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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit. 
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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit.
You do know why they have applied for a UK license right "
Please enlighten us esteemed wise one! |
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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit.
You do know why they have applied for a UK license right
Please enlighten us esteemed wise one!"
Love the comments in this forum section from the 'intelligent wise ones.'
We get the feeling everyone on here went to Oxbridge.....makes us council house trash so dumb...  |
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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit.
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You do know Ryanair said they may apply for a UK license back in June 2016.....
" The Irish-registered airline said it may consider setting up a UK operating licence if Britain fails to secure full access to European Union’s Open Skies air traffic system. "
Irish Times Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 08:48
don't you Centy 
Not quite the u-turn you were hoping for I presume  |
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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit.
You do know why they have applied for a UK license right
Please enlighten us esteemed wise one!"
See above someone answered why...now your enlightened |
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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit.
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Wrong again Centy.
Heres the actual quote from OLeary
“The UK, if it doesn’t change policy, is heading for a hard Brexit. There will be a disruption to flights from April 2019 onwards for that summer."
The key phrase is "hard brexit", now we know hard Brexit is dead theyve applied for the license which, as Andy pointed out, they have always said was an option.
So a more accurate take on this is: Now hard Brexit is dead, airline applies for license like they said they would.
Not much of a u-turn, but maybe youre not sure what a u-turn is.
A few examples might shed some light:
May saying that there would be no election and then calling one.
The dementia tax was another one, and one of the quickest announcement to uturn in just 4 days.
Davis' self proclaimed battle of the summer becoming the surrender before morning tea.
The double u turn of the Tories saying they were keeping the triple lock in pensions, then downgrading it to a double lock, then reinstating it to a triple lock.
Paying the EU divorce bill in its entirety. (Have you gotten over the fact that the Torys misled you on the final number just as I said they would? Hiding €11bn from the total figure to bring it well over €50bn)
The u turn by Davis saying that the UK would not take a transition deal where they continued to pay and accept EU rules. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit.
Wrong again Centy.
Heres the actual quote from OLeary
“The UK, if it doesn’t change policy, is heading for a hard Brexit. There will be a disruption to flights from April 2019 onwards for that summer."
The key phrase is "hard brexit", now we know hard Brexit is dead theyve applied for the license which, as Andy pointed out, they have always said was an option.
So a more accurate take on this is: Now hard Brexit is dead, airline applies for license like they said they would.
Not much of a u-turn, but maybe youre not sure what a u-turn is.
A few examples might shed some light:
May saying that there would be no election and then calling one.
The dementia tax was another one, and one of the quickest announcement to uturn in just 4 days.
Davis' self proclaimed battle of the summer becoming the surrender before morning tea.
The double u turn of the Tories saying they were keeping the triple lock in pensions, then downgrading it to a double lock, then reinstating it to a triple lock.
Paying the EU divorce bill in its entirety. (Have you gotten over the fact that the Torys misled you on the final number just as I said they would? Hiding €11bn from the total figure to bring it well over €50bn)
The u turn by Davis saying that the UK would not take a transition deal where they continued to pay and accept EU rules."
It was non news anyway...i think i saw it on Sky news for all about 20 seconds....hardly massive headlines....but you know these brexiters anything to make them feel better about themselves about fucking up the UK economy |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit.
You do know Ryanair said they may apply for a UK license back in June 2016.....
The Irish-registered airline said it may consider setting up a UK operating licence if Britain fails to secure full access to European Union’s Open Skies air traffic system.
Irish Times Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 08:48
don't you Centy
Not quite the u-turn you were hoping for I presume "
Actually - this is only for the small number of internal UK flights that Ryanair operate.
The flight situation to/from the UK remains in limbo until the UK position regarding EASA is formalised. This is what Ryanair are most concerned about and so should we be too.
Personally, I sense that Brexit will be too big a job for May & Co and that an ever-lengthening transition period will be agreed which will in effect be status quo and the UK will remain within critical EU Agencies because the UK is just not ready or able to leave them. |
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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit.
You do know Ryanair said they may apply for a UK license back in June 2016.....
The Irish-registered airline said it may consider setting up a UK operating licence if Britain fails to secure full access to European Union’s Open Skies air traffic system.
Irish Times Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 08:48
don't you Centy
Not quite the u-turn you were hoping for I presume "
Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary said on BBC Question Time during the EU referendum that Ryanair may cease operations in the UK if the country voted Leave. The Irish scaremonger is full of shit, and now that Ryanair have applied for a UK licence it proves how full of shit O'Leary really is. |
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"Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary said on BBC Question Time during the EU referendum that Ryanair may cease operations in the UK if the country voted Leave. The Irish scaremonger is full of shit, and now that Ryanair have applied for a UK licence it proves how full of shit O'Leary really is. "
I take it you do understand that if an airspace agreement is not signed as soon as we leave the EU there will be no access to any EU airspace for any UK air operator. That means only internal flights and no transatlantic flights by BA and Virgin overflying the RoI... |
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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit.
You do know Ryanair said they may apply for a UK license back in June 2016.....
The Irish-registered airline said it may consider setting up a UK operating licence if Britain fails to secure full access to European Union’s Open Skies air traffic system.
Irish Times Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 08:48
don't you Centy
Not quite the u-turn you were hoping for I presume
Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary said on BBC Question Time during the EU referendum that Ryanair may cease operations in the UK if the country voted Leave. The Irish scaremonger is full of shit, and now that Ryanair have applied for a UK licence it proves how full of shit O'Leary really is. "
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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit.
Wrong again Centy.
Heres the actual quote from OLeary
“The UK, if it doesn’t change policy, is heading for a hard Brexit. There will be a disruption to flights from April 2019 onwards for that summer."
The key phrase is "hard brexit", now we know hard Brexit is dead theyve applied for the license which, as Andy pointed out, they have always said was an option.
So a more accurate take on this is: Now hard Brexit is dead, airline applies for license like they said they would.
Not much of a u-turn, but maybe youre not sure what a u-turn is.
