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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"The government loses key brexit bill vote after tory rebellion, jeremy corbyn said the defeat was "a humiliating loss of authority" for may  "
I think that tonight we have seen the brakes applied to the thundering juggernaut of a hard Brexit ideology. Like a supertanker - the effects will not be felt immediately but the first bit of braking has now been applied and Parliament is coming to its senses.
What is the betting now on an EU exit and a Norway deal - well at least until the bill for the Norway deal is announced anyway. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The government loses key brexit bill vote after tory rebellion, jeremy corbyn said the defeat was "a humiliating loss of authority" for may "
I'm not sure that it is quite that.
It was always going to be impossible to deliver Brexit because it is different things to all the people who voted for it and the other half of the population don't want it anyway.
It doesn't help that nobody trusts the government to keep it's promises. Not even MPs! They'll only accept legislation. |
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"The government loses key brexit bill vote after tory rebellion, jeremy corbyn said the defeat was "a humiliating loss of authority" for may "
The title of your thread is wrong OP. The Brexit bill (EU withdrawal bill) hasn't been defeated it's just had an ammendment added to it. The Tory MP Dominic Grieve who tabled the ammendment said that it was never about stopping Brexit, so Brexit is still going to happen. Parliament will have a vote on the final deal with the EU and that is it. That is all this ammendment has achieved. |
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"The government loses key brexit bill vote after tory rebellion, jeremy corbyn said the defeat was "a humiliating loss of authority" for may
The title of your thread is wrong OP. The Brexit bill (EU withdrawal bill) hasn't been defeated it's just had an ammendment added to it. The Tory MP Dominic Grieve who tabled the ammendment said that it was never about stopping Brexit, so Brexit is still going to happen. Parliament will have a vote on the final deal with the EU and that is it. That is all this ammendment has achieved. "
you are aware that this amendment gives Parliament the means to vote the final bill down till such a time they are happy yes?
not in the hands of the swivel eyed loons and dithering Davies any more, this amendment will whether you like it or not (and i reckon your spitting feathers  ) change how the negotiations continue.. |
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over a year ago
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The “political experts” have said that it gives parliament the right to send May back to the EU to “renegotiate” the exit terms if they don’t like it.
But that could mean that if the EU then say no...they won’t renegotiate (which seems the most likely) then we simply leave with no deal.
The amendment (like many laws/rules etc) could have tge unintended consequence of giving a very hard Brexit.......let’s hope not! |
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"Any intervention only increases the risk of no deal being reached and no deal means very hard Brexit..."
I'm not so sure
So let's not forget the Irish border
It's written in stone there cannot be one
Thus the UK cannot have a situation where this may occur
Thus the Eu is in rather a strong position as we and it know it was
Thus the UK must maintain alignment regulatory and trade agreement wise
Thus if the cliff edge and world trade rules were close that is not permitted or an option thus the UK will have to take whatever the Eu offers
Thus full passport rights full free trade deal full free movement (else other countries will kick off ) and a fee to be paid and the icing no ducking seat at the Eu table to decide it's regulations
If the UK tries not to be subservient and take the Eu crumbs . The Eu will say ok enjoy your world trade rules and building your border across Ireland , oh sorry you made a gentleman's agreement you would not do that , well take what we offer or you will have to 're think that one
Did anyone mention either
No big deal ? Or clusterfuck?
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It's good that this has been amended as it somewhat loosens the grip that a small number of incompetent and dangerous politicians would have continued to have upon the populations future prosperity - or lack of.
Negotiations have been catastrophic so far - you'd be forgiven for thinking that the conservatives want the hardest brexit possible and have just been going through the pretence of wanting the best deal. The government should be held to greater scrutiny and account, with parliament given stronger control over the swivel eyed lot. |
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"It's good that this has been amended as it somewhat loosens the grip that a small number of incompetent and dangerous politicians would have continued to have upon the populations future prosperity - or lack of.
