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over a year ago
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After all the tooing and froing in parliament regarding a “fixed date” on any brexit bill....or any defined “transition” period....it seems the EU has now stepped in.
Announcement today that the transition period will end and we will be fully exited by 31 December 2020.
Michel Barnier speaking live in Brussels now.
Seems to have saved Maybot the trouble of balancing wether or not to put a date on any bills. |
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"After all the tooing and froing in parliament regarding a “fixed date” on any brexit bill....or any defined “transition” period....it seems the EU has now stepped in.
Announcement today that the transition period will end and we will be fully exited by 31 December 2020.
Michel Barnier speaking live in Brussels now.
Seems to have saved Maybot the trouble of balancing wether or not to put a date on any bills."
The EU's own rules on article 50 state a 2 year exit process once it's triggered anyway.
Tory rebels and remainers can try to delay Brexit but they are only postponing the inevitable by a few months, the EU want to get Brexit dealt with in a timely manner they don't want it dragging on and on for years (they have other things to attend to) seems Barnier and the EU have done Theresa May a favour this morning. |
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"31st December 2020 is when the EU tells us to leave.  "
EU rules on article 50 were already set from the start, so our real exit date is March 2019. We set that date by triggering article 50 in March 2017. From March 2019 to December 2020 is less than a 2 year transition period. 
Brexiters in the cabinet like Liam Fox and Boris Johnson wanted a 2 year transition period (or less) while remainers in the cabinet like Philip Hammond and Amber Rudd wanted a 5 year transition period. I imagine Brexiters in the cabinet will be very happy with the EU's rough 2 year transition timeframe, Remainers in the cabinet like Hammond and Rudd won't be happy about it. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"31st December 2020 is when the EU tells us to leave.
EU rules on article 50 were already set from the start, so our real exit date is March 2019. We set that date by triggering article 50 in March 2017. From March 2019 to December 2020 is less than a 2 year transition period.
Brexiters in the cabinet like Liam Fox and Boris Johnson wanted a 2 year transition period (or less) while remainers in the cabinet like Philip Hammond and Amber Rudd wanted a 5 year transition period. I imagine Brexiters in the cabinet will be very happy with the EU's rough 2 year transition timeframe, Remainers in the cabinet like Hammond and Rudd won't be happy about it. "
Yet you are happy that the EU is setting the terms and in the drivers seat! |
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"31st December 2020 is when the EU tells us to leave.
EU rules on article 50 were already set from the start, so our real exit date is March 2019. We set that date by triggering article 50 in March 2017. From March 2019 to December 2020 is less than a 2 year transition period.
Brexiters in the cabinet like Liam Fox and Boris Johnson wanted a 2 year transition period (or less) while remainers in the cabinet like Philip Hammond and Amber Rudd wanted a 5 year transition period. I imagine Brexiters in the cabinet will be very happy with the EU's rough 2 year transition timeframe, Remainers in the cabinet like Hammond and Rudd won't be happy about it.
Yet you are happy that the EU is setting the terms and in the drivers seat!"
I want to get out of the EU as soon as possible. If the EU want to have a transition period of less than 2 years then that's okay by me.
This will also give clarity to businesses both here in the UK and in the EU. I think it's positive news. What about you, do you think it's positive? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"31st December 2020 is when the EU tells us to leave.
EU rules on article 50 were already set from the start, so our real exit date is March 2019. We set that date by triggering article 50 in March 2017. From March 2019 to December 2020 is less than a 2 year transition period.
Brexiters in the cabinet like Liam Fox and Boris Johnson wanted a 2 year transition period (or less) while remainers in the cabinet like Philip Hammond and Amber Rudd wanted a 5 year transition period. I imagine Brexiters in the cabinet will be very happy with the EU's rough 2 year transition timeframe, Remainers in the cabinet like Hammond and Rudd won't be happy about it.
