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"Is the first option a real option ? " Yes why wouldnt it be ? Do you have any evidence to say that an independent Scotland wouldnt meet the criteria to be in the EU ? | |||
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"It would fail the financial entry tests for a start." Ah right so the countries smaller than Scotland are fine yet you think an Independent Scotland would fail that we need the big broad shoulders of the UK that have a government that are fucking up right left and centre failing to meet any targets and adding and borrowing to the UK debt lol | |||
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"Is the first option a real option ? Yes why wouldnt it be ? Do you have any evidence to say that an independent Scotland wouldnt meet the criteria to be in the EU ? " i don’t have anything to say it will either. I just recall This being a bone of contention last time when the uk was still in the Eu. Feels like it will be more difficult this time around. Eg using a currency of a non Eu country etc. And before you bite I have I have no axe to grind. Just interested. | |||
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"Scotland in the UK and out of the EU - 51% Ohhh you can feel the rage of the hardcore unionists " Why would unionist rage over Scotland voting to stay in the UK and leave the EU? | |||
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"It’s an opinion poll and nothing more. How many times do you see them and they turn out way off the mark. It is totally dependent on the people who are asked and where they come from. " Yes i agree polls are opinions and nothing more but for some on here they love to take any polls seriously that say Scotland diesnt want independence but when it shows its alot closer than some think then no no that poll cant be true because its a poll from Wings lol I have always said you want the true figure that Scotland should have an independence referendum and lets truly see if people still want to stay in the UK or would rather see Scotland independent and in the EU as an equal partner in the EU bloc Democracy is not an event and people are allowed to change their minds | |||
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"Scotland in the UK and out of the EU - 51% Ohhh you can feel the rage of the hardcore unionists Why would unionist rage over Scotland voting to stay in the UK and leave the EU?" Really you think 49% to 51% is not very close ? Still got ages to swing more votes across to yes and hell thats only a sample of 5 million Scots I would be bricking it if i were a unionist ah well you have to put all your hope on the Tories delivering a good brexit deal that will beniefit all of the UK and not leave Scotland worse off | |||
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"Scotland in the UK and out of the EU - 51% Ohhh you can feel the rage of the hardcore unionists Why would unionist rage over Scotland voting to stay in the UK and leave the EU? Really you think 49% to 51% is not very close ? Still got ages to swing more votes across to yes and hell thats only a sample of 5 million Scots I would be bricking it if i were a unionist ah well you have to put all your hope on the Tories delivering a good brexit deal that will beniefit all of the UK and not leave Scotland worse off " I understand that when the abstentions are taken into account it is not a majority either. But the point is more voted to stay in the UK than voted to leave the UK. I would suggest that the wailing and gnashing of teeth should be coming from the pro independence and remaining in the EU camp. But then I attempt to be objective in my politics rather than tribal. | |||
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"Scotland in the UK and out of the EU - 51% Ohhh you can feel the rage of the hardcore unionists Why would unionist rage over Scotland voting to stay in the UK and leave the EU? Really you think 49% to 51% is not very close ? Still got ages to swing more votes across to yes and hell thats only a sample of 5 million Scots I would be bricking it if i were a unionist ah well you have to put all your hope on the Tories delivering a good brexit deal that will beniefit all of the UK and not leave Scotland worse off I understand that when the abstentions are taken into account it is not a majority either. But the point is more voted to stay in the UK than voted to leave the UK. I would suggest that the wailing and gnashing of teeth should be coming from the pro independence and remaining in the EU camp. But then I attempt to be objective in my politics rather than tribal." Final brexit deal to come round about Oct 2018 still plenty if time to people to change their minds agree in that ? | |||
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"Final brexit deal to come round about Oct 2018 still plenty if time to people to change their minds agree in that ? " So just to be clear the Scottish Nationalist thinks that the Unionists should be up in arms for winning a vote while not being able to concede that even when faced with the disaster that has been the brexit negotiations so far the nationalists could not even scrape over the low hurdle of gaining 50%+1 of votes cast let alone 50+1 of the total population eligible to vote. I think you do protest too much. 
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"It would fail the financial entry tests for a start." 2nd point, Spain has said they would use their veto in the European Parliament to block any attempt by an independent Scotland to join the EU. | |||
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"Would like to see some polls from the less well off areas where the vote for independence is very high,also there are lots of groups for independence from all walks of life its just not snp personally if there was a vote next year i think independence would overwhelmingly win just my opinion " Yeah i cant understand that crap either when people seem to think everyone that believes in Scottish independence must only be SNP supporters / voters lol I think people need to go see that poll as it clear status 46% of labour voters would back independence if it meant staying in the EU | |||
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"It would fail the financial entry tests for a start. 2nd point, Spain has said they would use their veto in the European Parliament to block any attempt by an independent Scotland to join the EU. " Ah the old Spain veto myth on An independent Scotland yawn! Jesus ! Lol Right think about it really think about it Say Scotland have a legally binding referendum like the 2014 one which we have a mandate for and say the majority voted dor indpendence ok That is the will of the Scottish people saying yes to independence aee people honestly going to sit there and say Spain will actively try to veto a independent country that democratic voted for its independence to join the EU Lmao That would be fucking madness | |||
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"Would like to see some polls from the less well off areas where the vote for independence is very high,also there are lots of groups for independence from all walks of life its just not snp personally if there was a vote next year i think independence would overwhelmingly win just my opinion Yeah i cant understand that crap either when people seem to think everyone that believes in Scottish independence must only be SNP supporters / voters lol I think people need to go see that poll as it clear status 46% of labour voters would back independence if it meant staying in the EU " Yea a lot of scots on here like making it all about snp for independence when we have labour libs and tories who support it then you have the celtic and rangers group for indy and lots of others from all walks of life | |||
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"It would fail the financial entry tests for a start. 2nd point, Spain has said they would use their veto in the European Parliament to block any attempt by an independent Scotland to join the EU. " So who with any authority said that | |||
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"It would fail the financial entry tests for a start. 2nd point, Spain has said they would use their veto in the European Parliament to block any attempt by an independent Scotland to join the EU. Ah the old Spain veto myth on An independent Scotland yawn! Jesus ! Lol Right think about it really think about it Say Scotland have a legally binding referendum like the 2014 one which we have a mandate for and say the majority voted dor indpendence ok That is the will of the Scottish people saying yes to independence aee people honestly going to sit there and say Spain will actively try to veto a independent country that democratic voted for its independence to join the EU Lmao That would be fucking madness " Considering the difficulty Spain is currently experiencing with Catalonia and the Spanish government in Madrid is bricking it that Catalonia will break away I think the likelihood of Spain blocking an independent Scotland joining the EU is even more strong now than it ever was. Spain would make an example out of Scotland to prove a point to Catalonia. | |||
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"It would fail the financial entry tests for a start. 2nd point, Spain has said they would use their veto in the European Parliament to block any attempt by an independent Scotland to join the EU. Ah the old Spain veto myth on An independent Scotland yawn! Jesus ! Lol Right think about it really think about it Say Scotland have a legally binding referendum like the 2014 one which we have a mandate for and say the majority voted dor indpendence ok That is the will of the Scottish people saying yes to independence aee people honestly going to sit there and say Spain will actively try to veto a independent country that democratic voted for its independence to join the EU Lmao That would be fucking madness " Why ? Plenty of countries which are independent aren’t in the Eu. It will be a political pickle but I don’t see the madness ... what’s the point of a veto otherwise? | |||
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"It would fail the financial entry tests for a start. 2nd point, Spain has said they would use their veto in the European Parliament to block any attempt by an independent Scotland to join the EU. So who with any authority said that " A high ranking member of the Spanish government said it on BBC Newsnight during the Scottish Indy ref. | |||