Negotiations have been catastrophic so far - you'd be forgiven for thinking that the conservatives want the hardest brexit possible and have just been going through the pretence of wanting the best deal. The government should be held to greater scrutiny and account, with parliament given stronger control over the swivel eyed lot."
Indeed , as some seem so obsessed with the flawed concept of majority and democracy let it be noted that in parliament the majority who indeed were voted for democratically are opposed to brexit let alone a so called hard one x |
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"The government loses key brexit bill vote after tory rebellion, jeremy corbyn said the defeat was "a humiliating loss of authority" for may
The title of your thread is wrong OP. The Brexit bill (EU withdrawal bill) hasn't been defeated it's just had an ammendment added to it. The Tory MP Dominic Grieve who tabled the ammendment said that it was never about stopping Brexit, so Brexit is still going to happen. Parliament will have a vote on the final deal with the EU and that is it. That is all this ammendment has achieved.
you are aware that this amendment gives Parliament the means to vote the final bill down till such a time they are happy yes?
not in the hands of the swivel eyed loons and dithering Davies any more, this amendment will whether you like it or not (and i reckon your spitting feathers ) change how the negotiations continue.."
A vote on the final deal will now happen in Parliament. The Tory rebels who voted for this ammendment including Dominic Grieve who tabled the ammendment said in the House of Commons today they would not use the ammendment to stop Brexit. I watched the whole thing today on the BBC Parliament channel. I've no doubt when it comes down to it those Tory rebels will vote with the government on the final deal (that is what they pretty much said today during the debate). |
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"The government loses key brexit bill vote after tory rebellion, jeremy corbyn said the defeat was "a humiliating loss of authority" for may
The title of your thread is wrong OP. The Brexit bill (EU withdrawal bill) hasn't been defeated it's just had an ammendment added to it. The Tory MP Dominic Grieve who tabled the ammendment said that it was never about stopping Brexit, so Brexit is still going to happen. Parliament will have a vote on the final deal with the EU and that is it. That is all this ammendment has achieved.
you are aware that this amendment gives Parliament the means to vote the final bill down till such a time they are happy yes?
not in the hands of the swivel eyed loons and dithering Davies any more, this amendment will whether you like it or not (and i reckon your spitting feathers ) change how the negotiations continue..
A vote on the final deal will now happen in Parliament. The Tory rebels who voted for this ammendment including Dominic Grieve who tabled the ammendment said in the House of Commons today they would not use the ammendment to stop Brexit. I watched the whole thing today on the BBC Parliament channel. I've no doubt when it comes down to it those Tory rebels will vote with the government on the final deal (that is what they pretty much said today during the debate). "
There speaks the kipper who thinks he knows everything and tells everyone what’s going to happen and when
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"The government loses key brexit bill vote after tory rebellion, jeremy corbyn said the defeat was "a humiliating loss of authority" for may "
Corbin tries to claim a “victory” but neither he nor his party had the bottle to table such an amendment...for fear of being labelled “anti-brexit”. They had to wait for a “rebel” Tory to do it.
The problem being that Labour are probably more divided on the issue than Tories...but being in opposition it is less public....they are simply keeping quiet and hoping no-one notices.
Thankfully we have Tory rebels who can stand up for parliamentary oversight. |
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"The government loses key brexit bill vote after tory rebellion, jeremy corbyn said the defeat was "a humiliating loss of authority" for may
Corbin tries to claim a “victory” but neither he nor his party had the bottle to table such an amendment...for fear of being labelled “anti-brexit”. They had to wait for a “rebel” Tory to do it.
The problem being that Labour are probably more divided on the issue than Tories...but being in opposition it is less public....they are simply keeping quiet and hoping no-one notices.
Thankfully we have Tory rebels who can stand up for parliamentary oversight."
He didnt claim a victory for himself or even the Labour party....he CLAIMED it was a victory for democracy...haters will always hate...  |
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Corbin tries to claim a “victory” but neither he nor his party had the bottle to table such an amendment...for fear of being labelled “anti-brexit”. They had to wait for a “rebel” Tory to do it.
