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"Farage nil
Clegg one
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At least Clegg has plenty of spare time to collect his honour now he's unemployed since his constituents in Sheffield kicked him out of his MP's job in the general election. 
Farage on the other hand is still busy as an MEP until our departure from the EU, and with his radio show on LBC. |
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"Farage..
Busy as an Mep.. 
Comedy feckin gold.. 
Hahahahahahaha! Yeah, It is the way he tells them with such a straight face.
-Matt"
Busy as an MEP.
You mean not turning up to meetings yet still earning an income and a pension that the working and middle class can only dream of for their kids?
Yeah, biggest charlatan ever. |
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"Farage..
Busy as an Mep..
Comedy feckin gold.. "
Clegg is a gutless snivelling weasely shit.
Phil Green gpt a knighthood so he's joining a rogues gallery of appropriate company |
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"Farage nil
Clegg one
At least Clegg has plenty of spare time to collect his honour now he's unemployed since his constituents in Sheffield kicked him out of his MP's job in the general election.
Farage on the other hand is still busy as an MEP until our departure from the EU, and with his radio show on LBC. "
You mean the working class, centre left constituency replaced Clegg with a left winger from labour, and directly or indirectly support a soft brexit as it were.
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Clegg in the coalition was not good. But as a long running MP he was awesome. He was my MP for many years and have no complaints. But his constituent is full of students and professors and professionals. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Farage nil
Clegg one
At least Clegg has plenty of spare time to collect his honour now he's unemployed since his constituents in Sheffield kicked him out of his MP's job in the general election.
Farage on the other hand is still busy as an MEP until our departure from the EU, and with his radio show on LBC. "
How well did Garage "I'm not a career politician, who's been a politician for almost all my working life" and his UKIP chums "defend" the UK against the nasty Europeans? According to you we have been taken for a ride by them for decades? How did Farage "52:48 will be unfinished business" do in reducing EU waste? How much did "the Syrians are coming through Turkey" Farage do in enforcing immigration rules?
Did he just squander the UKs influence so that we would get worse outcomes than would have been possible? Did he just create create failure wherever possible?
Still too cowardly to investigate your cognitive bias Centaur?  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Farage..
Busy as an Mep..
Comedy feckin gold..
Clegg is a gutless snivelling weasely shit.
Phil Green gpt a knighthood so he's joining a rogues gallery of appropriate company "
Define how he was gutless and weasly.
Please contrast with his peers. How have they not been? |
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"Farage nil
Clegg one
At least Clegg has plenty of spare time to collect his honour now he's unemployed since his constituents in Sheffield kicked him out of his MP's job in the general election.
Farage on the other hand is still busy as an MEP until our departure from the EU, and with his radio show on LBC.
How well did Garage "I'm not a career politician, who's been a politician for almost all my working life" and his UKIP chums "defend" the UK against the nasty Europeans? According to you we have been taken for a ride by them for decades? How did Farage "52:48 will be unfinished business" do in reducing EU waste? How much did "the Syrians are coming through Turkey" Farage do in enforcing immigration rules?
Did he just squander the UKs influence so that we would get worse outcomes than would have been possible? Did he just create create failure wherever possible?
Still too cowardly to investigate your cognitive bias Centaur? "
I see you are still badgering and still being needy and desperate about wanting people to post on your thread. Honestly you come across like the needy kid in school who nobody wants to play with
As for Farage and Ukip you seem to have completely missed the point about why they were elected as the biggest party of MEP's from the UK. People who voted in those MEP elections for Ukip don't want Ukip MEP's to Co-operate with the EU, the whole point of Ukip is to get Britain out of the EU and to oppose the EU as much as possible from the inside out (which is what ukip MEP's have been doing a good job of in the European Parliament). In case it escaped your attention the clue is in the name - United Kingdom Independence Party. As someone who wants out of the EU and voted for ukip in those MEP elections I'm very happy with the performance of those ukip MEP's since they were elected. Ukip has achieved it's goal and we are now in the process of leaving the EU. A very successful outcome for a party which was formed to get the UK out of the EU has done what it set out to do. |
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In all honesty it is a bit of an unfair comparison, Clegg whether one likes him or agreed with his politics was elected 3 times as an MP and also twice? as an MEP..