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"Centaur that really comes across like your saying the only reason Spain would veto an independent Scotland is to punish Scotland for giving its support to Catalonia So to confirm Centaur is that the only reason you think Spain would veto an independent being in the EU ? I notice you dont seem to be sayin any of the other 26 countries in the EU would veto Scotland " It doesn't matter what the other 26 do, it only takes one country to use its veto to block it. | |||
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"It would fail the financial entry tests for a start. 2nd point, Spain has said they would use their veto in the European Parliament to block any attempt by an independent Scotland to join the EU. Ah the old Spain veto myth on An independent Scotland yawn! Jesus ! Lol Right think about it really think about it Say Scotland have a legally binding referendum like the 2014 one which we have a mandate for and say the majority voted dor indpendence ok That is the will of the Scottish people saying yes to independence aee people honestly going to sit there and say Spain will actively try to veto a independent country that democratic voted for its independence to join the EU Lmao That would be fucking madness Why ? Plenty of countries which are independent aren’t in the Eu. It will be a political pickle but I don’t see the madness ... what’s the point of a veto otherwise?" do those countries that want in the EU meet the criteria to join the EU ? Like i said if Scotland democratly voted YES to independence and meet the criteria why would you veto Scotland joining the EU ? The only crap ive got so far is Spain veto an independent Scotland being in the EU to pubish Scotland for supporting Catalonia not very wise | |||
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"Centaur that really comes across like your saying the only reason Spain would veto an independent Scotland is to punish Scotland for giving its support to Catalonia So to confirm Centaur is that the only reason you think Spain would veto an independent being in the EU ? I notice you dont seem to be sayin any of the other 26 countries in the EU would veto Scotland It doesn't matter what the other 26 do, it only takes one country to use its veto to block it. " Ok so Centaur are you really saying Spain would veto Scotland being in the EU because of the whole Catalonia issue ? Lmao!!!!! Would that not be a piss poor excuse ? If Scotland meet the criteria whats the problem with an independence Scotland being in the EU ? | |||
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"It would fail the financial entry tests for a start. 2nd point, Spain has said they would use their veto in the European Parliament to block any attempt by an independent Scotland to join the EU. So who with any authority said that A high ranking member of the Spanish government said it on BBC Newsnight during the Scottish Indy ref. " A lot of high ranking ppl said a lot during scots indy ref the majority of what was said has turned out to be lies and remember try not to beleive everything you here or read from pro union ppl | |||
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"Would like to see some polls from the less well off areas where the vote for independence is very high,also there are lots of groups for independence from all walks of life its just not snp personally if there was a vote next year i think independence would overwhelmingly win just my opinion " What would "overwhelmingly" be in your opinion? | |||
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"Scotland in the UK and out of the EU - 51% Ohhh you can feel the rage of the hardcore unionists Why would unionist rage over Scotland voting to stay in the UK and leave the EU? Really you think 49% to 51% is not very close ? Still got ages to swing more votes across to yes and hell thats only a sample of 5 million Scots I would be bricking it if i were a unionist ah well you have to put all your hope on the Tories delivering a good brexit deal that will beniefit all of the UK and not leave Scotland worse off I understand that when the abstentions are taken into account it is not a majority either. But the point is more voted to stay in the UK than voted to leave the UK. I would suggest that the wailing and gnashing of teeth should be coming from the pro independence and remaining in the EU camp. But then I attempt to be objective in my politics rather than tribal. Final brexit deal to come round about Oct 2018 still plenty if time to people to change their minds agree in that ? " Plenty of time for people to change their mind, either way. But, if you don't want Scotland to end up like another Northern Ireland, pulling Scotland out of the UK on anything close to a 50-50 vote would be a disaster. | |||
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"It would fail the financial entry tests for a start. 2nd point, Spain has said they would use their veto in the European Parliament to block any attempt by an independent Scotland to join the EU. Ah the old Spain veto myth on An independent Scotland yawn! Jesus ! Lol Right think about it really think about it Say Scotland have a legally binding referendum like the 2014 one which we have a mandate for and say the majority voted dor indpendence ok That is the will of the Scottish people saying yes to independence aee people honestly going to sit there and say Spain will actively try to veto a independent country that democratic voted for its independence to join the EU Lmao That would be fucking madness " I think it depends very much on how Spain sees an independent Scotland effecting it's own independence movements in Catalonia and the Basque country. If they believe that an independent Scotland, especially one in the EU, will give succour or, worse still, active support that might harm the unity of Spain I think there is a good chance that, despite the fact that after the initial BREXIT vote Spain rode back a little from saying it would veto an independent Scotland's succession to the EU, it would still actually veto such. | |||
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"It would fail the financial entry tests for a start. 2nd point, Spain has said they would use their veto in the European Parliament to block any attempt by an independent Scotland to join the EU. Ah the old Spain veto myth on An independent Scotland yawn! Jesus ! Lol Right think about it really think about it Say Scotland have a legally binding referendum like the 2014 one which we have a mandate for and say the majority voted dor indpendence ok That is the will of the Scottish people saying yes to independence aee people honestly going to sit there and say Spain will actively try to veto a independent country that democratic voted for its independence to join the EU Lmao That would be fucking madness Considering the difficulty Spain is currently experiencing with Catalonia and the Spanish government in Madrid is bricking it that Catalonia will break away I think the likelihood of Spain blocking an independent Scotland joining the EU is even more strong now than it ever was. Spain would make an example out of Scotland to prove a point to Catalonia. " For the first time in a long time I actually think you're right. | |||
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"It would fail the financial entry tests for a start. 2nd point, Spain has said they would use their veto in the European Parliament to block any attempt by an independent Scotland to join the EU. Ah the old Spain veto myth on An independent Scotland yawn! Jesus ! Lol Right think about it really think about it Say Scotland have a legally binding referendum like the 2014 one which we have a mandate for and say the majority voted dor indpendence ok That is the will of the Scottish people saying yes to independence aee people honestly going to sit there and say Spain will actively try to veto a independent country that democratic voted for its independence to join the EU Lmao That would be fucking madness Why ? Plenty of countries which are independent aren’t in the Eu. It will be a political pickle but I don’t see the madness ... what’s the point of a veto otherwise? do those countries that want in the EU meet the criteria to join the EU ? Like i said if Scotland democratly voted YES to independence and meet the criteria why would you veto Scotland joining the EU ? The only crap ive got so far is Spain veto an independent Scotland being in the EU to pubish Scotland for supporting Catalonia not very wise " Why's it not wise? I don't necessarily think Spain would be right to do such but, from the point if view of Spain wanting to keep the unity of the Spanish state, it seems perfectly logical and wise. | |||
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"Would like to see some polls from the less well off areas where the vote for independence is very high,also there are lots of groups for independence from all walks of life its just not snp personally if there was a vote next year i think independence would overwhelmingly win just my opinion What would "overwhelmingly" be in your opinion?" Probably 52% which, like me, they don't think so overwhelming in the UK/EU referendum. | |||
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"The more May and the government fuck up the less faith any one would have in the UK , the more people in Scotland want to get away from them , It's the government and the fuck up of a brexit people will want out of , and if that means scotland leaving the uk then I think Scotland will vote to go ,union of loyalty to a crown won't come into the equation " I think, in the long-term, there maybe an argument for this but, in the short-term, the economic and political chaos that BREXIT seems be turning out to be is more likely to put people off from voting to break up the UK and the far worse political and economic chaos that that is likely to bring. | |||
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The question used in this laughable "poll" was incredibly loaded and based on a false premise that EU membership was guaranteed.
Its an impossibility that the scenario in the question could be a realistic option.
But the nats love the shit that the fake reverend serves up to them.