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A bit harsh. It was common knowledge that Grieve would table this amendment. Why would Labour do their own?
I haven't seen Corbyn call it a 'victory'. But perhaps I've missed some quotes.
And really, it's hard to see why anyone would get cross with Labour for not having a strong Brexit position, given that there isn't a really good option to pick at this point.
Surely it's common sense, basic good tactics, to let the Tories be the focus and concentrate on their mistakes? |
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"Looks like the ridiculous deadline is also to be dropped as well. We were worried about hard brexit, we were relieved at the prospect of soft brexit, looks like we are going for floppy brexit
Looks like Centuar WONT be cracking open that champagne on March 29th at 11pm  "
Surprised he drinks it, it's foreign  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Looks like the ridiculous deadline is also to be dropped as well. We were worried about hard brexit, we were relieved at the prospect of soft brexit, looks like we are going for floppy brexit "
Unfortunately the best deal that we are going to get is a worse deal than we have now.
In professional and personal situations people find it incredibly difficult to change their minds regardless of the information presented and it appears that we will leave the EU regardless of the consequences.
I have never bought anything based on a promise of what it might be. We have though, as a country.
This "victory" just for the sake of national pride and an inability to see that "simply" leaving the EU is not so simple.
I, of course, am just being negative. If only everyone "got behind it" then it would actually stop being fiendishly intractable because of "positive" thinking.
The final Brexit deal we get will probably end up being the least bad option because that is where everyone's interest lies, but we will then have to endure years of Brexiteers saying that if only we'd had a hard (laughably sold as "clean") Brexit we'd have been sloppy much better off  |
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No good was ever going to come of brexit, but as alluded to above, people dig themselves into a position, and just be "anti" because they can be. We've reached the sick state where some are almost glorying in the pain they will cause others. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Looks like the ridiculous deadline is also to be dropped as well. We were worried about hard brexit, we were relieved at the prospect of soft brexit, looks like we are going for floppy brexit
Looks like Centuar WONT be cracking open that champagne on March 29th at 11pm
Surprised he drinks it, it's foreign "
Don't worry, I'm sure once we're away from those pesky foreigners we'll be able to call our own sparkling wine, Champagne, just to show them how much we hate... oh... wait....
-Matt |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"The final Brexit deal we get will probably end up being the least bad option because that is where everyone's interest lies, but we will then have to endure years of Brexiteers saying that if only we'd had a hard (laughably sold as "clean") Brexit we'd have been sloppy much better off "
Indeed. Any attempt at trying to stop this begin a complete and utter clusterfuck... or indeed any attempt to uphold our existing commitments on the Irish border are going to result in the Brexit lot whinging about tampering.
I've yet to think of anything I could put down on the cognitive dissonance thread... the only thing I can come up with is 'If we get the hardest brexit we can then at least the UKIPpers will shut up'. Of course, even then, they won't.
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"The government loses key brexit bill vote after tory rebellion, jeremy corbyn said the defeat was "a humiliating loss of authority" for may
Corbin tries to claim a “victory” but neither he nor his party had the bottle to table such an amendment...for fear of being labelled “anti-brexit”. They had to wait for a “rebel” Tory to do it.
The problem being that Labour are probably more divided on the issue than Tories...but being in opposition it is less public....they are simply keeping quiet and hoping no-one notices.
Thankfully we have Tory rebels who can stand up for parliamentary oversight."
Many Corbyn cultists have seen it as a victory for Corbyn and Labour on various social media platforms (even though it was a Tory ammendment). Let's face it they already have form for this with the general election (even though the cold hard reality is that they lost the general election). It really needs putting into context it's just one ammendment that has been added to the bill (so far the government has won over 30 ammendment votes on the EU withdrawal bill and over 30 ammendments have so far been rejected).