A few examples might shed some light:
May saying that there would be no election and then calling one.
The dementia tax was another one, and one of the quickest announcement to uturn in just 4 days.
Davis' self proclaimed battle of the summer becoming the surrender before morning tea.
The double u turn of the Tories saying they were keeping the triple lock in pensions, then downgrading it to a double lock, then reinstating it to a triple lock.
Paying the EU divorce bill in its entirety. (Have you gotten over the fact that the Torys misled you on the final number just as I said they would? Hiding €11bn from the total figure to bring it well over €50bn)
The u turn by Davis saying that the UK would not take a transition deal where they continued to pay and accept EU rules."
I think a better example to compare O'Leary's u-turn with would be the delicate snowflake Hillary Clinton supporters in America who said they would leave the USA if Donald Trump won the Presidency, now over a year later they are still living there, lol. O'Leary said Ryanair may stop operations in the UK if we voted Leave, now he's applied for a UK licence for Ryanair, spin all you like but that is most definitely a u-turn. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit.
You do know Ryanair said they may apply for a UK license back in June 2016.....
The Irish-registered airline said it may consider setting up a UK operating licence if Britain fails to secure full access to European Union’s Open Skies air traffic system.
Irish Times Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 08:48
don't you Centy
Not quite the u-turn you were hoping for I presume
Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary said on BBC Question Time during the EU referendum that Ryanair may cease operations in the UK if the country voted Leave. The Irish scaremonger is full of shit, and now that Ryanair have applied for a UK licence it proves how full of shit O'Leary really is. "
What would you propose that the U.K. does with regards to EASA? I take it that as a long standing UKIP supporter who has championed an EU exit for years - you would have a contingency in place? By the way, I know you have no idea but before you dofire off a response - just read up a bit on Open Skies and EASA. Perhaps this is an EU Agency that the U.K. should remain in? Or is there a better idea? |
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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit.
Wrong again Centy.
Heres the actual quote from OLeary
“The UK, if it doesn’t change policy, is heading for a hard Brexit. There will be a disruption to flights from April 2019 onwards for that summer."
The key phrase is "hard brexit", now we know hard Brexit is dead theyve applied for the license which, as Andy pointed out, they have always said was an option.
So a more accurate take on this is: Now hard Brexit is dead, airline applies for license like they said they would.
Not much of a u-turn, but maybe youre not sure what a u-turn is.
A few examples might shed some light:
May saying that there would be no election and then calling one.
The dementia tax was another one, and one of the quickest announcement to uturn in just 4 days.
Davis' self proclaimed battle of the summer becoming the surrender before morning tea.
The double u turn of the Tories saying they were keeping the triple lock in pensions, then downgrading it to a double lock, then reinstating it to a triple lock.
Paying the EU divorce bill in its entirety. (Have you gotten over the fact that the Torys misled you on the final number just as I said they would? Hiding €11bn from the total figure to bring it well over €50bn)
The u turn by Davis saying that the UK would not take a transition deal where they continued to pay and accept EU rules.
I think a better example to compare O'Leary's u-turn with would be the delicate snowflake Hillary Clinton supporters in America who said they would leave the USA if Donald Trump won the Presidency, now over a year later they are still living there, lol. O'Leary said Ryanair may stop operations in the UK if we voted Leave, now he's applied for a UK licence for Ryanair, spin all you like but that is most definitely a u-turn. "
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"What would you propose that the U.K. does with regards to EASA? I take it that as a long standing UKIP supporter who has championed an EU exit for years - you would have a contingency in place? By the way, I know you have no idea but before you dofire off a response - just read up a bit on Open Skies and EASA. Perhaps this is an EU Agency that the U.K. should remain in? Or is there a better idea? "
As I understand it, unless things change we are out of EASA when we leave the EU. |
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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit.
You do know Ryanair said they may apply for a UK license back in June 2016.....
The Irish-registered airline said it may consider setting up a UK operating licence if Britain fails to secure full access to European Union’s Open Skies air traffic system.
Irish Times Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 08:48
don't you Centy
Not quite the u-turn you were hoping for I presume
Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary said on BBC Question Time during the EU referendum that Ryanair may cease operations in the UK if the country voted Leave. The Irish scaremonger is full of shit, and now that Ryanair have applied for a UK licence it proves how full of shit O'Leary really is.
What would you propose that the U.K. does with regards to EASA? I take it that as a long standing UKIP supporter who has championed an EU exit for years - you would have a contingency in place? By the way, I know you have no idea but before you dofire off a response - just read up a bit on Open Skies and EASA. Perhaps this is an EU Agency that the U.K. should remain in? Or is there a better idea? "
Flights from all over the world go into the EU/Europe on a daily basis, not all of those countries are in the European Open Skies Agency. Really just how do those other countries who are not in the EU manage to get by? Still the EU lets them land their planes at European destinations when they've come from America, South America, Asia, etc. Just like you don't have to be in the single market or the customs union to trade with the EU, you don't have to be in the European Open Skies agency to fly planes in and out of the EU. |
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"Flights from all over the world go into the EU/Europe on a daily basis, not all of those countries are in the European Open Skies Agency. Really just how do those other countries who are not in the EU manage to get by? Still the EU lets them land their planes at European destinations when they've come from America, South America, Asia, etc. Just like you don't have to be in the single market or the customs union to trade with the EU, you don't have to be in the European Open Skies agency to fly planes in and out of the EU. "
True, however every one of them has a reciprocal agreements. |
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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit.
Wrong again Centy.
Heres the actual quote from OLeary
“The UK, if it doesn’t change policy, is heading for a hard Brexit. There will be a disruption to flights from April 2019 onwards for that summer."
The key phrase is "hard brexit", now we know hard Brexit is dead theyve applied for the license which, as Andy pointed out, they have always said was an option.
So a more accurate take on this is: Now hard Brexit is dead, airline applies for license like they said they would.
Not much of a u-turn, but maybe youre not sure what a u-turn is.
A few examples might shed some light:
May saying that there would be no election and then calling one.