He certainly knows his audience, and makes a good living exploiting their gullibility. | |||
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"It would fail the financial entry tests for a start. 2nd point, Spain has said they would use their veto in the European Parliament to block any attempt by an independent Scotland to join the EU. Ah the old Spain veto myth on An independent Scotland yawn! Jesus ! Lol Right think about it really think about it Say Scotland have a legally binding referendum like the 2014 one which we have a mandate for and say the majority voted dor indpendence ok That is the will of the Scottish people saying yes to independence aee people honestly going to sit there and say Spain will actively try to veto a independent country that democratic voted for its independence to join the EU Lmao That would be fucking madness Why ? Plenty of countries which are independent aren’t in the Eu. It will be a political pickle but I don’t see the madness ... what’s the point of a veto otherwise? do those countries that want in the EU meet the criteria to join the EU ? Like i said if Scotland democratly voted YES to independence and meet the criteria why would you veto Scotland joining the EU ? The only crap ive got so far is Spain veto an independent Scotland being in the EU to pubish Scotland for supporting Catalonia not very wise Why's it not wise? I don't necessarily think Spain would be right to do such but, from the point if view of Spain wanting to keep the unity of the Spanish state, it seems perfectly logical and wise." Why ? So here is people on here actually being serious saying its perfectly fine if Scotland did vote Yes to independence and for Spain to veto a democratic vote on Scottish independence and to be in the EU just to damn well punish Scotland because of whats going on in Spain and Catalonia World has went mental if people honestly thibk thats a good excuse to veto an independent country who meet the criteria to be in the EU Anyway the Spain veto is a myth you were all told the veto Spain have is with Gibralter not Scotland nice try though but its myth that has been debunked lol | |||
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"In the midst of all this Brexit turmoil, the separatists still couldnt muster up a majority.
The question used in this laughable "poll" was incredibly loaded and based on a false premise that EU membership was guaranteed.
Its an impossibility that the scenario in the question could be a realistic option.
But the nats love the shit that the fake reverend serves up to them.
He certainly knows his audience, and makes a good living exploiting their gullibility."Last i checked 49% to 51% is very close and no campaign has even started on Scottish independence and we all still dont know the final brexit deal like i said plenty of time for people to change their minds It must stick in unionists craws that the support for independence has not been killed off and is on the rise dont believe me then people are more than welcome to go to youtube and type in "Journey to yes" and try and tell me those people have no right to change their minds on independence Also its also good to see even 46% of Labour voters would back independence if it meant Scotland staying in the EU Ah but i suppose for unionists this poll is not be be believed its all lies but all the other polls are gospel that show independence has been killed off lmao | |||
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The most dishonest poll question I,ve ever seen, and you can't see it.
The fact you celebrate it, shows how desperate you really are. | |||
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"Wings over Scotland The Daily Mail in a kilt. Unbelievable nonsense from a blogger who loves Scotland that much he lives in Bath." Knew it lol look past Wings and actually read the poll do you not think its worrying to see that 49% want an independent Scotland in the EU that is very close and no campaign started and we dont know the final brexit deal is not known yet Also if people really have a problem with Wings over Scotland then why do unionists not ignore him ? Now i think Stu can be abit of a dick at times no question on that but unionists seem rattled with what he puts up I mean i couldnt give a damn what Scotland in the union post as i ignore all there shite | |||
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"OP, all you are doing is proving that the majority of Scots want to remain in the UK. " 49% to 51% no independence campaign and dont kbow the final brexit deal and you think that is bad for the independence movement ? Lol I thought independence for Scotland has been killed off ? Not what am seeing and no campaign has started no bad starting place considering before 2014 the polls were showing only 28% in favour of independence The poll to shows something interesting that 46% labour voters would back independence if it meant Scotland being in the EU | |||
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"You check nothing. The result is based on an impossibility of guaranteed EU membership. The survey question is based on false premise, the result is equally false. Still you lose.
The most dishonest poll question I,ve ever seen, and you can't see it.
The fact you celebrate it, shows how desperate you really are. "..  | |||
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"OP, all you are doing is proving that the majority of Scots want to remain in the UK. 49% to 51% no independence campaign and dont kbow the final brexit deal and you think that is bad for the independence movement ? Lol I thought independence for Scotland has been killed off ? Not what am seeing and no campaign has started no bad starting place considering before 2014 the polls were showing only 28% in favour of independence The poll to shows something interesting that 46% labour voters would back independence if it meant Scotland being in the EU " I'm glad you are happy the majority of Scots want to remain in the UK | |||
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"Be careful with your sentence construction kinky. Spain may veto Eu membership. Your making it sound like it will veto independence. And because people are saying this doesn’t mean they believe it is right. Just believe Ig could happen. Do you really think it couldn’t happen, given the Catalan situation, regardless of if you think it is wrong or unfair ? " No Spain wont veto an independent Scotland Like i keep saying if Scotland democratically votes Yes to independence in a legally binding referendum and also meets the criteria to be in the EU then Spain would be crazy to try and veto it. The reason people on here are giving by saying Spain may veto an independent Scitland to punish Scotland because of the whole Catalan / Spain issue and no other reason is madness If you were to say Spain may veto an independent Scotland because they dont meet the criteria to be in the EU that would be a reason but to be that damn petty to veto Scotland over Catalonia wanting independence is madness Anyway again you were all told there is no Spanish veto on an independent Scotland the Spain veto is on Gibralter its time people start listening as look where the Irish border got you the EU were clear from day one that has to be solved before the UK can move on to trade talks but it seemed like people had their fingers in ears again so whats it gonna take this time to say no Spain veto it was a myth from unionists | |||
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"Why is it madness ? Unfair maybe. But if they see it as protecting their own state I can see why they would do it ... And now we’re on borders .... Scotland would need to sort that out if they chose independence before the Eu would allow them to join. And no Irish Sea to help ... It’s not going to be as simple as we want it so we will get it. Just like brexit. And the unionists will play on this. Which will possibly mean anybody who is on the cusp will vote stay. Assuming they believe better the devil you know ... IMO the polls would need to be more like 60 40 leave before there is a chance an actual ref will give you success as brexit shows just how bad leaping into the unknown can be ... " Again it would be madness because the reason you and others are giving it piss poor so you think Spain may veto an independent Scotland being in the EU all because of the Catalan / Spain issue that petty and would only be because they want to punish Scotland which would sick as fuck And again there is no Spanish veto on an independent Scotland being in the EU you were told this it was all made up bullshit from unionists to put fear into people but the EU made it clear the Spanish veto is with Gibralter lol | |||
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"Ps I’m not saying they are doing it to punish Scotland. Just Scotland would be collateral damage from their own political battles. Right or wrong I can see this as being believable. I’m struggling to see why you can’t see it being a possibility regardless of if it’s fair or not. " Ok lets try this did the EU confirm there is no Spanish veto on an independent Scotland being in the EU and the Spanish veto is with Gibralter YES or NO ? | |||
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"Ps I’m not saying they are doing it to punish Scotland. Just Scotland would be collateral damage from their own political battles. Right or wrong I can see this as being believable. I’m struggling to see why you can’t see it being a possibility regardless of if it’s fair or not. Ok lets try this did the EU confirm there is no Spanish veto on an independent Scotland being in the EU and the Spanish veto is with Gibralter YES or NO ? " No.