Farage failed to be elected to Westminster, was it 7 times?
maybe a better comparison for Farage would be Screaming Lord Sutch..? |
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When you say very successful is that like having no representation in parliament? Despite saying they wanted parliamentary sovereignty? Then demanding no parliamentary sovereignty?
I know you will struggle with that, you have locked yourself into a no win situation ( bit like Trump being unable to get cross party cooperation). |
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Poor old Cleggy had the bollocks to support doing something for the greater good of the country knowing the price for doing so would probably end his political career
There isn't many people you could say the same about, and no, I'm not a Lib Dem either. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Farage nil
Clegg one
At least Clegg has plenty of spare time to collect his honour now he's unemployed since his constituents in Sheffield kicked him out of his MP's job in the general election.
Farage on the other hand is still busy as an MEP until our departure from the EU, and with his radio show on LBC.
How well did Garage "I'm not a career politician, who's been a politician for almost all my working life" and his UKIP chums "defend" the UK against the nasty Europeans? According to you we have been taken for a ride by them for decades? How did Farage "52:48 will be unfinished business" do in reducing EU waste? How much did "the Syrians are coming through Turkey" Farage do in enforcing immigration rules?
Did he just squander the UKs influence so that we would get worse outcomes than would have been possible? Did he just create create failure wherever possible?
Still too cowardly to investigate your cognitive bias Centaur?
I see you are still badgering and still being needy and desperate about wanting people to post on your thread. Honestly you come across like the needy kid in school who nobody wants to play with
As for Farage and Ukip you seem to have completely missed the point about why they were elected as the biggest party of MEP's from the UK. People who voted in those MEP elections for Ukip don't want Ukip MEP's to Co-operate with the EU, the whole point of Ukip is to get Britain out of the EU and to oppose the EU as much as possible from the inside out (which is what ukip MEP's have been doing a good job of in the European Parliament). In case it escaped your attention the clue is in the name - United Kingdom Independence Party. As someone who wants out of the EU and voted for ukip in those MEP elections I'm very happy with the performance of those ukip MEP's since they were elected. Ukip has achieved it's goal and we are now in the process of leaving the EU. A very successful outcome for a party which was formed to get the UK out of the EU has done what it set out to do. "
Really? I'd say it made you look evasive and cowardly. Again.
I'm calling you out, and you're running...or are you feeling bullied? If it's the latter, I apologise. Delicate little flower |
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"Farage nil
Clegg one
At least Clegg has plenty of spare time to collect his honour now he's unemployed since his constituents in Sheffield kicked him out of his MP's job in the general election.
Farage on the other hand is still busy as an MEP until our departure from the EU, and with his radio show on LBC.
How well did Garage "I'm not a career politician, who's been a politician for almost all my working life" and his UKIP chums "defend" the UK against the nasty Europeans? According to you we have been taken for a ride by them for decades? How did Farage "52:48 will be unfinished business" do in reducing EU waste? How much did "the Syrians are coming through Turkey" Farage do in enforcing immigration rules?
Did he just squander the UKs influence so that we would get worse outcomes than would have been possible? Did he just create create failure wherever possible?
Still too cowardly to investigate your cognitive bias Centaur?
I see you are still badgering and still being needy and desperate about wanting people to post on your thread. Honestly you come across like the needy kid in school who nobody wants to play with
As for Farage and Ukip you seem to have completely missed the point about why they were elected as the biggest party of MEP's from the UK. People who voted in those MEP elections for Ukip don't want Ukip MEP's to Co-operate with the EU, the whole point of Ukip is to get Britain out of the EU and to oppose the EU as much as possible from the inside out (which is what ukip MEP's have been doing a good job of in the European Parliament). In case it escaped your attention the clue is in the name - United Kingdom Independence Party. As someone who wants out of the EU and voted for ukip in those MEP elections I'm very happy with the performance of those ukip MEP's since they were elected. Ukip has achieved it's goal and we are now in the process of leaving the EU. A very successful outcome for a party which was formed to get the UK out of the EU has done what it set out to do. "
Okay, tell you what, he gets paid for being a disruptive pillock - not even for suggesting opposing ideas and giving workable alternatives, and those who all vote for UKIP allegedly, as a collective, all wanted him to do so, I suggest they all get changed the bill for his pension.
