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should the daily mail be charged with some form of incitement......
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
conversation being had at work... i think the daily mail are being truely reckless with their front page after the vote last night.... and more than one of the people who had their picture blasted on under the headline "traitors" has apparently had death threats in the last 24 hrs...
so after what we know that looneys can do... jo cox springs to mind... I am all for responsible journalism but that was really irresponsible in my opinion....
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They are regularly being sued for slander and libel and it does seem to do little to temper their bile, maybe making someone responsible as per the law of the land is a way forward..
hate filled irresponsible drivel has no place being called 'journalism'.. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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The Press in this country should be more accountable. That said, I remember after Pricess Diana’s death they came under scrutiny and again after the phone hacking issue there was an enquiry. Ultimately, nothing happens of sufficient gravity to make any difference.
If the Mail can get away with putting Judges on the front page and calling them enemies of the people; putting a few MP’s on the cover and calling them “malcontents” is tame by comparison.
Having said that, I do agree with you. This kind of thing legitimises extreme hatred and hostility and could easily be seen as “enabling” by some. I was monitoring the Theresa May in Brussels story on the BBC news website this morning and the BBC eventually pulled the comments because at least every third comment was venomous to the point of suggesting that...
“They (the Tory rebel’s) had signed their own death warrants”
“The people will deliver justice to the traitors”
“No surprise that people feel compelled to violence”
And many, many more along the same lines.
It was a truly alarming thing to see and more do when foreign contributors dared to put a point of view. |
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Well the Hate Mail has plenty of form for this. Its throwing a tantrum because its not getting exactly what it wants.
Ita infantile and irresponsible and they shouldnbe called to account if theres any press standards. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
I think that the tax dodging owners of the Mail will have a lot to lose when the pan European tax assimilation system arrives. There will be no hiding place in any European country for anyone with unbalanced assets and bank accounts.
That is a fairly big motivation for the Mail to mobilise it’s army of patriots. |
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I'd like to think that this odious media purveyor could be changed with much more serious crimes. Their actions in this instance are abhorrent - they know that hatred has been stirred up and caused threats and murder.
Casual browsing of this sub-forum even shows people frothing and swivel eyed, just from brecxit radicalization, to the point that they appear like a sickening stain on society, with indifference to the sufferings of others. Strangely hard to grasp but greater harm can exist in the wider world, individuals being enraged to commit evil acts. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Well the Hate Mail has plenty of form for this. Its throwing a tantrum because its not getting exactly what it wants.
Ita infantile and irresponsible and they shouldnbe called to account if theres any press standards."
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Hmmm a tantrum hey for not getting exactly what they want?.
Sounds familiar  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A tantrum followed by the spewing of hate towards a certain section of society because they have a different opinion?.
Lord the hypocrisy of the public really makes me chuckle at time  |
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simple answer OP...
Yep!
The idea that a 'newspaper' can say or do pretty much anything because it is part of the 4th estate is ridiculous. When they inflame volatile situations and incite violence they should be prosecuted and at a very minimum loose all income (that is every penny of cover value sales plus all advertising revenue from from the issue that breaks the law). |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"I think that the tax dodging owners of the Mail will have a lot to lose when the pan European tax assimilation system arrives. There will be no hiding place in any European country for anyone with unbalanced assets and bank accounts.
That is a fairly big motivation for the Mail to mobilise it’s army of patriots. "
Interestingly Paul Dacre has personally earned £500000 in farm subsidies since 2011.
Just saying. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Me personally think it’s not just The Mail but as long as the reporting is accurate why not do we not have the right to know and you’ll always get the idiots morons whatever you want to call them sending death threats or similar it’s them that needs stoping not the reporting |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
Back on topic, the sad reality is that the press is giving people what they want. Government allows it when it's convenient.
It tells us more about our society than the company's feeding their need to be angry and to hate and to blame.
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The Mail is like trump, it has a core audience and it appeals to that audience.
As this audience is the "string em up the scum " type it's simply using their language back to them.