I agree with you that Labour's position on Brexit is a joke. Just last night on BBC Question Time the Labour lady MP on the panel took an absolute pasting from the audience over Labour's position on Brexit. You say Labour are just trying to keep quiet on Brexit and hope no one notices.....but the public have noticed and they are taking note of Labour's position (or lack of position) on it. |
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"The government loses key brexit bill vote after tory rebellion, jeremy corbyn said the defeat was "a humiliating loss of authority" for may
Corbin tries to claim a “victory” but neither he nor his party had the bottle to table such an amendment...for fear of being labelled “anti-brexit”. They had to wait for a “rebel” Tory to do it.
The problem being that Labour are probably more divided on the issue than Tories...but being in opposition it is less public....they are simply keeping quiet and hoping no-one notices.
Thankfully we have Tory rebels who can stand up for parliamentary oversight.
Many Corbyn cultists have seen it as a victory for Corbyn and Labour on various social media platforms (even though it was a Tory ammendment). Let's face it they already have form for this with the general election (even though the cold hard reality is that they lost the general election). It really needs putting into context it's just one ammendment that has been added to the bill (so far the government has won over 30 ammendment votes on the EU withdrawal bill and over 30 ammendments have so far been rejected).
I agree with you that Labour's position on Brexit is a joke. Just last night on BBC Question Time the Labour lady MP on the panel took an absolute pasting from the audience over Labour's position on Brexit. You say Labour are just trying to keep quiet on Brexit and hope no one notices.....but the public have noticed and they are taking note of Labour's position (or lack of position) on it. "
Did she hell take a pasting...your living in cuckoo land yet again...it was the conservative lady that did....and think about the Lord Winston words before you rejoice |
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"Looks like the ridiculous deadline is also to be dropped as well. We were worried about hard brexit, we were relieved at the prospect of soft brexit, looks like we are going for floppy brexit
Looks like Centuar WONT be cracking open that champagne on March 29th at 11pm
Surprised he drinks it, it's foreign
Don't worry, I'm sure once we're away from those pesky foreigners we'll be able to call our own sparkling wine, Champagne, just to show them how much we hate... oh... wait....
-Matt"
I thought The designations of origin are actually UN regulated? They certainly extend beyond the EU. Could be wrong but can’t be arsed checking. I’ve had enough of the whole sorry affair if I’m honest... |
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"The government loses key brexit bill vote after tory rebellion, jeremy corbyn said the defeat was "a humiliating loss of authority" for may
Corbin tries to claim a “victory” but neither he nor his party had the bottle to table such an amendment...for fear of being labelled “anti-brexit”. They had to wait for a “rebel” Tory to do it.
The problem being that Labour are probably more divided on the issue than Tories...but being in opposition it is less public....they are simply keeping quiet and hoping no-one notices.
Thankfully we have Tory rebels who can stand up for parliamentary oversight.
He didnt claim a victory for himself or even the Labour party....he CLAIMED it was a victory for democracy...haters will always hate... "
I don't hate Corbyn, I just don't agree with him on many issues. I also think that Corbyn and the Labour party are trying to pull the wool over the British people's eyes by being pretty obscure on the whole BRRXIT question. A bit of clarity from Labour would be beneficial at this time. |
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"The government loses key brexit bill vote after tory rebellion, jeremy corbyn said the defeat was "a humiliating loss of authority" for may
Corbin tries to claim a “victory” but neither he nor his party had the bottle to table such an amendment...for fear of being labelled “anti-brexit”. They had to wait for a “rebel” Tory to do it.
The problem being that Labour are probably more divided on the issue than Tories...but being in opposition it is less public....they are simply keeping quiet and hoping no-one notices.
Thankfully we have Tory rebels who can stand up for parliamentary oversight.