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"Ps I’m not saying they are doing it to punish Scotland. Just Scotland would be collateral damage from their own political battles. Right or wrong I can see this as being believable. I’m struggling to see why you can’t see it being a possibility regardless of if it’s fair or not. Ok lets try this did the EU confirm there is no Spanish veto on an independent Scotland being in the EU and the Spanish veto is with Gibralter YES or NO ? " i haven’t seen this so can’t answer. Please provide a source if YES. | |||
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"Ps I’m not saying they are doing it to punish Scotland. Just Scotland would be collateral damage from their own political battles. Right or wrong I can see this as being believable. I’m struggling to see why you can’t see it being a possibility regardless of if it’s fair or not. Ok lets try this did the EU confirm there is no Spanish veto on an independent Scotland being in the EU and the Spanish veto is with Gibralter YES or NO ? i haven’t seen this so can’t answer. Please provide a source if YES. " . https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/spain-drops-plan-to-impose-veto-if-scotland-tries-to-join-eu https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/politics/spain-not-veto-independent-scotland-joining-eu-says-alfonso-dastis/amp/ | |||
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"So Spain has the veto. But may not use it. Although won’t make life easy. Not quite what you were saying but maybe it’s what you meant. " Kinky proves themselves wrong once again! | |||
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"So Spain has the veto. But may not use it. Although won’t make life easy. Not quite what you were saying but maybe it’s what you meant. " May not use it ? How about the MEP from the ruling party in Spain that is Rajoy party btw telling you Spain will NOT veto an independent Scotland being in the EU Like i keep on saying they know it would be crazy for Spain to veto an independent Scotland that democratically voted YES to independence and meet all criteria to be in the EU Unionists are hanging on to this petty shite about the Spain veto myth as they have nothing else and is piss poor to use the excuse that Spain would veto Scotland all because of the Catalan / Spain issue its piss poor and weak as hell to use that crap so its now ok to punish Scotland to join the EU because of Catalan /Spain issue lmao Now if you turned round and told me Spain may veto an independent Scotland because it may not meet the criteria to join the EU that would be a better reason but we all know you know Scotland meet the criteria so thats why unionists will live in hope for fake news to strike fear into people lol | |||
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"Of course it has a veto, all existing members states have a veto on new members joining. If anyone tells you any different, you can look them in the eye and with confidence, say that they are lying. This might help: https://europa.eu/european-union/topics/enlargement_en " Ok in your opinion what reason has Spain got to veto an independent Scotland ? Unionists are living in hope with the Spain veto crap but if you notice it's only ever Spain that unionists bring up lol So question is if Scotland democractically voted YES to Independence in a legally binding referendum like the 2014 one and also meet all criteria to being the EU why would anyone could EU member state veto Scotland ? Please no more of that sad shitty excuse about it's cause of the Catalan and Spain issue give valid reasons | |||
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"Ps I can also see Spain trying to veto for *legit* reasons ... I don’t know what they may be, but can see them thinking this may be a possibility given the change in the UKs circumstances. And while I’m not well versed in the Copenhagen criteria I imagine there may be something in it that makes it harder for a newly formed independent country to qualify. Again, I’m saying it is a possibility. That’s all. " Yes there are, like several years worth of accounts from their central bank. Scotland doesn't yet have a central bank, so that would be a major stumbling block. In order to have a central bank, they would also need a currency, which would only be temporary as a condition of them joining the EU would be accepting the Euro. | |||
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"Be careful with your sentence construction kinky. Spain may veto Eu membership. Your making it sound like it will veto independence. And because people are saying this doesn’t mean they believe it is right. Just believe Ig could happen. Do you really think it couldn’t happen, given the Catalan situation, regardless of if you think it is wrong or unfair ? No Spain wont veto an independent Scotland Like i keep saying if Scotland democratically votes Yes to independence in a legally binding referendum and also meets the criteria to be in the EU then Spain would be crazy to try and veto it. The reason people on here are giving by saying Spain may veto an independent Scitland to punish Scotland because of the whole Catalan / Spain issue and no other reason is madness If you were to say Spain may veto an independent Scotland because they dont meet the criteria to be in the EU that would be a reason but to be that damn petty to veto Scotland over Catalonia wanting independence is madness Anyway again you were all told there is no Spanish veto on an independent Scotland the Spain veto is on Gibralter its time people start listening as look where the Irish border got you the EU were clear from day one that has to be solved before the UK can move on to trade talks but it seemed like people had their fingers in ears again so whats it gonna take this time to say no Spain veto it was a myth from unionists " I think you're misunderstanding what the point of a veto is. If an independent Scotland didn't meet the entry requirements for joining the EU Spain wouldn't have to veto it. It's only if an independent Scotland actually meets the requirements to join the EU that Spain, or any other member state, could choose to veto its entry. There is no question about whether Spain could veto an independent Scotland's entry into the EU, it could. The only question is whether it would and, for the reasons I've already stated above, there is every likelihood it probably would. | |||
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"Fact check no an independent Scotland would not need to or be forced into using the Euro Sweden join the EU in the 90' and guess what still does use the euro never ever been forced to use the Euro nice try lol " So you accept that you can't use the pound, but dispute you have to join the euro? | |||
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"Fact check no an independent Scotland would not need to or be forced into using the Euro Sweden join the EU in the 90' and guess what still does use the euro never ever been forced to use the Euro nice try lol So you accept that you can't use the pound, but dispute you have to join the euro? " Oh, and the euro didn't exist when Sweden joined! | |||
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"Ps I’m not saying they are doing it to punish Scotland. Just Scotland would be collateral damage from their own political battles. Right or wrong I can see this as being believable. I’m struggling to see why you can’t see it being a possibility regardless of if it’s fair or not. Ok lets try this did the EU confirm there is no Spanish veto on an independent Scotland being in the EU and the Spanish veto is with Gibralter YES or NO ? i haven’t seen this so can’t answer. Please provide a source if YES. . https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/spain-drops-plan-to-impose-veto-if-scotland-tries-to-join-eu https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/politics/spain-not-veto-independent-scotland-joining-eu-says-alfonso-dastis/amp/ " Spain did ride back somewhat from its threat to veto an independent Scotland from joining the EU shortly after the BREXIT referendum, that's true. However that was before the Catalonian the illegal Catalonian referendum. The game has changed again since then and, if you can't see how Spain might see blocking an independent Scotland joining the EU is in its interests then you are simply blind to the reality of politics. The situation is further compounded by the totally irresponsible way in which many Scottish Nationalists have actually given moral and tacit support to the illegal way the Catalonian minority have actually gone about trying to subvert the legitimate and democratic Spanish state. | |||
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"So Spain has the veto. But may not use it. Although won’t make life easy. Not quite what you were saying but maybe it’s what you meant. May not use it ? How about the MEP from the ruling party in Spain that is Rajoy party btw telling you Spain will NOT veto an independent Scotland being in the EU Like i keep on saying they know it would be crazy for Spain to veto an independent Scotland that democratically voted YES to independence and meet all criteria to be in the EU Unionists are hanging on to this petty shite about the Spain veto myth as they have nothing else and is piss poor to use the excuse that Spain would veto Scotland all because of the Catalan / Spain issue its piss poor and weak as hell to use that crap so its now ok to punish Scotland to join the EU because of Catalan /Spain issue lmao Now if you turned round and told me Spain may veto an independent Scotland because it may not meet the criteria to join the EU that would be a better reason but we all know you know Scotland meet the criteria so thats why unionists will live in hope for fake news to strike fear into people lol" As had been said, if Scotland didn't meet the criteria to become a member of the EU Spain wouldn't have to veto it. | |||
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"Point is Sweden was never forced to use the Euro and you know it no country is been forced into using the Euro " What currency will Scotland use from its own central bank then? | |||