Yet you are happy that the EU is setting the terms and in the drivers seat!
I want to get out of the EU as soon as possible. If the EU want to have a transition period of less than 2 years then that's okay by me.
This will also give clarity to businesses both here in the UK and in the EU. I think it's positive news. What about you, do you think it's positive? "
So you wont be cracking open that champagne on the 29th of March 2019 then |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"31st December 2020 is when the EU tells us to leave.
EU rules on article 50 were already set from the start, so our real exit date is March 2019. We set that date by triggering article 50 in March 2017. From March 2019 to December 2020 is less than a 2 year transition period.
Brexiters in the cabinet like Liam Fox and Boris Johnson wanted a 2 year transition period (or less) while remainers in the cabinet like Philip Hammond and Amber Rudd wanted a 5 year transition period. I imagine Brexiters in the cabinet will be very happy with the EU's rough 2 year transition timeframe, Remainers in the cabinet like Hammond and Rudd won't be happy about it.
Yet you are happy that the EU is setting the terms and in the drivers seat!
I want to get out of the EU as soon as possible. If the EU want to have a transition period of less than 2 years then that's okay by me.
This will also give clarity to businesses both here in the UK and in the EU. I think it's positive news. What about you, do you think it's positive? "
So you are OK with the EU setting the terms? That seems fairly unprincipled of you given your previous posts. |
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"31st December 2020 is when the EU tells us to leave.
EU rules on article 50 were already set from the start, so our real exit date is March 2019. We set that date by triggering article 50 in March 2017. From March 2019 to December 2020 is less than a 2 year transition period.
Brexiters in the cabinet like Liam Fox and Boris Johnson wanted a 2 year transition period (or less) while remainers in the cabinet like Philip Hammond and Amber Rudd wanted a 5 year transition period. I imagine Brexiters in the cabinet will be very happy with the EU's rough 2 year transition timeframe, Remainers in the cabinet like Hammond and Rudd won't be happy about it.
Yet you are happy that the EU is setting the terms and in the drivers seat!
I want to get out of the EU as soon as possible. If the EU want to have a transition period of less than 2 years then that's okay by me.
This will also give clarity to businesses both here in the UK and in the EU. I think it's positive news. What about you, do you think it's positive?
So you wont be cracking open that champagne on the 29th of March 2019 then "
Not champagne as I'm not that keen on it but I'll be having a celebratory beer or 2 in March 2019 as that is an Important milestone and will be the end of the article 50 period. Then begins the transition period (which the EU has said will be less than 2 years) so I'll be having some more celebratory beers at the end of the transition in December 2020. |
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"31st December 2020 is when the EU tells us to leave.
EU rules on article 50 were already set from the start, so our real exit date is March 2019. We set that date by triggering article 50 in March 2017. From March 2019 to December 2020 is less than a 2 year transition period.
Brexiters in the cabinet like Liam Fox and Boris Johnson wanted a 2 year transition period (or less) while remainers in the cabinet like Philip Hammond and Amber Rudd wanted a 5 year transition period. I imagine Brexiters in the cabinet will be very happy with the EU's rough 2 year transition timeframe, Remainers in the cabinet like Hammond and Rudd won't be happy about it.
Yet you are happy that the EU is setting the terms and in the drivers seat!
I want to get out of the EU as soon as possible. If the EU want to have a transition period of less than 2 years then that's okay by me.
This will also give clarity to businesses both here in the UK and in the EU. I think it's positive news. What about you, do you think it's positive?
So you are OK with the EU setting the terms? That seems fairly unprincipled of you given your previous posts."