Many Corbyn cultists have seen it as a victory for Corbyn and Labour on various social media platforms (even though it was a Tory ammendment). Let's face it they already have form for this with the general election (even though the cold hard reality is that they lost the general election). It really needs putting into context it's just one ammendment that has been added to the bill (so far the government has won over 30 ammendment votes on the EU withdrawal bill and over 30 ammendments have so far been rejected).
I agree with you that Labour's position on Brexit is a joke. Just last night on BBC Question Time the Labour lady MP on the panel took an absolute pasting from the audience over Labour's position on Brexit. You say Labour are just trying to keep quiet on Brexit and hope no one notices.....but the public have noticed and they are taking note of Labour's position (or lack of position) on it.
Did she hell take a pasting...your living in cuckoo land yet again...it was the conservative lady that did....and think about the Lord Winston words before you rejoice "
I thought both initially received a pretty hard time from the angry, shouting BREXITers but, as the session went on, the ordinance seemed to come round and back them.
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I have to say the swivel eyed brexit brigade have outdone themselves...
I hear one of their number has threatened to kill the MP who drafted the amendment, signed his name, address and phone number to the threat and is now claiming that the police who have arrested him are traitors and should be hanged!  |
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"I think the govt should just hand all the Brexit negotiations over to you lot, my word, you have all the answers, plus a few of you seem to have crystal balls too... "
Well considering that the Torys have now given the EU more than they were asking for at the start of negotiations they could hardly be worse off.
Eu: We want sequenced talks and we want trade and future relationship in the 2nd part, we want you to pay all of your financial commitments, we want no border on the island of Ireland and we want the rights of EU citizens protected.
Tories: No f*cking chance, we're putting the GREAT back in Great Britain. All we'll give you is sequenced talks, trade and future relationship second, full payment on our commitments AND two extra years EU membership with full fees paid and we dont get a say in anything, we wont put a border back in Ireland AND we'll also commit to no border between N. Ireland and the UK AND Davis will force us to fasttrack it into law, and we'll guarantee citizen rights but thats it!!
Eu: And we want to publicly and officially reprimand your lead negotiator for being a dishonest twat
UK: Well we actually undermined the authority of our own government by letting him off the hook for something even worse....but ok, we think you've suffered enough in these negotiations. |
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"18 months on and the remaniacs still harp on about things ."
Whoa, we didn't cause this situation, leavers were told in simple terms the issues. They chose to ignore it, responding with jingoistic clap trap and out right lies.
So the remaniacs" are trying to sort out something vaguely achievable, prevent the disaster that's staring us in the face,all the while be sniped by the likes of the Daily Mail.
So I politely put it that YOU quitters stop moaning and be thankful that someone is trying to do the best for the country. |
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"I think the govt should just hand all the Brexit negotiations over to you lot, my word, you have all the answers, plus a few of you seem to have crystal balls too... "
Given that literally anyone who has enough sense to understand the problems with enacting brexit is better equipped to handle this than the keystone cunts in May's cabinet, you're more right than you intended to be with your pissy little dig. |
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"I think the govt should just hand all the Brexit negotiations over to you lot, my word, you have all the answers, plus a few of you seem to have crystal balls too... "
probably find the same in your local tbh, the bunch of incompetents we have in Government are just that and i also think that would be the case where Labour in power..
not sure that looking at the current crop of MP's across the green seats that there are more than couple of dozen of them that either stand out or appear half sensible.. |
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"18 months on and the remaniacs still harp on about things ."
well given some leavers have been whining about the Eu since the mid 70's its not really a long time at all is it..?
given the closeness of the decision and the mess that Davies seems to be making of things this will only run for a while..
enjoy.. |
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"I have to say the swivel eyed brexit brigade have outdone themselves...
I hear one of their number has threatened to kill the MP who drafted the amendment, signed his name, address and phone number to the threat and is now claiming that the police who have arrested him are traitors and should be hanged! "
No place for this in our democracy, the actions of the fuckwits should be publicly condemned by all in Government..
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"I think the govt should just hand all the Brexit negotiations over to you lot, my word, you have all the answers, plus a few of you seem to have crystal balls too...