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"Ps I’m not saying they are doing it to punish Scotland. Just Scotland would be collateral damage from their own political battles. Right or wrong I can see this as being believable. I’m struggling to see why you can’t see it being a possibility regardless of if it’s fair or not. Ok lets try this did the EU confirm there is no Spanish veto on an independent Scotland being in the EU and the Spanish veto is with Gibralter YES or NO ? i haven’t seen this so can’t answer. Please provide a source if YES. . https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/spain-drops-plan-to-impose-veto-if-scotland-tries-to-join-eu https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/politics/spain-not-veto-independent-scotland-joining-eu-says-alfonso-dastis/amp/ Spain did ride back somewhat from its threat to veto an independent Scotland from joining the EU shortly after the BREXIT referendum, that's true. However that was before the Catalonian the illegal Catalonian referendum. The game has changed again since then and, if you can't see how Spain might see blocking an independent Scotland joining the EU is in its interests then you are simply blind to the reality of politics. The situation is further compounded by the totally irresponsible way in which many Scottish Nationalists have actually given moral and tacit support to the illegal way the Catalonian minority have actually gone about trying to subvert the legitimate and democratic Spanish state." Ah right so it's now all about punishing Scotland with the threat of a Spanish veto all because Catalonia may want to actually break away from Spain dictator ship Piss poor excuse as sick as fuck Also may I just point out something it's not just Scottish national ists that have given support to Catalonia the Welsh English Irish German Norway Finland the list goes on so please don't try and use that crap lol | |||
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"Point is Sweden was never forced to use the Euro and you know it no country is been forced into using the Euro What currency will Scotland use from its own central bank then? " That will be up to an independent Scotland They may use the pound but the way the pound is right now maybe not a good idea The point being is the UK do not own the pound nor did the USA own the dollar | |||
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"Point is Sweden was never forced to use the Euro and you know it no country is been forced into using the Euro What currency will Scotland use from its own central bank then? That will be up to an independent Scotland They may use the pound but the way the pound is right now maybe not a good idea The point being is the UK do not own the pound nor did the USA own the dollar "
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"What is most interesting is that a majority of native born Scots are in favour of independence. The white settlers who have sold a lock-up in Islington for a small fortune then re-located to Scotland to enjoy a comfortable retirement with our better health service and quality of living, unfortunately retain their loyalty to the south - over 70% vote to thwart self determination for the people of the country they are settling in. We need to apply similar voting eligibility rules for Indyref 2 as UK applied to the Brexit referendum. Without the votes of the non-integrating Britnat settlers skewing the result, Scots will again be in charge of their own affairs." So would you change the immigration rules to stop this happening in an independent Scotland? | |||
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"Christ Dom, that looks straight out of the blood and soil nationalist handbook. Native, indigenous, the us and the them. Beware the überjock! " Are lowlanders real scots?  | |||
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"To make this clear Yes i know all 27 countries have veto's over countries joining the EU The point i am making is there has never been a Spanish veto on an independent Scotland that democratically voted Yes to independence That is all made up bullshit from unionists to put fear into people The Spanish veto your all happy to talk about is with Gibraltar thats it the EU made that clear as hell! and made unionists look like fools for that Spanish veto myth on Scottish independence Then you have the MEP from Spain's ruling party say Spain will not again NOT veto an independent Scotland Now unionists are coming up with more pish saying the game has now changed and the Spanish veto is back on again to threaten Scotland with a veto all because of the Catalan and Spain issue sick as fuck!!! If Scotland does vote yes to independence and meets all criteria to be in the EU as a member state what are people on here saying they really want Spain to veto Scotland being in the EU all because on the Catalan /Spain issue ? That is piss poor " How could Spain veto a country that isn't independent and hasn't applied to join yet? They can't. | |||
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"To make this clear Yes i know all 27 countries have veto's over countries joining the EU The point i am making is there has never been a Spanish veto on an independent Scotland that democratically voted Yes to independence That is all made up bullshit from unionists to put fear into people The Spanish veto your all happy to talk about is with Gibraltar thats it the EU made that clear as hell! and made unionists look like fools for that Spanish veto myth on Scottish independence Then you have the MEP from Spain's ruling party say Spain will not again NOT veto an independent Scotland Now unionists are coming up with more pish saying the game has now changed and the Spanish veto is back on again to threaten Scotland with a veto all because of the Catalan and Spain issue sick as fuck!!! If Scotland does vote yes to independence and meets all criteria to be in the EU as a member state what are people on here saying they really want Spain to veto Scotland being in the EU all because on the Catalan /Spain issue ? That is piss poor How could Spain veto a country that isn't independent and hasn't applied to join yet? They can't. " Oh god Look above i said say ''If Scotland does vote yes to independence and meets all criteria to be in the EU as a member state what are people on here saying they really want Spain to veto Scotland being in the EU all because on the Catalan /Spain issue'' So CLCC if Scotland did democratically vote Yes to independence and meet ALL criteria to be a EU member state what reason would you say countries would have to veto Scotland being in the EU eh ? The one i am mostly seeing its people think its more than acceptable for Spain to through their weight around and veto an independent Scotland to punish Scotland all because of the Catalan /Spanish that is not a valid reason thats piss poor Also yet again you all need to see there is no Spanish veto on an independent Scotland being in the EU Spain have ruled that out that is coming from the MEP from the ruling party in Spain the real Spanish veto you love talking about is with Gibraltar prove me wrong ? Were you all not listening to the EU or something | |||
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This is purely speculation.
I find it incredible that you can speculate with 100% confidence and when an opponent speculates, you deem it to be "bullshit" and to "put fear" into people.
On the contrary, I would see it as looking at the situation and weighing up the possibility that things may or may not go the way that you or I may wish.
It would be completely irresponsible not to look at the negative consequences of our actions, rather than focus on the "everything will be ok" because that's what we want it to be.
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"To make this clear Yes i know all 27 countries have veto's over countries joining the EU The point i am making is there has never been a Spanish veto on an independent Scotland that democratically voted Yes to independence That is all made up bullshit from unionists to put fear into people The Spanish veto your all happy to talk about is with Gibraltar thats it the EU made that clear as hell! and made unionists look like fools for that Spanish veto myth on Scottish independence Then you have the MEP from Spain's ruling party say Spain will not again NOT veto an independent Scotland Now unionists are coming up with more pish saying the game has now changed and the Spanish veto is back on again to threaten Scotland with a veto all because of the Catalan and Spain issue sick as fuck!!! If Scotland does vote yes to independence and meets all criteria to be in the EU as a member state what are people on here saying they really want Spain to veto Scotland being in the EU all because on the Catalan /Spain issue ? That is piss poor How could Spain veto a country that isn't independent and hasn't applied to join yet? They can't. Oh god Look above i said say ''If Scotland does vote yes to independence and meets all criteria to be in the EU as a member state what are people on here saying they really want Spain to veto Scotland being in the EU all because on the Catalan /Spain issue'' So CLCC if Scotland did democratically vote Yes to independence and meet ALL criteria to be a EU member state what reason would you say countries would have to veto Scotland being in the EU eh ? The one i am mostly seeing its people think its more than acceptable for Spain to through their weight around and veto an independent Scotland to punish Scotland all because of the Catalan /Spanish that is not a valid reason thats piss poor Also yet again you all need to see there is no Spanish veto on an independent Scotland being in the EU Spain have ruled that out that is coming from the MEP from the ruling party in Spain the real Spanish veto you love talking about is with Gibraltar prove me wrong ? Were you all not listening to the EU or something " You said "The point i am making is there has never been a Spanish veto on an independent Scotland that democratically voted Yes to independence..." No of course there hasn't, because Scotland isn't independent, and hasn't applied to join. Until Scotland applies, there is nothing to veto! No country as ever vetoed North Korea from joining the EU, but it they applied, they would be vetoed. | |||
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"Before i go and start to wrap presents here is a question If Scotland were to be an independent country and it meets every single criteria to become a EU member state can any of you give me a valid reason why you think any of the 27 EU member states would love to veto Scotland being in the EU ? I will not accept anything on the Catalan /Spanish issue as a valid reason is that has nothing to do with Scotland" The countries can veto it for whatever reason they want. You saying "I will not accept it" makes no fucking difference at all! And why just focus on Spain? There are 27 member states that might veto it, or it might even be a tiny part of Belgium who veto it. By the time Scotland votes to leave, leaves, meets the criteria, and applies for membership, they may even be more countries in the EU. I think that would take at least 10-15 years. | |||