Do you think today's news is positive? |
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"At least we know now. Now Ffs can we put an and to endless squabbles between Remainers and Leavers please . What's done is done  well said it's a fucking joke on here now "
But they're still at it  |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"At least we know now. Now Ffs can we put an and to endless squabbles between Remainers and Leavers please . What's done is done well said it's a fucking joke on here now  "
Like the Anti-EU brigade were silent before the referendum? |
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The concept of creating a law, as May did, with a final date, would have been enough to get most people sacked for Incompetence. They have wasted too much time focusing on unimportant side show issues, letting themselves be ever more likely to get to the 11th hour, like last time, without suitable progress or having a watertight conclusion. It's beyond farcical |
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"The concept of creating a law, as May did, with a final date, would have been enough to get most people sacked for Incompetence. They have wasted too much time focusing on unimportant side show issues, letting themselves be ever more likely to get to the 11th hour, like last time, without suitable progress or having a watertight conclusion. It's beyond farcical "
The EU always leaves important decisions to the 59th minute of the 11th hour as David Davis has said on many occasions. He was proved right with the conclusion of phase 1 of the negotiations. Phase 2 will be the same things will be agreed close to the deadline. It's just the way the EU does its business. |
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if 'proved right' means aquiesce to everything that was asked in the first instance then why the fuck do these pathetic idiot brextremists waste all this fucking time just fucking about kicking stamping bitching and wailing instead of just agreeing to everything in the first place ... fucking childish brextemist drama clowns |
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"if 'proved right' means aquiesce to everything that was asked in the first instance then why the fuck do these pathetic idiot brextremists waste all this fucking time just fucking about kicking stamping bitching and wailing instead of just agreeing to everything in the first place ... fucking childish brextemist drama clowns "
Nice rant but the UK didn't agree to everything the EU asked for in phase 1.
On the divorce bill the newspapers reported that EU sources stated they wanted a £100 billion divorce bill. Did the UK 'just agree to it'? No the UK went through our EU commitments line by line and an official divorce bill of between £35 billion and £39 billion has now been agreed.
On citizens rights and the future role of the ECJ in the UK the EU wanted the ECJ to have a continuous ongoing role in Britain after Brexit. Did we 'just agree to it'? No the UK has negotiated agreement that the UK Supreme court will now be the final court in Britain after Brexit. The ECJ will be reduced to a referral court where the UK Supreme court can voluntarily decide to refer cases to the ECJ if the UK supreme court so wishes. If any cases are voluntarily referred to the ECJ then any ECJ rulings will only be advisory for the UK Supreme court to take into consideration. Ultimately the UK supreme court gets to make the final decisions now after Brexit. Furthermore this set up is strictly time limited for 8 years after our exit date from the EU. When those 8 years are up the ECJ won't even be available for referral anymore, the ECJ will be banished from the UK for good.
Lastly on the Irish border. The EU said at the start the Irish border had to be settled separate from trade talks. The UK said the Irish border could not be settled on its own as a separate issue and had to be addressed in parallel with trade talks. In the last week before the phase 1 agreement happened it became clear the Irish border could not be settled on its own as a separate issue. The EU conceded to the UK's viewpoint and has now agreed Irish border talks will take place in parallel with trade talks in phase 2.
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Nice rant but the UK didn't agree to everything the EU asked for in phase 1.
On the divorce bill the newspapers reported that EU sources stated they wanted a £100 billion divorce bill. Did the UK 'just agree to it'? No the UK went through our EU commitments line by line and an official divorce bill of between £35 billion and £39 billion has now been agreed.
On citizens rights and the future role of the ECJ in the UK the EU wanted the ECJ to have a continuous ongoing role in Britain after Brexit. Did we 'just agree to it'? No the UK has negotiated agreement that the UK Supreme court will now be the final court in Britain after Brexit. The ECJ will be reduced to a referral court where the UK Supreme court can voluntarily decide to refer cases to the ECJ if the UK supreme court so wishes. If any cases are voluntarily referred to the ECJ then any ECJ rulings will only be advisory for the UK Supreme court to take into consideration. Ultimately the UK supreme court gets to make the final decisions now after Brexit. Furthermore this set up is strictly time limited for 8 years after our exit date from the EU. When those 8 years are up the ECJ won't even be available for referral anymore, the ECJ will be banished from the UK for good.
