting the Daily mail on their trains Then she said she will go on the trains and leave 20 copies of the daily mail all over the carrages Then people pointing out to her saying well she really is not boycotting Virgin trains then Ah the far right dont ever think lol How do you know she is a far right supporter? Not all Daily Mail readers are far right...just as not all Scots are SNP supporters. Whether she's left, right or centre, it's clear she's not very bright. Maybe...for all we know she might get on the train, walk up the carriages [sp] to leave the papers and then get off again." Erm boycotting the train means not going anywhere near it lol | |||
"Anyone happen to catch the tweet from a woman saying she will boycott Virgin trains over them not putting the Daily mail on their trains Then she said she will go on the trains and leave 20 copies of the daily mail all over the carrages Then people pointing out to her saying well she really is not boycotting Virgin trains then Ah the far right dont ever think lol How do you know she is a far right supporter? Not all Daily Mail readers are far right...just as not all Scots are SNP supporters. Whether she's left, right or centre, it's clear she's not very bright. Maybe...for all we know she might get on the train, walk up the carriages [sp] to leave the papers and then get off again. Erm boycotting the train means not going anywhere near it lol " If you say so... How did you come to the conclusion she a far right supporter? | |||
"Anyone happen to catch the tweet from a woman saying she will boycott Virgin trains over them not putting the Daily mail on their trains Then she said she will go on the trains and leave 20 copies of the daily mail all over the carrages Then people pointing out to her saying well she really is not boycotting Virgin trains then Ah the far right dont ever think lol How do you know she is a far right supporter? Not all Daily Mail readers are far right...just as not all Scots are SNP supporters. Whether she's left, right or centre, it's clear she's not very bright. Maybe...for all we know she might get on the train, walk up the carriages [sp] to leave the papers and then get off again. Erm boycotting the train means not going anywhere near it lol " Not necessarily so. Newspaper Columnist Rod Liddle has said he has a ticket to use Virgin Trains this weekend (ticket was purchased before Virgin Trains announced they would no longer carry the Daily Mail). Rod Liddle said he intends to use his ticket as it's already been bought and paid for but he is also going to buy a large amount of Daily Mail papers before boarding and he is going to walk along the train handing copies out to passengers. Then when his journey is done he said he will never use Virgin Trains ever again. | |||
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"Hahaha...it's great how this has got all the far right nutters spitting venom.Untwist your panties ladies... "By the looks of things it's also going to hit Virgin Trains in the pocket. I wonder if they'll be laughing when they see their profit margins fall. | |||
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"Hahaha...it's great how this has got all the far right nutters spitting venom.Untwist your panties ladies...
By the looks of things it's also going to hit Virgin Trains in the pocket. I wonder if they'll be laughing when they see their profit margins fall. "Well they are leaving the massive sums of money that selling one copy of the daily mail on every four trains brought them on the table. | |||
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"Anyone happen to catch the tweet from a woman saying she will boycott Virgin trains over them not putting the Daily mail on their trains Then she said she will go on the trains and leave 20 copies of the daily mail all over the carrages Then people pointing out to her saying well she really is not boycotting Virgin trains then Ah the far right dont ever think lol How do you know she is a far right supporter? Not all Daily Mail readers are far right...just as not all Scots are SNP supporters. Whether she's left, right or centre, it's clear she's not very bright. Maybe...for all we know she might get on the train, walk up the carriages [sp] to leave the papers and then get off again. Erm boycotting the train means not going anywhere near it lol Not necessarily so. Newspaper Columnist Rod Liddle has said he has a ticket to use Virgin Trains this weekend (ticket was purchased before Virgin Trains announced they would no longer carry the Daily Mail). Rod Liddle said he intends to use his ticket as it's already been bought and paid for but he is also going to buy a large amount of Daily Mail papers before boarding and he is going to walk along the train handing copies out to passengers. Then when his journey is done he said he will never use Virgin Trains ever again. " I am sure he will be missed! | |||
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"I will buy my copy of the daily mail from the newsagents and read it when I go to London next week " Travelling this Saturday? You may get a free copy from Rod Liddle. | |||
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"I will buy my copy of the daily mail from the newsagents and read it when I go to London next week Travelling this Saturday? You may get a free copy from Rod Liddle. "Dustbins at Euston are gonna be unusually overflowing then | |||
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"Last week Virgin Trains banned the Daily Mail because of its 'beliefs'. It's now lifting the ban because of its 'principles." Lol, so the Daily Mail only 'took a hit' for 6 days in total then.
I'm wondering how Virgin Trains profit margins and tickets sales have been looking over the last 6 days. 
Sir Richard Branson ordered the ban on the Daily Mail to be lifted on Virgin Trains and said the ban had been a PR Disaster for Virgin Trains. | |||
"Last week Virgin Trains banned the Daily Mail because of its 'beliefs'. It's now lifting the ban because of its 'principles. Lol, so the Daily Mail only 'took a hit' for 6 days in total then.
I'm wondering how Virgin Trains profit margins and tickets sales have been looking over the last 6 days.