Should they be prosecuted? I'd like to see it, they have no concept about social responsibility and frankly,I'd rather shit in my hands and clap than put any money their way. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Me personally think it’s not just The Mail but as long as the reporting is accurate why not do we not have the right to know and you’ll always get the idiots morons whatever you want to call them sending death threats or similar it’s them that needs stoping not the reporting "
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Because we've moved into this bizarre second wave of responsibility where it's no longer the individuals fault but the collectives, it's Borg mentality |
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What I find disgusting about the Mail is that on consecutive days they can attack social media for inciting hatred and then then claim MP's are traitors and should be hanged for voting in a way they disapprove of. Of course it is not just MP's though, they have called judges, lawyers, teachers, doctors and nurses all traitors too. In fact demanding that people who refuse to knuckle down and accept their views are either executed, jailed for life or expelled from the country is their default position. This from a pair of tax dodging liars who have zero respect for either this country or its laws is frankly disgusting. Personally I would say they are not fit and proper people to control a media outlet and should have their media licences stripped from them forcing the Mail to be sold to a fit person or organisation or forcing it out of business.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Everyone get wound up and irate which it is obvious it’s down to personal perspective nothing else all the tabloids do the same it just depends who’s view you take nothing more nothing less I don’t think I ever have read a paper from the easy reading of The Sun or The Mirror to the middle class of The Mail right up to the broadsheets they all have a political leaning and so an agenda so if we can complain about the mail in realism we can complain about them all |
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"I don’t think I ever have read a paper from the easy reading of The Sun or The Mirror to the middle class of The Mail right up to the broadsheets they all have a political leaning and so an agenda so if we can complain about the mail in realism we can complain about them all"
I agree, and I think all papers should be forced to act responsibly or face severe sanctions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The mail could ask for lynchings in the street from lamp posts and their readers would cheer and bay for blood.That paper has blood on its hands.It incites racial hatred and violence.I blame the filth that buys it as they are complicit. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"The mail could ask for lynchings in the street from lamp posts and their readers would cheer and bay for blood.That paper has blood on its hands.It incites racial hatred and violence.I blame the filth that buys it as they are complicit."
I saw a comment on either the Mail or Sun's website saying something like 'They should be publicly hanged' and 'they should have their hands cut off'. It was obviously a regular poster as the comment in reply said something like 'As someone who is so anti-Islam from your previous comments, you sure seem to like borrowing a lot of their ideas from Sharia law'. Made me chuckle.
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"Everyone get wound up and irate which it is obvious it’s down to personal perspective nothing else all the tabloids do the same it just depends who’s view you take nothing more nothing less I don’t think I ever have read a paper from the easy reading of The Sun or The Mirror to the middle class of The Mail right up to the broadsheets they all have a political leaning and so an agenda so if we can complain about the mail in realism we can complain about them all"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The mail could ask for lynchings in the street from lamp posts and their readers would cheer and bay for blood.That paper has blood on its hands.It incites racial hatred and violence.I blame the filth that buys it as they are complicit.
 I have known many a mail reader from all walks of life, colour, creed & religion and filth is not what I’d call them I think you need to get out of FAB mode re-read the question research a little and put your brains where they belong not where the obviously are now "
The editorial stance of a newspaper is a reflection of what its readership wants to hear.
You may think mail readers are perfectly lovely people, the mail itself shows otherwise. |
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"I don’t think I ever have read a paper from the easy reading of The Sun or The Mirror to the middle class of The Mail right up to the broadsheets they all have a political leaning and so an agenda so if we can complain about the mail in realism we can complain about them all
I agree, and I think all papers should be forced to act responsibly or face severe sanctions. "
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"Everyone get wound up and irate which it is obvious it’s down to personal perspective nothing else all the tabloids do the same it just depends who’s view you take nothing more nothing less I don’t think I ever have read a paper from the easy reading of The Sun or The Mirror to the middle class of The Mail right up to the broadsheets they all have a political leaning and so an agenda so if we can complain about the mail in realism we can complain about them all"
That attitude is one of the problems we have today. This bullshit attitude of "everyone is just as bad" when it isnt true at all.
Pick the Mail and the Guardian and show me how theyre equally as bad?
Has the Guardian called judges or any other British civil servant "enemies of the state"?
Has the Guardian, in the year since an MP was murdered by a Brexiter extremist, called any MPs traitors to their country?
Has The Guardian published (on average) a front page headline decrying foreigners twice a week for 5 years?
Has the Guardian blamed Autism on women being in the workplace instead of at home?
Is The Guardian the leading paper for news complaints or successful lible lawsuits? |
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"I would prefer to see consumer action, rather than legal action. "
The Daily Mail's circulation figures are down significantly since last year. A lot of Consecutive voters are very much against BREXIT and even some more reasonable BREXITers were horrified at the 'enemy of the people' attack on the supreme court judges.