Let them fund the habits and retirement of an employee who actually did nothing certain, nothing of any guarantee to help people.
Oh but that wouldn't take into account protest voters...maybe we should charge the party faithful? |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"In all honesty it is a bit of an unfair comparison, Clegg whether one likes him or agreed with his politics was elected 3 times as an MP and also twice? as an MEP..
Farage failed to be elected to Westminster, was it 7 times?
maybe a better comparison for Farage would be Screaming Lord Sutch..?"
Screaming Lord Sutch actively campaigned for,
Lowering the voting age from 21 to 18
24 hour licensing
Abolition of dog licenses
Legalising commercial radio
Pet passports
Abolishing the 11-plus exam
Pedestrianising Carnaby Street.
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"Farage nil
Clegg one
At least Clegg has plenty of spare time to collect his honour now he's unemployed since his constituents in Sheffield kicked him out of his MP's job in the general election.
"
If Glegg gets his honour it will go down as well as Geldof's
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two pricks the nation cannot stand |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Farage nil
Clegg one
At least Clegg has plenty of spare time to collect his honour now he's unemployed since his constituents in Sheffield kicked him out of his MP's job in the general election.
If Glegg gets his honour it will go down as well as Geldof's
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two pricks the nation cannot stand"
You're right. Losers who do things for other people should be mocked 
Interesting counterpoint to the Christian heritage thread. |
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"Farage..
Busy as an Mep..
Comedy feckin gold.. "
As for Clegg - enabler of the misery of the caustic tory policies leading to many deaths.
Farage should have his pension calculated commensurate with his EU parliamentary attendance and effort - not efforts to screw as much money from them/us as taxpayers.
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Farage nil
Clegg one
At least Clegg has plenty of spare time to collect his honour now he's unemployed since his constituents in Sheffield kicked him out of his MP's job in the general election.
If Glegg gets his honour it will go down as well as Geldof's
.
two pricks the nation cannot stand"
Despite not really liking Bob Geldof very much myself, I think he is generally pretty well liked.
You may be many things, but "the voice of the people" you certainly aint. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Farage..
Busy as an Mep..
Comedy feckin gold..
As for Clegg - enabler of the misery of the caustic tory policies leading to many deaths.
Farage should have his pension calculated commensurate with his EU parliamentary attendance and effort - not efforts to screw as much money from them/us as taxpayers.
"
As the last person to deride little Cleggy couldn't provide any examples perhaps you could?
What were enacted Tory policies and what were Liberal ones?
What was the balance of power with respect to seats?
What was happening in politics and economics at the time of the election?
I cannot disagree with your opinion of the "non career politician" Farage |
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"Farage..
Busy as an Mep..
Comedy feckin gold..
As for Clegg - enabler of the misery of the caustic tory policies leading to many deaths.
Farage should have his pension calculated commensurate with his EU parliamentary attendance and effort - not efforts to screw as much money from them/us as taxpayers.
As the last person to deride little Cleggy couldn't provide any examples perhaps you could?
What were enacted Tory policies and what were Liberal ones?
What was the balance of power with respect to seats?
What was happening in politics and economics at the time of the election?
I cannot disagree with your opinion of the "non career politician" Farage "
Clegg was the key enabler of the caustic Tory policies from 2010, despite his party's blatant opposition to many such initiatives before the election. He was also the catalyst of helping to destroy his own party at the next election - they went from 58 seats down to about 8. That alone is reflective of the damage he caused - the party had offered clear choices for many voters.
Tuition fees were a complete Uturn for him. They had an election broadcast on fees that was headlined a promise. Once in power, they increased fees to £7,000 - and £9,000 for some. This guarantee that was ripped up and hell delivered to those wanting to study, shows his deficit of moral principles.
The biggest stagnation of wages for many generations was also resultant from the Libdems pursuing the coalitions imposition of hardship upon the poorer members of society, whilst enabling the better off to increase their wealth - financial inequalities soared. Some of this saw many suicides of people such as the disabled, thrown off benefits and undertaking work assessments. Tory policy that the party were complicit in implementing.
Those are but a taste of the slash and burn against the millions in this country that his party rushed to enable.