Lastly on the Irish border. The EU said at the start the Irish border had to be settled separate from trade talks. The UK said the Irish border could not be settled on its own as a separate issue and had to be addressed in parallel with trade talks. In the last week before the phase 1 agreement happened it became clear the Irish border could not be settled on its own as a separate issue. The EU conceded to the UK's viewpoint and has now agreed Irish border talks will take place in parallel with trade talks in phase 2.
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revisionist claptrap ... all of it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"if 'proved right' means aquiesce to everything that was asked in the first instance then why the fuck do these pathetic idiot brextremists waste all this fucking time just fucking about kicking stamping bitching and wailing instead of just agreeing to everything in the first place ... fucking childish brextemist drama clowns
Nice rant but the UK didn't agree to everything the EU asked for in phase 1.
On the divorce bill the newspapers reported that EU sources stated they wanted a £100 billion divorce bill. Did the UK 'just agree to it'? No the UK went through our EU commitments line by line and an official divorce bill of between £35 billion and £39 billion has now been agreed.
On citizens rights and the future role of the ECJ in the UK the EU wanted the ECJ to have a continuous ongoing role in Britain after Brexit. Did we 'just agree to it'? No the UK has negotiated agreement that the UK Supreme court will now be the final court in Britain after Brexit. The ECJ will be reduced to a referral court where the UK Supreme court can voluntarily decide to refer cases to the ECJ if the UK supreme court so wishes. If any cases are voluntarily referred to the ECJ then any ECJ rulings will only be advisory for the UK Supreme court to take into consideration. Ultimately the UK supreme court gets to make the final decisions now after Brexit. Furthermore this set up is strictly time limited for 8 years after our exit date from the EU. When those 8 years are up the ECJ won't even be available for referral anymore, the ECJ will be banished from the UK for good.
Lastly on the Irish border. The EU said at the start the Irish border had to be settled separate from trade talks. The UK said the Irish border could not be settled on its own as a separate issue and had to be addressed in parallel with trade talks. In the last week before the phase 1 agreement happened it became clear the Irish border could not be settled on its own as a separate issue. The EU conceded to the UK's viewpoint and has now agreed Irish border talks will take place in parallel with trade talks in phase 2.
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Thats your idea of brexit...not a reality  |
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Nice rant but the UK didn't agree to everything the EU asked for in phase 1.
On the divorce bill the newspapers reported that EU sources stated they wanted a £100 billion divorce bill. Did the UK 'just agree to it'? No the UK went through our EU commitments line by line and an official divorce bill of between £35 billion and £39 billion has now been agreed.
On citizens rights and the future role of the ECJ in the UK the EU wanted the ECJ to have a continuous ongoing role in Britain after Brexit. Did we 'just agree to it'? No the UK has negotiated agreement that the UK Supreme court will now be the final court in Britain after Brexit. The ECJ will be reduced to a referral court where the UK Supreme court can voluntarily decide to refer cases to the ECJ if the UK supreme court so wishes. If any cases are voluntarily referred to the ECJ then any ECJ rulings will only be advisory for the UK Supreme court to take into consideration. Ultimately the UK supreme court gets to make the final decisions now after Brexit. Furthermore this set up is strictly time limited for 8 years after our exit date from the EU. When those 8 years are up the ECJ won't even be available for referral anymore, the ECJ will be banished from the UK for good.