Personally I'm not in favour of sorting this issue out by legislation. I believe this would probably cause more problems than it solves. We just have to keep on putting the arguments and facts as best we can. |
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"Everyone get wound up and irate which it is obvious it’s down to personal perspective nothing else all the tabloids do the same it just depends who’s view you take nothing more nothing less I don’t think I ever have read a paper from the easy reading of The Sun or The Mirror to the middle class of The Mail right up to the broadsheets they all have a political leaning and so an agenda so if we can complain about the mail in realism we can complain about them all"
I agree with you partly but it's not just the Mail's political bias that's the problem. The Telegraph has a similar bias but most people are not calling for any action against it. The problem with the Mail is not that it is politically biased, as you say, they all are; the problem is, is the Mail deliberately inciting hatred or possibly even violence? |
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"I don’t think I ever have read a paper from the easy reading of The Sun or The Mirror to the middle class of The Mail right up to the broadsheets they all have a political leaning and so an agenda so if we can complain about the mail in realism we can complain about them all
I agree, and I think all papers should be forced to act responsibly or face severe sanctions. "
Bur who decides what acting responsibly actually is. Is it acting responsibility to call Tories 'scum'? Is not that phrase designed to insight hatred? |
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Dacre will always run his words past the lawyers to ensure they are legal even if the are appalling so I would not go down the prosecution path. I sure as hell would encourage anyone to exercise consumer power by not buying that rag and by politely asking any advertiser that claims the moral high ground (I'm looking at you, Co-Op) to refrain from giving that rag any money. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The mail is not perfect, but it courageously openly named the killers of Stephen Lawrence, when other papers wouldn't dare, aiding in there eventual conviction for murder, when the police had failed him miserably, allowing the thugs to go free. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"One MP, John Stevenson, voted both ways, so effectively abstained.
Interestingly, two Labour MPs, Frank Field and Kate Hoey defied their party whip and voted with the Goverment.
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Surely voting twice is not allowed / illegal?
Also since voting in the commons means “walking through the lobbies”.....which are separate from each other.... I’m not sure how he could do that? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"One MP, John Stevenson, voted both ways, so effectively abstained.
Interestingly, two Labour MPs, Frank Field and Kate Hoey defied their party whip and voted with the Goverment.
Surely voting twice is not allowed / illegal?
Also since voting in the commons means “walking through the lobbies”.....which are separate from each other.... I’m not sure how he could do that?"
I believe that is the way that vote abstentions are done in the Commons.
Not turning up to vote would show up on your voting record,although the result would be the same. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"One MP, John Stevenson, voted both ways, so effectively abstained.
Interestingly, two Labour MPs, Frank Field and Kate Hoey defied their party whip and voted with the Goverment.
Surely voting twice is not allowed / illegal?
Also since voting in the commons means “walking through the lobbies”.....which are separate from each other.... I’m not sure how he could do that?
I believe that is the way that vote abstentions are done in the Commons.
Not turning up to vote would show up on your voting record,although the result would be the same."
No, you can't vote both ways.
European Union (Withdrawal) Bill — Clause 9 — Regulations to Implement Withdrawal Agreement — Report on Reciprocal Healthcare Agreements — Veto for Devolved Administrations
Division number 70 in the House of Commons on 13 December 2017.
In the above mentioned vote, he voted against. You can see is voting record on They Work For You.
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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago
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Tantrums tantrums tantrums! - how about buying a copy of the newpaper which offends you the most and tearing it into tiny pieces, throwing it to the floor and stamping on it in your fake leather sandals? ..... Problem solved
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Tantrums tantrums tantrums! - how about buying a copy of the newpaper which offends you the most and tearing it into tiny pieces, throwing it to the floor and stamping on it in your fake leather sandals? ..... Problem solved
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Looks like another right winger trying to shutdown debate! |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Tantrums tantrums tantrums! - how about buying a copy of the newpaper which offends you the most and tearing it into tiny pieces, throwing it to the floor and stamping on it in your fake leather sandals? ..... Problem solved
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Who cares what any newspaper says they are all crap as far as I sm concerned,people here read some silly article and is it agrees with there opinion they put it her(you brexiters no who you are)papers are only for entertainment |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Tantrums tantrums tantrums! - how about buying a copy of the newpaper which offends you the most and tearing it into tiny pieces, throwing it to the floor and stamping on it in your fake leather sandals? ..... Problem solved
Looks like another right winger trying to shutdown debate! "
You left wingers do not want a debate you want to impose your views on others and are never interested in constructed dis cussion or democracy |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Tantrums tantrums tantrums! - how about buying a copy of the newpaper which offends you the most and tearing it into tiny pieces, throwing it to the floor and stamping on it in your fake leather sandals? ..... Problem solved
Who cares what any newspaper says they are all crap as far as I sm concerned,people here read some silly article and is it agrees with there opinion they put it her(you brexiters no who you are)papers are only for entertainment"
Yeah, those darn Brexiters! |
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"One MP, John Stevenson, voted both ways, so effectively abstained.