He was criticized by party grandees for rushing straight to the Conservatives to negotiate coalition, without meeting Labour who held manifesto pledges closest to theirs and thus putting the LDs in a weaker bargaining position.
I think he let his party down very badly -more so the voters who had trusted them with votes that gave the party the power to then enable implementation of very contrasting policies. He's one serious contender for helping voters to have lost trust in politicians and politics. |
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I personally have nothing but total admiration for Nick Clegg. One of the few politicians since the war who was willing to put the interests of the country before the interests of his party and, ultimately, his own career. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Farage..
Busy as an Mep..
Comedy feckin gold..
As for Clegg - enabler of the misery of the caustic tory policies leading to many deaths.
Farage should have his pension calculated commensurate with his EU parliamentary attendance and effort - not efforts to screw as much money from them/us as taxpayers.
As the last person to deride little Cleggy couldn't provide any examples perhaps you could?
What were enacted Tory policies and what were Liberal ones?
What was the balance of power with respect to seats?
What was happening in politics and economics at the time of the election?
I cannot disagree with your opinion of the "non career politician" Farage
Clegg was the key enabler of the caustic Tory policies from 2010, despite his party's blatant opposition to many such initiatives before the election. He was also the catalyst of helping to destroy his own party at the next election - they went from 58 seats down to about 8. That alone is reflective of the damage he caused - the party had offered clear choices for many voters.
Tuition fees were a complete Uturn for him. They had an election broadcast on fees that was headlined a promise. Once in power, they increased fees to £7,000 - and £9,000 for some. This guarantee that was ripped up and hell delivered to those wanting to study, shows his deficit of moral principles.
The biggest stagnation of wages for many generations was also resultant from the Libdems pursuing the coalitions imposition of hardship upon the poorer members of society, whilst enabling the better off to increase their wealth - financial inequalities soared. Some of this saw many suicides of people such as the disabled, thrown off benefits and undertaking work assessments. Tory policy that the party were complicit in implementing.
Those are but a taste of the slash and burn against the millions in this country that his party rushed to enable.
He was criticized by party grandees for rushing straight to the Conservatives to negotiate coalition, without meeting Labour who held manifesto pledges closest to theirs and thus putting the LDs in a weaker bargaining position.
I think he let his party down very badly -more so the voters who had trusted them with votes that gave the party the power to then enable implementation of very contrasting policies. He's one serious contender for helping voters to have lost trust in politicians and politics. "
..and the context of this?
It was wrong to have a discussion with the largest party?
Who was more willing to have a discussion and under what terms? Do you know?
The LibDems did a u-turn on one policy in coalition. Is the anger directed at them for this even vaguely proportional to the history of broken promises from both of the other parties when they actually had solid majorities?
On the basis of this one policy and the country in the middle of a global financial crisis should they have not formed a government with the party which left a note saying there was no money left? Do you know that Labour would have agreed?
What did the LibDems get in return with respect to major policies?
Their failure was in not taking credit for raising the basic rate of tax, trying to get funding for mental health, pushing manufacturing and technology as much as finance, maintaining early years funding and primary school meals and trying to reform the electoral system that everyone is now complaining about.
Finally bear in mind the mood of the country. When the LibDems did eventually get routed it was not in favour of Labour it was in favour of the Conservatives with their austerity policies.
Don't be so quick to condemn with 20:20 retrospect. |
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I'm a bit perturbed that somebody kicked out democratically should be getting any type of honour!... Alas that seems how the honours go for celebrity has beens |
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"Farage nil
Clegg one
At least Clegg has plenty of spare time to collect his honour now he's unemployed since his constituents in Sheffield kicked him out of his MP's job in the general election.
If Glegg gets his honour it will go down as well as Geldof's
.
two pricks the nation cannot stand
Despite not really liking Bob Geldof very much myself, I think he is generally pretty well liked.
You may be many things, but "the voice of the people" you certainly aint. "
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No I can't stand Bob geldof either, in fact I've never met anybody who likes him.
Must be the circles I run in |
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"Farage nil
Clegg one
At least Clegg has plenty of spare time to collect his honour now he's unemployed since his constituents in Sheffield kicked him out of his MP's job in the general election.