Given that literally anyone who has enough sense to understand the problems with enacting brexit is better equipped to handle this than the keystone cunts in May's cabinet, you're more right than you intended to be with your pissy little dig."
Aww, did I touch a nerve buttercup? |
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"I think the govt should just hand all the Brexit negotiations over to you lot, my word, you have all the answers, plus a few of you seem to have crystal balls too...
Given that literally anyone who has enough sense to understand the problems with enacting brexit is better equipped to handle this than the keystone cunts in May's cabinet, you're more right than you intended to be with your pissy little dig.
Aww, did I touch a nerve buttercup?"
Not even if you tried. |
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The most appalling thing is the total lack of tolerance shown by SOME brexteers to anyone who has a different opinion to theirs! Yet they demand that their opinions be accepted by remainers. To actually threaten people - MP's because a news paper has "ok'd" it by inciting violence is NOT something to be proud of. In fact Hitler employed the same tactics in the 1930's and look what the world think of him! Nothing wrong in being proud of your country - but anyone with any decency cannot condone violence - Jo Cox's death should not be repeated! |
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"The most appalling thing is the total lack of tolerance shown by SOME brexteers to anyone who has a different opinion to theirs! Yet they demand that their opinions be accepted by remainers. To actually threaten people - MP's because a news paper has "ok'd" it by inciting violence is NOT something to be proud of. In fact Hitler employed the same tactics in the 1930's and look what the world think of him! Nothing wrong in being proud of your country - but anyone with any decency cannot condone violence - Jo Cox's death should not be repeated!"
the Sam can be said or SOME. remainers aswell iv been called a traitor and racist on here it's a joke on both sides everyone thinks there opinion is the right one So it just goes on and on
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"The most appalling thing is the total lack of tolerance shown by SOME brexteers to anyone who has a different opinion to theirs! Yet they demand that their opinions be accepted by remainers. To actually threaten people - MP's because a news paper has "ok'd" it by inciting violence is NOT something to be proud of. In fact Hitler employed the same tactics in the 1930's and look what the world think of him! Nothing wrong in being proud of your country - but anyone with any decency cannot condone violence - Jo Cox's death should not be repeated! the Sam can be said or SOME. remainers aswell iv been called a traitor and racist on here it's a joke on both sides everyone thinks there opinion is the right one So it just goes on and on "
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"The most appalling thing is the total lack of tolerance shown by SOME brexteers to anyone who has a different opinion to theirs! Yet they demand that their opinions be accepted by remainers. To actually threaten people - MP's because a news paper has "ok'd" it by inciting violence is NOT something to be proud of. In fact Hitler employed the same tactics in the 1930's and look what the world think of him! Nothing wrong in being proud of your country - but anyone with any decency cannot condone violence - Jo Cox's death should not be repeated!"
this..
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"The most appalling thing is the total lack of tolerance shown by SOME brexteers to anyone who has a different opinion to theirs! Yet they demand that their opinions be accepted by remainers. To actually threaten people - MP's because a news paper has "ok'd" it by inciting violence is NOT something to be proud of. In fact Hitler employed the same tactics in the 1930's and look what the world think of him! Nothing wrong in being proud of your country - but anyone with any decency cannot condone violence - Jo Cox's death should not be repeated!"
Why would anyone be surprised that the paper that supported Hitler, the Nazi's, Oswald Mosley and the brown shirts in the 1930's now supports and encourages violent race hate and xenophobia? |
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"18 months on and the remaniacs still harp on about things ."
The Brexit process is not for just some of the population, it is for all, irrespective of who voted for whatever. The intelligent thing that must happen is for the UK government to have their focus upon how to best use their resources to achieve this goal. This includes using the representative democracy system that the UK has, where politicians should be supported to use their expertise, conscience and local constituents wisdom to influence the post Brexit outcome.