Interestingly, two Labour MPs, Frank Field and Kate Hoey defied their party whip and voted with the Goverment.
Surely voting twice is not allowed / illegal?
Also since voting in the commons means “walking through the lobbies”.....which are separate from each other.... I’m not sure how he could do that?"
They didn't vote twice, they voted once, with the government and against the opposition whip. Whilst I don't agree with their argument for voting against the amendment I respect their absolute right to vote in the way they believe to be in the best interests of their constituents and the country. If the rest of parliament did their duty and voted for what they truly believed to be the best interests of their constituents and the country we could have this whole BREXIT thing binned and thrown out in less than a week. |
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"The mail is not perfect, but it courageously openly named the killers of Stephen Lawrence, when other papers wouldn't dare, aiding in there eventual conviction for murder, when the police had failed him miserably, allowing the thugs to go free. "
Doesnt it say a lot that everyone kmows the ONE good thing that papers done in the last 30 years?
Its the only thing that keeps people saying its been 100% a blight on society. |
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"The mail is not perfect, but it courageously openly named the killers of Stephen Lawrence, when other papers wouldn't dare, aiding in there eventual conviction for murder, when the police had failed him miserably, allowing the thugs to go free.
Doesnt it say a lot that everyone kmows the ONE good thing that papers done in the last 30 years?
Its the only thing that keeps people saying its been 100% a blight on society."
To be fair, if you're not left of centre, then up until 10 years ago or so, you probably didn't really think it was so bad. It's only really been in the last 10 years or so that I've found it quite as screechy and full of vitriol as it seems to be now. For a long time it's been further right of where I stand but, for a long time also, I considered it for news content probably the best of all the tabloids, and in fact, compared to The Sun, Star, Mirror or even the Express, it still is.
I'm really not sure how we can move forward with this one. Maybe if we all stopped attacking the press just because it doesn't say what we want to hear and saved our attacks for when they really do step over a line like calling people traitors or enemies of the people for simply doing there duty and job, the criticism might carry more wait?
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"Tantrums tantrums tantrums! - how about buying a copy of the newpaper which offends you the most and tearing it into tiny pieces, throwing it to the floor and stamping on it in your fake leather sandals? ..... Problem solved
Looks like another right winger trying to shutdown debate! You left wingers do not want a debate you want to impose your views on others and are never interested in constructed dis cussion or democracy"
On the BREXITY issue I'd say it's the right wing neo-nationalist who are the ones who won't debate, our hell bent on imposing their views on all, have no real interest in any constructive discussion on the issues, even to the extend they feel it's right to try and intimidate Parliament and MPs from doing their duty and job, which is to discuss it and scrutinise it and then do what they believe to be best for country.
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"Tantrums tantrums tantrums! - how about buying a copy of the newpaper which offends you the most and tearing it into tiny pieces, throwing it to the floor and stamping on it in your fake leather sandals? ..... Problem solved
Looks like another right winger trying to shutdown debate! You left wingers do not want a debate you want to impose your views on others and are never interested in constructed dis cussion or democracy"
I'm get notes of irony, a brief aftertaste of stupidity and big dollops the Daily Mail ( best read in the style of a wine review) |
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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago
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"Tantrums tantrums tantrums! - how about buying a copy of the newpaper which offends you the most and tearing it into tiny pieces, throwing it to the floor and stamping on it in your fake leather sandals? ..... Problem solved
Looks like another right winger trying to shutdown debate! "
That's funny, I didn't mention a specific newspaper - perhaps you made a personal association with wearing fake leather sandals and took offence? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Tantrums tantrums tantrums! - how about buying a copy of the newpaper which offends you the most and tearing it into tiny pieces, throwing it to the floor and stamping on it in your fake leather sandals? ..... Problem solved
Looks like another right winger trying to shutdown debate!
That's funny, I didn't mention a specific newspaper - perhaps you made a personal association with wearing fake leather sandals and took offence? "
I didn't mention a paper either, maybe you should try reading the posts you quote. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The Mail is like trump, it has a core audience and it appeals to that audience.
As this audience is the "string em up the scum " type it's simply using their language back to them.
Should they be prosecuted? I'd like to see it, they have no concept about social responsibility and frankly,I'd rather shit in my hands and clap than put any money their way."
Correct!
If people are stupid enough to buy it,
You get the papers you deserve. |
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