Lastly on the Irish border. The EU said at the start the Irish border had to be settled separate from trade talks. The UK said the Irish border could not be settled on its own as a separate issue and had to be addressed in parallel with trade talks. In the last week before the phase 1 agreement happened it became clear the Irish border could not be settled on its own as a separate issue. The EU conceded to the UK's viewpoint and has now agreed Irish border talks will take place in parallel with trade talks in phase 2.
revisionist claptrap ... all of it"
No a factual account of what happened in phase 1 of the negotiations. |
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"if 'proved right' means aquiesce to everything that was asked in the first instance then why the fuck do these pathetic idiot brextremists waste all this fucking time just fucking about kicking stamping bitching and wailing instead of just agreeing to everything in the first place ... fucking childish brextemist drama clowns
Nice rant but the UK didn't agree to everything the EU asked for in phase 1.
On the divorce bill the newspapers reported that EU sources stated they wanted a £100 billion divorce bill. Did the UK 'just agree to it'? No the UK went through our EU commitments line by line and an official divorce bill of between £35 billion and £39 billion has now been agreed.
On citizens rights and the future role of the ECJ in the UK the EU wanted the ECJ to have a continuous ongoing role in Britain after Brexit. Did we 'just agree to it'? No the UK has negotiated agreement that the UK Supreme court will now be the final court in Britain after Brexit. The ECJ will be reduced to a referral court where the UK Supreme court can voluntarily decide to refer cases to the ECJ if the UK supreme court so wishes. If any cases are voluntarily referred to the ECJ then any ECJ rulings will only be advisory for the UK Supreme court to take into consideration. Ultimately the UK supreme court gets to make the final decisions now after Brexit. Furthermore this set up is strictly time limited for 8 years after our exit date from the EU. When those 8 years are up the ECJ won't even be available for referral anymore, the ECJ will be banished from the UK for good.
Lastly on the Irish border. The EU said at the start the Irish border had to be settled separate from trade talks. The UK said the Irish border could not be settled on its own as a separate issue and had to be addressed in parallel with trade talks. In the last week before the phase 1 agreement happened it became clear the Irish border could not be settled on its own as a separate issue. The EU conceded to the UK's viewpoint and has now agreed Irish border talks will take place in parallel with trade talks in phase 2.
Thats your idea of brexit...not a reality "
It is reality. It's what the UK and the EU both agreed together with the phase 1 agreement. |
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No a factual account of what happened in phase 1 of the negotiations. "
the only facts are that there is no facts at all in your rant ... just brextremist revisionist nonsense |
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"Centaur, how long have you been experiencing this current break from reality? I'm just wondering if this a temporary psychotic episode, or part of an on-going problem? "
What part of what I wrote was false in your opinion then? You don't give any examples. |
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No a factual account of what happened in phase 1 of the negotiations.
the only facts are that there is no facts at all in your rant ... just brextremist revisionist nonsense "
Have you even bothered to read the phase 1 agreement between the UK and the EU. If you read it then you'll see everything I said is true. |
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"I'm sure Centaur and the government said we'd pay the EU fuck all AND have the EU begging US for a FTA, how is that going Centaur ?"
I said we'd pay the EU fuck all in the event of a no deal scenario and that is still the uk government position. As for a FTA that is to be negotiated now in phase 2 of the talks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Have you even bothered to read the phase 1 agreement between the UK and the EU. If you read it then you'll see everything I said is true. "
all you've written is abject lies |
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"I'm sure Centaur and the government said we'd pay the EU fuck all AND have the EU begging US for a FTA, how is that going Centaur ?
I said we'd pay the EU fuck all in the event of a no deal scenario and that is still the uk government position. As for a FTA that is to be negotiated now in phase 2 of the talks. "
More lies from the kipper do you not understand that we can all see through your lies and bullshit |
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No a factual account of what happened in phase 1 of the negotiations.
the only facts are that there is no facts at all in your rant ... just brextremist revisionist nonsense
Have you even bothered to read the phase 1 agreement between the UK and the EU. If you read it then you'll see everything I said is true. "
wrong..
more bullshit from you..
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Centaur, your ducking the question of the paradox of an open border and no regulatory changes between NI and the mainland and the swivel eyed loons desire to not be in the SM and CU..?
any thoughts how that may work? |
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