If Glegg gets his honour it will go down as well as Geldof's
.
two pricks the nation cannot stand
Despite not really liking Bob Geldof very much myself, I think he is generally pretty well liked.
You may be many things, but "the voice of the people" you certainly aint. .
No I can't stand Bob geldof either, in fact I've never met anybody who likes him.
Must be the circles I run in "
. I don't know anyone who does either |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I'm a bit perturbed that somebody kicked out democratically should be getting any type of honour!... Alas that seems how the honours go for celebrity has beens"
So you are saying that only people in power or "popular" should receive honours?
You support cronyism? |
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"Farage..
Busy as an Mep..
Comedy feckin gold..
As for Clegg - enabler of the misery of the caustic tory policies leading to many deaths.
Farage should have his pension calculated commensurate with his EU parliamentary attendance and effort - not efforts to screw as much money from them/us as taxpayers.
As the last person to deride little Cleggy couldn't provide any examples perhaps you could?
What were enacted Tory policies and what were Liberal ones?
What was the balance of power with respect to seats?
What was happening in politics and economics at the time of the election?
I cannot disagree with your opinion of the "non career politician" Farage
Clegg was the key enabler of the caustic Tory policies from 2010, despite his party's blatant opposition to many such initiatives before the election. He was also the catalyst of helping to destroy his own party at the next election - they went from 58 seats down to about 8. That alone is reflective of the damage he caused - the party had offered clear choices for many voters.
Tuition fees were a complete Uturn for him. They had an election broadcast on fees that was headlined a promise. Once in power, they increased fees to £7,000 - and £9,000 for some. This guarantee that was ripped up and hell delivered to those wanting to study, shows his deficit of moral principles.
The biggest stagnation of wages for many generations was also resultant from the Libdems pursuing the coalitions imposition of hardship upon the poorer members of society, whilst enabling the better off to increase their wealth - financial inequalities soared. Some of this saw many suicides of people such as the disabled, thrown off benefits and undertaking work assessments. Tory policy that the party were complicit in implementing.
Those are but a taste of the slash and burn against the millions in this country that his party rushed to enable.
He was criticized by party grandees for rushing straight to the Conservatives to negotiate coalition, without meeting Labour who held manifesto pledges closest to theirs and thus putting the LDs in a weaker bargaining position.
I think he let his party down very badly -more so the voters who had trusted them with votes that gave the party the power to then enable implementation of very contrasting policies. He's one serious contender for helping voters to have lost trust in politicians and politics.
..and the context of this?
It was wrong to have a discussion with the largest party?
Who was more willing to have a discussion and under what terms? Do you know?
The LibDems did a u-turn on one policy in coalition. Is the anger directed at them for this even vaguely proportional to the history of broken promises from both of the other parties when they actually had solid majorities?
On the basis of this one policy and the country in the middle of a global financial crisis should they have not formed a government with the party which left a note saying there was no money left? Do you know that Labour would have agreed?
What did the LibDems get in return with respect to major policies?
Their failure was in not taking credit for raising the basic rate of tax, trying to get funding for mental health, pushing manufacturing and technology as much as finance, maintaining early years funding and primary school meals and trying to reform the electoral system that everyone is now complaining about.
Finally bear in mind the mood of the country. When the LibDems did eventually get routed it was not in favour of Labour it was in favour of the Conservatives with their austerity policies.
Don't be so quick to condemn with 20:20 retrospect. "
It was from within his own party that the criticism comes upon their approach to gaining a coalition agreement. Whilst that coalition was dominated by the Cons, their policies were instilled upon the country as right and then enabled by the Libdems.
If that coalition had not been established, it's feasible that there would not have been the opportunity for Cameron to have called the EU referendum, in the next parliament.
The LDs were not totally silent against Con strategies but I think the tuition fees LD lies and support for the increases were immoral. The party also enabled other caustic measures, including the top down NHS reorganisation that Cameron promised not to have but initiated quickly once the coalition was formed.
It seems that the potential sacrifice of his party was acceptable, in order to take some power, whilst knowing that LD policies would not be pursued. I blame Clegg for the reduction in their sitting MPs from 58 to 8 or so, at the next election. You are right that context is all but within that context, I think it's worse than a slightly disappointing way to both lead and to have caused so much damage to thousands - if not millions - of peoples' lives. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Farage..