The dementia tax was another one, and one of the quickest announcement to uturn in just 4 days.
Davis' self proclaimed battle of the summer becoming the surrender before morning tea.
The double u turn of the Tories saying they were keeping the triple lock in pensions, then downgrading it to a double lock, then reinstating it to a triple lock.
Paying the EU divorce bill in its entirety. (Have you gotten over the fact that the Torys misled you on the final number just as I said they would? Hiding €11bn from the total figure to bring it well over €50bn)
The u turn by Davis saying that the UK would not take a transition deal where they continued to pay and accept EU rules.
I think a better example to compare O'Leary's u-turn with would be the delicate snowflake Hillary Clinton supporters in America who said they would leave the USA if Donald Trump won the Presidency, now over a year later they are still living there, lol. O'Leary said Ryanair may stop operations in the UK if we voted Leave, now he's applied for a UK licence for Ryanair, spin all you like but that is most definitely a u-turn. "
That is a good example of a u turn, every election some idiots in America claim they'll leave as if anyone would miss them and they never do.
To quote your own words "O'Leary said Ryanair *may* stop operations in the UK". MAY stop operations, and it was in the event of a HARD brexit which is not happening. |
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By *oo hotCouple
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What would you propose that the U.K. does with regards to EASA? I take it that as a long standing UKIP supporter who has championed an EU exit for years - you would have a contingency in place? By the way, I know you have no idea but before you dofire off a response - just read up a bit on Open Skies and EASA. Perhaps this is an EU Agency that the U.K. should remain in? Or is there a better idea?
Flights from all over the world go into the EU/Europe on a daily basis, not all of those countries are in the European Open Skies Agency. Really just how do those other countries who are not in the EU manage to get by? Still the EU lets them land their planes at European destinations when they've come from America, South America, Asia, etc. Just like you don't have to be in the single market or the customs union to trade with the EU, you don't have to be in the European Open Skies agency to fly planes in and out of the EU. "
You said... “Really just how do those other countries who are not in the EU manage to get by?“
Instead of asking - shouldn’t you know and be able to follow the UKIP plan that surely is in place for this? The reason that other countries fly into and out of the EU (and elsewhere) is because of reciprocal agreements. The problem is that the CAA absolved it’s own responsibilities to EASA a long time ago and EASA through the CAA oversees Airbus component construction in the U.K. as well as commercial licensing. The UK does not have that capability and could not get to that level again in just 12 months time.
So the question would be then... How is the CAA gearing up to autonomous licensing again? How long will it take to replace the Open Skies Agreement with a U.K. specific agreement when the UK is ready? How will this impact Airbus component construction which is entirely EASA licensed? Is all of this worth the hassle and cost or instead should the U.K. just contribute to Remain a part of EASA?
Common sense would dictate that remaining a part of EASA is the most logical thing to do in terms of time, cost, logistics and economic risk. The problem with all of these complex EU Agency issues is that people who wantbout of the EU just can’t be bothered to peel back the layers and understand the consequences. Especially when it is so much easier to say out, out, out - it will be (someone else will) sort it out,
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"Flights from all over the world go into the EU/Europe on a daily basis, not all of those countries are in the European Open Skies Agency. Really just how do those other countries who are not in the EU manage to get by? Still the EU lets them land their planes at European destinations when they've come from America, South America, Asia, etc. Just like you don't have to be in the single market or the customs union to trade with the EU, you don't have to be in the European Open Skies agency to fly planes in and out of the EU.
True, however every one of them has a reciprocal agreements. "
Well we are currently in the middle of negotiations with the EU. Reciprocal agreements is something that can be negotiated before a deal is signed. |
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What would you propose that the U.K. does with regards to EASA? I take it that as a long standing UKIP supporter who has championed an EU exit for years - you would have a contingency in place? By the way, I know you have no idea but before you dofire off a response - just read up a bit on Open Skies and EASA. Perhaps this is an EU Agency that the U.K. should remain in? Or is there a better idea?
Flights from all over the world go into the EU/Europe on a daily basis, not all of those countries are in the European Open Skies Agency. Really just how do those other countries who are not in the EU manage to get by? Still the EU lets them land their planes at European destinations when they've come from America, South America, Asia, etc. Just like you don't have to be in the single market or the customs union to trade with the EU, you don't have to be in the European Open Skies agency to fly planes in and out of the EU.
You said... “Really just how do those other countries who are not in the EU manage to get by?“
Instead of asking - shouldn’t you know and be able to follow the UKIP plan that surely is in place for this? The reason that other countries fly into and out of the EU (and elsewhere) is because of reciprocal agreements. The problem is that the CAA absolved it’s own responsibilities to EASA a long time ago and EASA through the CAA oversees Airbus component construction in the U.K. as well as commercial licensing. The UK does not have that capability and could not get to that level again in just 12 months time.
So the question would be then... How is the CAA gearing up to autonomous licensing again? How long will it take to replace the Open Skies Agreement with a U.K. specific agreement when the UK is ready? How will this impact Airbus component construction which is entirely EASA licensed? Is all of this worth the hassle and cost or instead should the U.K. just contribute to Remain a part of EASA?
Common sense would dictate that remaining a part of EASA is the most logical thing to do in terms of time, cost, logistics and economic risk. The problem with all of these complex EU Agency issues is that people who wantbout of the EU just can’t be bothered to peel back the layers and understand the consequences. Especially when it is so much easier to say out, out, out - it will be (someone else will) sort it out,
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When I said "Really how do these other countries not in the EU manage to get by?" it was meant more with a hint of sarcasm rather than a straight direct question. The answer to that question though is...those other countries manage to get by just fine. Yes they have reciprocal agreements and we are currently in the middle of negotiating the terms of our exit with the EU so reciprocal agreements is something which can and will be negotiated in the talks. Both the UK and the EU have already said jointly that they both want a transition period and our terms of membership will broadly stay the same during any transition. I suspect things will stay as they are with regard to Open skies during the transition period. The EU is talking of a transition period up until December 2020, so that gives considerably longer than 12 months you outlined to iron out any finer details in reciprocal agreements in this area. |
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"Well we are currently in the middle of negotiations with the EU. Reciprocal agreements is something that can be negotiated before a deal is signed. "
My god Centy when will you wake up?