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"Ps I’m not saying they are doing it to punish Scotland. Just Scotland would be collateral damage from their own political battles. Right or wrong I can see this as being believable. I’m struggling to see why you can’t see it being a possibility regardless of if it’s fair or not. Ok lets try this did the EU confirm there is no Spanish veto on an independent Scotland being in the EU and the Spanish veto is with Gibralter YES or NO ? i haven’t seen this so can’t answer. Please provide a source if YES. . https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/spain-drops-plan-to-impose-veto-if-scotland-tries-to-join-eu https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/politics/spain-not-veto-independent-scotland-joining-eu-says-alfonso-dastis/amp/ Spain did ride back somewhat from its threat to veto an independent Scotland from joining the EU shortly after the BREXIT referendum, that's true. However that was before the Catalonian the illegal Catalonian referendum. The game has changed again since then and, if you can't see how Spain might see blocking an independent Scotland joining the EU is in its interests then you are simply blind to the reality of politics. The situation is further compounded by the totally irresponsible way in which many Scottish Nationalists have actually given moral and tacit support to the illegal way the Catalonian minority have actually gone about trying to subvert the legitimate and democratic Spanish state. Ah right so it's now all about punishing Scotland with the threat of a Spanish veto all because Catalonia may want to actually break away from Spain dictator ship Piss poor excuse as sick as fuck Also may I just point out something it's not just Scottish national ists that have given support to Catalonia the Welsh English Irish German Norway Finland the list goes on so please don't try and use that crap lol" You're living in a world divorced from reality Kinky. Spain will do what it thinks is in Spain's best interests and if it thinks vetoing an independent Scotland's entry into the EU is in Spain's best interests that is exactly what it will do. That doesn't mean it definitely will but it def | |||
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"Ps I’m not saying they are doing it to punish Scotland. Just Scotland would be collateral damage from their own political battles. Right or wrong I can see this as being believable. I’m struggling to see why you can’t see it being a possibility regardless of if it’s fair or not. Ok lets try this did the EU confirm there is no Spanish veto on an independent Scotland being in the EU and the Spanish veto is with Gibralter YES or NO ? i haven’t seen this so can’t answer. Please provide a source if YES. . https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/spain-drops-plan-to-impose-veto-if-scotland-tries-to-join-eu https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/politics/spain-not-veto-independent-scotland-joining-eu-says-alfonso-dastis/amp/ Spain did ride back somewhat from its threat to veto an independent Scotland from joining the EU shortly after the BREXIT referendum, that's true. However that was before the Catalonian the illegal Catalonian referendum. The game has changed again since then and, if you can't see how Spain might see blocking an independent Scotland joining the EU is in its interests then you are simply blind to the reality of politics. The situation is further compounded by the totally irresponsible way in which many Scottish Nationalists have actually given moral and tacit support to the illegal way the Catalonian minority have actually gone about trying to subvert the legitimate and democratic Spanish state. Ah right so it's now all about punishing Scotland with the threat of a Spanish veto all because Catalonia may want to actually break away from Spain dictator ship Piss poor excuse as sick as fuck Also may I just point out something it's not just Scottish national ists that have given support to Catalonia the Welsh English Irish German Norway Finland the list goes on so please don't try and use that crap lol" You're living in a world divorced from reality Kinky. Spain will do what it thinks is in Spain's best interests and if it thinks vetoing an independent Scotland's entry into the EU is in Spain's best interests that is exactly what it will do. That doesn't mean it definitely will but it definitely could and, IMHO, in the current political climate in Spain it probably would. | |||
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Before that question can be taken seriously,you have to do so.
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"Christ Dom, that looks straight out of the blood and soil nationalist handbook. Native, indigenous, the us and the them. Beware the überjock! " As opposed to four centuries of beware the uncle jocks on the make. And if you are blind to the abusive effects of centuries of cultural colonialism, you are well wrapped up in Stockholm Syndrome. If Westminster declares that the electoral qualifications for Brexit are acceptable and valid, they will surely want to see the same rules applied to Indyref 2, won't they? Hoist on a Britnat petard. But it is amusing to see Colonel Ruth and her bunch of sociopaths push labour into third place in Scotland, with one disastrous "leader" after another attempting to make the dead parrot branch office look appear vaguely relevant. Poor Keir Hardy, advocate of home rule and social justice, must be turning in his grave at the degenerate and poisonous state of the party which he founded. Comrade Darling got rewarded with his ten pieces of silver and a sinecure in the lords, so that's all right, jock. | |||
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"To make this clear Yes i know all 27 countries have veto's over countries joining the EU The point i am making is there has never been a Spanish veto on an independent Scotland that democratically voted Yes to independence That is all made up bullshit from unionists to put fear into people The Spanish veto your all happy to talk about is with Gibraltar thats it the EU made that clear as hell! and made unionists look like fools for that Spanish veto myth on Scottish independence Then you have the MEP from Spain's ruling party say Spain will not again NOT veto an independent Scotland Now unionists are coming up with more pish saying the game has now changed and the Spanish veto is back on again to threaten Scotland with a veto all because of the Catalan and Spain issue sick as fuck!!! If Scotland does vote yes to independence and meets all criteria to be in the EU as a member state what are people on here saying they really want Spain to veto Scotland being in the EU all because on the Catalan /Spain issue ? That is piss poor " Some may be saying they want Spain to veto it, I personally would not. However I think there is a good chance, for its own internal political reasons, that it would. | |||
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"Right all i got was alot of pish there Still waiting on a valid reason on why 27 EU member states would veto an independent Scotland that meets every single criteria to become a member state? So far only piss reason its to punish Scotland and threaten an independent Scotland with a Spanish veto all because Spain are not happy with Catalonia wanting to break away from Spain which has nothing to do with Scotland I honestly get it unionists are hanging in hope over Spain veto over Scotland to put fear into people When there has never been such a thing as a Spanish veto over an independent Scotland being in the EU it was all made up bullshit from unionists as they havent got a scooby doo how to kill off the independence movement so they are trying every little trick in the book Oh well the REAL Spanish veto is with Gibralter and you all know it " I think the bigger barrier is meeting the requirements. Most people on here have said that Spain (and all other member states) CAN veto, not that they WILL veto. However as per usual, you flip the fuck out when people point out constitutional arrangements. | |||
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"So i suppose Alfonso Dastis is wrong in when he clearly states '' Spain not veto independent Scotland joining the EU'' How clearer do you want it to get? lol That is from the MEP of the ruling party They know Scotland Catalonia are different issues thats why they had to come out and say they wouldnt veto Scotland because they know Scotland has a mandate to have a referendum and if Scotland democratically votes yes to independence and meets ALL criteria to be a EU member state then there is no valid reason to veto Scotland being in the EU and they know it " But you keep calling for Rajoy's party to be over thrown | |||
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"I’ve said it before. The Spanish veto wouldn’t be abiut Scotland. It would be about precedence and Catalonia. Reason number two. Pure speculation. But maybe one of them will veto due to concerns about border security. It’s a guess. An example. It’s taken me two seconds of thinking. But you asked so I thought I would entertain your question while the kettle is boiling. Scotland will be a unique case. Due to it being new with no fiscal or truly independent governmental history. Due it sharing a previously unmanned border with a non Eu country. Therefore if you say anything with certainty you’re being a tad naive imo. Hope for the best. Plan for the worst. " 1. Scotland has bugger all to do with the Catalan / Spain issue 2. I think after the Irish border abnd the UK government was all for giving N.Ireland a special deal well that shit is now out the window if its good enough for them then yeah same goes for an independent Scotland having no border with England blame the Tories for revealing that is alot of shite!!!! | |||
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"Haven't read the post so don't know if anyone has mentioned it but the poll was arranged by Wings and used a very specific wording that will influence the answer. The same poll also asked a simple balanced question "How would you vote in another Scottish independence referendum, Yes or No" The result was 58% No and 42% Yes Happy days "Ah so if its a poll by Wings over Scotland its not to be believed but oh no every poll is gospel lmao!!! | |||
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"Haven't read the post so don't know if anyone has mentioned it but the poll was arranged by Wings and used a very specific wording that will influence the answer. The same poll also asked a simple balanced question "How would you vote in another Scottish independence referendum, Yes or No" The result was 58% No and 42% Yes Happy days
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"Haven't read the post so don't know if anyone has mentioned it but the poll was arranged by Wings and used a very specific wording that will influence the answer. The same poll also asked a simple balanced question "How would you vote in another Scottish independence referendum, Yes or No" The result was 58% No and 42% Yes Happy days