Busy as an Mep..
Comedy feckin gold..
As for Clegg - enabler of the misery of the caustic tory policies leading to many deaths.
Farage should have his pension calculated commensurate with his EU parliamentary attendance and effort - not efforts to screw as much money from them/us as taxpayers.
As the last person to deride little Cleggy couldn't provide any examples perhaps you could?
What were enacted Tory policies and what were Liberal ones?
What was the balance of power with respect to seats?
What was happening in politics and economics at the time of the election?
I cannot disagree with your opinion of the "non career politician" Farage
Clegg was the key enabler of the caustic Tory policies from 2010, despite his party's blatant opposition to many such initiatives before the election. He was also the catalyst of helping to destroy his own party at the next election - they went from 58 seats down to about 8. That alone is reflective of the damage he caused - the party had offered clear choices for many voters.
Tuition fees were a complete Uturn for him. They had an election broadcast on fees that was headlined a promise. Once in power, they increased fees to £7,000 - and £9,000 for some. This guarantee that was ripped up and hell delivered to those wanting to study, shows his deficit of moral principles.
The biggest stagnation of wages for many generations was also resultant from the Libdems pursuing the coalitions imposition of hardship upon the poorer members of society, whilst enabling the better off to increase their wealth - financial inequalities soared. Some of this saw many suicides of people such as the disabled, thrown off benefits and undertaking work assessments. Tory policy that the party were complicit in implementing.
Those are but a taste of the slash and burn against the millions in this country that his party rushed to enable.
He was criticized by party grandees for rushing straight to the Conservatives to negotiate coalition, without meeting Labour who held manifesto pledges closest to theirs and thus putting the LDs in a weaker bargaining position.
I think he let his party down very badly -more so the voters who had trusted them with votes that gave the party the power to then enable implementation of very contrasting policies. He's one serious contender for helping voters to have lost trust in politicians and politics.
..and the context of this?
It was wrong to have a discussion with the largest party?
Who was more willing to have a discussion and under what terms? Do you know?
The LibDems did a u-turn on one policy in coalition. Is the anger directed at them for this even vaguely proportional to the history of broken promises from both of the other parties when they actually had solid majorities?
On the basis of this one policy and the country in the middle of a global financial crisis should they have not formed a government with the party which left a note saying there was no money left? Do you know that Labour would have agreed?
What did the LibDems get in return with respect to major policies?
Their failure was in not taking credit for raising the basic rate of tax, trying to get funding for mental health, pushing manufacturing and technology as much as finance, maintaining early years funding and primary school meals and trying to reform the electoral system that everyone is now complaining about.
Finally bear in mind the mood of the country. When the LibDems did eventually get routed it was not in favour of Labour it was in favour of the Conservatives with their austerity policies.
Don't be so quick to condemn with 20:20 retrospect.
It was from within his own party that the criticism comes upon their approach to gaining a coalition agreement. Whilst that coalition was dominated by the Cons, their policies were instilled upon the country as right and then enabled by the Libdems.
If that coalition had not been established, it's feasible that there would not have been the opportunity for Cameron to have called the EU referendum, in the next parliament.
The LDs were not totally silent against Con strategies but I think the tuition fees LD lies and support for the increases were immoral. The party also enabled other caustic measures, including the top down NHS reorganisation that Cameron promised not to have but initiated quickly once the coalition was formed.
It seems that the potential sacrifice of his party was acceptable, in order to take some power, whilst knowing that LD policies would not be pursued. I blame Clegg for the reduction in their sitting MPs from 58 to 8 or so, at the next election. You are right that context is all but within that context, I think it's worse than a slightly disappointing way to both lead and to have caused so much damage to thousands - if not millions - of peoples' lives. "
You didn't actually address the context or the fact that the LibDem losses were to the Conservatives not Labour.
Also, why is the LD surrender of one policy (in a coalition) worse than the scores of policy reversals by the other two main parties? Why are they held to a higher standard and punished for not attaining it?
The implication is that the British people wanted more of what the Conservatives were selling.