We are not in negotiations about reciprocal or trade agreements. We are in talks about those talks.
The EU has said there can be no trade deal or talks about a trade deal until we have left. We have now offered to pay the EU 50 billion in a leaving settlement and to continue to pay at the same rate as now for a further 2 years after leaving to give time to negotiate a trade deal without our economy crashing...
The EU has not accepted this, all they have done is said it is a big enough move in the right direction that they will listen to what we are offering and what we are looking for in exchange. |
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By *oo hotCouple
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What would you propose that the U.K. does with regards to EASA? I take it that as a long standing UKIP supporter who has championed an EU exit for years - you would have a contingency in place? By the way, I know you have no idea but before you dofire off a response - just read up a bit on Open Skies and EASA. Perhaps this is an EU Agency that the U.K. should remain in? Or is there a better idea?
Flights from all over the world go into the EU/Europe on a daily basis, not all of those countries are in the European Open Skies Agency. Really just how do those other countries who are not in the EU manage to get by? Still the EU lets them land their planes at European destinations when they've come from America, South America, Asia, etc. Just like you don't have to be in the single market or the customs union to trade with the EU, you don't have to be in the European Open Skies agency to fly planes in and out of the EU.
You said... “Really just how do those other countries who are not in the EU manage to get by?“
Instead of asking - shouldn’t you know and be able to follow the UKIP plan that surely is in place for this? The reason that other countries fly into and out of the EU (and elsewhere) is because of reciprocal agreements. The problem is that the CAA absolved it’s own responsibilities to EASA a long time ago and EASA through the CAA oversees Airbus component construction in the U.K. as well as commercial licensing. The UK does not have that capability and could not get to that level again in just 12 months time.
So the question would be then... How is the CAA gearing up to autonomous licensing again? How long will it take to replace the Open Skies Agreement with a U.K. specific agreement when the UK is ready? How will this impact Airbus component construction which is entirely EASA licensed? Is all of this worth the hassle and cost or instead should the U.K. just contribute to Remain a part of EASA?
Common sense would dictate that remaining a part of EASA is the most logical thing to do in terms of time, cost, logistics and economic risk. The problem with all of these complex EU Agency issues is that people who wantbout of the EU just can’t be bothered to peel back the layers and understand the consequences. Especially when it is so much easier to say out, out, out - it will be (someone else will) sort it out,
When I said "Really how do these other countries not in the EU manage to get by?" it was meant more with a hint of sarcasm rather than a straight direct question. The answer to that question though is...those other countries manage to get by just fine. Yes they have reciprocal agreements and we are currently in the middle of negotiating the terms of our exit with the EU so reciprocal agreements is something which can and will be negotiated in the talks. Both the UK and the EU have already said jointly that they both want a transition period and our terms of membership will broadly stay the same during any transition. I suspect things will stay as they are with regard to Open skies during the transition period. The EU is talking of a transition period up until December 2020, so that gives considerably longer than 12 months you outlined to iron out any finer details in reciprocal agreements in this area. "
Let me put it bluntly. The CAA is currently a non league side talking about playing in the Champions League. The CAA was once in the Premier League along with other European National Aviation Agencies but they all took a back seat when EASA was created and all slipped down to non league status.
Clearly you don’t want to look at this objectively, but you should at least try. How long do you honk it would take the CAA to recruit and train sufficient Engineers, medical staff, training staff, Admin for all departments and find a big enough premises to relocate to? The aviation world is very very different these days and the CAA is currently not in the game.
Putting all of that on one side there is also the Airbus question and it’s licensing body EASA.
I fully accept that all of these things can be resolved and in time probably would be. But in any kind of process there has to be a cost/benefit analysis and staying in EASA makes more sense than leaving simply because we will just have to replicate what already exists. That is inefficient and a waste of money especially considering that even before EASA many high skilled CAA jobs were imported. |
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Well we are currently in the middle of negotiations with the EU. Reciprocal agreements is something that can be negotiated before a deal is signed. "
really centy....
you do KNOW that airline schedules are set at a minimum 12 months in advance dont you....
which means that if there is no agreement set by march 31st then all flights in/out of the UK that has to go thru european airspace will be potentially affected.... |
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Well we are currently in the middle of negotiations with the EU. Reciprocal agreements is something that can be negotiated before a deal is signed.
really centy....
you do KNOW that airline schedules are set at a minimum 12 months in advance dont you....
which means that if there is no agreement set by march 31st then all flights in/out of the UK that has to go thru european airspace will be potentially affected...."
he dosent...the point on this thread is to grandstand anything pro brexit...a bit like he grandstanded Trumps "tax reforms" and Charlotteville and the pointy hatters..mind you one good thing 6 of his kin got arrested this week |
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"Well we are currently in the middle of negotiations with the EU. Reciprocal agreements is something that can be negotiated before a deal is signed.
My god Centy when will you wake up?
We are not in negotiations about reciprocal or trade agreements. We are in talks about those talks.
The EU has said there can be no trade deal or talks about a trade deal until we have left. We have now offered to pay the EU 50 billion in a leaving settlement and to continue to pay at the same rate as now for a further 2 years after leaving to give time to negotiate a trade deal without our economy crashing...