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"But the ireland border needed a solution. The problem forced everyone’s hand. There’s no need to create a problem for Scotland. It’s solved by not accepting them into the EU. No concessions needed. " The Irish bordered proved once and for all that if N.Ireland was gonna get a special deal then like i said the Tories went and fucked up by showing that there is no need for a border with an independent Scotland and England like i said blame the Tories for exposing that | |||
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"But the ireland border needed a solution. The problem forced everyone’s hand. There’s no need to create a problem for Scotland. It’s solved by not accepting them into the EU. No concessions needed. The Irish bordered proved once and for all that if N.Ireland was gonna get a special deal then like i said the Tories went and fucked up by showing that there is no need for a border with an independent Scotland and England like i said blame the Tories for exposing that " So you won't mind at all if for example if Scotland has a 40% tariff on something, and the UK has a 0% tariff, goods being imported into the UK, and then driven across the border into Scotland with no taxes being paid to the Scottish Exchequer? Well thats very open minded of you, I'm sure many English firms and haulage companies will be glad of the extra trade. | |||
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"CLCC did the Tories not expose themselves by trying to avoid hard borders with Ireland/NI after Brexit ? So the UK government can never again tell Scotland that independence would mean a hard border between Scotland and England again blame the Tories for exposing that " The UK had to try and avoid a hard border between NI/Eire because of the Good Friday Agreement. There is no such agreement protecting England and Scotland's border. NI/Eire also had a long-standing free movement agreement that predated the EU. Again, Scotland/England don't have that. | |||
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"Again the Tories exposed themselves the minute tried to give N.Ireland a special deal Proved if it good enough for Ireland and N.Ireland to avoid hard borders after brexit then there is no damn reason why there should be a border with an independent Scotland in the EU and England You can pin the blame on the Tories for that one If it all ok for Rep of Ireland to be in the Eu and N.Ireland out of the Eu and no border then why oh why cant an independent Scotland in the EU have the very same no border between Scotland and England royally fucked up the Tories So no more of that bullshit please lol " So you can't admit the difference between NI/Eire and Scotland/England is 2 pre-existing treaties, so instead of reply and quote to my response, you just write a new post and ignore the facts entirely. Sad kinky, and it doesn't fool anyone. | |||
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" So you can't admit the difference between NI/Eire and Scotland/England is 2 pre-existing treaties, so instead of reply and quote to my response, you just write a new post and ignore the facts entirely. Sad kinky, and it doesn't fool anyone." The 58% No post seems to have been glossed over as well. Wonder why? | |||
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"CLCC Like i said if its good enough for the Tories to think they can pull this whole avoiding hard borders between a EU country and non EU country Then the same must and i repeat Must be the same in the event if Scotland voted for independence and was in the EU then no border with Scotland England you wanna blame someone blame the Tories for exposing that I know you hate it but thats what happens when you have the Tories in charge fucking it up and exposing shit that everyone else can see Whats next is people gonna go full on Trump and tell Scotland the Wall is going up again between Scotland and England and England is gonna make Scotland people pay for the wall lmao!!!!" No kinky, its not the same, because England/Scotland don't have the same pre-existing treaties that NI/Eire does. | |||
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"CLCC Like i said if its good enough for the Tories to think they can pull this whole avoiding hard borders between a EU country and non EU country Then the same must and i repeat Must be the same in the event if Scotland voted for independence and was in the EU then no border with Scotland England you wanna blame someone blame the Tories for exposing that I know you hate it but thats what happens when you have the Tories in charge fucking it up and exposing shit that everyone else can see Whats next is people gonna go full on Trump and tell Scotland the Wall is going up again between Scotland and England and England is gonna make Scotland people pay for the wall lmao!!!! No kinky, its not the same, because England/Scotland don't have the same pre-existing treaties that NI/Eire does. " Ok let me point this out the Rep of Ireland are in the EU and N.Ireland thanks to the UK government are going to be dragged out of the EU Now if the Tories want to give special treatment to N.Ireland so there is a no hard border in Ireland Now again in the event that Scotland votes for independence and is in the EU then the same rules apply that Scotland and England should have no hard border just like the Irish issue Blame the Tories for that they have exposed that there is no need for a border between Scotland and England | |||
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"Do these threads always go in circles? "Yup, unless you agree with kinky! We had 3 threads on the number of ships being built on the Clyde for the Royal Navy, just the number! Kinky couldn't bear that it was more than they thought. | |||
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"Once again the lack of knowledge displayed by Kinky is astounding, as new members have to sign up to being in the Schengen zone, this by itself would make a hard border (an EU Frontier Border) very likely. The remaining UK, with a land border with a country with a completely different immigration policy would consider it a necessity. In fact, almost a certainty, if one can be certain of anything. " And different tariff and customs arrangements. | |||
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"But the ireland border needed a solution. The problem forced everyone’s hand. There’s no need to create a problem for Scotland. It’s solved by not accepting them into the EU. No concessions needed. The Irish bordered proved once and for all that if N.Ireland was gonna get a special deal then like i said the Tories went and fucked up by showing that there is no need for a border with an independent Scotland and England like i said blame the Tories for exposing that " The Irish border is not solved yet. The only thing the Irish situation shows, so far, is that, if you don't want a physical hard border between two countries you have, at the very least, be in some sort of customs or regularity union. | |||
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"Don't you just find the obsession of the SNP to be just as bonkers as brexit? You can present reams of evidence to them and they dismiss it , pulling intellectual back flips to try and justify what amounts to a handful of magic beans." Independence is more like a religion than a political movement to some people. | |||
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"What next gonna go full Trump and demand hadrian's wall be build up again and then demand Scottish people pay for it lmao " The Scots couldn't afford it. In the case of an independent Scotland, they are nowhere near in a position to qualify for EU membership and don't have a strong enough economy to be a self sustaining state. Other than the Clyde ship yards (that will have to import steel), what else do they have? Tourism? Hardly a cash cow. Oil and Gas tax revenues? Diminishing. Can they even feed themselves or will that be more imports? | |||
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"I'm not sure you should judge the viability of a country based on the comments from the Telegraph newspaper. It's a rad more complicated than that. From my memory of the last debate about membership of the EU, no one actually knows the answer to that question. Smaller, less viable countries have joined and Scotland is already a member so lives under its direction, though not for long. However, by the time there's independence, perhaps most inhabitants won't want to join again. Who knows?" I didn't know the Telegraph had done an article. I don't usually read newspapers. But I will look it up | |||
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"I'm not sure you should judge the viability of a country based on the comments from the Telegraph newspaper. It's a rad more complicated than that. From my memory of the last debate about membership of the EU, no one actually knows the answer to that question. Smaller, less viable countries have joined and Scotland is already a member so lives under its direction, though not for long. However, by the time there's independence, perhaps most inhabitants won't want to join again. Who knows?" All of those other countries had independent central banks. Scotland doesn't. | |||
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"What next gonna go full Trump and demand hadrian's wall be build up again and then demand Scottish people pay for it lmao The Scots couldn't afford it. In the case of an independent Scotland, they are nowhere near in a position to qualify for EU membership and don't have a strong enough economy to be a self sustaining state. Other than the Clyde ship yards (that will have to import steel), what else do they have? Tourism? Hardly a cash cow. Oil and Gas tax revenues? Diminishing. Can they even feed themselves or will that be more imports? " Of all of the countries to have become independent since 1945, not one has gone back to their old state. Scotland stands at a huge advantage to many of these states and holds tremendous natural assets: oil/gas yes, but are also market leaders in wind/wave technology. Also, the food industry has a premium marque and is held in high esteem around the world. Along with leading universities in many areas of medical research, there is absolutely no doubt that Scotland could easily become a successful independent country. | |||