It's a democratic system so out fault not his. |
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When clegg is berated for allowing Cameron to make political u-turns you know he was in a no win situation. The alternative is to keep at arms length ... which risks bigger policies coming in.
After all, we’re seeing a government without a majority table scary bills.
My criticism is he probably held some changes more precious than his (floating) electorate while sacrificing other policies too easily. I suspect, given his time again, he may offered a different negotiation position. |
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I think there are probably enough strong beliefs about him and the LD partys actions, as well as a raft of uncertainty over what might have occurred in different circumstances, that we'll all continue to ponder things viewed from a different perspective.
It is great that we can discuss these things with people we respect and who have invaluable insight. |
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"Farage..
Busy as an Mep..
Comedy feckin gold..
As for Clegg - enabler of the misery of the caustic tory policies leading to many deaths.
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Clegg hadn't a backbone to stand upto cameron.
He was just in there for the prestige of deputy pm and sold out his party, principles and voters. Horrible little man! |
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"I'm a bit perturbed that somebody kicked out democratically should be getting any type of honour!... Alas that seems how the honours go for celebrity has beens
So you are saying that only people in power or "popular" should receive honours?
You support cronyism?"
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Not particularly no.
Clegg was neither a long term MP or done anything of merit though and was deselected by his own constitute.... He's actually a perfect example of cronyism, somebody with little success in his own rights but connected well enough for his grasp to be bigger than his reach |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"I'm a bit perturbed that somebody kicked out democratically should be getting any type of honour!... Alas that seems how the honours go for celebrity has beens
So you are saying that only people in power or "popular" should receive honours?
You support cronyism?.
Not particularly no.
Clegg was neither a long term MP or done anything of merit though and was deselected by his own constitute.... He's actually a perfect example of cronyism, somebody with little success in his own rights but connected well enough for his grasp to be bigger than his reach"
An MEP from 1999 and an MP from 2005 to 2015.
You might need to give me your definition of long term.
If you just don't like him say so, but why make assertions without backing? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Farage..
Busy as an Mep..
Comedy feckin gold..
As for Clegg - enabler of the misery of the caustic tory policies leading to many deaths.
Clegg hadn't a backbone to stand upto cameron.
He was just in there for the prestige of deputy pm and sold out his party, principles and voters. Horrible little man! "
Just to balance this out, what LD promises were delivered during that Parliament? |
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"I'm a bit perturbed that somebody kicked out democratically should be getting any type of honour!... Alas that seems how the honours go for celebrity has beens
So you are saying that only people in power or "popular" should receive honours?
You support cronyism?.
Not particularly no.
Clegg was neither a long term MP or done anything of merit though and was deselected by his own constitute.... He's actually a perfect example of cronyism, somebody with little success in his own rights but connected well enough for his grasp to be bigger than his reach
An MEP from 1999 and an MP from 2005 to 2015.
You might need to give me your definition of long term.
If you just don't like him say so, but why make assertions without backing?"
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Ten years?
I don't call that anything like longevity, he's a public servant and a failed one at that, I just don't think he has merit for an honour |
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"Farage..
Busy as an Mep..
Comedy feckin gold..
As for Clegg - enabler of the misery of the caustic tory policies leading to many deaths.
Clegg hadn't a backbone to stand upto cameron.
He was just in there for the prestige of deputy pm and sold out his party, principles and voters. Horrible little man!
Just to balance this out, what LD promises were delivered during that Parliament?"
Good point! Letting the bastard tories into no 10 and unleashing their bastadry onto the poor, disabled and vulnerable and being Cameron's little puppet overshadows anything he did, if anything good that is |
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By *uxinteriorMan
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"Farage nil
Clegg one
At least Clegg has plenty of spare time to collect his honour now he's unemployed since his constituents in Sheffield kicked him out of his MP's job in the general election.
If Glegg gets his honour it will go down as well as Geldof's
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two pricks the nation cannot stand"
Clegg of the "there will never be a European army"
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Farage..
Busy as an Mep..
Comedy feckin gold..
As for Clegg - enabler of the misery of the caustic tory policies leading to many deaths.
Clegg hadn't a backbone to stand upto cameron.
He was just in there for the prestige of deputy pm and sold out his party, principles and voters. Horrible little man!
Just to balance this out, what LD promises were delivered during that Parliament?