The EU has not accepted this, all they have done is said it is a big enough move in the right direction that they will listen to what we are offering and what we are looking for in exchange. "
I'm wide awake will, the trouble is with miserable half glass empty pessimistic doom mongers like you is you always look for the negatives. I distinctly remember you saying that the Tories would never trigger article 50 before the deadline of March 31st 2017, and if it was triggered in time we could all call you a space cadet. Article 50 was triggered before the deadline and it appears your head is still up in space. Remain doom mongers also said a deal on phase 1 of the EU negotiations would never be done, then an agreement was reached that proved them all wrong and an agreement on phase 1 of the negotiations was concluded. A big clue about what phase 2 of the negotiations is all about is in the name, it's called phase 2 trade talks. So yes trade WILL now be discussed in phase 2 of the negotiations. You really should also fact check that divorce bill, the official divorce bill has already been agreed with the phase 1 settlement at between £35 billion and £39 billion. You see things can be done when you have a positive, half glass full, optimistic approach to obstacles and problems. I really do pity your negative, pessimistic outlook on life. |
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"Well we are currently in the middle of negotiations with the EU. Reciprocal agreements is something that can be negotiated before a deal is signed.
My god Centy when will you wake up?
We are not in negotiations about reciprocal or trade agreements. We are in talks about those talks.
The EU has said there can be no trade deal or talks about a trade deal until we have left. We have now offered to pay the EU 50 billion in a leaving settlement and to continue to pay at the same rate as now for a further 2 years after leaving to give time to negotiate a trade deal without our economy crashing...
The EU has not accepted this, all they have done is said it is a big enough move in the right direction that they will listen to what we are offering and what we are looking for in exchange.
I'm wide awake will, the trouble is with miserable half glass empty pessimistic doom mongers like you is you always look for the negatives. I distinctly remember you saying that the Tories would never trigger article 50 before the deadline of March 31st 2017, and if it was triggered in time we could all call you a space cadet. Article 50 was triggered before the deadline and it appears your head is still up in space. Remain doom mongers also said a deal on phase 1 of the EU negotiations would never be done, then an agreement was reached that proved them all wrong and an agreement on phase 1 of the negotiations was concluded. A big clue about what phase 2 of the negotiations is all about is in the name, it's called phase 2 trade talks. So yes trade WILL now be discussed in phase 2 of the negotiations. You really should also fact check that divorce bill, the official divorce bill has already been agreed with the phase 1 settlement at between £35 billion and £39 billion. You see things can be done when you have a positive, half glass full, optimistic approach to obstacles and problems. I really do pity your negative, pessimistic outlook on life. "
Bollocks and spin yet again |
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"I'm wide awake will, the trouble is with miserable half glass empty pessimistic doom mongers like you is you always look for the negatives. I distinctly remember you saying that the Tories would never trigger article 50 before the deadline of March 31st 2017, and if it was triggered in time we could all call you a space cadet. Article 50 was triggered before the deadline and it appears your head is still up in space. Remain doom mongers also said a deal on phase 1 of the EU negotiations would never be done, then an agreement was reached that proved them all wrong and an agreement on phase 1 of the negotiations was concluded. A big clue about what phase 2 of the negotiations is all about is in the name, it's called phase 2 trade talks. So yes trade WILL now be discussed in phase 2 of the negotiations. You really should also fact check that divorce bill, the official divorce bill has already been agreed with the phase 1 settlement at between £35 billion and £39 billion. You see things can be done when you have a positive, half glass full, optimistic approach to obstacles and problems. I really do pity your negative, pessimistic outlook on life. "
I will give you your first point, the maybot did trigger article 50 the day before the deadline given by the EU (because she is strong and stable). Just as she caved on every EU demand just before the last EU deadline (because she is strong and stable).
I have now revised my opinion of the maybot. She will spend the next 8 and a bit months saying she will give nothing away and then days before the next EU deadline she will cave and give the EU everything they demand (again because she is strong and stable). Of course when she caves we will wake up and find she has acquiesced to every EU condition laid down last month. Of course you will claim that as a victory...
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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit.
You do know Ryanair said they may apply for a UK license back in June 2016.....
The Irish-registered airline said it may consider setting up a UK operating licence if Britain fails to secure full access to European Union’s Open Skies air traffic system.
Irish Times Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 08:48
don't you Centy
Not quite the u-turn you were hoping for I presume
Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary said on BBC Question Time during the EU referendum that Ryanair may cease operations in the UK if the country voted Leave. The Irish scaremonger is full of shit, and now that Ryanair have applied for a UK licence it proves how full of shit O'Leary really is. "
MAY CEASE..... MAY.....may..... ohh it's probably a lost cause on you |
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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit.
Wrong again Centy.
Heres the actual quote from OLeary
“The UK, if it doesn’t change policy, is heading for a hard Brexit. There will be a disruption to flights from April 2019 onwards for that summer."
The key phrase is "hard brexit", now we know hard Brexit is dead theyve applied for the license which, as Andy pointed out, they have always said was an option.
So a more accurate take on this is: Now hard Brexit is dead, airline applies for license like they said they would.
Not much of a u-turn, but maybe youre not sure what a u-turn is.
A few examples might shed some light:
May saying that there would be no election and then calling one.
The dementia tax was another one, and one of the quickest announcement to uturn in just 4 days.
Davis' self proclaimed battle of the summer becoming the surrender before morning tea.
The double u turn of the Tories saying they were keeping the triple lock in pensions, then downgrading it to a double lock, then reinstating it to a triple lock.
Paying the EU divorce bill in its entirety. (Have you gotten over the fact that the Torys misled you on the final number just as I said they would? Hiding €11bn from the total figure to bring it well over €50bn)
The u turn by Davis saying that the UK would not take a transition deal where they continued to pay and accept EU rules.
I think a better example to compare O'Leary's u-turn with would be the delicate snowflake Hillary Clinton supporters in America who said they would leave the USA if Donald Trump won the Presidency, now over a year later they are still living there, lol. O'Leary said Ryanair may stop operations in the UK if we voted Leave, now he's applied for a UK licence for Ryanair, spin all you like but that is most definitely a u-turn. "
Better example of a massive u-turn is Centy saying we won't be paying a penny for any divorce bill then shouting from the roof tops and claiming a victory because we're going to pay £37 + BILLION pounds bill. |
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By *oo hotCouple
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Why the talk about U Turns?
There have not been any U Turns by O'Leary or Ryanair.
Anyone operating internal flights post-Brexit will need CAA Certification. Ryanair have applied for the few internal flights that they do operate. |
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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit.