The work only started after the vote, so it's no surprise that this most important period will attract attention from all sides.
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"The most appalling thing is the total lack of tolerance shown by SOME brexteers to anyone who has a different opinion to theirs! Yet they demand that their opinions be accepted by remainers. To actually threaten people - MP's because a news paper has "ok'd" it by inciting violence is NOT something to be proud of. In fact Hitler employed the same tactics in the 1930's and look what the world think of him! Nothing wrong in being proud of your country - but anyone with any decency cannot condone violence - Jo Cox's death should not be repeated! the Sam can be said or SOME. remainers aswell iv been called a traitor and racist on here it's a joke on both sides everyone thinks there opinion is the right one So it just goes on and on "
I am not condoning anything from either side, violence is NOT acceptable from whatever side. Our country has gone back 40yrs as far as decent society goes - it's not nice to see and nothing to be proud of. Shame on all those who promote it. |
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"The most appalling thing is the total lack of tolerance shown by SOME brexteers to anyone who has a different opinion to theirs! Yet they demand that their opinions be accepted by remainers. To actually threaten people - MP's because a news paper has "ok'd" it by inciting violence is NOT something to be proud of. In fact Hitler employed the same tactics in the 1930's and look what the world think of him! Nothing wrong in being proud of your country - but anyone with any decency cannot condone violence - Jo Cox's death should not be repeated!"
I think you can legitimately draw parallels between Hitler's propaganda and the mails anti immigrant propaganda.The cartoon the mail ran depicting rats(immigrants) running through customs and Hitler's similar cartoon depicting Jews as rats in Germany are disturbingly similar.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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I'd take a slightly different view on this.
The press can say what they like as long as it's factually incorrect.
However, the Government must defend the judiciary and the independence of MPs if it is politically expedient for themselves in the short term or not.
It's too important to let this time and sentiment rest without robust challenge. The strongest support for both the judiciary and Parliament should come from the side that lost in this situation. |
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Latest polling
Sample splits: Remain/Leave
Male: 57.5% - 42.5% (higher than other polls)
Female: 54:46
18-24: 76:24
35-54: 58:42
55+: 39:61
Con: 31:69
Lab- 72:28
Degree: 69:31
No quals: 38:62
FT/PT Job: 62:38
Self emp: 55:45
Student: 87:13
Out of work - 6m+: 43:57
Retired: 38:62
LT sick: 44:56 |
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"Latest polling
Sample splits: Remain/Leave
Male: 57.5% - 42.5% (higher than other polls)
Female: 54:46
18-24: 76:24
35-54: 58:42
55+: 39:61
Con: 31:69
Lab- 72:28
Degree: 69:31
No quals: 38:62
FT/PT Job: 62:38
Self emp: 55:45
Student: 87:13
Out of work - 6m+: 43:57
Retired: 38:62
LT sick: 44:56"
can you link or provide who did this? I can never fathom why it’s the labour strongholds that seem to be very brexit. But this poll suggests otherwise. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I'd take a slightly different view on this.
The press can say what they like as long as it's factually incorrect.
However, the Government must defend the judiciary and the independence of MPs if it is politically expedient for themselves in the short term or not.
It's too important to let this time and sentiment rest without robust challenge. The strongest support for both the judiciary and Parliament should come from the side that lost in this situation."
Oops. Factually correct* |
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"Latest polling
Sample splits: Remain/Leave
Male: 57.5% - 42.5% (higher than other polls)
Female: 54:46
18-24: 76:24
35-54: 58:42
55+: 39:61
Con: 31:69
Lab- 72:28
Degree: 69:31
No quals: 38:62
FT/PT Job: 62:38
Self emp: 55:45
Student: 87:13
Out of work - 6m+: 43:57
Retired: 38:62
LT sick: 44:56can you link or provide who did this? I can never fathom why it’s the labour strongholds that seem to be very brexit. But this poll suggests otherwise. "
BMG research from Faisal Islam on Twitter. |
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