Good point! Letting the bastard tories into no 10 and unleashing their bastadry onto the poor, disabled and vulnerable and being Cameron's little puppet overshadows anything he did, if anything good that is"
...and the alternative in the midst of a global financial crisis was?
Whatever you or I might think about the Tories, they were given a majority in the following election. |
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"Farage..
Busy as an Mep..
Comedy feckin gold..
As for Clegg - enabler of the misery of the caustic tory policies leading to many deaths.
Clegg hadn't a backbone to stand upto cameron.
He was just in there for the prestige of deputy pm and sold out his party, principles and voters. Horrible little man!
Just to balance this out, what LD promises were delivered during that Parliament?
Good point! Letting the bastard tories into no 10 and unleashing their bastadry onto the poor, disabled and vulnerable and being Cameron's little puppet overshadows anything he did, if anything good that is
...and the alternative in the midst of a global financial crisis was?
Whatever you or I might think about the Tories, they were given a majority in the 4following election."
Not quite, they managed to find a billion quid from the magic money tree after failing to get a majority, (after calamity clegg bombed) to buy another term in office.
No money for welfare etc but hey, we the taxpayer have paid for them to stay in office.! |
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"Farage..
Busy as an Mep..
Comedy feckin gold..
As for Clegg - enabler of the misery of the caustic tory policies leading to many deaths.
Clegg hadn't a backbone to stand upto cameron.
He was just in there for the prestige of deputy pm and sold out his party, principles and voters. Horrible little man!
Just to balance this out, what LD promises were delivered during that Parliament?
Good point! Letting the bastard tories into no 10 and unleashing their bastadry onto the poor, disabled and vulnerable and being Cameron's little puppet overshadows anything he did, if anything good that is
...and the alternative in the midst of a global financial crisis was?
Whatever you or I might think about the Tories, they were given a majority in the 4following election.
Not quite, they managed to find a billion quid from the magic money tree after failing to get a majority, (after calamity clegg bombed) to buy another term in office.
No money for welfare etc but hey, we the taxpayer have paid for them to stay in office.! "
The government that followed the Tory/Lib dem coalition was David Cameron's Tory government elected in 2015 with a majority. The Tories had that majority until 2017 when Theresa May called a snap general election. Tories won again in 2017 now with a working majority with the DUP. |
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"Farage..
Busy as an Mep..
Comedy feckin gold..
As for Clegg - enabler of the misery of the caustic tory policies leading to many deaths.
Clegg hadn't a backbone to stand upto cameron.
He was just in there for the prestige of deputy pm and sold out his party, principles and voters. Horrible little man!
Just to balance this out, what LD promises were delivered during that Parliament?
Good point! Letting the bastard tories into no 10 and unleashing their bastadry onto the poor, disabled and vulnerable and being Cameron's little puppet overshadows anything he did, if anything good that is
...and the alternative in the midst of a global financial crisis was?
Whatever you or I might think about the Tories, they were given a majority in the 4following election.
Not quite, they managed to find a billion quid from the magic money tree after failing to get a majority, (after calamity clegg bombed) to buy another term in office.
No money for welfare etc but hey, we the taxpayer have paid for them to stay in office.!
The government that followed the Tory/Lib dem coalition was David Cameron's Tory government elected in 2015 with a majority. The Tories had that majority until 2017 when Theresa May called a snap general election. Tories won again in 2017 now with a working majority with the DUP. "
It just shows how you can manipulate facts to your own advantage. You can spin as much as you like BUT the Tories had a majority government and lost seats at the election to form a MINORITY government. So how you can put a positive spin on the fact you have less than you started is somewhat foolish. |
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By *uxinteriorMan
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The thread has obviously gone off track.
The new years honours list.
There to reward people of outstanding contribution, bit like employee of the month on a much grander scale! Trouble with the new years honours list is it will please and annoy the hell out of a lot of people. As demonstrated here.
If you give an award to one group of people why not to others.
I look forward to the future awards. Certainly causes controversial issues.
So in that case Mr Farage will certainly be considered for an award because he spent a lot of his life championing a cause. Just as other outspoken politicians have championed their causes.
Awards are for everyone, like it or loathe it, that's life! |
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