Wrong again Centy.
Heres the actual quote from OLeary
“The UK, if it doesn’t change policy, is heading for a hard Brexit. There will be a disruption to flights from April 2019 onwards for that summer."
The key phrase is "hard brexit", now we know hard Brexit is dead theyve applied for the license which, as Andy pointed out, they have always said was an option.
So a more accurate take on this is: Now hard Brexit is dead, airline applies for license like they said they would.
Not much of a u-turn, but maybe youre not sure what a u-turn is.
A few examples might shed some light:
May saying that there would be no election and then calling one.
The dementia tax was another one, and one of the quickest announcement to uturn in just 4 days.
Davis' self proclaimed battle of the summer becoming the surrender before morning tea.
The double u turn of the Tories saying they were keeping the triple lock in pensions, then downgrading it to a double lock, then reinstating it to a triple lock.
Paying the EU divorce bill in its entirety. (Have you gotten over the fact that the Torys misled you on the final number just as I said they would? Hiding €11bn from the total figure to bring it well over €50bn)
The u turn by Davis saying that the UK would not take a transition deal where they continued to pay and accept EU rules.
I think a better example to compare O'Leary's u-turn with would be the delicate snowflake Hillary Clinton supporters in America who said they would leave the USA if Donald Trump won the Presidency, now over a year later they are still living there, lol. O'Leary said Ryanair may stop operations in the UK if we voted Leave, now he's applied for a UK licence for Ryanair, spin all you like but that is most definitely a u-turn.
Better example of a massive u-turn is Centy saying we won't be paying a penny for any divorce bill then shouting from the roof tops and claiming a victory because we're going to pay £37 + BILLION pounds bill."
Wrong again, I said we wouldn't pay a penny for any divorce bill in the event of no deal, and that is still the UK government position. We will only be paying the £35 - £39 billion divorce bill provided a deal is reached with the EU. |
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Wrong again, I said we wouldn't pay a penny for any divorce bill in the event of no deal, and that is still the UK government position. We will only be paying the £35 - £39 billion divorce bill provided a deal is reached with the EU. "
No deal?
That was only ever a possibility in the fevered minds of Brexiters who Prime Minister brought on side with her infamous and ridiculous statement that “no deal is better than a bad deal.”
The “no deal” option has never been a possibility and never will be. |
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"So after all of the scaremongering nonsense coming from Remainers, Ryanair and it's boss Michael O'Leary during the EU referendum campaign and beyond into 2017, saying that the company would stop operating routes in the UK should the country vote Leave and do Brexit, it seems the Irish company has done a u-turn and now applied for a UK licence so they can continue operating routes in the UK after Brexit.
Wrong again Centy.
Heres the actual quote from OLeary
“The UK, if it doesn’t change policy, is heading for a hard Brexit. There will be a disruption to flights from April 2019 onwards for that summer."
The key phrase is "hard brexit", now we know hard Brexit is dead theyve applied for the license which, as Andy pointed out, they have always said was an option.
So a more accurate take on this is: Now hard Brexit is dead, airline applies for license like they said they would.
Not much of a u-turn, but maybe youre not sure what a u-turn is.
A few examples might shed some light:
May saying that there would be no election and then calling one.
The dementia tax was another one, and one of the quickest announcement to uturn in just 4 days.
Davis' self proclaimed battle of the summer becoming the surrender before morning tea.
The double u turn of the Tories saying they were keeping the triple lock in pensions, then downgrading it to a double lock, then reinstating it to a triple lock.
Paying the EU divorce bill in its entirety. (Have you gotten over the fact that the Torys misled you on the final number just as I said they would? Hiding €11bn from the total figure to bring it well over €50bn)
The u turn by Davis saying that the UK would not take a transition deal where they continued to pay and accept EU rules.
I think a better example to compare O'Leary's u-turn with would be the delicate snowflake Hillary Clinton supporters in America who said they would leave the USA if Donald Trump won the Presidency, now over a year later they are still living there, lol. O'Leary said Ryanair may stop operations in the UK if we voted Leave, now he's applied for a UK licence for Ryanair, spin all you like but that is most definitely a u-turn.
Better example of a massive u-turn is Centy saying we won't be paying a penny for any divorce bill then shouting from the roof tops and claiming a victory because we're going to pay £37 + BILLION pounds bill.
Wrong again, I said we wouldn't pay a penny for any divorce bill in the event of no deal, and that is still the UK government position. We will only be paying the £35 - £39 billion divorce bill provided a deal is reached with the EU. "
Nope, I clearly remember you saying we wont pay a penny and it will be the EU begging us for a FTA |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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See centy... why not just talk about the actual issue you raised....
aviation....
or is it that because you have been schooled on why ryanair have done why they did... and why it is no biggie... and why the deadline is now ultra tight (10 weeks away!!!)
so you go back to the basic bait and switch bread and butter... |
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Wrong again, I said we wouldn't pay a penny for any divorce bill in the event of no deal, and that is still the UK government position. We will only be paying the £35 - £39 billion divorce bill provided a deal is reached with the EU. "
But Centy, remember when the deal was reached and I posted quotes from EU officials which stated that the UK asked the EU not to publish an estimste because it would be a much higher figure than the £38bn?
And remember when I posted the details of the estimate and pointed out all the ways the Tories were trying to hide the real figure including a full £11bn in payments that they just left out of the estimate altogether?
And remember when I posted that in reply to you several times and you wouldnt acknowledge it because it proved you wrong?
Cause Im not sure you remember because your posting like it never happened.
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The interesting thing will be to see how many European airlines are applying to the CAA for operators licences. At present those who are based in other EEA countries are covered by their domestic licence but as soon as we leave the EEA and open skys those carriers will require a CAA licence to enter UK airspace. If they are not applying then we will know that EU businesses are gearing up for the EU to start really playing hardball with us. |
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"The interesting thing will be to see how many European airlines are applying to the CAA for operators licences. At present those who are based in other EEA countries are covered by their domestic licence but as soon as we leave the EEA and open skys those carriers will require a CAA licence to enter UK airspace. If they are not applying then we will know that EU businesses are gearing up for the EU to start really playing hardball with us."