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"What next gonna go full Trump and demand hadrian's wall be build up again and then demand Scottish people pay for it lmao The Scots couldn't afford it. In the case of an independent Scotland, they are nowhere near in a position to qualify for EU membership and don't have a strong enough economy to be a self sustaining state. Other than the Clyde ship yards (that will have to import steel), what else do they have? Tourism? Hardly a cash cow. Oil and Gas tax revenues? Diminishing. Can they even feed themselves or will that be more imports? Of all of the countries to have become independent since 1945, not one has gone back to their old state. Scotland stands at a huge advantage to many of these states and holds tremendous natural assets: oil/gas yes, but are also market leaders in wind/wave technology. Also, the food industry has a premium marque and is held in high esteem around the world. Along with leading universities in many areas of medical research, there is absolutely no doubt that Scotland could easily become a successful independent country. " East Germany and Vietnam are 2 that I can think of off the top of my head. Others that I looked up include Malaysia, Tanzania, UAE, Yemen etc. | |||
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"What next gonna go full Trump and demand hadrian's wall be build up again and then demand Scottish people pay for it lmao The Scots couldn't afford it. In the case of an independent Scotland, they are nowhere near in a position to qualify for EU membership and don't have a strong enough economy to be a self sustaining state. Other than the Clyde ship yards (that will have to import steel), what else do they have? Tourism? Hardly a cash cow. Oil and Gas tax revenues? Diminishing. Can they even feed themselves or will that be more imports? Of all of the countries to have become independent since 1945, not one has gone back to their old state. Scotland stands at a huge advantage to many of these states and holds tremendous natural assets: oil/gas yes, but are also market leaders in wind/wave technology. Also, the food industry has a premium marque and is held in high esteem around the world. Along with leading universities in many areas of medical research, there is absolutely no doubt that Scotland could easily become a successful independent country. " The oil and gas reserves aren't huge. That's the problem. The only premium food marques are salmon and whisky. But premium means expensive and an independent Scotland will need to provide food for 5 million people at an economically sustainable price. You are right about the universities pulling in business but I'm not convinced the turnovers involved will be huge. | |||
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"What next gonna go full Trump and demand hadrian's wall be build up again and then demand Scottish people pay for it lmao The Scots couldn't afford it. In the case of an independent Scotland, they are nowhere near in a position to qualify for EU membership and don't have a strong enough economy to be a self sustaining state. Other than the Clyde ship yards (that will have to import steel), what else do they have? Tourism? Hardly a cash cow. Oil and Gas tax revenues? Diminishing. Can they even feed themselves or will that be more imports? Of all of the countries to have become independent since 1945, not one has gone back to their old state. Scotland stands at a huge advantage to many of these states and holds tremendous natural assets: oil/gas yes, but are also market leaders in wind/wave technology. Also, the food industry has a premium marque and is held in high esteem around the world. Along with leading universities in many areas of medical research, there is absolutely no doubt that Scotland could easily become a successful independent country. The oil and gas reserves aren't huge. That's the problem. The only premium food marques are salmon and whisky. But premium means expensive and an independent Scotland will need to provide food for 5 million people at an economically sustainable price. You are right about the universities pulling in business but I'm not convinced the turnovers involved will be huge." North sea oil and gas was a net drain on the treasury last year. | |||
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"What next gonna go full Trump and demand hadrian's wall be build up again and then demand Scottish people pay for it lmao The Scots couldn't afford it. In the case of an independent Scotland, they are nowhere near in a position to qualify for EU membership and don't have a strong enough economy to be a self sustaining state. Other than the Clyde ship yards (that will have to import steel), what else do they have? Tourism? Hardly a cash cow. Oil and Gas tax revenues? Diminishing. Can they even feed themselves or will that be more imports? Of all of the countries to have become independent since 1945, not one has gone back to their old state. Scotland stands at a huge advantage to many of these states and holds tremendous natural assets: oil/gas yes, but are also market leaders in wind/wave technology. Also, the food industry has a premium marque and is held in high esteem around the world. Along with leading universities in many areas of medical research, there is absolutely no doubt that Scotland could easily become a successful independent country. " Forgot about the renewables. They aren't built in Scotland and are owned by the power companies. There would be some tax revenues from that I assume? | |||
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"Of course it has a veto, all existing members states have a veto on new members joining. If anyone tells you any different, you can look them in the eye and with confidence, say that they are lying. This might help: https://europa.eu/european-union/topics/enlargement_en Ok in your opinion what reason has Spain got to veto an independent Scotland ? Unionists are living in hope with the Spain veto crap but if you notice it's only ever Spain that unionists bring up lol So question is if Scotland democractically voted YES to Independence in a legally binding referendum like the 2014 one and also meet all criteria to being the EU why would anyone could EU member state veto Scotland ? Please no more of that sad shitty excuse about it's cause of the Catalan and Spain issue give valid reasons" Not reading all the thread because you kinky dont accept facts... If a new country didn't meet the criteria to join the EU then a member state probably wouldn't need to use its veto because the new country probably wouldn't be joining to start with FFS 
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"It would fail the financial entry tests for a start. 2nd point, Spain has said they would use their veto in the European Parliament to block any attempt by an independent Scotland to join the EU. So who with any authority said that A high ranking member of the Spanish government said it on BBC Newsnight during the Scottish Indy ref. A lot of high ranking ppl said a lot during scots indy ref the majority of what was said has turned out to be lies and remember try not to beleive everything you here or read from pro union ppl " Like Alex Salmond stating he had a letter from the EU saying Scotland would be fastraked for full EU membership. After several YOU requests he addmitted it was a complete lie. Lying was not confined to one campaign. | |||
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"All of those other countries had independent central banks. Scotland doesn't." Of course Scotland doesn't have an independent bank. Neither had Slovakia, Czech Rebublic, Croatia, Slovenia etc, when they were part of a country and some of them are not nearly as wealthy as Scotland. Perhaps they were admitted because they are on or near an East-West border?Are you saying that Scotland has less to offer than those new countries? Scotland is a country already and has been for more than a thousand years. | |||
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"All of those other countries had independent central banks. Scotland doesn't. Of course Scotland doesn't have an independent bank. Neither had Slovakia, Czech Rebublic, Croatia, Slovenia etc, when they were part of a country and some of them are not nearly as wealthy as Scotland. Perhaps they were admitted because they are on or near an East-West border?Are you saying that Scotland has less to offer than those new countries? Scotland is a country already and has been for more than a thousand years." Are you trying to say that those countries didn't have a central bank when they joined the EU? | |||
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"I wonder if Scotland would keep free health care if independent? It would also have to pay to look after it's fair share of refugees. And you can see how popular that is with smaller countries like Hungary at the moment. " What share is that exactly? Stop writing bullshit and spreading lies. There is no forcing of refugees on countries from the EU. | |||
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"All of those other countries had independent central banks. Scotland doesn't. Of course Scotland doesn't have an independent bank. Neither had Slovakia, Czech Rebublic, Croatia, Slovenia etc, when they were part of a country and some of them are not nearly as wealthy as Scotland. Perhaps they were admitted because they are on or near an East-West border?Are you saying that Scotland has less to offer than those new countries? Scotland is a country already and has been for more than a thousand years." Oh Scotland could certainly exist as an independent country. But it will be as poor as a poor thing. The young will look to leave to find work. | |||
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"All of those other countries had independent central banks. Scotland doesn't. Of course Scotland doesn't have an independent bank. Neither had Slovakia, Czech Rebublic, Croatia, Slovenia etc, when they were part of a country and some of them are not nearly as wealthy as Scotland. Perhaps they were admitted because they are on or near an East-West border?Are you saying that Scotland has less to offer than those new countries? Scotland is a country already and has been for more than a thousand years. Are you trying to say that those countries didn't have a central bank when they joined the EU? " Please read my post more carefully. I'm saying exactly what I wrote. | |||
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"Yes we would keep the NHS as is. The truth is we do not rely on the rest of the U. K to fund us. That is a media lie and is infact the other way around. " What is the Barnet formula all about then? | |||
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"Oh Scotland could certainly exist as an independent country. But it will be as poor as a poor thing. The young will look to leave to find work. " It's a mobile world. The young from everywhere move for work. I'd guess the taxes would be higher but the overall money within the country would be about the same. Talking to Scots about this, they point to Iceland and its economic turn around, to many of the other small new countries in the UK- all things are possible. And Scotland has a lot more income than any of them. | |||
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