Sir Richard Branson ordered the ban on the Daily Mail to be lifted on Virgin Trains and said the ban had been a PR Disaster for Virgin Trains. "Don't see Richard Branson admitting to it being a PR disaster...but then im guessing your quoting the Daily Fail. heres Virgins press release...and tbh its old news seen as it was removed in November...more spin from you yet again i suspect When Virgin Trains took the decision back in November to remove the Daily Mail from sale, it was not part of some grand campaign or at my behest – indeed Brian Souter and I were not aware of the decision until we read the media reports this week. The decision was made in response to feedback from some of our Virgin Trains employees. Brian and I respect our people when they make decisions and we listen to their views. It is the way we have always run our companies. But we must also listen to the concerns voiced widely this week – by those who agree with the Mail’s editorial stance and those who vehemently disagree with it – that this move has been seen as censorship. Freedom of speech, freedom of choice and tolerance for differing views are the core principles of any free and open society. While Virgin Trains has always said that their passengers are free to read whatever newspaper they choose on board West Coast trains, it is clear that on this occasion the decision to no longer sell The Mail has not been seen to live up to these principles. Brian and I agree that we must not ever be seen to be censoring what our customers read and influencing their freedom of choice. Nor must we be seen to be moralising on behalf of others. Instead we should stand up for the values we hold dear and defend them publicly, as I have done with the Mail on many issues over the years. So Brian and I have instructed our team at Virgin Trains to reconsider this decision and re-stock the Daily Mail while they undertake a full review of their sales policy, making clear that this policy should not single out individual media titles. No mention of a PR disaster there | |||
"Last week Virgin Trains banned the Daily Mail because of its 'beliefs'. It's now lifting the ban because of its 'principles. Lol, so the Daily Mail only 'took a hit' for 6 days in total then.
I'm wondering how Virgin Trains profit margins and tickets sales have been looking over the last 6 days.
Sir Richard Branson ordered the ban on the Daily Mail to be lifted on Virgin Trains and said the ban had been a PR Disaster for Virgin Trains.
Don't see Richard Branson admitting to it being a PR disaster...but then im guessing your quoting the Daily Fail. heres Virgins press release...and tbh its old news seen as it was removed in November...more spin from you yet again i suspect
When Virgin Trains took the decision back in November to remove the Daily Mail from sale, it was not part of some grand campaign or at my behest – indeed Brian Souter and I were not aware of the decision until we read the media reports this week.
The decision was made in response to feedback from some of our Virgin Trains employees. Brian and I respect our people when they make decisions and we listen to their views. It is the way we have always run our companies.
But we must also listen to the concerns voiced widely this week – by those who agree with the Mail’s editorial stance and those who vehemently disagree with it – that this move has been seen as censorship.
Freedom of speech, freedom of choice and tolerance for differing views are the core principles of any free and open society. While Virgin Trains has always said that their passengers are free to read whatever newspaper they choose on board West Coast trains, it is clear that on this occasion the decision to no longer sell The Mail has not been seen to live up to these principles.
Brian and I agree that we must not ever be seen to be censoring what our customers read and influencing their freedom of choice. Nor must we be seen to be moralising on behalf of others. Instead we should stand up for the values we hold dear and defend them publicly, as I have done with the Mail on many issues over the years.
So Brian and I have instructed our team at Virgin Trains to reconsider this decision and re-stock the Daily Mail while they undertake a full review of their sales policy, making clear that this policy should not single out individual media titles.
No mention of a PR disaster there "Sounds like they were too busy back-peddling to mention PR disaster! However, this article mentions it... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/virgin-trains-daily-mail-a8154851.html | |||
"Last week Virgin Trains banned the Daily Mail because of its 'beliefs'. It's now lifting the ban because of its 'principles. Lol, so the Daily Mail only 'took a hit' for 6 days in total then.
I'm wondering how Virgin Trains profit margins and tickets sales have been looking over the last 6 days.
Sir Richard Branson ordered the ban on the Daily Mail to be lifted on Virgin Trains and said the ban had been a PR Disaster for Virgin Trains.
Don't see Richard Branson admitting to it being a PR disaster...but then im guessing your quoting the Daily Fail. heres Virgins press release...and tbh its old news seen as it was removed in November...more spin from you yet again i suspect
When Virgin Trains took the decision back in November to remove the Daily Mail from sale, it was not part of some grand campaign or at my behest – indeed Brian Souter and I were not aware of the decision until we read the media reports this week.
The decision was made in response to feedback from some of our Virgin Trains employees. Brian and I respect our people when they make decisions and we listen to their views. It is the way we have always run our companies.
But we must also listen to the concerns voiced widely this week – by those who agree with the Mail’s editorial stance and those who vehemently disagree with it – that this move has been seen as censorship.
Freedom of speech, freedom of choice and tolerance for differing views are the core principles of any free and open society. While Virgin Trains has always said that their passengers are free to read whatever newspaper they choose on board West Coast trains, it is clear that on this occasion the decision to no longer sell The Mail has not been seen to live up to these principles.
Brian and I agree that we must not ever be seen to be censoring what our customers read and influencing their freedom of choice. Nor must we be seen to be moralising on behalf of others. Instead we should stand up for the values we hold dear and defend them publicly, as I have done with the Mail on many issues over the years.
So Brian and I have instructed our team at Virgin Trains to reconsider this decision and re-stock the Daily Mail while they undertake a full review of their sales policy, making clear that this policy should not single out individual media titles.
No mention of a PR disaster there
Sounds like they were too busy back-peddling to mention PR disaster!
However, this article mentions it...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/virgin-trains-daily-mail-a8154851.html"Thats from there website....the other rags can spin it how they want.... | |||