I'm sure aviation companies with a UK licence (like Ryanair now they've applied for one) would relish the new opportunities if that happened. If some EU businesses decided not to apply for a UK licence then the companies with UK licences would simply fill the spaces that those other companies have left behind. That is the nature of business when gaps appear in the market then other companies step in to fill the voids. |
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"I'm sure aviation companies with a UK licence (like Ryanair now they've applied for one) would relish the new opportunities if that happened. If some EU businesses decided not to apply for a UK licence then the companies with UK licences would simply fill the spaces that those other companies have left behind. That is the nature of business when gaps appear in the market then other companies step in to fill the voids. "
Why is it you and so many kipper brexiteers are so obtuse Centy?
If EEA carriers are not applying for CAA licences then it is a clear signal that it is the intention of the ECAA to close European airspace to all UK carriers unless the UK remains in the ECAA. And just to be clear as the EU can easily reroute EU carriers around UK airspace such a move although inconvenient and adding some time to some flights would not do significant harm to the European commercial air transport industry. However it would cause crippling damage to the point of collapsing the businesses of every UK international carrier. (In case you had not noticed virtually every international flight out of the UK overflies at least one EEA country and therefore needs a licence to enter ECAA airspace...
Or maybe you think that our carriers will be able to enter other sovereign countries airspace without permission and without there being severe consequences? |
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"The interesting thing will be to see how many European airlines are applying to the CAA for operators licences. At present those who are based in other EEA countries are covered by their domestic licence but as soon as we leave the EEA and open skys those carriers will require a CAA licence to enter UK airspace. If they are not applying then we will know that EU businesses are gearing up for the EU to start really playing hardball with us."
I am not sure that you are right.
Ryanair are calling the bluff of the UK Govt through the CAA. There is currently no need for a U.K. licensing authority for any commercial aircraft operating within or to/from the U.K. because it is covered by EASA. If the U.K. opts for a complete break then there will be two future scenario’s:
1) CAA Authority to operate within the U.K only
2) some kind of agreement between the CAA and EASA (and all other non EU agencies) to enable flights into and out of the U.K. from every other country (these agreements are currently made by EASA.
O’Leart, far from backtracking has applied early to a nonexistent office at the CAA for Authority to operate its small number internal domestic flights. O’Leary knows that the CAA cannot even deliver Authority for domestic flights because they have neither authority, nor logistics to be able to do it. This is why no other airline has done it.
This whole episode, rather than illustrating a u turn, is in fact about demonstrating how unprepared the U.K. is for a life outside of EASA. |
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"The interesting thing will be to see how many European airlines are applying to the CAA for operators licences. At present those who are based in other EEA countries are covered by their domestic licence but as soon as we leave the EEA and open skys those carriers will require a CAA licence to enter UK airspace. If they are not applying then we will know that EU businesses are gearing up for the EU to start really playing hardball with us.
I'm sure aviation companies with a UK licence (like Ryanair now they've applied for one) would relish the new opportunities if that happened. If some EU businesses decided not to apply for a UK licence then the companies with UK licences would simply fill the spaces that those other companies have left behind. That is the nature of business when gaps appear in the market then other companies step in to fill the voids. "
not always... too simplistic as per normal with centy,
where the routes are ultra popular they will be able to absorbed the extra costs....
but where routes are marginal... with extra costs it may make the different between running an not....
and that is without making decisions over when planes are hangered, maintained and other things... thats is where jobs may end up being lost..... |
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"I am not sure that you are right.
Ryanair are calling the bluff of the UK Govt through the CAA. There is currently no need for a U.K. licensing authority for any commercial aircraft operating within or to/from the U.K. because it is covered by EASA. If the U.K. opts for a complete break then there will be two future scenario’s:
1) CAA Authority to operate within the U.K only
2) some kind of agreement between the CAA and EASA (and all other non EU agencies) to enable flights into and out of the U.K. from every other country (these agreements are currently made by EASA.
O’Leart, far from backtracking has applied early to a nonexistent office at the CAA for Authority to operate its small number internal domestic flights. O’Leary knows that the CAA cannot even deliver Authority for domestic flights because they have neither authority, nor logistics to be able to do it. This is why no other airline has done it.
This whole episode, rather than illustrating a u turn, is in fact about demonstrating how unprepared the U.K. is for a life outside of EASA."
It is our governments stated position that at midnight on the 28/3/19 we leave the EU, the Customs Union and the European Single Market. Therefore we leave the EEA and in so doing the EUAA and loose all benefits that accrues to the UK international air transport industry. That includes the automatic right to enter other EUAA members airspace. If the carriers of other EUAA member states are not applying for CAA carrier licences then we should be very worried as it signals that it has already been decided that if the UK does not remain in the EUAA, therefore accepting EUAA (and by implication EU) air sovereignty. Then the EU intend to ban all UK carriers from all EU airspace thus destroying the UK air transport industry.
And for those who think I am being disingenuous or inflating a potential problem far beyond its worst possible outcome, just think of the chaos caused to UK flights when French air-traffic controllers go on strike and close their airspace. Now look at a map and a list of all 32 (soon to be 31) countries governed by the EUAA, look at their airspace and see how many UK international flight paths enter their airspace. The ask yourself how much disruption if all are closed to our carriers?
I would suggest that no international UK carrier could keep flying if faced with those restrictions. However closing our airspace to EUAA carriers in retaliation would not have any significant effect on them. |
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"I am not sure that you are right.
Ryanair are calling the bluff of the UK Govt through the CAA. There is currently no need for a U.K. licensing authority for any commercial aircraft operating within or to/from the U.K. because it is covered by EASA. If the U.K. opts for a complete break then there will be two future scenario’s:
1) CAA Authority to operate within the U.K only
2) some kind of agreement between the CAA and EASA (and all other non EU agencies) to enable flights into and out of the U.K. from every other country (these agreements are currently made by EASA.
O’Leart, far from backtracking has applied early to a nonexistent office at the CAA for Authority to operate its small number internal domestic flights. O’Leary knows that the CAA cannot even deliver Authority for domestic flights because they have neither authority, nor logistics to be able to do it. This is why no other airline has done it.
This whole episode, rather than illustrating a u turn, is in fact about demonstrating how unprepared the U.K. is for a life outside of EASA.
It is our governments stated position that at midnight on the 28/3/19 we leave the EU, the Customs Union and the European Single Market. Therefore we leave the EEA and in so doing the EUAA and loose all benefits that accrues to the UK international air transport industry. That includes the automatic right to enter other EUAA members airspace. If the carriers of other EUAA member states are not applying for CAA carrier licences then we should be very worried as it signals that it has already been decided that if the UK does not remain in the EUAA, therefore accepting EUAA (and by implication EU) air sovereignty. Then the EU intend to ban all UK carriers from all EU airspace thus destroying the UK air transport industry.
And for those who think I am being disingenuous or inflating a potential problem far beyond its worst possible outcome, just think of the chaos caused to UK flights when French air-traffic controllers go on strike and close their airspace. Now look at a map and a list of all 32 (soon to be 31) countries governed by the EUAA, look at their airspace and see how many UK international flight paths enter their airspace. The ask yourself how much disruption if all are closed to our carriers?
I would suggest that no international UK carrier could keep flying if faced with those restrictions. However closing our airspace to EUAA carriers in retaliation would not have any significant effect on them."
But there is no point in any carrier applying to the CAA because the CAA does not have the technical ability to issue authorities that don’t even exist and even if they did, they would have to be enabled without any appropriate due diligence - which is not the way it is done. |
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Spain ,Portugal /Italy Poland Greece and of course Eire
I think closing European airspace to UK carriers will have significant effect on tourism to those countries
Trade between the EU and UK not effected by UK carriers not getting a deal , EU would suffer .
Would it be worth Ryan air flying in the UK with no deal on flights ? Ryan Airs flights in uk are limited without a deal costs would increase . Little if any money to be made by them .
It’s not all one sided though a number of you would love it to be or it seems so from some of your posts
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"Spain ,Portugal /Italy Poland Greece and of course Eire
I think closing European airspace to UK carriers will have significant effect on tourism to those countries
Trade between the EU and UK not effected by UK carriers not getting a deal , EU would suffer .
Would it be worth Ryan air flying in the UK with no deal on flights ? Ryan Airs flights in uk are limited without a deal costs would increase . Little if any money to be made by them .
It’s not all one sided though a number of you would love it to be or it seems so from some of your posts
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It is not about closing airspace because of random thoughts. It is about regulation and international law.
The U.K. has no processes or procedures in place to diverge U.K. airspace from European airspace and the U.K. regulatory authority is currently unable to create a body that has the technical ability to re-create aviation legislation that is currently handled by EASA to enable the U.K. to partake in reciprocating airspace agreements.
Your response is stereotypically simply Brexit. It’s a problem that is way to complicated - so let’s ignore it or blame someone else.
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By *oo hotCouple
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"BTW I have no interest in stopping flights from eu countries through UK air space I wouldn’t be so petty "
It is about international law - not pettiness. No commercial airliner could get valid insurance unless the aircraft, it’s crew and the flight were all operating under a recognised legal framework. The U.K. does not have the ability to put that framework together at the moment. |
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I think closing European airspace to UK carriers will have significant effect on tourism to those countries
Trade between the EU and UK not effected by UK carriers not getting a deal , EU would suffer .
Would it be worth Ryan air flying in the UK with no deal on flights ? Ryan Airs flights in uk are limited without a deal costs would increase . Little if any money to be made by them .
It’s not all one sided though a number of you would love it to be or it seems so from some of your posts
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So you think we would not really be effected...
Next time you go into whichever supermarket you buy the majority of your food in take a close look at the fresh veg and pay attention to the country of origin if it comes from Africa, the Near East, Middle East, Indian subcontinent or far East it came by air. If it came from Eastern Europe or the Iberian peninsula there is about a 50% chance it came by air. The idea that the EU needs us more than we need them is bolox, the idea that if it comes to a trade war we are the ones that will win is garbage. The truth is the EU are planning for this eurosceptic UK government and Tory party to reject the EU's terms at the last minute and initiate a trade war by turning the UK into a low/no tax haven off the coast of Europe offering ways for unprincipled businesses to avoid paying any EU taxes.
There are saying in the worlds military that is very appropriate to the situation we find ourselves in.
Firstly: Failing to plan is planning to fail.
I have seen no planning on our governments part. What I have seen is inane grins on smug faces who know that regardless of their obvious incompetency and total lack of preparedness or how blatantly they lie both to the British public and parliament they will not be removed.
Secondly:
Go ugly early.
The EU has already told us there will be no special deal and access for the UK financial services unless we stay in the single market and follow all EU rules including free movement of citizens and the ECJ retains its place as the ultimate court of appeal. Our government continually reject this and are writing into law that we leave both of these institutions when we leave the EU on the 28/3/19. I would not be surprised if the day we enforce this rejection of the EU the EU decides to give us a practical demonstration of exactly where the real power lies by effectively grounding every UK carrier plane by banning all UK carrier flights from EU controlled airspace. Of course there will be non UK and EU carriers who will step into the gap and supply ferry services EU hubs from the UK and bring in some of the produce that was carried by UK and EU carriers. But between this and the border and financial transfer controls that will probably be put in place immediately I expect that our government will cave within 10 days probably triggering another general election.
I could be wrong, The maybot, BoJo and the rest of her crew may be playing an elaborate game of rope a dope, but unfortunately I doubt that very much.
My personal opinion is our government reflect Centy and Centy our government, and just like all autocratic regimes once a course is set it will not be changed regardless of cost or damage done, because they have to continually prove that those in charge are strong and stable and in control regardless of domestic dissent. |
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